MAYDAY. Engine failure after takeoff. Fuel dumping | Hawaiian Airbus A330-200 | Honolulu, ATC

[@doreensokolowski6414]

I admire the pilot's calmness.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@donnarupert4926]

My man is chilling 🥶

[@jameswaters3939]

Odd [to me] that the aircraft stayed at 1500 altitude for the entire event. I might think that they would have climbed higher in the case that the other engine had any problems.

[@marcocasati6953]

Just curious why they chose to stay at 1500, looks very low, i thought you would ideally want to get some more altitude for troubleshooting and fuel dumping before returning.

[@Boffin55]

Completely agree, surprised they didn't climb up another 5000ft

[@TGCourt]

If they’re over the ocean there’s literally nothing to run into. Standard traffic pattern altitude for turbine aircraft is 1,500AFE.

[@mdb831]

@@TGCourt it just leaves very few options if the other fan quits.

[@cageordie]

@@TGCourt I am assuming cloud. I don't know though. As mdb831 says, that's not leaving many options if the other one quits.

[@Boffin55]

@@TGCourt They were 25 mi out, not in the pattern. If they had other issues, 1500ft can disappear very very quickly. Plus I've never heard of anyone fuel dumping from 1500ft, normally ATC will give you a climb into the 10k range prior to a fuel dump.

[@boeing-lt4el]

Glad everything worked out. A shame they had to dump from 1500. Lots of fuel in the ocean at such a pristine location.

[@Belchmaster41]

I know... and most planes don't dump until reaching 3000 ft (or more?

[@vincentkorpel8695]

the pilots were good informed about what's needed for info at several moments, (think ahead), like, asking groundfreq for fire/resque, to speak with, and request simular things in advance

[@WildlifeObsessed]

Solid performances all round. Well done.

[@zidoocfi]

It's rare to see ATC rush the "cleared to land" clearance -- I wonder if they thought they needed to do this because of the Transair B737-200 that ditched off Honolulu about 7 months earlier. That Transair flight with the dual engine failure was a true aberration, since dual engine failure on a jet is exceptionally rare. However, the quick "cleared to land" by the controller here had no adverse effect, since the pilot just calmly replied to the effect of "no thanks, we want to wait."

[@bulletbling]

I thought the exact same thing.

[@cageordie]

Right. ATC did an excellent job, if you need to come back you can do that right now. Exactly the sort of response that should be offered to a MAYDAY call.

[@soupbums]

Nope hnl favor Hawaiian over other airlines it's a known fact anyone who works there knows about that With dumped fuel to oil spill they get away with alot in fact most rubbish on the ramp it's from Hawaiian airlines

[@mattguey-lee4845]

I think if you listen closely the same controller was in the tower for the Transair B737-200 and this flight. I think she was there on another engine out incident about 2 months after Transair B737-200.

[@DBR00]

You can see ATC- great video as always. Would it be possible from time to time on future videos to include other traffic in the area? I am curious to see how the ATC controllers move all of the other aircrafts out of the way when there is an emergency in progress. Thank you.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Thank you. It's gonna take more time but I'll try.

[@msjdb723]

@@YouCanSeeATC Yeah, because you're a full-time air traffic controller, right? If so, I don't know how you even find the time to do this. 🤯

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍😁 I just like that.

[@msjdb723]

@@YouCanSeeATC Thanks! 👍

[@DBR00]

@@YouCanSeeATC much thanks. I really appreciate it.

[@dasheight203]

Killed it! Nice job boys 👏🏽 you make me proud to be…

[@malekodesouza7255]

Kudos to all. Nice and calm. I miss home…😕

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much.

[@cageordie]

Excellent procedure on the emergency call! That's the way to do it. Just a bit surprised they stuck around at 1500 feet where discovering you had a common mode failure, like the same person made the same mistake on both engines, would lead be a real issue. Was there low cloud? I thought the minimum dumping altitude was 6,000 feet, but the FAA says 2000 feet above anything within 5 miles, which I guess would mean 2,000 above the Pacific. www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc_html/chap9_section_4.html

[@Marix498]

I don' understand why not climb higher, 3000, 4000, maybe 5000 ft to feel safer for case of next engine failure and to make chance some fuel to evaporate before contaminating Water?

[@sylviaelse5086]

"We'd like to remain within 10-15 miles of the airport". "All aircraft, fuel dumping occurring 20 miles south of the airport."

[@NicolaW72]

Yes.

[@_Tommmmmm_]

Wonder if this is the same A330 I overhead some Hawaiian airlines pilots talking about on my flight from Honolulu to Maui last week. They both had issues with the autopilot intercepting the loc and performing an auto land. I guess for one of them it just kept drifting left of the loc and the other one had it Bose dive and bank left when arming the approach lol

[@AEMoreira81]

So some A330s do have fuel dumping capabilities.

[@megathumper777]

I echo the comments here, great video and production. But why on earth stay at 1500’ 20 miles away from the runway????? It’s an ETOPs aircraft for goodness sake, a climb to 5-10,000ft would have been no issue

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Thank you. I don't know what was the reason.

[@mphhumanfactors]

@@YouCanSeeATC I was a pilot training manager at HA during this time and subsequently discussed this incident in class as a great example of airmanship and communication- both internally and externally with ATC. I have also been a pilot in the seat during 13 engine failures (I was military and flew C-130s), so I know what they were juggling. I can tell you that performance-wise, they were doing everything they could to keep people safe on this hot day, and fuel jettison kept them within safe landing distance/braking limitations. They stayed at 1,500' (I presume- for the record, I was not part of the ERC or the investigation) because it is an easy pattern altitude, and climbing then descending again to land immediately would have added to the complexity and workload they were already experiencing. At 1,500', there is no need to run additional climb/cruise checklists, nor a complicated descent and slow down when turning back in for a landing. The extra altitude would help if they had to glide on zero engines - maybe - in the infinitesimal chance they lose the other one, but not necessarily. Climbing higher when the other engine was producing perfect thrust is not necessary and can potentially make calculating a landing spot and pulling off the single-engine landing maneuver more complex. Every pilot is intimately familiar with a 1,500' radar or visual, pattern altitude speeds, etc. This was a very sound workload-management call; they also dealt simultaneously with cabin crew, passengers, and emergency responders. Less juggling of tasks = more safety. If you knew all the performance and workload considerations, not to mention the engine failure possibly turning time-sensitive as it did in the recent Trans Air crash, you would have preferred what they did to having them climb up into the higher altitude structure, taking additional time and power on the operating engine if you or your babies were on this flight.

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

Good thing this didn’t happen midway when no places to divert

[@christophergaff2617]

You would think they have a fuel dumping area!

[@rilmar2137]

Those folks were fortunately more lucky than Transair 810

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@andij605]

well they did have a totally different plane in a totally different state, so...

[@NicolaW72]

@@andij605 Yes, indeed - to their luck.

[@skyetse7032]

When was this?

[@YouCanSeeATC]

You can fint that info in the begining of the video.

[@roryoconnor6298]

Great job boys

[@YouCanSeeATC]

👍

[@TheCOZ]

He told you what he needed. Provide it.

[@nancyhayes5905]

The May Day call in to ATC was way too fast.

[@YouCanSeeATC]

But she was really for that call.

[@MeaHeaR]

OMG Dhidd they deids ¿ ¿ ¿

[@dfjanus8014]

how do pilots understand wtf the atc is saying... it sounds like str8 jibberish what the fuck lol

[@Gulfstream650SP]

Also if you had one engine Failure with no engine fire indicated why wouldn’t you taxi off the runway and leave it available for any other emergencies does not make any sense drama Pilot 😵‍💫

[@GVoidV2]

it's standard practice to shut down on the runway in the US, they need to stop as soon as possible

[@GVoidV2]

they also wanted a visual inspection from the ground crews as the failure could've done something the pilots didn't know about

[@t288msd]

I don't understand why USA ATC consistently tries to tell pilots what to do after declaring an emergency. Vector here and another vector there. The pilots said what they were going to do hdg155, 1500ft. Leave them alone to sort it out. Happens so frequently.

[@annaliesebuchan]

to add to that, there is always checklists that need to be run and usually the company needs to be contacted in most cases. ATC is usually always in a rush to get them on the ground (rightfully so) but in most engine failures for large aircraft, the aircraft can still be flown for a few minutes for checklists and fuel dumping as was with this case.

[@buckhorncortez]

ATC has to keep them out of the way of other aircraft. That's all they're doing. Quit second-guessing everything like you know all of the interrelated considerations that have to be taken into account to safely vector ALL aircraft in the area.

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

You're kidding, right?

[@willyTB1962]

Matt, you’re correct in that ATC shouldn’t have been giving instructions while the crew was dealing with the problem. In ATC’s defense though…the crew did initially declare a MAYDAY instead of just “Declaring an emergency” or “Pan-pan, Pan-pan, Pan-pan”. There are differences and those words mean different things. The Mayday call made it more urgent and that’s why ATC basically said land any runway or asked which one do you need while trying to give them a heading back to the airport. Mayday means we need to land NOW and it could be a life or death situation. The crew also should’ve told ATC to just “standby” with any further communications until we call you. Some ATC folks are pilots and understand what the crew is dealing with. Most ATC folks aren’t pilots and don’t quite understand how busy things can get during a non-normal or emergency for the crew. Yes, they’re trained for the event but sometime human nature kicks in and ATC are trying to be helpful. Having recently retired from a 34 yr career as an airline Capt (B727, B75/76, A300 and MD11), I can assure you that jet engines don’t just quit very often. When they do it’s rare for it to be any more serious than a another routine maneuver in the simulator. I know the general public, non pilots and the movies make it out to be a full blown disaster, but most are easily controlled and flown to a safe routine landing.

[@t288msd]

at 1500ft. out of the way of other acft? on a heading of 155 and 1500 ft out of PHNL. really?

[@willyTB1962]

Internationally, as long as the engine failure doesn’t cause a dire control issue like a loss of control, you would normally declare a “Pan-pan, Pan-pan, Pan-pan” (said 3 times) not a “Mayday”. You’re telling ATC you have an issue or problem but controllable and you may not be able to comply with their instructions…and to standby. You can always upgrade the call to a “Mayday” if the situation becomes more dire. We don’t “Declare an emergency” Internationally. That’s a US thing. Declaring an emergency in the US is like saying “Pan-pan” Internationally. If the situation becomes worse you can upgrade it to a “Mayday”. If you say “Mayday” over in Asia, they will stop all traffic taking off and landing for you and until you safely land. Not something you really want to do at a big International airport unless the situation warrants that. So, it sounds like it wasn’t a dire control situation and therefore declaring a “Mayday” wasn’t the correct terminology in this particular instance. Not gonna ding the crew cause I wasn’t there and don’t know what they were dealing with initially and they may have had control issues. Good job by all involved. Retired MD11 Capt

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Thank you for your comment. That was a long text with a lot of information 👍

[@BlakeWildBASE]

Pretty sure a blown up engine is in fact an emergency internationally 😂 just because they were calm doesn’t mean it isn’t dire.

[@buckhorncortez]

ATC direction for mayday includes: "engine failure that will lead to a forced landing/ditching/ejection/bailout;" Since the pilot did not know the exact status of the engine failure at that point, he was playing it as safe as possible for the highest priority with ATC. My God, you people really think you know all about flying commercial aircraft from your keyboard while sitting safely in your basement.

[@willyTB1962]

@@BlakeWildBASE Granted, it’s more serious than the coffee machine stops working on a long flight🥴, but it’s typically not a dire life and death situation on large jets. All performance calculations are based on losing an engine at the most critical point on the takeoff roll (V1) and continuing the takeoff while meeting all climb performance criteria. When the crew said “Mayday” that sets in motion different actions by ATC than just saying something like “Hawaiian xxx…engine failure, declaring an emergency…turning to heading xxx, standby”. Saying Mayday t means we need to land NOW..IMMEDIATELY. THE HECK WITH DUMPING FUEL ETC.. it’s a life and death situation. Obviously, they had full control of the aircraft. They had time to dump fuel to their max landing weight and run checklists. Just making a point to clarify the difference between MAYDAY call and declaring an emergency or Pan-Pan. Fly safe!

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

I'm gonna try to remember that when I get an engine failure, leaving 8R at HNL.... aviate navigate communicate... Jesus...

[@jasonthomas9364]

Emergency or not staying low plus dumping that low was unbelievable, had to have been their first time for any emergency

[@davidhickok3525]

87 SOB on an A330? Wow.

[@AEMoreira81]

Asia isn’t really open right now. Going west, it’s just Australia that’s open and they just reopened.

[@petersmith8134]

That ATC needs speech therapy.

[@EdOeuna]

This sequence of events is very strange. Levelling off at 1500ft after an engine shut down isn’t the best idea, even if you’re over the ocean and there isn’t any terrain where you’re holding. Also, asking permission to jettison fuel is odd. This isn’t kindergarten where you need permission to go to the toilet. You’ve announced “mayday” (although pan would be sufficient) and you’re clearly wanting to return fairly urgently. 40,000lbs is about 10-15 minutes of jettison time. Begin the jettison and tell ATC, don’t ask for permission.

[@AS-ww3fe]

Wow didn’t know u are trained pilot and experienced many of these issues