Kelly Clarkson: Small-Town Starts, F-You Attitudes, & Combating Industry Standards

[@jcbstn77]

Is it just me or could this interview have gone on for 8 hours and still not be long enough? lol

[@robervin9107]

Your not alone

[@KARamil]

With Kelly, she can talk on for hours

[@fit6673]

Literally!! :-)

[@shannon5436]

Totally agree! I need to see more of this interview. Love mayim and Kelly so it was a great episode!

[@slvrangel22]

That just means we need a sequel.

[@loganrideout9151]

I'm the generation that grew up watching Myrim on TV. The one thing I've always loved about her looks is that she doesn't look like everyone else. She is unique and beautiful, and I wish she saw herself that way.

[@petegirrardtan6167]

Is it just me or is anyone else wish there is a part 2 or a monthly conversation with Kelly?

[@essentiallyme3713]

I would LOVE that too!!

[@fondasharkey-wyatt9944]

I was going to say they MUST do this again. Not that I'm the boss, but because it was such a healthy, fun interaction. 2 phenomenal, intelligent women kabitzing.

[@HH-gv8mx]

Kelly is rad! I want her in my friend circle!

[@kathleen2754]

Yes I agree there should be a part 2 and maybe a part 3.

[@AllisAllAboutminis]

They could have a monthly podcast together.

[@sinthiafs]

I am so surprised that Mayim has this perception of herself! For me, she's always been an example of woman who besides of being talented and hardworking, remained true to her own values. I hope someday she'll be able to see herself the same way we all see her...

[@happix-mo4441]

YESSSSS she's always seemed like a Boss to me.

[@anabaird3835]

Ikr? I was just thinking "All those talents, super brainy and she can sing, too? Who IS THIS Mayim person? 8th wonder of the world?? 🤯. I dont mean to sound like I worship her or anything weird like that, but she IS, und ExtRaOrdiNary.🤯.

[@kyrilascully7828]

Mayim, your self-perception reminds me of my own. I also had thyroid issues--Graves Disease that flipped into Hashimoto's at menopause. I have to ask you to ask yourself (you need not be accountable to me!) what happened in your childhood that might have triggered that negativity about yourself? I had a narcissistic mother who constantly complained about everything about myself. I was very creative and talented but my mother would say, who ever told you you could sing/act/write? Well, Gene Roddenberry, for one, and other famous writers for another, and other actors and singers. But I couldn't hear their voices because my mother's voice was the loudest and most constant. My mother simultaneously wanted to live through me and was completely jealous of me and did everything she could to prevent me from having any success. So I've struggled with my self-perception and can't really accept compliments to this day and I'm pushing 70.

[@rreid3990]

Yes, exactly!!

[@susancooney7033]

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[@azeldajoubert2528]

My 13 year old son looked at me 2 weeks ago and told me it made him sad that I always tell them that they are perfectly perfect as them selves but I can't even look at myself as just me without wanting to be or look different. It shook me, literally to my very core. I cleaned out my closet of all the things I wear but hate, and saved my head. I will learn to live the life I encourage my children to strife for.

[@tanjat]

OMG that totally made me cry! Every single day I tell my son the same but it feels so difficult to give myself the same grace. But I am working on it!

[@lolybiol]

Way to go! Keep shining!

[@Nbrbsa]

Powerful, thank u for sharing.

[@jonnyboy7762]

That is so beautiful, we all need to love ourselves. Your so worth it and you be more present for our families.

[@sunshine3914]

Whenever I see a child with makeup on, I can’t help but think the mom is saying ( without saying ) “You’re not good enough the way you are.”.

[@angelarasmussen1800]

I actually appreciate Mayim's reaction to the practically perfect self acceptance and self awareness that Kelly exudes. Both Mayim and Kelly are great at authenticity.

[@kensi613]

This truly was one of the best interviews, not just of Kelly, but of any celebrity, I have ever heard! It's so refreshing to hear someone be so open and honest and not say what they (or their publicists) think we (as the viewing public) want or should hear. This is why I have always adored Kelly, she just is who she is and screw anybody that doesn't like it! Thank you for such a phenomenal interview.

[@TheFeliciakelley]

I. Love Kelly!!!

[@sharoncantrell5502]

From one eating dysmorphic intelligent woman to another, I would like to say, at the end of the day, it's how you feel about yourself. Not a compliment nor demeaning comment means a crap. You are a child if God. Beautiful! Remember beauty is only skin deep but ugly is to the bone!!!

[@amandahayes2306]

100% agree

[@marcorodrigues8303]

tudo bem você me not me viu 😌🤳 ok como pode viu há área 🥚🤔#

[@ylekiote99999]

This is the most unaffected mega celebrity that has ever been. She still to this day doesn´t realize how truly amazing she is. So humble and so authentic. Absolutely love her.

[@chelsmeister]

That's the amazing power of growing up in a small town :)

[@rreid3990]

TouchE !!

[@jscho8674]

​@@chelsmeisterGreat point. You're so right! ❤

[@Porcf81]

Dolly Parton is up there too. Kelly and Dolly are americas greatest treasures

[@bo5965]

I agree with Kelly. Mayim everything about you is wonderful. I hope you can start to see your worth.

[@randyjones1130]

I agree w/ Bo who is agreeing w/ Kelly and Mayim has a lot going for her, and this would be another Texas vote if it matters - Mayyyy-IM!

[@ruthploof1]

Girl, I get it. Good days, bad days. I just hope you can believe, or as Kelly says:"I didn't just read it, I took it in!" That you are not only good enough, YOU are AMAZING! Instead of still working on it at 66. Okay? Okay.

[@christinamcallister3791]

I agree with Ruth, who agrees with Randy, that agreed with Bo, who agrees with Kelly that Mayim; you are so smart, talented, funny, relatable.... a powerhouse. I've been a fan since I saw you as Cece Bloom, in Beaches. I know you're on a journey, so hear us and feel the love!

[@peanut9185]

@@randyjones1130 0

[@deborahswet1652]

I agree with all the others you’re wondering and definitely enough

[@rain3743]

These two women are absolute gems. Mayim is awesome because she's REAL. Kelly is just so endearing and transparent.

[@ashleelarsen5002]

Pretty photo. Mayim is so refreshing :)

[@HH-gv8mx]

I want to be friends with both of them!

[@daddysgirldog]

Everyone needs a Kelly to get/stay real.

[@firechlc]

This is why we loved Betty White so much because she too seemed so real and touchable.

[@Gramps1975]

Would take these two over any Kardashian any day of the week! They're real and genuine!

[@tinachakonas2333]

Love ya guyz

[@tammy8309]

Amen

[@kyrilascully7828]

I'll also take real and genuine over fake and phony every time.

[@Noeau]

Not a great comparison. Really, Mayim vs Kardashians?

[@vivianzuniga8814]

Mayim honey, I’m almost old enough to be your mom. My oldest just turned 40. Please hear me, you are an amazing human. You are incredible as a mom, actress, human in general! Relax and just be. Anyone who doesn’t like you, it’s not your problem, but you need to love you. I have thyroid trouble too and have for years. Just can’t get a handle on it. God bless you baby! You rock!

[@pricetaylor93]

Man I didn't know Kelly Clarkson is such a wholesome person. She's amazing all the way around

[@amyklotz8795]

Re it we we are re r wergewg we wegman’s we g weT W they’d he t poop g we e

[@justinvaughn7991]

Where have you been? 😜

[@melaniegs5952]

Yep talented and real AF she’s always been that way even as a 18 yr old on idol

[@pricetaylor93]

@@justinvaughn7991 I've only ever heard her music. I've never watched her interviews or anything else

[@nasskc896]

@ub3rsc00ber exactly. Us KC fans known it for years now it's for others to see & experience how wonderful it is having KELLY CLARKSON in their life. Hopefully, gain new fans now

[@MrSamisue27]

Oh Mayim, as a mother you are the kind of woman I would want my daughter to have as a role model! You are so unique in the industry and that's what makes you so very special. You truly are a legend 🙌

[@slvrangel22]

I love that Kelly isn't glammed up for this. She is gorgeous. And what makes these Breakdown podcasts special is that we get to see celebrities as people. She isn't Kelly Clarkson the entertainer right now. She is Kelly Clarkson the human being. I watched the one with Oliver Hudson and Will Wheaton and Kunal. We got to see them being themselves along with their vulnerability. The world needs this. The world needs to remember that celebrities are people first. Intelligent human beings as that. It is humbling. We see celebrities on talk shows but it's not like this. It is staged and mostly a PR stunt. Furthermore we are learning about ourselves through all of this. ❤💖

[@kathyaxton9840]

Kelly is one in a million. Can you imagine what our world would be like if we were all like her??she’s the most down to earth person iv met. Kellie can sure stand her own

[@Ashley-wu7hy]

It'd be too good and would t be special or a breath of fresh air I suppose. But I do wish MORE people could be ...

[@aroblopez]

OMG KELLY CLARKSON!!!! With Dr. Bialik?!?! My 2021 is complete.

[@ebradyZ]

I second that. Hopefully they'll continue the conversation.

[@Historian212]

If you haven't seen it, catch the episode on Kelly's show where they have their first conversation. Talk show gold. Based on that I was totally looking forward to this happening, so glad it did.

[@marisamartinezolivera]

@@Historian212 Do you have the link for us Europeans?

[@robinpeterson1950]

That's how i felt when Kelly had garth on her show and then when she sang the dance for him. Omg

[@Stacey_LaValley_Lambert]

My husband will be in heaven. 😊🤗😉

[@Rosiepooh75]

I have a very hard time listening to people talking for long (probably undiagnosed ADHD), but this interview kept me 💯 engaged for the whole time. Three people being their true selves with no ego. Really enjoyed this!

[@tkram97]

Mayim, listen to Kelly!!! You are badass and we love you just the way you are!!! Loved this, you and Kelly need to be thrown together more! ❤️ Kelly’s ending needs to be all of our mantras!!!!

[@LarryMagruderJr]

💯 Yes!

[@katicabogar24]

I keep thinking of ‘her’ outburst of impostor syndrome in TBBT 🤔☺️

[@irmalara6174]

I was going to write the same, glad to see many people think alike

[@sherrytyrner8641]

This interview makes me just LOVE Kelly Clarkson. She has wonderful energy and I appreciate her genuine attitude.

[@stellar2435]

this is the first breakdown episode i've ever seen. looks like i've got to go back and watch them all now.

[@marie-clairedelongchamp1330]

You will not be disappointed! ♥️

[@angierecovering_clutterer2434]

You for reals need to do that. Mayim is delightful!

[@adrianaavila8853]

Same! This is the 2nd episode. I watched Jeanette McCurdy’s interview first

[@angeladeluna]

Same!

[@naheedali8035]

Mayim I felt very emotional when I heard u say “I am not okay with whom I am” You are so accomplished, intelligent, talented actress, scientist. You have got to believe in yourself and how much you make others feel inspirational . I love how Kelly sees u and shared her thoughts about u, I agree 100%. Mayim your physical size doesn’t matter your mind makes you attractive even during blossom you were not the usually look being shown on tv but your confidence maybe when u were a child worked for u. I loved this interview with Kelly, she is so real, talented and down to earth. Love her talk show I hope you continue with your show Kelly.

[@Mimi73161]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@meggzilla009]

I have been waiting my whole life to be able to yell "THE POWERHOUSE OF THE CELL!!" And be correct. with enthusiasm. By myself. You are such an amazing teacher ❤️ you speak clear and concise without speaking at us. Much love!

[@Fiawordweaver]

Mayim, im 68. It breaks my heart that you don’t see yourself as many of us see you. You are so amazing to reach the large range of ages in your audience. I just want to place my healing hands on your head and infuse empowerment and truth of who you are. You shine! I am so excited about your show. I love your honesty. The industry standard is so fake. Thank God, you didn’t fall for fake.

[@c471]

I'm in my late 20s and I love Mayim!

[@valeriequinn9463]

What she said!

[@parkviewmo]

Right on target!

[@lauraw.7008]

Kelly + Mayim + Jonathan are an amazing trio.

[@overbet36]

This version of Kelly Clarkson is doing it for me.

[@nasskc896]

Well, there's only one version of Kelly Clarkson...she is Kelly everywhere. I get it, her no make up self is super sexy. She is naturally beautiful. So is Mayim's. They both incredible women

[@LoddyDah]

Wow. Her story about crying in the garage 'cause of milk is actually heartwarming. You can't take it back. And it's crazy cause all you really wanted to do was share your gift of music. What an honest moment about fame. That's why we love Kelly. 💖😌

[@abyrd3072]

I love them together. They had fabulous chemistry on Kelly’s talk show, so I’m super happy to see them together on Mayim’s show too.

[@vickismith9852]

I have my own faults, weaknesses Lord knows but I have to say that I am so grateful to be a nobody! The evtra burden of having to deal with others when money is involved....heaven help them.

[@stacyhawkins2947]

Two of my favorite talkers, talking to each other...am I in heaven?? Please do this again.

[@Zave125]

Possibly the best interview yet. Thank you to everyone for opening up and sharing. It absolutely resonated with me 100%.

[@MayimBialik]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@suzyq6767]

I think the difference between these two strong women and their self-confidence is the age when they began working in the industry. Although K was just out of high school, there is a vast difference between a 19-year-old's and a 12-year-old's ability to stand up and learn to set boundaries. M probably had to do what she was told to do a lot more while in the public eye. I love both of these strong ladies and wish them well.

[@jhosamelly]

Dr. Bialik, I do not know what we could say that would change how you perceive yourself but I will say this: you are awesome, funny, smart, and great at everything you do. I really hope that someday soon you see yourself the way we see you. I kinda feel sad that you view yourself that way. I wanna hug you and give you words of affirmation everyday.

[@valagal]

And she rocks as a podcaster!!

[@alicedebleu6418]

I love that she talks about thyroid health in connection with mental health. I am someone who struggled with mental health from ages 4-23 and could never figure out why until I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and since being treated for it, I have been able to stabilize so much more mentally and emotionally without that constant storm of inconsistency in my hormones and body chemistry

[@billyalarie929]

Thyroid cancer? :-(

[@anisafaruqi9330]

As a person with chronic hypothyroidism, I've been told that Depression will run close to thyroid issues.

[@knighttravels]

I had thyroiditis once, fortunately I made a full recovery, but in addition to the extreme pain my brain and emotions were a mess. I couldn't think clearly and I was always crying without even thinking about a reason.

[@zeidypaola]

Mayim Bialik is not only an American national treasure but also should de protected as World Heritage

[@shainacabanban9485]

I couldn't agree more ❤️

[@m_brokenleg]

+1! 🙋🏼‍♀️

[@loronn7654]

@@shainacabanban9485 ppm lp

[@marisamartinezolivera]

She must be declared UNESCO’s Intangible Heritage for Mankind

[@TotalmenteEng]

Agree

[@curtismoore6757]

As a 54, nearly 55 year old gay man, I am struggling with age, the hair loss, the weight gain..... I am so proud of strong beautiful woman, you are who you are, giving me the idea of that who I am is ok. Thank you ladies!

[@Familylawgroup]

Dr. Bialik: We need you to televise an hour with YOUR therapist AFTER your therapist watches this episode. I think you have revealed more about yourself to yourself than you have previously. Kelly should be in your orbit of close, personal friends. You two are good for each other.

[@leannevanessascott]

Oh my gosh, I’m so glad you have discussed such an important topic of thyroid conditions and adrenal fatigue. As a homeopath and acupuncturist, we always see the link between adrenal and thyroid health, and how they all control different parts of the immune system. Even the link between endocrine disorders and MTHFR gene. And both conditions have a link to trauma. And for the longest time, general medicine has rolled their eyes. Hopefully, the more people speak about this, the more it will be highlighted.

[@sylviaatieno8891]

I cannot wait to hear Bev's comments on this episode. One of the best episodes. I cried most of the time when I heard how Mayim views herself. If only she could she herself the way I see her...

[@rturney6376]

😂😂😂 Bev is partial behind Msyim’s challenges

[@marisamartinezolivera]

@@rturney6376 As any mom must be😉😍

[@Tanner2331]

Totally agree Sylvia

[@truecrimelover2022]

i am halfway in and thought that the whole episode so far

[@CrochetCrochetJoyJoy]

I've had a girl crush on Mayim for years

[@parkershot]

I have to say... I don't recall ever listening/watching a longer than 25 minute interview on KZbin. I watched this whole video and loved every minute of it. Thank you Kelly and Mayim. Authentic and heart felt exchange.

[@laurinlatour4246]

Watched Kelly from the beginning. Proud of my fellow Texan.

[@daianeduartegoncalves5288]

Kelly, after this interview I admire you even more! You are humble and have a heart of gold!

[@barbarabornholdt2854]

Mayim... listen to Kelly! You are badass and beyond inspiring to people who are like you! Please understand that you as you are is everything you need to be. You give me hope.

[@MsAllthenamesaretake]

Best example of 'celebrities are real people too'. Really appreciate the vulnerability shown by you all.

[@hollyhinman9818]

I was like,"is that a Joshua Tree that t shirt, I have that shirt!" These interviews are like a well rounded healthy meal and sweet treat to me! Breakdown podcast reminds me not to generalize, and to cheer myself on more often! Thank you to all three if you!××

[@susiefairfield7218]

Went through menopause, went off all medications and quit smoking three years ago and had to fight my doctors from putting me on more drugs, they tried to say I had Hashimoto etc. the whole time.(got a new doctor from Colombia who got it)Medicinal herbs, vitamins,and excercises got me through. So happy to be leveled out, finally...took about two years

[@Galaxy-R2D2]

This was the BEST interview I have seen in a long time. Kelly is not that typical superstar, she is a person you would want to hang out with because it would be real not fake. Or “I’m better than you” attitude. Mayim, you are such a intriguing person that having a conversation with you about life and self image. This was just a brilliant watch. Thank you xx

[@AC00009]

I. Have. Never. Clicked. So. Fast. YASSSSSSS to Kelly Clarkson AND Mayim!

[@crystalplus2]

I'd like to be a part of the therapeutic group text. Between dealing with my thyroid, anxiety, divorce, depression, etc... it would be so helpful lol

[@orland0110]

"Mayim Bialik's Breakdown" is one great reason why you are such a great person Mayim. Your podcasts have made me so happy. Thank you so much for today's episode with Kelly Clarkson!

[@billyalarie929]

I just realized there’s multiple layers to this name lmao that’s so dope

[@tbell1698]

Aside from being a fabulous talk show host, Kelley is an amazing guest. Can there be a part II and III interview with Kelley? The two of you are so great together. I love that Kelley is in a fresh face without the glam, rocking pigtails and a baseball cap; she's beautiful in everything she wears because she exudes confidence and inner radiance. I admire her for being able to stay true to herself and for being transparent. What a tremendous role model and inspiration you two are to women everywhere.

[@LAppleDumpling]

❤❤❤yes!

[@rturney6376]

Mayim - I liked when you defended Call me Kate and said “ a lot of people are working hard 😓 here. Show Respect ✊. 😃

[@frenchbutter]

Thank you Kelly C for acknowledging how expensive the health industry can be and how it really is only accessible to people with a certain amount of money.

[@Deb5S5111]

Mayim, I think you need to have DAILY pep talks with Kelly. She will set your butt straight. LOVED the interview.

[@rebeccamurphy4695]

I don't think I've ever heard Kelly's songs, because Metalhead, but I was so delighted by what she had to say!

[@johncollete675]

Please have her back sometime.

[@tammy8309]

Mayim, even if you don't think you are on the same popularity train, which you are, look at all the people you have reached, helped, touched, and lifted up, just by seeing/hearing you. In all you have done, your energy lifts people. It's not about what you wear, or how you look. You are beautiful, just the way you are. We create with our thoughts, the more you allow yourself to be in a place of self-doubt, worry, and fear, the more you create. When you know that happiness has nothing to do with any other human on the planet, it is simply where you allow your thoughts in the moment. You can then choose to consciously take your thoughts to things that make you smile and happy instead. Create a new habit. Then you too can have the Kellytude and the inner power and peace. Also, when you think something and your gut goes icky, that is your internal guidance telling you that your thinking wrong. Consciously correct that. So, live consciously, connect with your higher self, and be yourself authentically. Laughter, playfulness, joy these are good things you bring to people, please see how you lift people, and get excited. Life is as good as you choose it to be. Abundant blessings to you always. Much love.

[@norixdies]

I could listen to Kelly and Mayim for hours 💛 so therapeutic. Also, Mayim is incredibly cool, for real, I wish she could believe how loved and admired she is.

[@sgage2743]

I'm so glad I'm a62 year old grandmother bc I've been done with doing what others want. I am me and do my own thing. I left churchianity for spirituality and found I'm really happy with me!

[@Indy__isnt_it]

I love Kelly! She DOES sing like that! I have seen her twice live in concert. Once with my daughter and her two friends for her birthday after the 2nd season of American Idol (top ten). Then we went together, (mom/daughter) to see her and Clay Aiken together. She can SING her heart out!

[@Goldiibug]

I 100% understand Mayim's self perception because I feel the exact same way about myself. I pray all the time that I could see myself the same way others see me because I hate that I am so ashamed of who I am. I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of but I still am ashamed to be myself :/

[@shabytin]

Oh, Kelly and Mayim! I adore you both!!! This was so much fun!

[@haraalarcon7218]

This was the most real, raw, honest, transparent and heartfelt interview I have ever heard. Off the record true real life situations, personal, health, being public with Kelly and Mayim were so awesome. This is the top interview for me.. I will even watch this again just to get some self motivation for me. i suffer from thyroid disease and so does my daughter.. We struggle all the time. She is 30 and I am 60. This interview really set some perspectives in play for me. Thank you Mayim...

[@nasskc896]

I love these two. Kelly really is always lift up people...i love when Kelly kept uplifting Mayim when she so hard on herself. These two need to do this more often

[@rafael.almeida99]

DAMN. That's it. This is just what we need. So much respect for these 3 people.

[@KristinM626]

I think this might be one of my favorite episodes so far! I enjoyed you on Kelly’s show & this episode was just as fun. Your banter with Jonathan at the beginning & end had me laughing, which is the perfect way to start a Tuesday morning.

[@heidiklessard8440]

I don't know what it is but Mayim makes me laugh so hard. I can't get enough of her dry sense of humor. Her singing KC song the way she did 🤣 Love you Mayim. Don't change your sparkle, intellect, humility & authentic ways ✨

[@marisamartinezolivera]

I ask you the same that Kelly asks you here: WHY? Why a cool, witty, intelligent, beautiful with “sexy calves” (as you say) but definitely gorgeus and sexy woman can feel so bad for herself? I couldn’t agree more with Jonathan and Kelly, dear Mayim! We love you the way you are. Because you’re able (and this is very, very difficult to achieve) to show us in a wonderfully raw but sincere way, the natural beautiful inside-out of you. And there’s a big amount of beauty there! Period. Head and soul up, my dear! You worth tons of 💎💎💎💎! Waiting what Beverly has to say about this! In the meantime, thumbs up for my fav woman! 👍🏼💜💜 And btw, all your dresses at Emmy’s red carpet were gorgeous, but you in that electrical blue at 2014 ceremony were STUNNING!!! 💙

[@Historian212]

Sometimes, people can be told all these things repeatedly (as Mayim has been), but aren't able to hear it. Because of prior experience as a child, life stress, and other reasons. There are non-medication techniques for addressing this via the body (because the intellect has little to do with it), that Mayim can try when she's ready. Because you have to be ready -- it's not for the fainthearted. I hope she will.

[@marisamartinezolivera]

@@Historian212 In the part of telling her repeatedly I absolutely agree with what you say. But I disagree in other: intellect, mind and soul is the only one able to overcome any self-esteem question. But in a warm way, I was trying to coach her here….

[@katinadiep9268]

Kelly has a few songs about the hard times she had to overcome growing up. Anyone can relate to her. ❤

[@corkycobon1481]

I loved Kelly before but I seriously am grooving on her more now. Thank you for a great show!

[@paulmcanally7578]

I've been in love with Kelly Clarkson since I was 3 years old and heard her on the radio in 2004 🥰

[@DaNieloBaCa]

Kelly and Mayim! Been waiting for this since I saw Mayim on Kelly’s Show! Soooo exciting! 🤓🤓🤓

[@ebradyZ]

Agree. What a great combination and conversation.

[@slvrangel22]

I haven't seen that. I'm going to find it afterwards.

[@krisibaker7397]

I absolutely love how both of these amazing women are encouraging eachother to be who they are and own it and believe in it! And to kick it all off they encourage US to do they same!!

[@janinegreene9653]

You three are a breath of fresh air. I’ve always loved Kelly’s music. And now I love her for herself, being real and not giving a flying f. And Mayim you have always been a favorite of mine!

[@PeachPlastic]

It looks like Mayim has meshed her self-criticism with her identity and that she rejects others' attempts to help her see a different angle for that reason. When we adopt a self-image, we set out affirm it through other people. Tragically, it obviously doesn't help her to be told how great she is - instead, it seems to make her feel worse. Maybe that's because if none of these negative thoughts are true, all the suffering that has already been had - would have been for nothing. As phenomenal as therapy is, and as complex as some problems can be - a problem when people stay in it for so long that there's no distinguishable graduation point; sometimes our problems give us some kind of purpose or reward that makes the struggle seem worthwhile. I'm a long-time therapy-seeker as well and I also have an education adjacent to the field, that's how I know. It's painful to watch, really! I would say that I hope Mayim's therapist will be able to support her in climbing out of that mindset, but Mayim would have to genuinely want to. She clearly identifies all the things she loathes about her career/LA environment but she's as adamant about all those standards somehow being valid. In German, there's a saying for a mindset that translates to "it cannot be what must not be"; it's used when sometimes someone will furiously hyperfocus on things outside of their control and get extremely worked up about it, but do nothing to alter the course; it's almost like when a superhero will keep their nemesis alive because it creates an energetic equilibrium of tension, and an immediate feedback loop that ensures there is no pause. For all the space this occupies, there surely is something else that's very effectively being pushed to the side. What would it mean for Mayim if she accepted herself, what would happen if she did, why would that be so bad? These are questions only she can answer to herself and maybe she's not ready for it. I hold out hope and wish her the best.

[@davidasullivan7980]

I truly hope you're a therapist because you are spot on! Very well articulated. I do wonder if Mayim has ever contemplated what acceptance of herself would look and feel like. I think I'm going to take that as my new mantra into different aspects of my own journey. I liken it to not having ones phone. It's become an intergal part of who I am and how I go about my day. Without access to it I wonder how my day would look. Anyways, thank you for your insight, you seem to truly have a gift.

[@luluherzog8738]

You guys bounced so much of each other 3 way, and it stayed breezy with talking deeper subjects. Nice one guys😉🤓❣️❣️

[@SlamDunkin333]

I still have my autograph from Kelly when she adopted two dogs in Southlake. Her realness with herself has helped guide me to be me and own it. Both of yall are amazing wonderful people ❤❤

[@Ana-zc6lp]

Where can I sign up for a therapy session with Kelly Clarkson?

[@katiebwheeler]

I heard someone say at a conference once, listen to the people that are on the bench with you, listen to your coach, your trainer, don’t listen to the people sitting in the nose bleed seats, they don’t know you and they don’t matter.

[@user-Tn2Dn]

Never really watched Kelly before - she’s so cute and funny!

[@anette-_.]

This is by far the best podcast episode ever!! I agree with Kelly, I'm just too lazy to give a f*** about what anyone thinks of me. And I think that attitude can be very helpful for tons of people. I love being weird with you is also a good attitude to have. People are trying too hard to fit into "the norm"

[@nataliesirota2611]

Thank you Kelly Clarkson for having such an amazing attitude and sharing it with us all! Mayim you ARE a bad ass and we LOVE you!!! Jonathan you are an awesome partner! Yes, supplements, support, lifestyle changes, food, etc. for better health. We all need to hear more of this! Thanks for another fabulous Breakdown!

[@haleyruiz3125]

MAYIM!!! I think we ALL struggle with seeing ourselves like others do simply bc we live with ourselves day to day unlike others and can see the "imperfections" under a microscope in the day to day. BUT bc of how authentic you are, I'm confidant in saying most of us want you to see what we see and that's an intelligent, beautifully brilliant, authentic, erergy-filled force that is to be reckoned with. And I hope and pray for the day I get to live in a world surrounded by women EXACTLY like you (and Kelly!!!!).

[@TheLeonDarko]

I'm just now starting this video but I've always loved Kelly, I'm a 34 year old gay dude and I grew up in a small town in West Virginia, I never became famous but I've always felt like Kelly would've been someone i'd be great friends with, something about her reminds me SO much of myself. In fact I worked with a girl who met Kelly at a show years ago, told me I reminded her of Kelly Clarkson, which was so random ... Same with Mayim.. I remember watching Blossom while hanging in the living room with my sister who is 5 years older who wanted to BE Blossom lol.

[@Jeremiah-xb2lh]

First time watching Mayim, wonderful podcast. Love her humanity, her transparency, her humor. Amazing person. So impressed. She's adorable.

[@spinergirlkristie]

This was awesome. Everyone needs more Kelly Clarkson attitude. :)

[@kyleerudd3424]

Kelly really is our American Idol! 🙌🙏❤️

[@ingridbeentjes9974]

Kelly ! So real you are. God bless you !

[@LESLEYMOSER]

Amen, sister!!! Be the change the industry....our daughters need!! Thank you, Kelly!!!

[@sallyyoung5920]

This is now my most favorite of your interviews. We should all aspire to be more like KC! Maybe if I hung out with her I’d learn to love myself more, too!!

[@karenswartz8280]

I love your interviews in general, and there have been some really good ones. But this one with Kelly Clarkson was by and far the very best. Her attitude and self acceptance is inspiring. And her honesty and down to earth nature are both relatable and refreshing. And I gotta say, Mayim, she challenged you on a few points, and I think she made you squirm a little! Maybe that was a good thing? And boy, does Jonathan get you! Keep up the great work. I learn so much with every video.

[@Fiawordweaver]

Her voice is incredible and makes me cry depending on the song and makes my heart smile depending o the song. She is the song no matter what she sings.

[@carolr7962]

Mayim the world needs you, just the way you are! You are amazing, beautiful, intelligent, and just awesome. You are loved because of who you are! God Bless you with the confidence that you are enough!

[@annmarieraos1371]

What a great episode!! Loved all 3 of you! Take Kelly's advice Mayim!!!

[@Randompotatoes-qs7bm]

I love Kelly clarkson. Her music is bomb and she’s always seemed so genuine.

[@staceyjohnson2929]

Hashimoto's here too! Hearing Kelly's symptoms makes me feel not so alone in this craziness. I'm in good company with both of you!

[@missb7934]

Kelly Clarkson, I watched your progress through the first year of American Idol. I saw how you were teamed with girls that weren't serious, so you went off on your own to practice. I've been a fan since those days, when we had to wait every week to see/experience the next show, and we had commercials!! LOL...I was rooting for you, the whole season! You are NOT lazy. You were staying in your car to pursue your dream, and your hard work and dedication earned your title of the Original American Idol. You are AMAZING!!! Thank you for always being true to yourself, never being ashamed of real life, speaking about it, and showing the world that honest integrity is powerful, beautiful, and magnanimous.

[@markboron5581]

I was obsessed with Meaning of Life and think it is the best work she has done yet.... but this next album, the breakup album if you will..... is gonna be amazing with all the feels!! Great interview

[@MollyBoBolly6252]

Omggg the thyroid conversation was REAL! My doctors kept telling me to change my birth control for YEARS and only tested my thyroid levels after half a decade 🙄

[@the1ladytammy]

Everyone is someone else's dream. And yes, you too Miss Mayim. Many people are working towards where you are. ❤️

[@jayssonblack3179]

You’re working towards being an antivaxer?

[@the1ladytammy]

@@jayssonblack3179 no. Try being less one dimensional. Most people are more than just one thought. 🙄

[@brunchmunchies]

Okaaay, can't WAIT for Kelly to release some of those songs 👌 she's so raw and real. A true story teller