Termina Skills Tier List

[@Zeonis]

I'd imagine once Tanaka becomes playable, his skilltree will get reworked. Hopefully.

[@zephshoir]

Alll-mer also needs fo be reworked imo

[@lazardragicevic5096]

I hope Caligura also gets a better skill-tree, it's a bit limited. I'd also like for Samarie to get a bit more love, cause her tree only involves professional meat beating and like blood sacrifice

[@foulcharacter3863]

​@@lazardragicevic5096 both her skills are really good, they allow marina to gain max affinity with all gods

[@dakkuro2466]

@@zephshoir yea there are like zero reasons to choose Alll-Mer over God of FaH

[@lionofash7700]

@@zephshoir Unless Alll-Mer is intentionally bad in this game for lore reasons

[@zephshoir]

18:57 Poison Tip can be used on the menu, outside of battle. It doesn't really have this downside and thus is much better.

[@shushupyounaughtyminx4832]

One thing about Termina I haven't seen covered well is the different ways Needles can kill your party / other contestants if you don't deal with him

[@AllureKaraoke]

Counter Stance can easily be a S Tier. I know ir’s situacional, but boy, if u have Leechmonger’s ring equipped, and cast counter stance in a battle with multiple bosses or bosses that attacks more Than 2 times per turn like the Ratkins Crew, u will always have your HP on full, and never die. I would put it in the S tier

[@청포도-d8g]

"Miss"

[@MiMi-tg3xn]

Inverse crown and spontaneous combustion are pretty good at what are they are doing, so don't forget to save before using. Wasn't mischief of rats guarantee hit before?

[@Владислав-ы9м5у]

Rats were slightly nerfed.

[@confused5846]

Those two skills are literally the best way to avoid being noticed by the moon

[@webbermain6910]

@@confused5846 the crown of all-mer is insanely good, get it as soon as you can

[@francoguzman1236]

Spontaneous Combustion is just so awesome, It has so much fire damage than your average murky vial and has higher passive damage as similar as poison

[@Dovahkiin62]

Bare fisted proficiency is for the Chads with zero fear of monsters

[@houseofbehr9983]

Zero fear and maximum hunger for violence

[@breddie_is_rookie]

Adrenaline Rush + Bob and Weave + 16+ AGL + Counter Stance + Quick Jabs, Marcoh is a powerhouse, you prolly don't need anyone else's skill tree

[@slysamuel5902]

@@breddie_is_rookie What’s AGL?

[@froilanflorentino1252]

​@@houseofbehr9983Fear that there'll be no more monstrosities to punch GoFH approves, gives you extra hands and agility points

[@nathanwarner4278]

Poison Tip can be applied right before a battle to save that turn, and then it lasts for the whole battle still. I wouldn't say that makes it S, but it certainly sits at the top of A.

[@owenduffy5745]

Some notes: Poison tip can be set up before battle in the overworld so you don't have to waste a turn Red arc has literally can't miss even on headshots and has a high chance to stun so it's kinda game breaking. Executioner is bugged and does nothing or is already base kit Greater meditation is currently bugged and makes you unable to automatically block coin flips unless you get perfect guard first

[@thesparrow1116]

Greater Meditation shouldnt be obtained, not only is it bugged but base meditation grants two rev points which makes this obsolete. Also get base meditation before perfect guard

[@joaquinbaume1291]

you can actually kill Pav on day 2 morning on the city gates, he is confronting Marcoh and you can kill him or Marcoh or both

[@fernandogabriel7847]

Pretty sure u can even kill him at day 1 morning when he goes confronting Kaiser and gets sliced

[@ElwindMage]

You can kill him early at morning if you go to the Sylvania Square in the morning as Karin which is pretty easy considering you can instantly persuade and kill him in those 2 turns of hesitation.

[@droidetormenta]

Marcoh and Tanaka actually

[@TerranGhost55]

it was fun getting to catch this live, hope im able to catch the next one!

[@NeostormXLMAX]

2:30 blood lust has changed, its different from the original fear and hunger

[@AAa-kq6ro]

what's it do?

[@iconic410]

@@AAa-kq6ro You can target limbs now

[@alostcosmonaut4064]

Playable Pav is the reason why I persist.

[@AllureKaraoke]

I would put Rot on S tier too. Cause It’s soooo useful in the mosquism mode when u use combined with white Spice forge. (First Rot)

[@redeveer6647]

Fecal hounds and most normal villages (Pipe ones will still attack you) are the only thing killing intent work on. I dunno about cherubs pretty sure they still come after you based on my recent playtheiugh

[@AAa-kq6ro]

cherubs sometimes run away, and sometimes don't.

[@pigger1010]

FeCal hounda sounds like something that could actually exist in this game

[@sidekic1109]

@@pigger1010 that's because Fecal Hounds do exist in the game

[@sidekic1109]

based off of the wiki, what killing intent is supposed to scare off of is SPECIFICALLY Villager (Sickle) Villager (Knives) Fecal hound Fallen cherub so the pipe villagers or riflemen don't count and there's likely just some bug with the cherubs

[@phyllotaxis]

It's definitely helped when I was getting chased by the mob and deathmasks

[@percocetthirty]

i love your character portrait it fits the fear and hunger vibe

[@SadTown99]

Thank you for putting all these WingDing video guides out 🤝

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

I gotta disagree hard on photosynthesis. It works during 2/3 of the game, and it lets you conserve healing items. So it's like Pav's "bury the trauma" but for the most important consumables in the game, and all it costs is a bit of hunger (who cares?) And a bit of sanity (again, who cares?). Better yet it's more like a ring of wraiths for the world map. It's a skill you should absolutely put on a party member while you give greater photosynthesis to yourself, because as best I can tell they don't stack.

[@LotusGramarye]

Health is not an important resource lmao. Or a hard to manage one, rather. You need to conserve you just avoid combat. Not always the easiest thing to do, mind you (looking at the mob v_v ), but like, the enemy ambushes that are hard to avoid will most likely kill you even if you're at full HP so either way photosynthesis ain't helping there. Also it works more for like maybe a 1/5 of the game. It doesn't work indoors... which is where u are most of the time.

[@bongosmcdongos4190]

@@LotusGramarye why would I avoid combat when I get so much good shit for it? If I'm low on health inside I can just....go outside.

[@C0C0L0QUIN]

You can use it to bloodlet yourself at will getting lovey dovey woth Gor-Goroth for free

[@PineappleLiar]

It could also be that it’s completely worthless on one of the three difficulties (Masochism), given that mode takes place entirely on the third night, and thus there’s never an opportunity for regen. So it’s all debuff for no gain.

[@sidekic1109]

@@PineappleLiar sure but that's 1/3 modes and it's the EX gigahard mode, I mean I wouldn't say the rifle is worse than the shotgun if I had infinite ammo of both no?

[@eligrimsley7869]

Man, I saw inverse crown of thorns in the S tier in the thumbnail and thought “yeah finally! A good spell! I can use!” So I grinded out the whole alll-mere skill tree for it and then tried to use it before fighting logic and lost 5 hours of save progress

[@AllureKaraoke]

I also have a problem with Blood Sword and Longinus aswell. They cost mind and turn to cast unless u use the white Spice Forge potion to iniciate battle with it without spending a Turn. Plus it doesn’t even deals much damage.

[@droidetormenta]

2 Things I wanna say 1. You can find Pav on Day 2 morning if Tanaka and Marcoh are alive in the entrance to the city. If you don't kill him there he will kill both, if you do you get his Soul and back in the train Olivia and Marcoh become party members. 2. Black Smog literally carried me through the whole game. It hits everything and has High chances of blinding and poisoning plus Double Black Smog doesn't cost extra mind, It will hit everything twice and not 2 random enemies and more chance of blinding/poisoning. (Also the Greater spice not only makes the attack cost way less mind but as well makes it able to use it without using Rev Points)

[@Uhh_Vic]

I did not get any of this through my skull, but you explained it really well tho, so I did learn something!

[@muffy7268]

you're just like sin

[@Uhh_Vic]

@@muffy7268 this is the best compliment I’ve ever gotten right next to being compared to Elphelt Valentine

[@KazumiKiguma]

Hurting's name was even funnier in the first game with the blank scrolls. O LORD GIVE HURTING lol

[@faustblackheart2231]

Big thanks for such useful video!

[@tomhuynh3867]

Killing intent need to cause paralysis in enemies based on your stats on or above their own.

[@sidsscrumpy1647]

I'm pretty sure Executioner is glitched rn, cause I can one tap stunned enemies even without this perk (either shooting the 1st time or stunning them with booby trap). Or maybe this perk activates automatically when Levi is in the party? Cause I usually let him join me on day 1 and never find shotguns be4 meeting him. Also why is Wrench Toss op? I genuinely haven't used it once so I really don't know what it does.

[@LotusGramarye]

yeah ppl figured out a while ago that executioner doesn't actually do anything since the two-hit kill with a shotgun already works. probably a coding issue which isn't surprising since the first game has a ton of stuff that still doesn't work properly. I really hope orange fixes it, not by making u need the ability to do that, but changing the ability entirely so it's better. 'cuz guns rn I feel are in a good spot balance-wise, and it'd be nice if Levi had at least one really good skill to make him worth using. also give him the ability to craft ammo, orange. there's gun powder in the game but we can't do anything with it what the fudge !!

[@thalden2384]

​@grei4349im 3 months late but wrench toss is op because it 100%stuns the part you're atacking (unless the part has inmune to stun) so if you have abela she can shut down inmediatly the most dangerous limp from the enemy and you can perma stun

[@brandonwaller94]

Heck, on the note of talking about wanting more locked doors, frankly I want even more areas in the town to explore in general, or expansions of previous areas that otherwise had little to look for. Still haven't beaten Termina yet, but after having explored "nearly" the entire thing I'm shockingly salivating over here just to have more places to roam around in, more bits of possible lore to dig up... Like I just want "more" of what the game already has to offer, period. Oh, and more possible playable characters, and if not having a playable Tanaka they should at least do something to make his "skill tree" more inviting. At the very least maybe let/make his tree give higher stat buffs the longer he manages to stay alive in the festival or something since otherwise as it stands there's really no good reason to keep him around what-so-ever.

[@Kalihandle]

Poison tip can be used outside of combat so you don’t need to waste a turn. Just apply it before you enter the battle. I haven’t experimented with it much so I’m not completely sure about the mechanics of how long it stays on outside of a battle.

[@hasgames3231]

Killing intent doesn't affect Cherubs found out the hard way

[@xvi7307]

Huh... didn't know Abella's Short Circuit can fuck up and not open the lock.

[@waltervoidbringer4491]

Never had that happen to me. What a strange feature

[@FlamesOfASD]

The failure chance only appears if she’s the main character, as a party member it will always work

[@hasgames3231]

It says it's a 50/50 but I never had it failed so I'm not sure, its like the description of pep pills where it implies it is addicting like heroine but it's not

[@DragoonBoom]

Short circuiting is all about breaking electronics. She's a little too good at her job so she accidentally fixes them instead sometimes.

[@afb8425]

Termina enemy design tier list when?

[@anametoignore2286]

Im obsessed with this game right now but I only have so much time I can play and more time where I can listen so its reslly nice that he's not spoiling the useful abilities, I have yet to make it out of the city even

[@paladin0777]

Love the vids man. Question for you, I can’t for the life of me find Caligura in his moon scorched form. Where is he?

[@MautheDoog]

Once Caligura's moonscorched, he shows up in the sewers. You'll see him poking his head out of the water in a few locations down there, and if you trigger him looking a few times he'll attack

[@NotBamOrBing]

En Garde has a pretty severe bug downside: if enemies have an ability they're hardcoded to use in the first round of combat, they use it immediately after any "start of combat" actions like En Garde (or a First spell from the spice forge but that's a lot more useful than En Garde)

[@Lectures_de_Lineia]

Was Spice Forge changed? I swear the first spell costs mind (and that using it with scorched earth meant I ran out of alcohol pretty fast). Also it's sadly really bugged out. Your party members can also get the spell, sometimes you get a spell you didn't even have out of it (?), and enemies can use their turn right after the first spell which makes it less powerful than a regular turn. At least it doesn't require REV points...

[@MautheDoog]

I misspoke, first spells do cost Mind to use

[@A1ib0y]

I think replacing the magic attack increases with extra spices for spice forge would be a great way to make them better

[@MautheDoog]

that would be pretty interesting

[@donnydarko47]

the smog spell carried me hard through most of the game for the aoe damage and the blind at the same time

[@Purin-theCat]

Hey Mauthe, I was testing characters after I missed all attacks in a single encounter when I was playing with Olivia. What do you think about character accuracies? Does Olivia have lower accuracy with melee weapons parallel to her situation?

[@MautheDoog]

afaik there's no differences in accuracy between characters

[@Purin-theCat]

@@MautheDoog Oh thanks 🙏 I was started to think Olivia is the hard mode of the game without choosing the hard mode lol Anyways after I asked this question, in another Olivia run I didn't miss that much I think it's the pure unlucky of mine -,-

[@sidekic1109]

@@Purin-theCat iirc Olivia is actually one of the strongest characters in the game, the biggest hurdle is the obvious one but you can overcome it with a mountain of knowledge

[@fast.food.ninjalarry954]

Fun Fact: A movie that came with the same name Sisu. Sisu is a Finnish word that doesn't have an exact translation but it means something close to determination,strength of will,courage and the the will to grab on that courage no matter the adversity. Hence it be cooler for the skill to do something closer to the hardened heart but still it let's you survive a round. Also is August a Finn ?

[@MautheDoog]

He's a descendant of Ragnvaldr who is from the region (maybe not Finland specifically but around there at least)

[@countdampeer15]

When next tier list? Also, subbed because i like your avatar and your laugh, good work man.

[@singbiribiri4987]

Why is wench toss good ? Don't you need to re-equip it everytime I use it ? Plus the stun doesn't even work ? Or am I using the skill wrong lol

[@joaquinbaume1291]

it does decent damage early on but yeah i don't think it's S tier at all

[@MautheDoog]

It stuns the limb that it targets and almost all early game enemies only have one limb you need to worry about. You do have to reequip, but the target limb is stunned while you do it anyway. Plus, many early enemies can be one-shot by it

[@joaquinbaume1291]

@@MautheDoog didn't know about the stun now it makes sense

[@VillainViran]

I remember having seen Terrifier a couple months before the game and freaking out when I thought I saw him in the game lol

[@zeroimagination6191]

I will put bob and wave a lot higher, is tru is rng based but with marcoh chosing agility at the begining and later full skil Marcoh carried me hard all the game, basically almost untouchable. And with the ring that give you lifesteal i was always full health. In sumary Marcoh is a really fun character to play, also jojo reference xd.

[@ADarkRaccoon]

No

[@yunasatari4041]

LMFAO 💀

[@thesparrow1116]

Bob & Weave is really fantastic when combo'd with Glass Sharding the enemy Then slap phermones on Marcoh and the game kinda breaks,

[@swarrior67]

I would love Mind Read could open new Dialogue Avenues.

[@AllureKaraoke]

Why Red Arc is S tier? Like… it’s a magic spell that deals moderate damage. And that’s all

[@MautheDoog]

It ignores evasion, so you can use it to hit heads at any time!

[@AllureKaraoke]

Yeah. Ure right. I Just figured that out. Red Arc It’s definetely S tier.

[@Ivanoho]

It also stuns

[@katherinehertel1360]

The problem with Executioner is that the upgrade it supposedly gives to trenchguns, insta killing a stunned enemy, is just how it works by default. It does literally nothing in the current version of the game.

[@st0rts11D4]

Havent figured out inverse crown of thorns yet. Tried it today. Too heavy for marcohs head, died.

[@jetstream6396]

I'd put En Garde in F tier, because when I used it against Crimson Father he got to make a free move right after my En Garde. He chose to mind control Abella. She had the meat grinder. Yeah, someone died. It's a huge lability sometimes, and I'm not sure if this is intentional.

[@NotBamOrBing]

It's a bug, if you perform an action at the start of combat then if your enemy is coded to use an ability turn 1 it'll use it immediately after

[@crowbarviking3890]

I never go for fast stance, getting agility + 5 from the idol and +5 from the engraving skill gives every villager, ghoul or party member double actions.

[@MautheDoog]

the issue is there's a few fights where that doesn't cut it (Rher, Yellow King, Heartless), but Pep Pills and Fast Stance do (and Fast Stance is effectively free)

[@apal1329]

Hey, when is your next stream? Tell please

[@marlow7376]

thank you twitch chat i will always remember that Olivia is the best

[@cowboi61]

counter stance plus leechmonger ring?

[@mexlo1001]

Man's out here tryna pronounce "sisu"

[@MautheDoog]

is it pronounced sisu or sisu?

[@rwbyab7423]

​@@MautheDoog some people pronounce it sisu but it's definitely sisu, don't let em fool ya

[@shumishumi2059]

MORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@megan9627]

I kill Pav morning of day 2 and get access to his abilities..?

[@BeetleBones1870]

number 1 skill, Attack

[@salahzaye1783]

can someone please tell me how to get blood sacrifice

[@PineappleLiar]

It’s late, but you need to go to the church and kill Samarie, most likely on Day 2, depending on your progression. She’s in the basement and poses a fairly tough fight.

[@diogostw7286]

If you get to her on day 1 you can kill her no problem without fighting her moonscorched form

[@miguelcanoura9355]

Mauthe doog: I love "hurting"... Judge: you are hereby sentenced for violence *stikes the hammer*

[@mikelthemafia]

My guy... do you even fear and hunger? In fear and hunger devour was good, free food, if you have skillissue and just click yes on devour before looting its a skill issue. The boobytrap stuns the enemy if you attack them quick enough.

[@eusou0]

The only disagreement I have is that I think the game is a little more balaced than what your tier choices make it seem (not saying it's perfectly balanced). B being the average tier should contain most of the skills... The whole point is comparing them to each other, right? It should be proportional etc

[@Aegis19-f2t]

This s tier is so cruel lmao

[@ComradeMaryFromMars]

Trap craft is pretty good actually the booby traps give you a huge advantage and the definite bear trap is really nice for not needing RNG as much it's like low B or high C

[@wl4316]

En Garde as of now is bugged and doesn't do anything. And I gotta disagree with Longinus and Blood Sword, considering you waste one turn casting them and are worse than, say, black steel. Chains of torment and Rher spells too because... (80 / 50 mind? Really?)

[@MautheDoog]

are you referring to the En Garde keybinding? You have to bind it to a new key, since sprinting now uses Shift instead

[@gumboh]

marina is best girl but olivia is fine

[@meganmartinez3467]

boy**

[@29dox90]

​@@meganmartinez3467no she is a girl