MBTI Mistypes: What Type is Donald Trump? Not "ESTP"?

[@nkopanelesedilebona9227]

Nice to see more videos. Good way to get people interested in the system. Been waiting for something like this for a while that I could show people.

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thank you! We'll be making more for sure.

[@lukec9144]

Great analysis. Looking forward to more of these! :)

[@CognitiveTypology]

🙏more to come for sure!

[@Universal_Cymbol]

Cool. Looking forward to more guys. 🤗

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thank you!

[@rgearyiii]

Nice video 😲 and 🐅 ! Looking forward to more.

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thanks 🗿

[@notjudx]

Glad ur back to making more videos

[@CognitiveTypology]

🙏💪

[@HillyHonka]

I had actually guessed Donald Trump as an ENTJ before. I agree with you. He’s very driven and a relentless force who doesn’t flinch in the face of adversity. He stays his course and doesn’t seem to be affected by criticisms, as far as we see

[@AnyaAnnika67]

Yes this is very indicative of the Ni authority in Cognitive Personality Theory re staying the course. Great point.

[@SchmausiMausi]

Yes!!! I love this channel!

[@kylerivelli]

Great video!

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thanks, Kyle!

[@ogeo.8966]

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Direction then speed. Thank you CT, Juan E. Sandoval, for all that you do.

[@sierrarose6211]

This is great, guys! Very fun and informative! 🎉

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thanks, Sierra!

[@cschelko]

This is fantastic. I love watching this in action.

[@blankboy2137]

A TeNi that everyone calls ESTP? Well now you gotta do Kurt Cobain

[@CognitiveTypology]

That is one of our top options! ;)

[@MrRalteria]

This smells like a setup....

[@erikjasinski6491]

😮 I was all the time thinking he is ENTJ, never ever for 1 sec I was not thinking about other type as ENTJ or ESTJ(before vultology). I was not knowing that people think he is ESTP.

[@erikjasinski6491]

Cobain is SeTi

[@blankboy2137]

@@MrRalteria lol alright, how about Taylor Swift then?

[@hugogabriel2666]

Great video! Can you give a little spoiler about which celebrities you intend to typecast next? Hehe A video about Elon Musk would be very interesting, after all he is an IIII, so I would like to see the process of determining his dominance through psychological analysis.

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thank you! Musk is on our list as well since he's commonly mistyped as INTJ.

[@AnyaAnnika67]

Yes I think Musk is ISTP, at he got CPTs vote of confidence as an ISTP which I happen to agree with 😊

[@NoName-ki4nq]

@@CognitiveTypology agreed there is no way musk is an intj. He's hard to type for me. sometimes I think istp with his desire of truth, lack of emotional expressiveness etc. Other times I think possible ISTJ with good use of NE. Def a sensor anyways.

[@AnyaAnnika67]

I'm new to vultology but find this fascinating. I have a two year background in Cognitive Personality Theory & find your typings to be by far more accurate than the ubiquitous behavioural stereotypes often espoused by MBTI. I'd love to see you type Gillian Anderson: I think she's an ENFJ like myself but is often mistyped as an ENTJ or ENTP. My own Fe like hers is much more directive (most people misequate dominant Fe with the force ie it must be highly apparent when it rather imbues all the other functions with a prosocial utility). I'd love to see what you make of me as CPT typed me as a divergent TiNi ENFJ close to the ISTP end of the spectrum given how convergent my TiNi is. I think ENFJs & Fe doms in general can be quite difficult to spot owing to the fluidity of their Fe Ti axis (I'm often mistyped as a Ti dom). I'm wandering how this translates into vultology. Anyway, this was fantastic. How do I get typed or can I by CT? I'm always up for exploring alternative models.

[@CognitiveTypology]

We typed Gillian Anderson as FeSi I--I, which is really close to your guess! vultology.com/gillian-anderson/ Here's how you get typed in CT: vultology.com/product/vultology-report/ Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!

[@AnyaAnnika67]

@@CognitiveTypologythank you so much! Wow I'll have to look & this & your typing service; I'm extremely impressed!

[@_winston_2503]

How about ESFP?

[@PistisSophia.1]

Good job guys! I learned a lot from this. Is Calin an 8 in Enneagram?

[@sierrarose6211]

I believe he identifies as a core 8 with a 3 fix

[@CognitiveTypology]

Glad you found this useful, thanks for the comment! He is an 8, yes.

[@arnavdave2836]

Awesome. Definitely agreed.

[@notjudx]

Can u do Andrew tate

[@CognitiveTypology]

He's on our list!

[@생존유형학]

Healthy FeSi I-I- I think.

[@lebecccomputer287]

He unquestionably has Ti as his second function, i would guess ESTP though he acts ENTPish quite frequently

[@azraella7836]

Great video gentlemen. Great exibition of your vultologies too. This might serve as the basis for the next Quadratum podcast. I hope Im triggering *the algorithm* 😀

[@courtjester3216]

Stooge

[@rgearyiii]

@@courtjester3216 💩

[@rgearyiii]

​@@courtjester3216 💩

[@lenasandstrom4302]

I agree💯

[@NathanOliver-lv4pn]

Really interesting examination of the continuity between his vultology and psychology. I liked seeing a showcasing of Ni that is not solely esoteric or mystical, instead focusing on the tendency to generalise and stereotype more broadly. A comment stuck out to me, which is that he is Te lead rather than Se lead because he is concerned with 'building empires', in that he prioritises judgement through his regimented, assertive personality over Se's "ungovernable, devil-may-care" projection of strength. I don't disagree with this idea, but it would have been interesting to see a comparison between somebody like Trump and a Te developed SeFi - such as Martin Shkreli - to present how Trump's psychology is more firmly placed within Te as for it to be native, while also demonstrating a continuity within the quadrant, as these figures have points of comparison though their overall energy is different. Perhaps that would be getting into the weeds a bit too much for the video's purposes, though! Looking forward to seeing this series expand.

[@AnyaAnnika67]

Hi Nathan, I just wanted to say thank you for this thought provoking & insightful comment. As an ENFJ typed by CPT myself I do get sick of the MBTI ubiquitous stereotypes of Ni as this 'woo woo' mystical function when the fact is it's simply the broad perception of internally perceived reality. As you said there can be a tendency to overgeneralise; this is especially the case for the ENFJ who uses scaffolding techniques to synthesise their TiNi by bringing abstract constructs together. Luckily in CPT most ENFJs have a highly active SiTi (ISFJ) auxillary network to counteract this tendency by going into the particulars so to speak. Still if I'm not careful I can 'clunk' information together that shouldn't be associated. I think re Trump & his FiNi in CPT his tendency to generalise comes from his lack of cognitive fluidity (ok so I'm no Trump fan despite being English - so there's some inherent bias). I'd be interested to see a comparison with a much more cognitively fluid ENTJ. Indeed I know a few ENTJs who at least cognitively are quite different to Trump owing to this caveat. He seems to have a much more reflexive Fi compared to your 'average' ENTJ.

[@onemillionpercent]

also, that characterization of Se is sometimes absent from Se revisor women that i've noticed

[@WorldSocionics]

Our observations are mostly aligned, except where the differences in typology force different interpretations to make things fit. The real divergence is over this idea that assertiveness and dominance is somehow a 'Te' thing, rather than an 'Se' thing. Socionists would argue that this primal forcefulness belongs under a concrete but irrational zone of reality, rather than a rational zone of reality. People like Trump dominate, not due to statistical efficiencies, or optimised methodologies or any other kind of praxis, but due to real, raw physical presence and the instinctive ability to interrupt and establish ownership of the present space. Building and ruling an empire, that's Se+Ti. Impact on the material world, supported by formalised structures. Meanwhile, even though Trump talks about making America great again, which implies some kind of vision, he does not exercise caution or long-sightedness in any of his actions. He is tactical, not strategic. He acts quickly without considering the longer-term implications. He has a very good in-the-moment judgement, but he doesn't have confidence in setting out a plan over several years and knowing where it will go. Testament to this are the many bankruptcies. He's someone who jumps in and rolls with the knocks and the blows, and then comes back. He's not a careful planner. He is also very materialistic and forms opinions based on what immediately and physically appears to him. What you describe best suits Ni as valued, but weak. Unfortunately, once you set Te as the dominant function, Ni must either be valued and strong, or unvalued and weak. It forces an inaccurate placement of Ni. With a coherent definition of Se, we can then place Ni correctly.

[@AnyaAnnika67]

This can be resolved by CPT in positing him as a convergent ENTJ subtype whereby he leans into the convergent TeSe pairing as opposed to FiNi divergence. You might find Cognitive Personality Theory useful in this regard anyhow 😊. As an Ni authority type myself in CPT (I'm a divergent TiNi ENFJ) as a close cousin I can see him as an ENTJ albeit a not particularly cognitively fluid one. I think the self reflexive nature of his Fi is demonstrated in his very cynical Ni vision. Just my take anyhow!

[@WorldSocionics]

Typically, I find that systems which need to introduce a subtype system on top of their base system to explain these discrepancies are really trying to explain away the meaningful differences rather than identify the flaw in the foundational infrastructure. If you look at the world of Socionics, this is something that Gulenko's Model G approach also does a lot of. @@AnyaAnnika67

[@CognitiveTypology]

I see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't say his dominance stems from "real, raw physical presence." You could certainly say that about the numerous Se athletes we have on the database, but not about Trump. Dominance in a socio-political context, such as Trump's, doesn't rely on primal forcefulness and direct sensory engagement, but rather on the ability to influence, dictate, and control systems, structures, and public discourse. Trump's form of dominance comes through the strategic use of media, rhetoric, and executive power to shape policies, perceptions, and actions, aligning more with Te's tendency to prioritize external organization and efficiency toward achieving goals. The forcefulness attributed to Trump is expressed through his firm judgments, planned actions, assertive public speaking, and the imposition of his vision on the political landscape, which are characteristics of Je (and implicitly Te). This includes leveraging positions of power to effect change, enforce policies, and mobilize resources in line with his objectives. He isn't known for immersing himself in physical activities to intensely experience and impact reality (which is what we see in Se-leads). In essence, Trump's form of dominance and influence is emblematic of Te in action: it's about steering the ship from the bridge, using tools of communication, policy, and strategic planning to navigate and control, rather than rowing the boat through the waves through sheer physical force and immersion. This conceptual distinction is crucial for understanding the varied expressions of force, power, and influence across different types/personalities. Calin

[@WorldSocionics]

The theory behind Je being firm is very questionable. It doesn't make any sense the more one thinks about it. It's not possible given the broadening nature of extraversion. Ji should be firmer, because it is concentrated on judgement quality, rather than judgement quantity. With many judgements, you have to be situation-based, while with a few judgements you can be more protective and really hold on to the few important judgements that you have. Je should therefore be a very flexible approach to judgement, e.g. being pragmatic as opposed to being ideological, or being a charismatic social pedagogue as opposed to being dutiful and loyal to a few. The source of really firm points of view formed around a sense of absolute certainty is a phenomenon of Ti+Se, where people hold views because they want to project certainty and remove any and all ambiguity. Truth for them is a tool for maximised impact on their surroundings. Also, Se is not simply physical prowess, it's presence. That's a different thing, and keep in mind we're still talking about cognitive functions, not physical attributes. It's the ability to take in present-moment, surface data, to make quick, instinctive decisions, and act impactfully on the moment to seize advantages and combat threats in the immediate environment. Trump's not a bodybuilder or strongman, but he is tactically brilliant, NOT strategically brilliant. Keep in mind also that Ti is about internally coherent structures, that don't need to be empirically tested or applied pragmatically. When bonded with Ne, it is very theoretical and open, but when bonded with Se it is about constructing truth perception with certainty and solidity. Ti+Ne explores theoretical frameworks, Ti+Se sets narratives, and lays down the law. ESTPs (Se+Ti) like Trump, Napoleon, Idi Yamin, Lenin, etc. manipulate structures, systems and narratives to shore up their power and influence. This is also the case for ISTJs (Ti+Se) like Stalin, Putin, Salazar, who are very very stubborn, absolute and unchanging in their ideology and are quite forceful with this. With Te types, you don't see this. They are pragmatic, build opinions from accumulated expertise, and don't craft narratives to shape perception of truth, but rather report the various facts in their quantity and complexity, making them highly knowledge-driven and informative, and non-ideological. They typically succeed in business and commerce, but also the sciences, not because they have strong opinions, but rather because they stay updated on new facts, and empirically test their views to see what works best. What we see with Trump is Se+Ti, where Se is the prime motivation, and then Ti is supporting with a control of structures and systems to facilitate his primal dominating need. There is also Te in the background (which is entirely normal for ExTPs), giving him confidence in factual knowledge and how to make things work, but this is not the valued motivator and he is much more preoccupied with status and being the boss then he is in doing things for the sake of efficiency. Trump's ability to dominate in his primaries the first time he became the Republican nominee had little to do with systems, and everything to do with his ability to jump in with answers, speak over people, while claiming they are speaking over him, and in general having complete confidence in his ability to decide what was being talked about at whichever point. He takes ownership, and he does use his physical presence to achieve this as well, with multiple videos showing his use of domineering handshakes with other political leaders and subordinates, how he positions himself behind debate opponents and other physical tactics. In general, he is not motivated by efficiency, which is to do with how well you do things, and how things ought to be done better, but by the size of impact he is making, as well as weighing up the whichever threats and opportunities are available to him in the immediate environment. Supporting his ability to dominate in these immediate-moment environments is his command of structures, wherein he will form narratives to shape perception of truth. He is very shallow and materialistic of people, frequently focusing on physical characteristics when insulting people, but will also repeat and reiterate certain qualities again and again to shape a belief around that person, e.g. 'slow Jeb', 'lying Ted', etc. He uses repetition a LOT, not because it's efficient, it's less efficient speech, but it is about setting and reinforcing narrative structures in people's understanding. @@CognitiveTypology

[@badejo]

I agree with your take on Se being the modus operandus here rather than Te. And your disagreement on that front with @CognitiveTypology is that core faultline between your conception of Se as the seat of presence/volition force and their conception of Te as occupying much of that space. I happen to align more with WSS on that. If their view of Se aligned with yours, then I would imagine they'd conclude that Trump's type is actually not TeNi, nor SeTi, but actually SeFi. So their core thesis continues to be compelling more me, in that they do still get the big picture right i my view, since they peg him as a gamma type. And I would expect them to be usually correct whenever Se and Te are not split in a type​ (alphas and gammas). The interesting thing though is that just as @cognitivetype run into trouble with Se vs Te, I think WSS has its own troubles when it comes to Te vs Ti. Having perceptively observed that Trump is by nature highly transactional and tactical, I find it hard to fathom where you're seeing Ti in him. But I believe it comes from the inherent circularity of an explicit 8-function model (though in fairness WSS suffers from this rather less than the broader Socionics community). A good shorthand that I find useful to accurately separate them is to describe Te as being about logistical order (hence roughly aligning with business, corporate/admin etc) and Ti as being about logical order (hence theoretical frameworks of understanding, valuing logical coherence over practical results, etc). Effect vs reason, practical impact vs coherence. I would say Trump being Te over Ti is every bit as obvious as him being Se over Si. @WorldSocionics

[@igormendonca4026]

can you do a delta nerd often mistyped as an INTP, like Albert Einstein?

[@Whitespike77]

How would a FeNi |||| emulate Te and Ne? Combining what functions?

[@NoOne-wt6om]

Fe+Ti=Te & Ni+Se=Ne? I don't agree with that part though. How can you know if a person is really TeNe or just a FeNi IIII?

[@WelcomeToTheSocion]

I really enjoyed this and respect the analysis. Defo makes me want to get typed by you folks. But I still see him as SLE (Estp) with strong 4D Te cycling into 1D Ni (LIE Socionics benefit ring). His assertiveness and pragmatism are of equal measure imo and clearly both are obvious to notice. MBTI does not recognise this however socionics can explain this with Se/Te being strong 4D slots in SLE (estp). he clearly values Ti more than Te, his te is merely for utility to support his Se ambitions, Te backs up his arguments and celebrates his self proclaimed credibility. However at the end of the day, he is an Se “brand”, bold as hell. He is more impulsive than ordered and he clearly enjoys spontaneous and stimulating environments, he goes completely off script and makes connections with the crowd or reporters, mocking them or elevating them if need be. Off script, trump is obviously is risky waters and it can get him a lot of attention. Ultimately he neglects pragmatism and favours authentic emotional signalling in these environments. He lives in the moment. His Fe is much more noticeable than his fi and his Se much more noticeable than his Ni. Ni is valuable to him but as he says himself he is concerned and paying attention to the “present moment” to some how navigate his success. this is all strong sensory. He also does not seem to ever “burnout” which is SLE because they have ability to regulate Si while maintaining Se assertiveness “Make America (Se/Ti) great again (Fe/Ni)”.

[@AnyaAnnika67]

It might be worth noting that in Cognitive Personality Theory ENTJs can have a highly active ESTP auxillary network & vice versa. I highly recommend checking out CPT anyhow. I think it can explain why his vultology might be expressive of both albeit leaning more towards one type than another as all the other functions are imbued with the dominant network. I'm typed by CPT myself as a divergent TiNi ENFJ close to the ISTP end of the spectrum with a highly active INTJ & INFP subnetwork(s)

[@_o_hola6783]

I agree with you totally. Trump shows strong Te and Se. I have the idea that this guy's of vultology define Se types as almost monkeys with no vision.

[@ajobimlover]

Agree his Fe is much stronger than his Fi. He does seem more comfortable riffing than an ENTJ would as well....

[@dxfifa]

Anyone who thinks Donald Trump is not a blatant Te/Fi user needs to stop typing until they understand functions

[@BekiTMBTI]

This is an excellent video! You both did an amazing job describing & expounding on how and why Trump is an ENTJ. I never ever thought he was anything other than an ENTJ. It seems like most FI users share a bluntness in their tone. He has that bluntness & speaks his mind. Fe users on the contrary have the tendency to soften their bluntness. Fe can be an iron fist inside a glove wheras fi can be like a ballpeen hammer.

[@koalakultofficial]

In my personal opinion Fe users are actually far more aggressive then Te/Fi which might sound contradictory to the Warm Vultology but if you really look at samples like FeSi Andrew Tate and FeNi Muhammed Ali (not sure if they are currently in the database but their types are almost certain) it’s apparent that Fe users are much more inclined to aggression then Te which probably stems from the fact that Fe has an animacy aspect to it from F. Edit: Also many on the Fe/Ti axis tend to value stoicism and have a tough/bad boy image which also has its own motif in the CT database. Directive Fe also can have very sharp movements just more coordinated I think Fe in CT is a mix of Te, Ne and Se in MBTI

[@NoOne-wt6om]

​@@koalakultofficial I heard that the archetype of enneagram 8 in CT is FeNi. Is it true?

[@koalakultofficial]

@@NoOne-wt6om i would say all Je types but leaning mostly Fe, there are also a fair amount of Se and Ni leads with E8. I personally think E8 is a bit overtyped but i personally see it as most fitting for Je and Se/Ni axis

[@koalakultofficial]

@@NoOne-wt6om But i just wanna say it’s important to not mix MBTI and CT since those are entirely seperate systems (just like Socionics and MBTI are very Different) Donald Trump could also be ENTJ in MBTI surely, but a big portion of Te types in CT would easily qualify as ENXP in MBTI or any other type

[@bukilus]

Will Ne Se video come soon?

[@Y77-7]

I’m a huge fan of your work. Your method of typing is the most consistent and reliable that I’ve seen. I really wanna get typed by you, but I’m not comfortable uploading my videos on KZbin for privacy reasons. Can I send you my videos perhaps in another format? I’d greatly appreciate it!

[@CognitiveTypology]

Thanks for your appreciation! Yes, you can upload your videos on other platforms, too (such as google drive or something you're more comfortable with)

[@droubidoo4929]

Good Video!!!

[@NoOne-wt6om]

Yess Trump is ENTJ, finally... It's a shame that people made him SeTi icon.

[@NoName-ki4nq]

do Melania now please :) maybe INFJ? and Diddy, another ENTJ? or INTJ?

[@Whitespike77]

Please type Steve Jobs! Very controversial typing ;)

[@CognitiveTypology]

Great suggestion!

[@koalakultofficial]

I think he is still FeNi in the database

[@Whitespike77]

@@koalakultofficial he is :)

[@NoName-ki4nq]

obvious entj yes

[@belzubb]

2 Argentines spoted in the vid 🧙‍♂🧙‍♂🧙‍♂🧙‍♂

[@ajobimlover]

Fascinating. It seems to me then that he is a "jumper" type (OP typing seems to get this concept right) that values Se more than Ni, making his Ni subservient to Se "mini-goals."

[@kh5alil91]

What type is Sam Harris?

[@breezybhris4223]

they type him TiSe with se and Ni integrated or something

[@kh5alil91]

@@breezybhris4223 thank you. Can you share their database please?

[@CognitiveTypology]

TiSe I-II (meaning his Ti, Ni, and Fe are all conscious/integrated). You can access our database here: vultology.com/database/

[@koalakultofficial]

MBTI is worlds apart from CT lol, kinda misleading title

[@AnnonymousPrime-ks4uf]

He's a EIE and Elon is a LIE. He's not a LIE.

[@adamkravarik7876]

?Adam Sandler?

[@idabernstein]

He didn’t build an empire from nothing. Achievement can be indicative of personality type, but less so if those achievements are a consequence of unfair advantages and privilege. Furthermore, he has embellished many of his accomplishments. Trump university was a failure. The Trump Taj Mahal was a failure. Apprentice producer Mark Burnett has repeatedly stated that the show falsely portrayed Trump as a respectable business titan, when in reality he had many struggles, including multiple bankruptcy filings. I don’t think calling him a successful CEO is misleading.

[@ogeo.8966]

Is Calin NeTi?

[@swaish4753]

What type is Calin?

[@sierrarose6211]

He's an SeTi in our system. III-

[@swaish4753]

@@sierrarose6211 Thanks. SeTi was actually my guess

[@CognitiveTypology]

Most likely SeTi III-, as Sierra said, with particularly strong Je (alternatively, FeNi). He was typed a long time ago and never bothered to get an official reconfirmation after we've made changes to our methodology 😆

[@cschelko]

The good-lookin type. 😂

[@sierrarose6211]

@cschelko always the jester 🃏

[@bukilus]

I think that's a shortcoming typing. Referencing his political rhetorics (even "nobody knows more than me", obviosuly turned into a joke) -which are could be written by anybody to make him say it-. I don't buy it.

[@CognitiveTypology]

Hi there. It could be a joke, although I don't think it is, since the tendency to speak like this spans across various contexts, scripted and unscripted. However, your point about not just using political rhetoric is well taken. To address that, in the video description I've also provided a more detailed breakdown of many more quotes by him in different contexts, to show how his TeNi type comes through in these also. But for the sake of keeping things brief (I wanted to keep the video under 15 minutes), I decided on these video clips because it helps bring home the point. If I had a few hours to work with, I could show his TeNi cognition in many more ways too!

[@_o_hola6783]

The fact that Trump is always talking about groups of people like if they fit into a stereotype and generalizing is not necessarily TeNi. In socionics that's an "aristocratic" way of thinking against the "democratic" way of thinking of NT and SF types. Meanwhile, ST types and NF types tend to aristocratic ideas instead of focusing in the individuality of each person, and I've seen both NeFi and NiFe, SiTe, TeSi, etc types thinking in an aristocratic fashion about people. I'm not buying that much of your conclusions in this case, honestly.

[@_o_hola6783]

You also say Trump is paranoid. Are NiTe or TeNi types paranoid? As far as I've understand, types with low Ni can be paranoid and at the end their fears never happen, they just get anxious just for nothing. I'm not agreeing with your concepts.

[@_o_hola6783]

The idea I've built about TeNi types is highly different from Trump. I've only new 1 TeNi type in my life and he's extremely charismatic, dark, knowledgeable, inspires others to show off their potential and many other qualities that are consistent in socionics. I'm a NiTe type and I was able to recognize the "mirror" effect between he's thinking and mine, we were almost the very same person but me an introvert and he, an extrovert. Very articulated person, brutally honest and blunt at giving his opinion and analysis with an unbelievable creativity, intelligence, cunningness and obsession for leading and being at the top of everything which Trump is as well but in a very different style and static fashion, not in a highly dynamic rhythm. I remember that at the beginning I had problems distinguishing who were the real TeNi against that guy and an SeTi woman who was more like Trump. TeNi types in socionic's model A has strong Ne as well, which is in part what makes TeNis incredibly charismatic, inspiring and discoverer of talents and future trends that at the end actually happen. All of that without even trying. Trump seems to be a very SeTi or TeSi type in my opinion, and with too slow energy and speech to be a TeNi. SeTi and TeSi types are also prone to excellence, hard work and to be highly visionary and more authoritarian because of the Se force which both have in abundance. The Se of an TeSi is stronger than the Se of an TeNi that tends to heavily more nerdy because of the strong Ne even if it's unvalued. I expected better arguments about Trump's type but I'm disappointed, honestly. I think we are looking at the same aspects and concepts and assigning to them different names, and I don't think you, the vultologists are necessarily right, you can be making hugh mistakes in yoir definitions, looking at each type insolated from the others and almost defining every Se lead type as uneducated apes incapable of doing what Trump has done.

[@생존유형학]

​@@_o_hola6783where is Je

[@jaredvaughan1665]

Socionics Model G shows SeTi types progress by using Te, Ni, Ti, Ne to appear more like their TeNi Benefactor in public and TiNe Supervisee in private. Which is why I see SeTi for Trump. TeNi is my second choice

[@notjudx]

First

[@_o_hola6783]

Ni is not conspiracy. Low Ni is conspiracy.

[@생존유형학]

No. Not at all.

[@brocklytodd5317]

ISTJ!

[@sierrarose6211]

how so?

[@brocklytodd5317]

@@sierrarose6211 Honestly he just reminds me of an ISTJ I know. Sometimes you can type people by their face.

[@remnants9974]

@@brocklytodd5317 assuming you typed the person you know correctly in the first place, or are interpreting the patterns you perceive correctly

[@mediation7997]

Mr. Beast would be great, seen as ENTJ by most people while being SeFi