Fallout: A World on Fire

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

The Longman may just have converted me!

[@Badookum]

Play Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas (Actual good Fallout games), your opinion on the show will 100% change.

[@ghoulsome9483]

heheheheh

[@yokesplooge2852]

Sup Drinker! Same, not that I thought the show was good just that it had some good qualities. But the cons just eclipse the pros now after Mauler's vid.

[@crazypantz3492]

Yeah please try the first 2 games if you haven't. They created this million dollar franchise for a reason

[@douglaslamar1530]

I'm excited for this week's Drinker's Bar

[@booperdee2]

funny thing about the fridge is that in New Vegas they make the same reference, except theres a skeleton in the fridge because IT WOULDNT WORK

[@billbobagoda4389]

But also you can only see the references if you pick the wildwasteland trait, specifically to not break immersion.

[@hamoodhabibi1579]

@@billbobagoda4389even then bethesda broke their own rules when in Fallout 4 where you can find a Ghoul kid stuck in a fridge because he hid there when the bombs drop (could not be that reason why the kid hid there since I forgot some parts of that encounter)

[@skeltaldelegate5408]

"Kid in a Fridge" has got to be peak Bethesda writing.

[@GayFurryFromSS]

​​@@hamoodhabibi1579at least that kid became a ghoul instead of just be completely fine

[@phenel]

@@skeltaldelegate5408 hahaha

[@absolutechaos13]

1:27:50 I remember watching a clip of an interview of a civilian eyewitness of a nuclear test. She was driving with her sister through the desert, and they saw this bright flash on the horizon. Her sister asked, "What was that bright light?" The interviewer, leadingly, "Why was that unusual?" "My sister is blind."

[@RobertMorgan]

If you read the accounts of astronauts, they have trouble sleeping because cosmic rays hitting your retina through your eyelids and skull causes bright speckles and flashes while your eyes are closed.

[@justafan9399]

That’s pretty haunting.

[@endlessstrata6988]

Yeah, the intensity of the flash can blind you if you're not blind, and the photonic release is so massive it can stimulate the retina enough that even the damaged cells get something.

[@Knightosaurus]

Nukes are closer to eldritch horrors than any kind of weapon. Their power is immense and, in many cases, incomprehensible to the average man.

[@Ramsey276one]

​@@endlessstrata6988 YEEZUS 0_0

[@kaizer4506]

Vault 111 from Fallout 4, the main vault in that game, was supposed to test the long term effects of cryogenic stasis on humans. But never mind, I guess Vault-Tec already knew that humans can remain in cryo indefinitely

[@maniadotcom6539]

It's one thing to contradict something that was written by a different team and you personally don't like moving forward. But contradicting something you wrote yourself is really something else.

[@YoitsmeitsmeitsCairoLeeAGAIN]

Guess the writers never really understood the games or even played them

[@Tuberculosis_Man]

I swear I read somewhere that vault 111's true purpose was to study the effects of subjects forced to indefinitely watch cryogenically frozen people with limited supplies. Who cares though? The writers certainly don't.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Each vault had a different experiment put in and it was the Overseer's job to make sure that test happens in order to get results.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@JustTooDamnHonestAnd why would they need results testing something they are actively using? Its like if Ford test-drove the Pinto at the same time it was on the market.

[@arcuslux516]

The mods will fix the show guys, it's gonna be fine

[@avengedlol6698]

LoversLab users are gonna have a field day with this show.

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

It just works.

[@ThatOneGuyYouSaw15]

It's not a plot hole, it's a feature.

[@endlessstrata6988]

You see that plot hole? You can criticize it!

[@marcofogli4317]

@@avengedlol6698 I think there is way too much incest, this might be the first instance where they may shy out and say "nope, that stuff is way too pervert"

[@danbrushko3015]

As an addition - Shady Sands was founded by... VAULT DWELERS from Vault 15, who got GECK's specifically to create cities on the surface after war. So vault tec basically created Shady Sands to destroy it because of CoMpEtItIoN

[@Cassandra112]

ah, the great game of Capitalism!

[@MultiKbarry]

The NCR is made up of 3 vault societies. Arroyo, Shady Sands and, Vault City. So it can’t even be a case of competition. It’s really weird that Bud wouldn’t just reintroduce his super managers into this society. If they are as good as he thinks they are they should easily get voted into seats of power. Instead he hits a reset button for no reason.

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

Ahh, the problem of trying to implement Your "grand plan" around 200 years after the first vaults opened... And you are using lackeys that have been on ice and living under a rock the entire time with a failing vault... While you know full well that the surface is habitable. What have you been waiting for these 200 years? Vault jesus to come out of the sky and tell you the time is now? This screams middle management incompetence.

[@MultiKbarry]

It would have been infinitely easier for his people to just come out and go into politics. The NCR is a democracy people are voted in. Is Bud just so incompetent that he doesn’t believe his managers can manage. I think the writers don’t know what the NCR really is or where it came from.

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

@@MultiKbarry it would also make more sense for this to happen around the same timeframe as Fallout 1 or slightly after it instead of post new Vegas, the initial threat of the super mutants gone giving them a false sense of security to try to take over for themselves with their failure allowing the Enclave to start making their move leading to the events of Fallout 2. You don't have to worry about the NCR, you switch out the power armour to T-51 series the plot would only need minor tweaks and you have a much more logical timeframe to things with Vegas in season 2 being a setting before Mr House. A better and less restrictive setting when it comes to lore infringement than trying to catch all the events that could happen in New Vegas.

[@Rags]

Watching the Fallout show almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.

[@Skifreak-nv7ej]

Sounds to me that you liked the show so much you want it to happen.

[@ianhines2302]

Hi Rags

[@AppleInk]

Niiiice

[@mattmark94]

I would rather play Fallout 4 main quest 3 more times that watch one more episode of that show.

[@AppleInk]

@@mattmark94 Holy shit, is that bad?

[@JackRyder-lh4ek]

Now I understand why the "writers" were so concerned about AI taking their jobs.

[@biggiecheese726]

In Lonesome Road, the Courier talks to a character named Ulysses. He talks a lot about the NCR (the Bear) and Caesar’s Legion (The Bull). He talks about their conflict and how it’ll shape the Mojave, but also tells you the player character about the place you’re in, The Divide. Throughout the DLC, you find out that you unintentionally destroyed a civilization there by delivering a device that triggered the nukes buried underground in the silos there. It ruined the town and caused all kinds of monsters to live there. Ulysses sees you as a harbinger of terrible fate, and thinks you might do the same to the Mojave. As you go along Lonesome Road, you see the ruins of this town and understand what Ulysses’s saw in it and why he hates you for it. At the end of the DLC, Ulysses threatens to launch nukes at the NCR’s essential trade route and a Legion settlement. However, if you can convince him that your time in the Divide showed you that you have the conviction to make a choice over who leads to Mojave, instead of being a mindless drone, Ulysses helps you disable the nukes, keeping them safe. In the ending slideshow of the DLC, Ulysses himself knows that war never changes, but he adds something to the end, that people can change by the roads they walk, and that they have to to secure a better future. The TV show shits on all of that by showing us this universe will never change, and that Bethesda want to keep it in limbo forever

[@ryudhal]

Hmm almost as if that's the entire premise of the franchise since the beginning? And the sentence that's been said over and over ad nauseum? Idk, could just be me.

[@tdog4718]

​@@ryudhalwhat? Are you referring to the war war never changes?

[@anafu-sankanashi8933]

To be fair while I also share the most optimistic view of lonesome roads ending, Avellone doesn't. He also wanted to end the NCR's time since the series was getting too civilized, since he couldn't do it outright he wrote in the tunnelers, a monster species made to end the Mojave in 5-10 years. I've now just accepted, that the direction we all want is just not gonna happen.

[@kenkaneki3873]

​@@anafu-sankanashi8933The tunnelers existing isn't a finality. If Mr House ending was canon he could easily deal with the tunnelers and wipe them out with his robot army. They may cause damage to the mojave and make it even more dangerous but so long as House is in charge he'll find a way. Not like anything like that will happen now unless this show get's decanonized but ya know.

[@insensitive919]

@@anafu-sankanashi8933 I doubt that Avellone would have decided to Nuke the NCR off-screen. Even on his worst day, he could think of something better than that. Now whatever he would write, assuming they ever let him touch Fallout again, would have to create this stupid universe.

[@goonsolo5938]

"Maximus constantly fails upward, I guess the writers just wrote what they knew." my god

[@almalone3282]

A writer from Captian Marvel worked on this.

[@jonathansmithwick5703]

So it's not a plot hole! If anything, it's a canny satire mocking the fact that this show got made in the first place!

[@Sercotani]

or maybe he's an Idiot Savant.

[@notsae66]

​@@almalone3282 So did a WonderRapist writer. Which explains a lot.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

Leslie Headlin went from shuffling Weinsteins victims to his dingeon to being a producer on a multi million dollar Star Wats project. Truly the state of Failing Upwards.

[@cosmojames]

MauLer was so unhappy with the Fallout show that he stopped everything to make a video telling us why. I love it.

[@Stoneador]

I won’t speak for Mauler, but I’m assuming it’s the combination if how bad the show actually is along with the public perception that it’s one of the best video game adaptations. A lot of Mauler’s recent videos seem to try to argue against things that get way more praise than they deserve. From what I see, both Zack Snyder’s Justice League and Fallout have 93% ratings on Rotten Tomatoes despite being pretty terrible.

[@lorfsor]

@@Stoneador yeah, I agree. I have the same sentiment. I don't think Fallout is as bad as for instance Rings of Power or some Disney+ content, but at least those are pretty much universally criticized. The praise this show gets is getting to me and I'm glad MauLer is tearing it down so I can point people here to see how flawed it is

[@snickersbaja7706]

He had to strike while that iron was still hot and people are still gushing about the show, a voice of reason amongst the sea of same opinions

[@stdamonsbeard]

@@hurrly9036This your first time watching a Mauler video. Also your saying the only option is make a terribly written show. Otherwise it would end too soon?

[@hurrly9036]

@@snickersbaja7706 HE says it himself in the first five minutes, its gonna be a long rant. This is not a well thought out,scripted video with genuine ciriticism. Its just a long rant .

[@popepisspot1675]

''If war doesn't change , men must change'' Somehow this line has escaped both Bethesda and the writers at amazon. ''War never changes'' Now is nothing more than a catch phrase , any meaning or message that it had is gone.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

It now carries the same meaning as "Get that jelly mold outta here!"

[@popepisspot1675]

@@PaulieMcCoy To me it's like ''May the force be with you'' It had a specific meaning but now everyone says it no matter the context or what the character believes in.

[@DaMaster012]

"tHiS iS tHe wAy."

[@HandsomeSquidward22]

Well, war never changes because men never change

[@ethanduncan1646]

You expect Emil and Todd to be capable of competent writing? What do you expect? To grasp the nuances that were spelled out in detail back in Fallout 1,2 and NV?

[@tribacioustee2846]

Nothing is better for Mauler's productivity than sheer anger

[@chaospacemarine8330]

his unbridled rage, if you will

[@glibfacsimile]

relatable.

[@afkalmighty1557]

Yesss yeeessss let the anger flow through you.

[@tabull8180]

That is true. When he is mad enough, he allows himself slight deviations from 100% perfect and in result gets more done. His 99% perfect is still better than any other analysis.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

kinda keeping myself insulated but there seems to be a ton of hate for the show. unjust hate? so far episode 1. have very poor expectations going into this because of video game adaptations. ep 1 is very strong. got a ton of respect for mooler's opinion but he hates it? going to watch his video after watching the series... can't imagine the show to be trash after ep1 was so good. he is angry at the show?? lucy is likable, the show has intrigue, got nice crazy incest vault cousin lmao. maybe thats why some people looked effed up especially lucy's bro.

[@Nakeethus_Hunter]

Technically the show shouldn't even exist because if Vault 33 has its entrance out in the open in the Boneyard, then the Master should have raided it for Prime Normals

[@Slender_Man_186]

EXACTLY! With what this show sets up, Lucy’s ancestors should’ve been turned into super mutants over 100 years before this show takes place, and those super mutants should’ve probably found and busted open Vault 13 before the water chip goes bad and kicks off Fallout 1’s plot.

[@IdleDrifter]

​@@Slender_Man_186 Thankfully Vault 13 was located over 300 miles away and hidden inside a mountain. The Master would have eventually found Vault 13 had their water chip not fail. But Vaults 4, 31, 32, and 33 would have been immediately found thanks to their Vault doors being on the surface in plain view of everyone. I think the Fallout show runners and writers just simply erased the Master and the Unity from existence. It's the only way to explain why there are no mention of supermutants in the series so far. This is a malicious destruction of Fallout lore.

[@savekla]

Maybe Master actually found the vault. But then he realised everyone inside is a moron and decided to just leave them alone, afraid that whatever caused them to be so stupid is contagious.

[@Captianmex1C0]

I mean the only people who really care are those that played the first 2 games 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Captianmex1C0Its still relevant, as the setting is based on the first 2 games.

[@pvt.gaminggummybear6337]

Instead of Vault-Tec dropping the bombs themselves, I think it would’ve been more interesting to have them to conspire to increase hysteria about the impending nuclear apocalypse through the media. More fear means more vaults. This plan could have backfired by having the hysteria reach a fever pitch, eventually resulting in chaos or jingoistic rhetoric turning into action. This actually would have been a better analogy criticizing capitalism, since it points out the self-destructive nature of an infinite growth mindset (in my mind). At least it’s a more intelligent analogy than “they’re bad because they’re corporations” lol

[@Alfred5555]

I don't thin it ever explicitly says vault tec did drop it themselves. It was just a dramatic pitch during a business meeting. They probably did just pull strings to cause the war to happen.

[@Liberator130]

I'd like to make a suggestion to that good idea: The Chinese learn of Vault-tec's advertisements and believe that the Americans believe that nuclear war is imminent (they don't understand the separation between what the companies of the country believe and what the government of that country believes), so they escalate the conflict further with the US responding in kind. There, now everyone gets a slice of the satirism pie when everyone presumes the worst over an increased threat that no on bothered to confirm.

[@pvt.gaminggummybear6337]

@@Alfred5555 That’s fair, but I think the general point still stands. I don’t think it makes any sense for Vault-Tec to believe that the nuclear apocalypse would be beneficial to their bottom line. Money doesn’t mean anything when society doesn’t exist. Also, I think them causing the nuclear war contradicts the point about Vault-Tec’s fiduciary responsibility. Fiduciary responsibility results in corporations being incentivized to maximize profits in the short term in order to boost investor profit. If Vault-Tec makes money by selling vaults, they have nothing to gain by causing the end of the world. You can’t build and sell vaults when the world is already over. That’s why I think my idea makes a little more sense. Vault-Tec would be incentivized to increase the demand for vaults, and they would do that by fanning the flames of hysteria and suspicion in society. Since they are trying to maximize profits, it could be conceivable that they eventually end up overdoing it, causing the end of the world

[@Liberator130]

@@Alfred5555 The problem is that their reasoning for even considering destroying the end of the world is absolutely insane.

[@Alfred5555]

​@@pvt.gaminggummybear6337 But you're missing the point, It's not supposed to make sense. It's valt tec, they're an evil company with ideological delusions, that explains everything. We even see a shadowed figure seemingly send a message to Barb while overlooking the board meeting making sure that the pitch of "destroy the world so we can rule it all" is sold. I assume that shadowy figure is the ultimate owner of vault tec, maybe an Enclave guy, maybe Mr. House or the Master, something like that. They're not trying to make money in the short term, you're just randomly adding your own ideas of real world corporations. This is a story, wherein an evil ideological company, makes a pact with other evil companies but who only really care about profits, to change the world in such a way that they will essentially rule everything. The board meeting even starts with the other companies pointing out that vault tec is struggling financially and is hardly a business competitor to them i.e. vault tec doesn't care about money, they already built all their vaults without special funding deals. Vault tec's idea of "investment" is getting more people on board, more people into the vaults, more ideas for vault experiments. It is only a board meeting, CEOs regularly lie to secure investment, vault tec is the definition of this, believing their own lies half the time too. They do need money to build their vaults, the vaults that will carry out their ideals of world recreation, this is the sales pitch to secure the pact with other companies, but Bud never talks about money, he talks about managerialism and time efficiency, mainly in the context of "beating the reds", never is it said to be about money, you're just adding that to the script yourself. It's an on-screen representation of the meme, "How can we make more money? "Money? Why would we want more money?" The joke that unbridled pure capitalism is actually still less destructive and disturbing that ideologues. You're idea doesn't disagree with the idea that vault tec just pulled strings to cause the war, rather than literally dropping nukes themselves. Only issue being that vault tec explicitly wants the apocalypse to happen. This isn't just a new thing with the tv show, vault tec was always a super-governmental, likely Enclave adjacent, plot to, if not destroy and recreate the world, to directly take advantage of the likely apocalypse if it happens, Barb even says "we should hedge out bets". This has always been the lore of Fallout.

[@emeraldislands]

if you dont want a powerful NCR in your show you could either: A. make your show take place somewhere where the NCR has little to no influence at or B. make your show take place in a time where the NCR doesnt exist or isn't at the scale of a country

[@chestermicgun]

It B. As the show takes place after nv

[@mysampleid]

But they decided to ruin the beloved west coast with their east cost shit, they should have stay there forever

[@janehrahan5116]

@@chestermicgun imagine going with the ncr win new vegas route, only to randomly nuke the ncr, instead of just having them lose to the legion then the legion collapse under its own weight, which would make sense.

[@chestermicgun]

@@janehrahan5116 wha that still could have happened, what part of after new Vegas did you not understand?

[@DrNiradino]

Diminishing NCR influence is what Chris Avellone, main writer behind Fallout 2 and Fallout New Vegas, wanted to do. He was thinking about "random" nuke, yet decided to against it. Still, same could've been accomplished through more natural scenarios, like NCR falling into civil war short after F:NV, due to exceedingly high taxation during and after battles with Legion. You know, that same way American revolution happened. Personally, I think NCR is a perfect example of what original Fallout series was all about - human ability to persevere any disaster and bounce back even stronger. In a way, Fallout 2 was one of a few post-post-Apocalypse game, with more focus on rebuilding of civilization, then destruction of nuclear war. And then Bethesda came with their hack of a writers, to whom post-apocalypse city is built out of garbage, nobody can clean up even simple rubble, farming is impossible and nearby shops were not looted throughout 200 years that passed since the war. Oh, and Paladins vs Orks, how can I forget about freaking BoS and Mutants that are everywhere.

[@Calbeck]

The best part of the "Bud's Buds" plan? The NCR was founded by OTHER former Vault dwellers. So were many other topside civilizations that Bud and his Buds were apparently never told about by Vault-Tec.

[@SuperRPGgamer]

Oh bloody… You right

[@gringles]

Yep. They gave Vault 15 cold fusion technology that could replicate matter, purify water etc. and that same cold fusion technology was used to create Shady Sands.

[@dotfflan]

Fucking this I thought it was weird the second i saw it

[@IdleDrifter]

The cold fusion technology plot in the show doesn't make sense. Since micro fusion technology is well established in every single game. Powering vaults, cities, weapons, and even vehicles. The Holy GECK from Fallout 2 could cleanse the wasteland and rejuvenate the soil for planting crops. Thanks to its micro fusion technology. It also came with a pen light. Vault 8, and eventually Vault 13, used their GECK to establish their city. They ran into the problem of needing electrical power to expand. Also, there was radiation leaking into the ground water. You go to Gecko to find a power plant still in operation by Ghouls. You had the choice of destroying it or fixing it. By fixing it. Vault City would be able to expand and turn into a regional power. This would help in negotiating with NCR and keep the Mob bosses running New Reno at bay. The control Vaults are working as designed. Who would have thought otherwise? But Bethesda and Amazon would just nuke it out of existence. Because they want a Mad Max setting. Forgetting that there were settlements and towns with functioning economies, government, courts, and police forces. It was out in the wasteland and on the roads where you ran into motorized gangs. Which were led by brutal men like Toe Cutter and Lord Humongous. The irony of the show hating capitalism. Freetrade, contracts, and capitalism exist after the apocalypse.

[@baronsengir187]

Of course they were never told by Vault-Tec. That was always the case.

[@Nickle_King]

"Why not make everyone dumb?" When life imitates art.

[@dr.martinlutherpepe]

More "write what you know" I imagine

[@csgraffiti]

trying to find that interview, anyone know?

[@tjroelsma]

When writers admit they're not able to create characters that are smarter than they themselves are......... Many years ago I heard someone say "know your limitations", a message that seems to capture most modern-day writers perfectly, as they don't seem to have a single clue what words like story, plots, subplots, continuity, characters and dialogue, you know, your basic storytelling elements, actually mean.

[@morthim]

​@@dr.martinlutherpepe the joke of the comment was that mauler sounds stupid in his criticism. he is the life, and the OC is the art.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

If that's a quote from one of the show writers, then wow, what a huge red flag. Anyone saying that during a job interview for a writer should have been weeded out before the show's writing even started.

[@Theparadoxd7]

"There's a lot of money to be made at the end of the world" From who? FROM WHO?!??! THEY'RE ALL DEAD AND MONEY'S GONE.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

the writers are communists, they don't understand how capitalism works

[@samuellund1377]

They did House so dirty...

[@rickiecomeaux8287]

The people that are building bunkers now, that's who. Examples: Bezos, Musk, Zuckerboy, etc.

[@chaseryans4808]

So it all becomes….Dead Money?

[@joshuakim5240]

The irony too is that Fallout 76 was advertised with this show, and one of the main quest plots of that game is all about how money is worthless in a post-apocalypse economy so a new currency standard has to be set. House of all people even knows this and rebuilt New Vegas around post-apocalypse currencies, because pre-war money has no value.

[@rictusmind2772]

I still think it's funny how everyone overlooks how old Moldaver is. She's not a ghoul, how is she over 250 y/o? Was she frozen for all that time?

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

No, there's not confirmation she was frozen, we're just suppose to ASSUME that lol.

[@clintthrustmaster]

@@InlandDiscoEmpire Fuck all is confirmed in this. They don't explain anything and none of it feels like it's getting explained later, it feels like they think they explained it enough.

[@dangerousrobot9692]

That was one of the first things I thought. "Wait how it she alive both now and during the blast?

[@TealWolf26]

​@@dangerousrobot9692Todd Howard: Yes.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

Mystery box! What’s in the box!

[@BeepBopBoop303]

That minigun really failed to hit an old dude doing a mild shuffle with 200 rounds

[@OKMBVideos]

It should have been moved back 30-40 feet (a sizeable distance), but that's shockingly accurate to the games and in-line with how robots tend to function in this universe - poorly. Turrets in 3 hit 1 shot out of a 10 shot burst at a range of about 10-15 feet. I know, because I played it after I watched the show.

[@deadshotkiller5899]

​@@OKMBVideos the turrets in fallout 4 still hit you and can kill you. The shows writing sucks that not even a bullet grazed him. That just physically impossible to not hit at a target that slow.

[@Hollow_Phoenix]

Yeah I wish they had changed something to make that possible, like shooting its targeting chip. Easy fix.

[@The1337guy1]

@@deadshotkiller5899 I distinctly remember turrets in both New Vegas and 4 absolutely beaming me on Very Hard and hardcore. Lesser models weren't terribly threatening but past the Mk.1s they're extremely dangerous and will shred even power armor within seconds.

[@yokesplooge2852]

On top of that not a single Enclave soldier was able to capture said old dude mildly shuffling away.

[@jackchipper7458]

Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for an unbridled rage on fallout

[@TweeterAndTheMunkyMan]

👏👏👏👏👏👏 Well played sir, well played 😂😂😂

[@margaretwood152]

[{☢}] *_FALLOUT_* was Ußer Radiøactive-levels oƒ *_§HITE._* ☢💀☠💩💩💩☠💀☢

[@ThatGuySizzleMac]

The troops should have just stayed in Baja. Todd and the other Nolan will just destroy New Vegas and Shandy Sands anyways.

[@Super_Ammo]

Making the real points.

[@Megatron_95]

Agreed

[@youtubeisnotsocialmedia]

Robert House, owner of Rob Co., proprietor of the Lucky 38 Casino and Hotel, determined that nuclear war between the United States and China was inevitable. He had installed anti-nuke defense systems across the continental US, which would go on to intercept all but twelve nuclear bombs launched by China. House was profit-driven, yes, but he would never have agreed, even slightly, that nuking America would be in any way helpful to anyone. New Vegas does not happen in this show. Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo are impotent manchildren who are upset that the Black Isle team made Fallout so beloved.

[@ibrahimalee23]

House never once 'agreed' with the plan to nuke the US. He keeps silent during most of the meeting when they start bringing up nuking the country for profit, nor does he ever agree with it. Todd and Emil are a lot of things, but they aren't vindictive or petty. They don't do things to spite content made by people they dislike nor do they dislike what remains of the Black Isle Team or Obsidian.

[@ghoulsome9483]

​@@ibrahimalee23even assuming he wasn't agreeing with anything, why isn't he arguing back? They are talking about genocide and he has no backbone to disagree? That ain't House.

[@23Raind]

​@@ibrahimalee23 I am not going to assign motive to anyone, but New Vegas portrayed house as using various predictive models and calculations to determine that nuclear war between America and China was inevitable and when it would happen. The show is either misdirecting us, or is showing us that House new about doomsday because Vault tec told him it would happen and had an inside scoop on when (presumably). Which means House was not able to save New Vegas due to his incredible intelligence but because Vault tec gave him inside information because they wanted his money. Regardless of whether or not we can say "technically House never said he supports their choice" it still does at the least mean House has withheld information and in doing so paints himself in a better light than the retcon Canon does.

[@almalone3282]

​@@23RaindYour writing for the writer. Never do that.

[@ButtSolution]

@@ghoulsome9483 I mean, I guess it's possible that he doesn't want to reveal his intentions to the psychos he's sharing the room with. But then again, here I am writing for the writers.

[@eidolon1426]

The Fallout writers: "I wish we could go back to the *90's* perspective on capitalism." The 90's perspective on capitalism; "There is no money to be made in the end of the world." ~Kingpin, 90's Spider-Man cartoon.

[@SvendleBerries]

Yeah, at that point, the bartering system comes back. Nobody is going to care how much "money" you have lol Its worthless now. Either have something I want to trade for what you need, or gtfo! Well, okay, money wouldnt be "worthless". Could still be used for kindling. Or snorting what that nice man behind the dumpster said was cocaine.

[@henocksherlock3340]

Corporatists' "capitalism bad" stories will never not be cringe

[@Skaldy1]

I dont about everyone else but i am against all these new gibberish, presented under "rebranding" last 20 years. I mean 20 years ago i wrote a thesis and presented a new perspective on capitalism communism and looking at it now, it is cringe, my professor told me" You cant rediscover Americas. I sense you have good intentions about it but it is better you come up with your own solutions." And this commentary changed all my views on life. Right now i am looking at all these new stuff pushed around, i mean obviously these people are trying to rediscover Americas, but way they do it is feels like degradation. I equally dont enjoy capitalism and communism but even i feel like i need to defend these ideas against these people so we can maintain healthy discourse.

[@Calbeck]

Oh, another fun fact: the BoS member Max sees right after the nuke goes off at Shady Sands? That's the EAST COAST BROTHERHOOD logo on his chest armor. The East BoS is the only chapter of the entire BoS which puts the largest gear to the RIGHT of the sword - all others, including West Coast, put it on the LEFT. Why does that matter? Because whether the nuke went off in 2277 or 2281, the East Coast BoS was still stuck in DC fighting Super Mutants. Maxson had not yet risen to command it and would not for years after. They had no ability to go back West, and did not have the Prydwen yet. But per Todd Howard, in order to resolve the "2277 nuke problem", the nuke happened right after the events of New Vegas - in 2281. This show has a Brotherhood in it that CANNOT be in it without retconning both Fallout 3 and 4.

[@dorianshepard2841]

The nuke on shady sands going one or after 2281 like Todd said would also change the ages of Max and Lucy making them barely 21 at time of show

[@richter6699]

Great catch

[@Kintabl]

Hey! They are very careful about timeline.

[@TurKlack]

And than you have the morons that just ... eat it all up and nod to everything Todd says. Ha... Padmes Line "This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause." can be applied to Fallout. Just swap Liberty with Fallout :D

[@USSMariner]

Probably overworked editors flipping footage without realizing that the result is actually lore relevant.

[@thebeandemon3449]

“Don’t eat diarrhoea just cus there’s corn in there” is an unbelievably hard statement 💀

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I think you meant "soft"

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

fun fact, it isnt corn in your poop. its the little membrane that surrounds the corn filled with poop

[@serberus5233]

"Don't drink urine just cus there's protein in there."

[@Darkington]

​@@kreenbopulusmichael7205That's actually quite a fitting allegory for this show.

[@gunargundarson1626]

Sorry, but it's actually a runny statement since it has no solids.

[@Darkington]

Remember, in The Walking Dead, when The Governor kept his zombie daughter as a pet and that was shocking and disturbing? That's Moldaver.

[@fffx2]

Except ghouls aren't zombies

[@max7971]

@@fffx2 ferals are

[@albertocruzado2899]

Yeah, back there it was presented as the disturbed actions of a deeply disturbed man trying to uphold to himself the decomposed fiction of his own humanity. A monster fooling himself pretending he was still a caring father and a community leader, when he was actually a vicious violent mad man. Here, we have the vicious and disturbed mad person and the community leader, but the story doesnt seem to recognize the first aspect as a fact while elevating the second aspect as the truth of the character.

[@billjacobs521]

@@max7971 To Bethesda, yeah.

[@65firered]

​@@fffx2Not according to Bethesda.

[@drekwilliamton5830]

With the whole no vision in the ' evil capitalist sitting around cliche table',making experimental vaults scene, the original vision for the vaults were to research conditions for living in space. That was the end goal, rather just staying on earth. That was going to be released in the next Fallout game but the original publisher went bankrupt. Tim Cain talks about it on his channel

[@Mer0lk]

Do you remember what the video is called? Love hos videos but haven't watched them in a while.

[@outlawquelshingdixienothin8893]

Also in the non canon tactics and fallout bible we learn the enclave retreated the bases all over the world.

[@seangdovic4967]

They should’ve wrote the boardroom scene like this: “After all, there’s a lot of money to be made at the end of the world.” *Pan the camera around, show the confused looks of everyone else at the table. “Think about it… What is the one thing getting in the way between us and the money?… The customers themselves! If we get rid of all the customers… then it’s just us… and the money!” *Pan the camera around again, show everyone else clapping and calling them a genius.

[@VitaliyMilonov]

Fucking genius!

[@drdino2002]

Just because that's how you view modern capitalism (fair) doesn't mean you gotta awkwardly jam it into your show where the focus is supposed to be on War not Capitalism. It's like for all the "Hey look it's Fallout!" moments this show is stuffed to the brim with, they still managed to forget they were making a Fallout show.

[@Cherokeechuck9]

Yeah that doesn't sound regarded at all

[@seangdovic4967]

@@drdino2002 Yeah, I was just saying, if you are going to have dumb commentary, at least be self-aware of how dumb it is. My example pushes the stupidity to the extreme, which if you’re gonna do it, that is how you should do it. Not genuinely playing it seriously like they do in the show. Plus, I personally think the show bashing capitalism is a bit hypocritical since it’s clear that nepotism is the only reason the writers have their jobs lol

[@seangdovic4967]

@@Cherokeechuck9 Yeah, it’s better to make a joke out of how dumb it is tho… instead of trying to actually play it seriously like they do.

[@chrisbj5251]

Besthesda Fallout: "War, war never changes... " (Stuck in a loop) Interplay/Obsidian Fallout: "War never changes... Men do, through the roads they walk." (Closing the phrase with a hopeful tone and moving on) Edit: Don't engage with the bots in the comments.

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

Based

[@grimjoker5572]

Except 1 and 2 build up the Brotherhood only for New Vegas to be like "yeah that one town that was barely hanging on without your help? It's now the big main thing and the Brotherhood is gone." Which is why New Vegas got *EXACTLY* the same flak. Just less vocally because the original games were cult classics and not actually popular.

[@friedtoads13]

@@grimjoker5572damn that's crazy to think about actually. i'm not a lore guy so i know very little abt the first 2 games. interested to see what they're like after i beat fallout nv and 3. i grew up w fallout 4 and am running back the old ones.

[@25-2five2]

​@@grimjoker5572the brotherhood barely have a presence in fallout 2, the NCR were already the largest faction in California at that point The NCR is also mentioned in Shady Sands ending in the first game

[@grimjoker5572]

@@25-2five2 and yet they are still in Fallout 2, still being built up as one of the pillars of civilization returning only for New Vegas to tear them down. Even though they were getting along with the NCR. I remember both Fallout 3 fans and fans of 1 and 2 being quite peeved about this.

[@MrNinjaBurger]

You know all they had to do was have House reject the proposal, or ask for a delay to think about it, and then when he leaves the others say that they can't count on him, and launch the nukes a week early which ties in to what House says in NV. That way at least they didn't damage him.

[@ibrahimalee23]

Tbf, House never mentions being on board with the nuking. He just sits there quietly while all the other execs are chatting up the vault experiments.

[@kadalsaurus6232]

@@ibrahimalee23 its still make him dumb, since house tell us he predicted the Nuke but never tell us about vault-tec intention about "the Profit"

[@ibrahimalee23]

@kadalsaurus6232 He probably just omitted that detail to feed into his own arrogance and present himself as intellgent and foresightful to the player. His ego is a defining characteristic of his personality.

[@nobody2996]

@@ibrahimalee23 House wouldn't omit that detail. If he was in the meeting for the nukes, he'd brag to the player about how dumb and wasteful Vault Tech were. He will freely go into details without regard for how they could make him look, he would not hide a detail that big.

[@SarumanOrthanc]

We still don't know if Vault-Tec started the war. We just know they were willing to do so. The unfinished vaults in previous games and the Ghoul and his daughter not being in a vault on the day of the bombings would suggest it wasn't provoked by Vault-Tec.

[@businessburd2071]

I hate how people use satire as an excuse to be stupid. Satire requires more effort and intelligence to be done right than people think. Something being stupid is not satire, it's bad writing.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Want to see satire done right, go watch a Mel Brooks or Paul Verhoeven movie outside of Starship Troopers.

[@alexyoon-sungcucina7895]

I don't think satire is the proper term. Fallout is camp, and ridiculousness works in camp (Hawkmen, dive!)

[@krish698]

Okay satire police sorry, clearly you can see the bad writing way better than us plebs from your high horse.

[@dannyknightblade4592]

True, the term "satire" gets used a lot nowadays to defend bad writing.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

Satire is relative, but if you don’t land it with your audience, then you failed to deliver

[@jonbaxter2254]

That's the problem every time you have a "villain" be secretely good ast the end. Because they usually act truly villanious when we first see them to throw them off our scent, and act redeemed after we know they're good. But they still killed, maimed and brutalised people? What, were they keeping cover? They still did those things!

[@ryanedioma2133]

Only female villains tho.

[@Scott100W]

She is not a 'good' character as evidenced by how she does things, she's more of a 'I'll do whatever it takes to achieve my ultimate goal' kind of character.

[@solex21212125]

The NCR has never been unilaterally good.

[@ibbyseed]

I don’t think she’s supposed to be “good” that’s not how the characters are portrayed. no one is good or bad. All these people do fucked up things and they all think they are good. that’s the whole point

[@gohantrinity]

People keep misunderstanding Lee Moldaver. MauLer too apparently . Look It's implied that Rose became Moldavers significant other. And while she may want to save humanity as a whole, that doesn't mean she's above personal revenge. Wanting to save humanity, and wanting personal revenge; often go hand in hand in story telling. And considering her oldest enemy is Vault Tech, and that Hank is also Vault Tech; it makes perfect sense, from her perspective at least; to get revenge on both Vault Tech and Hank at the same time. And the best way to do that, is to have her men slaughter Vault Techs carefully cultivated populace; right in front of them. And you've got to remember that Moldaver is used to the wasteland by now, especially after Shady Sands and Rose. Which means that at this point, she probably doesn't really care if Lucy and her brother end up dying; blinded by vengeance as she is, because they're also *Hanks* kids. And seeing Hank suffer, while also getting that code from him; is her ultimate goal during that attack. Hypocrisy is like violence, if you only let your enemies use it; they win. - Lee Moldaver

[@drspoon6838]

So let me get this straight. The show is pretty much saying The GECK isnt a thing? Since The GECK originally has a miniaturized version of a cold fusion device to power the machines that would terraform and scrub out the toxins from the air, soil, and water in a small city size area.

[@gringles]

I don’t think that was the intention, I think they just wanted to force their “OC:do not steal” character, Moldaver, into the lore via the “I wanted to give people free energy but the capitalists stopped me” plot. They could just ignore the lore about G.E.C.K devices since it wouldn’t have to come up in the story. The G.E.C.K is ingrained in the story because Shady Sands was created using a….wait never mind, they teleported Shady Sands. This is all Toddslop, we can forget about the G.E.C.K’s after all.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Also, and correct me if i’m wrong, but aren’t Microfusion Cells and Fusion Cores supposed to be cold fusion? “Cold” fusion is a bit of a misnomer, it’s not exactly “cold,” it’s just not hot enough to immediately roast you if you’re anywhere near it, it’s only “cold” by the standards of nuclear fusion.

[@kenkaneki3873]

That is what I was saying too! Moldover didn't invent cold fusion, cold fusion already existed in the GECK

[@gringles]

@@Slender_Man_186 Cold fusion is meant to be a step up from the cores currently in use at the time of the Resource War. The show messes up by telling us that Vault Tec wanted to hoard it for profit, while the old lore states that the United States government was seeking a solution to the energy crisis. They really wanted to get their “capitalism bad” message out there.

[@gringles]

@@kenkaneki3873 Yep, they shoehorned Moldaver into it just like they had to tell us why the Vault Boy gives a thumbs up. This is the Han Solo last name origin scene, this is the revisions made to the lore of Doctor Who again, it’s people placing their monuments on other creators territory and proclaiming, “We bought the rights to say that this is the TRUE origin of x,y,z.” Putting their sticky little finger prints all over this stuff.

[@Metalsforge]

I think this is the second time I was used as a nipple cover in a video

[@ZontarDow]

And it won't be the last

[@kadalsaurus6232]

lewd mootal

[@SDDF14]

oh look it's nipple cover, sorry I mean metal cover... f**k I mean nipplesforge.

[@sparkypack]

Metal's ******? O_O

[@tabull8180]

Its very important job, you should be proud

[@useyourimaginasean]

The brotherhood of steel is Todd’s favorite faction, so of course they have to be front and center

[@VitaliyMilonov]

I thought his favorite faction was Enclave. Avellone even said that Todd "apparently had a large hard-on" for the Enclave.

[@isauldron4337]

​@@VitaliyMilonovisn't the enclave a remnant nowadays in Lore?

[@VitaliyMilonov]

@@isauldron4337 Todd: DIDN'T HEAR YOU. TRY LOUDER!!!

[@happynihilist2573]

The faction that he changed the most and basterdised the hardest

[@isauldron4337]

@@VitaliyMilonov ah i get it now

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Most angry boys would just pee on the wall (apparently), Mauler was bullied into making a 2.5 hour video breakdown of how bad this show is. Respect!

[@insensitive919]

Unga bunga.

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Making a 2.5 hour video about a show you didn't care about just to prove a couple of your good friends wrong after having an argument on a stream isn't respectable. It's cringe small dick energy.

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Making a 2.5 hour video about a show you don't actually care about which is based on a property you don't really engage with all because a couple of friends disgreed with you on a live stream isn't respectable. It's cringe small pee-pee energy.

[@Saeronor]

@@captbuckyohare5585 *"a show you don't actually care about"* *"a property you don't really engage with"* *"because a couple of friends disgreed with you on a live stream"* Did you get your Armchair Psychobabble diploma from Cringe Small Pee-Pee University?

[@Palora01]

@@captbuckyohare5585 lol, I can't believe we live in a world where people taking the time and effort to explain their points of view using logic and facts and then uploading that for youtube money and our enjoyment is seen as cringe. God damn somebody really drop the ball on educating their kids.

[@WORSTSUBBER]

What gets me about the show (and Bethesda's Fallout) is that they're so intent on setting it 200+ years after the bombs fell. The USA is massive. You could write a story set around (or before!) the time of Fallout 1 in a different part of the country without having to contradict anything. You'd get your Mad Max wasteland without having to lock the whole thing in an inexplicable purgatory.

[@Imp_MM]

But then Bethesda wouldn't be able to sniff their own farts by referencing things they previously "created".

[@TheKingoftheAWESOME]

That’s what I don’t understand about this show, it could be its own true story but nope Todd Howard wants to ruin the good Fallout games

[@basedggallin4556]

Bethesda has no good writers left that have to re use the same old shit

[@basedggallin4556]

@AnoneemusNoename Bethesda has just been shit for over 15 years

[@Slender_Man_186]

@basedggallin4556 that’s actually the worst part, they *do* have at least one good writer left, last I checked anyway Michael Kirkbride is still working for them, but they kinda don’t really let him write anything (or give him all of the cocaine that he needs to create more of that Morrowind era insanity).

[@johnbyrne4256]

So many people who live in the wasteland speak like they aren't actually from the wasteland.

[@Soapy-chan]

Oi, whadya mean buddy, das pretty offensive to say that everyone sounds the same in the desert, you wot mate

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

NCR heartland shouldn't be a wasteland to begin with. But somehow it looks less civilized than F4 Commonwealth

[@whitworth5s248]

@@freevertibirdrides7437 Todd's understanding of lengths of time rivals JJ's understanding of distances between planets and star systems in space.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@freevertibirdrides7437 nah bro just ignore Junktown, The Hub, Boneyard, Neceopolis, San Diego, San Fran, Arroyo, Vault City, New Reno, Redding, and Dayglow, you’re just nitpicking and obviously 11 other whole ass cities couldn’t possibly make a difference. Yes this is sarcasm.

[@freevertibirdrides7437]

@Slender_Man_186 exactly, just like in real life! Remember how Japan seized to exist after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and its people returned to Stone Age? Legends say that Japanese are living in caves and shacks made from scrap up until this day. This show has totally nailed it. Anyone who criticizes this masterpiece is obviously a toxic, gatekeeping, New Vegas loving hater who prevents poor fanboy victims from enjoying things by merely existing.

[@Slender_Man_186]

I originally posted this under an EFAP highlight, but I feel like it needs to be said here Regarding the lore and Shady Sands, one thing everyone misses in this conversation is that the NCR is basically Fallout’s equivalent to the New Republic in Star Wars, except a lot worse. The New Republic is Luke, Han and Leia’s legacy, and Star Wars fans were understandably pissed when everything they accomplished was undone in TFA in a single scene. The same is true in Fallout except YOU are Luke, the NCR was founded at the end of Fallout 1 as a direct result of the Player’s actions, but unlike the New Republic which doesn’t get elaborated on or explored we see the NCR grow, in Fallout 2 Shady Sands has a statue of the first game’s player character right in the center of the city and the Republic has a confirmed population of 700k, new buildings are going up, pre-war cars are being repaired, and new roads are being paved. By New Vegas they’ve annexed more cities and have had another 40 years of growth, it’s safe to say the NCR has a total of 1million citizens by that point, it’s existed for 100 years and has the following settlements under its control: Shady Sands itself, Boneyard which is home to the Followers of the Apocalypse University, Junktown and The Hub which are the two other founding members, Necropolis and Dayglow which are two entire Ghoul cities, Vault City and Arroyo which are GECK paradises, as well as Gecko, San Fran, San Diego, Redding, and New Reno And then this damn show comes in, it plops Shady Sands where Boneyard should be, off-screens it, acts like the several other cities within the NCR don’t even exist, and writes off the entire NCR as “it didn’t work out.” Even just the idea that Shady Sands itself only had 35k residents is laughable, but what this show does is a slap in the face to the fans.

[@FoulballProductions]

Tim Cain (fallout creator) said the vault experiments were done because the ultimate plan was a colony ship off of earth. They were trying to solve the problems that would arise in deep space travel, not just “be evil”

[@CT_Phipps]

I mean Vault 4 actually had plans unlike some of the Vaults.

[@samwallaceart288]

My take on the whole Fallout world in general was always that all this stuff; the vaults, the bombs dropping, the mutants etc., were all just knock-on effects of smart guys trying to do a good thing but running off to a logical extreme and having a bad outcome by accident. Classic "they could, but didn't stop to ask if they _should"_ hubris of man type of story where you're the grandkid who inherited the _fallout_ of your forebears' mistakes. The second the story becomes "they were just evil on purpose and _everything_ happened _exactly_ according to some big bad's grand design; it's not just infinitely more boring, but it's almost antithetical to whole value a story like this could offer. After that big reveal in the show, it felt to me like something of an anti-story. Nothing is what it says it is. Nothing matters. Everything's just the fault of whomever we decide it's the fault of, regardless of how implausible or unsubstantiated. Man fuck this show.

[@trevalyan006]

The vault experiments, even in this show, have some amount of relevance to a colony ship. Even Vault 22 (advanced plant life) and Vault 31 (what "super managers" will do with authority). Don't hold out a lot of hope for this mid-tier writing, but it stumbles on if your standards are low.

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

I really wish they didn't essentially retcon the generation spaceship background. It's what tied the Enclave to the Vaults as well. I'm pretty sure that detail was in FO2 somewhere. It's been more than 20 years since I played it though.

[@raifthemad]

@@Golmov_the_Wretched I've played FO2 a lot, and this is the first time I'm hearing about this so I doubt it.

[@TheLifesentence2278]

the ghoul starts willy nilly tossing the vials everywhere in the superduper mart without regard for the fact that they are in glass bottles that shit should be more valuble than gold for him.

[@LoponStormbased]

Reminds me of the part in Boba Fett and Mad Max where they just spill all the precious water without care.

[@billjacobs521]

He was just handed basically a huge base with a ton of supplies, he doesn't even NEED the bounty anymore, he should be setting up shop.

[@kevinmayfield6182]

⁠​⁠@@billjacobs521Now that would be smart writing and we cannot have that in our Bethesda Fallout

[@grimjoker5572]

@@billjacobs521 He doesn't NEED it to begin with; he does it because he likes it.

[@RobotWithHumanHair.]

@@kevinmayfield6182 the fuck are you on about? there's so much to the drug operation than just going back and setting up shop, clearly he doesn't want to do all the bullshit to get the operation back up and running, if he gets the bounty, something he is really good at then he's set for life dumbass.

[@FryingPan1812]

They really adapted Todd Howard's infamous "It Just Works" quote into an entire show.

[@christopherbravo1813]

"Watch this, our newest release, The legendary series you've missed for years comes back, get ready for some action! We've got some plotholes here, some inconsistencies there, The fans will fix them anyway, so we don't care! They'll make sure this show starts gaining traction."

[@loremaster6828]

16 TIMES THE PLOT HOLES!

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@loremaster6828 "What's wrong with fighting over some guy's head? Come on brother, you've seen nothing yet! Our annihilation of Mr House's characterization will become a new sensation on the internet! Just shut up and give us your every dime! Turning parents into Ghouls is not a crime! Our writers could eat Lucy's mom alive, so *Buy Fallout 4 One More Todd-damn time!"*

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

No joke, almost quite literally.

[@formbi]

as someone here said, modders will fix it

[@aced4fun]

"There's a lot of money in the end of the world" is the worst motivational concept I've ever heard Edit: Be warned that a strange intellectual entity has entered these replies Edit 2: He’s still here, still fucking replying 2 months later lol

[@mesaplayer9636]

I can only guess they meant there was a lot of money to be made from the coming of the end. But who knows, it's not like they were shown to be making profit after the end of the world.

[@moe5020]

I mean it would make sense if they didn't literally mean nuking everything lol. Realistically if these are completely amoral capitalists which is dumb but still they would want to keep the status quo going and have people be perpetually scared of an imminent nuke that never comes so the gov keep buying vaults that vault-tech won't even have to maintain because at the last minute they would reveal the cold fusion device and end the resource war

[@grimjoker5572]

Money is power. Think on that and the concept that euphemisms, innuendo, and subtexts are things that exist.

[@moe5020]

@@grimjoker5572 thats cope lol also even if thats what they meant it's still wrong what power do they have now that they've destroyed everything?

[@grimjoker5572]

@@moe5020 That's how humans communicate and is pretty standard writing. _"also even if thats what they meant it's still wrong what power do they have now that they've destroyed everything?"_ The very existence of any of the Fallout games shows that it doesn't *STAY* destroyed. Their plans may have gone amiss, we don't know, but the part where they predict the ability to rebuild is spot on.

[@fireplacestorytime]

The mentality of, "It doesn't matter it's a fictional world of course we can change things on whim; why do you care so much about us rewriting and retconning already established history?; just turn your brain off and enjoy it." If you tear apart the seams of the world you have already built to insert an inconsistent, poorly written "addition", you did not add anything, you just ruined the ardent fans joy, and cannibalized the world for casual, forgettable enjoyment.

[@bananess_]

You are the 1000th comment by the way

[@fireplacestorytime]

@@Dylanjrvs It's not hate, it's disappointment. Fallout 3 had decent writing, not without inconsistences, but I viewed it as Bethesda's Fallout. From then on what they said went, but it just kept getting more and more absurd with the stories and retcons. If people enjoy it, great, i am not saying to hate it. I am saying for me it sucks to see a world you enjoyed fall apart.

[@GreenSabre187]

@@fireplacestorytime bethesda didnt invented fallout, the world youre talking bout already felt apart once before

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

​@@Dylanjrvsthat is such a weird argument. Just because it isn't worse then the shit that happened to SWs (I however disagree, I think it is equally as bad) means people can't dislike it?

[@Slender_Man_186]

@Dylanjrvs because for as much as I dislike Fallout 3, guess what? It’s on the other ass end of the country and can more or less be ignored, same goes for Fallout 4 and 76, and if this show was set basically damn near anywhere else I wouldn’t have a problem. But no, they had to set it on the west coast and fuck up sooo god damn much, and the specific way they did it comes across as malicious, really driving home what Bethesda said about “not being beholden to what someone 20 years ago wrote,” which they said specifically regarding Fallout’s lore. I’m not surprised it was a shit show, and I knew they were going to fuck up the lore the second I heard it was set on the West Coast, but what really bothers me is that *people actually think this shit is good and have gotten to the point where they think dumb wacky bullshit is all Fallout is.*

[@MultiKbarry]

The funniest thing is Shady Sands is a society that came from a vault. So this competition thing makes no sense. They are literally self sabotaging. Though I don’t think the writers remembered that.

[@valance10]

Literally in the opening cutscene of fo1 they talk about how the Vaults opened and people formed their own societies afterwards

[@KicksPregnantWomen]

"remembered"? they never learned it in the first place

[@guyincognito1406]

One of 2 people at the gate to shady sands, first people you run into out of 13 on the way to 15 if you ask her about a water chip she tells you they left 15 and set up shady sands.

[@sirgaz8699]

"remembered" implies that at one point they knew.

[@valance10]

@andreadeluca9742 I mean yeah? Bethesda introduced all the retarded vaults that only exist for memes, interplay era vaults were actually experiments designed to see how humans could survive on other planets

[@guskinmaypho174]

I think the comment " why not have them be dumb" was meant for us, the audience. This is how they see us. And with the positive reaction this show got because of all the absolute horrible shows and movies we had lately, they might be right. If you starve your audience enough, they are gonna gobble up even shit.

[@kenkaneki3873]

The audience reaction to this show perfectly encapsulates why Mr House said you don't need to proclaim you're exceptional, you just know you are....

[@_S0LUS_]

I think it's a Force awakens thing. People in time may recognise the problems with the show on a re-watch, but initally the average person does just "turn their brain off" and zone out to the spectacles on screen.

[@princeimrahil6557]

I hate how stupid they made Vault tec. In the original game they had a completely logical reason for the experiments, that is, for building of space vessels to escape earth

[@lsuperior]

Yea bro nuke the planet and perform totally random experiments underground so we can go to space. everything in fallout was perfectly logical and consistent until this darn show came out.

[@princeimrahil6557]

​@@lsuperior they didn't nuke the planet in the original lore, that's exactly my point lol. The experiments weren't random at all, they were testing various psychological and physiological challenges for generation ships. AltFall did a really good video on how each experiment accomplishes this goal, it's called "Why Every Fallout Vault is Evil".

[@mesaplayer9636]

now technically we don't know if they nuked the planet in the show either. In the meeting they only said that they could start the war by dropping their nuke which could mean they just dropped one and everyone else did the rest or they never needed to and that was just an option to show that they would do anything to do their experiments. Also I'm not exactly sure how even if they dropped a bunch of nukes it would make them stupid that would still allow them to do their test which was one of their main goals of outlasting everyone else. I'm pretty sure in the fallout lore nuclear war tensions were high and some sort of treaty was gonna be made before nukes started dropping and it was always questioned who dropped them first.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@mesaplayer9636 oh fuck off with this cope, China isn’t even mentioned once in the show, and the only mention of a potential war between the US is regarding one *ending* and ruining Vault Tec’s plans.

[@6661313]

oh fuck off "in the original game" there were no fucking experiments, that was shit bethesda brought it, vault tek was only commentary of miss management fallout: the watch chip, a vital component is broken and there is no back up Fallout 2: oh a vault got sent hundreds of water chips due to miss management and clerical errors it wasn't some insane plot that bethesda makes it out to be

[@Rand00mThing]

There's many smart writers. None of them work in Hollywood.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

nor at Bethesda

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@marcogenovesi8570 Doesn't matter how good the writers are as long as Emil is in charge of the writing.

[@year111]

You don’t need to be a writer to make a good story, these people are motivated by dei ideology.

[@BaconMinion]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Emil "Central design documents are too hard to manage" whateverhislastnameisbecauseidontcaretolookitup

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

@@BaconMinion emil papagarucho

[@HectorRiveraOrtiz]

Remember: When the writing is shit, fans will say it's satire.

[@VitaliyMilonov]

Or that it's "intentionally bad".

[@billsutherby]

See also: Knives Out and Glass Onion. Jesus Christ, the defenders of those movies have single-digit IQs.

[@GideonRavenor712]

I do wonder how that is working for Season 2 of Mindy Kaling's Velma. LOL

[@popepisspot1675]

Apparently Maximus failing upwards is because he is a 10 luck character ... i kid you not that is the response some people gave me. The fallout fans are cooked in the brain.

[@phenel]

@@GideonRavenor712 did that seriously get a 2nd season? ffs i hate everyone and everything, we should burn it all down.

[@azakachi-rd-17]

Season 2 starts: Hank making his way toward Vegas when over the horizon a giant angry bug with brilliant orange wings emerges over a distant crag. Snap zoom to Hank's bewildered face as the sound of violence draws closer. Fade to black. Roll credits.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

A cazador would be a fitting end for Hank or the writers of this show.

[@bluemutt9964]

If this were actual Fallout you would find Maximus' corpse and it'd be a great early way for a power armor suit

[@Lord_Numpty]

We'd probably wonder 'how the hell did this dumbass die wearing a set of power armour? While _standing up?_ To *_radroaches?_*

[@Singular8ty]

I "love" how the plot revolves around a cold fusion reactor. You know, the thing that every vault canonically has 2 of in a GECK. You know, the thing that was used by the NCR multiple times to form itself (including Shady Sands long before the NCR existed). Yeah, that thing.

[@kenkaneki3873]

I saw a lot of people completely overlook that the GECK completely nullifies the entire plot of the show and that this show retcons the GECK by saying cold fusion was invented by Moldaver

[@ryanhall5360]

The plot revolves around the cold fusion catalyst, which is the tech they need to actually use, maintain, and replicate the cold fusion technology. The only reason they end up able to actually have the opportunity to exploit the technology for societal advancements is because of the scientist guy who deserts with the catalyst in hand. Maybe it wasn't made clear enough for you to understand in the show, but I understood it just fine. There was nothing wrong with the lore aspect nor the plotting.

[@drivingbritt9617]

@@ryanhall5360 That makes no sense. If cold fusion tech exists on the scale that we see in the Fallout universe, (Fusion Cores, or the even more common Fusion Cells,) then it stands to reason that there is or was some common method to produce such tech. Given the amount of technological reclamation we see the NCR engage in throughout the series, as well as the fact that the Van Graffs managed to create a successful industry out of selling energy weapons in bulk, it is safe to assume that the knowledge of how to, (in your own words,) use, maintain, and replicate cold fusion tech is very much still present in the post-war world. Hell, the Brotherhood basically wouldn't be able to function without such capabilities. And before you say it, no, cold fusion doesn't have to be 'cold' in the typical sense of the word, that's a misnomer. To be 'cold' fusion, the reaction has to be sustainable at room temperatures.

[@evanrodgers3190]

How about the robots that have been running for 200 years on no external battery

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

@@ryanhall5360 Except Stanislaus Braun was the inventor of the cold fusion device not the Enclave. Bethesda completely write him out of the plot. Plus, there was never any mention of the usage of a catalyst to make the GECK's.

[@romannumeralvii4285]

As a fallout, LoTR, Halo and Star Wars fan. This past decade has been an absolute nightmare that I can’t wake up from. It’s honestly been so depressing watching nearly every IP I enjoy being butchered, burned and then crucified. All for me to be called a “hater” because I don’t enjoy actual excrement with a recognizable brand being shoveled down my throat. It’s gotten to the point where I honestly hope and pray that nothing else I like gets any kind of attention anymore, lest it be picked up for any kind of adaption. I dread what they come after next.

[@AlmostCosmic288]

Tired of the disrespect from these show runners.

[@Slender_Man_186]

No bro you don’t get it, being a fan isn’t about holding your favorite franchise to a higher standard because you want it to truly be as great as it can possibly be, it’s about sucking shit from a straw with a grin solely based on the label lazily slapped on it.

[@CantusTropus]

It's time to disengage from compromised franchises. It's best to spend your time and money on stuff that doesn't hate you.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

They did it to The Wheel of Time too :(

[@andrewryan1946]

Wheel of Time, Witcher, Cowboy Bebop, Star Trek, Aliens, Borderlands, DC Comics… I could go on, but by the end of the list I’d be reaching for a noose

[@toxicmongerofthehatefulbro5745]

"Oh No the Writers are a fan of Moviebob" HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@generights]

No way this cant be real.

[@insensitive919]

More like Mr Chipman is just a more honest version of them.

[@alexanderb8706]

Did i miss that in the video?

[@natedog0810]

@@alexanderb8706 last 5 seconds of video.

[@generights]

@@alexanderb8706 it's a meme in the outro section

[@ApollyonSeraph]

They really should have chosen a new state, maybe an entirely new region. The midwest hasn't seen enough spotlight in the Fallout franchise, and it has *so* much potential that it's near criminal

[@marinescu0511]

“Im not going to cover this show” *everyone praises the show* “……i am now forced to cover this show”

[@RootEight]

Only the normies praise the show

[@braydoxastora5584]

Are act man and critical drinker normies?

[@RootEight]

@@braydoxastora5584 with the Fallout lore?? yes!!... I mean, just watch the debate, he doesn't have arguments, cause he don't really care about the lore, so is a normie with this IP

[@dyliokhan3946]

@@RootEight Only Tourist, shills, casuals, and bethesda fans praise this show

[@RootEight]

@@dyliokhan3946 exactly 😁

[@monkeyinapanzer]

One of the weirdest things about this show is how heavily it depends on ‘you just gotta know the games man’ while also needing ‘don’t worry about the lore it’s just funny satire’ as a defense. Like getting out of or even into vaults is weirdly easy in newer fallout games if you have a pipe boy or that for no apparent reason people actually are perfectly fine with living and working around corpses since that’s just a thing in fallout 4 with skeleton literally sitting in businesses the same as how they died hundreds of years ago. But then immediately defaults to everybody is an idiot don’t think about it with its issues.

[@billjacobs521]

This is why I say it's alot like Rings of Power; if you don't know the lore, you're confused (The Enclave? What's that?) but if you DO know the lore, you're annoyed. The fans are tourists; people who vaguely remember details from when they played the games when they were new, just enough to like the key jangling.

[@cortster12]

The lore changes every game, is the thing. They retcon ALL THE TIME. I'm accepted that, and just treat the Show as Fallout 5 with even more retcons. When I do that it's infinitely more enjoyable.

[@monkeyinapanzer]

@@billjacobs521 I don’t think it’s even for the tourist. If it was it would be trying much harder to shoehorn in some message or be weirdly hostile to actual fans; instead it’s more like it’s for the fanboy fans that have legitimately played and enjoyed the series even know the lore by heart, but have such low standards that anything with fallout on it is good enough. Definitely not tourists kinds since these people could talk for like ten minutes about some random lore blurb related to a minor faction and then hand wave away some massive screw up story or lore wise in the newer stuff. It’s just consumer bait

[@kielbasamage]

@@monkeyinapanzer Ah, so like the guy above you. A superfan, but Bethesda have buck-broken him so thoroughly he just shrugs and eats the steadily degrading slop with a desperate smile, like the child of a mother who learned culinary arts from watching septic tank explosion compilations on youtube.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@cortster12 no, that’s Bethesda Fallout. Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas were all pretty consistent with each other, mainly because they were mostly made by a lot of the same people. And then you have Fallout 3, which comes in and plops the Brotherhood of Steel, a faction that was starting to die out last we saw them in Fallout 2, on the other ass end of the country with a giant death robot, which they somehow manage to find power for despite the fact that the pre-war government couldn’t. Then you have Fallout 4, it can’t decide wether Ghouls need food and water or don’t, it can’t decide wether X-01 power armor is or isn’t Enclave power armor, and the crazy thing is that both Fallout 3 and 4 were written by the same moron who seriously tried to compare Fallout 4 to The Great Gatsby.

[@davidkovacs415]

Hey How long before the Glamour wears off and everyone admits Mauler was right.

[@douglaslamar1530]

Presumably when the next season releases.

[@tentacledood5784]

I'll give it up til mid season 3

[@BaconMinion]

A few months, like with any Bethesda product.

[@tommyhawk2065]

It will probably nuke itself by S3, just like Mandalorian or Witcher. Hodd Toward and his sidekick Elm, Mr why not make them dumb, and whoever the woman is, aren't really great writers considering their resume.

[@formbi]

Creetosis was first

[@wishuponamonkeyspaw2458]

Funny how the MacMuffin of the show is cold fusion technology Vault-Tec was supposedly hoarding to the point of it requiring an administrator password to use. Since Todd has declared the show canon, here's a little choice quote from a terminal in F76, the most recent game: _"The G.E.C.K. includes a _*_cold-fusion power generator rated to last at least 1000 years,_*_ matter-energy replicators, water purifiers, atmospheric chemical stabilizers, and seed and soil supplemements. Even in the event of total global annihilation, a properly functioning G.E.C.K. will create an earthly paradise."_ So alright, Vault-Tec is actually using their cold fusion tech rather than sitting on it like Moldaver claims. Plus, the NCR has access to those generators, on account of no less than three of their settlements having canonically used a G.E.C.K., those being Shady Sands, Vault City and Arroyo. Oh, and just as a little aside, CF certainly wasn't infinite energy if Vault City wanted to take Gecko power plant in FO2, and the NCR fought tooth and nail for access to the Hoover Damn in New Vegas for the electricity it could provide.

[@roosterbooster9008]

I'm gonna be honest, I hated the G.E.C.K.s ever since i first saw/heard of them. They're far too overpowered as a concept. However, since Bethesda kept wanting to use the damn things, your point is entirely valid.

[@contentsdiffer5958]

It's infinitely energy as long as you can create more plants, but that technology was lost during the War. Thus the CF plants that exist in Fallout are the only ones that will ever be, and additional needs will have to be filled by dirtier methods.

[@nybakg]

Amazon: “So what did we do wrong?” Mauler: *takes deep breath*

[@duncanharrell5009]

Longman: Sit your ass down and grab a nuka cola!

[@Plutonia001]

Bethesda "writers" just don't read their own IP's source material. Cold Fusion powers the GECK. They didn't know that the main mcguffin of their TV show was the standard component of the main mcguffin of not one, but two Fallout games. It's not rare, it's not new, it's mundane.

[@sjfs231]

it also doesn't make sense that a cold fusion reactor is the main trinket everybody wants in a show where there are hundreds of FUSION CORES in every vault and suit of power armor

[@Plutonia001]

@@sjfs231 Hmm... not exactly. The TX-28 fusion pack only provides 60kW of power, which is enough to run a T-51b power armor for 200 years. Micro fusion cells provide bursts of high energy to power energy weapons and they deplete very fast. The GECK is specifically described as having cold fusion, and we know next to nothing about how a GECK actually works, so its energy source is likely very different from the two other forms of fusion that are regularly used.

[@sjfs231]

@@Plutonia001 just make a bigger one genius, like the ones that take up whole rooms in the vaults

[@elvisibra]

Nobody said it was new. They said: Vault Tec (Barb's division, Barb is also member of/answering to the Enclave) bought pre war cold fusion company (Moldaver's i.e. real surname Williams'), and that explains why cold fusion exists already, but limited use only, with only few vaults having GECKs (cold fusion powered). Also BoS intention to make the World into "Eden of what ever", adds up with it, also showing that BoS knows all about it (regarding their history, they actually would know, or have some "old" records, and stuff)..

[@elvisibra]

people always wondered why only few vaults had GECKs. TV show answered why. That's all.

[@antoniogaravo9289]

they litteraly made the inspiration for vault boy a guy named "howard". no todd, you didn't create fallout and no amout of dumb symbolism is gonna change it.

[@VitaliyMilonov]

Woudn't be surрrised if the guy unironically wants to rewrite history and be remembered as "the fallout creator".

[@NimbusTM]

​@@VitaliyMilonov that reminds me of how people kept saying "Silent Hill without Kojima isn't Silent Hill" when it was rumoured that Silent Hills was being developed again, without Hideo involved, despite him not having been involved with a single Silent Hill game prior to that.

[@VitaliyMilonov]

@@NimbusTM I still wouldn't mind seeing a Silent Hill game from Kojima. He's shown he can make a good horror in that demo.

[@MrSilentProtagonist]

​​@@VitaliyMilonov Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences called him the Legendary Creator of Elder Scrolls and Fallout.

[@NimbusTM]

@@VitaliyMilonov I agree, I was just bringing that up as an example of how people easily forget the true origins of a franchise, which is annoying.

[@7TheWhiteWolf]

The real question is, why does nobody carry stimpacks when they’re essential to survival. You think Maximus’ Knight would carry them himself if they can save your life in a heartbeat (like we do in the games). Why would you want your squire to hold them? I’d rather hold them.

[@tastethecock5203]

That's a good question actually. Why brotherhood armored knights let their unarmored serfs armed with pistols carry stimpacks for them? If a servant gets killed by a random stray bullet then the knight will have to locate his corpse and loot stimpacks off his corpse, instead of carrying essential supply on their own, when they are wearing power armor, and stimpacks weight literally nothing.

[@chasx7062]

@@tastethecock5203 WTF armoured knights dont even have an escape latch to get out of their armour!! LOL

[@EatThePath-7]

Kinda weird their armour also doesn't have any emergency protocol to auto inject an stimpack (even if it's just one dose), since that is also a thing in the games. Hell you don't even need PA for something like that lol.

[@moe5020]

because realistically how is he going to stim midfight and in the armor can he even hold a stim in the suit? Also you would want someone else ideally a medic to check your wounds and apply stims or whatever else you need because self-administering stuff is a lot harder.

[@chasx7062]

@@moe5020 why do you need a squire that's unarmoured and carrying a huge pack back ? He is more a hindrance than anything else

[@antoniogaravo9289]

but noooooo you don't understand, it's just that EVERY. SINGLE. CHARACTER. has INT 1 and LUCK 10, its just like the gaaaaaame.

[@markwakefield2030]

Except the turret shooting the doctor and the dog, that one has LUCK 1

[@exhumedlegume8870]

@@markwakefield2030 The turret had INT 10 and 1 in all other stats. It had also taken the "Genre Savvy" and "Has Read the Script" perks, so it knew not to hit Doctor McGuffin or Dogmeat.

[@markwakefield2030]

@@exhumedlegume8870 lmao

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

Don't forget their other SPECIAL stats just randomly increase and decrease like if they took status effects like coffee or drugs like crazy. "I can shoot through PA once but can't every other time with better weapons".

[@Tom-Pendragon]

The show is good, and you can cope all you want lol.

[@justnormalthings1599]

Build me a rage worthy of being unbridled

[@insensitive919]

Give me, a rage to build a dream on, and my imagination, will build upon that rage...

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

I get the feeling that this show's 1st season is the Force Awakens of Fallout. Everybody likes it, until you start scratching the service and notice the mystery boxes and lensflares.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

It's funny, because Fallout 3 already fits the bill for "the Force Awakens of Fallout".

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

Yep...

[@galetinm]

Scratch the service?! It's surface

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

@@galetinm D'oh!

[@grimjoker5572]

I'd agree with that in that The Force Awakens had its flaws but if followed by a good set of sequels would have been good. The Fallout show in season 1 is good, not astounding, great compared to everything else we got, but could retroactively be made trash by feckless lack of follow through in seasons 2 and 3.

[@OverlordXion]

"lucy mentioned there was a famine, was that you? "🤣🤣🤣

[@Gojeto346]

Convinced this entire video was conceived the moment Lance used the excuse of “it’s stupid like the games” on the Open Bar where they discussed Fallout.

[@aaronlaughter6471]

He was butt hurt then people liked the show, and now his ass is flaming people took Drinkers side.

[@billjacobs521]

People saying stupid things was clearly the catalyst, yes. That Lance guy was almost entirely into "It's a movie about space wizards for children" territory.

[@aaronlaughter6471]

@@billjacobs521 Yet Mauler and the haters couldn't even do a basic fucking check on the games just to get there names right.

[@moe5020]

@@aaronlaughter6471 No that was lance he didn't even know what game he was talking about. from the video you can tell Mauler has above average knowledge of the lore. Also no one sided with Drinker not even drinker since he basically admitted the show was dogshit and said he just liked Lucy and Walton goggins.

[@Gojeto346]

@@aaronlaughter6471what are you talking about😂

[@marsdeath12396]

The point of this video essentially plays out as: Internet: Mauler what do you think about Fallout Mauler: uhhhhh…..well…….if you enjoy it good for you, but it’s not for me Internet: it’s as great as Arcane! Mauler: you what mate?!??

[@cyberpsybin]

Midcane

[@sgnox7781]

Arcane was the show that got a lot of praise it didnt deserve very similiar to this show. Arcane characters were a mess very inconsintent. The portrayal of psychosis was one of the worst ever, they even rip the dinner scene from hannibal, while not understanding what made it good and why it came to be, they just wanted it there because its cool and it didnt fit the characters at all. The amount of plot armor was also extremely heavy if you know a character was from league you knew nothing final/bad is gonna happen to him/her. It also had some terrible nonsensical monologue with silco almost every episodes that made anyone with a brain wanting to gouge their eyes out. It was pretty show, that could be enjoyed if you dont care about good characters especially but definitely not a masterpiece people make it out to be, great animation and good score doesnt equal a great show.

[@TKUltra971]

@@sgnox7781 My god someone FINALLY put it into words.

[@Fakecake34]

@@sgnox7781 Thank you, alot of people are praising all the surface level mediocrity. It doesnt help that alot of what the plot presented contradicts preestablished lore for the game, which further causes more confusion because of the lack of direction after going through years of retconning so they (Riot writers) can world build more cohesively. Now the world and story of league is as directionless as Marvel directors and their piss poor attempts to connect characters and narratives.

[@littleoldmanboy]

@@sgnox7781 Respectfully it gets to a point where you're just a contrarian lmao. All 3 dudes in these replies who called Arcane mid are just genuine haters. Surely we're not calling Arcane mid nowadays, surely you can prove your intellectual superiority in some other way lmfaoooo

[@Slender_Man_186]

Mauler, as a die hard fan of Fallout for a while, I can tell you that there’s at least *some* malice in this show, all of Vault 4 in particular and “The Govermint” seems like a direct “fuck you” to fans of the old games, and how they portrayed Mr. House and Sinclair (yes that fat guy representing Big MT is supposed to be Sinclair from the Dead Money DLC) is straight up character assassination. But there’s even more subtle things like how they play the Fallout 4 theme while showing the NCR flag, or how they turned Ghouls into actual zombies, or how they made the two people who created Vault Boy in the show be named “Howard” and “Emil,” which leads me to believe that Todd Howard and possibly even Emil Pagliarulo had more involvement in this show than they’re letting on.

[@ian-op5fv]

Considering that they nuked Shady Sands out of existence for no apparent reason and have possibly destroyed New Vegas as well, I think it's safe to assume this is made with *full* malice. Especially towards the older games. You shouldn't give these vandals any benefit of doubt.

[@undercomposition]

I said out loud, when I heard the Fallout 4 music, "why the fuck are they playing that music now"

[@ibrahimalee23]

I dont know how Vault 4 and "The Govermint" is a "Fuck you to fans" They didn't really character assinate Mr House, he's never shown to be directly on board with nuking the world, he's just there for the shareholder meeting which was never about planning to nuke the world initially. The Ghouls aren't portrayed as "zombies" and act pretty much like how they do in game, but the weird vials things were a really strange addition admittedly Playing the Fallout 4 theme over the NCR flag and the two guys named "Howard" and "Emil" also seem like random points of contention, how is using a particular bit of soundtrack and having two characters being named after 2 prominent bethesda figureheads an attempted "slight against fans"?

[@AsperTheGhost]

I never even thought about the Ghoul being called "Howard" as a reference to good ol' "Sweet Lil' Lies" Todd. Holy shit. They could have at least called him "Cain" to give the original creative lead some much needed respect.

[@kadalsaurus6232]

@@AsperTheGhost hey they even named the director of the cowboy film in the show "emil"

[@AlphaAurora]

"The world can progress, move on!" -The writers We're going to bring back the dead Enclave and Brotherhood factions! Also the same writers

[@ethanduncan1646]

Exactly they just want the stagnancy of an anarchistic wasteland because the plebs don't have to think about it

[@czarnakoza9697]

bethesdas fallout doesnt understand fallout is about society rebuilding

[@freeguy3894]

But the brotherhood hasn't been dead ever. The western BoS has been in decline for a long time sure, but they haven't been dead, not to mention they could have been aligned with NCR (or alternatively legion since all BoS characters in the show have latin names and their flag is golden and red) for a short while. And the eastern BoS has been amassing power since the 3rd game by recruiting literally anyone willing and then winning through raw military strength. The series also shows us the reunion of the 2 chapters, as the blimp that flies into the BoS base from the show is the Prydwin. And honestly i never understood people that believe that highly technologically advanced remnants of the pre-war american (and not only american according to 76) government lived in like 2 places in the entire country

[@Spoil_Age]

The destruction of Shady Sands went something like "...Oh btw, Shady Sands, yes the Shady Sands, was nuked, it's gone, totaly fkd, NCR? Didn't work out. Ok, back to important stuf, Vault 4..."

[@chrisbj5251]

gotta have that wasteland from F4 and 76 somehow.

[@richter6699]

​@@chrisbj5251 They literally just needed to set in on the East Coast. They did not need to destroy the work of their betters, they chose to out of spite.

[@Sajuek]

@@richter6699 Sorry snowflake, the wasteland is unforgiving and success or survival is not guaranteed. The NCR was already on the ropes during NV. Fallout isn't a fairytale where the good guys always win and democracy always prevails. Deal with it.

[@tomite472123]

​@andreadeluca9742 that's not quite accurate, in Vegas the NCR isn't portrayed as ready to collapse but rather that it is having issues. The NCR's economy is struggling sure and there is a risk of a looming crop failure and famine in the future yes but that does not mean the NCR is on the brink of collapse, even in the Legion ending the NCR doesn't collapse it just pulls back to the Mojave outpost. The NCR was hardly on the brink of collapse but rather was having an issue with Bureaucracy and political corruption marring just how much the NCR could do.

[@basedggallin4556]

​@andreadeluca9742 Tired argument is tired

[@AirSnipers96]

What gets me about Max surviving in the refrigerator is that, despite the fact that would never work anyways, you can see the GIANT FUCKING HOLE WHERE THE HOSES SHOULD BE in that scene. The fridge is totally unsealed…

[@haku8135]

In Fallout 4 there's actually this kid whose been trapped in a fridge since the bombs dropped. He survived because he turned into a ghoul, all the fridge did was cause him to get STUCK for 200 years. If he'd been anywhere else he'd have literally been better off because he'd be FREE. Fallout 4 is considered bad, and it has much better writing than this entire show, yet this show is being hailed as fucking phenomenal.

[@mizu7662]

Its not like he was at ground zero and everything around his fridge was radioactive dust. The debris around him wasn't even scorched so he was out far enough from the epicenter where it only had to withstand purely concussive force. Meaning all the fridge really did was shield the kid from flying bits of debris.

[@haku8135]

@@mizu7662 The flying debris of a NUKE would be like a trillion BULLETS. Plus the insane radiation from MULTIPLE nukes would fucking end a child in very short order. Nukes are not FIREBOMBS, everything within the atomic fire is FUCKED and everything close enough to see it is STILL fucked because of how nukes work.

[@caseyhudson4929]

​@@mizu7662 You did not just suggest a fridge could withstand debris that was launched with the force of a nuke. Get real man.

[@amadeus_ex7505]

​@caseyhudson4929 isn't this a joke from Indiana Jones as well ? Like it's even referenced with the wild wasteland perk as a point of humour, it's pokes fun at it lmao, you couldn't survive a nuclear blast in a fridge hahah

[@TheWillperis]

>BUT I OWN THE IP!!!! ITS CANON!!!! NO I DIDNT DO MY RESEARCH WHEN DOING THE SCRIPT, BUT DADDY TODD WAS THERE!!!!! >So the timeline doesn't work, the internal logic of the world doesn't work, not even established characters (mr house) work, so how im i supposed to take any of this as canon? >WE OWN THE IP!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE its not canon, now matter how much they gaslight you, its not

[@VitaliyMilonov]

Which is why I'm staying with Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas' fandoms. Screw toddards.

[@Herandro_just_Herandro]

"It just works". No, wait...

[@brokehandstudiosgaming7161]

Sadly day one they released an army of people to change the wikis and lore pages. Got plenty of other people who legit enjoy the series and sees no problems do the same.

[@RootEight]

Sadly to say It but... it's canon 😕... that's the reason I dislike the show, they made like 4 retcons just for made the Fallout universe less Fallout and more.. other stuff 😐

[@brokehandstudiosgaming7161]

@@RootEight One reason I started to just use the old archive now a days.

[@louiscipher2939]

You know what's funny? The whole "destroying the world for profit" plot from the show contradicts a barter check in New Vegas. During the ghost town fight quest in goodsprings, in order to convince Chet to donate leather armor, you need barter skills to explain to him that in order to protect his store, he needs his customers to be... you know... alive.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

Also House said he wanted people around, and he worked to protect New Vegas, so he could have, customers and people to do work to eventually travel into space?

[@Waffles281]

That animated battle between the brotherhood and the NCR on KZbin has so much better action then this very expensive Amazon show does. smh

[@rhouck8407]

Gonna have to check that out thanks

[@dyliokhan3946]

@@rhouck8407 SODAZ Fallout sunburst wip is what OP is talking about. One of the best Fallout fan animations of all time

[@navegandoporlahistoria]

Dude I was thinking the same!

[@darkma1ice]

“Why not have them be dumb” Because it insults your audience

[@houghtonjojo8944]

And the audience loves it. Apparently.

[@slevinchannel7589]

!!

[@markwakefield2030]

@@houghtonjojo8944 Many such cases unfortunately

[@AC-ut3nk]

And it's worked.

[@arkoa0000]

​@@houghtonjojo8944 give it till season 2 when they go "when/why did the show get bad" and we have to go "I told you it was bad at ___" then repeat ad nauseum because the general viewing audience will repeat this process then get confused when things go bad but proceed to forget the warnings.

[@quiett6191]

the amount of lead that turrent was spitting at him, from that range, its statistically impossible that none hit. Heck, the ricochets alone would shred him.

[@johankarlsson1776]

Obviously the Enclave uses turrets that are programmed to scare people, not kill them, duh! 🤣

[@b.o.j.1442]

I fucking hate modern writers

[@Kintabl]

Todd: We are careful about timeline... LOL! You guys blow up Shady Sands, a capital of NCR, the same year they are fighting Caesar's Legion for Hoover Dam. Not to mention that they relocate Shady Sands.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Todd Howard never cared about lore or continuity, nor does anyone else working at Bethesda. Him saying it doesn't mess with the lore is like someone blind telling me I look nice.

[@LukeTEvans]

what if it was super canonical and the places the courier bombs in the lonesome roads is shady sands..

[@Mirthful_Midori]

@@LukeTEvans It was clearly stated that the Long 15 was what got hit. It's also explained that it will mess up the NCR's supply lines to the Mojave, not the NCR themselves in California.

[@Slender_Man_186]

They also fucked up the time the bombs dropped in the opening minutes, which itself is Bethesda lore, the clocks in Fallout 3 are all stopped at about 9:45am and Fallout 4’s opening backs that up, that would be around 6:45am on the west coast where this show takes place. Who tf has a birthday party that early?

[@kyleegan2830]

Best faith interpretation. Although, Todd hasn’t said in a interview if that’s what happened or not, so as far as I’m concerned that’s a negative

[@CapitalTeeth]

In this show it really felt like things only happened because the plot required it to. The most egregious example being that incredibly convenient headless suit of power armor near the end.

[@Gamewar5OOO]

Or Lucy and apparently all the other vault dwellers Geiger counters only working when the plot needs to expose moldavers raid of the vault. Srsly, she marries the guy, sleeps with him, and THEN she detects radiation from the guy and is like "ur from the surface!" 🤦‍♂️ Or the Yow Guai being able to kill a knight in full power armor by slashing the chest plate and throwing him around a little bit, but later the same suit of power armor is used to throw boulders and crash through buildings and get shot to shit without a single scratch to the pilot. It's incredibly inconsistent, and ur right, things only matter when the plot needs it to

[@fearmasterm.m.z7139]

​@@Gamewar5OOOthe radiation bit you literally see her turn the thing back on before she puts two and two.

[@i_am_ergo]

@@fearmasterm.m.z7139 They were all wearing their Pip-Boys before and during the ceremony though.

[@Rubyduckshovel]

@@fearmasterm.m.z7139 No one had their pipboy on?

[@Ghost7065]

What about The Ghoul knowing the weaknesses of the T-60 at the end but him not using it earlier on Maximus??

[@Bluewah96]

Drinker v Mauler is the captain America civil war of Efap

[@jonbaxter2254]

Who is Hawkeye though? Az?

[@MegaSpideyman]

​@@jonbaxter2254Why Az?

[@aytony4090]

​@@MegaSpideymanHe kinda looks like him

[@captbuckyohare5585]

I might be misremebering Civil Wars plot. When did Tony get triggered by one of his friends liking a show he hated to the point that he dropped everything for 11 days to write an essay about why Steve is wrong? This storm in a teacup is making Longman look like an insecure cringe man. What happened to chill disagreements when folks feel different about a show? I guess those only happen when Longman likes the show (LOU or Andor etc.)

[@aytony4090]

@captbuckyohare5585 I can't imagine being you who takes this so seriously, lol

[@blowfish1702]

It says a lot that Bethesda felt the need to set the game on the west coast and then went on to destroy EVERYTHING to do with the lore there.

[@Kyrus86]

Yeah, they are still salty New Vegas is better than any of their games.

[@lordmonty2726]

I still don't understand why they show Shady Sands to be in LA - a single glance at the maps from Fallout 1/2 make it clear that it is absolutely NOT there and is in fact many, many miles away. They also show the place to be made from ruined pre-war structures, yet in game it's established the settlement was built post-war by the people of Vault 15. How can writers that are paid to make a series set in the Fallout universe make such basic errors, especially given that the show is supposed to be in-canon with the game world?

[@Slender_Man_186]

Exactly, they put Shady Sands where LA Boneyard should be, which potentially also wipes the Followers of the Apocalypse from canon since their university was in Boneyard.

[@insensitive919]

They make it a point to hire writers that despise the source material. Especially when the source material is a beloved gaming franchise. This is pretty well-established by this point.

[@JunjiItoDougWalker]

because the show sucks, thats why

[@ryanedioma2133]

The director said it himself. It's not made for fans.

[@vespenegas261]

@@ryanedioma2133 Who is it even for then?! The crab people? The morden audience? Mentally halted female genitals slurs? It has to stop at some point. Either they run out of material to ruin or they die off asinsignificant.

[@qew_Nemo]

The most appalling thing to me is those absolute frauds dared to mention Deadwood. It's like shitting your pants and going "I was inspired by Tolkien btw". Now I'm actually angry.

[@max7971]

Fucking lost it, man. Thanks for a good laugh.

[@matthewcummings5067]

Same, I cried laughing. It really is like that though. It's like this entire generation of writers suffers from the Dunning Kruger effect.

[@bad-people6510]

Remember how the Red Dead series has strong themes about societal advancement, the expansion of civilization, and the deterioration of the frontier? Remember how those were good?

[@nananderson7259]

I usually agree with most of what Mauler says, sometimes he's harsher than I am or sometimes he finds a detail I totally glossed over. But when I tell you this man grabbed every gripe I had with the show out of my brain - EVEN DOWN TO THE DAMNED YODEL BACKING TRACK FOR THE GHOUL This is the most cathartic Mauler video to date.

[@whitworth5s248]

Same. I still have some major gripes over some of Mauler's points that he's been too harsh or just plain wrong on (His 'Superman destroyed a ship full of Kryptonian babies' argument still baffles me), but this one is spot on.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Me too. I knew the writing wasn't good but I couldn't articulate why. Also, the Behind The Scenes interviews with the show runners clinched it for me. ("But what if they were all stupid?" and "Reference! Reference! Reference"). They had NO plan or desire to make anything good. I only feel sorry for the prop and set decorator people, who clearly poured their heart and souls into this show by following all the source material to the letter.

[@nananderson7259]

@KneelB4Bacon and people keep saying we don't like it because it "isn't like the games!!1111!" but no? The show's own writing fails it as a narrative before it fails it as an adaptation.

[@EbonyPope]

Do you still like the show though? For me the acting of Lucy and the Ghoul really save this show. Waltong Goggins performance is really something that elevates something mediocre to interesting enough for at least to be invested in. Edit: The supporting character do really feel like DEI hires and also their acting is on that level. Also why is the show trying to make a granny the villain? Sorry grannies aren't scary.

[@AnthonyJacobs-lt1zc]

These people don't even know how money works. one of the biggest satires is you can find pre-war money everywhere, but it's meaningless because the new currency is caps

[@DashingSteel]

Well, I don't know how it worked in the original 2 games but in 3, NV and 4 Pre-War money are actually a hidden form of currency, because believe it or not they actually fetch a nice price in caps and weigh basically nothing. It actually always made a lot of sense to me that pre-war money would be used as currency afterall, just with insane inflation to it. Simply because the banknotes utilize pre-war anti-counterfit measures that cannot be replicated by any means and can be found in huge stacks. Lore and logic implications aside, DO collect all pre-war money you find. It'll be worth your while every single time.

[@AnthonyJacobs-lt1zc]

@@DashingSteel the money we use is known as a" promissory note"the government says it's worth something without the government the money is meaningless. Most money nowadays is done like that

[@DashingSteel]

@@AnthonyJacobs-lt1zc I mean...If these days people manage to sell literal JPEG's online why wouldn't someone be able to sell a stack of Dolla Dolla Bills to a trader that us quite likely lugging about junk like broken tin cans and and empty cola bottles? In Fallout economy anything seems to cost as much caps as someone's willing to pay for it. Not to mention: We clearly see examples of pre-war tech out there surviving the bombs and being way too tough to just be broken into, like a vending machine built into the wall for example. Those kinds of machines would accept pre-war money and dispense some primo shit like mint condition weapons, armor, food, ice cold nuka-colas, you name it! In Dead Money the Sierra Madre casino still deals in pre-war money and can exchange it for gold bars. Pre-War money has a use in Fallout.

[@DawudSandstorm2]

The fact they nuked the NCR and didn't at all cover the consequence of a government collapsing while on the brink of famine and with considerable societal divisions is utterly criminal. A divided NCR in Civil War with the Barons, Mormons, various raider factions, and the Legion fighting in the remnants would be 1000x more interesting than the trash they came up with, and would have actually made something of the fall of the most significant Wasteland faction, outside some silly cultists in a vault.

[@herscher1297]

Its insane how much of a waste this show is

[@michaelostergren3516]

How do you know the NCR is gone completely? Not one bit of the show says directly that the NCR has fallen. Only the capital got nuked. Hardly the end of the world for them. But probably paralyzed the government since that's where all big politicians were. What probably happend is the next president became conservative. Instead of the endless expansion they could no longer maintain. Probably pulled out of new vegas and moved the capital to the hub. Also the story isn't about the NCR its about vault tech and what their actual plan was for the vaults. Also before you start screeching about "VAULT TECH DROP THE BOMBS BUHHH" Its only implied that they planned to do so. If they dropped the bombs they would be idiots since they were not at ready for the vaults to be used yet. It's still up in the air on who launched first. Also you can't introduce all that crap from the lore all in one show. It would be constant exposition. They kept it small at first and it's clear they will expand the scope as things go on.

[@eatshytforlife8751]

Because todd has a boner for the brotherhood and the NCR killed his dog.

[@mizu7662]

The government didn't collapse, thats entirely something people made up because they assumed the fact that the NCR isn't interested in spending resources holding an irradiated hole in the ground must mean they collapsed instead of them having just pulled resources away from a now mostly useless holding to consolidate their hold on their other territories. Moldaver is literally a member of the NCR, her base is clearly labeled as being an NCR outpost. All signs point to it being the NCR that gave her the resources she was using to try and get that cold fusion thing working. People are literally crying about fanfiction they made up when they say the NCR as a faction has ceased to exist.

[@herscher1297]

@@mizu7662 that would only shift the problem to the ncr being incompetent/stupid

[@spokajutlandandmetallurgis3404]

Todd Howard wanted to legalize with this series that he is the "creator" of Fallout. I'm glad a lot of people don't swallow it. Thank you for the material.

[@lemmy154]

They will do it in a while

[@justinstoll4955]

Let's hope people realize that.

[@the_real_inquisitor]

There are more than enough people going for the show. I think it works out for Todd. At least the new mainstream fanbase will see it that way.

[@donovandelozier7156]

​@@the_real_inquisitor sounds like tourists and not fans.

[@ShaddySoldier]

​@@donovandelozier7156that's what old fans of a lot of stuff I used ro enjoy said. "Its just tourists" The thise tourists destroyed the things and moved on.

[@SpankMyFace]

it seems the writers have confused "capitalism" with the World Economic Forum...

[@baronsengir187]

An you confused everything in the show with capitalism as well. Capitalism is not once mentioned in the show.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@baronsengir187 lmao you’re kidding right?

[@stunningandbased5516]

@@baronsengir187 You can turn the sound on, you know?

[@fathorse8]

"The world has cancer, and that cancer is man" is a more convinicing motivation for nuking the world than "winning at the game of capitalism" ngl

[@jakelee7083]

@@baronsengir187 1:42:38 It literally was.

[@jyphelballet7569]

What a breath of fresh air seeing the non sense of Fallout show premise, and not praising for basic bad fan service. Thanks Mauler.

[@venomsnake4042]

Considering Bethesda's track record, Fallout 5 is definitely gonna ignore or contradict what show sets up. Won't be surprised if Shady Sands suddenly gets rebuilt and no one acknowledges that it got nuked

[@Firguy]

I wouldn't consider any of that to be Canon. The writers completely buggered the lore just like every other writer does.

[@65firered]

They would have to. Despite the claim they made that the show is canon, trying to make a Fallout game using this shows lore would be flat out stupid and self-defeating.

[@Imfphas20]

Nah, Bethesda can't write any Fallout narrative without it centering around finding a family member and taking place in a barley inhabited wasteland. West Coast will just end up looking like the East Coast.

[@almalone3282]

​@@65fireredUnless they go to a completely different region like Hawaii or Florida. But at that point why bother with the tv show in the first place.

[@almalone3282]

​@@mikeehrmantraut1899Fallout 5 will be so streamlined its gonna make skyrim look like morrowind.

[@OseanBigshot444]

[32:50] I think Mauler says "Maximus decides to go on a 'T A R D rage' and save Lucy..." but the auto-caption says "Todd rage", and you know what, it just works. Some other things I'm too lazy to find timestamps for: How does Maximus move the armor and get dead Titus out? The yaogui bats the armor over, and you see how heavy it falls to the ground. He dies in the armor, sitting back against a boulder, blocking the release handle. Yet Max somehow moves it, presumably standing it up, to remove dead Titus and get in. Also, doesn't old BOS guy comment on how Max is wearing Knight rank red jumpsuit? So Max stole Titus' clothes too, and they happened to fit perfectly? What possible injury did Titus have, other than minor laceration on face? Couldn't have been crushed, the steel wasn't deformed; just a couple superficial scratches from the yaogui. Where did BOS get the keyed fusion cores, other cores don't have key slots. Lucy frees Max from immobile armor, yet he somehow moves the armor several feet off the platform, farther than it would have fallen even if he was able to push it over from its immobile standing position, again how? But in Filly he needed a winch to hoist it up. Then how does Hank also move the armor, extract dead headless guy, then get in silently and in a matter of seconds apparently, while Lucy is standing a few feet away, and looking in that direction? Max's repeated flashback scene - how does he survive the nuclear blast in a fridge, that has a LARGE VISIBLE OPENING in the back? It looks to be a fan grill that's completely open to the outside. So wouldn't he have received a lethal does of radiation at least? And they show this multiple times lol. The girl is staring in the direction of the first blast, wouldn't she blinded instantly? Wouldn't cowboy guy probably be blinded from one of other bombs after? Hanks awkward speech about hope, very weird the writers basically repeated the same line twice about hope (like an NPC). How did they miss the corporate Vault Tec sloganeering, ending the speech with something like "Here's to being prepared for the future!". Kyle deserved better. New Vegas actually looks kinda close to how it literally looks ingame in NV from a distance, which is a small caricature in old creation engine. How it SHOULD have looked, was that old NV CG trailer, where it's much bigger than in game, and all lit up on the horizon, like how you're supposed to IMAGINE it looks like while playing NV. Here it looked utterly abandoned and destroyed. Another miss. Like "oh yeah we remember you NV fans - fuck you all too!". Filly is basically just Diamond City, complete with the same reactor center. I like references and homages, but the show kinda felt a bit lazy asset flippy overall. I got the same vibe from this show, as the Halo S1 - made by NOT fans, for NOT fans, and actually just FUCK THE FANS, we're body-snatching this IP and wearing its saggy skin suit, and you'll eat it up and like it, cause this is the trash we're feeding you. Well much like Disney SW, FUCK THEIR SHIT CANON, it's not canon for me.

[@fantasticmrmonk]

“There are no accidents”

[@grimjoker5572]

Your points about moving the power armor are valid; yet this is minor continuity nitpicking. The show isn't perfect. The bear tore into Titus's back and sides while he was on the ground; that is what killed him. We don't know he actually survived the blast in the fridge; merely that he was found in a fridge afterwards. We don't know how long he was in that fridge. Why would a knight be walking around where a nuke just went off? I assume she's far enough away from the nuke yet this is another one of those minor nitpicks. Yet nukes in Fallout behave very inconsistently; as does radiation. Not that this isn't a flaw, it's just a flaw common to the franchise. Yes, a person in a stressful situation is not the most eloquent after weeks of being kept in a cage. I don't care how you think New Vegas should have looked. I don't care about your personal opinion of Filly. Yes; I'm sure with your preconceived notions and hostile attitude you perceived a lot of insults and bad faith in the show. Yet that's not coming from the show.

[@OseanBigshot444]

​@@grimjoker5572 If you don't care, why are you spending so much time thinking about it and responding??? lol. I watched the show before any spoilers or commentary 2 weeks ago. I only just found this, and it's 100% accurate. The Yao guai tore into his back and sides? I guess I was supposed to use my imagination then, don't remember any visible damage to sides and back in any scene there or after. So the kid survived the nuke exposed, not in the Indy fridge, but then lives inside the fridge after for fun? Hank's speech was in the FIRST episode...BEFORE the cage. Did you even watch the show? I'm probably just arguing with a Bethesbot. Strip out all the Fallout imagery and references, make it "new IP post-apoc show", and people wouldn't be praising it. They be saying it's mediocre, and it probably would be cancelled after S1.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@Trigger.444 don’t bother with him Strider 1, he’s definitely just an MQ-101 sent by Arsenal Bird.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@Slender_Man_186 Somebody's mad that they never have an argument. How adorable. Scurry along now.

[@nelguinevere4036]

Whole internet: this is a great show My poor ass: oh man, I need to find time to watch it, I guess... Mauler: being Mauler My poor ass: oh thank fuck

[@ohokay8966]

I am glad you watched this instead of the show because I regretted wasting my time watching that slop.

[@Mereologist]

It set off my woke sensors so I avoided it like the plague.

[@roiking2740]

Did the writers ever consider that vault tech can’t sell vaults during a nuclear war?

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

It isn’t just selling them. The government ordered them to make them and paid them to make what they ordered, in case the nuclear bombs actually happened

[@roiking2740]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes But they can't earn money by having the bombs drop. Vault tech earn the most money from fear of nuclear war not from it actually happening.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

@@roiking2740Right, they can’t which is how you can tell this movie was either written by people with no financial sense. Or written with the expectation that someone in the audience isn’t an accountant or someone who works in finance such as myself. I mean the nukes meant all the money is gone, people have to make up bottle caps as money because of the finite supply of bottle caps because new soda bottles were no longer being made along with limited water supplies after the nukes. That doesn’t even go into how you don’t even live in a mansion anymore but live an underground dormitory life that constitutes a Vault, which in the Fallout Universe means you spend your entire life in that Vault.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

No because the CEOs(including Mr. House) nuked the planet due to them wanting more power even if that means wiping out everyone for if you are left standing(outliving your completion) then you become the richest person in the world since you gained the world by default for that is a how evil they are and Mr. House was already planning 2 moves ahead of the other CEOs during the meeting(if you listen closely to way how he speaks). Also the true purpose of the vaults were not to be sold(look at the lore of the vaults and you will find out what their true purpose was and it is dark).

[@barrybend7189]

Also they completely character assassinated Big MT and Mr. House. Mr. House made his tower and Hoover dam into defensive fortifications against nukes to save NV. Big MT while deranged at least had members wanting to help people ( afterwards it gets crazy post war).

[@TempestRequiem0]

Omg. I thought I was being gaslighted with how many people were talking about how much they liked the Fallout show. You have no idea how much relief I feel seeing this pop up in my feed.

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

It's hard to understand how so many people ended up loving this show.

[@j.p.9522]

@@Gandalf-The-Gay It's easy to understand. Most TV shows are so terrible these days that critics who make a living off of calling it out, can't even recognize a good show when it comes along.

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

@@j.p.9522 Well, we still have to wait for that good show.

[@kylec8015]

@@j.p.9522 Yes, that would be a problem. It's a good thing Mauler and others have recognized recent quality shows like Arcane, Blue Eyed Samuri, Silo, The Last of Us, etc, so this criticism doesn't apply to them.

[@j.p.9522]

@@kylec8015 It's obvious Mauler is just pandering to the spergs determined to hate the show, because the tone is monotonously and disingenously ridiculing from the outset and throughout the review. He could have just as easily savaged The Last of Us if he took the same approach (like Heels V BabyFace did), especially with episode 3, which was hysterically bad. Since he reviewed The Last of Us with others, who had nothing but gushing praise for Episode 3, he simply bit his tongue on any critical tone and pandered to them, just like he's doing here.

[@TekkenMasterPL]

Finally, I thought I was going insane being surrounded by everyone glazing this show

[@slicedtopieces]

It's our responsibility to maintain standards in art and storytelling. The zombie hordes otherwise known as "fans" obviously won't.

[@duckchen2676]

@@slicedtopieces i wont rest until everyone on this earth follows the correct opinion

[@CapitalTeeth]

It's really telling that people only listen when a several hundred thousands subscriber big youtuber says this show sucks. Before this video dropped, any time you dared speak heresy against this show, all the mindless consoomers would come out of the woodwork to jump to its defence. "But the terrible writing is just a reference to the game" "You're objectively wrong" "Shut up and just let people enjoy things" "You're just a New Vegas elitist" "No, *_YOU_* haven't played the games" "[insert other gaslight attempt]" "I've played all the games, and..." (They're lying and never show any knowledge on Fallout lore) etc etc etc.... Funny thing is, how much do you want to bet they'll still sing the praises of this show 5 years down the line?

[@duckchen2676]

​@@CapitalTeeth what shows do people talk about >a year after the latest season ends? Breaking Bad/BCS is the only one I can think of. No one who likes it thinks its on that level. Maybe The Office/Friends but that was more of a revival fad, I don't hear about it anymore.

[@Mereologist]

@@duckchen2676 Some shows because mileage markers for success or failure. I do still see 'Seinfeld' references, and I do still see 'Velma' references.

[@anon17472]

Wouldn't Vault Tec's optimal business conditions be where there's a continued threat of nuclear war but it never actually happens?

[@johankarlsson1776]

Yes. But considering that in the show they supposedly "own half of everything" why would they even be all that invested in the vaults and the continuation of the war anyway? Sounds like they'd keep making tons of profits either way 🤷‍♀️ why would they see profit in destroying most of their own enterprise?

[@GideonRavenor712]

@@johankarlsson1776 That is effectively what the conclusion was in the lore PRIOR to this show. In 2077, while the Great War would begin in October of that year, Vault-Tec had already come up with its 2078 plans for the company's intended direction. They had discovered from the outrageous success of one of their more R&D oriented Vaults, that there was ENORMOUS profit to be made by simply pumping all of the defense contract money into R&D, as all new inventions or innovations made would all be Vault-Tec property and products, which could then be used not only to further outfit the Vaults themselves, but to sell on the open market for pure profit. In essence, they were making more money from producing technology and stuff AROUND the Vaults than actually making Vaults themselves, and they intended to base their future profits off of that, going forward if war did not occur. But the nukes fell in that year. Absolutely Vault-Tec has a vested interest in keeping the threat of a potential Nuclear War or global disaster going, because otherwise their defense contracts run out, but an actual war destroys them as a company no different than if that hysteria vanishes.

[@GideonRavenor712]

Exactly, which is entirely what their business model became, in-lore before this show. Specifically, transitioning the company to a more R&D focus because the profit there was huge. Now, one could argue that there is a difference between Vault-Tec's public face, and their Enclave-controlled backroom, but The Enclave merely anticipated the war eventually heating up and prepped accordingly, they themselves didn't start it either. Nor did most who worked for Vault-Tec knew about the connection either. In terms of Vault-Tec as a company, as far as 99% of its employees knew, its ideal situation is that the hysteria continues, but no nukes actually fly, and while that 1% may have known the nukes would eventually fly they didn't want to see it happen immediately, nor knew exactly when because they had no direct power over the situation.

[@captainfach]

Nah that's like saying that the best way to sell your game is to keep telling people it's going to come out soon but it never actually comes out. You get to a point of diminishing returns until the business Falls because it's been so long that people stop believing that it will actually come

[@anon17472]

@@captainfach problem is that makes sense for just about every instance except the end of the world though. Diminishing returns is better than civilisation coming to an end. I mean what does a monopoly matter if there's no economy to rule and no services and products to spend your gains on?

[@armokgodofblood6519]

It makes even less sense if you played the games. The references to the games are not a defense at all

[@Holesale00]

I kept waiting for them to actually use the lore bullshit they kept dangling in our face in the form of references and call backs to the game but it never happened and i just accepted that this will stay dumb.

[@romannumeralvii4285]

Them constantly jangling new vegas references in my face made me want to fucking vomit. It’s like “oh look, ruined potential of an actual faction from a good story, thanks show!”