Will Alpine REALLY drop Ocon for the Canadian GP?

[@JoseOjedaMTB]

"consecuences" can mean "we will not renew his contract for 2025"

[@swordsman1137]

Ocon subtle-ly bragging about his connection with other F1 teams. So he has no intention to stay if it's true

[@8tonystark8]

no more fresh baguettes every morning

[@RoyLimisAw3s0me]

@@swordsman1137 Mercedes is not going to give him a seat and not all team would want an abrasive drivers who is not a team player

[@swordsman1137]

@@RoyLimisAw3s0me that's what i thought too. Andretti probably will offer for 2 years if congress able to let them join F1. But yeah, nobody wants Ocon for long term if he stays being like this. Jack will get the seat next year or Sainz, although i think it will be Jack.

[@RoyLimisAw3s0me]

@@swordsman1137you do know that US Congress can't ask a company to get Andretti to enter F1? it's not a US Company... like how Tik Tok USA is a separate entity then the China one (for privacy reason) - Congress is trying to know why Andretti didn't get in (FIA can choose not to answer cos Congress is not the International Court of Justice LMAO)

[@johnturner4400]

There is a huge difference between what happened in Australia to Monaco. Gasly rejoined the track and took out another competitor. Unfortunately that competitor happened to be his teammate. In Monaco, Ocon knew exactly who he was trying to overtake. The first was an accident and the second was considered.

[@soundscape26]

Totally, in Australia Ocon was, unfortunately for Alpine, hit randomly.

[@chirag-shukla]

Good points! I agree and disagree. I agree that the two situations were very different. But I disagree in how they were different. Australia was a racing incident, sure. But Monaco, lap 1 is basically where the finishing order is decided, outside of quali. Pierre left the door open, was surprised that Ocon didn't stick to their pre-arrangement, and decided to not back out. "If you don't go for a gap..." is very overused, but it's so valid here. What do you think?

[@doorhandle929]

There is a huge difference yes, Gasly was on 10 penalty points back then and had every reason to not be a total idiot and smash into any other car, let alone his teammate, and he absolutely totalled both cars which cost the team money that was directed to upgrading the car, which in part gave birth to the monstrosity that is this year's Alpine.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

There is a huge difference in points lost also. And there is also a pre-arrangement of not crashing into your teammates every race. Not rejoining the track like an idiot by cutting across the entire track after a standing start. Gasly incident was just significantly worse than Ocons in every possible way. Except that the driver the fans hate was responsible for Monaco but was taken out in Australia.

[@zeelpatel7658]

Australia for me is not under the same umbrella purely because, it was the final lap therefore it's pretty much maximum risk especially considering they got luck with a points opportunity. Monaco- alpine were almost certain to get points and they almost lost this due the incident. So alpine anger is justified.

[@ReddickBiffle46]

I don't think they will drop him but I kinda hope they do just to see either Jack or Mick race!

[@OK-fi4yq]

Mick's had his chance, would love to see a new face

[@Freezee]

@@OK-fi4yqHe was actually pretty decent for the fact he was at a shit team

[@jasonhenry9440]

Why would Alpine replace Ocon with drivers that he's better than 💀💀

[@crushx]

@@jasonhenry9440 it would only be a bench to show him he cant do what he wants. if he gets benched theres no way he stays at the team for next year as the relationship will be too far gone. i do think jack deserves a chance in f1 whether it be this way or another im not sure benching him is the right call tho

[@soundscape26]

@@jasonhenry9440 Who else would you call to do one race?

[@leonsshare]

At that point, due to sainz puncture, they were both running in the points in 9th and 10th. What a muppet to have undone that on a no-team-gain move. If it hadn't been red flagged seconds later, he'd have thrown away potentially 3 points (9th & 10th finish, and they could have worked together to get the gap to go for fastest lap too, like how it seemed alonso tried for stroll). Gasly was lucky to be able to continue and hold on to 10th.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Potentially 3 points to 8th place in the Constructors World Championship standings with total of 4 points if that really happen.

[@Neo_mode]

It was very surprising it didn't end up as a double dnf

[@AKStovall]

Because Zhou didn't make it past the first sector, the grid is reset to the start/finish line (no micro sectors in monaco). They weren't in the running for points, they were technically 16 and 17. Ocon wrecked both cars for 16th place.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Yeah and by the same logic if Gasly didn’t crash Ocon out in Australia they would’ve been P4 and P5. And Gasly didn’t DNF nor was his car significantly damaged, so all Ocon ended up costing the team at most was 1 point - from your hypothetical scenario. Or 0 points in reality.

[@GuagoFruit]

Ocon might have come from "humble roots" relative to the rest of the grid, but by god he has no right to be as abrasive as he has been for his whole career.

[@czechvirusS]

for somebody from a poorer walk of life he seems to act way too privilaged. i'd expect someone like that to be fierce but humble. not toxic and selfish

[@Cloxxki]

Same goes for Hamilton, and he's done some stuff I really oppose, but at least he backed that up with speed. Ocon's sometimes fast, but not consistently enough so. Diva antics with just an F3 title. Stroll his buddy, born a billionionaire kid, is less of a diva.

[@benoitm9199]

​@Cloxxki Ocon is no way a diva in interviews. However he drives with a knife between his teeth. That's what I call a racer. He is such a racer so he fights every possible moves. Some dislike, but I like.

[@RoyLimisAw3s0me]

@@benoitm9199 OCON is the worst teammates; the only teammate he hasn't clashed is Stroll... which is ironic... Alpine caused this problem...

[@guneytopal7076]

He came from a middle class family. Would hardly classify it as humble. His family sold a house in Malaga to fund his career. Last I checked someone who owns a house in a medium/big city is often middle class at worst. Go look at Messi and Ronaldo's early life if you want to see humble roots.

[@kiwi_commander]

IMO benching Ocon is the best long-term solution for Alpine. Sure, Ocon is beating Gasly in qualifying and you could say both are equal in skill but removing him future proofs the team. Not only you bring in Jack but Alpine will also have someone with a ton of experience mentoring young drivers in Gasly. This season is already a wash so dropping Ocon allows them to change gears and begin training their new rookie driver and setting up for 2025. Not to mention, that it has been years since Ocon has been in the sport and still hasn't learned that you don't crash into your teammate, still has an attitude problem, and he has been publicly saying that he is still a Mercedes driver which damages the Alpine brand.

[@gokinka]

Agree!!!

[@Ronny999x]

Yeah Ocon beat Gasly in Qualifying. But Gasly beat Ocon in Miami then Ocon got a lucky Safety car pitstop. Thats why he scored a point. Not because he was better that race.

[@YouHaventSeenMeRight]

Occon has never been a team player, which doesn't need to be a problem, until you start crashing out your team mate on regular basis because you feel that you are the superior driver. Occon has had issues with all of his team mates, not just Gasly. Occon had been told beforehand that he should maintain his position, and his ego just couldn't let it lie.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Ocon was only at fault for crashing into his teammate in Baku 2017 and Monaco 2024. And in Monaco 2024 Gasly had no damage and didn’t lose anything. The team didn’t lose any points either because Ocon would be P11. Every other time, it was completely his teammates fault, - both cars got damaged, the team lost points. Perez: Belgium 2017, Singapore 2018. Alonso: Brazil 2022 Gasly: Australia 2023 All drivers are told not to crash into their teammates. So you should’ve had the same energy between these last 7 years but you’re just a hypocritical muppet aren’t you?

[@goomerpyle6005]

@@paperplane-db8qf yeah because drives like hungary 2022 are justified? fighting and crashing with your teammate is one thing, but being willing to pay any expense to stop/beat your teammate like ocon did by blocking alonso and letting ricciardo pass, is another. clearly shows ocon's intent more vividly than anything else. does leclerc and sainz do this to one another?

[@YouHaventSeenMeRight]

@@paperplane-db8qf No, you are a total Occon fan boi, who doesn't want to see that Occon is a loose cannon. This is not something teams appreciate, especially in the budget constraint era, where crashes eat into your development budget. So if Alpine has had enough of his behavior, other teams will think hard about whether they want this sort of non-team player guy in their car or whether they want someone who isn't going to jeopardy their chances at points.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

@@goomerpyle6005 Ocon didn’t do anything in Hungary 2022 except defend the inside line at the start. It’s called racing. “Losing positions” lmao. Alonso cost his teammates way more points and positions in Brazil 2022. Heck Alonso cheated in Hungary 2007 and cost his teammate multiple positions (and a championship) and you don’t say anything 🤡 Alonso is the old Albon - “they race me too hard” 😭 You clowns conveniently forget that Ricciardo was in an alternate strategy and Ocon moved over for Alonso in that race anyway. So what exactly are you pissy about? Just take bits and snippets and spout your BS propaganda with half assed misinformation.

[@paperplane-db8qf]

@@YouHaventSeenMeRight I’m not an Ocon fan, I just don’t hate him. I just hate idiotic hypocrites like you who change your dumb opinions based on which driver is involved. You can’t even objectively answer what is wrong with what I said. Because you lack the intellect capacity to be reasonable and overreact to anything Ocon does.

[@veyty3593]

Hey, french viewer here. Bruno was live on the french broadcast from the pitwall during the race. After the crash, his quote had a misleading conclusion saying « Va falloir trancher dans le vif » which cannot be properly translated. Litterally, it means « We will have to cut in the wound ». Basically SOMETHING is gonna happen and it won’t just be a discussion after the race. But what’s gonna happen exactly he doesn’t discloses. Maybe Alpine will prioritize Pierre for the upgrades now? Just a guess

[@Kuriiios]

Hey guys as a French fan based on what Famin said imo he meant « the relationship between Alpine and Ocon is broken, we won’t renew him » but his turn of phrase isn’t clear and subject to interpretation

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Formula 1® fan from 🇫🇷 now in nutshell.

[@jjuune]

I speak french too and i was frantically looking for the actual interview where he said it so i could try to understand what he really meant since translations don't get the actual intent of someone said oftentimes as u said, but i couldn't find it :// where did u end up seeing it?

[@Kuriiios]

@@jjuune just type Famin Canal + Monaco and there is a 2 minute zoomed vidéo

[@jjuune]

@@Kuriiios thank u sm, I think i had searched for it too early. Honestly yeah I think it's quite hard to know what he meant exactly and in any case he also probably hadn't even though properly about it himself as it was said right after it happened and in the heat of the moment..

[@Roguescienceguy]

Guys, don't forget. Famin is capable of such ruthless decisions. He was definitely no pushover when he managed Loeb and Ogier. I think he even sidelined Loeb at one point. That's a multiple world champion he did that to. Just some food for thought.

[@Cloxxki]

Famin can't trust Ocon to act for the interest of the team. Ocon's been demostrative of this. It was explicitly discussed beforehand, it seems? Gasly took a wide line, because he trusted Ocon and the team had convinced him to have this trust.

[@Panman9698]

Tommy nailed it, Ocon is unemployable in the future. If I was Bruno, I would just sack Ocon right now and move on for the future of Alpine rather than just benching for one race. I will want to know if Doohan is the future

[@SektorNL]

Apparently Williams - who often emphasize they're a team with no politics - has also stated that Ocon is off their shortlist after Monaco. As fast as he may be, it appears that Ocon can't control his habit of not playing the team game.

[@gokinka]

​@@SektorNLnot surprised at all

[@SPeeSimon]

Maybe they wait until there is no more coming back, because they are too far behind. Around Singapore it must be known if they can fight for a better position with Ocon or they won't lose anything by replacing him. But that is if Alpine is willing to replace him.

[@clintonmaher6930]

Completely disagree that Doohan would be a downgrade to Ocon.

[@Orcawhale1]

I don't think, that they can just sack him(There's probably some sponsor obilgations and contracts, which prevents this).

[@letsmisbhavekmgx9786]

I suspect the strong response has to be linked to team conversations behind the scenes before the race.

[@johnturner4400]

Famin made the comments in the heat of the moment during the red flag period. After the race he had calmed down a little and when asked, did not repeat the comments.

[@artemisd.9450]

Being French, I back your comment. They at alpine are probably desperately trying to find a way to get out of the mess created by Famin’s comment without looking like clowns. «Sauver la face» is what we say.

[@Stoufclown]

Said the same in another comment … Canal+ had a live line with the Aloine stand.. he talked too fast i think

[@TWIlktitbliktvim-ty7td]

@@Stoufclownno sure about that

[@86wezza88]

I don't think he'll be benched, i just think any option for a contract is now completely gone.

[@freyalove3831]

Indeed.

[@maxmastersonsound]

Turns out, it very much was not an empty threat

[@timquerengesser1561]

Didn't Nico Rosberg reveal Mercedes made it a rule that both he and Lewis had to pay for damage if they came together? I would think THAT would change Ocon's behaviour very quickly.

[@DropkickDiaries]

He’s gotta go blud. There is so much tension in the team and the best way to crush tensions is to get rid of the worst team mate to ever live. Give a young driver some time in the tractor I say! 😂

[@jasonhenry9440]

No.

[@chanahasnomana]

@@jasonhenry9440 agreed. Kicking out a good driver would definitely not help alpine. That team is literally imploding they need someone with consistency, Ocon might be a prick but he's also an excellent driver. It's unfortunate his attitude is so shit when playing a team game.

[@DropkickDiaries]

@@chanahasnomana the only thing consistent about ocon is the fact he’s not going to play the team game. As good a driver as he may be, it seems the only drivers he attacks or defends against are the ones in the same livery as him 😂

[@Nolitaflat]

THEY hired Ocon’s career enemy when he had been established at the team for years. wtf did they think was gonna happen?

[@DropkickDiaries]

@@Nolitaflat did he not do the same thing with a small time veteran driver by the name of Fernando Alonso?

[@HylianVoice]

Yeah, I definitely more read it as, "we won't renew his contract", not "we're benching you this season"

[@Kris_T_]

When you're at the back of the grid with nothing to lose might be the time to give the rookie a go,,, you're not gonna pull your top driver and give your rookie some experience when you're fighting for an championship position, but when you've more or less looking to next year, now might be the best time to give Estie a slap on the wrist, giving jack a run in the car just for experience.

[@Razor921]

Also people are acting as if they're gonna swap Ocon out for the rest of the season or something, like no just give him a one race timeout and see what your primary candidate for the seat can do in Canada. It makes sense to me.

[@ronl471]

Well this aged well.

[@Guy4029]

It is wild that Alpine's potential punishment is worse than Kmag's punishment from the FIA.

[@LordViktorHun88]

It was also wild that Ocon was punished by the FIA, but K-Mag wasn't. They couldn't make it even more clear the fact that they don't want a driver to be banned due to penalty points.

[@Trakkson]

@@LordViktorHun88 Perez-Kmag accident is controversial, because at least a small part of the blame is on Perez, who on purpose squeezed Kmag against the wall despite clearly looking in his mirrors and being aware where he was. It's still mostly Kmag's fault, but not totally 100% Kmag's fault. Stupid move from Kevin, but also stupid move (or blindness) from Checo. Therefore racing incident is as good call as any. Ocon, on the other hand, basically refused to brake, went for a gap that wasn't there, took himself out and he's only lucky that Gasly was able to continue.

[@Neo_mode]

The term racing incident has died these days. Not every incident has to be blamed on a single driver. Kevin's move was very opportunistic, but by all means it was the definition of a racing incident.

[@timplett1]

​@@TrakksonI agree racing incident, but would love to see provisions for giving penalty points to both drivers in a racing incident if it merits it. It's supposed to punish unsafe driving, and both Magnussen and Perez drove dangerously in that instance.

[@StartPlayFinish]

I think theres a couple of drivers on the grid who have been notified their contracts are done but they still have to keep it quiet. Their performances on track are reflecting that. Sainz started driving differently after Lewis' news broke, although it kinda went in his favor. Kmag is driving with great frustration. Ocon is showing the same signs as Kmag. They're desperate to show they deserve a seat somewhere.

[@gokinka]

That's highly possible, didn't think of it this way.

[@StartPlayFinish]

Well, where theres smoke theres fire, i guess 😆

[@mycorvettelife]

If you think Jack’s cv is mediocre, Esteban’s cv (before and during F1) has been mediocre at best. We have several F2 champions sitting on the sidelines with no opportunity in site. We need to make some changes.

[@benmanning6649]

Hopefully praying for Jack 🙏

[@bumblebity2902]

much better than waste called Mick

[@SektorNL]

For those who don't remember: when at Manor for only part of a season back in 2016, Ocon also managed to collide with his teammate (Wehrlein). Does add to his impressive trackrecord.

[@Stoufclown]

I am French and was watching French TV live. There are 2 elements. 1 - it was all the week end where Canal+ had regular live contacts with Bruno. So there is a bit of an element that he was not prepared to react live (meaning in the second it happened) still in the adrenaline. So maybe something was said live that was not well filtered for the media. But to Matt=> No it is not translation… it is a totally correct. It is exactly what has been said.

[@Reece_Hart]

As an Aussie I'd love to see Jack get a drive. Given how hard it has been traditionally for Aussies to get into formula 1 the thought of us having 3 drivers on the grid at once is absolutely wild

[@fuzzygoblinwizard]

It all depends on if Seb decided to pick up his phone or not. Also, Alonso and Piastri must have done a psionic fist bump thinking "we dodged a bullet mate"

[@Nando_Lorris_04]

2023 Australia - Gasly punts Ocon into the wall on the last lap, taking them both out and ruining a great double points finish - No punishment 2023 Japan - Gasly being extremely petty and immature over the radio about team orders, ruining the chance to gain more places - No punishment 2024 Miami - Gasly tries to punt Ocon into the wall on lap 1 just because Ocon went for an overtake, which if it went any worse would’ve cost Ocon a point as it turned out - No punishment 2024 Monaco - Gasly tries to push Ocon into the wall at Casino Square when Ocon went for more as Gasly was stuck in the train and barely moving, nearly ending his race - No punishment Be fair to Ocon Alpine. You haven’t punished Gasly for any of his antics, yet the moment Ocon does something stupid you’re jumping to get him out

[@deadpressident3184]

Thank you! I'm not even a fan of Ocon but the media and fans are obviously biased against him. Even this incident in Monaco really wasn't all his fault. Sure from Alpines perspective, and especially if they gave orders, attacking your teammate on lap 1 around Monaco was exactly what they didn't want to happen. But he made the move, and was along side/ahead at the Apex. It was his corner at that point and from my understanding, especially based on the last few years (Max pushing everybody off track), the driver ahead and on the inside of the Apex is not required to leave any space. Gasley should have gave way at that point. The FIA giving Ocon a penalty for this was blatantly against how they have treated similar scenarios for years. A punishment from the team would make total sense. But the FIA should not have given a penalty for this.

[@awesomefacematt]

Yes Doohan isn’t a Leclerc or anything but I think you guys are underrating him. 2022 was quite decent in f2 and it was definitely a slow start to 2023 but second half he scored the most points of anybody

[@sheeshman9713]

I read somewhere that, after the first 3rd of the F2 season, Doohan outscored everybody by a big margin in the last two 3rds of the season, so he is definitely a very good driver Edit: It was an article from The Race a week or so ago.

[@cg_2k72]

To finish top 3 in a team that isn't Prema, ART, or Carlin is a sign of a very good driver.

[@tak8261]

I don't quite get the point about the contract, unless there is something specific within the contract that does not allow the team to "bench" the driver, I imagine Alpine can just continue paying Ocon his full salary and just bench him. They don't necessarily need to break the contract to do this.

[@DoddyIshamel]

It is weird they don't understand how f1 drivers are retained isn't it.

[@youdontneedtoknow1154]

I mean, it's Alpine's car and they have a contract paying Ocon to drive it. Not sure why Alpine can't say they want to let someone else drive the car next weekend. I'd love to see Doohan have a go at it and see what he is capable of in an F1 race.

[@erikapple8955]

Matt's understanding of race contracts is absolutely hilarious

[@ajalaabdulazeez]

They won't drop him but it would be like to see Jack Doohan in the car.

[@davidmarrazzo774]

Why? Jack is better suited to work for F1 TV not as a proper F1 racer. What has he accomplished?

[@lukebaird8643]

Once they sorted the setup issue with his car, he was the highest scoring driver last year in F2. To late for the title, but the performance showed promise. ​@@davidmarrazzo774

[@cidz1485]

This season is already finished for them. So to give the young driver, who they obviously wanna promote next season, at least half a season to get some rythmn, might not be the worst idea.

[@Fiasco3]

Williams wouldn't touch Ocon with a barge pole, there are way better options out there and they have team harmony and value that.

[@TK-ge2gh]

Consequences could be a full stop to any negotiations of Ocon’s contract beyond 2024.

[@GeneralMiller92FIN]

But that is exactly the reason why they could sack Ocon for one race. It's going so badly in Alpine currently that there is nothing to lose, so they could try Mick or Jack just for sake of it. After all, Ocon currently has only single point. If Alpine would be even (let's say) 5th or 6th team in standings, it would be very stupid to replace Ocon.

[@sejhnly]

Wait, benching someone for a race is a breach of contract? I personally wouldn’t think so, I don’t think there would be anything in the contract that says they can’t bench a driver. They’re not losing their seat after all, they’re just sitting out a race.

[@dflorienl]

I think that they are already pretty sure that Ocon will be gone next year (either voluntary or not). So benching Ocon and putting Doohan in for a race weekend would be pretty smart. It's very unlikely that they would score points with both cars and if the car's good enough for 1 point, Gasly will get it (especially without Ocon around 😉). So they're not really risking anything, but they will get the best possible information on whether they should put Doohan in the car next year, or whether they're better off looking for someone else.

[@gregroberts6348]

Williams literally said they not considering him because of his inability to play teamwork. Hass, with ocon and mag, hahahaha god i hope so we will get a crazy season

[@coadergrosse8696]

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[@amireald3]

I just read the thumbnail in the voice of Key and Peele sketch.. "Consequences"..

[@xtheamazingax]

Not gonna lie. I sure hope so. He’s far more trouble than he’s worth in the first place. And he’s not exactly well liked. But knowing Alpine, they’ll do nothing. All bark and no bite.

[@Jailtino-p1q]

I personally say: "No they dont"! Now where the Car has the normal weight, thei need every point for the Championship. So Alpine will give him a kick in the Ass, so he comes back to the ground and stays as far away from Piere as the Race Track makes it possible for until Summer break and after that they probably remind him again, but he gets again closer to Piere on the Race Track's.

[@miniblink2504]

To be fair they raved about Ollie Bearman when he came into Ferarri seat and his F2 season is hardly setting the world alight this season is it? Why not put a driver in the 2nd seat who can be a team player.

[@scottwisner5831]

I can’t help laughing thinking about Russell and Ocon as teammates. What could possibly go wrong? The DTS people are saying, “Oh, yes please, let’s have that!”

[@a.b.8035]

That would be a cocktail of carnage that could top Senna vs. Prost

[@kayneottley4669]

I think Russell is just as bad as Ocon

[@jonathand.mcnaughton4205]

I honestly think Doohan is a talent waiting to be unlocked. I don’t know about benching Ocon right this moment but at the end of the year I would switch them out, because I do think with a little bit of time doohan could be quicker than Ocon.

[@kyleharrison713]

There's no way Ocon has a bullet proof contract. I agree with Tommy, he'll get fired completely, not benched.

[@davidmarrazzo774]

If I’m HAAS I’m all in on signing Ocon. He gets way to much hate from the media. Extremely talented races with his elbows out still young comes from a poor financial background in F1 terms. If he was from England the narrative would be very different.

[@mememostars9958]

I believe that there is more to the plot than just a lap 1 incident at Monaco to bench Ocon. After all, F1 is very very much team sport as everyone puts emphasis on the drivers so it is more fun and not boring.

[@jackelofnar]

I think you're very harsh on Jack as he was very unlucky not to have won the 2023 F2 championship.

[@davidmarrazzo774]

Jack Doohan is better suited to work for F1 TV than as a proper F1 racer.

[@spawnofapathy]

If there is a season to try out new talent it is when the team isn’t really in a fight. Treat this like a “building” season. This season’s a wash, test their options for next season.

[@rohansaha13]

alpine definitely aren't keeping both Gasly & Ocon for the future, Gasly is the better driver, has a higher ceiling, barring the slow start to this season, he's been on equal footing (even slightly better) coming into Ocon's team. Ocon's gonna be without a seat imo

[@filippogamer2994]

I think the best way to resolve the situation is to bench Ocon for the next fp1 so you use one of the young position that you need to use and send a message to ocon

[@TheRealSonicBeats]

Its funny because Ocon isn't doing himself any favors in trying to find a seat by constantly running into specifically his teammates.

[@thatbritishmodelguy]

Reasons why Ocon won’t be dropped: 1. He’s a better driver than Alpine’s reserve drivers 2. Its unlikely it’ll be contractually viable 3. He’s French, Renault won’t replace a French employee with a non-french employee Its more likely that this ‘decision’ will be to do with contracts at the end of the season.

[@RoeShamBoe]

"1" means nothing because performance can slip or grow on a dime. "2" is just flat out false and wrong. "3" is just your opinion which means nothing.

[@weeb877111]

Yo, if driver contracts need to explicitly state that there might be consequences for LITTEREALLY DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID NOT TO then this sport needs to change. The drivers drive team cars. They need to be accountable to the team.

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[@MCKL8]

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[@PhlogPhanatic]

I agree the contracts are gonna determine if this will happen but I also think that based off what we know about most of the other driver contracts the Team usually has significantly more power than the driver, think of every RB racer ever. Kyvat dropped, Albon dropped, Gasly dropeped, De Vries dropped. If Alpine is really sure that Ocon won't continue with them after the end of the year then I am not sure what they lose by benching him and recruiting Mick Schumacher early, as has been rumoured, or give Doohan a chance to prove himself. There is certainly enough time left in the season for Famin to test his options and know which driver is better for the team next year.

[@adamcreed3166]

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[@elliesmith7410]

Alpines radio silence on the matter is the point to focus on right now I think. If they were not considering benching him surely their PR would be quick to shut down all rumours as soon as possible and yet they have not commented. Either they are trying to tarnish Ocons reputation further along with booting him out of the team at the end of the year, they are borderline negligent or they are genuinely considering benching him for Canada

[@AKStovall]

I think that because the 2 drivers are not getting along, parking Ocon would set a precedent. Parking him would let him know that he needs to be a team player, and protect the team, not just go full send and taking your teammate out every time. Every time Alpine has had a double DNF due to a crash with both cars involved, is because Ocon initiated the contact. They don't have to have a clause in the contract. you're not performing to our standard, and you're costing us a ton of money. Ocon could be in breach because he's not performing to the level of his contract.

[@jacobrev6567]

I don’t think Ocon will be replace during the Canadian Grand Prix

[@Amm17ar]

I appreciate a guy making it into F1 from humble roots. Its why I relate to and love Lewis. You have to drive over the top and aggressively when you have no choice but to succeed. When your families welfare relies on them taking a gamble on you. I understand that its ingrained in him to drive a certain way. But he's got to be controlled chaos.....not just chaos. I hope he doesn't lose his seat over this.....but it doesn't excuse the fact that he should have learned by now that when you're driving an Alpine scratching the bottom of the barrel for points whenever you can....you don't fight your teammate the way he does. Hes done it with every teammate hes had and its just a habit hes got to break. There are 18 other drivers he can fight aggressively, the fact that its so often his teammate that he pushes to the brink is concerning.

[@RoeShamBoe]

these guys do not come from humble beginnings... they're all middle class... the only driver in modern times that actually came from humble beginnings is Kimi.

[@Amm17ar]

@@RoeShamBoe Bro have you heard Ocons story? What about Lewis? Regardless, coming from a middle class family and achieving an F1 drive is just as impossible as being poor. Its a miracle guys like Lewis and Ocon even got the money to drive F3. You have to be insanely talented to get the sponsorship money to get those drives.

[@joshawott331]

Something needs to be done, completely disregarding the plan is just sad. Like why have team meetings or a plan if one of the drivers can't stick to it? Regardless ocon needs to get on board or just go away

[@NSELEVEN]

Unpopular opinion : i really wanna see victor martins to race 🇫🇷

[@walover165]

Honestly, I hope they do. Nothing else seems to be getting through his thick skull to stop fighting his teammates so hard.

[@8bits955]

contract is a thing but that have never stopped rb drop driver off mid season, if you got deep pocket just pay the price of breaking the contract and it wont go under costcap cost either

[@russellbach5615]

Being a little harsh to Jack Doohan he never drove in a real top team in f2 and outscored everyone last year when they got his car up to pace around Spa. They might want to see how he goes and he may well end up in the car next year

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

Initially Ocon shook his head when told about the Famin quote, later Ocon apologized on social media and says it's my fault! So there you go "consequences" Done! Move on ! 😅

[@peterbanierink343]

To be fair, if Jack Doohan does finish 18th he'd equal Ocon's performance in not scoring points but beats him in not damaging the car for a few thousands of dollars. Some more data to be looking at instead of 1 lap. In Alpine's season so far, i'd take that win

[@bkelton0]

Yes Alpine needs points but they are so far down that one race might be good to test Jack out since they will be losing at least one driver next year

[@bkelton0]

I mean at best the could possibly move to 8 but odds are they would stay in 9th regardless

[@Cloxxki]

Ricciardo at Renault is few years ago and he was at the top of his game. Podiums and a VERY high WDC position at the end.

[@carlosenriquez8394]

As a team manager, my opinion is that I would rather have a neewb on the team that’s willing to learn, contribute, & follow orders, than a talented person that is insubordinate. Matty said it himself, “its not like they’re fighting for the championship” a team in that position needs to work together, follow the team plan. They have to overcome literally everyone else on the grid. Sacrificing points because you want to be ahead of your teammate is immature, short sided, and inconsiderate to the team.

[@Rin-vj4wg]

In my mind I think the “consequences” was just Bruno locking Ocon ,gasly and their race engineers in the drivers room and letting all hell break loose. 😂

[@billdexhart5179]

The question isn't whether it's stated in the contract that Alpine can bench him but whether it's stated they can not.

[@gilbej91]

I feel like Gasly has been more of a good team mate. Even when they shouldn't haven't asked him to switch, he did. And Gasly has gotten along with previous team mates. Can't say the same for Ocon.

[@kamukameh]

If Alpine was my team, I would show Ocon the door. He destroys more than he gains for the team so there's no benefit in keeping him overall. I would take Schumacher, even if he is not better in the results he couldn't be worse than Ocon at the moment.

[@davidmarrazzo774]

When is the last time Alonso won a race?????? Was it really when he was with Ferrari? My goodness, that was a very very very long time ago. Time for F1 to embrace and promote some young talent.

[@413TomaccoRoad]

Only 1 of the Alpine drivers have more than 2 people that have wanted to punch them in the face.

[@kabuki7038]

This isn't the first time Ocon has done stuff like this tho. He's got a long history of being a shit teammate, which I think is what's fueling this. There could also be stuff behind the scenes in the garage that we aren't privy to that's causing this reaction as well.

[@davidmaslenka5940]

Ocon Magnussen Lineup would be so entertaining 😂😂

[@ShadowWolfe]

With Ocon's history with how he's raced his teammates, "heat of the moment" comment or not, he does need to learn that his actions have consequences. No other team he's been at has sat him out for a race, and he needs to have that happen for Canada. He nearly cost the entire team the point that Gasly got, and potential points he could've gotten. He needs to sit out for one race.

[@justinharrison9521]

The bad pr is done. There’s no point in not following through. At least putting a junior driver in the race puts a positive spin on a negative situation. Look at Bearman and Lawson’s experiences. Alpine can’t have any expectations for points.

[@MetalHeadReacts]

I wonder if Alpine might do it just purely to send Ocon a message... I mean, nice as the guy is, he does have a history of putting his teammates in the wall and generally not playing well with his teammates... not to mention the tenuous relationship with Gasley. Generally, I can't see it happening, but Ocon does need an attitude adjustment.

[@addisonsanders3621]

I kinda hope so just for the comedy of it

[@twenty-twenty]

Most justice in F1 since forever

[@unwoundsteak17]

Ocon has released a statement that pretty much says that he's racing in the canadian gp and fuck anyone who doubted him

[@Duyy21]

Many people here saying Mick had his chance and i do agree. But however considering Ocon went against the teams initial plans prior to the race start. Wouldnt we all be happy to see at the least what Mick or Jack can do if there were a swap? Anyhow tho i doubt the swap sill happen but a quick change would surely be interesting!!:) it would also help me see again if Gas is worth his spot uno?? Hehe

[@cyberfutur5000]

yeah right, "there will be consequences" can mean anything from a fee, to forcing him to watch the people in factory repair the car, like EJ did or anything, really. But a "tough decision"? That's more spicy.

[@8tonystark8]

Baguette hell outta here, Estebanned!

[@7erones]

I guess they actually did drop ocon...

[@michaellawrence399]

How cute Matt thinks his opinion would change the fans mind when it comes to whether or not I'll pay you should drop ocon.

[@cococalm]

Benching without any effect on his contracted salary, IMO, does not constitute a breach. I think it will simply send a message to adapt his behavior "definitively". However, it is a serious strike against any chances of a resigning for '25. Call this, in labour terms, as a serious warning, registered, reprimanded and remedied.

[@87annek]

Well, Ocon is dumped by the end of this year.

[@totii]

As a french, it's fun to see how what famin said has been translated.

[@joyfuflower]

40 seconds in and I just have to say: He did not say there would be consequences for Ocon. He said you hate to see it and we'll have to deal with the consequences. AKA we might run out of parts allocations or budget before the end of the season. French is very specific about wording and syntax and I'm tired of everyone quoting and further twisting a bad translation. Especially since when asked what will happen from a team management standpoint, he said "C'est pour ça qu'on vas trancher dans le vif." which means taking away something loved or vital, or even cutting out a relationship. That's what you should actually be quoting.