Vegan Gains Traps Destiny In A Debate Loop

Last night on Destiny ft. Vegan Gains, Pondering Politics, Foodshop, Zonia and Kelly Jean
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[@rybisznurek9977]

Ah another situation when Vegan did extensive research but when asked about anything he somehow doesn't remember anything

[@DaFifaKid]

just started, dud he ever produce the document or no

[@rybisznurek9977]

@@DaFifaKid you can guess

[@cwg9238]

destiny in groundhogs day

[@DaFifaKid]

@@rybisznurek9977 it was worse than i thought lol not only did he not produce the "research" in the end he subtlety admitted that the "curriculum" he saw was the literal one word sentence.

[@nighthowell]

“yeaaaah, well. It was a few days ago. I guess I can try to look at my search history (exasperated sigh)”

[@FireChairs]

Vegan Gaines keeps pushing that boulder up that hill and gets crushed every time. Gotta respect his grind.

[@Mazlow23]

One must imagine Vegan Gains happy

[@thepowerofmyth]

I dig it 😂

[@Blizz3112]

He's as flat and squishy as tofu... :-P

[@lighting7508]

VG is kinda cute when you picture him as a beetle pushing a Little Rock up a hill 😊

[@StorminNorman69]

I actually love it when he comes in to chat, usually the most unhinged debates

[@addnamere1187]

When Vegan Gaines said "I've looked into it" I knew it was a lie.

[@cheekster2637]

If you look at the lesson plan... Where is the lesson plan, link it to me. Anyways... 80 percent of....

[@goblin6587]

destiny was gaslighting him

[@LegiamasC-OnTwitta]

@@goblin6587sure, and you could suppose he abused and mindfucked him too

[@stepfaniehawkins205]

At this point who even cares? Lol slavery is literally the least interesting and least important part of history. America might be the only country that gives to shits about some slaves from a couple hundred years ago other countries don't even bother writing this in their history books. Why would they? History books are to celebrate people who accomplish things..... They aren't supposed to be about lowly insignificant slaves lol Seriously lol why are we even talkin about people whose only accomplishment, was doing what they were told (being a slave) after they lost to a rival faction. A slave's history or life story is one of just being a loser....... History is written by the winners and everyone needs to remember that!

[@CrawfishDeluxe]

You know Destiny is well-equipped when one of the first thing he says to him is "until you show me your sources, I don't believe a single thing you're saying."

[@Gorpos]

Oh boy here we go again, vegan gains arguing about something that he quickly glanced over and will come away thinking that he got an epic own

[@RanEncounter]

He is so embarrassed about this fact that he cannot even give his source.

[@urmum.comlel]

Truuuue. This dude always comes in half cocked with his opinion but always has an excuse why he cant provide this strong proof he saw. The vegan shames is the final boss of "trust me bro"

[@richardommundsen2417]

I loved the part where he said "I did my own research, and read one study" If you only read one study, and didnt watch videos on the subject, what the fuck does "Your own research" mean? You created the studies yourself?

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

@@richardommundsen2417 The truth is that he got a gut reaction from a headline, and started the vegan loop-chain.

[@richardommundsen2417]

@kristiansandsmark2048 it's the Vegan Gains special. Every debate they have lately Destiny just goes "okay can I see the study?" Shows VG where he misunderstood the study, and repeats that until VG starts to cry and leaves

[@Sutherus]

They were looping so hard that they created a space-time rift causing the video itself to start looping at 40:00 minutes

[@chaslyndrilling7380]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to hear this. I thought I was going crazy at first.

[@thegrimeyhole]

I hope that was a subtle August meme about the looping. But knowing August, he made a bit of a goof 😔

[@kakedeig]

Would have been 10/10 if August had found a soundclip from Ruminate saying "WEEEELL"

[@Mant111]

I felt like I was watching Tenet or some shit

[@gallavanting2041]

It's amazing how many people turn up on Destiny's Door, say they've done the research, and then at the first or second question tell him to read 200+ pages and do the research himself. Just immediately crumble. If you actually read it and researched it you could defend it because you'd know it, or at least direct to more specific sections. Pathetic.

[@llortaton2834]

or at least have a list of notes lmao

[@Mister_Terrific806]

*I'm the Vegan Gains rebound guy who rebounds his air balls lol.* Conservatives are attempting to utilize nonempirical, propagandistic, and individualistic conservatism to argue the few are indicative of the many. *Or the problem of averages explaining the exception.* *Distribution of African American Occupation 1890* *Industry* *Number* *%* Agriculture 1.7 mill 56.2% Domestics 956k 31.1% Manufacturing 208K 6.8% Trades 145K 4.8% Professionals 33K 1.1% Source: Lorenzo J. Greene and Carter Godwin Woodson. The African American Wage Earner (Washington D.C. Association for the Study of African American Life and History, 1930) p. 37, table 10 *Note:* N-word has been changed to African Americans

[@couldyou4745]

In 2023 , "I've done a lot of research on this topic" means "I've been reading headlines and tweets about this for 2 days".

[@Jekiterio]

To be fair, in some cases destiny is very retard for asking sources for the most basic stuff that is common knowledges or doesn't require a lot of logical leap of understanding. Even if you find sources people have different ways of interpret it, some sources he wont get time to dissect because it requires different intake from more than 1 or 2 sources. If you take the IQ debate then Destiny is clueless because its factual documented studies, and in those cases he fall in to the same mindset as Vegan gains where its the "feels" because he doesn't like the outcome. Its a reason why Destiny avoid far-right people with phd because he can't debate them on racial topics. When he debated a white advocate activist (Mark collett), Destiny was left incredible stupid with bad faith arguments like there is no white genocide happening. At the end of the debate (due to time) it was just an argument about is it "intentionally" (meaning he had to concede some of his points).. Holy shit people have been calling out this for decades, but the system ignores it because they want to push their retarded globohomo agenda. It wouldn't suprise me if destiny doesn't understand what "stand alone complex" is, while you could point fingers on whom are behind an agenda this has become automaticity where many people from different backgrounds are participating in it consciously or not.

[@goblin6587]

Hard to deal with someone gaslighting you and demanding you do research in real time while he continues to gaslight you

[@itzurreaper]

imagine going into a debate with ZERO sources. FUCK this was painful

[@auxcide]

Destiny had to start looking up sources for him, shits funny asf

[@pizzatime8917]

​@@auxcideit was like a teacher helping a student who struggles with finding sources for his research project

[@devontolly1596]

😂😂😂😂

[@d3waynn3]

It wasn't just that he didn't have sources, he couldn't even generalize his searches for destiny to find it on his own.

[@Mister_Terrific806]

*I'm the Vegan Gains rebound guy who rebounds his air balls lol, but this is what Vegan Gains was trying to say.* Conservatives are attempting to utilize nonempirical, propagandistic, and individualistic conservatism to argue the few are indicative of the many. *Or the problem of averages explaining the exception.* *Distribution of African American Occupation 1890* *Industry* *Number* *%* Agriculture 1.7 mill 56.2% Domestics 956k 31.1% Manufacturing 208K 6.8% Trades 145K 4.8% Professionals 33K 1.1% Source: Lorenzo J. Greene and Carter Godwin Woodson. The African American Wage Earner (Washington D.C. Association for the Study of African American Life and History, 1930) p. 37, table 10 *Note:* N-word has been changed to African Americans

[@MrAdamo]

Vegan Gains did his own research guys! Himself! He read his favourite opinion piece author with his own two eyeballs!

[@angelmartin7310]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rokingfrost8446]

Dont you dare to forget that he also read an article about it 😣😣🤬🤬

[@goblin6587]

don't forget all his claims were correct

[@nilsen93]

Ironically August loops mid-video at 40:00. Great editing job!

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

August wants us to feel a fraction of Destiny's pain

[@arramon6096]

Vegan Gains just be saying shit. "It's pretty clear to me" sure thing dude. 🤣

[@greeber18]

More like "pretty clear to my biases"

[@lincolnwillis3345]

And again...

[@Vscustomprinting]

They both are cringe.. Vegan gains owns pets Which means he isnt vegan and steven is a hate speech supporter with selective morals and overentitlement issues (every affluent person basically) Its all just the swaddling at the end of the world.. the dicking about as the broiler broils..

[@codexmachina1358]

Starting off saying "im racist" gonna be good

[@m.czandogg9576]

14:48

[@DrMarmalader]

kzbin.infoyYzbrKfv-BA?feature=share

[@boogie8586]

​@@m.czandogg9576ty king

[@m.czandogg9576]

@@boogie8586 o7

[@steinscamus8037]

​@@m.czandogg9576thank u for giving me the timestap for the scene so I can get off quickly during my lunch break

[@itskastrand]

what a mega troll. destiny had the curriculum open the entire time and made VG look it up himself. absolutely based

[@MMAGamblingTips]

It literally says: “Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation),” in the Social Studies 2023 standards. “Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.” That’s sick.

[@garfeellsagna3326]

@@MMAGamblingTips Um you literally have MAGA in your name

[@user-wk2vq9no4q]

​@@garfeellsagna3326 top kek

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@garfeellsagna3326 lol that’s a self own for sure. But I’ve had this name since the first Obama administration. So whatta ya gonna do? 🤷🏻‍♂️ lol

[@Zanroff]

@@MMAGamblingTips The skill can be applied for personal benefit. It's doesn't say slavery was a personal benefit.

[@KigerrMobile]

"i looked into it and im telling it to you" First thing destiny looked up ended up being false lol

[@casko9626]

Tale as old as time with Vegan Gains. I remember when he used an article that disproved what he was saying, and his defense was to ignore the results and conclusion parts because those are wrong and to only look at the data which the researchers "misinterpreted" but thankfully vegan gains understood

[@LoudWaffle]

What the fuck I'm legitimately worried about VG in this one. Destiny isn't exaggerating for comedic effect here, I agree it sounds like he's insane with the looping.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

He’s always been fucking crazy

[@luminatestudios6484]

Vitamin deficiency

[@JayD73]

He literally started crying while debating Dan and Pisco a few months ago he’s definitely not okay

[@LoudWaffle]

@@JayD73 that moment was gold, and he completely deserved it lmfao

[@jessespence696]

brother got a vasectomy in his early 20's due to his ideology. Of course he ain't health in the membrane.

[@kalechips5972]

Sometimes I feel like Vegan Gains says he doesn't have whatever paper he's citing not because he doesn't have it, but because he knows Destiny will scrutinize the shit of it and Vegan Gains's interpretation of it.

[@lil8iTcH]

Which brings us to the main problem with literally EVERYTHING! nobody ever talks about this either... Interpretation. Is VG wrong for interpreting it that way? Is Destiny too desensitized? How much should we care about it? Should we care at all? Is caring too much about it the problem? We need to know what a good and a bad interpretation of EVERY scenario is.

[@jht3fougifh393]

​@@lil8iTcH No nuance allowed, son.

[@EmeraldEmsiron]

​@filler2273 the best part is destiny specifically handles that, "it depends on how its being portrayed", in other words it depends on how the l people teaching it interprite it

[@foxhounde]

Vegan "No source" Gains strikes again

[@chpgmr1372]

Damn, Vegan Gains acts like he has been doing this for a decade while seeming like he just started. Like he just started working a job and is already tired of the repetition of the job.

[@nickgardner1408]

VG is a one trick pony, he may sound smart about his lone pet topic that he has spent the past 8 years obsessing over and building his brand upon, but the second he try’s to recreate what he did with being a vegan to politics, you quickly realize that he hasn’t put in the work and that he doesn’t have a clue. The dude desperately yearns for when he had a prominent presence on KZbin and is trying to lolcow his way back, one L at a time.

[@caxe7]

I mean, he's probably been on the youtube scene for close to a decade by now lmao

[@neubaufahrzeug9339]

I mean vegan gains is a brand that can't ever change. Bro searched up if lobsters had brains and somehow ignored the first sentence that they don't repeatedly. Cultivating a fan base of toxic vegans makes it impossible to shift any of your ideas.

[@caxe7]

@@Kirzan66 yah, I'm not saying he's good, I was writing a lot more but I'm practicing brevity, and you weren't even replying to me lmao

[@goticogordo]

the "i am racist, so your virtual signaling dont work here" is the best response i ever seen, it just shut downs the person and you free to speak now

[@spoofa]

Another Vegan L, why does he keep coming back?

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

Glutton for Destiny's soy and otherwise plant-based punishment

[@llortaton2834]

Masochism

[@DaFifaKid]

foodshop is a troll pretending to be trans right? someone please say yes

[@grenyena9190]

A perfectly schizo video filled with a cast of perfectly schizo personalities. Just what I needed at midnight 👑

[@seanmitchell3069]

Saved you from scrolling reddit for schizo posts. Instead this video gives us a mainline of schizo delivered intravenously to your bloodstream. Enjoy.

[@notfugazi]

Same

[@jinkukuhitacu3044]

More like Down’s syndrome v autism

[@seavpal]

Unfortunately, it's less than perfect in the morning.

[@ThinWhiteLuke]

@@seavpalyou don’t love screeching schizos in the morning with your cup of coffee? 😂

[@badnewsbears9358]

VG is shaping up to be a 10/10 destiny orbiter. I wanna hear them debate bodybuilding next

[@KigerrMobile]

He will do a ton of research on it and forget what he read

[@urmum.comlel]

​@@KigerrMobile"but I would have to go digging for it again because I forgot what I saw and where I saw it but I swear it's real"

[@foraminutethere23]

Sigh

[@RV-vx9ek]

​@KigerrSWC the only thing he could probably debate well. Last i saw on his videos years ago, nutrition and fitness were more his bread and butter.

[@ButterLord1942]

@@RV-vx9ek If you look at his pictures he was juicing like mad, I dunno if I'd accept takes on nutrition from a fucking VEGAN

[@IAmWhachanoMagano]

Not Destiny being Dormammu. August gotta chill with these thumbnails 😂😂😂

[@crezd5028]

Dormammstiny

[@GeninGeo]

Destiny really is too charitable letting people continuously repeat things with no source instead of just kicking them out of the call. Thanks for your input find your source and come back and talk. Click

[@GeninGeo]

and at 11:20 he gives up the point im skipping through this until some one else comes on now

[@GeninGeo]

1:03:00 the bad thing is tricking people out of their money through normative use of things generally reserved for people you want to signal a relationship to.

[@JayD73]

Do you not realize this is content why would he just cut people off like that then they probably wouldn’t come back

[@GeninGeo]

@@JayD73 if some one just saying something over and over again in a loop is content i might as well just go watch naruto again.

[@GeninGeo]

if they dont come back who cares they werent providing good engaging content they are just here to grandstand in the front of a large audience .

[@jmwvirgil]

The idea that history class shouldn't offend anyone is half the reason everyone is so historically illiterate.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Lmao idk if you know this, but..... "History" was not a totally chill place!

[@marcus5977]

@@danielsiekiera2006 careful there mate, you cant upset the nazis

[@acaydia2982]

Yeah, all of human history was a horror story. Our modern Western sensibilities couldn’t handle any of it.

[@goblin6587]

destiny was gaslighting here

[@tonyhacker5980]

​@@goblin6587cope

[@SenaMeushi]

This Foodshops person is doing the impossible and making Kelly Jean look smart.

[@ErgonomicChair]

lol I dunno... I don't think Kelly is stupid. Foodshops FOR SURE is stupid, yeah. But I wouldn't call Kelly stupid lol.

[@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957]

@@ErgonomicChair yeah Kelly just likes winding people up I love it

[@kevlon_]

they reminded me of xqc with their ramblings

[@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957]

@@kevlon_ yeah but xqc comes across worse than he is because he struggles a little with English

[@Breadbored.]

@@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957 He doesnt struggle with english, french canadians are just weird like that.

[@justforjacob]

"are you having, like, a vegan thought-loop?" that made me LOL

[@SuperPhoenix411]

It's amazing to me that vegan gains legit thinks destiny won't fact check him in real time lmao

[@Alex-jm3lu]

It's sad how Vegan makes any of the opponents he chooses almost seem credible by being so incredulous. Literally every time I've seen him on stream his misquotes or misconstrues something to be more insane then it is or making the crazy almost seem credible.

[@Reel___]

do yall ever disagree with Destiny?

[@117Ender]

Vegan gains radicalized me to be against him and his ideology

[@solarflare3382]

@@Reel___yeah, all the time

[@Zanroff]

@@Reel___ Do you ever agree with him?

[@genshishio9316]

@@Reel___ he tries to call himself a man, when he’s obviously a woman. He’s also ok with shooting people in situations which I would find pretty crazy.

[@TheZealo]

Every time Vegan Brains says "well, again" the claim loop restarts.

[@chronographer]

1:04 Destiny: "I mean it would depend on how that fact is presented or were the context presented and if it's a good or a bad thing" 1:11 VG: "um in that case I- I don't think we would agree." 27:25 VG: A few problems here. One if depending on the way it it's uh- it's presented it could give the idea that slavery was a good thing at least in certain contexts" 34:45 Destiny: "What would happen if we do the digging, we get a lesson plan, and it's actually presented in like the least offensive or not even an offensive way possible?" VG: "Then fair enough" 35 Mins of argument just for VG to completely agree with destiny's point on all facts. But just scream "IT"S RACIST" because he's a blind partisan, or a moron, hard to tell.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

He's both a blind partisan AND a moron.

[@marcus5977]

You did more research than VG and had receipts than VG has ever done before

[@nighthowell]

I was brought up through the Alabama public school system in the 2000s, theoretically one of the most averse states in the country to teaching uncomfortable US history. We learned, in depth, the trans Atlantic slave trade, political disputes like the 3/5 compromise, the great John Brown, abolition, and Jim Crow. The idea that certain parts of the country are sweeping slavery under the rug is a blue state/coastal state myth. It’s beyond silly.

[@codexmachina1358]

Not only that, it's was chock full of propaganda (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.) I remember in second grade, and mind u I'm a yank, being taught about sisters holding hands being torn apart as they sobbed at auctions to go be whipped in fields. In *second grade*. That shit sticks with you for life.

[@codexmachina1358]

Also I'm 32 for time context

[@dillonblair6491]

No it's not, even in the state you grew up in you had a less comprehensive education on slavery than someone in New York just factually speaking given the state curriculums in blue states have more mandated educational lessons on the topic than red states

[@dillonblair6491]

I graduated high school in 2019 in Texas and we were taught about states rights and all discussions about slavery were the most sugar coated and white friendly versions possible.

[@hialeahtheo]

Got kids that go to school in NC and they’ve never heard of the union. It’s deliberate.

[@johngamer-bp3pc]

Foodshop "where do you find these szichos. now let me be szichos"

[@CisternRumblings]

She was so much worse lol

[@Natsukashii-Records]

@@CisternRumblings Frankly Foodshop made the VG debate look good/entertaining... and Kelly bareable.

[@CisternRumblings]

@@Natsukashii-Records lol absolutely

[@kuroichan101]

The problem with talking about potential benefits of slavery is that alot of people imply that there is no chance those things wouldnt have happened without slavery.

[@inplfw]

Destiny for 20 minutes asked for a source from VG. VG replies "Just look it up" Ruminate asks Dest for a source on VG's behalf and Dest instantly provides his source and VG has the audacity to say "That's a bit of a weird source. Can you show us a different one?" I guess I'll never consider going vegan because it makes you mentally challenged.

[@frogd.k.5079]

I like how foodshop came in blasting the intellectual orbiters, complaining about how they often go off on something really specific and destiny has no reaction to. But then they follow that up with a 10 minute bouncing through half through out ideas/examples. I have no idea what point they were trying to make, i'd much rather hear about Pisco going off on some complicated law thing than whatever TF that was.

[@kenotic3246]

Am I crazy or does this foodshops person's voice randomly change pitch for a minute there? They go from sounding vaguely female to male. I have no idea who they are so I don't know if that was normal or not.

[@addie1080]

I really like Zonia, she always has interesting points and doesn't overstay her welcome imo

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

She's one of about 3 people who I'll watch live.

[@thegrimeyhole]

Zonia is at least top 3 underrated orbiters/people in this space. She always can banter well, will explain herself properly on takes, and offers a more “normal” trans opinion on those topics vs crazy people on twitter. The not overstaying her welcome thing is so true too, she comes in when she feels like she can add to a certain point of a convo. Wonias in chat 🗿

[@ilovesnow2399]

Is she that annoying fangirl trying to impress destiny?

[@MegaMrASD]

1:12:55 jeez, the change in their tone of voice, for a second I thought I blacked out for 10 minutes and someone else showed up to take up the same conversation 😂😂

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

"Hey buddy how are you?" "I'm doing well, did you guys come to a consensus on how many candy bars..."

[@theropilane4812]

Damn Vegan gains caught Destiny in a Izamani jutsu

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

no source = maximum gains

[@sghost128]

I get the feeling that Foodshops doesn't really care about this and is just grasping at any vacuous reason to come on to farm airtime/clout. It feels like the entire time Destiny asked them a direct question and they had no idea what even their own positions were or what exactly they were upset/talking about.

[@Tdiesel2679]

“If I keep talking while saying I’m looking for it he will forget I said I’m looking for the sources and I’ll be able to do my virtue signal without giving any source.” -VG

[@Tj-km7ps]

Imagine if Destiny treated Sneako like this

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

Inconceivable!

[@brando8888888888]

I’m crying bro Vegan Gains was really looping and his brain got fried in real time 😭

[@nicohanley1816]

vegan gains making destiny do all the research then gaslight him about the content of the research he did has to be one of the most based debatestiny moments of the year

[@Natsukashii-Records]

Can we not have Foodshops on anymore? Legit she managed to be more annoying than VG in this video and that was a hard bar to cross.

[@WTHFX]

I could endure Brittany. I could withstand Lav.. But VG is like sonic kryptonite... His voice causes instant disgust and aversion.

[@buddgaf1304]

Well, again. If you actually look at the lesson plan. A lot of these people weren't even slaves.

[@WTHFX]

Like I said, I couldn't even stand listening to 5mins of it. I don't actually know what you're referring to.

[@relaxandsleep6681]

Vegan gains says "Again" about 500 times in this video and Jesus Christ does he mean it...

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

Vegan gains is the embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect

[@ThePredator1997]

Why does destiny have such a terrible time understanding vegan gains's point. It's so simple. Clearly the curriculum is incorrect and harmful.

[@ChromaSoul]

Dude... this Foodshops person? Im gonna kms. jfc

[@tiraud105]

Vegan: "I've done some research." Maury: "the lie detector test determined that was a lie."

[@xTerrorApex]

Cooking a steak for this

[@rich9973]

The word "Basically" does more heavy lifting in this convo than vegan gains.

[@thegrimeyhole]

It’s “basically” spotting him from dropping the bar on his neck

[@handsomebear.]

Leave it to Kelly to defend bartenders manipulating lonely sad people to spend more money :V

[@CramStoker]

VG has a way of so confidently falling flat on his face

[@aiihop7670]

Vegan Gains is just trolling here, right? Right?...

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

Insufferable upper-class Canadian accent: "Oh no, you destroyed my strawman aboOWt Florida curriculum before I even began."

[@franklingoodwin]

That's an upper class Canadian accent? I don't think Vegan Gains is upper class lol

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

@@franklingoodwin Nice thought. But, dude is a literal valley girl. Nice try tho

[@thedatathief4313]

15:05 "WESTINY gives example" Vegan Gains: *doesn't listen and loops* Psychosis content

[@spoofa]

Vegan Gains: Slaves? These people werent slaves. Some werent slaves, others were bad examples showing how bad slavery was. Slavery? These people werent slaves. Some werent slaves, others were bad examples showing how bad slavery was. Slavery?

[@117Ender]

The black community has literally used house n word to describe how even amongst slaves there were those who worked inside and outside and most in door labor is usually less labor intensive...

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

​@@117Ender I still wouldn't want to be either one, but if I had to pick I'd work in the kitchen.

[@117Ender]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor and thats the crux of the black community that the ones inside were living an easier life and would snitch on their fellow slaves... its almost as if different positions offer different benefits, if you were the cook, you'd need to be able to read the ingredients and recipes... so now you know reading and measurements, you know more compared to those working the fields...

[@Agenthoneydew33]

​@@117Enderthat's true but are you considering that a benefit? Do you know why those slaves actually worked in the house and not outside?

[@Agenthoneydew33]

​@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorif picking was a thing I guess, although house slaves were still treated like slaves

[@theeendo3677]

I think the reason why he keeps looping is because hes not talking to destiny,hes talking to his audience

[@diivaiinthehouse1]

This

[@javanrowe3579]

Vegan gains does tireless research ready to destroy Destiny, then hops in call and it immediately gets deleted from his chlorophyll filled brain

[@ThatGuyInACU]

This conversation has convinced me veganism lowers iq

[@quillclock]

Vegan Gains only move in his argumentation is debate looping. Ive never seen a debate where he didnt go back to the same topic at least 6 times to get the same answer

[@jokersdemise]

VeganGains should change his name to FruitLoops

[@mkarts3881]

Thumbnail goes hard though

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

I'm not kidding when I say that VG might be one of the most entertaining orbiters right now. My mouth hurts from laughing, holy f

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

That's only because the current orbiters are actual dogshit.

[@agcarmich]

The older black gentleman who wrote the curriculum said it was meant to show the resiliency and fortitude of black people.

[@gregmumbai333]

That is the implication from the examples used.

[@DavidJones-ot8qu]

This feels like such a shit point though when every group since the beginning of time has done this after tragedies, as the only other options are to continue the tragedy or die. The Holocaust happened and now Jewish people are very wealthy in several countries, but these things are ultimately disconnected and one did not require the other

[@gregmumbai333]

@@DavidJones-ot8qu why would you say that. Are you saying the holocaust wasn't that bad since some Jews are financially successful?

[@JesterAzazel]

3:00 basically he's saying he doesn't want to hear it from VG because he knows how poorly VG interprets research. He'd rather read it first hand.

[@Almentoe]

I LOVE how Destiny factory farms VG for content.

[@cogitoergosum9069]

It's beautiful on multiple levels

[@DoctorCBT]

VG just shows up when it's time for him to be milked

[@Nettamorphosis]

Vegan Gains made a good point that these people weren’t benefiting FROM slavery, but despite slavery… even if a minority did benefit directly from slavery, it’s better to specify the numbers. E.g., “1.2% of enslaved people learned to be blacksmiths while enslaved, which they then used for their own benefit after emancipation” …this is a completely made up example….ijs Let’s get specific.

[@octs609]

not talking about the nuances of slavery is essentially the opposite of a social studies class. Whether or not you like it is pointless, its supposed to be conflicting and challenging.

[@lilfr4nkie]

I love how reluctant the guy is to shoot destiny a link to back up what he’s saying, when destiny goes searching for himself you can here the guy trying to walk it back 😂😂😂

[@umejiaku6]

Destiny needs to keep pointing these logical breakdowns out. This was very good.

[@goblin6587]

he was literally gaslighting him the entire time I watched

[@haraldisdead]

"You're experiencing a psychotic break." Lame. Bad faith.

[@MegaMrASD]

21:02 this has been thought in Hungarian schools for decades and it literally never made anyone ever think slavery was good.

[@temlan3042]

August really crushing these thumbnails

[@Yeet-ei5is]

I thought we were done with Kelly jean

[@patricksikhrangkur8814]

Wow. I'm so happy I got pulled away from the online left. Watching Vegan go on with no idea that there might be even a significant portion of the population that doesn't agree with him is horrifying. Completely different worlds, indeed.

[@MegaMrASD]

1:04:50 just described every maid café 😂😂

[@vydenr486]

Foodshops was being unbearable

[@RealmRabbit]

I mean it's needlessly inflammatory, it's kind of like making the argument that Jews in labor camps benefitted from being there and learning to work hard (literally what the Nazis were claiming was going on) and in fact iirc I'm pretty sure some dumb republican agreeing with DeSantis actually bit the bullet on a similar argument to that which is that the Jews benefited from labor camps in that they got to live longer as a result... I mean, their life expectancy in the labor camps was still only 6 months, but it was certainly much longer than in the death camps I suppose... Still, as I believe the Holocaust memorial people said in response, it completely oversimplifies things and misleads people to make statements like that which are so lacking in depth...

[@justifano7046]

So what you're saying is the Nazis, by cutting the Jews lives short, were actually preventing the jews from developing old age related diseases, like dementia? Wow they truly were benevolent.

[@gregmumbai333]

It depends on how the information is presented. You are assuming the information is intended to downplay how bad slavery is. But providing historical examples of how strong willed and resilient individuals and communities overcome immense hardships and can adapt the tools given by oppressors as a means of gaining freedom. That was how the example of Frederick Douglass was presented. If 100% of slaves were forced to learn college level physics that wouldn't make slavery a just institution.

[@RealmRabbit]

@@gregmumbai333 If they DID use those skills and what not to all become physicists I feel like that'd kinda just turn slavery into indentured servitude at that point... Like you're doing work in exchange for an education, which is notably viewed much better than how historically the Atlantic slave trade has been viewed... And I feel like that's basically what this is trying to do is make the slavery seem more tasteful by making it seem more comparable to a lesser evil/bad (indentured servitude)... But that still leaves out all the r*pe and beatings and what not going on by slaves... This whole thing is like saying that you benefitted from having someone spare your life after leaving you permanently disabled and murdering your entire family causing you to collect a tiny bit of inheritance money that can pay only a portion of the medical bills... I mean, you DID benefit from them delivering your inheritance to you... That IS a true fact... But that fact alone would leave out a lot of important context if you are not including the whole story of how they went about doing that and how little good it did you... And I'm pretty sure Frederick Douglass learned IN SPITE of being a slave, not because he was a slave... And for a lot of these people if they were not being enslaved, they probably would've been spending a lot more time learning skills that were a lot more useful... Picking cotton and doing manual sewing isn't going to be useful when the south starts industrializing and adopting sewing machines in factories... You won't know how to read, you won't know how to thread the machine, you won't know how to operate it, you won't know what cloths are ideal for given projects, etc. and they'll go with the white person who can do all of this well without any perceived diminishing of the quality due to their racial status... Even as a farmer, you were probably never taught anything about crop cycles or stuff like that... Instead you were just told to put seeds in the ground, to pick berries, etc... Just very basic stuff pretty much anyone can know to do anyway because a lot of the time it was stuff humans were doing back in the early days of civilization or before it...

[@b23beatz]

The looping started to piss me off tbh theres no way vg is a human being

[@devontolly1596]

Him not having any sources for destiny had me dying 😂😂😂

[@Tyler-pd9hl]

The reason this is taught is due to all the hardships slaves went through some gained skills while being a slaves that has helped them become free or others to be free. This would be an empowering statement stating that even with how hard slavery was people found a way.

[@jht3fougifh393]

Dude exactly. That's how I was taught it. Slavery was awful, yet look how when they were free they took even something as evil as that experience and made something out of it. That's incredibly resilient and I don't get how people can't imagine viewing it from such a perspective.

[@DavidJones-ot8qu]

@@jht3fougifh393 This honestly just sounds like fake ass pandering dude. Literally every group ever has done this, as the other alternative is quite literally remained enslaved and/or just die. This sounds meaningless

[@MarigoldAW]

It's so funny how frustrated Vegan Gains gets when Destiny is just asking him to show what he read lmfao

[@McFunnyBone]

"Why don't you go back crossed to Canada, with your POUTINE AND TINY LITTLE BATHING SUITS"

[@Average_Internet_User101]

Not that I'm Siding with (Foodshop), but I don't think it made sense when (Kelly Jean) said "you being there changed the Dynamic of the conversation", as my understanding is, if a conversation is dynamic you expect the conversation to change, otherwise the conversation just isn't dynamic, so it would just be a Static conversation, I'm Portuguese so my knowledge is quite "low" when it comes to "Actual Definitions", it's just how I understand it!

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

You're being autistic; the "dynamic of the conversation" is basically the interplay or rapport between the participants.

[@DavidJones-ot8qu]

You're ultimately right, and I am gonna be doing some serious mind-reading here, but it seems like Kelly just desperately wanted the conversation to be ultra-non combative because she probably feels semi-shameful about it and wants to avoid confrontation about it

[@Flyzo.0]

august making thumbnails like his life depends on it

[@Casilios]

omg, destiny muting his mic made me realize that there his mic has a distinctive background noise. everything is so quiet all of a sudden. now destiny is back, the noise is back and it drives me craaazy

[@READERSENPAII]

It’s probably noisy phantom power. If not that, it’s just high gain. Podcasters and streamers typically don’t put the mic perfectly in front of their face so they compensate by turning the gain way up. Most people don’t hear the hum unless they’re wearing headphones.

[@baileyskates]

Could be a fan as well

[@11DaltonB]

I think the problem with defining the parasocial stuff is today, you don’t usually have people replacing their friends or partners with parasocial relationships. But that you have a lott of lonely people who don’t have those relationships to begin with and instead of pursuing them in real life they live online and a large part of their time is spent watching those people.

[@Lime_Slushy]

This dude is the worst orbiter, he's just having his own conversation most of the time.

[@masonbarnes48]

Which dude?

[@MasterPMDP]

Hot take: Slavery benefited a lot of black people, because now they live in the USA and not in Africa where the Living situation is way worse.

[@rome7702]

W

[@batmanssgss]

On an intellectual level, we've outpaced vegains

[@thegrimeyhole]

Vegains lmao, that’s so good

[@jogadorjnc]

The plants he eats have outpaced him intellectually

[@robinmc142]

Wait Vegan Gains has cliffnotes? Where are his cliffnotes, when did you look at them?

[@alexwheatley541]

I listened to this live while driving to work and he had me shouting at my windshield

[@DrysimpleTon995]

That was the funniest dream I’ve ever watched😂

[@vegan4theanimals]

The reason VG doesn't sell his farts in jars on Onlyfans is because he gets off on his own smug self satisfaction.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Biggie's 4th Crack Commandment: never get high on your own supply.

[@Derpadeedooda]

Vegan gains is the type of guy who misinterprets data, straw man's the opposing view and then gaslights you when you point it out