MauLer Shows Destiny The Hasan vs Jay Exci Controversy

Last night on Destiny ft. MauLer
Hasan Piker, Jinx, and the Issue of "Reaction" Content
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[@LastNightDestiny]

Hasan Piker, Jinx, and the Issue of "Reaction" Content ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYW5hJl-l9WFbM0

[@sammyismuff]

Let me just leave my like on this comment instead 😳 jk jk

[@cynicalgothbrit2352]

All i learned is hasan kinda looks like a willy, we should ban chairs on twitch, MauLer sounds vaguely scottish and Destiny is a streamers name. I'm sexual for drama

[@RDMatija]

Here is.. THE EASIEST way to fix this. If you are watching on Twitch just link the youtube video in chat and have everyone open it muted in a new tab. The original video, so the creator gets the view and the runtime. No idea about the youtube react reupload solution

[@YammoYammamoto]

Stop chomping into the mic... It's disgusting. You might as well be the cup in the "Two girls..." clip.

[@PeepoPlanet]

"He basically trailblazed twitch politics" made me spit out my coffee LOL

[@nick4754]

Good trolling requires research, this guy did his homework

[@JINX1441]

Well he paved it on his own dude. He took gaming and politics and blended them together. Truly a pioneer!

[@Mister_Terrific806]

He did, its pure cope to state otherwise.

[@halkon4412]

???????

[@tomtommerson6320]

​@@JINX1441He paved it on his own

[@bardol359]

I swear hasan's community lost the ability to think for themselves, how can you think a "reactor" going to cook for 10 minutes is the fault of the guy who made the video? These people are insane

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

And most of them are socialists who think workers deserve the rewards of their work. Hilariously hypocritical

[@StarShade0]

It’s really telling when even their vocabulary is poisoned. “Drama-farmers” is when my streamer boyfriend gets criticized.

[@herpderp7114]

If they were able to think for themselves, they wouldn't be watching Hasan in the first place.

[@tristenbezayiff571]

can't lose something they never had to begin with

[@Winasaurus]

I actually burst out laughing when he had the video paused and went "Oh man, I'll be back in a minute" then unpaused the video to leave. Like ffs you were 1 click away from at least looking like you were trying. Just DONT play it while your not there and that alone will be enough to convince most people that you're not just eating their content. "No dude I even pause it, I don't just leave it running, so I am trying. :)"

[@ImortalZeus13]

So happy to see Mauler come on and manage to out-reason Destiny on this topic. It’s kind of insane that Destiny, the man who argued in favor of killing someone over stealing a blade of grass, thinks that non transformative react content isn’t theft

[@sweetviolents29]

He's been uploading reaction videos that barely surpass the Jinx standard for years now so he's motivated lol

[@Might.B.Housey_]

Tbf, they pointed out the difference between theft of property and theft of intellectual property.

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

“It’s difficult to make a man understand something when his paycheck demand he not understand it.”

[@mr.negativenancy5751]

​@@Might.B.Housey_uh but how is a blade of grass more valuable than literally any intellectual property?

[@topwomble]

Destiny has definitely posted entire videos with almost no reaction whilst he plays video games lol

[@darrellmarcks6304]

Hasan told Jay: "Your video? No, no ,no .. OUR video, comrade."

[@TheSethOlson]

Only time he actually lives out his socialist principles

[@Hodapp]

What do you want him to do? JUST DIE? Personally I’d be down for Hasan to keel over but that’s besides the point obviously he would die if he couldn’t steal.

[@ryojimata3708]

Lol Hasan's basically asking to get a channel takedown.

[@JackPorter]

comrade, you really believed me when i said the workers would own the means? hahaha you fool, don't you know ownership is theft? yoink! your labor is my profit!

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

hearing MAuler talk and Destiny unable to follow his chain of thought is so funny. Destiny needs to stop playing vidya if he can't follow the conversation lol.

[@TheBman57]

Weird the socialists is stealing the fruits of that KZbinrs Labor

[@MeinMummyDust]

As a Socialist I fucking hate Hasan. He’s just a hypocrite

[@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935]

Well Hasan and other "socialist" like him are grifters.

[@friendalex7384]

I love how we're finally getting around to this after 1-2 years 😂

[@Noone-we9vb]

Better late than never i guess. I noticed this trend. Some small creators start doing something interesting/discuss new topic, then popular people find this much later and get it to mainstream.

[@C1umsyJester]

This is the ultimate colab for me. Absolutely love mauler, he’s top tier

[@DevenThaDude-xb2tm]

Is he the one that made a 30 hour reply to a 1 hour video?

[@ozzy6831]

@@DevenThaDude-xb2tm That was blown out of proportion. He was the guy that streamed for 10 hours and responded for about 2 hours of the stream and then just uploaded the vod and people were calling it "a 10 hour response video"

[@za-ir5ni]

No he isn't lol. He's a dumb person's idea of a smart person. He has quite a bit of bad takes for someone who proclaims himself an objective critic.

[@Kryto_Gaming]

@@za-ir5ni Can you give a few examples? In general, I feel like most of his takes are fairly well reasoned. He has his standard for film criticism which emphasizes writing and plot consistency, which some people don't agree with of course.

[@zhawkmoth3653]

Me too he's so nice. I think it's funny crazy ppl hate on him. XD

[@trafridrod8706]

An absolute treat to see Mauler on the stream. He's a very welcome breath of fresh air.

[@billg2401]

If only Quiznos showed up

[@speedfastman]

@@billg2401 Said no one ever

[@deriznohappehquite]

He’s such a massive. What are you, a toxic brood?

[@πατριχορ]

Long Man

[@Frozander]

Long bad man or something like that idk

[@haraldisdead]

Thank GOD someone called out hasan for just bouncing in the middle of a stream.

[@travisbrown6814]

The man has to use the bathroom and walk his dog wtf

[@70othl3ss4]

​@@travisbrown6814 well maybe don't play other peoples content to entertain your chat while you are gone? Maybe end stream for a bit, or put on a brb screen? Put on something you have permission to play? Play your own videos? Its not that hard, just because he has to do human things doesn't mean he is somehow forced to piggyback off of others hard work and effort.

[@kristianbasile7141]

@@70othl3ss4 He does put shit he has permission to play. Most of what he reacts to is content of creators he personally knows... Y'all aren't paying attention and just watching dumb short clips which is why your opinions aren't correct. And we want him to keep playing the video. We do not want to watch a brb screen cause we aren't all autistic fucks so if Hasan does leave the stream for 2 or 3 minutes to piss or let his dog out to piss or shit he better leave the video on. Not to mention that all this react polemic is straight up stupid cause streamers literally give KZbin creators audiences they otherwise wouldn't have ever had. If it weren't for Hasan I wouldn't be subbed to and watching videos of Destiny, nickisnotgreen, the Majority Report, Ludwig, Valkyrae, QT Cindarella, Jidion, Niko, Will Neff, Boy Boy, I did a thing, and many more. It literally works as a discovery service and that's why hardly any KZbinr is actually complaining about it.

[@thehourman37]

He watches it on his phone while he's out of the room.

[@xd-hc8cc]

@@70othl3ss4 how braindead you have to be to not understand satire

[@misc.glitchpodcastexcerpts6463]

Hasan (Hasin) certainly seems to skip every single ad from what I have seen. Guy seems to understand the "reality of living in a modern capitalist society" unless it's in regard to content he is freebooting. I don't get why people are so lame about this. And guess what? Making videos like Jay Exci's works because around a year ago Hasan started to actually put more effort into putting links into the videos on his official channel. Which is the least he could do.

[@SnowBalling]

Destiny's take on this is completely self-interested. Conveniently reacting is not bad, AdBlock is bad.

[@ryanwood6754]

Yep lol stealing content is fine but not wanting to watch 50 ads on. 10 minute video is naughty lol

[@Heresor]

Idk, I don't like the Adver-net in general. Much prefer actually just having an option to pay for the content. I think KZbin Premium should be cheaper for single users, or on a Pay-Per-View basis, basically how in the past you would pay your internet provider per data consumed. Right now I use Premium Family, and with converted costs of 3-5$ dollar per month, while I literally watch dozens to a hundred hours per month, it's pretty affordable. But I wouldn't pay 12$ for just myself I think. If you are interested: My current streak is a year old an I watched >1,150h according to the metrics. That is... 1150=17€*12=204€ | /1150... ~0.18€ per hour just on my account, not counting my family's accounts. Given, I keep KZbin running over night for a while, but especially for sleeping it's better to be ad-free. @@ryanwood6754

[@Heresor]

Not even including the saved Spotify membership, since KZbin Music is included

[@nathanpapp432]

Ya. This is an insane take on his part.

[@95keat]

Destiny "if someone steals your videos you are completely within the right to dmca them" Destiny "I'm not really a copyright person, like I think if a movies been out for like a year then you should lose it" How can you have both these stances?

[@goodmonson9903]

Can you tell the difference between the law and what you would like to be the law?

[@Winasaurus]

To be fair, one is "here is how it currently is" and the other is "here is how I would like it to be". It's like saying you can fuck 16 year olds in some countries, but I think people don't really mature enough for it until they're 18. That's not a contradiction. Though his take is retarded, 1 year is nothing. All it does is encourage low-quality slop because you'd be forced to push out something with the brand every single year in order to maintain the copyright. Like you couldn't have dark souls as a series because after game 1, some other company can make something shit like lords of the fallen and call it dark souls 2. "Well, if you wanted to do something with the copyright, should have done it in the year!"

[@ryanwood6754]

Because he's a hypocrit and twitch streamers seem used to spouting shit without actually having reason to back it up lol

[@TunaIRL]

​@@ryanwood6754Destiny disliking copyright has nothing to do with a person's right to do DMCA a video. There is no hypocrisy, you simply lack understanding of either the English language or general law.

[@leriava]

This is a crossover that makes me happy for some reason.

[@dillonblair6491]

Lmao I only know him from the star wars videos from like 2018

[@TheNickJames]

Same here, they always have good conversations. My favorite thing MauLer has ever done is his 10+ hour Dark Souls 2 criticism series, which was all just in response to ONE video that hbomberguy made.

[@freetshirt_250]

I feel the same , I listen to mauler every single day my favorite is unbridled rage of captain marvel🎉

[@manman-fq4zw]

@@TheNickJamesthat was probably the lamest thing i’ve ever fucking seen how could anyone find that cool, what an absolute waste of time

[@leriava]

@@TheNickJames My favorites are Captain Marvel's review and the EFAP about The Falcon and the winter soldier

[@Socrates0318]

The Longman himself graced you with his presence, nice!

[@BabudroSun]

I love Mauler. This is a breath of fresh air for me. I have been obsessively watching almost exclusively Destiny content on KZbin for a while now and...the recent content has been painful. This, though. This was great.

[@masonm600]

Painful? Bc... The same kind of lite reaction videos they're talking about in this video?

[@Goodmorning592]

Yikers

[@BabudroSun]

@@masonm600 You may be exactly correct. I haven't taken the time to do any serious analysis, I just know that my enjoyment and appreciation lately has been dwindling.

[@chaserseven2886]

This makes no sense, how is this a breath of trash air if you love mauler wtf!?

[@oyah999]

@@chaserseven2886 read the original comment carefully

[@Doncergio]

Destiny not knowing the details of the Akhila vs Sargon lawsuit is hilarious.

[@roguewasbanned4746]

Mauler is a fun guest no matter the channel

[@CathAquintic]

Destiny all pronouncing Hassan’s name wrong and acting like he’s barely heard of him lmao

[@TurtleChad1]

He's still upset he has 3 times amount the viewers 😂

[@Justin-v3s9w]

@@TurtleChad1 You are obsessed man, you comment on literally every destiny video.

[@dogesobaka]

@@Justin-v3s9w if you didnt know, he does it on every channel. Hasan, Vaush, xqc, etc, he just wants the attention

[@lsad8733]

@@dogesobakabro what r u even talking about. He was just memeing. Ur delusional hate watcher

[@dogesobaka]

@@lsad8733 well you are just delusional if you think he is just "memeing", he literally changes his opinion depending where he types his comment, bro farms attention

[@kingone9061]

Love Mauler glad to see the crossover

[@alexd4566]

Destiny’s suggestion of restricting copyright to 1 year is laughable and clearly shows his (historical) ignorance on the topic. I hope an expert can educate him in the near future.

[@Sunnywastakentoo]

Would love more details on what you mean by this. What's the historical implications here? It seems to me copyright is indeed extended much too far.

[@cool8150]

@@Sunnywastakentooit is, he is just trying to sound smart

[@johntheidiot9046]

@@cool8150 he is trolling indeed, all we do is make fun of Stevie's history knowledge, despite only a handful of us having a better understanding of history than him (me of course)

[@alexd4566]

@@Sunnywastakentoo Why do you think that?

[@alexd4566]

@@cool8150 No expert would agree that copyright protection lasts too long and for very good reasons. But you wouldn’t know, since you’re not active in the field.

[@vulcanh254]

Tbh I am in the camp against react streamers because it's unbelievably lazy. And by react streamers I do mean the laziest forms of it. I personally want a lot of youtubers to get together and put an end to it. Because then what's going to happen is you'll have all the multi millionaire streamers who will find themselves without content to steal, so then they'll be forced to actually make an effort / create their own content or fade into obscurity. That's what I want. Actual meritocracy. What we have now isn't based on merit, it's a bunch of cliques. You're either in one of the cliques or you're not. I just think in principle this shouldn't be a thing. The more you steal content the more your channel should be penalized, the same way if you curse too much or talk about mature subjects you are penalized.

[@C1umsyJester]

Mauler is a great example of doing this right. He’ll take someone’s 30 min video and that hours and hours responding to each individual points, that’s how you transform content. Hasan sitting and eating food isn’t doing that, or being silent for the whole thing. Same for Kai cenat

[@kristianbasile7141]

I'm sorry but I think you don't understand what the difficulty in streaming is.... reacting to shit and keeping an audience of tens of thousands watching you is the hard part. No one watches streamers for their creativity, we watch youtubers for creativity. We watch streamers for their entertainment value.

[@kristianbasile7141]

@@C1umsyJester Dude the average Hasan react is double the length of the original content.... he is called pausanabi for a reason. And eating has never stopped him from talking, even if his mouth is full. Literally, none of the arguments put forward by the KZbinr Destiny and Mauler reacted to were in good faith and he's just mad that whilst other content creators gain part of Hasan's audience as their own fans, he did not. Like Hasan streams 8 hours a day so his audience has all the context in the world for the way he phrases and expresses himself... not to mention that anyone with common sense who isn't disabled by autism would get his commentary, which explains a lot about the youtuber in question.

[@elfboy676]

@@kristianbasile7141 You missed the entire point of the video if you think the video was a hit piece against Hasan. The whole point is that there are a lot of people who do this. Hasan was just a great example of it happening because Hasan did a nonreaction to one of Jay's videos AND had arguments for why it was alright to have the non-reaction. As for your other points specifically about Hasan, you have to have not paid attention to any of the video if you didn't hear all of what you said addressed. Jay literally talked about how Hasan does have a number of reactions that add a lot of commentary to the video and are transformative. It still doesn't mean that it is right to leave for several minutes in the middle of a video or to sit there and say nothing for nearly the entire video. That's like saying it's alright to steal from a mom and pop store because you pay at every other mom and pop store.

[@eeyun5279]

@@kristianbasile7141you’re falling into a trap here.. individual streamers are not entirely guilty or entirely innocent. Most of them have done both transformative and non-transformative content.. the issue is that it’s all defended or hated on depending how much you like the streamer, which is basically what you’re doing. If it makes you feel any better, destiny is also guilty of crossing the line sometimes, but he at least is willing to admit “hey they can Dmca me and they’d have every right to and I would take the L”. Instead we get people hating on streamers they don’t like or defending their favorite parasocial daddy based on preferences instead of morals.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Love Mauler, he's a brilliant boi

[@donovangratton5996]

The average Hassan viewer hasn't grasped object permanence yet....expecting them to understand the nuance here is a bit of a strech.

[@Danne1886]

It's funny how his go to excuse is the length of his streams. But the whole issue is how often he fills the dead air by playing other people's content. He doesn't even try to hide the fact that he is just getting his hours in and not creating anything. Then he disingenuously acts like he works so hard.

[@alext.1244]

Hasan Piker? never heard of him

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

Her*

[@F34RDSoldier805]

xQc also had a similar reaction to giving credit to the content they react to. Like they're just asking for the 10 sec to copy and paste spam the video link in the chat or just say the channel's name and show the name to the viewers. The bear minimum and even that is somehow an insane ask.

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

bare

[@F34RDSoldier805]

@@fsh_outta_wtr sure

[@TheRedHaze3]

Doesn't XQC do this? I watched his JFK assassination react video and I'm pretty sure he says it's from Lemmino or shows the guy's username or something.

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

@@TheRedHaze3 literally the start of the video he gives an intro on Lemmino

[@humanmerelybeing1966]

@@fsh_outta_wtr it's actually "bear," as it refers to the laborers who practiced a form of malicious compliance by carrying the minimum weight when tasked with transporting goods/materials/etc.. It was a way to demand higher wages without actually staging a protest (which wasn't easy to do in the 1860s or whatever). slowing things down in one area also slowed down entire factories, for example delivering materials at a slower pace than they're consumed by production lines. also none of this is true

[@sweetviolents29]

Destiny is so motivated to see nothing wrong with content exactly like Jinx's but with the addition of video game footage that it's *almost* funny

[@Lordgrayson]

1:08:22 Actually there are youtubers that have stopped uploading cause of people reposting their content. One of my favourite channels "Sideways" who made indepth musical analysis videos for musicals, He covered different subjects in music like leitmotifs etc. And he stopped uploading because his content kept getting stolen and reuploaded so often that he couldn't handle it

[@ryanwood6754]

Yep a lot of animation channels shut down becuase people kept streaming the videos and it takes months to make them and they got no attention on their videos

[@aSSGoblin1488]

"Hasan trailblazed Twitch Politics" BLUE HAIRED GNOME ACTIVATED

[@pluribusunum2727]

Love Mauler. Didn’t expect this collab lol

[@JustAReminder]

Dude yeah I was like this sounds like mauler but it can’t be

[@Boots43096]

they've talked a couple times, both on EFAP and on destinys stream

[@pluribusunum2727]

@@Boots43096 nice yea it seemed like they’ve talked before

[@Z50nemesis]

He is sargonite , and all sargonites hang arround destiny because they hate vaush because vaush cucked sargon when shoe chose him over him lol. Thats all true btw

[@stayotter]

​@@Z50nemesisHe's talked to Sargon like maybe 10 times in four years, total sargonite.

[@eeyoremazurenko6977]

Hasan literally made the online left. If you say otherwise you are a weasley little liar, dude.

[@ihatethisaccount2774]

I love how I read it in his voice 🤣

[@adamaslondraya]

He paved it on his own

[@Bentbire]

He actually did more than that, Hassan brought the last soldiers home from the Iraq war. He then personally dropped every drone strike HIMSELF, just so that young soldiers could have a clear conscience. What a hero.

[@cod6guy12]

I heard he even gave his editor the means of production

[@frostdracohardstyle]

If hasan created the online left, then what is TYT? How did Hasan get a job with TYT making leftist content if there was no online left? Moron.

[@terridactyl5152]

Eating into the microphone kills everything. I just can't do it.

[@Yang-ob4lk]

I hate it so much

[@Warsmith_The]

I can't fathom how people can stand it.

[@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935]

I hate it, like mate eat before stream or have a like a 30min brake with "Be right back" screen with a timer to go eat..

[@SiriusSphynx]

Or just eat some other time. It kinda sucks but I've worked my 8 hours of physical labor in construction without eating. It's a fact, you will not die.

[@Erisno1]

If i had a penny for every time hasan conveys a garbage take i can probably buy twitter off elon.

[@TurtleChad1]

So you think fascism is good got it.

[@j.r.huffnstuff3549]

Yo, you got those moon shoes, bro? Because that was a huge fucking leap you just made.

[@pmac206]

Has he ever actually had an original take? I’ve only ever seen him recite the same leftist talking points and buzzwords.

[@DPKGrey]

You're right. Hasan has made at least 100 bad takes.

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

@@TurtleChad1 Fascism comes with free pizza, it's fuckin great. I love the Italians.

[@holy1to325]

I need the reality where Mauler is an orbiter but he still never gets into anything political and exclusively debates Destiny and the rest of the orbiters on bad movie takes

[@MildTabascofries]

Hasan is prime example of good looks is all you need to be successful.

[@kylec8015]

55:54 the different platforms agument doesn't work out all that well. They've moved to another platform, and there may be minimal cross over, but they've robbed the creator of potentially branching out to another platform in a way. If the original creator then wanted to establish themselves on the new platform (tiktok for instance), and they show up and someone is already there uploading all of their stuff... Kinda seems like a problem lol. Should they then be required to turnover their account to the original creator?

[@AlbinoWhiteGuy]

Honestly it’s not too much to ask to leave a link in the description, and actually provide commentary to the video you’re watching.

[@ubuu7]

Leave a link yes, but the demand for commentary every God damn minute is a hard no. Sometimes you need longer to take something in. One of the most annoying things about a vaush reaction video is him stopping the video every third syllable to give commentary on some micro degree of disagreement on framing that no one else cares about. Like just let the go's damn video play longer so .ore context can be seen before you chime in. These assholes need to gtfo their butt hurt little anti react attitudes.

[@Hodapp]

WHAT SO YOU JUST WANT HASAN TO DIE? Because that’s what your saying.

[@Jobocan.]

​@@HodappYes

[@vetobandito]

destiny trying real hard to not shoot himself in the foot since he does the same shit, especially with the jinx answer "yeah it must feel bad but i dont think he's wrong for doing it" cause he does the exact same shit lol

[@assassinfox24]

That Sargon reference was hilarious, Des was so confident only to reveal he probably never watched saif vid and just jumped to goofy conclusions. Free thinker as always. Lol

[@johns1625]

He has a bad habit of falling back on his tribalist instincts when it comes to people he believes are on the "other side". There was a video not that long ago where he was watching some rural guy filming smoke from that chemical train car fire that happened a few months ago and he was just making fun of the guy and saying "well fuck the environment is what you voted for so based fire" and it was disgusting. Like **probably** conservative people worrying about pollution is being hysterical to him.

[@nathanpapp432]

@@johns1625 Especially nonsensical when the regime who claims to care about the environment was in charge at the time of that derailment.

[@UnderTheIceburg]

I want to contest the idea that "straight playing a video game without commentary isn't transformative." How each person plays a game is going to be entirely different and this gets especially difficult to suggest when someone is playing the game in a manner that other people can't easily replicate, such as speedrunning, glitch discovery, or trick gameplay.

[@Winasaurus]

He said it depends on the game. Story games and walking sims where it's the same every time are going to lose sales the more people watch them. But things that are heavily gameplay based are fine because you can't enjoy the gameplay of a game without playing it, and your playing would be significantly different. Eg, streaming minecraft, a-ok. Streaming a visual novel, probably not ok. Because I can just not buy the visual novel and watch the guy playing it.

[@UnderTheIceburg]

@@Winasaurus Even with something like a VN where all you've done is screen-capture the entire thing and added/changed nothing, I'd argue that fair use could still apply although it would be an uphill battle. But you're probably only showing a single route, and you could be adjusting the pacing or drawing attention to certain aspects because of your timing, for example. But to be blunt, I don't think anybody is losing sales even like this, because nobody is going to sit through someone else playing a VN and offering nothing else if there was any chance they were going to buy the game anyways. In general, the exposure is worth more than any potential lost sales. Edit: Upon rereading, first paragraph was borderline nonsensical. Fixed.

[@r0m988]

Mauler's awesome. Just wanted to point this out.

[@TurtleChad1]

I genuinely don't understand how people enjoy watching Hasan?

[@AspiringDevil]

Scat fetishist exist

[@wrusst]

Citing your sources should be a compulsory minimum

[@CEWIII9873]

Can you source that?

[@wrusst]

@@CEWIII9873 my source would be any college , university or study where you have to cite your sources to give credit which is the standard in many industries, even film or TV has credits .

[@CEWIII9873]

@@wrusst unfortunately, you were born without a sense of humor I am sure you are great at parties...

[@MrShroom124]

More Mauler please

[@bigfloppa9594]

No thanks

[@DavidsDead]

Wait, aren't some of these streamers big on consent? Wouldn't not getting permission beforehand be disregarding consent?

[@Winasaurus]

They use the old classic consent meme, if you can stick it in her ass before she says no, then you're in the clear. If you can react before they tell you not to, it's a-okay.

[@HTRPD]

Destiny pretending not to know Hasan was way funnier than it should have been

[@eppinizer]

Woa. Mauler with Destiny. Worlds collide!

[@SUPER7X]

MauLer is clearly right. Edit: The Redditors are even more right.

[@johntheidiot9046]

On principle, the redditors are wrong

[@ryanwood6754]

Yeah destiny says they are unhinged but what's more unhinged the chat calling him out of his hypocrisy and idiocy or destiny banning them for making a point and enjoying sitting there for ages doing it too

[@halofornoobs93]

I love how for the Hasan page on the Podcast wiki they replaced his picture with a chair. Fantastic.

[@Ithinkjustzelda]

Love the video and enjoy watching destiny, but it's crystal clear he is engaging in motivated reasoning here. The only reason he is twisting himself in knots trying to justify basically stealing people's content is because he is doing it aswell.

[@pc3340]

Ego destiny. He really don’t see that his ego not getting big? Those comments weren’t that bad.

[@harryclarke862]

MauLer Destiny crossover!

[@noobmasterchief4314]

40 cents and 7 subscribers is 40 cents and 7 subscribers more than what Hasan gives to his mods.

[@humanmerelybeing1966]

He should give them keyboards so they can control the means of their production.

[@jordanjacksonshouseofhorrors]

Destiny is purposely disingenuous about his feelings on this issue because he could bring down his entire house of cards

[@robo8478]

Can someone tell me name of this game please?

[@wellingtonbruh3756]

Destiny and mauler have such a good vibe and chemistry on stream. That was a good crossover

[@josephkerrigan733]

Yeah, shame Mauler couldn't move Destiny on his position even 1% when it comes to stealing content but I suppose everyone has terrible takes sometimes. Doesn't mean their entire perspective is worthless.

[@robo8478]

Can you guys identify the game he is playing in this video

[@Frozander]

​@@josephkerrigan733it is a morals argument. And both points are equally valid.

[@josephkerrigan733]

@@Frozander Both perspectives are open to discussion. But the perspective that 1.Stealing content and 2. Not stealing content are equally moral isn't accurate. Just like how the perspective that shoplifting is moral and shoplifting is immoral are both open to discussion but there's only 1 correct answer. It's immoral.

[@wellingtonbruh3756]

@@robo8478 I forgor. But it's a resource management sim where your a space colony that's stuck in the future. It's pretty unforgivable but cool

[@ReneRamirez-d9h]

I liked Jinx...I used to watch him when he would react to Funny vidoes, ghost captured, back when KZbin was fun to watch and KZbinrs just entertained and never divided there followers and they never went political... they just reacted to funny videos, music videos, Ghost captured, ect...I miss those days when youtube wasn't so tribel, and you didn't see KZbinrs react to right wing propaganda videos to radicalize them. Once a KZbinr get political, I lose interest. Just entertain everyone and bring people together and not be political. KZbin was so much fun from (2006-2016) The Golden Years.

[@ErgonomicChair]

Copyright to one year is just stupid, people would just... not fucking invest into things at that point. Even 5 years? Insane. 100 years... to short imo, why do other people need to be able to profit off of MY IP? EVER. It's my IP, I created it, it is MY property.

[@Winasaurus]

100 is probably too much. At some point you need to sacrifice some fractional profit for the sake of the arts, even if you hate the arts. And realistically, how much profit are you getting 100 years after your IP is created? 1 year is also definitely retarded. I think 15-20 years is fine. Stuff you enjoyed as a kid you can iterate on when older, it's more than enough time for investment cycles, companies typically cycle through IPs in that time anyways, and it's what is already used for other forms of IP such as patents. I don't see why I can profit off an invention for 20 years but a film for 170. Shorter protection times also encourage innovation.

[@spacejunk2186]

Because at 100 years you get the same situation as with 1 year: you have the descendants of the author reaping the money without contributing to its creation. It's a state-enforced monopoly.

[@ErgonomicChair]

@@spacejunk2186 How is that "State enforced monopoly" when the barrier for entry towriting a novel is LITERALLY a keyboard and a $100 computer? That is their IP, why the hell should ANYONE have the ability or right to just steal something like Asimov's foundation? He wrote those books to provide for David and Robyn Asimov, not for some moron like Hasan to steal word for word or by name, and sell it. We writers, creatives,e tc we do what we do to provide for OUR future generation. Make your own shit.

[@based_oregano]

this is absolutely the hardest ive ever seen steve cope. he is saying things implying that obviously non transformative reactions are morally wrong, but when pressed on that, he says "oh, its just so WEIRD" weirdness does not excuse doing something you know to be wrong. most of the time when hes reacting to content, he's watching something rp/political/social that he has things say about, but in the case of hasan streams or jinx, it's entirely morally unambiguous.

[@Sam-m6o3j]

This is what happens when intellect and willful ignorance vie for the dominant brain function. You get a person who thinks it's morally acceptable to use improperly formed humans as sex dolls.

[@theowainwright7406]

@@Smakulathis

[@TheRedHaze3]

@@Smakula What gain does he get from non-transformative react videos? The only reason he puts on videos he has nothing to say about is for his audience. If he was forced to stop doing that he wouldn't care. It doesn't matter to him if he loses like 5k from his stream because he's just playing some random game. The bulk of his money is made through YT which is either very transformative react videos, or conversations/debates with people.

[@getrektscrub1713]

Am I the only one who's subbed or viewed content from creators I've been funneled towards through react content? Channels like xqc, imdontai, destiny etc have vastly influenced my personal content pool. I am now subbed to and view content from Audit the Audit, channel 5, daily dose, internet historian, Ishowspeed and multiple political channels I may have never been exposed to or decided to give the click otherwise. A good 50-60% of my downloaded music I also get exposed to through react content. In my opinion react content significantly increase a smaller channel or videos reach, acts as an imported social tool to maintain knowledge of current affairs or trends and broadens the general layman's propensity to diversify and increase their study/watch pool. A net positive for creators and viewers

[@cdubsb3831]

​@@getrektscrub1713just because you subscribe to some of the channels, notably large ones in their own right, doesn't mean react content massive boosts smaller channels. Especially in the cases where artists arent given credit. Hasan is the largest streamer and Jay showed that the coverage of his video netted only about 7 subscribers and 40 cents of ad revenue. With Jacksfilms investigating of Sssniperwolfs tiktok reacts, she's making thousands each video from other compilation channels stealing from independent artists who have proven to get zero extra views on their original work. So no, you subscribing to big channels because of exposure doesn't prove any proportionate benefit. Music is a different medium to videos because the general demand is for clean and uninterrupted audio files you can play whenever you want. The only incentive you really have to subscribe to Internet Historian is on the offchance you miss a video react during a livestream. And finally, just because it COULD possibly lead to exposure which it won't in a lot of cases, doesn't mean the react streamers are acting ethically for operating under implied permission until they receive repeated pushback and move on to the next small artist who might be unable to dispute it. You should either ask permission or have work transformative enough that you don't need to ask. Intuitively, I don't think react content proportionately helps smaller streamers with exposure. The way these sites and the advertisers push for longer video engagement and consistent output is disincentive to the quality content smaller creators are trying to pump out. Everything is weighted instead in the favor of the content aggregator who is rewarded for pushing out multiple react videos a day, who built their foundation on the efforts and talents of more dedicated and struggling artists pushed towards advertisements to make up the cost. As good as IHs videos are and his massive success, he will receive a fraction of the money compared to the reactions of his content and all the superchats and ad revenue they're receiving. And the only way that can be ethical rather than parasitic is through transformative effort.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

A distinction needs to be made between actual react content which hasan is fully capable of. He injects his own (rtarded) opinions, sites new sources or corrects references. He fundamentally creates his own content using the original as the spring board. Something like that doesn't need permission. The other sxxx he does where he plays it to entertain his rtarded chat as he gets chicken nuggies from his mom is the problem. That needs express permission *before*, not after he has streamed it and assumed permission.

[@sephrot6830]

not sure if this is 100% correct. Like when Vaush talked to Jay exci. I dont expect these people to ask literally every single person for permission for literally everybody else to watch. its kinda crazy to really expect that. And for your main argument is basically you dont think react content should really be allowed. What you are saying is that it needs to be paired with at least an analysis with of that video they are reacting to. because by nature, people who react to these stuff may or may not have much to talk about

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@sephrot6830 if you have nothing to add, you don't have to watch the video. Nobody is holding a gun to their head. If you are transforming the content, you don't require permission. You have made your own content out of it. If you want to use the content to distract your audience, that requires express permission, as you aren't transforming it. It's not a reaction. It's pretty simple. You don't need permission to react. You need permission to stream it whole sale. These are not the same. That is the distinction. The even dumber thing is these streamers no that if they get DMCAed they are in the wrong and except it. They could ask permission but they don't and unless you patrol Hasans twitch stream waiting for him to steal your content as he goes to take a shit, you aren't even going to know about it.

[@sephrot6830]

@@-Azure.EXE- Like destiny said in this recent stream, during a reaction, when you watch something you never watched before, you dont know if you will have the ability to add much during a reaction. Thats the nature of watching something youve never seen before. So its a critique on the nature of reaction videos. That is the point of a reaction, especially when you do it live. i agree what hasan did to just distract an audience was stupid and careless but that is not my point.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@sephrot6830 it's fine if that happens. When you realise that will be the case just say 'Okay guys, I don't really have much too add here. So far I agree with it pretty much. The chatbot will post the link if you guys want to watch the rest but... Yeah. Let's move on'. You don't have to watch the whole thing.

[@bestdjaf7499]

People do reaction video to the reaction videos.

[@superbnns]

Hassan literally stealing labor lmoa

[@CaptainDerty]

Destiny coping H A R D here folks

[@DrStrangelove_]

Hassan's chair definitely has more brain cells than he does. The best way to avoid this issue is don't watch him.

[@uneterostardust8233]

Funny how mauler had to pause and ask a reaction out of Destiny while He was just not reacting at all to jay's video, just like hasan, Lol the irony

[@aslemartinsen5284]

I support the copyright period thing, but not 1 year. 3 or maybe even 5 years for a movie is a good period, then I'd agree with it being a free for all. But then again, someone could just argue that they should then have the right to move into your house 3-5 years after you bought it.

[@QMan666]

I've been a huge Mauler fan for a while and then became a Destiny fan last year, had no idea these guys even knew about each other. Great collab And before anyone says, whilst being a Mauler fan, I much prefer the Looong videos over the EFAPs, so that's probably why but whatever this was enjoyable even if it's technically also react content

[@kernelofficial]

Been a fan of both since 2016-2017, safe to say this was a treat of a collab for me as well. I would say the EFAPs that relate to this crossover are worth watching, especially the XQC one.

[@AFollowerOfCanti]

its hilarious that Destiny defends hasan and jinx about reuploading content when he cried about other people reuploading his streams before he uploads them lol

[@fayelefayele2264]

Keywords "before he uploads them"

[@vovakorotkikh5161]

@@fayelefayele2264either way it’s gonna give him a fat bump and pay him out in exposure. Also it’s just intellectual property who gives a fuck.

[@thorthewolf8801]

​@@fayelefayele2264why would that be a keyword? If he doesnt care about people reuploading his content why would that change depending on the date?

[@ataraxia7439]

@thorthewolf8801 Not trying to argue one way or the other but he says in the video he doesn’t think it’s as bad if someone reacts to something that’s been out for a while since you aren’t scooping up first time viewers who would have seen it otherwise

[@fayelefayele2264]

@@thorthewolf8801 keyword in that is RE-uploading, posting someone's stream before they do takes away from their content no?

[@macrou]

I wish we could have more of Mauler in the orbit.

[@kennethfocarino7075]

Ayo Destiny, be careful with Mauler. Talk crazy and you might see a mini-series on how much you suck lol

[@calumcannon3465]

Hail the Longman, Hi Rag’’’s and Don bless!

[@frozenrabbit5641]

Destiny has pretty bad take on this subject.

[@MysteriousAya]

I remember the Akila Obviously case, he sliced up her video and condensed it. Combined with the title it was to show satire by using her own video to an entirely different audience which was commentary in and of itself.

[@dickyboi4956]

How hard would it be to just have a bot post the link to whatever a streamer is watching in chat

[@think.culture]

A copyright protection term of only 1-5 years would severely devalue intellectual property, meaning that creators would be able to make farrr less money from selling their IP to companies. The investment would be worth next to nothing for those companies (record labels, publishers, production companies, etc.). This would severely impact most creators. I think you only believe it's stupid because people like you (streamers) would be of the very few people who would benefit highly from being able to rip others content. Just because you don't benefit from the law as is doesn't make it stupid, Destiny.

[@mary1412]

Destiny over here acting like he doesn’t really know who Hassan is 😂 “oh yeah isn’t the the nephew of TYT guy?” 😂😂😂 what?!?

[@aSSGoblin1488]

asmongold is the best example of react content. he gives credit when its due and his insights on stuff is respectable no matter if you agree with it or not. he also does not conspicuously consume, whereas hasan seem to do that and be a hypocrite about it.

[@properduction2586]

Uhh no ? Asmongold neither asks for permission to react nor follows fair use…Also insightful commentary doesn’t count as “transformative”…

[@jasonbrody5270]

⁠@@Senorbenignhillarity Bruh…KZbin itself made a video explaining fair use and transformative content…You can’t be transformative without following fair use first… I get what you are saying but you can just as easily only show the clips where you add your own INSIGHTFUL COMMENTARY ? Oh wait…That’s called “commentary” and the channels who do it are not called “react” channels but “commentary” channels…

[@jasonbrody5270]

@@Senorbenignhillarity Permission is important if you are too lazy to follow fair use…Most reactors don’t and when face consequences for it(VTH vs. CGP Grey) they cry about it… Fair use is simply a tool to use someone’s content without their permission…The key to following fair use is (this is not me…this is KZbin itself explaining it) is to use as little of the other person’s content as possible…Commentary channels are a perfect example for his…Commentary channeled only use clips where they add their own commentary…

[@jasonbrody5270]

@@Senorbenignhillarity Just don’t misuse the term “transformative”…KZbin has already made it clear in short videos what counts as transformative or not and it has every thing to do with fair use…

[@floki_vt]

@@properduction2586 You dont need permission if it falls under fair use. And actually Asmon does transform the video.

[@spacejunk2186]

I would give more sympathy to game companies about soundtrack copyright if they were actually providing their soundtracks. Oftentimes, they don't do it at all, or they half-ass it and don't even include the best tracks.

[@ericthomas6726]

There is nothing that Hasan contributes to anything he livestreams.

[@faust3209]

God I love Mauler

[@TheCyrax87]

What since when does Mauler chat with destiny?! Love it

[@daasnahk5058]

years actually Maulers been in chat every now and then

[@Z50nemesis]

It's not rocket science , Mauler is a sargonite and sargonites hate vaush thetefore they love destiny

[@bakuda9014]

@@Z50nemesis Maybe vaush is just a cunt. Or, hear me out, people can talk and have common interest without it linking back to a random person.

[@muninnsays9296]

@@Z50nemesis”sargonite”, dude they had him on stream like twice and he doesn’t agree with Sargon politically. What are you on about?

[@Z50nemesis]

@@muninnsays9296 What did you think they had on stream ? and also all other sargonites like shortfatotaku or aydinpaladin and even his cohost rags lol Hell Mauler used to be a mod in Sargon's discord server and maybe he still is

[@siggi4426]

I hope mauler comes in more often Love this guy ever since the dark souls 2 videos

[@averagejoe225]

Never liked + never subscribed + never shared + never donated + reported every video for supporting terrorism

[@tnsrs2719]

Limiting copyright to a year would be problematic for all short of reasons

[@Crow-T-German-Robot]

To be fair this guy, I think his name's Hasan, is pretty forgettable. I do know his chair though. He makes all the money.

[@ethanharveybarnes8865]

"Ohhhhhh he's the guy who tick that off, ok." i feel bad for destiny.. 😢

[@roguewasbanned4746]

Idk how Hasan can get half a million views a day from making such braindead content. It makes me really doubt humanity

[@RoosterCogburnPhD]

there's apparently a big market for friend simulators. I've come into contact with this mystery multiple times and that's the only thing that seems the be the only answer for boring nontent creators. Either that or a streamer's/youtuberss fanbase jacks off to them.

[@OneRedKraken]

No idea how this happened but I am here for it! Let's go!

[@crezd5028]

Universes colliding, remarkable.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

I just don't understand Destiny's stance on the whole "just DMCA" the video someone stole. It's like you can "just ask" if you can react to their work... Not only are reactors leaving all the work of creating the work they react to entirely to the content creators, but they also want to leave the work of policing all reactors who stole their work to them as well. It's just wholly unfair and just plain fucked to force these content creators into such a situation. Your not only stealing people's work, but your giving them more work at the same time. That's just stupid and so backwards. Reactors should be thankful that any content creator would let them use their work, but instead they go the entitled route and act like their owed something from the content creators they steal from. I just don't get it.

[@FentyCola559]

Then what is DMCA for then? Lol

[@F34RDSoldier805]

@@FentyCola559 You missed my point entirely. The tool is there. I acknowledged that and it should be used by people who feel like someone is unfairly stealing their work. My point is, why is the work forced on the content creator to DMCA, INSTEAD of the reactors asking for permission? Again, the streamers are telling content creators to not only keep creating their content so they can steal, but making them go to every channel to look through them to see if they are fairly using their content and deciding whether they should DMCA or not. How the fuck is that not wholly unreasonable for content creators and completely selfish on the side of the reactors? Give me a good reason why reactors shouldn't have the responsibilty of seeking permission than the other way around? And don't misunderstand. The reactors still put more responsibility on the content creators by seeking permission. But at the very least, a content creator can put on their channel info page whether or not anybody can react to their content, or give info on where to ask for permission. Reactors SHOULD have full responsibility to find whether or not they can or cannot react to someone's work.

[@zzestyranchdipp4506]

The "just DMCA" argument is to show that react isn't an issue, bc if it was there would be an easy fix by "just DMCA". "force these content creators into such a situation" is spending 90 seconds to fill out the DMCA form according to Destiny. You would only have to do this once or twice before no one reacts to your videos. "stealing people's work" implies you are significantly depriving them of the gains from their videos by reacting, which has not been demonstrated afaik. Stop acting like it's a massive injustice being forced upon smaller creators, and even IF it was, the remedy already exists in the form of DMCA claims. This reaction is overblown.

[@kylec8015]

​​​@@zzestyranchdipp4506"you would only have to do it once or twice before no one reacts to your videos" that's not the goal. 1:20:50 The next argument you might try and say is being made is "react harder" which was also addressed. 1:30:00

[@TGiSHIllidanServer]

That doesn't lend itself to the content-type well. Reactors are clicking links chat sends them or through twitter, discord, etc. You're basically asking them to ask an enormous amount of people every day, who may not even ever see the message, or may not respond in an adequate enough amount of time for the streamer's audience to care (old news, already watched from another streamer). The most reasonable and most likely to happen approach is asking them to *at least* put the channel name out there (which Hasan wouldn't even do). Then at least there's an alternative direction for the audience, and some of that audience will inevitably let the creator know Hasan/xQc/whoever watched their video and they can take any action if they think it's necessary sooner.

[@DASding148]

MauLer‘s content is such rambling nonsense, of course he vibes with Tiny

[@axson8]

Id like to personally thank the church of the twin porcelain for this heavenly content. Amen

[@rizalfadil5430]

Destiny's video is like those subway surfer youtube short except it's 1 hour long

[@robinthrush9672]

50:00 At this point, I wish Mel Brookes was successful in turning Hitler into a forever punchline instead of people overusing metaphors as insults.

[@greenesthue1545]

Mauler!!! 🔥🔥

[@filbertovandette]

Not for nothing D, but you need to spend more time around the EFAP Bois....your intellectual honest keeps them sharp and I appreciate that...I'd love to see you back on Sitch and Adam sometime....maybe get the whole crew together on a stream....the conversations are top notch....

[@Acaran]

At 5:30 Destinys refusal to concede an obvious point is all I needed to see from this video.

[@sirgentlemanshiggy]

Even Mauler immediately kowtowed to D's point here, dude. If it's such an inarguable point, than Mauler's weak for giving so little pushback to it other than, "well, MAYBE people just don't know how to DMCA!"

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Yeah, at the end of the day it's hard for Destiny to concede that bad react video is bad because he makes money with them so...

[@roycampbell586]

​@@sathrielsatanson666destiny didn't even reject the point, he just pushed back on peoplw refusing to dmca. If react streams do cost people money then why not dmca?

[@DavidsDead]

​@@roycampbell586seems to me like a lot of internet dwellers and especially "content creators" of the streamer variety have not grown up.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@roycampbell586 I don't know. I never claimed it does cost people money so I am not going to go to bat to other people's points.

[@Boyslim826]

Why not make a system where a certain percentage of the ad rev is given to the original creator. Boom problem solved.

[@NoBody-gb1xt]

Because that’s now how KZbin works…Capitalism?

[@perhapsyes5745]

If I live in a house rent free, when the house would have been rented anyway, am I depriving anyone of property? Or just the revenue from it?