Max Level in the Tutorial of Dark Souls Follow-Up

Alternative Title: Striking While The Iron Is Hot
This video builds off of my previous video about reaching the max soul level of 713 in Dark Souls without leaving the tutorial. Please watch that video if you haven't already.
Original Video: • Grinding to the Max Le...
In this video I expand on some points in the original video, and answer some questions. Thanks to everyone who watched the original video, I hope you find this one enjoyable as well!
Thanks to "cottonbro" at Pexels.com for the two pieces of stock footage present in the video!
00:00 - Intro/How Long Would It Realistically Take?
02:49 - How is 241 months 18 years?
03:40 - Could Parrying Be Faster Than Backstabbing?
04:52 - Str/Dex Scaling for Longsword Damage?
05:10 - What about Soul Arrow?
06:14 - How Long Would it Take in NG+7?
08:42 - What If You Duped the Soul Item?

[@FenoTheFox]

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse... onto Dark Souls II!

[@elviskeiskiwannstrom8995]

Can't wait till ds3

[@FenoTheFox]

@@elviskeiskiwannstrom8995 don't remind me

[@nebulouscat2210]

YES

[@germanaussie6138]

@@FenoTheFox You’ve been reminded.

[@kheran1912]

@@elviskeiskiwannstrom8995 This is how much time it will take to be lvl max in Dark Souls lll SL 1 to 802=2.634.163.943 souls required Class used: Assassin SL 10 to 802=2.634.163.943-811 =2.634.163.132 (you need 811 souls to be SL 10 when SL 9) Covetous Silver Serpent Ring acrease the number of souls per 10% Without Covetous Silver Serpent Ravenous Crystal Lizard=4k souls Iudex Gundyr=3k souls Sword Master=2k souls (*23) Hollows=20 souls (24 if the damage inflicted ≥150% of life) (drop 1 Fading soul=50 souls) 1 Starved Hound=10 souls With Covetous Silver Serpent Ring Ravenous Crystal Lizard=4.4k souls Sword Master=2.2k souls (*23) Hollows=22 souls (26 if the damage inflicted ≥150% of life) 1 Starved Hound=11 souls Souls to pick up : 2 Soul of a Deserted Corpse=200 {400 the two souls} 1 Soul of an Unknown Traveler=800 1 Sovereignless Soul=2000 (burial gift) Time : 4min 02sec73 12800 In the soul counter (by Ravenous Crystal Lizard=4.4k souls Sword Master=2.2k souls Iudex Gundyr=3k souls 2 Soul of a Deserted Corpse=200 {400 the two souls} 1 Soul of an Unknown Traveleru=800 1 Sovereignless Soul=2000 (burial gift)) 13563 (Dead meanwhile) when every hollows and the starved hound were killed 8 hollow killed before the death = 8*26 =208 13563-12800=763-208=555 4,03×15=60,45 555*15=8325/h 2.634.163.132÷8325=316.415 hours = 36.09 years approximately

[@Emarrel]

I regret nothing.

[@kingkthulhu3588]

I wish i could be as earth shattering evil as you

[@mr.cathacker]

Drink liquid farts

[@HE13272326]

But what if on NG+7 you... nevermind

[@TheNemesisXt]

lol

[@MorpheusSL]

Just the comment I was looking for

[@HoduAphrodite]

"My grandfather has been playing this Dark Souls challenge since he was a kid. Now it's your time." - someone who doesn't value their time

[@TheCompleteMental]

It's a challenge that's passed down between generations. Each gamer must do their part

[@yorulaney8563]

Omg xD

[@aj1046]

"wife give me another child, this one's a failure he nearly the lost 9999999 souls that my grandfather has earned! Son, remember in order to honor your grandfather's legacy you have to Git Gud"

[@autumnchan9225]

"don't go hallow like i have son"

[@slinkyslink5161]

He created your father while playing dark souls at the same time

[@Lanthardol]

Really love that we out here optimizing an impossible run.

[@Kayrim_Borlan]

I mean.... we're the Dark Souls community. We're all masochists

[@noobnoob8922]

And in the pain we find purpose

[@Jordan-zn2yr]

theorists are another breed

[@s_mitua4653]

It is not impossibile...

[@grizzlyowlbear3538]

@@s_mitua4653 "Improbable" would be the correct word

[@jagotiberan2181]

“I have no idea what karma is used for” You just found out what karma is used for.

[@maria_remedios]

milk's reading of the questions made this video really hilarious, she really nailed the "UHM, ACKSHUALLY" tone, i love it lmao

[@mayaur]

I went on some kind of a holy KZbin crusade, searching for her channel just because I thought the voice was funny. Couldn't find it

[@iota-09]

Am i the only who just found it annoying? I'm sure most people who made questions weren't being condescending at all...

[@mko4628]

@@iota-09 no you’re not the only one who found it annoying. I stopped the video because of that voice

[@velvetbutterfly]

Is her channel just called "Milk" or does it have a full name?

[@mr.mcedgelord1079]

That *MMF* caught me off guard.

[@Yuna-eu9xx]

Yeay dude. An unexpected twitch from my body hearing that

[@rabbitguy337]

What

[@jacaanthony]

Yeah.... didn't like how it made my pecker feel..

[@kerbrygaming2011]

I just wanna know which one of them did that.

[@FatherManus]

6:13

[@wikiwikiwa]

That pause after Feno states that no one will ever complete this challenge is just so ominous, I got chills.

[@jahredharrison4069]

I shall pass this task down to my children, and my children's children, for the sole purpose of debunking this video from a nursing home

[@tonkthefrogman1063]

This Channel is really an underappreciated little gem, another excellent video Feno! Can't wait for the next one

[@FenoTheFox]

Thank you! Hoping the reddit post does as well as last time

[@tonkthefrogman1063]

@@FenoTheFox Oh! Thats good news, the youtube algorithms being nice, I didn't come from Reddit

[@Xolze]

Just run a TAS bot for 18 years

[@darklusare7582]

or run both game and tas at x2 for 9 years ez

[@sorrychangedmyusername3594]

Imagine the electricity bill.

[@AnthonyDoesYouTube]

TAS bot at ×16 speed

[@AvisPraeda777]

Bitcoin mining.

[@rsethmika]

@@sorrychangedmyusername3594 step 1: get rich

[@OK.156]

If someone makes a good AI and just leaves it for 40-60 years then this could be possible

[@Triumph263]

You could increase the game speed and actually accomplish this a relatively short time.

[@Ironmaniacs7]

Yeah that's how you get a robot uprising.

[@toast8330]

I am a CS student studying AI...could be a fun challenge

[@D00000T]

@@toast8330 your professor is going to be questioning your sanity once you turn in a paper about it

[@NoNameAtAll2]

just tas it

[@Axel_Xirics_Music]

The NG+ spiraling into madness thing was ... so ... strangely satisfying to listen to

[@dixienormus5868]

i just wanna say HOW MUCH IS THAT MIC AND IN WHICH DARK AUCTION DID YOU OBTAIN IT FROM sounds like ASMR

[@FenoTheFox]

It's an AT2035 XLR mic (about $150) with a Behringer audio interface ($50)

[@noobnoob8922]

@@FenoTheFox you didn't answer his second question.

[@FenoTheFox]

@@noobnoob8922 The dark auction was Amazon

[@dragonsdream4236]

@@FenoTheFox always knew that bezos was invested in the dark arts...

[@dawifromanotherhold4120]

Very good, and for the next challenge... Can you find... POISE in Dark Souls III? :(:(:(:(

[@Kayrim_Borlan]

No

[@samdwichenjoyer]

No

[@btdforever9389]

It’s in the game now tho?

[@hoddtoward8779]

yes havels greatshield weapon art

[@imbadatnames1326]

What if you kill the asylum demon then quit out right as you kill him, this makes the game think the boss is dead when he actually isnt, that means you kill him more than once, doing this, you get 3000 souls every time, you should choose sorcerer or pyromancer though to make the glitch work

[@michaelpopup]

It would probably only shave off a few years

[@imbadatnames1326]

@@michaelpopup you could also choose black firebombs as your gift then dupe some of the souls with it (im pretty sure this glitch only works on Xbox or Ps4)

[@kaz7886]

@@imbadatnames1326 The souls still get consumed tho, so it would give him around 1-2k souls

[@kaz7886]

@@imbadatnames1326 Oh wait he spoke about that in the video

[@abnormallynormal8823]

I assumed MuhDryBread rules. No Glitches or Exploits, no items in combat, and you can only use Sorcerer. As you can see from its stats, this is gonna take FOREVER

[@gtothee5723]

Wow, such an awesome few videos. Need more videos like this!

[@havel4385]

now someone is going to make a AI to do this. in 18 years it will be done.

[@matthewtyler3726]

I discovered you from that first reddit post and now I'm subscribed :) your type of content is perfect for my taste!

[@FenoTheFox]

Thank you so much!

[@matthewtyler3726]

@@FenoTheFox oh also I loved the rant about NG+7. It frustrates me so much too!

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Well that took a dark turn. Are you okay.

[@PapaCritical]

damn i never even saw the follow up to this. nice content by the way! this cleared up alot of the questions i had in the back of my mind

[@schallfaden8325]

0:34 "Its a number on a website" You just understood karma

[@jessegifford7913]

Here from your previous video. Respect for fixing your errors, just commenting to boost your engagement.

[@JackQNielsen]

This deserves a lot more recognition than it’s getting. Hope to see you break the 1k sub barrier soon, keep up the good work!

[@FenoTheFox]

At the rate it's going I might reach it before I wake up!

[@Lewbee]

This is great content dude, thanks for making it! I can't belive you also know Emarrel, I'd assumed they'd died.

[@FenoTheFox]

They're only dead on the inside, all is well!

[@gabrielcoutinho4027]

you channel is a hidden gem, please keep doing those math darksouls videos, maybe some demon souls if you want for the hype

[@binarysun_]

Still waiting for the „challenge accepted“ on your „I can safely say that no one will ever…“

[@Jokamutta]

Great video! :)

[@travisoutlaw9511]

The level of 'Nerd' in this video is top shelf. Great content friend

[@timsganga4641]

It would be neat to see if one could create an ai that could repeatedly replicate a perfect run in a sped-up version of the game, making the process hands-off and much much faster

[@xWhiteRice]

ive put thousands of hours into ds1 and i had no idea it capped at ng+6. ive never gone past ng+3 without starting a new build and just took it on faith

[@trollguy3339]

I will force my future son to grind for a wr

[@sanguineregis5354]

I kinda want to set up a bot to do this challenge and just have it running and streaming on some computer in the basement of my house I will inevitably forget about

[@nimbus9314]

Rip you electricity bill

[@artiomgera6686]

How comes that you havent blown up by this series? It's fukkin awesome

[@FenoTheFox]

Eh, I did relatively speaking. I only had a couple of hundred subscribers before this, most of which came from my previous channel

[@artiomgera6686]

@@FenoTheFox oh, very well then. That's quiet nice tbh, keep it up. May sun enlight your channel, ashen one..

[@psyo_nade3177]

Amazing

[@lemongeth]

Your NG+7 rant had me cackling dude-

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Nice

[@oversizedfather2363]

my grandkids are going to have a lot of work to do continuing this for me 6:13

[@marknamett44]

i had to like it for the rant

[@ryanschultz4119]

Idk if that's your wife, girlfriend, or whomever reading the critical comments!? But she had me rolling! The inherent sarcasm in her voice is perfect. Absolutely captures the type of person who takes the time to nitpick KZbin videos on social media. And your New Game plus 7 rant was hilarious! Great video!!!

[@Trugamerjr]

6:14 is probably my favorite rant ever

[@deadstrategy9642]

I may never finish this challenge but I’m still gonna try

[@archlifts947]

Bruh why u be 5k subs u should be round 100k and more i subbed

[@hex_gekko29568]

I feel like it would be quicker to just soul arrow the closest enemies and then run back to the bonfire. Going to longsword guy takes so much time in running.

[@prawngravy18]

did you not watch the video?

[@hex_gekko29568]

@@prawngravy18 He insists on killing all the enemies when I am saying since they give only a few souls that he should only be killing the closest enemies and running back to bonfire.

[@rodrigodelemos9048]

@@hex_gekko29568 what closest enemies? there's the two (maybe three? I forget) enemies back down from the ladder but that would probably be a worse way to gain money. There's the one on the stairs but doing a run for only 20 souls wouldn't be very efficient, at that point might as well run to the three hollows just an alley ahead and once you kill them, why not just take an extra 10 seconds and kill the sword guy who gives you as many souls as all 4 previous enemies combined.

[@Clonesoldier501]

@@prawngravy18 he didnt consider this method

[@shadow105720]

The Longshore guy doubles the soul gain for hardly any time loss. You would have to be able to kill the stair hollow more than 8 times in under a minute which i don't think you can do.

[@Draconamous]

Question. Would leaving the asylum beating the game at sl1 to make it ng+6 void the challenge if you empty inventory?

[@ksad96]

The Emmarel bit might be the funniest thing I've seen this week, and that's after binging old Zero Punctuation vids so I'd say it's a 10/good joke

[@torosushi6423]

Small correction: at 9:40 you added an extra 0 in 17,820,000. Great video btw.

[@MyDarkestSins]

I love this its too much and i love it

[@JanHatt007AX]

This could be a challenge to pass along to your descendants

[@michasokoowski6651]

Ok, now make this a speedrun category...

[@tejayplant7069]

40000h wr

[@conan2096]

time to turn my mindset into a grindset!

[@tevlex6141]

I'll do it as soon as my tetris speedrun is finished

[@Myriadconsciousness]

Did not expect the rage love it dying laughing

[@tahraki4918]

He's avoiding the question. What's the time on NG+7!?

[@tubeguy4066]

there is no NG+7

[@tahraki4918]

@@tubeguy4066 wooosh

[@tototriceps]

This challenge cannot be done by a human, only if he is a hollow maybe. But this is almost the perfect task for an A.I. together with a speed up game!!!

[@forcabrasil6128]

30 years unstopping... Yeah, it is really dark to the soul of the player.

[@khoango2337]

Lolololol why is this so interesting? I watched the whole video.

[@voidatlas546]

Dude if you played Darksouls for 18 years you would be a master of the game

[@sheperddoggy]

I actually believe someone will do this challenge. In like 200 years when we achieve immortality and that kind of stuff someone will do this to get some serious clout!

[@setogod7]

oh that answers that question i had i thought while you lv up you would do more dmg killing faster and being able to sprint longer but i had no idea you could not level in that area never tried

[@InfectiousLP]

Feno, I can't find the comment that you replied to me just now, so I'm just gonna write a new comment. Yes, indeed, 18.29 / 0.33 is 55.42, but it's my fault as I wasn't explaining it right. This is not an accurate answer because when you do this, you leave 0.01 out because 0.33 + 0.33 + 0.33 = 0.99. This gives you a close answer in little numbers, although not an accurate one, and you can see this when reaching high results like the big difference between 54.87 and 55.42. What you should have done is this: 18.29 / 0.3333333333333333 to get a more accurate result. Or you know, just multiply by 3 which gives you the most accurate result. Just a nitpick, loved the video Feno! :)

[@kyle.s6646]

The definition of insanity

[@Codamans]

7:09 watching Dawn burn is unsettling but also hilarious

[@dontenglish4822]

instructions unclear have given up life for darksouls

[@prestonjennings9549]

Subscribed just because of the outburst.

[@kagerouprojess9851]

Now I'm wondering what the math would like for reaching max level in Nioh 2 in the first level, since the cost to level up in the later difficulties can cost literal billions.

[@redseagaming7832]

How long would it take you to reach max level if you were to play through the entire game at level 1 then start new game plus at level one?

[@FusionGamerElite]

Nobody will ever take the challenge? (Watches the internet cheat and nail it inside 3 years hehehe)

[@basiccounter7074]

The NG+6 one sounds like someone would do it (with upgraded weapons)

[@witalian1]

When you finish you playtrugh your repair box and upgrade box are removed so in the assylum you won't have them. but you could attune repair sorcery and keep your upgraded weapons repaired indefinitelly

[@NeonKnight-uc3kl]

This is the first thing I would do if I get some sort of immortality.

[@mikekenny1698]

Hmm, you mention you wouldnt go back to level up but would it be faster to go back and level up to the point you can one shot them with quick attacks? Over time that could save a monumental amount of time

[@nerztanne7390]

Epic

[@samuel57501]

Question. What if you used a mod that allowed you to lvl at the bonfire? As you lvl up, you do more damage, eventually getting to the point where a simple R1 swing would get the 1.5 dmg threshold, allowing for the exp bonus. What kind of time frame are we talking there?

[@benchguy69420]

45 seconds

[@puddel9079]

Now we *KNOW* one of the reasons the PvP scene uses a mutually agreed soul level.

[@afellowdegeneratejustasyou3317]

6:42 happens and I just begin to hysterically laugh while pressing the subscribe button

[@skynyrdjesus]

And here I thought he would cover the issue that his timer shouldn't end until he leaves the bonfire, so the run would never end up being sub 1 minute.

[@QuckHead]

If immortality is ever achieved, then grinding to max level in Dark Souls will probably be someone's pet project after living for 6000 years and not having anything better to do.

[@AttacMage]

I mean, with the soul duplication glitch you could just leave with the soul and use that once you spend your souls. It's effectively the same as selling the built up loot.

[@FlamingMediocrity]

About ng+ thing. Maybe people count ng+s starting by ng+2, so the number of playthroughs would match with ng number

[@pikld3847]

that ng+7 rant priceless

[@benclaypaper4524]

4:52 I believe he is referring to a different starting class

[@cephalonbob15]

Becoming Hollowed IRL speedrun:

[@ashtonki6769]

5:08 hi, way far from the future. I think this is in reference to your starting class. As in choosing one optimized for the longsword damage scaling. This means no more 713 but idk to me that’s still a max level character. (3 levels doesn’t change much at that point)

[@JokinAround]

did you take into account serpent's ring for the NG+ calcs?

[@foodfactory5998]

You can skip the animation of parry, so it's faster do the riposte

[@JokerChany]

Yeah the big question about ng+6 is what if you have the best gear with 99 in all stats and you're just trying to get all the souls that would be needed for max level and you have all rings to boost your soul gain and etc then how long would it take?

[@ArchangelExile]

FenoTheFox: Beware, this will be significantly longer than the first video. First video = 8:00 minutes This video = 10:52 minutes

[@thebanditoking]

I love the bit randomly shitting on your friend. Wholesome.

[@2007Shockwave]

On the ng+6 could start get repair as a spell. So possible without gear grabbing. But how often you would need to repair?

[@croc3862]

How long would it take to max level in the area around firelink

[@coatofarms4439]

I would love to see someone program an AI to do this and stream it for the 18+ years until end.

[@dementedgamer8123]

55 years later

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

I'm fairly certain this would break the mind of an Elder God

[@Fedico7000]

How you react to karma is hilarious and probably how everyone should react to any "number on a website". 😂 It's great.

[@picopker]

Once you leave the asylum to deposit the souls it changes and is no longer the starting area.

[@randallbraun844]

Kermit has some good points

[@masterthnag105]

Pre-video comment, you can actually cut the time by alot because you can stop when the sales of the items you have collected will make up for the difference in souls.

[@MrMarttivainaa]

Well the Cassini family spent several generations making one map of the kingdom of France, this is doable!

[@AGSFable]

What about doing the challenge at 2x speed?

[@chrysos3641]

I'll put a reminder for 60 years from now to check if someone really did it