S&S 475 Cam Upgrade on a Harley-Davidson M8 Road King

[@CraigSmith568]

Andrews excitement is contagious. The idle on this is amazing.

[@perfect7liberty]

How Andrew kept a straight face during the "lube the shaft" comments is impressive! Great sound and performance from that 475C!!

[@FREE_PUREBLOOD333]

Again 100 % respect to John. Those guys having a laugh while you try to concentrate on a job. I would have told them to go make a coffee n leave me to it if it was me. Great seeing a true professional at work. 😎🇬🇧👍 Respect to you John from an old mechanic in England.UK.

[@tawaitai]

Look no further to MoonShine Harley Davidson for Cam upgrades on the M8 114 they have done extensive in-house testing on multiple configurations by top name brands like S&S, Comp Cam, Zipper etc. along with different exhaust pairings and a sit down review with the Masters.

[@fxlrsaz6363]

John, is a very patient person with both of you!

[@ocglide2566]

It's really amazing how much you get from a cam upgrade on an M8, I spent a fortune on my old Twin Cam 96 to get that big a boost in HP and Torque. I did a cam chest upgrade on my 2019 RGS, I used all S&S parts except I went with the Red Shift 468 Cam. For me the Red Shift 468 delivers the power right where I live 2500 to 3500 RPM. The SS 475 seems to work better for someone like Andrew that likes to rip the throttle and probably lives in a Higher RPM range than I do. Ofcourse Zippers Red Shift Cams aren't CARB approved so if that matters to you in Cali the 475 would be the way to go for sure.

[@hondanut7564]

Good to hear my RKS is getting the Zippers468 next week

[@dandreger5616]

I installed an S&S 475C cam chest kit on my 2019 RGS a year and a half ago.It turned a nice bike into a hot rod.Here in Ohio we’re able to have our bikes custom dyno tuned for perfect af ratios so not only do I have great performance my mpg is in the high forties.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Dang. Very nice

[@tyroneshoelace4872]

Can I ask... I'm considering a cam for my M8 114 with the S&S 475c being one I like. But I've heard and seen dyno graphs (even on S&S's own website) that say there is zero gain in hp & torque until you reach the upper rpm range. So high that my bike never gets there. What have you found?

[@cres7795]

@@tyroneshoelace4872 Best cam choice is the 30/30 From star racing. Best sounding cam and Best performance gains. I did the 475 on my SG and the 30/30 on my RG, the performance gain over the 475 is noticeable. The 30/30 you get your main performance gains in the lower rpms.

[@arthurmanderson4892]

You know why I love Wisconsin? Because we'll never have to be California compliant, LOL!!! 😁

[@franknitti1190]

Gloomy Wisconsin 🗑

[@davidfink9729]

Hell I live in California and I'm NOT California compliant .

[@gregrogers6077]

John should be featured on some upgrades. He was cool. Andrew was stoked and this is one of my "Go-To" channels.

[@bobmcginn7417]

Amazing John can get anything done with experts hanging over him.! Great video to all.

[@sandronomad5469]

orale, andrew! have the same cam in my 2019 sgs and it rips! over troublefree 20‘000 miles in 2 seasons (and this ain‘t exactly socal here; living in switzerland near the alps).

[@LawrenceBroussard]

Nice seeing someone so excited about a upgrade, and that sound is awesome.

[@flyonawall6521]

John has the patience of a saint. There would be F bombs flying if I was him. The bike sounds amazing!

[@haroldlanglois8986]

The environment around that lift would be hostile.

[@GawgaCracka]

I concur 💯

[@LonerBoi88883]

By far the best mod combined with suspension to my 2020 FXLRS

[@glennwingfield8681]

I installed the same kit in my 2017 SGS with the help of U-Tube! Stage 1 was performed at the dealer I purchased from. I also used the Dyno Jet Tune and backed it up with the Target Tune. I couldn’t be more pleased with the results.

[@haroldlanglois8986]

I have a Stage III in my 17. I've trashed the motor twice. Harley makes shitty high performance parts. Glad to see you going with S&S.

[@mojomanmurph1925]

I got the Harley Davidson 128 Big Bore installed right when it came out. Running the Pro Street and Auto Tuner. The SE oil pump and clutch. Using Fullsac MX header. (Throw said header pipe that comes with the stage kit away, that cat meets EPA but no good). Just put 20,000 miles on the motor running from the Cascade Mtns, Rocky Mtns, Application Mtns, deserts, plains, swamp lands and to the oceans. Ridden in all types of weather from 35 degrees to 109 degrees for hours on end. Still running strong. Not the engine to cruise around town stop light to stop light or get stuck in big-city-stand-still-traffic. She wants to run, needs the air to cool her down and a total blast when you get into the throttle. Very impressed with the Pro Street and Auto Tuner while touring. It changes for the weather conditions and altitude instantly. If you want good power from the get go of a brand new bike, you can buy a standard Electra, Street or Road glide and get the kit installed for a good price point. Get it Dyno'd not mapped. The dyno numbers of the 128 and 131 are very close you wouldn't know the difference. Also, Harley is always placing top 3 in King of the Bagger racing with S&S, Vance & Hines, Trask running their own bikes in the race. Something I have been paying close attention to wondering what really is the best out there.

[@20sgcvo90]

Andrews and fueling both sell a lower cam sprocket that is a great upgrade and reduces the play in the stock lower sprocket. Runs about 65.00 and worth every penny.

[@scott2228]

I would have wanted the shop to sound like a library while a Master Tech worked their magic on my prize possession. But the attitude was amazing and infectious.

[@michaelmitchell5909]

Very cool😎....I had a bassani rr3 stainless on an 03 cvo king I had last year....I had to sell it due to financial issues..im very sad to this day. The bike was a beast, screamin eagle 103 with andrews cams,forged kb pistons high comp....10.8-1.... head work by gms racing here in Pa, and a custom dyno tune with a tune liscence by dyno jet. It was impressive for a worked 103....i miss it alot but I still have a stock 04 king to ride!.....love the channel Matt

[@markmcintosh7095]

You can have fun on your 04 Road King. Things change in life and hopefully you can get another hot rod Harley again.

[@robbiehutslar5509]

That RK sounds badass! Andrew will have a lot of fun rippin up the roads out on the west coast with his new hotrod!

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

He needs the Trask cam chest cover with the glass so u can see that wonderful blue color

[@302BAGGER]

Love this 107 work , everyone does the 114 would love to see more 107 work!!

[@bigj200016]

I’m planning on a cam swap on my 18 SportGlide this winter. Was leaning to the 465 because it’s supposedly S&S’s torque focused cam.

[@Lucas_FLSL]

What I like the most is the G-Shock 😇! Andrew is never late!

[@tommiller8714]

Sounds great; S&S makes excellent products for Harleys. On my '21RGS (rare 1-yr. only Snake Venom/Black Pkg.), I went with the S&S 465c full cam chest kit, although initially I was leaning towards the 475 cam. Chose the 465 cam because I wanted the earlier torque hit; pulls great from just off idle (1750rpm-ish) to well past 4000rpm (perfect for my style of conservative riding, 2-up, hills, mountains, curves, etc.). Should I do a S&S 114/117-to-128 big bore kit (or a S&S 131 Stroker Kit, 4.625" stroke x 4.250" bore) future, I'll probably go with either the S&S 550 or S&S 540 cam, and of course will upgrade heads and Intake/TB/injectors, etc. My other mods: S&S 2-1 Sidewinder (w/catalyst); Fuel Moto/K&N # 3956 A/C (w/stock ventilator outer cover), Trask M8 Checkvent; HD Fan (oil cooler) and Tuned with Dynojet PV3-B (Map by Lucas at Fuel Moto). My combo runs excellent, pulls like freight train, and averages 46.4 mpg cruising on the freeway at 70-75 mph. For suspension: I'm running RWD shocks out back (reservoirs attached to the shocks) and a Progressive FST front end kit; working fine (was 1/3 to 1/2 lower costs than Legends and Ohlins).

[@stuwhyte479]

I fitted a set of s&s 433 Johnson rods to my 2020 road glide 350gt.what a difference oh my god!

[@Harley_2023_richieg]

what bike did you do this on?

[@tommiller8714]

@@Harley_2023_richieg My '21 Road Glide Special.

[@Harley_2023_richieg]

@@tommiller8714 Sorry...107?

[@mcdgtodd]

Yeah man! I love my S&S kit! And I have a 107 Motor, with an aluminum alloy intake, all S&S innards! Bassani Road Rage II, 2 into 1. Dyno Steve in Olympia netted me 107 HP and 104 ft/lbs of torque! I love it!

[@ThyySyko]

Watching all these older videos cause I want to be a motorcycle mechanic once I feel like I’m done serving the army and love the vids and how the work ethic beard on point too

[@CactusJack252]

John better charge the both of you $350 an hour for watching him work! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Big88Country]

All I can say is, John, YOU ARE AWESOME BROTHER! 🤣🤣 Great job guys! I personally went with the Star Racing 3030 cam with a 485 lift. Had to change the oil pump because it was starting to sump, so I figured might as well put a new cam in while I had the old one out, RIGHT!! Everybody does this right? It gave my mostly stock 2017 CVO Ultra 114 a big boost. It turned out 115 HP and 120 Torque. It has that snap your head back power, it's great! Everyone likes the S&S 475, it's a great cam as well.

[@g-man2045]

The kit sounds great, the humor is so true.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha. Glad you could relate.

[@93ORyan]

That wristwatch on the bars at 22:09 is a nice touch.

[@humblegreek4982]

Your cam brings all the boys to the yard 😂😂🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@jonomasonILoveU]

Hey Andrew that bike is a slick hotrod, everything you`ve done for it has made it real badass and the sound just blows me away😎👈🤟

[@BadBlue32]

That bike is so badass now! Love the sound and you see the power on video actually. Well done!

[@MattLaidlaw]

It’s a fun bike to ride. I’m glad we were able to showcase the power

[@jeffdavis5723]

@@MattLaidlaw *Yeah all of us feel the same **#Matt**.*

[@Aprojeep]

There are some PAB's and Service Bulletins with SE Tuner information and updates.

[@Sn0wdawgz]

Love the sound of that cam. It's hard to beat.

[@slicksouth5773]

Put this in my 18 Heritage. 110% worth it.

[@talkingrock7011]

Sounds good Andrew , but not as good as my stage 4 131 with the 517 cam and I also used the HD billet cam plate with the MOCO newest generation oil pump , ride safe out there in California

[@mikeessary4925]

@@RedTickJJ exactly man.. just a dick comment.

[@sfedek]

Same combination as Mine! 2017 R.G Stage 4 with the 475 cam. Much better riding!

[@noodles457]

that cam on the S&S 128 is what I did and I love it!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Oh nice 👍🏼

[@hankhamern5456]

I would have told the short guy to kick rocks after about 5 minutes in. Great job 👍.

[@robertcurtis9449]

Great video guys! I'm adding the S&S 465c to my '19 King.

[@craigjarboe2834]

Snap-on should give you a commission Matt for the up front advertising and the sublime ad at 24:17 with their truck on the freeway. Love the upgrade Andrew - sound and performance.

[@thomasangelo4219]

Motorcycle sounds awesome No sound like the sound of Cam Way cool

[@MuhaloTube]

That lope sounds great. Would like to see a dyno chart of the Stage 4 + 475 cam.

[@CactusJack252]

Stage 4 build will go better with other cams. the 475 is not a super high lift cam. It's considered a bolt in. a higher lift cam would go better with a stage 4 build.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea, we wanted to put it up on the Dyno but didn't have the time. Like the other comment on here says, it probably doesn't hit the peak HP that the other cam hit.

[@ezalocusky6424]

You can have all the horsepower you want, but it’s the torque that’s going to drive the rear wheel. That’s what’s going to really make the difference.

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

We ALLLLLL get the cams for the lope The power is a bonus

[@lecleve5456]

Amacing place to work, awesome guys!

[@d1mennis]

I like the way you blurr out the speedo! They will send you a ticket in the mail!

[@noecervantes4087]

I have a twin cam 103 and thinking of upgrading to a higher stage. I do mostly highly miles with some street riding as well. Would it be best for me to consider a Stage III or IV? Thanks for the videos Matt!

[@chchchscott1]

I watched him stroke John’s beard several times. The look in John’s eyes was like “what the fuck are you doing asshole”!

[@-sandman4605]

😃🤣 🇦🇺

[@mickthedawg4575]

Andrew the Wrench Jockey Choot Rooster. a choot rooster is the guy that sits on the fence beside a bull rider that tells him everything to do in the next 4 seconds, but has never rode a bull.

[@kenmarapese9085]

Excellent vid, so compliant, specially the test drive! Beautiful Road King, give it to me!

[@anthonyfxbb9040]

You guys should interview C-Bear stunts next on his setup!

[@MattLaidlaw]

I'd like to !

[@MikeK02048]

Your vids are the best motorcycle vids on KZbin. Love the build and the bike sounds awesome. Great job! Would love to know how much this setup cost.

[@robertluttrell2058]

Andrew is the shop 🤡, very good video and very funny. Pay back from John going to be tough Andrew. 😂

[@mikeessary4925]

Andrew ... This one is a keeper in my opinion. Sick brutha!!

[@Jak1481]

I love the sound of it. I have a brand new 2022 fatboy with 1400 miles and it’s been in the shop since August 12 I started it up and it was burning oil and leaking oil out of my exhaust it’s now September 9th and no answers all I’m being told is there waiting on part’s cylinders pistons and heads nobody is telling me why or what happened could you ask your mechanic if he might know and I’m curious if this is going to happen again with them installing the same parts as of right now a first time Harley owner I am not impressed and I am being left in the dark looking to see if I could get some info and Harley customer care is no help either thanks love watching your channel

[@FishFace13]

Love his GShock timepiece strapped to the risers 😅 Bike sounds epic.

[@carlosdasilva8622]

What is the name of that breather on that bike?

[@DeBa1226]

Well that puts that to rest. I was always under the impression that you HAD to go with that bigger cam when you go big bore, Stage IV. But I’m a torque guy too, not that I’m doing burnouts all over town, not worried about top end performance either, I just love that torque when it’s time to pass out on the trail, when you roll the throttle, the bike jumps out of its paint, you’re by the guy, and back into your lane. And of course the sound is like no other. S&S 475, Red Shift 468, you can’t ever go wrong. Great vid! You guys gonna throw it on the dyno for numbers and to see that curve?

[@ut1004bp]

Dang dude, I'm surprised you/they didnt address that OEM oil pump, and cam chest before, or right with the earlier stage 4 upgrade, I think a Stage 2 would be perfect for me, and my 107

[@feloniousmonk3049]

It's not the oil pump causing the sumping, it's the NPT tapered thread hole tapped too deep at the factory by HD that was causing oil pump pick up problems. The bolt was going in too deep and cutting off the oil pick up flow to the pump, causing oil to back up to too high a level where the crank would would then aerate the oil, beating it to a froth like a blender. See Feuling shorty bolt 1/2" x .260" instead of 1/2" x .460". Another easier solution would be to use more plumbers teflon tape , more layers of it, measuring how deep the bolt fits before you remove it, and then getting it to sit .150" to .200" less deep into the hole when fully seated. That leaves the hole unobstructed for proper oil flow pickup by the pump. HD made 8 iterations of that damn oil pump before they finally figured out the problem was the sump plug seated too deep. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYjOZIpjqL9ljas

[@ut1004bp]

@@feloniousmonk3049 Yes I've heard this before, but not sure if this was the primary cause on all the bikes with sumping issues

[@ckcapone]

Matt what kind of helmet do y’all have ?

[@bosluder4862]

I have a 2021 Tri Glide. Going to put a 475 cam in this winter. Warranty up in Jan. 2023. Should I put in the S&S oil pump and cam plate as well? The 21's are suppose to have the upgraded oil pump. Thanks for any advise.

[@richardadams6821]

Got the s@s 475 dyno tuned in my 114 fat bob , it flies!!!!!!!!

[@scott2228]

In another life I would have been a Harley mechanic. But a bad back and desire for a desk job got in the way. Well, that and getting “let go” from the same dealership twice.

[@davidcurry3152]

I’m guessing the cam would work well with the 117, or would another cam be more suitable?

[@tomm9493]

Wondering what this did to your warranty or were you already out and that wasn't an issue?

[@Firestorm637]

Harley guys immediately jump on the engine to help performance. Weight is a problem with Harley. Replacing rims with carbon fiber would really help handling decreasing unsprung weight. Replacing the battery with a lithium would help. Does Harley make composite fenders to unload weight. Less weight helps everything from handling, braking, and acceleration vs just straight line performance. I enjoyed the video.

[@JOBOWEEZKING]

Please do a 2022 softail completely club style’d out! To show what that bike can become. Should help with sales hella!

[@Harley_2023_richieg]

@Matt Laidlaw Great video and enjoyed the content and test of the new cam...bike sounds awesome.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thanks for watching my friend. 🤘🏼

[@scottsmith6296]

Laidlaw, hands not tied here. Come to the free America 😀

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha i know, I know

[@btoso32]

Shout out to Jon for having to put up with these knuckleheads!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea, I don’t know how he did it

[@jeffdavis5723]

@@MattLaidlaw #Lol 😆😂🤣😜

[@daymaker5460]

How can that man work with the never-ending juvenile goofy jabber. He might not come back tomorrow. Take care of the excellent staff,

[@MattLaidlaw]

Rarely do we subject him to it but he knew what was coming that day.

[@HD2O13XL12OOC]

Sounds great man!

[@tonkau488]

John deserves an upgrade of his choice on his bike for these video's

[@russelrides3218]

Just can’t let the man work in peace 🤣

[@hoss6048]

Haven’t seen numbers for the SE torque cam..is it comparable to the S&S 475? I did the SE cam plate and oil pump along with S&S cuffs etc.

[@MattLaidlaw]

I wish we could have dyno’ed it. We ran out of time. It’s probably similar to the torque with all things being the same.

[@roquecampos6663]

6:42 Dude is like back tf up 🤣

[@Marvelkid87]

that thing sounds great! fantastic job

[@bobmcginn7417]

Road King sounds really nice.

[@normannoakes4698]

Best cam out!! Can watch that all day...:)

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Wrf.. stage 4 was done with a cheap OEM cam plate ?

[@soldier09r]

The ending is music to my ears!

[@Gimps_Garage]

No dyno after those installs? The PV3 can only take it so far. Get that puppy on the dyno and really dial it in. 🤙🏻

[@ericv79flh]

That's the cam I want. Bike sounds good!

[@baggertrash1327]

Left the O ring off from the stock oil pump. Should've transferred that to the S&S pump!

[@jamesco0329]

Best way to beat the emissions in CA. Wait for the big one and Sacramento and the bay sink in the pacific.

[@tex9280]

😂🤣😂🤣 always got to lube up the shaft 😂🤣😂🤣 Keep Living the FUCKING Dream ❗ Safe travels 🙏♥️ 💪🇦🇺💪

[@michaellawton3271]

What you running for suspension that should be the first upgrade done on these Harley’s

[@Heritagejim5339]

Andrew is a hoot, John keeps it all straight! Sweet video 😎

[@jdflhr]

Any plans for a dyno tune?? The tq number with your set up would be nice to see!

[@GawgaCracka]

I think John may have messed up, I only saw him put in 1 cam....Sounds Mean Andrew.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Haha. Good thing the M8 only has one cam.

[@wam1388]

How would these parts affect the warranty? How many things can you replace/upgrade before there's a warranty issue? Obviously there's a line, but it'd be nice to know where that line is.

[@hondanut7564]

Great timing video !! my RKS 114 goes in next week , but for a Zippers 468

[@wcraiderevo8078]

@Mattlaidlaw Did you say he lost Cownt?? This video is for me since I just bought a 2018 FXLR...

[@wcraiderevo8078]

That sounds great!

[@MattLaidlaw]

He lost count of how many burgers he eats. Is that what you’re referring to?

[@wcraiderevo8078]

@@MattLaidlaw Awful pun... couldn't help myself. Great and perfectly timed video.

[@fililoboesparza5784]

You have a SIK ride Andrew. Sounds amazing! I have the screaming eagle tuner on my 107 M8 you think the 475 SS cams will work with that tuner?

[@osubam]

Nice video. I have a 2022 SG ST, What cam can I do to get more power from my 5th and 6th gear?

[@harleydave2316]

I approve of this work from your technician. I mean... Harley is literally in my name... :)

[@MattLaidlaw]

I appreciate your approval.

[@harleydave2316]

@@MattLaidlaw As a master home mechanic and a degree in learning from KZbin, I have to watch out for the little guys. Just in a day's work on the couch, man. Seriously though, that beard is dope! Lol

[@motorman857]

I'm pretty sure that mechanics beard is over the legal limit in California.....

[@mojomanmurph1925]

🤣😂

[@MattLaidlaw]

😂🤣 he is moving to Florida asap.

[@ericjames7680]

Thank you for the reply. It will not have this click feel when I down shift without blipping the throttle. If I down shift through the gears without the throttle blip and engine RPM coming down, nothing. I did find a Harley Bulletin from a few years ago about something that sound familiar .It was answering customer questions. The first was, ''why am I feeling feedback on the clutch lever when I shift?'' Answer, ''hydraulic pulse from the slipper and assist clutch ramps.'' So I thought it may be that, what do you think? The clutch lever is as smooth as ever when pulling it in every time other than a throttle blipped down shift? Thanks!!