Maximus: The Knight Who's Too Good for the Brotherhood

[@Blynat]

I never thought Maximus put the razors in the boot. He was jealous but never came off as petty or evil to me. Just wanting a chance to shine. A chance to show himself as useful for more than cleaning, rebuilding and digging shitter holes.

[@phoy3619]

Idk if it was the writing or the acting but after the scene 'How did your knight die?' 'He died running' I thought he was a psycho, so much so almost didn't believe believe the other squire when they said self sabotage.....

[@LexYeen]

I agree with OP - the razor in the boot felt to me like someone was trying to frame Maximus, since he was clearly shown to be the target of physical bullying. Of course it could lead to psychological bullying too, and there _had_ to have been other aspirants looking to become squires.

[@atleastimtrying5391]

Who sleeps through having razor blades in their boots? Dumbest writing in history.

[@allenaju1856]

⁠@@atleastimtrying5391they didn’t sleep with the boots on you just way over thought it. The boots stay next to the bed during sunrise you get up and out no lallygagging boots get put on quick it happens in real military where people put on their boots and a animal or bug has made it a home for the night or someone pulling a prank.

[@micmen1496]

Yeah, I understand him jealous. But if he was gonna sabotage someone, it made no sense to me doing it to his only friend. Especially if he didn't know he would be promoted. (Edit: missing words)

[@TheSynthPunk]

Maximus: _"Without the fusion core this armor is useless!"_ NCR heavy troopers that just lug an entire set of T-45 around as a metal suit with the servos disabled: _"Uhhhhhh huh."_

[@googleisevil8958]

To be fair, it probably takes hours for the NCR to hollow out the frame and Maximus probably didn't have the tools he needed to gut the armor. That and as someone in the NCR said "It feels like you have a barhmin on your back but it'll protect you." To be fair... I wouldn't want to gut the T-60 the same way the NCR gutted the T-45. LEAVE MY ARMOR ALONE, BEAR!

[@TheSynthPunk]

@@googleisevil8958 that's fair, considering the reverence with which BoS is treating technology, an average Brotherhood Knight wouldn't even try to disable and take out the servos unless the circumstances are extreme.

[@iwatchyoutubealot]

the modern portrayal of power armor requires a soft retcon of ncr heavy troopers imo instead of it being the wholesale suit without power, it should probably just be the plates that go on the frame on top of a uniform/under-armor, which seems plenty feasible considering the heaviest set of combat armor in fo4, along with the marine armor, nearly already look like power armor off of the frame.

[@sebastianstefanski3380]

I mean they had to give all those back lmao

[@TheSynthPunk]

@@sebastianstefanski3380 Did they? I thought you could pass a speech check if you're chummy with the Brotherhood so they allow you to keep them

[@Franko384]

I think his Luck is higher than 6. He gets lucky all the time. -miracilously survives a nuke in a fridge and immediatly gets found by the brotherhood -gets found again by lucy just in time to safe him from getting eaten alive while hes stuck in his armor. -gets attacked by the exact same monster that ate Dr. Wilzigs head. -Maximus and Lucy randomly find a Vault that actually has friendly inhabitants. -Brotherhood of steel warriors enter the balcony right after Moldavor died and lucy and her dad left. So he looks like a hero to them.

[@romerogamezjorgeluis4218]

And at the same time were all the electricity of the city comes back

[@Calbeck]

Nope. Bethesda released all the stats for all the characters. None have any stats lower than four, and none any higher than 7. None have Luck 7. The "massively unbalanced SPECIAL stats" theory is just bunkum.

[@Franko384]

@@Calbeck You're talking about the stats from Falloug shelter? These don't fit the show characters at all. So it's fun to think about what stats they would actually have.

[@arthurg.calixto3338]

Not to say his VATS is really good

[@marfin4325]

@@Calbeck I'm suppose to believe the same guys who wrote the shitty Fallout show, that no, the characters are in fact not overpowered? Ok dude.

[@1soupasaurus]

I think Titus saw squires as expendable slaves that would never have enough courage to stand up to any Knight. So even while dying, he didn't care if he offended him. But of course, this was his fatal flaw.

[@sojourner.]

This is strange because the Brotherhood rarely recruits outsiders so Squires are the only continuation of the skill pool and from where all Knights come from.

[@Thekidisalright]

Basically Michael Rappaport being himself lol

[@marfin4325]

Yeah, it's extremely idiotic writing.

[@AshleyHankey]

​​@@marfin4325By this time Elder Maxson took the outcasts back and you see that he recruits outsiders for scribes but not sure if the paladins are outsiders or not. By this time the Courier did something to the west chapter Wich influenced their taking in of outsiders. Both would have shaped a new brotherhood because the Enclave and Brotherhood were very similar despite their fighting. It took Lions recruiting others and the fact that other vault dwellers joined before as well as the Courier made it shaped into what it is today. The changes means the old ones will still have down right pure blood kind of views while the others that are newer wouldn't think such ways. Considering how week and cowardly he was I wouldn't be surprised if he was of the old blood.

[@wolffang489]

@@marfin4325 Ladder-pulling behavior happens. Even if someone *should* sympathize with where they came from sometimes they just can't get off their horse about where they are now.

[@BenjamenMcCauley]

The oath that Maximus took was first to the brotherhood, then the mission, then his knight. When Max says that he will be forgiven for letting his knight die if he finishes the mission he is technically following the oath he took.

[@marfin4325]

No, he did betray the brotherhood. Titus was trying to accomplish the mission and it's 100% a squire's duty to give aid to his knight. Maximus doesn't have the right to determine if Titus is really doing his job or not.

[@ulysses58599]

@@marfin4325but he wasn’t doing his job. Their mission was to go to philly, Titus decided not too, going against orders.

[@marfin4325]

@@ulysses58599 It doesn't matter if Titus isn't doing his job. They'll go back, make a report and Titus will be judged by his superiors. Max has no right to judge if Titus is doing his job or not. The idiotic writing in this show even have them land exactly on the trail of the people they are looking for.

[@Vicus_of_Utrecht]

​@@marfin4325You have a hardon of hate against the show, it's pathetic.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@marfin4325Can you explain your logic a bit better, if the knight was going against orders, Maximus’ knight was in the wrong, and the mission comes first. How then is Maximus’s actions betrayal?

[@therebelfrogy9287]

If Maximus met Danse instead, he would become the greatest knight among the BoS and a leader with a clear vision

[@Lil.Lon3Ly]

Danse was a Paladin right? Its been forever since F4

[@BrutishManboy]

Danse was a good person :(

[@terrelldurocher3330]

​@BrutishManboy he is and was a machine.

[@XKathXgames]

​@@terrelldurocher3330 Aren't synths artificial humans though? Not machines but artificial in the fact they are assembled but are still made of flesh and bone and indistinguishable from humans?

[@dino-bk7vh]

Well regardless about Danse being a synth I agree Maximus would have been a PERFECT squire for him and danse excluding all the synth stuff would no doubt be a gold standard role model for Maximus

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

Funny that Wilzig says this to Lucy in episode 2 "The question is, Will want the same things, when you become a different animal all together" when it's almost exactly what happens to Maxiumus

[@IamHomelander]

I mean it rings true for Lucy as well. She stated “if my dad knew I wiped out an entire community to get him back, it would break his heart”. Finds out that her Dad did that same thing. She first left the vault to find him, and one of the final scenes is her holding a gun to her father’s face. She wants something different now (in Season 2).

[@trentdevlaminck9927]

Like many other lines in the show this is also a direct message to the players watching the show

[@geofff.3343]

That's the point behind Fallout 1. You're not the same sheltered Vault Dweller you were at the start. You've probably had to do things to survive, things that you're not morally okay with. You've had to kill things, and make choices, and it's changed you. I know it's a meme to kill him, but there's no point in fighting the Overseer on it, because he's right. What he says will come to pass will happen anyway. Even if you could have stayed, some starry-eyed kid would have left to have his own adventure.

[@faceless_man566]

war never changes, men do through the roads that they walk

[@EmperorAmbrose]

“Too good for the brotherhood” Repeatedly gets promoted for constantly failing basic tasks

[@janetd5121]

I think deep down Max wants to be noble and good and save people like he envisioned they saved him as a child, but he came to see the brotherhood is neither noble or good and they operate on fear and a lust for power and control. He acts as he does due to how they treated him and his fear of them, making him do morally questionable things in self preservation. Season 2 will be interesting to see where they will take him, will he completely rebel against the brotherhood or will he enjoy his newfound position of power and fall in line with the brotherhood? I think Moldaver's words to him at the end will mean something to him in season 2.

[@potatofarmergyro1720]

Honestly I think there's a chance that Maximus might actually create his own faction of the brotherhood which could even join forces with the NCR becoming the first page of the brotherhood to work alongside the NCR.

[@fumarc4501]

Maximus, it’s time for a change. Brotherhood Outcaste: it’s about time!

[@braydoxastora5584]

If the writers dont improve. Then it will be maximus being a dick and evil/selfish but the story will place him on an unearned place of happiness

[@googleisevil8958]

@@potatofarmergyro1720 Couldn't you have a truce happen in Fallout NV with the Mojave Chapter and the NCR? The NCR ending for that actually has the Brotherhood patrolling the trade routes in the NCR's stead in exchanged for all the salvaged Power Armor they had. I like to think this is canon but was rejected one the NCR grew too weak and the Brotherhood went all Fallout 4 on them.

[@droidmaker7932]

@@googleisevil8958and that’s only if you make it happen. But I do see them pulling back on the treaty when the NCR was in shambles and in chaos.

[@aerosyinc]

Titus shouting fuck as he runs away is the best part of the series for me

[@dylanmujica3799]

It was the toaster oven line for me.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Been there when my first encounter with Deathclaw. Second with Assaultron.

[@aerosyinc]

@@chengkuoklee5734 I think that’s the line anyone has when seeing a new enemy

[@A5H_01]

I was the exact same during my play through except it was a radscorpion instead of a deathclaw 😂

[@danielserrano444]

Hands down!

[@D1rtySanchezZ1]

to be honest Maximus being immature is a good thing, it is more authentic to the character. a youngman in their early 20s who lost their parents as a kid and was raised by the brotherhood, probably in some kind brotherhood operated orphanage perhaps that would of more or less isolated him from the outside world.

[@julianalanfrey8965]

So true! I love that he’s so weird and stilted, because in no reality could someone grow up in such a restrictive harsh environment and be totally functional. Honestly, his psychology is the most interesting out of the three main characters, at least in my opinion

[@woahitsbrooke92]

EXACTLY! So much of his characterization and responses to things is because of the trauma he's lived through!!! He's very much a little boy playing pretend when faced with certain real world situations.

[@criticalevent]

No one would ever shed a tear for Rappaport.

[@christaylor9095]

True story.

[@willbaggiins9441]

LMAO facts

[@killmongermyhero1169]

Big Facts

[@dylanmujica3799]

That caught me so off guard and his line about the toaster oven killed me!

[@mnpatriot7692]

TRUTH!

[@b.h.7430]

When Knight Titus removed his mask after being gravely injured by the massive Yao Guai, I blurted out "Michael Rappaport?!"

[@LunchsackTheWise]

Perry the Platypus?!

[@MS-pd7fc]

I almost stopped watching the series right there

[@mysticdragonwolf89]

@@MS-pd7fcwhy?

[@johnanita9251]

I dont get it explain more please...

[@jeninlight]

@@MS-pd7fcugh, grow up…

[@Cmoth040]

I'm glad you brought up the Titus scene. However, I think the justification for Maximus' decision is in the oath he swears, which is in order of importance; the Brotherhood, the Mission, then supporting his Knight. Titus didn't give Maximus the luxury of reporting Titus' betrayal of the mission, it was clear Titus would lie. Maximus may have skipped the chain of command a bit, but he was correct. His motives may have been subconsciously self-serving, but he was right.

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

Come on, the scene played like that because the writers didn't bother researching the lore of previous games and made shit up. This, is not the BoS.

[@allenaju1856]

⁠@@RafaelSantos-pi8py what is the brotherhood 1,2,Tactics,NV? Or Lyons or Maxsons brotherhood? Each brotherhood has been portrayed differently 1-2 they were practically a cult with power armor as we can see they still have that cult like behavior in the west still. Tactics treated their recruits probably the worst. Lyons held the people above all else Arthur combined both teachings probably what his ancestor planned all along, and NV are a shadow of their former self.

[@Cmoth040]

@@RafaelSantos-pi8py You would think that someone like Titus would have been discovered some other way. The BoS in the other games, not including Lyon's group in FO3, weren't far off of the show. The Outcasts in FO3 were actually following Brotherhood directives, they're tech-zealots who don't care about anybody outside of the organization. The show's version had some cracks in it, and I think those cracks are coming from the Elder that is trying to leverage Maximus. The pilot of the Vertibird should have reported the mission interruption, but didn't. So, plot contrivances are definitely an issue.

[@phantomknight7211]

@@Cmoth040 Well the brotherhood in the games mostly treats the outsiders like shit but between themselfs they seem a lot more forgiving, its clear that the series brotherhood or at least this particular chapter employes diferent methods and Elder Cleric Quintus has influenced the chapter, he has clearly diferent views for the brotherhood as the talks about taking power and rebuilding the brotherhood which is not something a brotherhood elder would say. You dont need a "sword" to collect tech better. The brotherhood never had the luxury to hang squires by their lungs so if it isn't intimidation this shows a very extreme and hardcore version of the brotherhood.

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

@@allenaju1856 Its true that the BoS changes like the wind in every game , but some things remain, and one of them is that they're professional soldiers, not emotional amateurs with big guns. The way this show's BoS acts is very unprofessional and inconsistent with a 200 year old well trained and experienced organization. A knight in PA with decades of experience and training running away from a Yao Guay and then blaming it on a subordinate? Ridiculous.

[@danielserrano444]

I feel that Maximus is every FO3 BOS fan siding with the BOS in FO4 for the first time. Remembering them as an army of power armored soliders with energy weapons that actually want to help the wasteland, only to realize that their motives aren't so noble anymore. Especially for those who hadn't played FO1 and 2 yet

[@rossnorris2351]

So much yes. This was my heartbreak when I met Maxon, a character I kinda loved in 3 being the young ambitious squire. Then I saw what the Brotherhood had become and was annoyed. I can see some of their points, I think they just take it to the extreme. Combine the militant nature and massive numbers of the BOS with the purpose of the Railroad and the Minutemen and you've got my take on a good wasteland.

[@kristinagraversgaard5328]

@@rossnorris2351 honestly, the perfect faction for a good wasteland: Enclave, with the ideals of the Minutemen.

[@SorceressWitch]

​@@rossnorris2351They were never meant to be heroes. Maxson was the one who brought them back to strength and united outcasts back into the BOS. Fallout is not about being good. BOS were always morally grey. Plus BOS in Fallout 3 were not entirely perfect people as they still are rude to outsiders. They also take shots at ghouls as ghouls in Underworld mention. After the purifier is up, they send water to the people but exclude ghouls. People act like Maxson came in and made them hate ghouls, super mutants and other abominations when they were already like that before he took over. They hated super mutants because their own members were being killed by them. While synths are seen as an abuse of technology, so they go out to stop that. The thing that people have a problem with is when gen 3 synths come into question. Gen 3's resemble humans and can feel and touch like humans. However the BOS still sees them as abominations that were created by an abuse of technology. Maxson didn't change them. He kep the openness of the BOS by allowing new members, he kept the same ranks as well as adding new ones. He brought back technology gathering which please outcasts and got them back into the fold, it also pleased the west coast who were unhappy with Lyons. People also forgot that Fallout is about how war never changes. BOS can't avoid war. Their entire faction is focused on the type of technology that involves war. BOS believe what they're doing is good and will save humanity as why you see them out in force taking on enemies in the wasteland. They're not meant to be some wasteland jesus group who help people for nothing. Even under Lyons they weren't allowing people in thecl citadel and only were going out to fight mutants which is how they saw helping people. They didn't protect local settlements in the capital wasteland. Big Town is an example where the lone wanderer can teach them how to protect themselves because those people were all alone. Slavers exist in the capital wasteland and BoS did nothing about them. So much for Owyn Lyons being a saint. I already mentioned how his people discriminate against ghouls. So even the good guy BOS in Fallout 3 were not that good as they're made to be. I remember on my first playthrough I tried to join but they refused to let me in and were rude. They called me outsider and wanted nothing to do with me. After taking out the behemoth they still said they didn't need me. Only getting further in the story was I allowed in the citedal and I saw no civilians there because they don't allow them in. So much for protecting the people. When Lyons says protecting the people, he just meant by killing the super mutants who were overrunning the land. You have to tell him where they're coming from in the game. NCR are also not good guys and have their flaws. This is what Fallout was showing. There are some fans who think the US were good guys in the great war, this is a poor understanding of the lore. The great war was showing that none of the factions were good. I think some people started Fallout from Fallout 3 which had good Vs evil, so they believed that Fallout is about that. The DJ Three Dog is judging the player for their actions and will insult them if they do bad things while praising them if they are good. However that's not how the first game was like.

[@JMGaming1288]

​@@SorceressWitchLove it

[@rachelmartin8130]

In fallout 1, 2 , 3 and New Vegas I was on the brotherhood side. I just couldn't do that in fallout 4

[@hauntedhouse7827]

That type of assault in any military unit I served in would have been severely punished. It destroys unit cohesion, and creates cowards who can only fight in large groups and run when they have to stand on their own.

[@SwearMY]

Should be, frequently isn't.

[@quantum340]

Apparently, this happens a lot in the Russian military. And every hierarchical organization is at risk of devolving into this if its members become more interested in lording over those in lower positions instead of forging unity to accomplish a common goal.

[@manofwarb]

@@quantum340 or if the unit becomes a dumping ground for $#!+birds like the now disbanded Canadian Airborne Regiment was.

[@DrewLSsix]

You should check out other military units then, this type of thing is jot uncommon in tue Russian army.

[@detrik01]

What a load of crap. The US military is dogsh--

[@audreyjk2404]

Maximus is by far my favorite character of the three main. His development and motives to find belonging is so realistic to me. He’s not a born badass , he doesn’t have a family, he’s just trying to survive the wasteland any way possible

[@Duderonamus]

35:45 idk, i think lucy is our high agility character. The way she bolted from the ghoul when she had a chance, freed her foot to deflect the mr handy blade, and held her own against 2 or 3 people in unarmed combat in level 12 of vault 4... Id sayshe has an AGI of 10 while maximus only has about 6, maybe 7

[@Bugthaw]

Also makes sense considering she was literally BRED to be as close as you can get to being a perfect worker/leader. She’s got an insane amount of drive and motivation, as showcased by her initial introduction with all of her hobbies and skills.

[@vladimirrashkovsky6274]

Oxhorn is being paid to positively review the show just like many others. It’s got god awful dialogue, completely disregards the lore, and worst of all it’s a parody of fallout it’s NOT canon to the games but they still decide to make it as if stimpacks can regenerate limbs, VATS, NPCs remaining in one spot forever and having bad dialogue. It’s an insult

[@Duderonamus]

@vladimirrashkovsky6274 your 1st sentence is pure speculation, without proof, and the rest is your opinion. And your opinion doesnt even make any sense. There was no hint or mention of VATS, and stimpaks didnt heal limbs. Your whole comment seems like its designed to be inflammatory... which, if true, is just sad

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@vladimirrashkovsky6274Just accept that people like the show. I do. You can't stop us and there's another season. Don't like it, don't watch it.

[@totalygamingtemplar]

@@vladimirrashkovsky6274 i hate bait. but just on the small small chance your not baiting, THE BAD DIALOGUE IS ON PURPOSE, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A VIDEO GAME. and as for ReTCOnS, if anything in the show does not seem right, look closer, or do some research and it will suddenly fit perfectly within the lore. todd himself said everything fit with the lore and was canon. also the show is just a fun fallout experience.

[@geofff.3343]

I never thought for a second Maximus boobytrapped Dane's boot. I never could figure out who did or why, but Maximus just lacks the kind of guile required to get that past the brotherhood elder.

[@macintoshsalvatore9291]

Him being a citizen of Shady Sands, I always wonder why he didn't dream of being an NCR soldier, like becoming a First Recon sniper or wearing the infamous Ranger armor. I just assumed that it's because he was too young when Shady Sands was destroyed

[@scotthermmann4]

Because power armor cool

[@digitalgloop12]

He likely didn’t have any concrete dreams, and even if he did look up to NCR soldiers, he could’ve wanted any number of other things to do with his life. What sent him down the BoS path was Shady Sands being destroyed and him specifically being saved by a gallant knight in shining armour. As far as he could tell, as a child, there was nothing left but the Brotherhood so I could imagine him fixating on this cool faction of knights and squires that saved him.

[@thegotlandisfarmer8774]

He was a child it more likely he wanted be something stupid because most kids don’t really know what they want to be when the become a adult at that age

[@googleisevil8958]

Could also be he never saw the Rangers in action. The NCR's power might have been waning before as when we see them in NV, they are VERY MUCH stretched thin. Perhaps the second battle of Hoover Dam took too many resources and soldiers and the Rangers and First Recon were needed elsewhere. Though it's kinda obvious why he wouldn't have known about the First Recon... after all... They're the last thing you NEVER see.

[@CarlosColon-m7i]

He has the idiot savant perk plus All Hail Knight Maximus

[@Solo_man69]

All Hail Knight Maximus!!!

[@manofwarb]

No, he doesn't. A person with the Idiot Savant perk "levels up" i.e. learns new Skills aka Perks at a fast rate in spite of low INT. While Maxximus does undergo some character development in that he figures out what he really wants out of life, he doesn't seem to become more skilled ass the show goes on. He doesn't "get good" as the gamers say.

[@MartinGrozny]

@@Solo_man69 Hail!

[@oddjarb]

Yeaaaaaa!! Heeeheeeheeeeeee!!

[@oddjarb]

@@manofwarb i think that discovering that you dont want to be a quasi religious cultist comes as a result of leveling up

[@markricheard1870]

I just realized that if Maximus never gave back Vault 4’s Fusion Core, they would have had to do a Fallout 1 and send someone out to find a new Fusion Core…imagine travelling the West Coast and asking around “Have you seen a Fusion Core anywhere?” And another question I have is, what will the Brotherhood do with Cold Fusion technology? Will they make infinite-charge Fusion Cores? Energy Weapons with infinite ammo? I can’t wait to see!!

[@googleisevil8958]

God... Fallout 4's Brotherhood with Cold Fusion... Oh Lord... What if... what if supercharge Liberty Prime with it?

[@Potato_Tomato-od2lz]

That would honestly be a great way to include energy weapons in season 2

[@cyberman05]

Actually there was a brief scene where you can see he sent down the fusion core after Lucy convinced him to give it back

[@droidmaker7932]

@@cyberman05he talking about IF Maximus didn’t return the fusion core

[@cyberman05]

Oh right whoops​@@droidmaker7932

[@majinnbuu9363]

If you compair the three main characters of the show: Lucy=Good Karma (only hurts people in self defence, or later her feral ghoul mother to end her pain), Maximus=Neutral Karma (will hurt people when he has to, but mostly has good intentions), Ghoul=Evil (mostly because he doesn't care about hurting innocents people to get what he wants)

[@AC-TheDarkWolfoftheNorth]

I'd say more Chaotic Neutral (with a little evil) for the Ghoul, not fully evil. Chaotic neutral characters do not necessarily want others to suffer as a result of their actions, but do not care if others do suffer. They tend to behave in a good manner towards friends and allies, unless their friends and allies do not agree with them. I'd say the dog makes him feel the good side. He did save it after all. Lucy also makes him think. Remembering his old life and who he use to be whether he realizes it or not...he has a heart, but old habits die hard as they say.

[@anthonydonnelly1157]

@@AC-TheDarkWolfoftheNorth while I'd agree with you if it was using D&D alignment, Fallout's Karma system is a little bit different. It's a lot more black and white, and a lot of Coop's actions would put him in the Bad Karma zone. Though he'd be making his way out of that toward the end of the season. (or gains the "Ain't Like that Now" perk, lol)

[@MR.LMR1996]

Will admit I would love to see in Season 2 is for Maximus to be put under the command of a Brotherhood Paladin. A Brotherhood Paladin who specifically is the exact opposite of Knight Titus in nearly every way. Whose existance could help generate some internal conflict within Maximus' mind in regards to what he'll want to do during his next adventure in Season 2 as a Knight. In Season 1 we've seen nothing but the Brotherhood's flaws. How cowards like Titus, opprotunists like Quintus and weaklings like the other Aspirants that hazed him for god knows how long systimatically destroyed whatever ideas and notions Maximus once affiliated with the Brotherhood. What would happen if Maximus ends-up being deployed with a higher-ranking trooper who actually examplifies such qualities he no longer sees in the Brotherhood now though? Another Brotherhood veteran who manages to earn his trust and respect in ways Titus and Quintus pretty much went out of their way to destroy with their actions?

[@manofwarb]

In short, you want to resurrect Owyn Lyons! Not gonna happen. The ideal BoS Paladin imho would be someone like Danse. Whose views would be very similar to that of Elder Quintus. So, if Maxximus has lost respect for Quintus, why would he respect a Danse 2.0?

[@ghostdm69]

Veronica should still be hanging out in the Vegas area

[@connarmccain564]

Or he could want Maximus to have a role model figure similar to Palidin Danse from fallout 4

[@manofwarb]

@@ghostdm69 she's either a pariah within the BoS, or she's a hermit isolating herself to protect civilians from BoS fanatics.

[@PauloHenrique-dx7md]

😢 1:57

[@Aerie925]

I think in the scene where Maximus is being interrogated about what happened to Aspirant Dane that the reason he’s so unconvincing is because he feels guilty about his jealousy and also guilt because he wanted Dane to not be able to go. But I also don’t blame Max for letting Knight Titus die. All the stuff Titus was saying to Max about how the brotherhood is gonna kill him for not doing his job and what not…like, if you need someone to help you, maybe don’t threaten them 🤷🏽‍♀️ And when he comes clean to Thaddeus, he could’ve told him that he didn’t kill Titus, but that he wasn’t able to save him. Instead he says, “we have to get our story straight” which makes it seem like he killed Titus and stole hoss armor.

[@anthonycrisafulli9703]

When Titus was threatening maximus saying what the brotherhood does to squires if they mess up was insane, I don’t think they meant the kids being torn apart by their lungs and strung up but still if they meant the kids the brotherhood just beat the enclave in pure evil.

[@habijjj]

No the enclave is just comically evil no one beats them

[@oldmanjesus9855]

There's only one good faction in Fallout, the Minutemen. Other than that, every faction is evil, some just have a pretty coat of paint like the BoS, but they're still selfish, obsessed, ruthless, and cruel. The BoS is evil like the Enclave, the Institute, The Masters Army or the NCR. There's also the Railroad, which I'd argue that they are good, even if a little goofy.

[@ygbuck785]

In this show squires are not children they are teenagers and young adults if that makes you feel better

[@rileymorris8914]

The execution form Is called blood eagle and it is true except they hang your lungs on your shoulders after ripping your ribs off.

[@scott-gaming.8834]

Well, this chapter of the brotherhood

[@kevinafrank104]

OK, does anyone else find it Ironic? Maximus was found in the fallout of the shady, sans nuclear explosion, making him a child of NCR, He was never treated like he belonged to the brotherhood, and when he gets out into the Wilds with a night that would just assume see him die, a bear, like a single headed version of the creature on the flag, attacks the night from behind when that night is trying to sacrifice him. Then when chips are low, he has taken into a vault that has been inundated by NCR And shown a different, almost noble, way of community life. he returns to the brotherhood and becomes part of the fall of the NCR stronghold in which its leader passes the responsibility of cold fusion on to him. There’s probably other related irony along these lines that I miss, but It’s an aspect worth investigating.

[@richardiv385]

Between that and his guilt at ruining this chance at a better wasteland and resurrecting the authority of the NCR, I think he might kill Quintus and probably defect to the NCR

[@lambo3193]

I think Maximus will defect to the NCR, if the NCR still exists elsewhere

[@trivipesnipe]

I find it really interesting that the T-60 Maximus wore had the claw marks from the bear attack etched over the Brotherhood Emblem. It makes me wonder if season 2 is going to set up a split loyalty sort of conflict for his character arc.

[@MaximilianonMars]

Ah that's cool, I didn't make those connections. Good writing :)

[@RagPen01]

I like to think that Max's constant proximity to toilets and toilet accessories in his early arc is the writers (for that half of the show, at least) illustrating that he can be full of shit during that time or maybe it's his "lying to himself and everyone phase"

[@RagPen01]

@robyee3325 man... it's just symbology and theme and it's wholy inconsequential to the narrative It's just Fallout doing a funny in its own Fallout way Don't get your panties in a bunch over it. It's called artistic license and embracing the cringe factor is the first step in getting it

[@georgevourtzoumis2967]

lol, I think they definitely didn't have that intention but it's pretty funny

[@RagPen01]

@@georgevourtzoumis2967 on second thought It's probably representative of how he's still an 8 year old clinging to that portapotty cosplaying as his idols It was only after he fought the gulper that the toilet imagery stopped, iirc 🤔

[@lebr4385]

I liked the Maximus character so much, good to have a character with so much room to learn and grow. And it was fun watching a character where you just couldn't be sure if he was going to take the good or bad path each scene.

[@ApolloKreede]

0:02 WHY DID YOU SAY IT LIKE THAT

[@General_grievous284]

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[@General_grievous284]

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[@dimitri_kuznetsov]

@@General_grievous284hello there

[@8boi-gaming48]

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[@darrylkaopiojr.8883]

That fiend on the bridge look so much like Cricket. 😂

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

Personally, I really like Maximus. He seemed from the beginning to be searching for a family/community. And I really liked that he made a connection with Lucy and I hope they get to be together again eventually.

[@pdisaslacker]

The fridge thing is quite old, way before Indy. I think it stems from some refrigerators in the early days were lead lined, people thought that would be enough to escape radiation. Of course you'd die of suffocation before that.

[@srk4044]

Unless there's a hole in the back of the fridge so you can get air!

[@mathiasmueller9693]

​@@srk4044and radiation!

[@LexYeen]

​@@mathiasmueller9693Mmmm, aerosolized radioisotopes!

[@pdisaslacker]

@@srk4044 yeah, that air is radioactive.

[@jamesaustralian9829]

And those old fridges, only latched shut from the outside. You couldn't open them from the inside like a new fridge that simply pushes open.

[@BenjamenMcCauley]

Any chance that the tooth that Max gets shot with was his own tooth? I’m imagining someone buying it, making it into a bullet, leaving filly, getting ambushed by fiends who loot the bullet and then use it against the next guy who comes along. That’s my headcanon anyway.

[@AshleyHankey]

That'd be Hilarious but no they didn't put the tooth back in so we can assume it was an animal tooth not a human one.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

​@@AshleyHankey The people treating him also mention it's rotting, not like what his teeth were when they were removed less than a week prior.

[@1Samsonyte]

11:35 Fallout would definitely make a human character named “Chickens”. It’s exactly the type of twisted humor that the series is into.

[@schrodingersmechanic7622]

(Laughs in Fisto)

[@1Samsonyte]

@@schrodingersmechanic7622 that joke penetrates a little too deep 😬

[@DreamDaddie]

I felt that Maximus is the most human of the three main characters of the show.

[@dustinzhane7329]

Definitely my favorite he's more relatable for me somehow

[@tauceti8060]

Why not Lucy?

[@dustinzhane7329]

@@tauceti8060 traumatic childhood lol

[@jamesaustralian9829]

The ghouls the best

[@fraydizs7302]

The three main characters are three sides of the waste land experience. Lucy was the starry eyed naive person who was too trusting. The Ghoul was a nihilistic pessimist who has seen and done it all and pretty much only allows himself to exist to find out what happened to his wife and daughter. Maximus is, not as naive as Lucy, not as experienced as The Ghoul, but hes kind of in between. Hes an idealist, which does have a measure of naivete, but hes smart enough to be wary of people he doesnt know so that they cant get the drop on him.

[@danielkraig1298]

The show changed how I felt about Maximus 4 times and I have high hopes for how they continue to write his character

[@Knightfang1]

im guessing that this chapter of the Brotherhood has a location where they raise young children until they are old enough to begin basic training. kind of like a brotherhood ran orphanage

[@TheDakkaman]

I personally find Maximus to be an excellent deuteragonist or even full equal protagonist to Lucy for this introductory structure that the Fallout series has to be for newcomers to the setting. Lucy is the traditional protagonist, everything works out after hardship, she endures, she overcomes, and she has that fundamental devotion to decency that, when absent, can make a protagonist hard to relate to for most audiences. Maximus, on the other hand, feels more like one of the early Dark Age comic antiheroes. As you say he still firmly believes that good deeds are right and proper and those with power should seek always to enact good deeds, but the Wasteland as a setting and the Brotherhood as a group has left him much more tolerant of violence as a solution than Vault 33 did Lucy. I think that glorious quote Maximus gets (and I cannot overstate how glad I am they both added the line and gave it to him) of "Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how" encapsulates their dichotomy so well. Maximus presents a perfect disagreeing perspective to Lucy, two sides of the coin that want to help innocent people, want to use their skills and resources to help people, but keep bumping heads over how to do it. I'd argue it's the overarching theme of the Fallout setting translated into a pair of characters.

[@desiladygamer2076]

I find him so interesting. He isn't the goodie good optimist like Lucy or the jaded like The ghoul. He admires the brotherhood but does shifty things like steal the power armor from Titus (but seriously fancy insulting your squire when you are crushed by a Yao guai). But he also feels bad and tried to be honest with Thaddie and that just leads him into worse trouble. Then at the end they think he killed Moldaver and hes like uhhhhhh because telling the truth is just going to end up bad for him. Fun times.

[@1Samsonyte]

Maximus’ SPECIAL stats according to Bethesda’s Fallout Shelter game: Strength: 7 Perception: 6 Endurance: 6 Charisma: 5 Intelligence: 4 Agility: 7 Luck: 5 Fun fact: The Ghoul and Max are at the same intelligence level…

[@FadingVitals]

Intelligence- 0, Charisma- 0, Endurance- 9

[@Android-bq5iz]

With 200 years xp? That's not right.

[@INFINITE_AM_RADIO]

Shelter isnt canon lmao

[@1Samsonyte]

@@INFINITE_AM_RADIO maybe not, but it’s cannon adjacent.

[@1Samsonyte]

@@Android-bq5iz I agree. But the numbers don’t lie.

[@elvisibra]

I don't think Elder Cleric Quintus "misunderstood" Max. He assigned him to 1st wave Vanguard when battle commenced, same as technician (not squire uniform) Dane as "a reward" for being COWARD, it would seem that Quintus "rewarded" Max for being lousy BoS soldier, while talk about "sword of new BoS" is just more of manipulation, after Quintus already staged that "Fear Theathre of Confession", applied pressure and BOTH suspects broke, each solving their case PUBLICLY.. Quintus is a piece of work, and the rest he said about BoS there in the end during conversation with Max, is influenced by Quintus' own bias..

[@JataDaYokudan96]

I hope Elder Quintus sticks around for the entire series he has the potential to be a great antagonist.

[@elvisibra]

@@JataDaYokudan96 He likely will be around for quite seasons, unless they go with plot where his superios stage "Fear Theatre of Confession" for him 😅 and still after that, he can continue participating, depending on his "confession" 😅 Either way, we don't know who else is with Prydwen onboard up there, obviously airship's Captain is.. We will see..

[@nathanmiller8213]

Quintus strikes me as someone whose goal is the advancement of Quintus. Having said that, he strikes me as using manipulation of giving someone on the level of what seems a reward, while usually being a position of "if they die, they were weak, if they succeed, well, I have one more quality soldier/tool to use". Why I think he could be half serious about wanting some level of reform-offer people something they'll like so I'll have more power (the Huey Long school of gaining power if you will).

[@elvisibra]

@@nathanmiller8213 Yes something like that. And his MO falls into Military ways of doing things, but yes, he has his angle in all that. As for BoS overall other than their known doctrine: Max said: I had no place in the world (before BoS), so if I can help the BoS make it (world) better, EDEN or whatever (how he interpreted it).., while BoS staging across continent ops to get "an object of profound potential, to harm our nation or to save it" (regarding all intel, scale of ops, and little details like scanning the head for it, it is obvious they know exactly what it is) from the Enclave, where Barb, who's division of Vault Tec bought cold fusion (powering up G.E.C.K. Garden of Eden Creation Kit) research, is.. Show purposely distracted from BoS knowledge, capabilities and situational awareness via showing us "BoS" through lowest grunt soldier perspectives mostly..

[@16randomcharacters]

I never read his fit as envy. I read it as him disparing over his loss of his only positive social connection.

[@Avenus112]

I didnt see it as envying his friend either. More like despairing that no matter how hard he tries all he gets is beatings and fixing shitters.

[@isaac80745]

Moldaver is a fallout character that needs her own video. She had ncr background and led raiders to capture vault 33. She isn’t a raider herself

[@hillaport]

I think this was a really excellent profile vid for Maximus and I'm so glad you took the time to make it with such depth in the character analysis and with a keen eye for detail. I hope we get to learn more about the relationships between Thaddeus and Maximus and Dane and Maximus as seasons continue. Maybe Dane will become Maximus' squire--yes, they're both bound still to The Brotherhood of Steel, but there's a lot of character development that can still happen to flesh out their relationship (or to strengthen it, as I am hoping Maximus can get Dane out too when he's finally able to break free from the Brotherhood to search for Lucy--the bleak look on Dane's face when they say that there is no getting out) even with the sudden rank discrepancy. I think Dane truly is Maximus' friend. They've looked out for him, lifted his spirits when Maximus got latrine duty... and I think Dane may cut and run with Maximus when the time comes. Maybe Dane knows things about the Brotherhood that Maximus hasn't discovered, and will be able to work together with Maximus to find a way out together. Mostly I want to learn more about Dane and I hope they play a good part in season two. I think Maximus probably still sees Thaddeus as something of a friend (and likely he feels ashamed of how he treated him too). Anyway, I'd like to see Maximus and Thaddeus patch things up between them a bit.

[@jcheng28]

I think Maximus is similar to the character/situations that the Fallout 4 character gets put into. You can play as the noble, justice seeking character and Maximus sees the BOS as that but realizes that they are more obsessed with tech (I don't know if he's that low in intelligence the classroom scene where he gets smacked I saw it as disinterest) Similar to Fallout 4 I think Maximus is going to play along with the BOS until there comes a time where he must pick a side much like how you can pick between the Railroad, Institute or BOS

[@digitaldevil696]

For what it's worth, Maximus admitting his desires makes him an even better person IMO. It takes some bravery to admit even to yourself that you wanted it to happen, let alone to tell someone else, interrogation or not

[@kelseyastra9607]

Max didn't want something to happen to Dane to take Dane's place. Max didn't want to have his only ally or friend leave the base to be in the wilds and possibly not come back.

[@crystallynne2663]

THIS... Practically just left the same comment

[@Burning_Soup]

ngl i love how maximus is rocking that 0 CHA build

[@wildside316]

I could be wrong, but I think he'd be a fine fit for Elder Lyons' chapter, or Paladin Ramani's chapter. He'd be dang near an outcast in Arthur Maxum's chapter, maybe even Roger Maxum's as well.

[@dakotahoker1922]

Maximus would have fit in well with the Lyon's Pride

[@googleisevil8958]

I'm still kinda salty they never had a new brotherhood divide were Sarah lived and her Lyon's Pride made their own version of the Brotherhood in secret. That would have been cool to see in Fallout 4.

[@treysonbates6110]

@@googleisevil8958yeah but a lot of people complained about them being savers

[@Gantros]

This video perfectly encapsulates how I viewed Maximus, and I believe will inform how he and the Brotherhood will evolve in the TV series and subsequently any future games that take place afterwards. My theory is that like Titus, Maximus will see Quintus as unworthy of the power he has taken for himself with the cold fusion reactor, and how he will almost certainly abuse it. First, I imagine that mid or late season 2, Maximus will overthrow Quintus’ for leadership of this new faction of the Brotherhood, and impose his ideals upon it, which the younger members will embrace as they discover the sense of positive wellbeing that helping the people of the Boneyard rebuild with their hoard of technology (I think it would be funny if Griffith Observatory becomes a new BoS Citadel and the Nuka-Cola portion of the Hollywood Sign is replaced with a neon BoS insignia). Maximus will follow Lucy eastward, alternatively absorbing other chapters into his faction while battling others.

[@thisismyhome]

I’m loving these character profiles you’re doing. The Norm video was brilliant and this one is just as good!!! Great work sir.

[@noahdean9685]

I think it would be interesting if Maximus turned out to be the great grandson of President Tandy!

[@manofwarb]

If Shady Sands had started to decline in 2077 ass the Todd stated, there's no way such a prominent family as Tandy's would have stuck it out there.

[@c3lest1na45]

That would be too fanfictio-ney fan service imo. He's fine not really related to anyone.

[@ruben_zermeno]

Maximus is like a well-written version of Finn from Disney Star Wars. An african guy who joined a particular military faction, and then meeting a caucasian naive girl who felt in love with her, and questioning the goals of the faction that they joined in the first place.

[@fraydizs7302]

Bruh, Finn could never lol

[@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle]

Putting race into it is kinda weird ngl

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

​@@fraydizs7302unlike Abrems and Kennedy, Amazon knows what they're doing

[@gatobuho-]

Finn's story is completely different, Finn is supposed to be a coward no willing to fight because he doesn't see value in fighting for anything, but most people didn't understand that about his character, his development ends in the second movie, where in my opinion he must have died, that's why in the third movie he has nothing to do and just runs around shouting Rey.

[@smc7594]

I never thought Maximus did it. The acting was so amazing it showed his fear and his guilt even the shame that he wished something bad because he was jealous and both his one friend and his love and the weight of being indebted to the brotherhood had him facing what the brothhood would do but in that moment that even if they committed him to death he would be proud to have served in whatever capacity they saw fit for him and their need.

[@smc7594]

I also think in seasons to come of course going after Lucy but still remaining under the brotherhood where he somehow takes out his leader to help ncr and try to replicate the home he once had but in the way he experienced in the vault with Lucy and even the ghoul at his side.

[@fru6060]

What if: the brotherhood helped Frank MacLean because it benefited them to see the NCR gone, and that’s why they were there…?

[@googleisevil8958]

Would the Brotherhood try and help Vault-Tec though? Also is it possible that Vault-Tec is linked to the Enclave? It's been theorized before but what if it's confirmed in the show? It would mean that the Brotherhood is helping their mortal enemy.

[@fru6060]

@@googleisevil8958 could be they don’t know either, or they’re looking past it to take out the biggest regional threat

[@victoryfaction]

It feels like both Dane and Maximus are covering for each other. Neither one is convincing me they did it, making me wonder if a third party did.

[@wintertrooper7918]

Nah Dane totally did it to themselves

[@Steel-101]

(After the final episode of the Fallout TV show). Maximus: “Are you not entertained?! Are you not entertained?!” Lucy: “ummm okey dokey, who are you talking to and why are you yelling? Did you drink the dirty water again?”

[@murderedcarrot9684]

Is he unfitting as a BOS guy? An investigation on Vietnam battle grounds show many on both sides aimed high because many hoped to get through the war without killing.

[@babalonkie]

It almost seems like Titus gave up... and knowing Maximus's desire and he is dying... motivated Maximus by saying exactly what he needed to hear.

[@CaymenEditz]

maximus: “you don’t deserve that armor” titus: “what, and you do?” he definitely gave up. that’s gotta be the only explanation. he had also just complained about the futility of the missions

[@mouseshadow-f5k]

The refrigerator reference dates back to the time. Kids used to get trapped in old models because the door had a latch on the outside.

[@Strider91]

The man is the very definition of "Falling up" . . .

[@karpai5427]

hm. yeah. falling out.

[@theboredkid3620]

Sort of off topic question: does it make sense for the Brotherhood to fly the flag of the United States next to their own like they do in the shot at 2:15? It’s a well known fact that Roger Maxson, the founder of the Brotherhood, publicly seceded from the United States days before the advent of the Great War after making certain discoveries at Mariposa. I’ve never heard of the Brotherhood openly claiming to be a continuation of the American government in the way that certain Oil Rig enthusiasts do, despite the fact that they very well could due to their affiliation with the US Army. Ideologically, Roger Maxson argued that the pre-war United States government failed the people and, more specifically, the soldiers it claimed to represent. He based the doctrines of the Brotherhood around combating what he believed to be the excesses of his country and the greedy politicians who dominated it, in direct response to his experiences at Mariposa. According to Maxson, the United States government’s abuse of and over reliance upon technology led directly to its downfall and that of all mankind, therefore necessitating the formation of an organization devoted to preventing these abuses from occurring again in the future. Does it not then seem a bit strange for the Brotherhood to fly Old Glory next to their own standard, seeing as the Old World government represents everything the Brotherhood swears to oppose?

[@manofwarb]

It makes sense if the "Brotherhood" seen here is a division of the East Coast chapter, that subsumed what was left of the West Coast Lost Hills chapter. The East Coast guys consider the Pentagon to be their true HQ and they still hold on to at least some of Lyons's ideals in that they do help wastelanders if it suits them. Makes sense that this chapter in its own way embraced at least the symbolism of "the USA".

[@gumie3579]

Yes, because he left the USA military because of what they became. He loves the USA and what it stands for. He is just trying to uphold what he thinks is right to those values. It's the oath everyone takes when they join.

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

It makes "sense" if the writers didn't bother researching the lore of previous games, made shit up as they went along and expected the fans to eat it up and even defend it. "It just works"

[@Archeota]

26:58 He crushed Thaddeus' foot when Thaddeus was scared like he was. Maimed him.

[@sebastianacevedo9444]

My friend pointed out that how Dane said that Maximus will be knight forevermore was very similar to what happened in MacBeth. And while MacBeth isn't a complete match to Maximus it is interesting

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

I’m actually surprised that Maximus as a kid born in the NCR had a initially had a positive reaction to seeing a BoS Knight. Wouldn’t the Shady Sands School have depicted the Brotherhood as Fascist monsters? Especially when the BoS takes on…Legion-y behavior in the Show…why didn’t this ring any Red Flags in his mind? Surely History Class taught about them being monsters?

[@StraightOtohGunga]

The NCR also utilized power armor so maybe as a child he didn’t recognize them as being a different faction

[@googleisevil8958]

@@StraightOtohGunga Not in the same way the Brotherhood did though. The NCR are pretty much wearing striped down power armor without any of the enhancements. It's "power" armor in name alone. While the helmets might look the same, being that they wear stripped down T-45 and the knight who saved Maxie was wearing T-60, it's very obvious the Brotherhood knight would look different than an NCR heavy trooper.

[@AverageWagie]

I assume the schools in Shady Sands were staffed by Followers of the Apocalypse who aren't too keen on sneaking propaganda into their curriculum

[@stefthorman8548]

Did you forget? Max isn't someone interested in history, look at his int.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@googleisevil8958 is this canon information?

[@mysticdragonwolf89]

Maximus is what Finn should’ve been - oh hell this series is what the Star Wars sequels could’ve been - none of the characters rely on destroying previous characters or showing they are better but rely on what they can do themselves

[@PoliTechBlog]

Maximus also seems to have the "Idiot Savant" Perk working. I liked his character from the start. Maximus would be one of the favorites if not for Cooper stealing every episode.

[@FrumiousMing8]

The character writing in this show is top tier. Maximus is an example of one of my favorite pieces of writing advice: give a character everything they ever wanted. Maximus had clear wants and desires but along the way he was shown/experienced what he really needed. He achieved everything he ever wanted but only after learning that he didn't really want it anymore. He finally realized he needed someone who accepted him for who he truly was and a community that would actually support him. A home, a family, and peace.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Random sidenote, but the shopkeeper's face at 12:47 makes for a good meme template

[@Redwood-vi8ho]

I like Lucy's brother as well, I hope he breaks out of vault 31!

[@jamesaustralian9829]

Yes!

[@Giveme1goodreason]

Norm for me is the breakout character

[@saltymisfit6566]

The first time I came across the brotherhood of steel I didn't know anything about them I like Maximus I thought they were going to be the faction that I was going to stick with because I thought they were going to be like he is protectors of the waste that beacon of light in the darkness and then I found out that they're just a bunch of greedy self-absorbed assholes

[@garwynrosser8907]

Maximus knew who put the razor in the boot. That's why he was panicking during the interrogation. He was scared about what the brotherhood would do... To his friend.

[@pmpowalisz]

The Brotherhood of Steel will surely use cold fusion to fight their enemies (as would the NCR), but there is nothing in their ideology that prevents them sharing the true benefits of the technology they are safeguarding. After all the DC chapter lets the wastelanders take purified water from Project Purity’s lake, and I doubt that changed under Arthur Maxson’s leadership. You said it yourself that the western BOS chapters are now taking points from the more successful DC chapter (having decent relations with the local communities is a big reason for that success). Also I am sure Scribe Veronica from the Vegas Chapter (she was quite young during the events of New Vegas) will have a say in what is to be done with Cold Fusion.

[@nathanmiller8213]

Even Quintus, as...amoral power seeking as he seems, does seem genuine in terms of wanting some level of change.

[@dultan]

I really wished Dane only said it to protect him. Would've made things so much better. Maximus is "The Bad" in "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly", Lucy is "The Good" needing to learn how to be bad to survive the wasteland and Maximus is "The Bad" needing to learn that there's good out there and in him as well. His character was a good balance between good or bad, keeping the Dane situation vague would've kept his character in that limbo but since Dane did it to themself and together with him getting the credit for the death of Moldaver things just felt like it happened to him rather than previously where he made those choices.

[@Wordweaver166]

That's if Dane is telling the truth. I'm not 100% convinced they are, especially since Maximus himself appears at the very least to be awkward when talking about the issue, and to have a guilty conscience.

[@dultan]

@@Wordweaver166 There is a chance but it seems clear cut, I wouldn't believe it if Maximus said it wasn't him because he lies a fair bit but Danes character seemingly hasn't lied yet.

[@TonyAurum]

There’s still a chance for Maximus to become an even darker character. He wasn’t present for the talk between Lucy and Moldaver, and we’ve seen the things he’s willing to do to get what he wants. I think without Lucy there helping bring out that good side he might allow himself to grow that evil side much more especially now that he has some power. We could eventually get his arc of him learning to be better but personally I’d prefer him to grow into the series antagonist

[@dultan]

@@TonyAurum I hope so, I don't want our three perspectives to be all good guys/people to root for. Unless they bring new characters.

[@Wordweaver166]

@@TonyAurum I'd say a more logical character arc for Maximus would be learning to either temper his romantic idealism about the Brotherhood with either a dose of cynicism and/or pragmatism, or to become more than what the Elder wants him to be, i.e. someone who redefines the Brotherhood (but not *under* the Elder, but *instead of* the Elder, as the Elder right now wants a tool, not another visionary), and to learn to be more cunning and devious, and not engage in rash actions. This would complement the other two main characters well; e.g. Cooper can definitely teach Maximus about being pragmatic - while at the same time Cooper needs reminders of the idealism that he used to hold 200 years ago. I think it's a good dynamic that each of the main characters is broken and/or deficient in some way, but could potentially get complemented by either of the others, while also running the risk of becoming corrupted, in a way - just like Lucy could "corrupt" Maximus into not wanting to better the world any more but retreating into the vault (which might at least be considered a form of personal happiness instead of a societal happiness), and Cooper's example could corrupt Maximus into abandoning ideals in favour of expediency and his own survival. It would be compelling for each of the others to see their own reflection in each other, potentially after they have overcompensated in trying to fix where they had gone wrong so far, and eventually gain a better sense of balance.

[@yokai333]

Maximus: the hero in the villain's army

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Maximus is very relatable, and his growth as a character is great, from a young boy to a great hero in his own right. Maybe he, lucy, and the ghoul can eventually start their own faction, that can actually help people in the wasteland.

[@gumie3579]

After watching this show, I now realize that I can never side with an evil faction. In the game, I could never take from my farms to give to the Brotherhood. They are just like the Gunners but better structure. Just like the Gunners are just better Raiders.

[@hotknux]

I like Maximus a lot hes a really good guy who just happens to be a bit slow but you know he can be counted on when the chips are down

[@The_Cranberry_ghost]

I can see Maximus serving as a knight or star paladin under elder Lyons’s brotherhood who else agrees or a minutemen general

[@milesmartens9635]

general of the minutemen, poor max, with all this bullying, preston and the settlements would become his new bullies.

[@The_Cranberry_ghost]

@@milesmartens9635NAH not the settlements😂

[@The_Cranberry_ghost]

@@milesmartens9635as usual ive gotten a word that a settlement thats being threatened by raiders

[@Kieranhc]

Maximus seemed like he took some brain damage when he survived.

[@monody]

Maximus, good? The dude has the ethical compass of a toddler that's never heard the word 'discipline'.

[@santamuerte4767]

Imagine maximus being the head of brotherhood outcasts? Now that would be cool

[@deshawnsanders8406]

Bruh as someone who comes from a very violent upbringing and now currently works in social work helping teens to avoid the same childhood I had, Maximus’s story resonated with me in a way very few fictional characters do❤️💪🏾

[@julianalanfrey8965]

Same here, his character just feels so human and real

[@jamesthorpe80]

Oxhorn, I gotta say, man. I really love these deep dives into the TV shows character breakdowns. Plus the ranking on the S.P.E.C.I.A.L attributes is the chefs kiss to the whole video. Can't wait for videos of the other characters.

[@samaantree]

Once you realise that each character follows special stats it makes the show even better to follow lol😊

[@Markis2bi4]

I hope Maximus can find the strength, and friends, to turn this chapter of Brotherhood around. This is a man what we imagine the BOS to be before learning the truth of their nature.

[@KellyKMc]

I love your in-depth character studies.

[@therebelfrogy9287]

30:49 This scene reminds me of a quote from Star Wars: "Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and an apprentice." Maximus was chosen by the Elder as his apprentice because, like Anakin Skywalker, he's damaged and vulnerable therefore easy to manipulate and control. Max possesses such power that even himself couldn't realize and with it he would potential become the Maxon the leader of the BoS

[@willbaggiins9441]

Maximus is really my favorite character I just can't wait to see his full development. What will he be like in Season 3,4,5? will he even still be a good guy? will the world change him? will he be with the NCR? the Enclave? will he be the new leader of the Brotherhood? There as so many things they can do with Maximus. He is my favorite of the show

[@rodneywilson9192]

The simple idea that Titus might have been subconsciously suicidal due to PTSD, other traumas and disillusionment fixes some bad writing. It also leaves open the possibility that Titus was a good knight and most do earn the position.

[@matthewthomas7674]

Be hell of a plot twist if he is the descendant of president tandi... what a twist that would be!

[@tuxedeoboi9155]

Maximus is someone who started with fallout 3 not knowing anything else about fallout and then learned how the Brotherhood normally is

[@UltravioletNomad]

I think we have contingents of people who interact with the series in two ways, either full pragmatic RP or straight lore hound, and neither are really compatible with these primary characters as neither viewer has room for a human level on nuanced absurdity. People always say that playing a goody two shoes is boring, but thats only if you are meta gaming what the "good" options are and always choosing them, essentially with the premise that the correct solution is the one with the best overall results. BUT DON'T, play the goody two shoes like a dogmatic saint, like a fucking gullible moron, or an unfortunate hypocrite, and you will have fun. And that's the direction I think the show is going, they aren't your typical pragmatic do gooders, they aren't cynical scrappers, they are people who start as absurdly confused and flawed dopes that don't magically become competent (outside of combat which they are both very well trained for) and smarter just because they got screwed over once, and I love that.

[@thatchstringfellow1432]

I hope Maximus gets power armor training. Throughout the season, the power armor, which everyone who has played the games knows, is pretty badass armor is made to look clunky and unwieldy in someone who's inexperience (Maximus) or practically useless against someone who's basically a max level character (Cooper).

[@Elyseon]

Destroying the Brotherhood seems more and more morally correct.

[@Phoebe5448]

I'm starting to admire the Outcasts more.

[@Elyseon]

@Phoebe5448 The Outcasts are pricks who didn't think the Brotherhood were big enough assholes. If the Lone Wanderer helps them beat the Anchorage simulation to unlock the armory, they immediately turn on him.

[@wesleycolvin7158]

Titus was projecting his own cowardice onto Maximus.

[@Carl_Weathering]

Max should have like a 9 or 10 in luck because he constantly failed upwards

[@CaymenEditz]

he failed upwards so much that he didn’t want to be there anymore

[@shawnradcliffe3514]

Oh boy. When Maximus finds out that it was Lucy's dad who nuked Shady Sands I cant even guess how he will react

[@CaymenEditz]

she told him and then he got knocked out