McKee’s N-914 vs ONR Review & Comparison

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Welcome to Detail Projects! In this video we will be comparing two high end rinseless washes and put them to the test and see how they perform! Enjoy the video and thanks for watching!
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[@TheGorgeousMel]

I love how thorough you are on review of products and I love that you show the many different surfaces products can be used on, I also appreciate the dilution ratios that you speak to and the difference in pricing! You are one of my favourite to watch car product reviews!!! Excellent job!!!

[@GravityIsYourFriend]

I have to agree here. For me, it's the slow pace and the fact that you show the labels so we can pause and read them for ourselves. That is important to me personally so thank you for that.

[@dannycnoble]

Great video. I saw where Pan said his new favorite rinseless wash was McKee’s N-914. So glad to see a non biased side by side review. I am out of ONR so i may give McKee’s N-914 a try.

[@Nightbird.]

@Detail Projects *New to this channel and I must say you are definitely among the top reviewers on KZbin with your no-nonsense and no-bs approach. Keep up the great work my friend!* 😉👍

[@mattheviewer]

Helpful info - thanks! Might be worthwhile to do a retest as Optimum has reformulated their ONR (both their general, and their "Pro" ceramic version).

[@weaverdetails4747]

N914 for the win! It’s the most used product in my garage

[@ddautodetailing]

Thanks for sharing! I've been seeing good reviews on the N914.

[@DetailProjects]

Thanks me too so I decided to pick up a bottle and check it out for myself to see what’s it all about!

[@HEMi1995]

@1:40 ONR leaves gloss polymers behind. McKees is a pure cleaner, leaving nothing afterwards

[@Nightbird.]

Thanks for this info! I'm looking for a waterless cleaner to use on my MB before using Lithium products for shine..and I don't want any polymers left behind that could interfere with the Lithium product bonding to my paint finish. I really appreciate you knowledgeable guys here! 😉👍

[@jahhaitian]

great video both great products but i feel Mckees is definitely slicker when wiping down ONR does leave polymer behind where N914 doesn't

[@ROMEKBNY]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[@ABG2412]

@@ROMEKBNY It's good for the next clean (theoretically increased protection), it's (potentially - but how much it affects is debatable) less good if you are applying right before last stage protection (your wax/ceramic/whatever choose) is to be applied.

[@carvalhonj]

Very useful video, it was all I needed to understand how it works and in what application I could use mckee 914. Thanks! Good jog👏🏼

[@kristofferpence]

I’ve gone through multiple gallons of both. Keep going back to ONR, especially the new formula. Mckees goes rancid in my bucket and makes my sponge stink as well, never had the issue with ONR

[@DetailProjects]

Good to know and thanks for sharing this, I was about to leave my UBS in the bucket with the N-914 like I usually do with ONR

[@kristofferpence]

@@DetailProjects Yeah, I have to wash out my sponge with disinfectant or a citrus-based degreaser. It’s pretty nasty, just got a fresh gallon of the new formula of Onr wash and wax. Curious to try the new formula this one, and concentrate is even thicker and way slicker

[@codyfrancis4474]

I pour out my 914 every wash. You actually store it and keep washing with it??

[@kristofferpence]

@@codyfrancis4474 if it’s a lightly soiled car, the dirt falls under the grit guard when you leave it. I went back to ONR, no issues with moldy smell either

[@codyfrancis4474]

@@kristofferpence I never would try and save that water no matter what even if I was using onr. To each their own

[@1881Gordon]

I'm really impressed with this video. Great upload. Thank you!

[@mikeg338]

Good video, but I gotta say, DO NOT USE ANYTHING EXCEPT DISTILLED WATER IN YOUR STEAMER!!!! Yes, I've used n914 in an extractor.. but that's a completely different system than a steamer. Steamers get to boiling or above boiling temps which will cause these products to create gasses and vapors that are not only dangerous to inhale, but are explosive. ONR contains some particularly nasty compounds and I wouldn't use it without gloves. I know I know you use it all the time and feel fine, right? Just because you feel fine doesn't mean the chemicals aren't causing, or going to cause, damage to your body in the long term.. especially if you are a professional that uses the products often. Read the SDS sheets for any product you use, they are created and made public for a reason. Any dangerous, or possibly harmful, chemicals will be listed on them with the ways they are harmful.. like skin contact, inhalation, ingesting, etc. Anyway, back to to the steamer.. steamers, especially retail non-commercial steamers like the McCulloch that this guy is using.. are designed to only be used with water, distilled water. You are damaging the tank, the sensors, the hoses, and the valves when you use any chemicals. Trust me, you will see better performance by spraying the surface with a chemical, letting it dwell, then going over with a steamer than you would by adding it to the steamer. You're also saving yourself from at worst severe water burns, fire burns, electrocution, Nervous system issues, brain and lung diseases or at the very least a broken steamer, by not adding chemicals to your steamer. Just don't. Don't do it. ONR has already made a statement about this, they don't recommend it, and the Optima steamer manufacturer that people were using it in also made a statement that ONR should not be used ever.

[@JP-ro2yi]

Dang better tell Yvan Lacroix. He teaches that you can steam with ONR. He advises against using anything but water in the black tornador though. From my experience ONR does dry out my hands like any other cleaner but not near as bad and probably one of the least dangerous chemicals you can use. Only warning on the bottle is eye irritation so i think we'll be ok.

[@mikeg338]

@@JP-ro2yi some commercial steamers have a tank for detergents and chems, but streamers like McCulloch, Optima, Bissell, etc. It is very dangerous, if you do a search for optima steamer and optimum no rinse you'll likely find the message board forum where employees of both strongly recommended not to do it, and why. As for the label... Labels for any product should be taken with a grain of salt, search or request SDS sheets for real info on hazards. For the average consumer, you're probably right, but consistent use of toxic chemicals compounds their dangers. Also, labels don't always create the whole picture. ONR Contains D-Limoline, Propan-2-ol, Pentyl Acetate, and Morpholine which are all flammable, all of the above including Oliec Acid, Benzaldehyde, Aldehyde, and especially Morpholine and Propan-2-ol, are not only skin and eye irritants but also Acutely Toxic which means a single exposure can have adverse effects on health. Morpholine and Propan-2-ol are extremely toxic and cause organ damage.... Not things I want breaking down in a steamer, breathing in, or getting in your eyes. Many of the detailing chemicals we use we don't think are very dangerous, some are, even more so when they are "old school" or produced outside the US. The new tech products with metal oxides like Tio2/Titanium Dioxide, Graphene Oxide, and Sio2/silica and organo-silicones, unrelated to the steamer, but to make a point on dangers...are very very bad when sprayed as mists. The pure, semi-permenant, applicator applied types not so much, besides irritants that might carry the silica... The mists though.. turtle wax ceramic spray, griots 3 in 1 ceramic, the last coat, Mother's CMX, etc... Ever used one without a mask? Notice how if you breath it in, you can literally smell it after using it for almost a day later? It's because once it's in your nose and especially lungs, it doesn't leave easily. Sio2 and Organo-silicones like Polydimethylsiloxane can cause Silicosis, a very dangerous form of pnumonia that will most likely kill you if you get it, regardless of treatment. The Tio2 and Graphene are no better. They're not made out to be dangerous, they're made out to be awesome.. and they are! But proper PPE and use are important. For the every day consumer doing their vehicles once a month or so... Gloves and a simple but thick mask at the very least, for professionals, gloves and a respirator like a 3M painters mask or any mask that blocks organic vapors should be used, at the least.. one that blocks oily particles preferably. Detailing cars is a nasty job from the chemicals, to the actual grease, dirt, dander, bacteria, and God knows what else. I've caught MRSA from a customers car and required surgery after scraping myself in the car... So if you don't wear the gloves and mask for one reason... Wear them for one of the many others

[@JP-ro2yi]

@@mikeg338 i knew graphene is supposed to be like super dangerous and probably won't ever use products that have it but i didn't know about the sio2 being dangerous. Thanks for all the advice man.

[@mikeg338]

@@JP-ro2yi No problem. They're only dangerous if you don't use proper PPE. Yes, Graphene can be dangerous in any form, probably more so in the fiber boards they use for air crafts, boats, car parts, tools, and other items due to the epoxy in it. In any form it's only dangerous when inhaled though. I used to work for a well known aircraft manufacturer, building military helicopters made from said graphene fiber boards. Cancer was common among the people who drilled it to build them... and the fabricators that formed and created the parts with it were even more worse off, not a single one could smell for shit, many had bad lungs, from being around the raw epoxy and loose fibers and forming them under high heat and vacuum systems. The Graphene Oxide in the ceramics for cars isn't as dangerous, but it's still dangerous.. the Tio2, Sio2, and poly- siloxane vapors are probably more dangerous. With a proper mask tho, none of it will harm you.

[@JP-ro2yi]

@@mikeg338 Yeah my main job is being a lab technician at a small rural hospital in oklahoma and the masks we get are from China and I'm always skeptical about them lol. They usually smell like what i think is hard working chinese men who are making them which is kinda weird lol.

[@chipdr911]

Awesome product comparison. I have been an ONR fan for too many years to make a change, plus the other ONR products that compliment each other are another reason for me not to make a change.

[@ryeguy01]

ONR's formula was revamped in early 2021. One of the changes was increased lubricity. There's a chance you still had the old formula and the slickness might not be so different between the 2 anymore.

[@ABG2412]

Additionally, the perceived "slickness" does not necessarily equate to the actual protective "lubricity" where with ONR, polymer encapsulated protection is what protects against scratching (this does not necessarily "feel" tremendously like lubrication to the hands). The language used with these products has done a disservice to the science behind them, but helps connect with the marketing teams' abilities to strike a chord with consumers.

[@blahz7152]

​@@ABG2412 ONR is the king of marketing. The amount of delusional ONR fanboys like you is proof.

[@ABG2412]

​@@blahz7152 I really wish people would choose kindness and dignity -toward each other over nastiness. Blahz, I have a gallon of N-914 in the garage. I absolutely love the stuff and think it is fantastic. Nothing I said is false or merits nastiness. I honestly do not know which product is superior in regard to *real* protection. Do you have established information that could potentially explain why what I said is a moot point? If you do, I am genuinely interested and open to reading it. I use both products and frankly have a hard time sometimes choosing. I've seen a photo series wherein a number of these products were mixed in jars and then dirt introduced. They were shaken and the ONR + Griot's were the only ones wherein the dirt went to the bottom rapidly. All the others kept the particles in suspension for an extended time. This ability to cause particles to drop and stay at the bottom of the bucket is one of the properties that Yvan has repeatedly promoted as *highly desirable* and a sort of defining/superior quality of a rinseless wash. On the other hand, I absolutely love that the N-914 cleans better and does not leave anything behind. Surfactant (N-914) vs. polymer (ONR) - I honestly don't know which I trust more for *protection*. I would love to say goodbye to one and be able to just use the other. I do not generally have loyalty to a company that I PAID for a product. If anything, they should be loyal to their customers. Regardless, and far more important to me at least: Feelings over products made by companies that WE paid, do not and should not ever warrant living, civilized, evolved beings treating other living beings with even a hint of uncivilized nastiness. There is more than enough "nasty" out there over things much more serious than consumer goods. Please aim for kindness brother. I believe you and I and a whole lot of others can be better. Take care.

[@Nightbird.]

@@ABG2412 I'm really impressed by your civil attitude and neutrality when dealing with negativity. It reminds me of something HH The Dalai Lama said when asked what his religion was: "My religion is kindness." America is so divided right now..with a literal war between good an evil..so it's nice to see someone who remembers what is important in life..and it sure isn't a rinseless car wash. 🙄 I'm a total newbie when it comes to rinseless car washes..so I hope you can share some of your knowledge with me. I'm only looking at rinseless car washes because I live in the deep south of the USA where currently temps are in the 100+ degrees with 100% humidity..so my foam cannon car washes are out of the question if I don't want to suffer heat stroke. I have a black Mercedes Benz GLS550..and the black color is unforgiving to even the slightest amount of dust and dirt. I plan on purchasing Lithium Ignite After Wash and Lithium Color Crush to apply to the exterior based on KZbin videos showing how these products easily give you the most shine possible with the least work and also repel dust and dirt. But I need a waterless cleaner right now so I can clean my car in my garage and avoid the heat outside. Do you think the N-194 would be a better match for me since it apparently doesn't leave any polymers behind like the ONR product does and therefore shouldn't interfere with the bonding from the Lithium products? Thanks for any advice! 😉👍

[@ABG2412]

@@Nightbird. Wow. That actually means a great deal to me and impacted me more than I would have previously believed. I would love to think that people are increasingly choosing civility, kindness, goodness over the other since "the other" does not age well and it tends to get old almost instantly. Sincerely, thank you so much. On to your question: What a beautiful vehicle! That is certainly worth caring for. To be totally honest, I cannot say with total confidence (nor I suspect could most of the representatives at any of these companies) regarding the chemistry conflicts/cooperation when mixing/matching products from different companies let alone different lines of products. Both Lithium products you named depend heavily on polymers to do the job. Since ONR does as well, and leaves some behind, if it were me choosing, I would not want any potential interference between the products (esp. on the first application) so I would absolutely lean toward the N-914. You do not need the After Wash product to prevent scratching when you wash with a top line rinseless wash, BUT leaving the polymer/SiO2 protection from the Lithium is certainly something that neither ONR or N-914 are going to do in a meaningful protective way. So again, yes, for the reasons you stated, I would use the N-914. Also - thank you again.

[@moneyparhar]

Try wolfgang Uber rinseless wash. Very hydrophobic than ONR.

[@decker0373]

Thanks for thisnl thorough review, very helpful.

[@coolacadien]

Can I spray one or the other product on the paint and right after washing the paint surface with my bucket of soap and water and then rise everything

[@Ruhdiculus]

Try the new onr formula; much more slick than the original

[@VIDEOHEREBOB]

Excellent review. Great picture quality. May I ask what camera you used for this shoot?

[@DetailProjects]

Thanks! This was all shot on the iPhone XS Max

[@J1Z06]

Now we have DIY and Absolute to add to the mix :)

[@om3973]

People say caint be to wet what can it hurt if you have extra on it even if its soaking

[@ShelterDogs]

Thank you for the comparision. The conclusion I was able to decipher here is that McKee's is "more slick" and "smells better." In the end, I'm not sure either matters. I don't go around smelling my car. Maybe on the inside if the smell stays around for a week, then it would matter. What confuses me is that Yvan Lacroix himself has stated McKee's has improved upon Optimum.

[@dannycnoble]

Mike, inside of my jeep smells like Pine Sol. Lol. I do the heavy cleaning with Pine Sol and distilled water. Then i use the onr to "rinse". But the Pine Sol scent is the dominant scent. When that fades (usally after 2 days) then i add my car scent of choice.

[@richardl7759]

Whats the water behavior like after washing with both products. Onr kinda beads, but McKees?

[@jayhoughton558]

It looks like you were testing the old formula of ONR (unless you just refilled an old bottle from a new gallon). They improved their formula earlier in the year. The new ONR is a bit slicker then the old formula among other things which may be relevant as you said N-914 was slicker.

[@DetailProjects]

You are correct, this is the old ONR formula I will be trying out their new formula though!

[@rheijne95]

Great observation! In that case, you REALLY should! New formula is an incredible improvement over the old formula. If you can, try new and old formula side by side.

[@chrisgorgol9442]

New formula is more of a wash and wax, so it needs a panel wipe

[@jayhoughton558]

@@chrisgorgol9442 no it isn’t. They came with a new formula of the blue ONR (regular one) like a year ago. And several months ago did a new formula of the green (wash and wax). Two different products.

[@chrisgorgol9442]

It has about twice the amount of polymers and even says on the label leaves behind more protection and shine. Will require panel wipe before polish or ceramic

[@devonrose888]

The McKees says 1:8 for paint prep. Like an oil and wax remover before a coating or sealant?

[@DetailProjects]

It mainly cleans the panel from polish residue but I don’t think it’s strong enough to remove waxes.

[@eliashdez]

Is more when like you are polishing and want to remove the residues of the polisher. But I do not think it actually remove coatings or sealants. Maybe waxes.

[@kenjeeper8421]

Onr doesn’t list a WW dilution but its on various sites including Opti’s at 16:1 (which is crazy IMO)

[@DetailProjects]

I was under the impression that their waterless was dilution ratio was 128:1 off label. I also read online that their detail spray dilution ratio was 1:16 but when I tried it it was really streaky.

[@gtb2710]

Fantastic review and Video !!!!

[@slowvag8v]

I love ONR

[@bmwlane8834]

I thought you were supposed to pre spray for rinse less?

[@Jeeper1378]

Here we go

[@stephen1503]

I’ve tried posting this comment 3 times hopefully it works this time. I found a safety data sheet for N-914 and it is NOT pH neutral. It’s 8-8.5. Not a huge deal but needs to be neutralized in an interior.

[@DetailProjects]

Interesting, thanks for sharing I was looking for the SDS myself with no luck, the only information I found was on autogeek forums where someone tested the product with strips and had a reading of 7.5 on the pH.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

Good to me. Mean have more cleaning ability. I want the surface clean without any residues or polymers. Clean slate for being polished or clean an existing coating

[@JP-ro2yi]

8-8.5 isn't very high. My tap water is 8. Once its mixed with some distilled water it will be very close to 7.

[@blahz7152]

It's a highly concentrated product, idiot.

[@amounifnd]

Yes but is that straight out of bottle or at nominal dilution rate ?

[@yfesthetiqueauto8533]

Merci pour les tests 👍🇨🇦Québec …….tank you for thé test 🎄👍

[@sportscarnut]

It seems you were not using the new ONR formula.

[@BeyondLumination]

Great video! One suggestion though is to stop saying, "ummm" so much.

[@dirtydigginnuts1455]

That's the one I use (Mckees 37 N -914 ) awesome rinseless wash.. Buy it by the gallon.. 😂

[@adissa8934]

Was ONR winner/the bedst ???????

[@DetailProjects]

There is no clear winner, it comes down to personal preference.

[@benjisimms8907]

Where did you get the label for the IK spray bottle?!?

[@DetailProjects]

I got them from Lex Garage, you can find him on Instagram or his website,I also have a video on my channel reviewing them, if your interested check it out!

[@jpmcfrosty]

Yea this guys using the older formula most notable due to the fact the gold star is missing, he’s comparing apples to oranges here

[@Audittr2108]

No competition here in the UK and McKees isn’t available.

[@johnhomebrew9920]

Great vid man but shit…Bet when you pee the seat is wet lol.

[@danlc95]

😆

[@jasonrust1]

Wrong dilution for N914… it’s 1 capful per gallon

[@DetailProjects]

The N914 cap only holds 7.5 ml of liquid where the ONR actually holds 15 ml therefore you need to double the amount of N914 to get the standard diluted ratio.

[@jasonrust1]

@@DetailProjects Watch McKees video Nick the owner clearly state the cap is half an ounce. And its one capful per gallon for rinseless washing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6awdaZ6jqeeors the ratio you are using is for waterless washing not rinseless

[@jayhoughton558]

@@jasonrust1 it’s pretty clear the N914 cap is smaller than the ONR cap. Both are listed at 256:1 on the sales page.

[@jayhoughton558]

On this website it actually says the cap is 1/3 oz. I don’t have one to measure to verify though. www.obsessedgarage.com/products/mckees-37-n-914-rinseless-wash

[@jasonrust1]

@@jayhoughton558 Nick who owns the company and Ivan Lacroix both state a capful is 1/2 ounce. All videos made by them which are the guys that made the product state 1 capful per gallon. Obsessed garage didn’t make the product I’m going on the info from the guys that made and package the product.