F-14 vs. SU-57 Top Gun Maverick Comic Book | Thunderbird Fighter Pilot Reacts

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Hey There! Thanks for checking out this epic dogfight from Top Gun Maverick! Sorry that I only have a mustache in the thumbnail...I have a few in the que and then you'll see the mustache in person I promise 🤣 Please dominate the like button, sub and share!

[@AG1LA]

Congrats on the 50k. Awesome channel name change, Alavet!

[@TerraZetzz]

You gotta see Growling Sidewinder's recent DCS video of the F-22 vs. the Eurofighter Typhoon.

[@Battlestargroup]

Gotta check out @Growling Sidewinder, he did a few videos showing the split thrust in the F-14 and other jets to test how they perform in fights using that technique. Great channel, worth the look. Also: Launch Vipers!!

[@jetnoise007]

@@TerraZetzz I have seen it!! awesome flying by him.

[@heatblast876]

Hey sorry to say that the SU57 in this film/movie has totally fake specifications and information about this aircraft, the SU57 has already entered it service on 2020 which has now totally built 16 of them serial model and which is totally far more different from the prototype model which is an test aircraft and the first serial production model of SU57 has improved the Stealth capabilities, even that It also reduced the RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it, making it more clear surface and stealthily feature than the prototype model (test aircraft model). The stupid thing is that on the movie, The main bay on the SU57 carries only 4 missile which is actually an 4 Active Radar missile as known as K 77M and the fake thing is that the Active radar missile was destroyed or blown up by a flares (that scene was totally unreal) and second thing the side bay which was not shown on the movie is that the SU57 carries an 2 K 74M2 infrared missile which is actually an offbored missile similar or more like an AIM 9X able to give an 90* angle to launch the missile, even that the SU57 has a helmet mounted display able to lock on the moving target. The SU57 has 2 DIRCM aka Directional infrared countermeasures which was made to dodge or outtake an infrared missile (with or with out using flare). The target system of SU57 doesn't get disturb though the terrain but it can jam through the ECM jam, but if it has jam the target system the SU57 has EOTS (electronic optical targeting sensor/system) and manual override system so if it get distrub the SU57 target system will activate the manual override system which will come back the target system online but in a manual mode on it. The gun which was carried on SU57 is a GSH 30 1 with a total round 165 each 30 rounds to fire it, which is actually an 30mm with HE warhead such as (HEI, HEDP-T and HEI-T) The HE warhead of 30mm can blow a tank armor, but in the movie SU57 gun was firing more like M61A2 Vulcan and the GSH 30 1 doesn't fire like that, with just 2 projectile of 30mm HEI round can rip or destroy the wing of F14. The SU57 has an EW suite with AESA radar and L band radar that can jam the radar single as well as making it difficult to lock on target on the SU57 and L402 also it is an ECCM which can detect the aircraft at the back as well as can jam the counter offense to jam the enemy aircraft and the SU57 has RWR and MWR so the pilot will know that the aircraft is detected and the incoming missile which can give the single to the pilot that the missile is coming. So there is a lot of specifications are there on SU57, this one which I was written it was an half of it. In real world the SU57 would have been destroyed the F14 with just one circle as well as Rate fight. Yeah the movie was good but the fight scene was totally unreal.

[@RobertsonDCCD]

We need to pause and take a moment to appreciate that neither of these planes were available for filming and thus the whole fight was conjured up through smoke, mirrors, and magic. The level of visual effects wizardry is so good I just can’t tell that this isn’t the real thing. Hat’s off!

[@nexpro6118]

They took 2 F18 and CGI the 14 and 57 on em in post production. The KZbin channel from retired fighter pilot, Mover, interviewed the head supervisor of CGI on the top gun 2 movie. The dude explained all of the CGI/FX scenes. Yes, there's dozens of CGI/FX scenes lol

[@KG-yu7el]

@@nexpro6118 could you provide the link?

[@reboundrides8132]

So many people out there saying “no it was ReAL! Tom cruise flies every jet in the movie.

[@TheBlackHorseman]

@@reboundrides8132 he didnt fly ge was the passenger tho

[@5133937]

That is pretty amazing CGI, I didn’t even realize. I thought somehow Tom Cruise used his star power to convince the Russian govt to allow him to use real Felons in his movie.

[@robertg227]

I like that your approach to the breakdown was so positive. We all understand it’s a movie and prone to exaggeration but you kept it light and positive. Bravo sir.

[@GustavoA177]

Yeah, it's just the opposite of what "Mover" (C.W. Lemoine) does in his videos. Hate that.

[@robertg227]

@@GustavoA177 Yeah you hit that nail right on the head. Takes the fun out of watching the review.

[@Demane69]

@@GustavoA177 Critical reviews aren't always fun, but they are needed.

[@BlyGuy]

@@GustavoA177 I like both. Gonky seems like a fun dude and always like when him and Mover get together. I'd love to see Ryan, Mover, Gonky, Mooch Carroll (Tomcat RIO, just recently got a DCS simpit set up) go up against Growling Sidewinder, Long Shot and two other top notch sim pilots for some dogfights and other scenarios. DCS could really go to another level if they started doing cool events like that.

[@Sapfu100]

@@GustavoA177 I like Mover's approach too. But I'm glad very this vid also exists. Just to balance it. We ARE talking about bloody Top Gun after all :D

[@tbryanurip]

I can't believe I came across your channel. I attended Pacifica high school (class of 2019). During the week of the Great Pacific Airshow in Huntington Beach, CA, I was a part of the NJROTC there and we were told to meet during our class period in the stage classroom. When I walked in there was the team of the AF Thunderbirds. Then as we all sat down one man stood up and started talking about how he wanted to join the Thunderbirds and explained how a certain individual in his life said that he couldn't do it, yet his persistence and hard work kept him following his dreams. This man was you. I remember how happy you were talking to us and explaining more about the AF Thunderbirds. I also remembered asking you guys if you all have pranks on each other hahaha. I later went to the air show that week and watched the performance and saw you guys leave and takeoff at the Los Alamitos Joint Training Force Base in Cypress, CA. SO cool to have come across your channel and thank you for speaking with us that day.

[@JohnShalamskas]

I enjoyed that the first thought you had when thinking as the SU 57 pilot was: "How come those guys get cooler helmets than mine!" Yep that's a pilot for ya.

[@mattdawg83686]

I had the pleasure of seeing one of the F-14’s that was in the first Top Gun movie at the Tillamook Air Museum this past week. What impressed me about the aircraft was the sheer size of it, and not a lot of room in the front and back seats. To be able to maneuver a machine of that size is truly remarkable, and props to the pilots who were the experts in their skills and mastery of air combat in that jet.

[@razor75250]

IRL the tomcat was actually very easy to handle. During normal flight ops it didn't require a lot of control input. The slow speed manuvering is incrediable

[@razor75250]

The real mastery came when you kearn how to use the swing wing. That was the secret of the tomcats lethality

[@steve390gold]

When asked how the aircraft was to dogfight given its size, one top gun pilot said that ward carrol (callsign "Mooch") was interviewing, "She dances well for a big girl." The biggest problems for the aircraft was compressor stalls in the A versions engines. That was mostly eliminated in training, but stalls were sometimes deadly as they were prone to occur at low airspeed with high AOA; such as a carrier approach. When those occurred the recovery inputs needed also had to be revised for the aircraft. Mooch goes through all of it in depth as well.

[@razor75250]

@@steve390gold that's all true. I know mooch personally. He and his wife are awesome people!! Mooch and i had a few drinks at the Oceana O club back in the day. Hanging out with snort,hoser , pig, ziggy and a few other deviant malcontents..LMAO.(good times!!) The tomcat was a stick and rudder aircraft, you actually have to know how to fly!!! It didn't have any of the digjital flight controls that keep the plane safer. You had to actually learn its limits!! I am a regional and world satal dogfighting competitor and champion. I ise the cat about 90% of the time because I love the plane and was trained to fly IRL by a former blackbird pilot and my other instructor was a tomcat driver!!

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

Had to witness one of these (F-14) crashing into my neighborhood as a kid. The explosion was huge. Everyone lucked out that he crashed into a tree area instead of one of the houses. Barely missed the freeway. He flew right above my head as I was running on the track, part of the outside was on fire. Later found out the Jet was over fueled. Such an expensive mistake.

[@Aditi27]

I am so in love with this movie, it was worth all the wait of 34 years ! Its so good to watch such an elaborate analysis of the action sequence between 4th & 5th gen fighters. You are simply awesome at explaining the technical elements of flight with absolute ease & in an entertaining way. Congrats for reaching 50k & wish you many more, believe me you deserve it. Lots of love ❤

[@TonyGingrich]

When Mav's second F2 was dodged, that SU's maneuver instantly brought me back to my first time seeing an F22. It was at an air show at Meridian NAS, can't remember the year--maybe 04. My first time seeing thrust vectoring, and that pilot was demonstrating the most hair-raising maneuvers. By far, the most thrilling demonstration I've seen, even to date.

[@BBP081]

They only once ever brought the F-22 up here to Canada that I saw. I have just accepted it is the coolest airshow I will ever see.

[@themanwithallthewrongopini3551]

I always had a special place in my heart for props. You don’t know life until you have a Spitfire Rolls-Royce Merlin engine go over your head.

[@wrswrftp]

The missle would still proxfuse into him, he's dead.

[@KN-op3et]

Regarding the signals, I agree with you it might be Maverick is signaling I need to land, and the SU-57 pilot is replying "Follow me, heading 330."

[@Fealune]

I've seen a tiktok by a Navy pilot, he explained that Maverick signaled "comms are down"

[@kevincleary3870]

Dude. You are awesome! Thank you so much for your positive and upbeat reaction! I've seen many who harp on the obvious that this is a movie and would never happen like this or that, which is fine but then they get really negative. Thanks for sticking with the movie and having fun with it and adding your expertise to the story as presented. Easy subscribe for me. Keep up the awesome reactions!

[@triplemoyagames4195]

Funnily enough, Growling Sidewinder tried the splitting throttle technique in the F-14, and it did prove to be effective when used correctly

[@WanderfalkeAT]

In a Simulator or rather Flight Game :)

[@jennyarriola324]

@@WanderfalkeAT where did you think the scriptwriters got the idea about the Tomcat using the split throttle maneuver from?

[@LancelotChan]

Some DCS pilots like Growling Sidewinder and Longshot have tried the differential thrusts on many things and found that it works when applied in limited fashion, to increase the roll rate. When overdone, flat spin it becomes.

[@mikecrelevate]

“Need to do a victory aileron roll.” Spoken like an true USAF Thunderbird pilot! Love it!

[@davidisles4009]

Aileron pop up.

[@JIMBEAMM]

Big shout for not tearing the movie apart like I’ve seen elsewhere. Refreshing to see a pilot understand that the movie has to have a little Hollywood in it! Great explanations and it’s cool that the makers got things pretty realistic. I’ve watched it like 6 times now. One thing that caused a huge fuss you didn’t explain,unless I missed it. Does low flying really confuse the targeting system? Some guys say yes,some guys say no.

[@Adjudicator1]

Another KZbin channel had a British fighter pilot's take on the movie: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3vJgIpumq1ljJo And he did commented on how it is very much plausible that going low can confuse aircraft targeting systems. The scene and his reaction starts from 3:20 of the other video, where Maverick's missile is outmaneuvered by the enemy, and Maverick remarks has to dive for low altitude hoping that the enemy fighter's targeting will not work so well. He elaborates further in 4:13 where he says that the enemy pilot's HUD symbology shows the target lock jumping around the hot rocks, and that scenario being perfectly plausible.

[@fnglert]

Could the 3-3-0 be a heading? Makes kinda sense to tell someone to go to a certain heading after they didn't follow your 'follow me' signal. Also that move the Felon did to dodge Mav's fox 2 and end up behind him, that was just gorgeous. Felon is a beautiful plane imo and that scene it was not flying, it was just dancing in the air.

[@edwardsummey8843]

That move was an actual maneuver that an SU-57 did at an air show, once. There is a video of it side-by-side somewhere on KZbin

[@FukaiRei27]

@@edwardsummey8843 I think it was performed by Su-35S.

[@DirtNastyCivilian]

For sure su57 felon footage from Riat. It showed falling leaf and other “air dancing” maneuvers. The issue is they kill the energy of the jet. Loose energy you get slow, get slow you die.

[@fnglert]

@@edwardsummey8843 It's Kvochur's Bell, there are videos floating around f multiple planes doing it, including at least an Su 35 and an Su 27. The way it'f filmed in Maverick is just pure poetry imo.

[@mytech6779]

That cobra-leaf thing was the perfect time to go full afterburner and nose down with the f-14, as close to the terrain as supersonic will allow just to get some miles and closer to carrier support. I don't recall the f-14 low altitude top speed, mach2+ is at high altitudes.

[@baronmonkerson2195]

Your run downs on aircraft-based movies AND on ALL aircraft related stuff is second to none......pure 5th Gen critique! Keep it going mate! (from the UK).

[@indyracingnut]

I think what also passed thru Mavericks mind just before engagement was, "I don't wanna lose you like I lost Goose" That HAD to be on his mind.

[@edwardsummey8843]

I think that is why he was trying to set up a “best case scenario” ejection, so Rooster would be safer.

[@epineh]

I'm pretty sure what the SU 57 pilot was saying with his hand signals was : "Hey Victor, so glad you got the old crate flying again, how did you fix the ejection seat ? When we get back to base your having 3 vodkas, I'm having 3 vodkas, I'm so pumped. Peace comrade !"

[@guysmith9353]

I love this channel!!! As an Army 1SG, you fighter pilots are the rock stars of the military!

[@khalifstigler7493]

I so like the quote (Maverick) "A f-14 against 5th gen fighters" (Rooster)"it's not the plane it's the pilot"

[@gpcbr1000]

This is absolutely one of my favorite movies. Everything about it has been buzzing for weeks afterwards. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a movie at the theaters twice until this.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Agreeeeeeeeed!

[@gpcbr1000]

@@MaxAfterburnerusa One thing you mentioned, that was a little inaccurate that most people should know about. I can’t even remember if it was in this video, I watch so many of your videos today, Death Valley is the one national park fighter jets are allowed to go lower. Look up Star Wars fighter jet canyon runs on KZbin. But I’m sure you’ve heard of it if not done it yourself.

[@leeyan7899]

Hands down best reaction and breakdown. Keeping in mind it's a movie and kept it that way. See a lot of other review / reaction from fighter pilots and boy they sound so negative and harsh .

[@tim4cn759]

Man... I would literally do ANYTHING to get a chance to ride in any of those Jets.. Having raced cars before and being in the mix of a 22 car Feature race 🏁 is really wild.. but knowing me riding wouldn't be enough... I would want to pilot one 😫 😩 .. I absolutely love Jets and have gotten a chance to see the blue angels when I was younger and then 5 years ago I watched the THUNDERBIRDS practice for their show and it was literally the most AWESOME Thing ever... those pilots are so Talented... wow 👏 salute.. I salute all the men and women of our Airforce and Naval Aviators.. you are seriously all super bad ass.. and I thank ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.. 🇺🇸 THANK YOU 🙏

[@vcam83]

Cool Red Flag story! I'm former SF, my last duty station was Eielson AFB.

[@balintkovacs4089]

Small correction about Russia's fighter count. There are about 20 SU-57 jets completed, but only about 4 or so are kept in active duty with the older SU-37 engines, the others are waiting on the new ones designed specifically for the '57.

[@rsrt6910]

And NOW three of them have been shot down!

[@saladien9987]

@@rsrt6910 Is that really true? I read contradicting information about that.

[@rsrt6910]

@@saladien9987 Of course! You saw it all on video! Mav shot down two and Hangman got the third!

[@saladien9987]

@@rsrt6910 haha you got me there

[@technewsfortechnoobs]

Ha ha....your comment about "that's my dad's jet!" just reminded me of my AF ROTC days. My base commander was a former Eagle driver for like 20 years before he moved into the ROTC post he ended up leading, and he told us his son followed him into the Academy and Air Force, and when he was assigned a plane, he actually DID somehow get the exact plane his father flew! He was also the one who broke the news to me that because my vision was JUST outside 20/20 that I couldn't be an Eagle driver myself as I had dreamed of since I was a kid, but that I could actually be a RIO, and that in some planes they were more important than the actual pilot. Well, me only being 18 at the time was all "What the heck is a RIO, Sir?"....so he just looks at me and goes "Did you see Top Gun?" "Yes sir...." "Goose. Goose was the RIO." Me after a few seconds...."GOOSE DIED!!! I don't want to be Goose!!!" the entire room busted out in laughter at that, which at that point was about 1/3 of the entire cadet corp....I left the program that semester despite being the best cadet pilot in the entire pilot candidate group. lol

[@christopher-charleslord7392]

"Growling Sidewinder" Whom I believe is a viper pilot, has a great DCS on KZbin. He did few episodes on the Split throttle performance of the F-14. and was Impressed with how fast the nose came around....

[@tmcleanful]

29:24 - Max's reaction to Mav and Rooster being saved by Hangman is the same exact reaction that Hangman gives for "miracle number 2" and the officer who shakes his fist in congratulations to Mav at the end of the film.

[@andrewmorke]

Both Top Gun movies stretched reality but their pacing, character development, and storytelling was excellent. Both are thoroughly satisfying to watch. I enjoyed your analysis.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Agree and thank you!

[@belindaintexas8789]

Saw TGM for the 12th time. I rarely ever go to the movies but this one is such a blast. Love everything about it. Enjoy your analysis since you seem to know a thing or two about dog fighting. So glad that Cruise is keeping this in the theaters for so long.

[@boboboy8189]

It's a great movie but that dogfight is very one sided. SU-57 is 5th gen means it's very stealthy and should sneaks and missiles her enemies from faraway. Even in dogfight, SU-57 bullet sprays will cause F-14 to fall like happen to SU-57 in early scene. Another thing that illogical is 3rd SU-57 should detect when hangman locked on him.

[@belindaintexas8789]

@@boboboy8189 yes both the kills by Rooster and Hangman were unrealistic but dang it felt good!

[@markymarknj]

@@boboboy8189 not if he was target fixated on Mav and Rooster. It's a truism in fighter combat that it's the one you don't see that gets you.

[@Tuuvas]

6:43 my first thought in this scene was telling them to turn for heading 330. This combined with the helmet tap and thumbs down, which I thought meant their comms were down, requiring the 3-3-0 sign language for direction.

[@gold333]

I get a feeling Maverick knew exactly what it meant but pretended not to as landing would have meant their death

[@steve390gold]

Ward Carrol (F14 RIO)does an indepth breakdown on the dogfight and the split throttles. Growling sidewinder has perfected the split throttles in DCS on the F14 and had almost zero issues killing F15s in 1 turn fights. One vid he went 4 for 5 consistently turning inside of the f15s circle....

[@JazzJaRa]

Yeah but it's something different in a Simulator than in a real Aircraft. So i would trust Ward Carrol a bit more on that point.

[@steve390gold]

@@JazzJaRa well yes of course. When GS was using it he kept mentioning that it really helped the aircraft roll over onto the f15 especially in the vertical 1 turns. I never really followed what that meant until Ward demonstrated what the aircraft did with split throttles in DCS; makes her roll like no tomorrow. Ward was kinda showing that those inputs would not result in the move seen in the movies. But it does seem to be a fairly effective tool for making the 14 turn harder....kinda like using flaps in a 2 circle. They will jam in that position but she will rip around the 2 circle almost like as a viper. What I want to see is GS use split throttles on the F15 STOL-MTD and take on the Granelli thrust vectoring F22.

[@artnull13]

@@JazzJaRa except Ward Carrol used DCS to prove it wasn’t possible 😂 Yet GS managed it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@artnull13]

@@steve390gold The only reason why split throttles works in the F-14 is because of wide engine spacing 9ft c-c and the engines are canted slightly outwards which allows you asymmetric thrust. The F-15 has its twin engines side by side so can’t take advantage of this.

[@steve390gold]

@@artnull13 and whilst the F15s engines aren't that wide they are both still offset from centerline thusly introducing a useful torque.

[@joefrisbie485]

Hey man your vids are great I just subscribed. Thanks for the content and your service, you the man!

[@dl6519]

"Every time you Like and Subscribe, an F-14 somewhere destroys a Su-57." Dude, you KNOW your audience! I am EAGER to do my part in the destruction, somewhere, of a Su-57 by an F-14. And friend, you just handed me that opportunity. BOOZHHH! [that's the sound of me dominating that Like button... I''m long since Subscribed] Damn that felt good!

[@imuawarriors]

interesting point of Russian pilots not being able to fly defensively.... I loved the movie, as did my brother-in-law, who is a retired USMC aviator. He flew AE6B's and the OV10. Loved loved loved your reaction. You realize it was a movie above all, and give it some slack. You obviously have expertise in this field, so seeing you enjoy this movie is satisfying. thank you!

[@kipchickensout]

When they sat down in the F-14 and I thought like "did he even arm his ejection seat?" and a few minutes later just "ah. well shit"

[@robertburnam885]

Kinda what I was thinking. I wouldn't think "Rooster" would know to unlock the face curtain.

[@kipchickensout]

@@robertburnam885 I mean he could've asked but in that rush it's not surprising he didn't

[@sledgehammerk35]

Man I miss the F-14 Tomcat. The D models still had a lot left in the tank.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

It's just a classic!

[@mtf-alpha-1]

@@MaxAfterburnerusa I love how you do the video that your reacting to, almost comic book like, how come you decided to do that rather then what most reaction channels do? Not hating just curious

[@____Wolf]

@@mtf-alpha-1 Doing the still clips rather than the actual video is probably a lot easier to get through all the copyright red tape

[@KeshikS2C]

Just watched Growling Sidewinder's DCS match up of an F-14 vs an F-18. Phoenix vs AMRAM from distance. It was an eye opening scrimmage.

[@TheCHIEF092]

My Daughter is in the 335th Fighter Squadron and she loves the F-15E.

[@rsrt6910]

A third possibility with that hand signal, first he told Mav to "follow me" then told him the heading of "330".

[@jamesroe4968]

Got a personal meet n greet with Chris Patterakis back in 1976? in Freeland Mi. The Birds flew the Talons then. He'd had a nice night partying at the local estab the night before (Rodeitcher's ). I think he said something about taking it easy on his flight out to his next show. I was 16 or 17 then and thought it pretty cool to meet him like that. My dad set it up for me as he was the SFO chief for the FAA office at Tri-City Airport. Always enjoyed watching the Birds and the Blues fly, but the Birds have the best colors.

[@LneAlphaWlf]

Nice hearing it from a real fighter pilot. Thanks.

[@BlaiseTighe]

Thanks for reviewing what is probably my favorite scene in cinematic history. When I watched this in theaters with some friends, I was fighting back tears and the need to belt out some primal caveman scream!

[@BlaiseTighe]

I also like how Rooster was so overly cautious throughout the film until he was really in the shit. Then him and Mav kind of traded roles and he had to walk Mav through being overly cautious. It let Maverick know that the kid was ready and it let the kid know that Maverick was only looking out for him. Great duality of their roles. The acting in this film was just as powerful as the action.

[@edwardsummey8843]

Growling Sidewinder (who you have reacted to before) has done some DCS work with Differential Thrust (splitting the throttle) with the F-14 and F-15.

[@JohnShalamskas]

It is quite useful at low speed, when rudders don't have much air passing over them..

[@Vajperrr]

10:25 in the F-14 he’s not called a WSO, he’s a RIO (Radar Intercept Officer)

[@monroemullinix5974]

He's an Air Force guy. It's an Air Force term for exactly the same thing.

[@andrews2990]

@@_baller No, it’s Intercept.

[@goldenshark3182]

@@monroemullinix5974 It’s also a Navy term too, the backseaters in F-18’s are called WSO too. Air Force F-4 Phantom backseaters = WSO // Navy F-4 Phantom backseaters = RIO // Navy F-14 Tomcat backseaters = RIO // Air Force F-15 backseaters = WSO // NAVY F-18 HORNET BACKSEATERS = WSO

[@monroemullinix5974]

@@andrews2990 lol... he deleted it. I saw it, though.

[@monroemullinix5974]

@@goldenshark3182 good info; thank you.

[@utahraptorfast]

"knife fight in a phone booth" I like that expression, I might use that one on a regular basis.

[@darreldalton3903]

Years ago I was on my early teens . I went to the Dayton air show and this around the time when the f-117 started to appear they had one there and they also had two mig-29s . All the way from Russia . And they would do mock dog fights the f14 they had were jolly Rogers they had some f-16s and f-15s it was very interesting to see them flying around doing their maneuvers and such the mig could not get the F-16 off their ass they struggled to get the f-14 off of them . That same year they had the Thunderbirds doing their little aerial demonstration I got buzzed by an F-16 less than a hundred foot off a deck low enough that I can see the pilot wave to us as he flew by . Epic .

[@mattnodge7012]

Awesome break-down Max!! Saw the film for the first time last night, literally watched this final dogfight sequence twice…probably watch it once more tonight! The GOAT as far as movie dogfights, by a nautical mile! The action, the cinematography, even the acting and writing …all spectac!!

[@davidbrand1668]

That was a sensational breakdown of Top Gun Maverick. Subbed.

[@seanbarraclough2484]

20:00 onwards, yeah it really does. Never flown it, but the wing sweep really does dramatically alter vector and velocity, "It was just there, where's he gone?" moment. Crank, pull, push. They're a bit naughty.

[@zsa208]

Man, love your commentary. Very entertaining and informative

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

That means a lot! Thanks for being here!

[@Irfan87]

Yo that transition at the start with the anime explosion effects was sick.

[@digitalchaos10]

I like your comment about never giving up, it reminds of of something the Red Baron said; “Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart.”

[@tobereed]

Looking cool is the most important thing. 😎 This is the most entertaining breakdown of this movie, by pilots. You just get it.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

I will concede that CGI is a great thing for a movie when done judiciously

[@perpetualjon]

Fascinating video! Great to learn about the communication and jargon used here and the meaning behind it. Also great to get yet more confirmation from real-world people about the realism of this movie and the care that was taken to make it as authentic yet still a compelling movie to watch. Thanks for sharing this with the world!

[@seanbarraclough2484]

"What's most important? Looking cool" Typical flying crab. Loved you guys.

[@SKRUBL0RD]

i'm glad you gave me permission to enter any fighter jet and make it an extension of my body, always wanted to fly one.

[@peep39]

Very enjoyable video, and now I don't feel silly because of how pumped I got watching the film 🙂

[@jaegergames7042]

That F-22 Pilot didn't just want to ruin your day with an AMRAAM at 120km. He is a true Chad. Someone get that man a beer.

[@bIakeee]

eh navy doesn't have f22

[@ferryfernandus1423]

@@bIakeee r/wooosh

[@bIakeee]

@@ferryfernandus1423 nvm i thought he was talking about the movie i get it now

[@Megalodon64]

Splitting the throttles in an F-14A would be a terrible idea since the intense yaw angle would cause a compressor stall in the engine that is outside the turn. Since the F-14A carried the dreaded TF30 engines, they were prone to compressor stalls during high angles of attack and high sideslips and since the Tomcat is already in a high angle of attack with asymmetric thrust, it is already prone to flat spinning.

[@johnweir2056]

My dad worked at NAS Fallon Nevada on the adversary side at top gun and a raptor had radar lock on 8 f/a18 before they even know what happened

[@pogo1140]

In DCS and IRL splitting the throttle, full burner in one and idle in the other is risky as it can cause a compressor stall in one or both engines which has been the cause of more F-14 crashes than the Navy would have liked.

[@corwintipper7317]

No, it’s full burn and mil power.

[@pogo1140]

@@corwintipper7317 Dropping one engine to mil while the other is in zone 5 does not produce enough differential thrust to generate the yaw and roll needed for the maneuver shown.

[@nexpro6118]

I'm sure this is knowledge fron your fighter experience in real life lol. Watch the interviews from F-14A pilot, Snot. You'll learn your way wrong

[@WanderfalkeAT]

@@nexpro6118 IF you did that in a Tomcat for real, you would have had a Engine Problem so you had to do this or you have flown a Tomcat for the last time! The NAVY is pretty strict on playing around with their Equipement! And no you could not hide that, the Flight Recorder would be the Witness! Bye bye NAVY Career, you can fly Desks from now on.

[@ericmitchell5350]

@@WanderfalkeAT no mission recorder in the F-14A-just a round Mechanical g-meter in the cockpit that showed MAX/MIN G-with a reset button to erase. Some A’s added recording accelerometers in the wheel wells, but not many. F-14Bs had mission accelerometers as part of the F-110 engine fatigue monitoring (FEMS) data that was downloadable. F-14Ds had true mission recorders-but crews could pop the MC circuit breaker in the rear cockpit if they wanted to try something clever

[@BinaryBlitz]

If that jet was any closer them and Mav would be exchanging insurance information

[@daleowen2606]

6 hours after releasing this video and announcing 50k subs, I'm seeing 56k subs! Congrats dude!

[@johnbranch8277]

Tomcat had a 50 round burst limit on each trigger pull. With about 675 rounds, we had 13 or so shots, depending on actual burst number. Once in our dome ACM sim I put 40 out of 50 into a opponent in a head on pass. Hard to do, but possible. Mav was way too far away to try to gun the guy in the head on pass in the final engagement. Split throttles and rudder overs was not something anyone did much in the A models with the Pratts. Too prone to stall. Not so much a problem with the latter GE motors in the A+ and D's. The fingering of 3,3, 0 was a heading, given after following his hand pointing forward.

[@johnbranch8277]

The 330 heading would have been a realistic heading to return to Isfahan or less likely Mehrabad (Tehran) on an egress to the carrier in the Arabian Sea/Gulf of Oman. Those airfields are where the Tomcats are based. Neither of these bases are within walking distance of mountains like those they ingressed through and housed the target.

[@solarflare623]

If this were taking place irl maverick could have just gunned the SU-57 down while he was doing that cobra. Then again in movies cobras are so utterly amazing that it leaves people petrified in awe for a few seconds.

[@epicgamermann298]

16:05 the maneuver being described here is called the "kvockur's bell" used by russian fighter pilots

[@woooster17]

Check out Ward Carroll’s (Mooch) video on the dog fight breakdown, particularly the split throttle, hard left rudder/left stick etc.. He simulated this manoeuvre to show that the aeroplane wouldn’t react like that.. It just causes the aircraft to roll in the vertical, or potentially induce a flat spin..

[@JazzJaRa]

Well Growling Sidewinder also did that Dogfight F-14 vs SU-57 and well.....i think he got murdered 8 times by the SU-57. The F-14 is just no match for such an agile Fighter Jet, the stunts it ccan do on Air shows are impressive.

[@jennyarriola324]

F14 pilots have been put on record as having actually done this maneuver, though.

[@gold333]

In Wards video you can see he forgot to kick the rudder

[@jennyarriola324]

@@JazzJaRa the amazing stunts the Felon can do in airshows will most likely get it killed in actual dogfights.

[@JazzJaRa]

@@jennyarriola324 that depends on the situation. Most of the time it will participate in BVR anyway, after all it's a stealth aircraft. But in the movie were so many options for the Felon to shoot down the Tomcat. For example the bullets of the Tomcat just wrecked the Felon but the hits the Tomcat got from the Felon basically were just as if it was 7,62mm even though it uses a 30mm which can use HE ammo.

[@kaaitj]

Regarding the ejection seat(s). As far as I know the F-14, it looks like that Rooster (and may be Maverick too) forgot to arm his/their seat(s) with the switch on top of the headrest. That's why the ejection sequence didn't work when Rooster tried to pull the handles.

[@josepho7083]

Man I just love your enthusiasm! Keep up the AWESOME videos!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Joseph, thanks a ton!! Glad you’re here 👍👍

[@Lupin788]

It's never mentioned explicitly in the film, but I think we're supposed to assume the enemies are Iranians ("unsanctioned uranium enrichment plant"). Iran is also the only country still operating F-14 Tomcats, plus they would likely have access to purchasing new fighters from Russia like the SU-57.

[@boboboy8189]

But the landscape is obviously eastern Europe. Even the bridge they past through is European style.

[@rsrt6910]

@@boboboy8189 What's Iran doing in Europe?

[@Lupin788]

@@boboboy8189 So which eastern European country do you think is secretly enriching uranium in an underground base and might plausibly have both SU-57 and F-14 fighter jets in service?

[@blademanx]

The "enemy" are a combination of Iran and Russia

[@clivewilliams9460]

The only thing I can think of is, the car chasing scenes in the movie , Bullet (Steve McQueen). This Dog fight had my pulse pumping .

[@bodazaphfa]

F-14 A/D guy here. The Airmen out of Nellis and Red Flag were some top notch people to work with. Sorry about that over stress.🤣 Edit: The F-14 startup sequence was very accurate with regard to ground locks, power, and huffer. Rooster pulled the pins on the gears and the AIM9s but he didn’t pull the pins on the seats, hence why he couldn’t eject. The F-14A had 2-canopy pins and I think around 7 per seat. It’s been a while. The D Tomcat had a lot less seat pins. Great review brother!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Great comment! Thanks brother, glad to have you here 👍👍

[@bodazaphfa]

@@MaxAfterburnerusa 🫡

[@speedcreep2605]

Hey, I'm new to the channel. Love the vibe you put out here (high energy, positive and light hearted). Keep doing what you do.

[@danh8804]

Only thing I can say for "it's not the plane it's the pilot" is that Maverick is the only one up there right then who *already knows* he's in a fight. And probably has more experience as a fighter pilot than the others. That said, there's a reason the script has to concoct some lucky contrivances and movie magic to even make this feel remotely plausible.

[@SawdEndymon]

I wouldn’t say possible. But seems just realistic enough

[@johncamp7679]

This video was 3 hours ago and now you’re at 56.3 k subs. Pretty good!!

[@tim4cn759]

Thank you Max "AFTERBURNER" your content is second to none!!

[@nudaveritas8195]

Going up against an SU-57 with an F14 Tomcat is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Maybe, just maybe it would have a chance if you put an Iranian pilot in it. The Iranians have been using the F14 Tomcat longer than anyone else. Their pilots trained at the Top Gun Academy in the 1970s. Those pilots have trained the new generation so if anyone would have a chance, it would be an iranian F14 pilot.

[@kennethduval6769]

Thank you so much for these great videos Ryan!!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

You. Bet. Thanks for being on the team 🔥🔥

[@yan24to]

Love experts wading in and putting everyone right 👍🏼

[@lmelior]

"Discretion is the better part of valor" is a rearranged line from a Shakespeare play, but personally I first encountered it in a video game :)

[@EricAero]

Growling Sidewinders as tested split throttle in DCS with various planes (F14, F15, SU27 etc...) it was quite effective !

[@sturmfalkeg8306]

Ward Carroll, a former RIO in the F-14 Tomcat, made a very good video on the subject. However, he makes it clear that the danger for a real F14 to flatspin would be extremely high and it would have almost no other effect, except that it would make a strong rolling movement. In addition, if the thrust decreases too much on one of the engines, it would lead to a compressor stall.

[@EricAero]

@@sturmfalkeg8306 Exactly Wath happened to Maverick in the First movie... Ice was in the way, the jet stream stall the Mav's Compressor end the rest is history.

[@Knightfang1]

in an F-14A with the TF-30 engines splitting the throttles would have been very dangerous. the TF-30s were very prone to compressor stalls when experiencing excessive yaw and sudden throttle movements. the problem was solved when they upgraded to the F110-GE-400 engines with the B model but the engine nozzles on this jet are definitely the TF-30s

[@Chibbs.E]

Awww. You missed my favorite part. “Please don’t tell me we just lost an engine”. “Okay. We didn’t lose an engine”. 😂

[@joevaccaro6655]

Congratulations on 50k subs! Top Gun Maverick was so good, it took me along for the ride. Thanks for another great 👍 video.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Thanks!!!

[@KillerSniper55]

The biggest issue I had with the movie is the gun. Would have much preferred the real sound of the Vulcan. Can you imagine how much better that would have sounded? Plus the ammo amount is clearly wrong as well as the fire rate. All things considered it’s not bad.

[@boboboy8189]

But F-14 got plot armor. He got shoots but still capable to fly and why SU-57 not using another missiles?, third SU-57 not detecting hangman's missiles is bullshit. They already did correct technically but failed at dogfight. It should be hangman came to rescue maverick with second SU-57 chased him

[@ron1179]

Would love to hear more stories from your Red Flag Alaska exercises!

[@martinpalmer6203]

Longshot does a Split throttle SU-27 , the way it moves is insane when done right. Worth watching the video.

[@lexdeobesean]

Awesome video my man.

[@TheTransporter007]

That Sukhoi is gorgeous.

[@XxAverageJoexX]

The editing in this video was outstanding, sir.

[@DoomRulz]

Thank you for explaining the hand signals! I was really curious. Also, subbed :)

[@brianmendez6893]

You mentioned Red Flag. I was fortunate enough as a weapons troop to go to Red Flag and Green flag numerous time at Nellis and twice to Cope Thunder at Eilsen which by far was the best!

[@jerrylancaster4386]

I guessed 330 was a heading. Solid breakdown. Fun stuff.

[@BlyGuy]

Growling Sidewinder (and his buddy Long Shot) has a bunch of split throttle vids up on his channel with the Tomcat and some Flankers. He uses it extremely well, but gotta be very careful with it or you'll end up in a flat spin fast. Def don't want to do it without plenty of altitude.

[@hughjass3327]

Im pretty sure that by splitting the thrott all he did was take the engine out of afterburner otherwise he would go into horrible flatspin.

[@WhiteTahoe07]

16:08 the move the su-57 pilot did is called the kvochur bell

[@glocktown21]

Max, love your podcast!!!!!! I am so pumped going to Miramar Airshow tomorrow!!! Cant wait to see BLUE ANGELES and other Fighters ROARRRRRR by... F-22 is my favorite!

[@Jazzynupe1911]

Awesome and fun analysis. Keep up the great work

[@ChadKanotz]

I've seen a popular DCS youtuber perform dogfights in the F-14 with and without splitting the throttle, and apparently as long as you understand the characteristics of the aircraft (and keep it out of a flat spin), it's pretty effective for short periods. They've even tried it with other airframes with success. Fun fact (? grain of salt here): there are only 5 combat operational Su-57 airframes in existence.