MAYDAY, Engine FAILURE, emergency landing. EL AL Boeing 787-9 diverts to Kennedy Airport. Real ATC

[@wotan10950]

Jeez, I’ve flown that Newark-TLV flight many times, 747, 777, 787. Thank goodness, never had a problem.

[@barryo5158]

Great comms by pilot!

[@RLTtizME]

Good radio work too.....

[@jordanhare6276]

Are you joking? They dumped fuel without clearance. Very delayed reactions on their intentions.

[@barryo5158]

@@jordanhare6276 Wrong, during an emergency the controller is to separate and inform other aircraft during fuel dumping, if they are in contact with the emergency aircraft.

[@scottwright8354]

Evidently, always adding Mayday to their call sign must be in their OP Specs for some reason. I thought it strange, but it's no different than adding Lifeflite to medivac flights. Perhaps it would be a good idea for controllers dealing with international flights to have conversion charts available so they can do the conversion instead of adding to the already extra workload crews like this are experiencing.

[@thejimr]

I was thinking the same thing with regard to the fuel on board. I've heard different controllers ask for it in different measurements... they shouldn't have to take time to convert in the cockpit. With adding mayday to the end of each transmission, it helps keep other aircraft or listeners who have joined the frequency after the initial call out that there is another aircraft in emergency status.

[@maxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmax1]

Adding "mayday" to your callsign is a great way to make sure that stations that are new on the frequency are clued into the fact that there is an aircraft in distress. What I don't understand is why pilots in the US say "declaring an emergency" when the international standard is "MAYDAY" and "PAN PAN".

[@johannessamuelsson6578]

@@maxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmax1 My guess is that "emergencies" can be "minor" technical issues or incidents that don't warrant a Mayday call, although I agree that it is rather vague with the non-standard communication.

[@maxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmaxmax1]

@@johannessamuelsson6578 a "minor emergency" is a PAN PAN. Mayday: Immediate threat to life (engine failure, rapid depressurization, passenger heart attack, ect.) Pan Pan: Possible for threat to life (flap failure, single hydraulic failure, fuel filter warning, ect.)

[@Fireandbubbles]

I get why they need to know fuel and souls aboard, for safety and search and rescue (or recovery) but wow it’s disruptive. ATC can’t see if it’s a good time to ask, and if you’re trying to run a checklist it’s gotta be annoying because the priority to the pilots is to keep the plane safe.

[@guinnog2]

It's essential information for the airport's emergency protocols and the flight crew are at liberty to provide it when ready. There's no expectation they would interrupt a check list to do so!

[@Digitalgems9000]

no

[@joesmith332]

A couple of things I noticed. When the controllers ask for fuel in pounds, they should know to ask for kilos or tonnes from international carriers. Also, good job by the tower picking up "QNH" without having to ask the pilot to repeat. To be honest I think I would've missed that one.

[@LjL-Videos]

He keeps insisting it's "20 kilograms" even after they say it in all possible ways... :

[@christerry1773]

I don't understand why that cannot be transmitted through ACARS. ATC could send a message req, and the pilot accept it and the computer transmit the info down to the controller in real time. What a pain that's gotta be for pilots in an urgent situation.

[@fetzie23]

@@LjL-VideosYeah you’d think that they would be familiar enough with metric measurements to realize that 20kg of fuel is less than half a tank of fuel for a car so might not be the amount remaining for a 787 😂

[@pgbrandon]

I'm all new to this. I find it interesting. I guess it is too much to know 2.2 pounds per kilogram, but as a Canadian I know when a plane flew across the country they ran out of fuel because of a mix up between the metric system and the imperial system. Luck would have it that one pilot was also a glider pilot and the other pilot knew of a massive abandoned air strip. They landed safely, but some children will always remember the plane landing beside them as they rode their bicycles on the runway.

[@zamar2158]

​@@pgbrandon gimli glider

[@beeboppmcgopp]

Is amazing how calm the pilots are. I'd've been freaking out lol

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

This is why you aren't a pilot. LOL

[@Fireandbubbles]

It’s training. Same reason nurses don’t panic when they have a person’s heart stop. It’s easier to stay calm if you know what the plan is. If you start to freak out, you can take a deep breath and think about the next step in the plan.

[@christerry1773]

I would do. Some of these video's i'm over here gasping for air just listening.

[@Digitalgems9000]

piss off@@JohnSmith-zi9or

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

@@Digitalgems9000 That wasn't kind.

[@mattwebb02]

Armchair pilot here, is it a bit of a worry fuel dumping started without authorisation from ATC? Pretty dangerous I would have thought if other aircraft were in the vicinity.

[@saxmanb777]

It should be requested but it’s not necessarily required in an emergency.

[@Rurik8118]

As far as dump clearance - given the proximity to Nantucket, perhaps they said Fack-it 😅

[@kendufresne]

I'm surprised he didn't divert to BOS.

[@eduardopaolini4285]

Hey do you have delta 1943 nov 26 return to kennedy with bird strike? Around 830pm local time

[@YouCanSeeATC]

Hey, i know about their return but haven't listened an audio yet.

[@kathystein411]

"Dump fuel" ? Like just "dropping it out" while flying?

[@thimolubken7577]

Yes

[@kathystein411]

@@thimolubken7577 isn't that dangerous?

[@mugishakamana8455]

@@kathystein411it’s more dangerous to land overweight (performance, structural etc)

[@richierugs6544]

is it procedure to say mayday every single time?

[@holylee30]

could be in their system

[@JDH_MUSIC]

often they just say "emergency aircraft" and sometimes they only say it when changing tower frequencies

[@LjL-Videos]

Uncommon in the US, but common elsewhere, AFAIK.

[@RLTtizME]

@@LjL-Videos Europe has always been a little stuck in the past.

[@LjL-Videos]

@@RLTtizME the US has always been a little stuck in inability to communicate understandably. Maybe that's why they shoot at each other instead. Easier to understand. Also, clearly Israel is in Europe now... 🙄

[@bsnitch7030]

Considering the flight path and the fact that the flight crew may not be all that familiar with the U.S., should the controllers have suggested the plane divert to Boston rather than heading all the way back to JFK?

[@EWRFLYER]

Oh I figured that they chose JFK because LY has more flights (hence bigger ops) from JFK over BOS or EWR.

[@saxmanb777]

Controllers wouldn’t really suggest airport diversions over others. That’s 100% up to the pilots with some dispatcher input if time permits.

[@josephpadula2283]

20 kilograms , like a large bag of dog food.

[@dianaschwalb3560]

Believe piolet reported 20,000 tonnes

[@EffSharp]

I know how annoyed I get when someone is trying to talk to me while I’m working so I can imagine it must be even more annoying for pilots running a checklist. 😂

[@C-141B_FE]

My God. The controller. Seriously....

[@ngkful]

How much fuel? 20 tonnes....20000 kilograms Roger, 20 kilograms

[@zauru192]

"oh so you have 15 seconds of fuel left? Roger, no further questions"

[@robsadv]

Should they have declared Mayday or just Pan-pan?

[@guinnog2]

They should really have asked permission before dumping fuel.

[@user-xp9hu8sg9o]

I was expecting the F18s to escort El-Al all the way back to JFK, since its the Airline of god.

[@MS-gt6vh]

Again a nice example of how many risks American Atc is taking with emergency aircrafts... Elal has engine problems but they still release departures on the same runway as the emergency aircraft... a go around with engine problems must be funny... it's ridiculous how many examples are on youtube and they continue doing it like that.

[@tjjoseph333]

Fuel reaming Checks 55, are the lavatories clean, meals available? 😂

[@wotan10950]

I’m sure you think that’s funny, but ATC needs that info to pass on to the airport - the amount of fuel helps the fire dept know what level of fire they’ll have to deal with; the fuel helps the tower determine which runway is optimal for an overweight landing, and where the emergency vehicles should be stationed.

[@tjjoseph333]

@@wotan10950 Fully briefed on the procedure. What needs to be done is have this information forwarded by the controllers om hand off in the comfort of their chairs and removed from the workload of pilots in hyper critical emergencies. Its ridiculous in this age of technology. Absolutely absurd.

[@golfkid333]

ATC is so annoying in all these videos, asking so many questions

[@RLTtizME]

How so?

[@runescapeman82]

Questions save lives.

[@AryehH]

These questions save lives if God forbid the worst happens the number of people on board, how much fuel they had, and so many of the other details constantly being passed on could help piece together what happened and whether or not there are any survivors.

[@brmam1385]

@@AryehH not a pilot here, but please don’t ignore common sense question. Why aren’t/why not the very basics of; 1) souls on board; 2) fuel in BOTH US & EUROPEAN pounds, kilos, tonnes, etc; 3) onset & finish of fuel dumping AUTOMATICALLY forwarded from one ATC frequency to the next one until the plane is safely on the ground? Isn’t that possible &/or has the FAA been frozen out of drastically updating its comms systems?

[@wotan10950]

Those questions can help prepare airport personnel. The number of souls alerts the fire brigade how many people they should be aware of, and what to expect in case of an emergency evacuation. The amount of fuel helps determine which runway will be most favorable in case of an overweight landing, malfunctioning flaps or landing gear, as well as how much fuel is onboard in case of fire.

[@clqudy4750]

Become a pilot! And enjoy a long career of repeating yourself over, and over, and over... to ATC that don't seem to understand the basics of commercial aircraft. Must've been a terrible inconvenience to the passengers who didn't make it on time to their destination: AN ACTIVE WARZONE!!!

[@RLTtizME]

You are a little testy. Not good pilot material for sure.

[@jordanhare6276]

Slack, slow and out of precision. They did not ask to dump fuel, but just dumped. The return to JFK seemed very slow and slopppy. Weird.

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

ZNY, not your finest hour guys. We, the tax payers and airline transport pilots, expect better. Perhaps the privatization of ATC is needed in the USA.

[@user-xp9hu8sg9o]

Good luck with your wishes

[@johannessamuelsson6578]

as if privatization solves anything. Look at the railroads in the U.S. or any infrastructure in the UK...

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

@@johannessamuelsson6578 Absolutely it does. Our FREIGHT railroads are the best in the world. Nobody moves as much. NOBODY. Competition lowers prices and makes services better. You WOULD NOT buy, nor would you ever want to, buy an iPhone made by the government.