Relay box to automatically turn on my dust collector

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MatthiasWandel

MatthiasWandel

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I needed to turn on a 120 volt dust collector whenever the 240 volt for my table saw was turned on. This relay box takes the 240 volt from the table saw to activate a relay to turn on a separate circuit.
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@dkbuilds
@dkbuilds 6 жыл бұрын
Matthias: the only woodworking youtuber good enough for me to make it through a circuit diagram explanation. Keep up the interesting content!
@Maclman1
@Maclman1 5 жыл бұрын
That phone charger use is incredibly clever. I've done stuff a little similar to this and would have never thought of that!
@PaulASmyers
@PaulASmyers 6 жыл бұрын
At first I was thinking it's kind of a bummer that the relay doesn't switch off immediately, but then watching the final product it actually is kind of nice to keep the dust collector running a few seconds after the saw. One last tidy up after the dust maker stops.
@KevinDay
@KevinDay 6 жыл бұрын
It's cool how using the phone charger has the side effect of leaving the dust collector on for a few seconds after the saw turns off. Since the relay provides very little load to the charger, the capacitors stay charged for a little while and will make sure to suck up as much dust as possible.
@TheBioRules
@TheBioRules 6 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why that was happening
@Cheese_1337
@Cheese_1337 6 жыл бұрын
yeah this seems like cool feature
@Engineer9736
@Engineer9736 6 жыл бұрын
The relay seems to stay on on it’s own for a bit already. See the 9v battery demo. But the phone charger seems to increase that time indeed.
@Cheese_1337
@Cheese_1337 6 жыл бұрын
Richard van Pukkem yeah, that is the behaviour of triac.
@presentdayjeff5790
@presentdayjeff5790 6 жыл бұрын
The phone charger probably has a smoothing capacitor in it, and the solid state relay control side likely has a very low current draw/very high resistance, like a FET gate. So it probably takes a few seconds to bleed off that capacitor’s charge down to the minimum turn-on voltage for the relay.
@bobuk5722
@bobuk5722 6 жыл бұрын
Yup, a european 'electrician' here. Power distribution systems differ wildly around the planet. This excellent channel has viewers around the planet. What may be safe in one country can be very dangerous in another. It's NOT just frequency and voltage that differs. Phasing and earthing (protective conductor) have critical differences. If you know what you are doing, and it's legal, fine. If not, get someoene in who does. This stuff can kill. I'm not commenting on US practice because I am not competent to do so. Don't go commenting on practice elsewhere if you don't understand it either. BobUK.
@budzillasohoski9858
@budzillasohoski9858 6 жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos. I like how you always think outside of the box but it also gives me a look into the future to see what John Heisz will be posting soon after or complaining about.
@wagsman9999
@wagsman9999 5 жыл бұрын
I love when an engineer tackles woodworking hurdles!
@joshuac1364
@joshuac1364 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome. This beats paying over 100 bucks for a 20 amp prefabbed version. Thanks for sharing all the details.
@Hubbmade
@Hubbmade 6 жыл бұрын
"I don't understand what just happened" -me after every Matthias video...
@alaawakil
@alaawakil 6 жыл бұрын
Hubbard's Handmade I usually head to Home Depot for solutions...
@vetle33
@vetle33 6 жыл бұрын
I was going to say that. haha
@MrOuchaoua
@MrOuchaoua 6 жыл бұрын
Relay box ..sometimes has 5 way to switch electricity ..for example when the electricity goes from A to b when the C is switch on but the electricity can change the path from D to E when the C is switch off..that's the job of the Relay box
@0815enigma
@0815enigma 6 жыл бұрын
I often don't understand what happens in his videos. I have none of his mashines I'm not thinking about getting one of those like ever. I'll probably never going to do anything even close to what he does in my life. But I still watch every video and enjoy it. Am I weird?
@MrOuchaoua
@MrOuchaoua 6 жыл бұрын
sometime we saw ..fighting films like bruce lee but we can't do any karaté technique..but we still enjoy the show ..it's looks like that ! not a weird ..human nature is curiosity !
@johnrichy2k6
@johnrichy2k6 6 жыл бұрын
As an electrician from the UK this made me want to cry... but it's functional I'll give you that so fair play !
@MrConminer
@MrConminer 6 жыл бұрын
johnrichy2k6 yeaaa the rules here in the europe are a bit different 😂
@beefchicken
@beefchicken 6 жыл бұрын
A Canadian electrician would be crying too. No need to develop a European superiority complex over it.
@hamzakamel2752
@hamzakamel2752 6 жыл бұрын
Beefchicken Industries I guess he isn't cuz he is from UK. As far as I know they have different protocols
@beefchicken
@beefchicken 6 жыл бұрын
Hamza Kamel thank you for stating the obvious. The European weenies’ argument is that their system is superior because their entire continent had to be rebuilt from scratch after they all attempted to murder each other in the 40’s. Or something like that.
@uhhhhh262
@uhhhhh262 6 жыл бұрын
Beefchicken Industries you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. Interesting insecurity you have there buddy
@djfaber
@djfaber 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that you can cut that diamond plate with a sawzall and have it come out so good speaks to your skills man.
@improprietary1
@improprietary1 6 жыл бұрын
Hang on won't that piece of aluminium fall off when you cut it like... ooooooh, clever.
@user93237
@user93237 6 жыл бұрын
What, that he clamped the side of it in the vice?
@nicolashrv
@nicolashrv 6 жыл бұрын
ya, would have been smarter to let the huge piece which weights 20 times more to fall down......even more to put his barefoot under, to amputate one or two fingers.
@billybobjoe198
@billybobjoe198 5 жыл бұрын
@@nicolashrv Feet don't have fingers
@LongLLY
@LongLLY 6 жыл бұрын
You are a very productive man Matthias, I probably would have just put a second switch next to the table saw power switch but you took it to the next level and I think that is really cool.
@CCross777
@CCross777 6 жыл бұрын
It’s always a great day when I see a notification for your videos!
@naniesuriani8313
@naniesuriani8313 6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Cross same here
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 6 жыл бұрын
If you wire an electrolytic capacitor across the low voltage side of the relay, you can get a time delay before it turns off, which will remove any dust still in the system. Make sure the voltage of the capacitor is higher than the LV supply, maybe start with a value around 500uF A simpler solution would have been a normal relay with a 240v coil
@ratchet1freak
@ratchet1freak 6 жыл бұрын
it already delays a few seconds for turn off. The USB power supply will have a built-in cap for output smoothing.
@Qlyon
@Qlyon 6 жыл бұрын
Sparky Projects the relay seems to be doing that anyway. The fan keeps running a bit after the table is turned off..
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 6 жыл бұрын
I know, but it's a suggestion for longer delay if he wants it.
@MrOuchaoua
@MrOuchaoua 6 жыл бұрын
i will buy relay box with inverter and batteries to make my own electricity when the public electricity will gone ..any idea or video ! (i need some advices)
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
Already has a delay. I wouldn't want it to be something like 10 seconds, because mentally, that would just be annoying.
@jackdehaan2267
@jackdehaan2267 6 жыл бұрын
Didn't understand 95% of this - but loved every second. Another great video.
@Iowa599
@Iowa599 Жыл бұрын
Now you need to build a delay circuit to keep the fan running for 30-60 seconds after the saw is shut off. Sometimes you are saying "ground", but what you want is "neutral", other times you do mean ground. Ground is not neutral, but nuetral is grounded. I wired mine so the table saw switch controls the vacuum. Much more ghetto, barely within the specifications of the switch that's 20 years old, but it works.
@sasjadevries
@sasjadevries 6 жыл бұрын
John Heisz did the same thing, but he put a diode bridge in series with the saw, and used the output of that to power the relay. But that was a 1 phase chopsaw. On one hand the american system looks cool in the way that you can choose between 120 and 240 volts. But Europe and post-USSR countries have 3 phases, and when taking any 2 you get 380 or 400 volts, that is in turn useful for high power devices. In the end I'd rather have the higher voltages, because I'd rather pay for some insulation (for the volts) than for additional copper(for the amps).
@libb3n
@libb3n 6 жыл бұрын
Matthias, can we get a tear down video of that electrical box and snarky review of all these comments for this video. I mean, I love watching your stuff and when you build it. But half the fun is also look for the COMMENT WARS. I love both sides actually. One can not exist without the other. Would love a snappy reply while you review your own electrial box in a tear down. Great work! Keep up being intresting!
@eeguy77
@eeguy77 6 жыл бұрын
AAAHHH so many exposed contacts squeezed in that box.. how about some electrical tape or shrink tubing to cover that up? Sorry, years of electrical engineering being forced to pass CE/UL testing. Also would love to know how hot that aluminum plate gets (and more importantly the relay itself). Not sure a solid plate with no radiating fins is sufficient for that if you happen to run your table saw for long periods of time (like your baseboard video).
@linuxthemoon
@linuxthemoon 6 жыл бұрын
Or at least earth the metal box, if not already earthed through the metal connections of the socket!
@Yootjoob
@Yootjoob 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah looks so scary, that bare copper wire on the phone adapter. One slip of the copper wire and its firework.
@adrianopetrich
@adrianopetrich 6 жыл бұрын
I came to the comments for something like that :)
@savirien4266
@savirien4266 6 жыл бұрын
he did ground the box, you can see that at 4:30
@ratchet1freak
@ratchet1freak 6 жыл бұрын
AF he did earth the metal box, look carefully at 4:43, he tied both incoming grounds directly to the box and continued through to the ground of the socket.
@ramosel
@ramosel 6 жыл бұрын
Be sure you understand the failure modes of an SSR : half wave (partial on) or on (full on). Half-wave can supply a less than desired output to your dust collector. No problem if the dust collector motor will handle a half-wave source. Big problems if it won't. Nice thing about mechanical relays is they generally fail off.
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
If it goes half wave, that would be a problem. It would quickly blow the thermal on the motor (and I know the motor has a thermal, because at some point I accidentally jammed the starter switch shut, and it cut power after about a minute)
@sasjadevries
@sasjadevries 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, why not use a mechanical relay? They pretty much can't fail on when running AC. And you can basically forget what has been said about half waves. This project doesn't benefit from click-less switching or fast switching anyways.
@ElectraFlarefire
@ElectraFlarefire 6 жыл бұрын
I'd have used a mechanical relay both for simplicity and reliability as I'm normally building for others. This works and importantly, it'll be never used unsupervised and any failures won't be dangerous, just dusty. So it's valid.
@BrandonFrancey
@BrandonFrancey 6 жыл бұрын
If you are wondering why Matthias used a SSR, then you haven't been watching enough of his videos. The simple reason is, because he had them laying around.
@Ed19601
@Ed19601 6 жыл бұрын
@Sasja : and less voltage drop. But if I had an SSR laying around and would have to buy a mechanical relay the choice would be easy
@mpikas
@mpikas 6 жыл бұрын
I love how when you make it safer than what you had, and probably about as safe as anything you would buy you get all the safety police out about all the exposed contacts INSIDE your box. LOL In my case I have mine wired like you had yours originally- I mounted a separate electrical box on the side of my saw, and used an outlet that can be split into 2 separate circuits like yours, and wired one side to one leg and the ground before the table saw switch and the other side to one leg and the ground after the table saw switch, giving me a switched 120VAC for he collector and an always hot 120VAC that gets used for thing like sanders and if I want to use the collector to clean up when the saw is not on. Yea, I could get zapped with 120VAC if the ground feed broke, but that's seriously unlikely and even still, how many of us that have ever tinkered with anything like this before hasn't zapped themselves a few times before. I would reconsider if it was something my kids would use or if it was an item for sale, but if my kids are using my tablesaw, well the saw is more dangerous than the circuit and I'm not selling my 40y/o table saw.
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
If the ground broke, chances are you would not notice that the table saw is hot. When I was about 16, fixing one of those old tube TVs where chassis is connected to one side of the lead with an unpolarized plug. Every time I plugged it in, I'd swipe my hand across it to make sure it wasn't hot. After about ten times, I figured, what are the odds that I plugged it in so chassis is neutral every time? So I checked it with a phase tester. Half the time, it had been hot. But without me touching ground anywhere, I just never noticed.
@mpikas
@mpikas 6 жыл бұрын
Yea, I've been in that situation also. Honestly, my point was more along the lines of, "I'm surprised you bothered, I mean I get it but surprised, I'm doing the same thing that you were and not too worried about it." ;-)
@2009dudeman
@2009dudeman 6 жыл бұрын
The best solution would just to use industrial stacking switches, they do exactly what Matthias is doing here all the time in industry. He has a very common problem, power on or signal a low voltage circuit with a high voltage circuit. Matthias has an interesting solution, and i'm sure he's smart enough to be safe enough to be just fine. After all, people used to keep themselves alive with just the muscle between their ears, they didn't have everyone around them constantly making OSHA approved cowboys (google it, its funny). But if I were doing this, i'd just buy $40 worth of stacking switches. One stage of the stack can switch the 240V section, then you can stage a 120V section off the same switch. Then the 240V and 120V sections are completely isolated, any broken wires then follow the same flow paths as individual 240V and 120V circuits. Props for ingenuity though.
@nickjm37fordel1
@nickjm37fordel1 6 жыл бұрын
I have absolutely no idea what he did but I still enjoyed watching the video ! :-)
@PetesShredder
@PetesShredder 6 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the same system I have on my laser for fume extraction. The laser outputs a 48v DC trigger to say the shutter is open and ready to fire, and I use that to switch a cheap Chinese SSR, and that automatically switches 240v to the fume extractor. Works fine.
@williamhayden7711
@williamhayden7711 6 жыл бұрын
Nice one. I like the delay when shutting off the saw too!
@larryholmes4462
@larryholmes4462 6 жыл бұрын
For all who are worried about Matthias' building techniques, perhaps there are some points I can make which may give some of you peace of mind. First of all, I am an "electrical engineer", degree and all. That isn't too important for this comment, but it may be important for some people who would worry all day and into the night about the credibility of my comments! Next, I have designed and often built projects such as this. When doing them for myself, some began about like this, and often didn't get beyond this kind of "prototype" construction. Some connections did not have insulation, some did, depending on the likelihood that they could touch other power carrying connections, which it appears is the same for this one. Generally, the more rigid the wires were, the less concern I had for their ⚓️ anchoring to something likely to be safer than safe. Finally, there are some whose house wiring is worse than this! For example, it is common to use a "flying lead" or "flying wire" to install an outlet where the box which will contain a duplex AC connector is difficult to reach for the electrician doing the wiring. In a few cases, it would be impossible to fit a small screwdriver into the box 📦 which the AC outlet will be installed. Physically impossible! So, the ⚡️ electrician who is charged with installing the outlet will add a short "flying wire " ( a wire that is very short, perhaps only four inches long, with enough insulation removed from each end of the wire to make a solid connection but with enough still remaining in the middle of the wire to insulate the wire from surrounding connections) to the outlet's connection screws, which then may be connected to the incoming wires with a simple "wire nut" connection. If this procedure is demonstrated on a typical connection to an electrical outlet that is hard to reach, it quickly becomes obvious that the flying wire is the only way the outlet may be wired. To the casual observer, it would appear virtually identical to some of the "floating" connections in a box 📦 like the one ☝️ shown in this video! The conclusion? The connection is safe, as are these.
@chuckyz2
@chuckyz2 6 жыл бұрын
Would it pass inspection?
@Creeperboy099
@Creeperboy099 6 жыл бұрын
The solid state relay is so satisfying to watch when activated...
@infocpctrainer
@infocpctrainer 6 жыл бұрын
your comment 'it works'; I never doubted it. only wish I could follow what you did. Too many wires going every which way. but I love it all the same, thanks.
@construction-productscemen4935
@construction-productscemen4935 6 жыл бұрын
Great work! Keep up being intresting.
@WoodenCreationz
@WoodenCreationz 6 жыл бұрын
I came here for the comments.. Impressive build Matthias.
@Richard-wk9le
@Richard-wk9le 4 жыл бұрын
One small point- fine saw dust does not burn with a flame ,it smolders so if that relay gets too hot and too much saw dust you've got a problem just a word to the wise.
@cojones8518
@cojones8518 6 жыл бұрын
White lithium grease works as heatsink compound and you can pick it up in 1lb tubs in the automotive section of Walmart. It's used to grease axle bearings on boat trailers. Look for LubriMatic White Grease 1lb 8 bucks
@C0mmentC0p
@C0mmentC0p 6 жыл бұрын
That relay box made me feel fuzzy with all of those exposed connections. I had the same feeling when you were wiring the 240v breaker, it looked like your hand was very close to the terminals. I bet getting a shock from that isn't fun.
@macedindu829
@macedindu829 6 жыл бұрын
Bet he used copper wire to secure it just to trigger you guys. ;)
@magnets1000
@magnets1000 6 жыл бұрын
considering that plastic zip ties are easier to use, probably
@massimookissed1023
@massimookissed1023 6 жыл бұрын
240v is certainly invigorating, I dunno if I'd call it fun, but it does wake you up.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 6 жыл бұрын
Not to defend the design, but if the terminals are only air-insulated, I wouldn't trust crappy zip ties to hold the psu in place. Too many of the ones from the store get brittle in a few years. At least the wire won't plausibly embrittle and let the psu loose.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 6 жыл бұрын
Was that reply to me? YT notified me as if it was. If so, why are you telling me this?
@63256325N
@63256325N 6 жыл бұрын
Very clever indeed. I have no idea what you just did as I am a *total* idiot when it comes to electricity. Thanks for the video.
@bobuk5722
@bobuk5722 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Matthias. I've built a number of accessory switches, but using old fashioned relays. Very minimal voltage drop across the contacts. I prefer octal based industrial relays mounted on a din rail - very easy to wire up. Very useful as well for safety interlocks. But, I expect you had rescued the solid state one from some pre-owned gadget. Much cheaper! I like coil relays. You can see things moving ..... BobUK.
@سامىالبدوي-س3ن
@سامىالبدوي-س3ن 6 жыл бұрын
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@LvcianoN
@LvcianoN 6 жыл бұрын
You lost me in “I’m going to connect this wire...” lol great video man
@Shawn_White
@Shawn_White 6 жыл бұрын
You should look into contactors. They have internal rectifiers that rectify the voltage on the "coil" side and can run 120-230v on the coil side they eliminate the need to have a low voltage source.
@g45h96
@g45h96 5 жыл бұрын
Good project with a surprisingly efficient homebuilt blower. I'm sure you already know, but I'm gonna say it anyways. 1, no bushing on where your 120v comes into the box. 2, copper wire is an awful choice for mounting things inside of an electrical enclosure. Like I said, I'm sure you know and are aware of the risks, but are your viewers? Will some regular Joe following along know to immediately disconnect power and inspect when he sees signs of chafing and cutting on the 120v input?
@05tech
@05tech 6 жыл бұрын
I watch these videos thinking I will need this in my life one day.
@alec4672
@alec4672 6 жыл бұрын
You can buy aluminium electrical boxes. Gotta go to a real electrical supply house though. If I remember correctly automotive spade terminals fit over electrical plug prongs too. That bit of a delay when the relay turns off is a nice feature.
@MikaChr
@MikaChr 6 жыл бұрын
The 120V circut is not isolated in the wirering box... maybe the whole box will have current on it if the parts move inside the box due to vibrations. This is hart to watch as a german electrician. :)
@neogeo8267
@neogeo8267 6 жыл бұрын
You might be able to use one of the 220 legs as the core of a transformer, winding it with many turns of a thin gauge solid core wire, and use that to trigger the SSR. Just an idea, may make the project simpler for some / require fewer parts.
@bluesmiller7081
@bluesmiller7081 6 жыл бұрын
The dedicated neutral is the safest approach. Current returns to the source via the lowest resistance path. If something goes wrong in the wiring and shorts to the hot, the equipment grounding conductor (neutral) provides a low resistance path so current returns on the wire rather than through you. The metal chassis should be tied to the equipment grounding conductor that goes back to your electrical panel. Note:, grounding to the earth is not sufficient it needs to go back to the panel.
@mckenziekeith7434
@mckenziekeith7434 6 жыл бұрын
Neutral is absolutely positively NOT to be used as an equipment grounding conductor. Neutral is a current carrying conductor. No current carrying conductor should be used as an equipment ground.
@rebelba42
@rebelba42 6 жыл бұрын
I definitely need a "real life FFW button" like 03:18 :D I'm interested in how long your SSR does the job. Got a bunch of them and two relays fail after less than 6 months... Great Job Matthias, thanks for sharing!
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
I got one on the hot water tank where it switches 20 amperes daily, still working.
@tinlidtoo6615
@tinlidtoo6615 6 жыл бұрын
I really can't follow what he's doing here, but holy smokes I love watching these videos. It makes me feel happy that there are these super smart men out there who will keep getting us out of the trouble we seem to keep getting ourselves into. Big shout out to all you men in your work shops with tools ❤❤❤
@domingo473
@domingo473 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these types of videos
@jgriff19861947
@jgriff19861947 6 жыл бұрын
Lot's of thing are hard to under stand but if you learn a little bit it is more than you knew before
@musicbymark
@musicbymark 6 жыл бұрын
Your genius continues to keep me aware of my lack thereof, but couldn't you ground the tablesaw separately as a backup?
@BlueyMcPhluey
@BlueyMcPhluey 6 жыл бұрын
cool to see Matthias doing something other than woodworking
@NickHorvath
@NickHorvath 6 жыл бұрын
If you were going through the trouble of running an extension cord over there anyway you could have just wired one of the 240 phases to the neutral of the extension cord. The hot line would be controlled by your saw switch, go to the blower and return through the neutral of the extension cord. No relay required. You can still wire the top half of the plug to the extension cord to be always on.
@RandyRandersonthefamous
@RandyRandersonthefamous 6 жыл бұрын
great video. Why not use a 240v relay on a 120v line? too easy?
@lowrider74
@lowrider74 6 жыл бұрын
that cutting disc flying off at 3:12. Safety squints are a must...
@mark22732
@mark22732 6 жыл бұрын
Having tried using regular grease as thermal grease before, I cant recommend it. From my experience, it may as well have not been there, and it gets kinda gross.
@sharedinventions
@sharedinventions 6 жыл бұрын
I was planning to build a similar solution but with a HALL effect sensor. It detects current flow in the power cord, so no modification needed on the tool.
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
yes, that would be better, but more complicated. Would be cool if you could just clamp it onto the power cord you need to monitor.
@questioning3388
@questioning3388 6 жыл бұрын
they make solid state relays with a 240vac coil comparably priced to what was used
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
Oh, good to know. Didn't run across any on my search initially, but if I search AC-AC solid state relay, I see them. I should buy one for future projects.
@seekerbeta
@seekerbeta 6 жыл бұрын
An interesting solution that i would have never considered. looks like it works great for how cheap it is.
@uliman100
@uliman100 6 жыл бұрын
You should use a gland to protect your cable...Especially when using it on a machine that causes vibration...
@rockusbacchus
@rockusbacchus 6 жыл бұрын
Undefined Lastname I literally lol'd when I saw your reply
@alecjahn
@alecjahn 6 жыл бұрын
Good solution to a safety problem that I wouldn't have initially known about.
@Engineer9736
@Engineer9736 6 жыл бұрын
Alec J I guess Matthias also just learned it the hard way. Though 110 volts doesnt hurt much. I have had 230 volts on me for many times (return path via shoes to ground though, via neutral will be much worse, but that isnt the case at this table saw scenario either).
@workhardism
@workhardism 6 жыл бұрын
You built almost entirely out of rubber metal and plastic today and almost no wood. Okay, who are you and what did you do with the real Mr. Wandel?
@LvcianoN
@LvcianoN 6 жыл бұрын
Not a single piece of wood, im going to contact authorities and let them know mr. Wandel is being mind controlled by the lizard people
@aa1979
@aa1979 6 жыл бұрын
I thought for sure there would be something in the video sticking it to the KZbin safety patrol.
@ratchet1freak
@ratchet1freak 6 жыл бұрын
all the exposed contacts throughout the metal box with only airgaps to insulate should be enough
@Cynyr
@Cynyr 6 жыл бұрын
pretty standard wiring here in north america. I do like Wago connectors though, shame they are so much more expensive than wire nuts.
@gelu88
@gelu88 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Frink I've started seeing wago connectors at some specialty stores in Canada. But at about 5 times the cost, (50 cents vs 10 cents) it usually doesn't make sense. But a 5 wire wago is fantastic, especially compared to the shit show involved in joining 4 or 5 neutrals in a home wiring situation with a giant wirenut. They are about a dollar, but it's a no brainer for me given how rarely it comes up.
@sparks6666
@sparks6666 6 жыл бұрын
Love Wago's for my around the house DIY electrical work.
@edwardholmes91
@edwardholmes91 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Frink I agree, we don't use wiring nuts in the UK, but the Wago connectors are considerably more expensive than connector blocks. I love how compact the Wago connectors are though.
@roflchopter11
@roflchopter11 6 жыл бұрын
And that long extension cord that runs to the 120V to the dust collector switch box includes........ a dedicated neutral.
@simonrichard9873
@simonrichard9873 5 жыл бұрын
But you cant just pull a neutral from any circuit.
@mwhumble
@mwhumble 6 жыл бұрын
Nice! I did the same thing - using a solid state relay powered by a USB port - to turn all my computer periferals on and off when I switch my PC
@rotate85
@rotate85 6 жыл бұрын
Your table saw uses split-phase and not two-phase power. Residential power is split-phase. This is why 240V induction motors require a capacitor to create the second phase.
@richardpatterson4312
@richardpatterson4312 6 жыл бұрын
rotate85 I know, people always two phase and it always hits my ears sideways. They also argue if it's a wye or delta and have equality bad explanations for their opinions. I just say, "no it's not, it's a three wire Edison system" and then don't explain myself.
@Peteworth
@Peteworth 6 жыл бұрын
rotate85 see his videos on induction motors :) Talking about the two phases of a split phase (single phase power) is always confusing.
@dumbstupidfalk
@dumbstupidfalk 6 жыл бұрын
technically, after it is split at the transformer, it can be called 180° two-phase power: the sine-wave on one leg is shifted 180° from the other.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 6 жыл бұрын
Neither term really expresses why the motor needs what it needs to start; certainly a capacitor is not the only solution to creating torque with a single phase input.
@2009dudeman
@2009dudeman 6 жыл бұрын
Richard, people have argued that single phase motors are star(wye) or delta wound?! Thats a new one to me, I guess i'm not surprised though. I don't think it was edison who came up with multiphase systems though.
@justinmac2021
@justinmac2021 6 жыл бұрын
Sort of scary how smart you are
@twoweary
@twoweary 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool. It's a good idea to crimp a fork connector on that stranded wire B4 putting it under the screws on your outlet though.
@flyinggusto
@flyinggusto 6 жыл бұрын
Insanity. Thanks for helping me realize there are still intelligent people in this world.
@lyu0001
@lyu0001 6 жыл бұрын
There are two line power supply. One line is connected to table saw outlet 220V> converter 5V > relay switch. The other line is output 120V controlled by relay switch. Do l get it? Two split phase is common in Taiwan.
@skinnwalk3r586
@skinnwalk3r586 6 жыл бұрын
not an electrical engineer here, but even i could see there was a lot of risk of doing that, also i'd recommend using thermal paste instead of grease and a small tube isn't that expansive so please do a follow up video about this where you do things a bit more properly here
@bertusbertus4657
@bertusbertus4657 6 жыл бұрын
I think you better ground the box to, whit all those open conectors you are Gonna have a real problem. Just be safe👍🏻 i would use a fan and non-electrically conductive material for the box
@Rosa_AI
@Rosa_AI 6 жыл бұрын
i actually wonder they have these floormats made for putting cables under,are they actually usefull,or are they in general just usefull if you move things around on wheels a lot/thicker cables?i think they are most of the time made out of a steel or plastic and they kinda are like a roadbump
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
could be useful if other people walked around, but really hard to roll stuff over. I think I'd rather lift the cable when I need to roll something. The cable runs where I don't walk much.
@HandToolRescue
@HandToolRescue 6 жыл бұрын
Those cutting wheels are all one time use, aren't they?
@J_Madison
@J_Madison 4 жыл бұрын
I see you.
@josephlarsen
@josephlarsen 2 жыл бұрын
do you have any videos that you go through and take apart old stuff deciding what to keep, why, etc? Because you had tons of little things that you've obviously pulled out of "the trash" (or free on the side of the road) to use in projects. It'd be cool to know what you look for and how
@Ramog1000
@Ramog1000 6 жыл бұрын
why did you use a solid state relay? couldn't you just use a Contactor with a 240V coil, because that doesn't get hot if I remeber correctly, contactors are made for switching big loads like motors, its like a normal relay but a bit rated for a higher current. Also it has 2 break points so that it can't arc that much across the contacts.
@apelleti
@apelleti 6 жыл бұрын
Use a current-sensing-relay. Then you don't need any electrical connection between the 120v dust-collector and the 240v table saw. Just pass the 240v wire through the sensing circuit.
@biznock09
@biznock09 6 жыл бұрын
You know these people and their gripes...btw where's the strain relief on the power chord going into the junction box?
@davestorr6764
@davestorr6764 6 жыл бұрын
It’s like magic. Bad magic, but magic nonetheless.
@jason-ge5nr
@jason-ge5nr 6 жыл бұрын
Thats a pretty cool project.
@JPWack
@JPWack 6 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, what a hack. Loved it!
@BrassMtn
@BrassMtn 5 жыл бұрын
Great work! Very impressive
@ross102591
@ross102591 6 жыл бұрын
Remember that time you killed all those wasps??? That was Awwweeesome!
@heydave321
@heydave321 6 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Chris Farley.
@brainndamage
@brainndamage 6 жыл бұрын
You don't use whole-house GFCIs? In Europe they're required since the 90s, for fire safety. Wiring a load's neutral to ground is also prohibited, even though it technically works without a GFCI, for the exact reasons you described...
@lukerediger8431
@lukerediger8431 6 жыл бұрын
EU systems are more dangerous, you need whole house GFCI to reach our level of safety without them. We also use metal boxes to eliminate most electrical fires from arcing, they are grounded so if power goes to the casing, just like any other appliance, the breaker trips. Don't worry, our safety nazi's are trying to push these expensive devices on us. Admittedly they are cheaper in the EU due to economy of scale but here they are in the hundreds of dollars. all sleeping spaces now need arc fault protection which is different than GFCI, to prevent fires that are already prevented by the metal boxes... mostly they become nuisance devices now that don't add any real safety but they sure cost a lot.
@aserta
@aserta 6 жыл бұрын
Only problem with this is that the Nokia charger cable should be replaced. I don't know what is it about the cable but after a few years (and considering, there's no argument that it is old) starts leaking copper oxidation through it and eventually, the jacket just fails. I replaced all of my cords because otherwise, those chargers know no death. I still use my original N97 one with an USB adapter to charge my 1020.
@rogerdavies5
@rogerdavies5 6 жыл бұрын
i sorry, do you not have mains voltage din rail contactor's in canadia, this seems like a very cumbersome solution to a very simple problem.
@StarlancerAstro
@StarlancerAstro 6 жыл бұрын
Got any anti seize? That works quite well for thermal paste
@piccilos
@piccilos 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for the clarification at the beginning!
@Mhestley
@Mhestley 6 жыл бұрын
You have a handy idea, However you created an extension cord with two male ends, This is dangerous because the blades of the male end you plugged into the outlet would be hot and exposed when not plugged in. I couldn't look when you used bare copper wire to anchor components. I get nervous any time you get an electrical idea
@mckenziekeith7434
@mckenziekeith7434 6 жыл бұрын
Where did you see the extension with two male ends? I have watched the video twice and I didn't see it. Was it hidden in the background somewhere?
@mrkattm
@mrkattm 6 жыл бұрын
Clever but how is that safer? Isn't the transformer in the cell phone wall wart connected between ground and one of the hots? Seems to me that the same danger of losing the ground exists, how much resistance is in the primary winding of that wall wart? Just curious, I love your videos, they are quick, to the point and phun ! Thanks for sharing
@ratchet1freak
@ratchet1freak 6 жыл бұрын
no the cellphone wart is connected across the hots. Those cheap ones are mass produced for all over the world and it's cheaper to create a single switch mode powersupply module that can take both 110 and 240V and just swap out the plug part as needed.
@MrEngineer20051
@MrEngineer20051 6 жыл бұрын
EPIC MOTOR at the end!!!
@wawistojoyo6624
@wawistojoyo6624 3 жыл бұрын
Coming friends, don't forget to stop by, friends 😊🙏
@pederbonde757
@pederbonde757 6 жыл бұрын
Is it common there to use the ground instead of neutral. Dont you use ground fault interrupters. Wouldnt it trigger in that case.
@chasehill3946
@chasehill3946 6 жыл бұрын
Matthias if you are ever in need of thermal compound Zinc Oxide or Diaper rash creme works perfect.
@matthiaswandel
@matthiaswandel 6 жыл бұрын
Good to know. Except we just use vaseline these days - works just as well. Maybe we have some left. But the new baby rarely gets rashes.
@rschelp1
@rschelp1 4 жыл бұрын
Curious why you did not get an AC driven relay i.e. Amazon shows both SSR25 DA and AA. Seems this would be simpler because it eliminates the need for the the European DC wall plug. Was this because of the 240 going in?
@holzdubel386
@holzdubel386 6 жыл бұрын
Der Nachlauf des Staubsaugers war mir wichtig, er soll ca.10 sek. die Rohre noch leer pusten wenn die Säge ausgeschaltet wird. Ich verwende hierzu einen WC Lüfterrelais (es ist sehr günstig), man kann nun den Nachlauf einstellen.
@stanbrackhage
@stanbrackhage 6 жыл бұрын
man is an innovator
@quinngeary150
@quinngeary150 6 жыл бұрын
how is there a delay on the dust collector motor turning off after the saw is powered down???????
@alvarowissel4405
@alvarowissel4405 6 жыл бұрын
Very god muito fryend. You have very projects in tour ead. Congratular íons.
@bertvanrossem9547
@bertvanrossem9547 6 жыл бұрын
A good solution but clearly not from an electrical engineer ^^
@xander169
@xander169 6 жыл бұрын
Bert van Rossem RIMshot!
@CzoTortilla
@CzoTortilla 6 жыл бұрын
You're right... Matthias is so much more than just this!
@ilpatongi
@ilpatongi 6 жыл бұрын
Noone needs to be one to do this
@ilpatongi
@ilpatongi 6 жыл бұрын
TheRetiredtech Yeah that's why I've said that you don't need to have a degree to be smart
@heinrichvolkart2237
@heinrichvolkart2237 6 жыл бұрын
Bert van Rossem ich
@umbalaba
@umbalaba 6 жыл бұрын
This is so clever and so awesome!
@dj1NM3
@dj1NM3 6 жыл бұрын
It is so much easier in a country with 240V 10A as the standard in household GPO, just have an ordinary switch to control the power going to a double outlet to turn the machine and dust extraction on and off at the same time. Surely that "earth" in your 240V line has to be a neutral (with two active phases)? Otherwise the earth leakage protection should trip in your fusebox every time power was applied.
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