MCU Multiverse Q&A: Spider-Verse connections and more

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@rickee9909]

whats up with everyone hyping up a Deadpool trailer that never happened

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@rickee9909 Not sure on that...I agree with you, the trailer won't arrive until the superbowl.

[@rickee9909]

the superdowl was yesterday and no trailer just a bunch of people reposting old videos from the last 3 months or reworking an old video from the last 3 months where they said it would drop a few people reposted the fake trailer @@AbitofEverything4U

[@rickee9909]

SADLY my ass on 7 grams of magic mushrooms found the fake trailers kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6TNhZeGaLONj8U and yeah i was blown away and thought it was legit for 2-3 hours after searching for someone to do a break down was so disappointed when i learned everyone one was weong REALLY hope we get the trailer soon tho @@AbitofEverything4U

[@srstriker6420]

@@AbitofEverything4Uabout this Canon thing that Miguel says does it include that everyone that is a friend of a spider person is going to become a villain?

[@AliexelTrejo-lq6zq]

I think that the reason that incursions look different in live action and animated is that sinister strange used magic but Miguel used tech. Thats the only reason i can come up with

[@jcalinisan74]

That's exactly the reason I thought of as well when I got to that part of the video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think that's a very good answer. Alot of the seeming discrepancies can be solved by the fact that one used magic and the other used tech. Nice call!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@jcalinisan74 Agreed...that's an excellent theory!

[@seanharvey5336]

The spider-verse mega-verse observation is fire.🔥

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that was fascinating to me...love that Miguel said it that way!

[@TheSonicBros1]

It's worth noting that all of the different characters in spider-verse keep their original art style when they travel to other universes. (Noir, Penni, Hobie, etc) Again maybe that's an effect of traveling with technology as apposed to with mystical forms. Like, you get to keep your original art style but as a compromise you glitch.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yes, your explanation addresses that very nicely. Thanks for adding that!

[@AhmaduGidado]

I think the elegant solution to glitching is that it is native to how the Spiders move through the universe. Tobey and Andrew Garfield didn't glitch because they were brought in via magic, but more accurately Strange opened the door for them so the universe believed they were supposed to be there (at least momentarily)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent theory...love it!

[@tallietorchersproductions2740]

My theory is that America Chavez can’t dream because everyone in the mcu only dreams of OTHER universes, not branches. Since there’s no other her in other universes, she can’t dream. This would still allow branch America Chavezes. Then there’s that I think that America Chavez can only jump between other universes (838-616 etc) and not branches.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool theory! That could be the answer. However, I wonder if it would be an issue if America went to 616, it branched (leaving us with two copies of her in 616) and then one of the two copies jumped to 838. It would then mean there is one of her in two different alternate universes, which could then break the rule about dreaming, it seems. So her situation is really a tricky one for sure!

[@brock985]

@@AbitofEverything4Umaybe you can only dream about other versions of you that didn’t branch off of yourself? Getting kinda pedantic here but hahaha who knows

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@brock985 Interesting idea...yeah, we could indeed keep brainstorming and ultimately find a creative solution. It's like a puzzle and we'll just moving the pieces around to see what fits best. Niiiice!

[@MaxFlame4]

Since branches are "What If"s maybe nobody can dream of a "What If" because it would be too accurate ( they can think of it not dream about it )

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@MaxFlame4 Cool theory...America is such an interesting character as she makes us think about all these creative solutions to address the fact that there's only one of her.

[@devofficialchannel]

I think it could be possible that there are just multiple multiverses. Like each universe actually falls into a certain "category" of multiverse. So the MCU multiverse, the Spider-Verse (includes Rami and Webb films, the Venomverse and the animated Spider-Man worlds) and even the Foxverse and the F4verse. This is me just pulling random stuff up, but it could indeed be possible. Only reason why their rules on time travel or universe travel work differently is the methods they use. MCU has quantum tech and magic, Spiderverse has super collider tech (with Miguel basing his tech from the collider incident) and the Fox X-Men has Kitty Pride's dimensional-phasing abilities (which she also uses to time travel Logan's mind to a past body) and Cable's more standard time machine (which doesn't allow branches to exist) What if Deadpool 3 is the key to bringing every single multiverse in existence to the point that they clash and become more unstable? Deadpool's own antics with Cable's gadget + his own fourth-wall breaking abilities outright defy any logic and this technically means Deadpool is a walking anomaly that can destroy just about anything. Maybe Deadpool tampers with time a lot that he ends up teleporting to different multiverses (including the MCU multiverse) which alerts the TVA and he's seen as a threat just by existing alone (and he won't be sentenced to pruning and sent to the Void, but straight-up execution). Obviously, this may change if the Deadpool 3 trailer comes out and proves me wrong, but it would be interesting if Deadpool's very existence might play a key role to every single multiverse and reality itself.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback! Yes, I think you are right that there are multiple multiverses and that the travel rules are different in each due to the means of travel (i.e. quantum tech, magic, super collider, Miguel's tech, Kitty Pride's abilities, Cable's tech, etc). And I would love it if Deadpool was the reason everything started to collide together. That's a fantastic theory!

[@tuffdude7795]

They said it has nothing to do with the MCU, but they literally show clips of Andrew and Tobey's universes which directly interacted with the MCU.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? The quote is so very, very strange.

[@Celebok]

I think there could've been branched timelines off of 616 where Wanda had kids, but none of them were Billy and Tommy. Those kids were specific to 838. It just so happened that at some point prior to her creating the Hex, she had dreamt about her life in 838, and perhaps she didn't consciously remember that dream, her subconscious memory of Billy and Tommy ended up being the inspiration for the Billy and Tommy that she had in her Hex fantasy. So after that experience, Billy and Tommy were the specific kids she wanted back, and the Darkhold connected her to the Billy and Tommy of 838 and made her realize that they really did exist in another universe, so she became obsessed with finding them there. Oh, and I think there was no variant of Vision in 838, which is why we didn't see him in Multiverse of Madness. The kids' father was just some other dude in that universe. 616 Wanda didn't care about whoever he was, because she didn't know him. Likely he didn't even have a variant in 616, which is why Billy and Tommy never existed in any 616 branches.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...like wow! I love that explanation. Well done, sir...well done!

[@Celebok]

@@AbitofEverything4U Wow, thanks!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@bizzybrown5701]

Love how you explained incursions using the trees

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think Marvel had a genius idea to go with the tree image for the 616 multiverse. Sooooo cool!

[@whomilloo]

I still think we should differentiate “alternate” universes which are connected by nexus points (aka branched timelines) from disconnected “parallel” universes (ex. 838)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...the key distinction is indeed whether two universes are anchored or branched to one another or are disconnected. Well said!

[@dragonmudd]

Alternative idea for Chavez, while she's in the universe, she *prevents* the universe from branching. Whatever natural chaos fluctuations that sometimes occur simply *won't* ever occur as long as she's there. Of course, the problem with that is we know that branches can *also* be created by time travelers making changes (or falling in love with themselves), so we still need either one of your solutions *or* the "universe can't branch" force is *very* strong and prevents time travelers from causing branches.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great suggestions...yeah, I do like the idea that the universe can't branch while America is in it. But you're right, time travel could still be a concern.

[@agilebeast9405]

10:00 I think the only plausible answer for this is that America Chavez has a predestined fate, and every time that she's in a certain universe, that universe can't have branches (for the time period she's in), and if that's true, it means that everyone's fate is determined in main 616 as long as she's staying there.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a very cool theory. I'd be down for that. It will be interesting to see if we get any What If episodes set after MoM, when America is residing in 616. That may give us our answer.

[@graybutsuperwhite7949]

The idea of America Chavez just disappearing right in front of Steven Strange is pretty hilarious

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? I just keep picturing his face as he says, "um...where did she go?"

[@nerd5948]

​@@AbitofEverything4U yes, he'd be stuck in 838 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@nerd5948 Indeed! lol!

[@supersonicsonicgames]

Well, as for the glitch, I think that the changes and non-changes of animation are connected, that is, America and the spell of strange transport you to another universe by changing your structure to adapt it to the universe in which you are traveling and that avoids the glitch, it is In other words, when you travel and maintain your original structure, as is done in the Spider-Verse movies, this causes you to be incompatible with the universe you are in and therefore you glitch, which is why Miguel created the bracelets (this should not happen between the branches) that is why traveling with America is more efficient, it adapts you to the universe in which you travel and thus avoids the glitch. This could also explain the design change of electro in no way home, I adapted the spell so that it is compatible with 616

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theory!

[@jamonfisk3631]

I think each 616 branch timeline has the abililty to have all of the infinity stones depending on when it branches. Because these branches are also all their own universes

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree 100%! Yes, I think that each branched universe has a copy of the stones. If you think about it, the time heist wouldn't work if not for the branches the Avengers created when they went back in time each having their own set of stones. Likewise, in the What If episode with Ultron, he had his own set of stones, since his universe was branched off of 616. So I think you are 100% in your theory!

[@TheNerdBreakdowns]

I’ve just recently come across your videos and I gotta say they are amazing. I absolutely love them. The details and the topics! It’s fantastic. They feature All the stuff that intrigues me and has me thinking haha. I’ve done some similar videos on the tva and the spider society before. We should definitely collaborate someday! Either way, great stuff!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Glad you found the channel...the YT algorithm works in mysterious ways. That's great that you've done TVA and spider society vids as well. They are topics of endless theories and discussions. Would be fun to collab sometime!

[@TheNerdBreakdowns]

@@AbitofEverything4U Sounds good! I will reach out!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@lakuseq]

31:37 I made a comment about that just as you said Strange's spell caused Vulture in Morbius universe 😅 Glad you also think that way. Imo they did pretty good job kinda retconing this part. I love that they tried to please fans after the flop.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I'll give them credit for a very clever retcon to fix that PCS!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

35:50-In regards to the glitching, Miguel says that one of the main reasons that various different villains are showing up in the wrong universes is because of what Miles and the other Spider-People in Into the Spider-Verse caused. Maybe it's a situation to where if you get sent to the wrong dimension because of Fisk's collider energy, maybe that's what messes you up and causes the glitching.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh...now I like that! Good call!

[@dragonmudd]

I definitely prefer the "The Darkhold convinced her" answer more than the she has no children in any of the other branches," because the 14 million alternate branches are only branches that Strange could get to from that moment and branch. It wouldn't include, say, the branch with Captain Carter, or any other branch that separate before that scene on Titan.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I like the Darkhold answer alot...it makes sense that she was being taken advantage in that way.

[@lawznwdsc]

Great video, man it's fun that the MCU and the Spider verse are depicting things differently but it's is not fun try and tie things together. So something big just got found out about Thor love and thunder that you should definitely do a video about so in the post credit scene of Jane in Valhalla in the background we can see the Sacred timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I heard that rumor...definitely an interesting idea, but I'm not sure what to think about it. It doesn't really make sense that the sacred timeline would be seen in Valhalla. But maybe we'll learn more about it when Thor returns?

[@Sean-bf3lh]

The spot is similar to america chavez in mcu

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good analogy!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

31:16-Across the Spider-Verse ends more or less SHOWING that he's wrong. When Gwen returns to her universe, she sees that he father has retired as a police captain and her universe is still completely stable. Despite Miguel INSISTING that the death of a captain HAS to occur as a canon event.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point...additionally, I think the fact that Spider-Man India joins with Miles shows that he doesn't blame Miles for what happened and likely realizes it was due to the Spot's actions and not Miles' actions. Great feedback on the vid...I think you are 100% correct!

[@user_miike]

recently found the channel and i’ve been binge watching the content please keep it up this is great

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's awesome that you found the channel. Great to have you here. And thanks for watching the vids. I truly appreciate it!

[@Sebas-jl1xd]

I have also thought that what Miguel did was provoke an incursion, quoting Reed Richards "Your presence here confuses and destabilizes reality, if you leave a very large impression you increase the risk of an incursion." Miguel took the place of himself from the another universe where he was happy, and when that made an impression big enough to cause an incursion, the realities eroded, and one of those two worlds was destroyed without a trace, it makes perfect sense to me. And I've been thinking about that if you alter the canon the universe you interfered with can be destroyed, but not with the multiverse, any action that didn't have to happen would only create "another branch" instead of destroying a world? This is where I feel Miguel is wrong, because if that had been the case, shouldn't the spider that bit Miles in the first place have altered canon enough to destroy Miles' universe? Because he wasn't meant to be Spiderman, Miguel said so, so it wouldn't make sense.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...it sure does feel like Miguel created an incursion by visiting that other world. And that's an excellent point about the spider bite on Miles not creating the destruction of his own universe and how that shows canon events are as pre-set as Miguel feels they are. Great observation!

[@Bangorblackguy]

As always, a very thorough and well thought out video. I always appreciate the attention to detail, and your curiosity/enthusiasm. I was especially interested in your America Chavez commentary. I look forward to the next video

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the positive feedback. And I agree, the America Chavez stuff is fascinating. Really interested to see what they do with her character going forward!

[@danielpossel4389]

For the quantum realm i think we can go back to the end of loki when mobius say "an adjacent 616 realm" so for me every universe has it's own quantum realm

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I can definitely see how Mobius' quote lends itself to one QR per universe. ig for me, I take the Mobius line and combine it with Loveness saying the QR is the basement of the Multiverse, and that's why I feel there is a QR that connects alternate universes. I'm also thinking that the Kang that was in Quantumania isn't the Kang from 616, since it seems to be HWR who is the Kang for 616. So I think Janet met a Kang from a different universe and thus the QR connects different universes. All that said, however, I totally agree with you that we need more info to make a final call on how the QR works. I'm hoping Marvel gives us a better definition of it at some point. Thanks for the excellent feedback on the vid!

[@danielpossel4389]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah i see what you mean but to combine our two explanation we could probably discover later that the QR are the basement of one univers like 616 but can connect to another QR because in they hierarchy of cosmologie they're "basement" so really low in the layers of reality

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@danielpossel4389 Cool idea! I like the idea of the QR's being connected...I mean it is an area that's outside time and space, so anything's possible!

[@camrenstuder6734]

My theory for Wanda’s kids not being on any 616 branch is that some entity prevents all 616 versions of Wanda from having kids, and the reason for this would be that only 616 versions of Wanda are nexus beings but not Wanda’s from other numbered Earths. This entity could either be Cthon trying to manipulate Wanda into embracing the darkhold, or it could be Immortus trying to restrict Wanda’s chaos magic by ending her bloodline. Sylvia described He Who Remains as wanting to remove chaos from the timeline, so it would make since for Immortus to also prevent chaos by stopping a nexus being that utilizes chaos magic to procreate, and in the comics Immortus tried to bolster Wanda’s relationship with vision, so that she would not have kids. I found it interesting that we did not see variants of vision in any of the alternate universes that Wanda showed in MOM that had her kids in them, so maybe her kids had a different father on those other earths. I don’t think we have any confirmation about non-616 Wandas being nexus beings, but correct me if I’m wrong.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theories! Yeah, I'm on the fence if Wanda is a nexus being or not, since we saw variants of her in What If, but that is still a very good theory. I also like the idea of some entity preventing her children from appearing in 616. That's also very interesting. I really hope they give us an answer regarding Wanda being a nexus being as that is such a fascinating direction to take her character. Thanks so much for sharing all your thoughts on the vid. Really appreciate it!

[@googleyoutubename5878]

Maybe America has some sort of power she's unaware of that somehow prevents the universe she's in from branching? I think it would be pretty cool if in a future movie/show it's somehow discovered that she has this power and the 2 opposing sides either want her there in a specific universe or want to send her to another universe/kill her because branching timelines or preventing branching timelines is key to someones plans. Maybe the villian of secret wars wants to kill her because she prevents branches from occuring wherever she goes but the avengers need her in whatever universe they're currently fighting in to assist them so they have to assign some bodyguards to her and hide her away from the action (similar to keeping the gauntlet away from thanos and sending it back in time during the final battle in endgame)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I really like that theory...I agree, that could be a major plot point during Secret Wars if she actually prevented a universe from branching!

[@MaxFlame4]

Maybe the spider-verse collides with the painting universe 😂 Also i think, it is possible that they glitch *because* they keep their own form of their reality And america Chavez adapts

[@AbitofEverything4U]

More paint would make me so happy! And that's a good suggestion about the reason for the glitching vs. America who is able to avoid glitching.

[@completeownage379]

Perhaps the glitching only occurs when you jump between universes within Sony's multiverse, but not within the MCU. Like you said, Miguel described it as essentially being a megaverse, so maybe the two multiverses function differently from each other whilst also being able to interact with one another.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that's a very good theory. And it could have to do with the infinity stones forming differently in their universes and thus reality functioning differently.

[@davidrobinson1737]

Really happy when you upload this stuff. Your videos are extremely informative and well put together!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...I really appreciate the positive feedback on the vid!

[@vincently1995]

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[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@nerd5948]

Cool video! You really put a lot of hard work and research into each video. But I don't think Marvel thinks of these nitty-gritty details

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I do suspect you are right...Marvel may have an overall plan in place, but isn't necessarily thinking about all the smaller details. So it leaves it up to us fans to try to put it all together, which is kinda fun, tbh!

[@markdarc0448]

Awesome answers to all these questions it's always nice to get things cleared up and you do a great job at simplifying these things for people. For America Chavez I think it's possible that she just can't branch at all. For example say with any other character there's a branch created from choosing either vanilla or chocolate ice cream. If they choose vanilla there's a universe that is made where they eat vanilla ice cream and a universe where they eat chocolate ice cream. How I think it works for America Chavez is she gets one choice, if she chooses vanilla there's no universe or branch made for if she chose chocolate, thats just not a possibility due to the way her power may inertly warp reality. I also think this applies to characters around her too, if strange chose chocolate and then went to sit and eat with her, her powers eliminate the possibility that he could choose vanilla since she's there. I think that this fixes some of the weirdness that would come if she got poofed out of a branch which would just be weird. Plus technically spider-verse connects to the mcu, and the spider verse references the comics all the time where a different America Chavez exists so I think she's ultimately just wrong or has had bad luck when looking. Man I gotta say my favorite part of the video was hearing you say that the sacred timeline is multiple branches. I've been saying that for so so long and I felt like a crazy person. Everyone says that things like worlds of what if, aren't sacred timeline canon, when they absolutely can be, just not on the same timeline. The way I understand it is the main mcu is earth 199999-A, Captain Carters world can be 199999-B and strange supreme could be 199999-C and the Sacred Timeline includes earth 199999 A, B and C. The sacred timeline in its entirety could be all of earth-199999, and it could include none of this we just dont know. But now all of it is on the tree anyway so it doesn't really matter. I do think its possible that Miguels tech helps you keep part of your reality and appearance perhaps tied to your temporal aura in some way, but I also think it could be tied to the way that they are traveling the multiverse. Chavez seems to do it through more magic like powers, same with stranges spell, whereas Miguel is much more tech based, as is kang. I really dont know if we have enough info to say for sure though. Also in the coming months we have both Madame Web and X-Men 97 coming up, do you plan to do any videos covering those or the MAU as I like to call it, the marvel animated universe which consists of numerous 90s marvel shows?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback as always! So, I did consider the possibility that a universe simply can't branch if America is in it and I should have mentioned that in the vid. The reason I think that probably can't be an option is we know that the What If branches are forming post Endgame, since we'll finally see Monica in a What If episode. Thus, if the main timeline is still branching after MoM occurs, then it would mean things are branching with America being in the universe. But maybe we actually won't see any branches after MoM and then that theory could still hold true that a universe can't branch with her in it. Would be so wild if America literally prevented the Loki tree from growing and branching. As for the Spider-Verse connecting to the comics, I didn't touch on that, but that would indeed present many issues. Feige has long said that the MCU is the live-action adaptation of the comics and thus the two don't co-exist. It's the reason he feels comfortable with the MCU being labeled 616. So I suspect that if he were to officially link the Spider-Verse to the MCU (which I hope happens) then he will say that any comic book characters that appear in the Spider-Verse movies aren't actually the versions from the comics, but are animated adaptations of those characters. That would continue to allow a firm separation from the MCU and the comics. I totally agree with you that What If could have been happening during the sacred timeline being in the loom. Since multiple branches existed, then we could indeed have had some of those episodes occur while the loom was in place. And I agree that the tech vs. magic explanation can address things like the glitching as well as retaining one's own reality (i.e. being live action in an animated universe). As for covering some of the MAU, that's a very interesting idea. I will definitely cover the new episodes of X-men '97, as I think they will be very important going forward in the multiverse. As for covering any of the other legacy animation, let me know what you are thinking as I'm open to ideas on it. I mean, if a character is slated to appear in Secret Wars, I will definitely cover their backstory. But if not, then I likely won't go into detail on (for example) the 90's Spider-man series. I loved that series, but if that version of the character won't be in Secret Wars, there probably isn't alot of interest from viewers in seeing a breakdown his series. I'm just using that as an example though. So let me know what you feel might be some material worth covering. And thanks again for all the great comments!

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks for the great response I totally agree with everything you said. As for what to cover in the MAU, there’s two things that I kinda want to see. 1. Going through and explaining some of the plot holes between shows, for example some people don’t consider silver surfer, Spider-Man unlimited and avengers United they stand to be a part of the universe because of some contradictions it presents. But these could all be a part of and included in the next and main thing I’d want to see 2. A timeline of how to watch these shows. I was able to find one fan made timeline but it arbitrarily skips around the shows so you don’t get attached to any one character which i don’t like. I haven’t had the time to go through and watch all the shows but I did make my own timeline that attempts to fix some of the errors between shows with viewing order changes but I’m very unsure of it. Plus your practically known for timelines at this point so I’m sure your general audience would appreciate and watch it (especially if you mention at some point that Spider-Man unlimited appears in spiderverse lol), though it would take some time I’ve had difficulty trying to figure it out without watching everything myself.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent suggestions. Okay, I agree, that might make for some interesting vids. It would take alot of research, but I think the interest in those MAU characters will continue to grow the closer we get to Secret Wars!

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree hopefully they show up in secret wars that would be awesome!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@phillynicko]

Great video! Your explanation on the ‘Megaverse’ makes so much sense. Just wondering if you were planning on covering the upcoming DCU? Thanks for everything!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the positive feedback on the vid. Really appreciate it. And yes, I'm definitely looking forward to covering the DCU. Gunn's got some very exciting plans and I can't wait to see what he has in store for us!

[@aakashanand3521]

Is it possible, the reason dr strange saw 14 million timelines and saw only one winning because, in other timelines even if they they win, tva erased the timline ? The one we saw is set by he who remains as the only option

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very cool theory!

[@Blazecap]

Re question seven about Wanda: Remember even if our Wanda had the power to snatch a Billy and Tommy from another universe their presence would cause an incursion. That’s presciently why she wanted America’s powers so she could get her kids without doing damage to the multiverse. Makes sense to me.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

My bad for not framing that question a little better...I should have prefaced it by saying that if Wanda had found her kids in a branched universe off of 616 (i.e. a what if universe), she could have brought them into her main 616 without an incursion. As we saw in What If and also in Loki and in the Time Heist, you can jump into a branched universe / timeline without it causing an incursion. So the question was really about why Wanda went to all the trouble to find her kids in an alternate universe when grabbing them from a branched universe was within her powerset and also wouldn't create any issues. Ironically, pulling her kids from an alternate universe and bringing them into 616 would have created an incursion, but she likely didn't know that and/or the Darkhold was controlling her and forcing her to think it was the only solution. Hope that makes sense. My apologies for not setting up that question very well. And thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@itsyogurt9247]

I would like to add anothery about canon events! Canon events are the same as absolute points in What If. In What If, we experience a scenario of Doctor Strange "losing his hands instead of his heart". Now, he pursued Christine instead of abadoning her(Our Strange), resulting to losing his hands. He tried to avoid it(by still trying to pursue Christine), but he can never bring back Christine ever again, he tried to do so, but got an incursion and led to his own universe's death. Same goes to NWH's spidermen, their Uncle Ben/Aunt May dies whenever they tell the "responsibility" line. Now going back with Dr Strange, there is a choice within his canon event, it's either losing his hands OR heart. If he didn't pursue Christine he wouldve lost his heart instead of hands, vice versa.THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT REVELATION since it might have proven that Gwen's dad wont die since he isnt a captain anymore. Did she just avoid her own canon event or have a different event, but instead of losing her dad, she would lose someone else? In conclusion, you can avoid your absolute points by having a preceeding choice. (I.e, telling your dad that you're Spiderman or not, pursuing Christine or not)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very cool theory! I like that!

[@Volvagia0slayer]

For Q5, I think America just grounds whatever universe that she's in so that it simply can't branch. Nexus events simply don't happen in whatever universe she's in while she's in that universe. Everything happens on a single set path. I feel like (or at least hope) that this is part of the key to defeating Kang. If he is pulled into a universe that America is in, he's not going to create new variants of himself; there are only a finite number of Kangs at that point that can then be defeated. For Q10, don't forget that the Hail Hydra and Steve fighting himself took place just a few streets down from where the Ancient One lived. Steve has to return the Time Stone to the Ancient One (and likely has to have her recreate the Stones' vessels before he returns them). She has the ability to rewrite people's memories with a spell. And she and Steve would both have access to the Mind Stone which is able to rewrite people's memories. Therefore it is entirely possible for Tony to have had his heart attack, Steve to have said Hail Hydra, and for Steve to have fought himself in the original timeline before all of these events were erased or clouded by the magic of the Ancient One or the Mind Stone. So 2012 doesn't have to be a branch at all until Loki picks up the Tesseract. There's also nothing in 2013 that couldn't have happened in the original timeline. Even 2014 could have been the original set of circumstances up until Nebula connecting to her cloud network (everything after Nebula connected to the network HAS to be a branch, but knocking out Quill could have been part of the original timeline as that would explain how Korvac caught up to Quill and arrived right behind him at the temple without Peter ever seeing Korvac's ship arrive). So basically, yes, there had to be at least two branches from the time heist (Loki taking the Tesseract and Nebula connecting to the network), but the other events technically could have potentially been part of the original timeline. Great catch with the polymultiverse thing! I'm totally with you on that one.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I do love the idea that America makes a universe no longer branch. That would be very cool. ofc, if we end up seeing a What if episode post MoM for the branch point, then it would answer the question of whether a universe can branch if she's in it. The reason I think it's impossible for Steve and the Ancient One to fix the issues created during the time heist is that we saw in Loki that changes in the past immediately impact the future during his time slipping in season 1. So if the time heist didn't create branches, then the instant Steve said "Hail Hydra" it would change his future. Additionally, the Scott Lang book seemed to put the issue to rest for good, since it is considered canon and it includes his explanation that they were in a different set of timelines when they retrieved the stones. The big mystery, ofc, is how Steve managed to return the stones to those alternate timelines as well as how his time with Peggy worked (i.e. branch or not). But I don't think there should be any debate on whether the time heist itself was in an alternate timeline after Scott's book has been released. Plus the official timeline book seemed to indicate the same thing regarding creating branches. But just my 2 cents on all of that. Great feedback as always!

[@MCLegoboy]

From Question 12 on; this is some fun theory crafting. By principle, I can't take it as fact, but as a foundation for any kind of headcanon, this is pretty good.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...yep, all theories, but it was alot of fun to try to brainstorm some answers to those wild questions people asked me.

[@benedwards2566]

19:30 Did the Time Heist really create branches? When Bruce was speaking with the Ancient one he says “We can erase it. Once we are done with the stones, we can return each one to its own timeline at the moment it was taken. So, chronologically, in that reality, they never left.” So did the Avengers do their own self-pruning when Steve returned the stones who also mentioned “clipping all the branches” towards the end of the film.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question...so I think it created branches for a few reasons: 1. The Hulk said you can't change your past and instead, your past becomes your new future. So the only way the Avengers could have avoided altering their past was if it created a new timeline when they arrived in the past. The examples I gave in the vid show some of the things they did that would have caused lots of carnage if they weren't in a branch. 2. Scott Lang and Fitz from Agents of SHIELD both mentioned jumping between timelines. Lang's book is considered his official account of the time heist, so it seems to confirm they created branched timelines. 3. My assumption is that when Steve returns the stones, he is effectively clipping the branches at that point. So it will be like they never existed. So that's why I feel they had to create branches. I do wish they would give us a special presentation showing how Steve returned those stones. That would be amazing!

[@tak3000]

I love these videos! Did you ever think about doing a podcast?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a very cool idea. I mean, ig the videos are essentially a form of a podcast. I may look into that at some point, but I admit I don't have any experience doing it. However, it's an excellent suggestion!

[@greggoryshine1183]

Maybe im starting to like the paint universe as much as you do

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yeah, I just want to know what it would be like to be 100% paint. So many questions!

[@bizzybrown5701]

So Marvel and Sony are showing us how all these forces are wrecking the multiverse and causing incursions and warping the megaverse

[@AbitofEverything4U]

The multiverse is slowly unraveling and we have a front row seat!

[@bizzybrown5701]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think this is going to be an awesome surprise for the casuals or lay Marvel fans who do see how things connect yet . There are people who analyze this stuff thoroughly who still can’t seem to grasp some of these concepts . To you and I it’s all pretty simple.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...once the connections start to become clear to the casual fans, their minds will be blown at how well it's all been thought out!

[@bizzybrown5701]

@@AbitofEverything4U THIS!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@willpearson9010]

22:45 it makes sense that there are certain branches from endgame that are pruned and certain ones that aren’t because Loki takes the tesseract and is caught by TVA. So Star Lord losing the stone is fine but Loki getting the Tesseract isn’t.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...that's how I view it as well. Loki was a branch off the 2012 branch and so the TVA just clipped his extra branch from the Avengers 2012 branch.

[@Alejandroigarabide]

The Loki series literally begins with the TVA pruning the 2012 branch that resulted from the time heist. I think Kang's plan involved the creation of the branches as long as they were useful (until the Avengers took the stones and later returned them) to then be pruned.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point...I should have clarified that Loki's branch was a branch off of the 2012 branch the Avengers created by going back in time. So the TVA didn't prune the Avengers 2012 branch itself, but instead they pruned Loki's branch off that branch. Man, that's tough to say!

[@Alejandroigarabide]

@@AbitofEverything4U Interesting point. How do we know it's a branch of a branch? I interpreted it as Kang always having the same following plan: 1) The Avengers make the heist 2) They branch the timeline several times 3) I prune every branch and get a Loki for the next step 4) Loki finds the Citadel at the End of Time

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@Alejandroigarabide Yeah, your explanation could be the answer. I just figured that it was like a branch off a branch, since we see the sacred timeline doing that as it expands (i.e. branches forming off branches). Plus, it seemed the TVA pruned Loki right away. So if it wasn't in a new branch, then pruning Loki's branch would prune the Avengers branch while they were still in 2012. Lastly, they said Loki was the variant that created the violation, so that's why it seemed to me that his grabbing the tesseract created a new branch with him being the reason the branch formed. But just my take on it. You are correct that they left things very mysterious about how the branches in Endgame worked. I hope one day they give us a story with Steve returning the stones. That would be so cool!

[@Alejandroigarabide]

@@AbitofEverything4U Wow. A miniseries or movie about Steve returning the stones could fill in so many gaps. We could see him going from branch to branch (only for them to be pruned after he leaves), meeting Red Skull again, living with Peggy and returning to his original timeline after her passing (or rather, striking some sort of deal with Kang to live out his life IN the sacred timeline from the start).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@Alejandroigarabide ikr...wouldn't that be incredible. I would sooooooo love for Marvel to give us that story!

[@FaisalAhmadNoori]

Nice work

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate it!

[@MartianDX]

I think the different kinds of glitching could be a technology vs magic thing. if an incursion is caused by magic it creates the ink blots, if its caused by technology like miguel's watch or kingpin's collider it causes glitching. america can avoid incursions entirely cus her multiverse hopping power is natural to her and natural to the multiverse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that's an excellent theory. I'd be down for that to be the answer if they go that direction!

[@mathisha6225]

Great video! One question I have regarding the quantum realm and kang: was the kang we saw in quantamania from a different multiverse, not 616? If so, that means the council of kangs is able to use the quantum realm to travel between multiverses, right?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question...so I do indeed believe that the Kang from QM was from a different alternate universe than 616. However, I still believe that you can't use the QR to jump from one alternate universe to another. You can only jump to branched universes as you can't jump to something that isn't connected to the location you originated from. So I believe the Kang Council couldn't use the QR to enter from one alternate universe and jump into 616. But it does seem they have found some type of special tech that lets them make that type of jump somehow. I mean, they originally met up in the 31st century, so I agree with you that they have to be able to do it somehow. I just think it wasn't via the QR or they could have jumped into 616 and found HWR, it seems. I'm really hoping we learn how they can jump between alternate dimensions, but it seems it could have to do with the bangles, since we see that happening in The Marvels. So the answer is likely coming soon!

[@Kompatainment]

The America Chavez question is really interesting. Here's my theory: All branches that create a variant of her immediately die. Maybe due to her presence in a specific universe that universe is unable to branch off into different timelines as long as America is there. Maybe it's a fixed rule of the multiverse that only one America Chavez can exist and therefore every branch that creates a variant of her also creates a paradox. And we've seen in _What If...?_ episode 4 what happens to timelines that create a paradox. They cease to exist. It might sound wrong since we know she's currently living on earth 616 and we also know that earth 616 has a bunch of branches (Loki's tree) but we don't know when the nexus events of said branches occur. We know some of them from _What If...?_ but none of them have featured America Chavez yet. So it's very well possible that all these nexus events occured either before she entered earth 616 or after she left earth 616.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent theory. Yeah, it would be wild if it was impossible for a universe to branch if America was in it. Very cool idea!

[@ProjectImpossibleOfficial]

29:00 I always assumed that, when Miguel says "If we're lucky, we can stop it...", whatever they'd do to stop the universe from unraveling would involve killing the Indian police captain some other way. It's a bit dark, but I wouldn't put it past him. I think Miguel would actually do something like that if it meant saving the Spider-Verse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...yeah, that would be wild if they killed that captain...very dark...but also very much something Miguel would do!

[@dakis3395]

38:35 About the last 2, i believe we have to consider that magic and technology are completely different and might change the effects of universe traveling. Magic lets you transform as the universe you're in and technology can't go that far. Also, since the spider verse connects everything, it is probably trying to fix itself in the best way possible so since miguel was wearing the watch thingy, the spider verse couldn't remove him so it removed everything else. Isn't it also weird that the spider verse has a technology kinda vibe with all the glitching stuff? Are they trying to tell us that it is maybe artificial? Weird theory but I can't get it out of my head.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I think that the means of travel is a key answer to why things operate differently...the magic vs. tech is a great explanation. And that's a very interesting point about the technology feel of the glitching. I wonder if that's supposed to mean something deeper that will get paid off in BTSV!

[@Algox]

Will you be covering the multiversal ramifications with Madame Web once that releases? Because it's going to be in another universe that's not the SSU.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, looking forward to seeing what direction Sony takes with the Madame Web movie. Wanted to get this vid out in prep for it to see how it works in relation to what we know so far.

[@rickee9909]

looking back on this you made this look really easy xDD

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the positive feedback on it!

[@completeownage379]

I think there's probably multiple big bangs and thus multiple sets of infinity stones because in the first season of What If...? Gamora tries to use her infinity crusher on Ultron's stones and it didn't work as the stones were different in his universe.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very good point! Granted, in the case you mention, I think it was due to Gamora's universe being a branch off of 616, since the What If episodes are each branched off the sacred timeline. But your overall point is spot on! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it! Oh, and speaking of if you want to see the vid I did on how What If fits in with the overall multiverse, you can find it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n57NiHaIhth7oac

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

5:49 always thought it was the same guy. Timely is He who remains

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's certainly a valid theory that they are the same guy. What is so interesting is we see that if young Victor isn't tampered with (i.e. he doesn't get the book), then he doesn't build his early loom and so on. I had initially assumed Victor was the origin of HWR, but it seems that on the sacred timeline, Victor has a very normal life. Man, I would love it if they just tell us what their thinking was with Victor. It's a mystery I would love to see solved!

[@luismariogonzalez9767]

I think that the branches of the time heist were erased, in the first episode of Loki we see that after capturing Loki before leaving, the TVA leaves one of the charges that erase branches.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! I should have specified that the branches the Avengers created were supposed to happen but Loki then created a branch off their branch, which wasn't supposed to happen and so his branch off their branch was pruned. Man that sentence is hard to process...lol!

[@sharinivash6600]

Woww mate..U just cleared all my doubts...😇

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome! Yeah, I love doing these types of vids as it forces me to really dig into things and try to line it all up. Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@supraspintus1124]

What if, an incursion occurs because the power of one infinity stone is used to interact with another universe because it de-stabilises the balance but if a bit of each infinity stone is used it stays stable. And the reason kang had to ensure that thanos atomised the infinity stones is because his technology cant be created unless the stones are atomised

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool theory! That certainly explains things nicely!

[@BlackHedgehog]

Very interesting video and interesting questions and answers too. It should be noted that yes, the Avengers caused branches but the reason it was "supposed to happen" is because as Bruce explains they would resolve those branches by returning the infinity stones erasing those branches.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...perhaps HWR told the TVA the branches will be taken care of by other means. Good point!

[@ovorocky007]

W video per usual

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@xiongrey19]

imo, they were hinting that Miguel was wrong about the premise of the "Canon Events" thing by the end of the movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! I agree...the fact that SM India was with the team supporting Miles in the end seems to indicate that he disagreed with Miguel.

[@PaulinaAngel]

I often wondered about the Thanos remark "Reduced to atoms", that had the Avengers thought long and hard on that statement, would the time heist be necessary. Then again, the ones that didn't hear Thanos make that statement were Tony, Scott and Clint. I think with that knowledge, maybe both Tony, Scott and Rocket maybe came up with a solution to enlarge them again, Tony come up with a microscope to locate them and then Scott use to enlargement disc and throw it at them to become big again. Natasha would've been alive and the need to a time heist would have been a moot quest.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...what an interesting thought. Yeah, I admit that I didn't notice what Thanos said the first time I watched the movie, so it would make sense if the Avengers overlooked that line in the heat of the moment. Imagine if they could have used those stones after all...wild!

[@Jansenbaker]

If I'm reading this right, you think the stones were shrunk, right? If not, that's fine, but I'm gonna say it anyway. The stones were blown apart at the atomic level. The atoms that made up the stones were scattered everywhere. There wouldn't be a way to retrieve them. That's why Thanos says it almost killed him. In fact, if you think about it, it's a wonder the act didn't nuke the surrounding area, or crack the planet in half from the presumed concentrated power being released. Now, another possibility is you were proposing they only need a few atoms and can grow those, but I don't know if that would be the same as having the stones themselves.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@Jansenbaker Yeah, I think the gist of what was being suggested is that perhaps there was some solution for using the stones again, since Ant-Man can shrink to tiny levels and can also increase the size of miniscule items. Considering they invented time travel (which seemed impossible prior to that), then perhaps there was some way to use those stones in their current state. Unlikely, but it is still an interesting thought.

[@Merione]

I'm not entirely convinced by your explanation for question 2, about there being two Kangs on the Sacred Timeline. In fact, if you think about it, they are not REALLY variants of each other, if you strictly apply the definition of "variant" as presented in the show. [Sorry, very long comment incoming lol!] According to Miss Minutes and the TVA in general, when there's a Nexus event the universe branches and a "variant" is created. So, according to the Sacred Timeline, in 2012 the Avengers captured Loki, who then went through all the events of the Infinity Saga up until his death in Infinity War, but then during the Time Heist the Avengers came back to that moment and created a branch, which caused the Nexus event that produced the Loki "variant" that we follow during the tv show. Every other variant that we know of follows the same scheme: there is one "main" version of the character, who then does something that they're not supposed to do, which then causes a "variant" to be created. The only exception would probably be Sylvie, but the show never revealed what exactly was her Nexus event. In fact, she didn't know either, which then became a plot point in Season 1 as she was trying to destroy the TVA exactly because she thought that they had destroyed her life for no apparent reason. For all we know, her Nexus event could have been something insignificant, like she being born a woman instead of a male, and that would still fit the strict definition of "variant" as presented by Miss Minutes, because it would be a universe where everything was going according to plan until one rogue sperm cell decided to take a wrong turn and created Sylvie instead of Loki. Now let's try to apply this logic to HWR. We know, because he tells us directly, that he was Nathaniel Richards, a brilliant scientist from Earth 616 in the 31st century who somehow became aware of the multiverse and then learned how to time travel through his advanced tech. Because of this, he then came into contact with other Nathaniel Richards from other universes and they started a war. He eventually isolated himself, creating the TVA and Sacred Timeline. Then, from that point on, he spent centuries living in the Citadel at the End of Time overseeing the operations of the TVA to make sure that no other Nathaniel Richards could ever come into existance (at least within his own little isolated bubble). If you think carefully about this story, he never "really" created a Nexus event: all his other "variants" that we saw in the Council of Kangs post credit scene didn't come from him making a different decision and causing a branch. They came from what your model would call different "multiverses" (616, 838, Paint Universe, etc.), each with their own, completely separate, Nathaniel Richards. Therefore, if he never created a Nexus event, where did Victor Timely come from? Well, first of all, he lived in the 19th century, not the 31st, so he wasn't connected to Nathaniel Richards directly and couldn't come from a Nexus event caused by him. And secondly, if you're correct and he was "planted" by HWR as a contingency plan, then by definition he wasn't a variant of Kang, he was more like an offspring, or a clone, or something similar. If instead he was always there and he only was "taught" how the Kang technology works by the TVA handbook that Ravonna gave him through his window, then again this means he couldn't be a variant of HWR, but rather Victor Timely, a completely separate individual who lived in the 19th century and was chosen by HWR to be his "replacement" in case his original plan failed. HWR simply arranged for this random kid named Victor Timely to receive the TVA handbook so that he could learn how to use it, thus starting the chain of events that lead Loki back to HWR centuries later. In fact, I believe that this is the better interpretation of the two, because at the end of Loki S2, when HWR is finally defeated and Loki becomes the new overseeer of the 616 multiverse, there is a scene in which we see Victor Timely as a kid who (this time) never received the book and just went on with his life as if nothing ever happened, which implies that if the events of Loki S1 and S2 never happened he would have never even been pulled into all this mess in the first place. He was just a regular kid in the 1800s who happened to find the book. That's it. And this leads me to my second point that shows how there is no real issue about there being two Kangs at the same time on the Sacred Timeline: there were NEVER two Kangs at the same time! The only reason why Victory Timely was able to become so knowledgeable about the Kang technology was the book that he received through his window back in the 19th century, when he was a kid. But he only received the book because, by that point, Sylvie had already killed HWR and his contingency plan was set in motion. This means that, before Sylvie killed HWR, Victor Timely was just a regular kid who knew nothing about Kang tech, so there is only one Kang active at this time. And after Sylvie killed HWR, the plan to make Victor aware of Kang tech was enacted, leading to him being active in Loki S2, but by that time there was no HWR anymore. So there was still only one "Kang" active. There was never a moment in the show where HWR and Victor Timely were active at the same time. He either was being watched and kept in the dark as a plan B in case plan A failed OR he was made aware of Kang tech, but only after HWR had died already. The only time there really could have been two Kangs active at the same time was during Quantumania, when there was the Kang that 616 Ant-Man fought. But still, he was in the Quantum Realm. And as we know, the Quantum Realm is the "basement" of the MCU, so he could have originated from any other multiverse other that 616 and just by chance he happened to come into contact with 616 Janet and her family (yes, I do believe that you can travel from one multiverse to another through the Quantum Realm: the only reason why we didn't see an incursion in Quantumania is because that version of Kang never actually LEFT the Quantum Realm: the final battle took place entirely in the QR itself, but he never really set foot in 616). But again, Mobius' line in the last episode of Loki S2 implies that he was "dealt with" while Loki was overseeing the multiverse already, implying that Quantumania happens after Loki, so it doesn't matter anyway. So yeah, there never were two Kangs active at the same time in 616: there was either He Who Remains *OR* Victor Timely, but never both simultaneously. And they were two distinct individuals anyway, not variants of each other, strictly speaking. So I see no issues with them coexisting on the Sacred Timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love that theory! So yeah, I should have been more clear that I don't think of Victor as a "variant", per se, but likely more of a clone. The reason I think Victor is tied directly to HWR is that I think HWR wouldn't want to take a chance that a random kid would not only read the book in the first place but would be able to run with it and create that amazing early model of the loom. I think HWR would want a version of himself when he was a child to be "planted" in the sacred timeline, as he knew that a version of himself would indeed be able to understand the book and build that model. So I agree with your overall point that Victor wasn't a variant, per se, but likely a clone or a copy of Victor as a child. Perhaps he even put him into the sacred timeline as a baby at the doorstep of a family that would care for him, knowing that when he hit the appropriate age, Miss Minutes could approach him and "activate" him by giving him the book.

[@reedcoles1215]

A bit late but my head canon is what if Miguel’s dimension watch is the same one or similar one kang uses in both of the Loki series ? They are pretty similar

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that idea. I definitely think there will be a tie of some sort between Miguel and Kang!

[@john_comi]

😭😂 Amazing Michael Keaton impression 👏👏👏 but seriously, that line is so insane I think i actually love it. Like why doesnt he think it's an Infinity Stone thing? Or a thanos thing? Like the last time everyone faded into dust then reappeared it had nothing to do with Spider Man lmao

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Too funny! Yeah, I agree...the line is so bad that it's good. That and "I’m still figuring this place out, but I think a bunch of guys like us should team up. Could do some good." Epic!

[@thegreenthunder5416]

Perhaps glitching is a form of self-incursion…? This is a long shot, but there’s perhaps a mechanism in the multiverse that tries to end incursions before they start, or in many multiverses their TVA has an automated pruning system that attacks foreign jumpers like a firewall to a hostile program. Or maybe glitching only affects those connected to the web of life and destiny. Honestly, I hate to say it…but it seems like the movie with MAYBE the best position to answer at least one of your questions is Madame Web, since she is supposedly the web’s Watcher if you will. And it’s produced by Sony so they are at least talking to themselves. Lets hope they can keep it consistent

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that theory on glitching. It does indeed seem like a precursor to an incursion. And yeah, I'll be checking out Madame Webb (sigh) as I suspect you are correct that it may indeed go into how canon events work. That would certainly be a win, if so!

[@tannerp.4996]

There are two problems with the 616 designation only being from He Who Remains 1. 838 Christine also refers to the MCU as 616 2. Erik Selvig in The Dark World has “616 universe” written and underlined on his chalkboard. Ms. Minutes in the timeline book says “Leave it to Doctor Selvig to be ahead of the curve!”

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point about Christine...it could be that since Christine was aware of the multiverse and of 616 in particular, then she used the same numbering that was being used already. As you mentioned, Dr. Selvig and then Mysterio both used the 616 numbering. As for Selvig, the timeline book credits him with being the first to use it, but the book doesn't tell us why he used it. My thought is perhaps HWR left hidden indicators of the number out of pride. Basically his own Easter Egg for anyone in 616 to find. And if anyone could find it, it would be Selvig for sure!

[@johnsantos507]

Even though earth is 199999. Not 616.

[@tannerp.4996]

@@johnsantos507 It’s 616 according to all Marvel Studios sources

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@johnsantos507 I just refer to the universe using the numbers they give us in Loki, which is 616. But I agree, Miguel calls it 199999. So it can be confusing.

[@Comic_Geek2001]

Small theory, so in comics, before secret wars (2015) the multiverse followed the branch theory. Then after Secret Wars (2015) Reed Richards reforms the multiverse and his son (Franklin) gives him ideas for different universes. What if that’s the route the MCU is following? Where the multiversal tree is the entire multiverse but after Secret Wars it will be reformed with the parallel multiverse theory and that will then somewhat prevent Kang from being such a dominant force within the multiverse? Theory probably has more holes than Swiss cheese but this is just me connecting it to comics.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love the theory. I do indeed think that after Secret Wars, the multiverse will end up getting reformed into a shape that will prevent future incursions and might even prevent traveling between universes, since I think Feige will want to shut down the idea of variants after Phase 6. So I'm totally with you on that part of your theory 100%. However, I do think that the current Loki tree is just 616 and its branched universes. Here are my thoughts on why: 1. Loki's primary goal after the loom was destroyed was to bring life back to the branches that were in the loom. Since the loom was just 616 and its branches, those were the only ones that needed to be re-invigorated. 2. Since the other universes were not inside the loom (and thus weren't dying), Loki could have actually damaged the other universes by grabbing them and pulling them into his tree. 3. Tying the first two points together...if we consider the monumental task of bringing the 616 branches back to life, then Loki threatened his true mission of fixing the dying branches if he grabbed branches that were not dying and in fact were growing naturally on their own. 4. Pulling in the alternate universes (such as 838, Tobey, Andrew, SSU, etc) would mean Loki was inviting incursions within the tree itself. We know that NWH and MoM almost resulted in massive incursions between 616 and the other alternate universes, so it would be very dangerous if Loki actually grafted those into his tree. 5. While I dearly love the paint universe, I can't imagine Loki wanting a paint branch in his live action tree. Anyway, just my take on it. If you have any thoughts my reasoning, I would absolutely welcome the conversation, as I love learning more about the theories that fellow MCU fans have. And thanks so much for watching the vid and leaving your thoughts. Truly appreciate it!

[@Comic_Geek2001]

@@AbitofEverything4U I bounce back and forth between the branch multiverse and the parallel universe versions. The comics were basically a branch universe. Idk if you’re familiar with the lore but basically there was the Big Bang and then from actions of the Celestials it started branching. As far as I know it seems that after the Secret Wars storyline it’s changed to parallel universe theory. I would say that IF my theory were correct that obviously time is messy so the scenes we see of other universes take place after Loki season 2 even though we’ve seen them before. Basically they take place whenever they need to. Also to go along with the theory that He Who Remains is a a future version of Kang from Quantumania. He said he’s trying to save the multiverse which maybe that’s the TVA? That would make Timely a “backup” variant for when the loom fails. Anywho, that would mean that He Who Remains basically stopped incursions by weaving together the “correct” timelines and keeping all his variants out so they don’t mess with time travel and incursions. And believe me, I think your theory is equally, if not more correct than mine. I just flip flop every so often between the two because both have equal evidence and working theories with them as well. I don’t even think Fiege/Marvel Studios knows how they’re gonna work it yet either. I think the fact that the Netflix shows were added to the timeline a few months after the Guidebook came out shows they aren’t fully communicating as they should be. Hopefully that changes 🤞🏼 but I think both theories here are awesome! Also to go with Loki inviting incursions, I don’t think he was fully aware of that possibility? Can’t remember for sure but idk if those were ever mentioned to him throughout the series? Also his sacrifice was to give freedom, not secure the “multiverse’s” safety. Would love to hear any ideas or counter points to this theory! I am not dying on this hill but I think it’s fun to bounce back and forth between these theories to see which one fits best and/or what pieces of “evidence” fits which theory!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good feedback! So on the Netflix shows...I don't think that's due to Feige not knowing what they were going to do. I think it had to do with contracts and licensing and so they had to act as though DD: Born Again wasn't a "season 4". But once a certain date had been reached, they were able to avoid having to pay the previous creators and could more forward with the earlier shows being canon and it was just too late in the process to add all of that info in the timeline book. Just my take on that, but I don't suspect we'll ever know the full backstory. As for Loki's tree, the biggest reasons I don't think it's the multiverse are the reasons I mention in my earlier reply. Loki's focus was saving the dying branches that were in the loom. There is no reason for him to go elsewhere and grab a paint or cube or animated timeline that wasn't dying. In fact, he would have risked damaging those universes by ripping them out of whatever cycle they were in and pulling them into his tree. And even if he didn't know they would cause incursions, I think the incursions would immediately happen as the paint branches would be weaving between the live action, for example. I just don't see how it's possible. But all that said, I agree that Marvel hasn't confirmed the answer, so any theory is possible for now. We'll just have to wait and see what we learn...perhaps Deadpool 3 will fill in some of the blanks for us.

[@Comic_Geek2001]

@@AbitofEverything4U you’re probably right regarding the canon status of the Netflix series. Just to play devils advocate for the branch theory, perhaps the Paint and animated universes are branches that happen “after” the events of Loki? Also I guess we don’t fully know if those movies are actually animated in canon. Like What if…? Is obviously supposed to be “live action” but animated due to easier to produce. The animated universe in Multiverse of Madness may have confused us more than necessary. Then again we are shown live action “scenes” in Across the Spiderverse when Miguel shows Miles the sacrifices Spider-Man has to make. Idk I think it may just be more of an inconvenience of connecting all these different films but also it may be more important. Idk I get the feeling that the animated films and movies are meant to be “live action” in their native universe. Perhaps there are animated universes but from what we’ve seen the only one that’s native to being animated is the one that Strange and Chavez travel through briefly like the paint one? Easiest explanation would be that someone did a spell and made the world paint/animated but then again your theory sounds more solid in regard to that. Maybe once we get a crossover of the spiderverse with the live action whoever moves to the other form of film says “this looks so different”! Also I just think that Yggdrasil representing the multiverse makes sense considering it’s supposed to connect all 9 realms. Maybe it connects all universes? Idk, I need Marvel to tell me which theory it is!

[@Comic_Geek2001]

@@AbitofEverything4U okay so I did some backlogging of info. I believe that comics is actually still branch theory. It would fundamentally destroy how Kang works in comics but I digress. So what if in the MCU, Kang is actually from different timelines? As in comics he originates from an alt timeline future and travels back to 616. Basically time traveling lets you travel through the multiverse. The reason it didn’t happen in Endgame (besides plot) is because HWR was in control and it was sort of a closed loop (besides Loki). Idk the more I theorize and take ONLY the info that all the movies have given us, that Yggdrasil is the entire Multiverse. Is there a place to contact you where I can link photos? I could draw it out and put a model to the theory (much like the genius that I’m currently talking to😉). I think this is an excellent discussion to have as while I believe one side more (right now) I also think the other is equally as possible!

[@Riley_C.]

I do think they made it pretty clear in MoM, that Scarlet Witch could’ve solved this in many other ways if it wasn’t for the corruption of the Darkhold. Considering that, I think that even if she used America’s power, she would’ve caused an incursion by being in another universe, destroying 616. That’s what the Darkhold means by it being her destiny to destroy the world, and it was manipulating her mind to make sure the prophecy was fulfilled.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right! I think all of Wanda's decision making in MoM was corrupted by the Darkhold. And that's a very good theory that the ultimate goal of the darkhold was for Wanda to destroy the world. I love that!

[@johnsantos507]

​@@AbitofEverything4UYeah, but our Wanda sees that her sons from 838 are afraid of her.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@johnsantos507 Correct! Yeah, Wanda ended up scaring them.

[@johnsantos507]

@@AbitofEverything4U At least she see the error of her way.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@johnsantos507 Indeed!

[@jeremymorris345]

It still bugs me that ATSV only shows one tree. Because I agree with what you are saying but the movie doesn't show it. The way I interpret the movie is the tree is every numbered universe (616, 1610, 838) and the web of life and destiny just connects the branches (think the Christmas Lights on the tree in What If S2). The Polymultiverse thing would be ever branch on the tree has different timelines. It's basically what you are saying but on one tree. I agree with the multiple tree's model but ATSM contradicts it in my opinion. Though I think we can totally just head canon it to work as the one tree being a mistake.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I go back and forth on what to do about Miguel showing only one tree but then saying it's a polymultiverse. I just don't get how he can say one tree is represents multiple-multiverses, but perhaps your explains addresses it. It also seems strange that the web of life and destiny was so expansive. The tree being so small in comparison to the web seemed very strange to me. But regardless, I was really happy he called it a polymulitverse. So even if the image looks different, the concept seems to match, which is cool. Great feedback on the vid. Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on it!

[@jeremymorris345]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think the tree would just be too big to display properly with the web of life a destiny, that's why it's small. Plus, Sony probably didn't have all the details, so they could only show it as the sacred timeline but sideways.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, that could explain it. But again, I think that fact that Miguel calls it the polymultiverse implies that there is more than one tree. It just seems odd that he would refer to one tree as multiple multiverses. But then again, they called Spider-Man India's universe a "dimension", so it doesn't seem Sony is very good with the terms, tbh.

[@jeremymorris345]

@@AbitofEverything4U I just get the feeling Sony didn't get all the notes and assumed the tree was everything in the Omniverse / Megaverse. Cause It's weird he would show only one tree when talking about everything. In this case, the trunk branches of Infinitely into Universe and each of those branches has Infinite Timeline Branches. It's still functional the same as what the MCU is putting out just on one tree. You could easily just head canon it that Miguel ment multiple and only showed one, which is what I'm going with as if not, it breaks the rules.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

With Sony, it's impossible to tell what they really mean...they are constantly inconsistent. I just know he said polymultiverse and that tree didn't look like a polymultiverse. And the web of life and destiny also expanded way past that tree, which doesn't seem to make sense either. So that's why I feel there may well be more trees and he just didn't show them all. But just my theory. I agree, there are many possible theories.

[@aydam4]

maybe we should rally for a paint universe spin off show - so many interesting stories could be told, who wouldn't want that....

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Preach it! I'll start the go fund me account right now!

[@Solelai]

I am a bit confused tho is Miguel's tech traveling between different anchored timelines/branches on the Sony Multiversal tree . Or is he in short able to do the "impossible" with his tech and travel to different Multiversal Trees Branches like Chavez and Black holes??

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! So I think the fact that Miguel calls it a "poly" multiverse makes me think he is indeed referring to different multiversal trees (i.e. alternate universes). And I suspect he is using his own version of Kang tech to jump between trees. There have even been some recent rumors that Feige wants Miguel and Kang to be working together at some point. The fact that they "glitch" if they don't have the tech makes me think it's a multiversal different tree. Thoughts?

[@Raphentei]

32:36 no no no, the worst line is what comes next "Guys like us should team up." 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL...yes, that PCS has an abundance of terrible lines. Excellent point!

[@Raphentei]

@@AbitofEverything4U Although, often when I go to a new restaurant now I say under my breath "I hope the food's better in this joint..." 😆

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiiiice!

[@RusianSpy]

I normally try to not make long posts, but there was so many good things to comment on, so please forgive me for the length of my post. 1. Agreed, I don’t think they cover the multiverse, I feel like He Who Remains would keep them isolated from the others. 4. And 5. While your answer does make sense, I don’t think I like the idea that her powers prevent her from branching. She says she knows because she doesn’t dream, but I rarely dream either, and I don’t think I’m a Star Warrior. My sleeping issues are presumably due to not enough REM sleep, which could easily be the case for her since she lives a rough lifestyle. I guess I could accept her answer if we’re saying the MCU isn’t canon to the Marvel multiverse, but I don’t really like that either. 7. This to me is why Agents of SHIELD is so important to keep in canon, because it perfectly showcases how the Darkhold works. The Darkhold DOES give you an answer, but it may not be the best answer for you, but the best answer for it. Otherwise she had so many better options, including just recreating the Hex. 8. I think you’re right. You can’t go to 838 or what have you because you have no idea which way to go. The entrance is there…but you’d never know where it is. 10. I think the TVA has to govern multiple timelines, otherwise I’m not sure how you explain Alligator Loki, Sylvie, etc. 11. So one of the cool things about this is we know the Infinity Stones were made of bigger “ingots”, so presumably over the years people were filing down or taking bits of the stones. Maybe to build the containers like the Tesseract, maybe to fit into weapons, or maybe even to make monoliths that time travel, who knows… 12. Wow, this was mind-blowing. Very good find. 13. Admittedly the whole canon event stuff kind of throws me off and seems kind of weird, so I like the answers you’ve given here. BTSV just needs to follow through on it. 14. Your impression makes this whole video worth it. XD If you read all this, thank you for indulging, and thank you for making the video, it really helps make sense of a lot of details.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...that was some awesome feedback on the vid! On 4 and 5, I agree, I want Marvel to share alot more about America. She's a fascinating character and there is so much I want to know about how her powers work. On #10, I did a vid on the Loki variants, in case you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJOcYqOClp6bf7s. I think the chaos theory is my favorite choice. And on 13, I agree, the canon stuff is strange and I suspect we'll learn alot more about it when BTSV arrives. Excellent feedback. Thanks so much for taking the time to share it all!

[@Robert-fr4it]

It all makes sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Whew! Glad it made sense. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your feedback...those were some really creative questions people asked!

[@wyatttulk4744]

30:20 I don’t believe Miguel traveled to an alternate universe. I believe he traveled to a branch universe and broke the canon within that universe, also known as an absolute point in what if with strange supreme. in that episode we witness and an incursion similar to what happens in Miguel’s branch universe that he travels to. I’m just curious of what you think about this and why you didn’t bring that up in the video?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theory. You could very well be correct. I guess the reason I didn't view it as being an absolute point is that in the Dr. Strange episode, he tried to go into the past and alter an event that was the entire reason that led to his getting the ability to go into the past. So it would be like trying to go into the past and kill his own mother. Basically, he was trying to undue something that made him who he was in the first place. Miguel on the other hand didn't try to re-write the past, but instead he just tried to live out the life of someone that had died. So it didn't feel like he was creating an impossible loop similar to Dr. Strange. But just my take on it. You could be right that it was a canon event. I'm just a little bit suspicious about Miguel's algorithm. But we'll find out soon when BTSV arrives. I can't wait! Also, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. I truly appreciate it!

[@elviswalters2648]

Do you think that glitching and time slipping are somehow connected? I know they look different but you did mention how things look different in live action and comic universes. I also think that maybe glitching has something to do with the collider. Like you said, traveling through America’s portals or Dr Strange’s spells are different forms of travel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it is really interesting how time slipping and glitching have alot in common. You do have to wonder if there's a connection. Also, I like your theory that the glitching could be tied to the collider event. Really hoping that for BTSV they can try to start bringing things together even more. There are so many great possibilities for how it can all connect!

[@TheMattLuigi]

About different ways of how the multiverse works in different movies, we can explain it all away as it’s just different. For example time travel works very different in the Fox Xmen universe then the MCU. However we all assume the Xmen universe is canon to the MCU multiverse since we are getting Deadpool 3. What if in some universes, just like how we have a paint universe, things just work a little bit different and the sience doesn’t quite match up?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree 100%...and I think the perfect way to explain it is the infinity stones work differently across the multiverse. So the stones in the X-Verse allow that special type of time travel...the stones in the paint universe create a paint reality...the stones in the spider-verse make people glitch, etc. Wil be interesting if they end up using that type of explanation down the road.

[@edrick106]

About question 11, what about the scene in Infinity War when Wanda destroys the mind stone from Vision? Shouldn't that destroy everyone's minds as well? I know Thanos brings it back right after that, but still.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question...my guess is that similar to Thanos, Wanda wasn't able to destroy the mind stone either and that it was reduced to atoms, but you're right that they never confirmed that. Excellent observation!

[@23heltar]

Great video as always very informative and answers some of my questions however I still have a few more 1. If branches of 616 count as the Multiverse then why is DSMOM called Multiverse of madness rather than Megaverse of madness since he travels to other universes instead of the branches 2. If Kang Came up with the 616 designation then why does 838 Christine also use it for Stephens Universe she shouldn’t have anything to do with kang or the TVA, why not a different designation like Miguel did. 3. Is there only one set of infinity stones per multiverse or per branch universe because if it’s only per universe how did infinity ultron get the whole set as well as Thanos. Hopefully we get these answers sometime also id love to see a what if episode or season that explore branches off 838 or a different universe than 616 maybe even the paint one.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback. Okay, here are my thoughts: 1. Terminology has been a massive issue during the multiverse saga. I do think it's ultimately an issue of so many projects going on at once. I mean, What If calls each episode a new universe even though a What If branch is the same as a Nexus Point in occurring Loki, and in Loki they called them timelines. So I think they have also used multiverse to mean two things. The Watcher calls the What If branches off 616 "the multiverse" and yet 838 is also referred to as part of the multiverse but clearly isn't part of the 616 tree as it isn't "anchored" to 616. Ugh. So I gave up on trying to synchronize the terms and instead focused on the overall concepts. I discuss that alot more in the vid I mentioned that goes over everything we know about the multiverse: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPcpIioo9eZo6s. 2. Regarding Christine, my guess is that since Christine was aware of the multiverse and of 616 in particular, then she used the same numbering that was being used already. Dr. Selvig and then Mysterio both used the 616 numbering. As for Selvig, the timeline book credits him with being the first to use it, but the book doesn't tell us why he used it. My thought is perhaps HWR left hidden indicators of the number out of pride. Basically his own Easter Egg for anyone in 616 to find. And if anyone could find it, it would be Selvig for sure! 3. I cover the Infinity Ultron situation in the earlier vid. The What If episodes are each branches off of 616. So each branched universe has its own set of stones, but they are derived from the original stones in 616. You might be interested in checking out my video focusing specifically on how What If ties in with the overall multiverse: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n57NiHaIhth7oac. And thanks for sharing all the excellent feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@lw1391]

Cap meeting and fighting himself might not be a problem because old him just figured it was Loki imitating him. Even the 'Bucky is alive' part he might have just disregarded. At that point he'd seen Loki shapeshift and do some light mind control. But you're right about Hail Hydra and Starlord. Even though the Starlord situation was already weird because shouldn't Rhoady + Nebula have run into Ronan's guys (Korath etc) via the original timeline?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I always wondered why Rhodey and Nebula didn't run into Korath and company. Maybe Korath did get there when Nebula collapsed after Rhodey bolted? But yeah, that's a great point!

[@lw1391]

@@AbitofEverything4U thanks! There's also something fun about imagining Star-Lord shaking off a concussion and immediately going right into dance moves on an alien planet. That would totally be in character for him too. 🤣

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Indeed!

[@bizzybrown5701]

Do you think Beast or some other character will break this down in Deadpool 3 and maybe Doctor Strange 3 or Shang Chi 2?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

A Beast tutorial on the multiverse would be epic!

[@TheMattLuigi]

Now that the Defender saga is part of the MCU, but not Agent Carter or Agents of Shield, do you think those latter shows are part of the multiverse or just not canon?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I am beginning to think that AC, AoS, Inhumans, Runaways, C&D and Helstrom are indeed branches off the sacred timeline. But I also think Feige could change that if he wanted to. So we'll have to see if he officially declares anything else to be sacred timeline canon in the future. Fingers crossed!

[@chexrnsfica]

What if the what if watcher is the original sin version of the watcher 🤔🤔🤔

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool theory!

[@chexrnsfica]

@@AbitofEverything4U yea but my man josh nerdvengers put me on to your channel and I believe Alot and agree with your explanation very hard very strongly

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Josh is such a cool dude. That was so nice of him to stream my video on his channel. Great to have you here!

[@chexrnsfica]

@@AbitofEverything4U are you going to do Deadpool wolverine break dow Easter and hugs and the call backs cameos and all the different variants Deadpool and wolverine?please

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I should probably do that. It's so hard to do without access to the movie, but I should give it a shot. There were so many epic jokes and easter eggs in the movie!

[@henhenhennyhenhen]

Well, I'm not sure how the MCU multiverse got here, but it's has to do with spider-man I think.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Epic comment!

[@daltonswink3256]

I’m gonna go back and finish some other videos of yours for more context, but I think I fundamentally disagree with the Endgame timelines statement. We saw one of those branches get pruned at the beginning of Loki!! That would mean the TVA is instrumental in the time heist in order to preserve the Sacred Timeline. Don’t ask me how Steve was then able to put the stones back where they belonged 😂 I guess we’ll have to wait on that Special Presentation

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! I should have clarified that I just mean the branches created by the Avengers themselves were supposed to happen...i.e. 2012, 2013, 2014 and 1970 branches. When Loki then created a branch off of their 2012 branch, the TVA did indeed come in to prune that additional branch. But my assumption is that when they pruned Loki's branch off the original 2012 branch, it left the Avengers 2012 branch intact. Man, that was one messed up sentence! lol!

[@maskerriz2616]

People seem to overthink the fact there is a He Who Remains and Victor Timely... but He Who Remains never once stated he was from the sacred timeline (the 616)... basically, in the first multiversal war the kang variant from the timeline which would end up becoming the sacred timeline was victor timely from 1893... He Who Remains and OB used his work to create the technology in the TVA, and the victor timely we see in Loki came from a branched timeline because he was given the TVA manual that OB had written after the first multiversal war 😉So when OB says his work was based on victor timely's, he doesn't mean the victor in front of him... hes referring to the original version of the victor in front of him. Also my theory on the America Chavez debate is that she will have a greater purpose within the multiverse due to a, or multiple, much more powerful entities. Meaning there is probably something very unique about her in the sense that universes can't branch whilst she is present... could actually be a good plot device to be fair.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent theory on Victor and HWR. I'd be down for that being the answer. And yeah, it is a very interesting concept to consider that it might be possible that a universe simply can't branch if America is in it. That would be very cool if that was part of the overall plot for Secret Wars. Great feedback on the vid. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@javierchairez2045]

I thoughts is Miguel will be the villain in beyond the spider verse, because he is controlling the spider verse so that he let the universes die.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I'm thinking he's going to end up being the villain in BTSV, as he has an incorrect understanding of canon events and, as you point out, he is letting the universes die when it isn't necessary for them to die. Great feedback on the vid!

[@hunterterrell5735]

I think Wanda going after Chavez is because of option two of the Darkhold possessing her, and if she could've checked the possibilities she would've likely only checked around the Westview Anomaly, where there couldn't be a way for Billy and Tommy to exist outside of it. And Technically, 616 Vulture was right about Spider-Man being the reason he was there. Just the wrong Spider-Man😅

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice! You're right...616 Vulture was brought there due to Spider-Man...just not the one he thought! Well said! 🤣

[@MatthewK122]

Hope Mcu have their own Illuminati with other members from different universes

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That would be amazing if that happened. I agree, I hope Marvel does that!

[@paulzbylut6770]

yet another banger video! i wish i could have a new one of these everyday. the morbius post credit scene is the bain of my existence, so its nice that you were able to make some sort of explainer for it. that said thgh, were would he have gotten the wing suit? its a different one than in homecoming, yet there was no NY alien attack in the venom verse for him to build it. i guess its just disheartening to find out that marvel and sony aren’t working together after years of thinking marvel had this massive plan. nope just winging it. so then for sony to grab on and try to milk it and attach their crappy movies to the mcu really sucks.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...that Vulture PCS is bad on so many levels. Yeah, his outfit makes no sense...plus why would he want to talk to Morbius in the first place. Ugh. Soooooo bad!

[@seanharvey5336]

Just an observation, Captain America thought he was fighting Loki, not another version of himself. And then he had the mind stone in the scepter used on him. The hydra guys would’ve probably blamed it all on Loki as well. It would be the logical conclusion. Just my thoughts.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good feedback on the vid! Yeah, I mean we could probably excuse away some of the insanity of the time heist as not having a big impact to the overall timeline, but it seems from Scott Lang's book (which they are treating as canon) as well as the official timeline book that they did indeed go to different timelines. I like that so much better, as it seem alot cleaner. But I still want to know how Steve returned the stones. Some day Marvel needs to tell us that story. Would be so cool to see!

[@seanharvey5336]

@@AbitofEverything4U Steve returning the stones should be the next saga 🤣🤣🤣. At least a Disney + special 🙏🏽.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Preach it!

[@coolerkerl8469]

There have to be more than 1 America Chavez actually because atleast in lego marvel super heroes 2 there is a different version of her and that game is connected to the MCU Multiverse through ATSV

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! So, I'm still not sure how much Feige and Sony are working together and so I don't know if either group wants their storylines connected. I'm operating under the assumption that they will connect at some point, but due to the fact that they haven't been actively working together along the way, we may have some small issues like the Lego America Chavez. I do think Marvel is treating America as though she's the only one, but maybe they'll address the lego issue down the road. Fingers crossed!

[@coolerkerl8469]

@@AbitofEverything4U I don't think they will adress lego America tbh 😂 but we will have to see

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'd love a lego character to show up in Secret Wars. That would be epic!

[@coolerkerl8469]

@@AbitofEverything4U Same!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@aptak7518]

So if incursions are caused when matter from foreign universes alters the chain of events too much, then shouldn't the Venom symbiote remnant be causing an incursion? So since it hasn't yet, it either means it hasn't found a host or caused any mayhem, or the SSU is a branch of 616, right? Also, on an unrelated note, could one travel back 50 years, creating a branch, then travel back to the original timeline but only 30 years in the past, not 50? Would that create another branch? Basically can you go back to your home branch at any point before when you left? Another unrelated note, when the Watcher interacts with a universe, does this create a new branch? Or was he always part of that universe's history? I'd assume the latter since otherwise Infinity Ultron would've destroyed the multiverse and uatu couldn't have actually helped. And can the Watcher travel back to the same point in a universe multiple times? Would he see multiple copies of himself? What does his 5th dimensionality affect? What if Uatu didn't happen to be watching when Ultron started his invasion? He clearly doesn't know things until he actually watches them, just based off how often he seems surprised. Maybe he's just so powerful he could save the multiverse no matter what threat developed and no matter how quickly he noticed. And who is the Watcher even talking to? It can't be Loki because of how often he says "in your universe" and Loki's universe diverged in 2012 so all the episodes taking place after that wouldn't make sense to him. Also what happens in the other branches of NWH when Strange casts his spell? Would every branch get their own copy of Toby and Andrew? Could this cause the Toby an Andrew universes to form another branch so there's always enough versions of them for every branch of NWH? How was Captain America able to travel back to the Endgame branches to return the stones? Shoudln't that create another branch off the branch? One with the stone and one without? This doesn't affect the plot but it makes the Avengers look stupid. I don't see why the TVA can't just prune the branch if it needs to. I do think Strange's spell can reasonably pull people from across the multiverse since we know the whole magic system draws its energy from the multiverse and since every single version of the Darkhold was linked to the Mount Wundagore Temple on 616. although, how was it possible every other Darkhold disappeared? MoM doesn't take place on the Sacred Timeline, so it's just like any other 616 branch now. Surely in the roughly 11 months since the last point DEFINITELY on the sacred timeline (the avengers entering the quantum realm for the time heist in oct 2023), SOME branch has resulted in the temple's destruction by Nov 2024, which would result in the destruction of Sinister Strange's, wouldn't it? I think the better explanation for Sinister Strange's book 's destruction is that it was currently linked to 616 through the dreamwalking, and that somehow leads to a magical connection leading to its destruction. Overall, I think Marvel's making a mistake differentiating between branched timelines and separate universes, but I'm always biased towards any model where the time travel was always meant to happen (1 loop) since I don't like the Conservation of Energy argument for the alternate reality model where creation of alternate realities simply reduces the amount of energy stored by each atom in every universe, conserving energy. I also don't think America Chavez fits in any theory well at all.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...now THAT was alot of questions. I'll try to answer them all as best I can, but it is worth noting that any fantasy story starts to run into issues if we think too hard about it. But here goes: 1. My guess with the Venom symbiote remnant is that due to Venom's connection to the hive mind, he therefore doesn't cause incursions. Will be interested to see if they go that direction or not. 2. I've always wondered about your question about if you travel back 50 years, creating a branch, then travel back to the original timeline but only 30 years in the past, not 50, what would happen. My guess is that since it's still in your overall past, that it creates a branch. Otherwise, your actions could impact your future self, which is what Hulk said can't happen. 3. I am assuming the Watcher can jump between branched universes w/o creating a new branch due to his being a 5th dimensional being. 4. If the Watcher traveled back to the same point in a universe multiple times then he might see himself, similar to how Loki saw himself while timeslipping. 5. You asked what if Uatu didn't happen to be watching when Ultron started his invasion, which raises a bigger question of whether he is able to watch everything at once. Being a 5th dimensional being, he might be able to see everything happening across all branches. His surprise was more due to the fact that Ultron could see him. 6. They haven't told us who the Watcher is talking to. He did the same thing in the comics. He just seems to be talking to the viewer, ig? 7. It's unclear if it created new branches when everyone was returned in NWH, but I kinda assume so. If Green Goblin was able to save himself, then it would have altered Tobey's timeline. So I think they all created branches when they returned. 8. As for how was Captain America able to travel back to the Endgame branches to return the stones...we all want to know that. Please, Marvel, give us the answer! My guess is he is able to go back to the same point in time, as it isn't altering his past to do that. Then, he returns the stones and it likely clips the branch altogether. 9. As for why the TVA didn't just prune the branches, it's possible that they did prune them after Steve returned the stones, if the branches didn't go away on their own. 10. The issue with Strange's spell is that while it clearly can pull people form across the multiverse, it isn't something he can control and it also creates incursions. So it is very different from what America can do. 11. Regarding how the Scarlet Witch was able to destroy every Darkhold copy, I think she used her Darkhold to destroy all the Darkholds. 12. Based on how the timeline book is written, I think MoM is considered to be part of the sacred timeline, even though HWR is dead at that point. The "sacred" timeline continued moving forward and it of course branches as we see in What If, but is still likely considered the original (or sacred) timeline. 13. I apologize, but I don't understand your question about how roughly 11 months since the last point DEFINITELY on the sacred timeline (the avengers entering the quantum realm for the time heist in oct 2023), SOME branch has resulted in the temple's destruction by Nov 2024, which would result in the destruction of Sinister Strange's, wouldn't it? 14. I don't mind Marvel differentiating between branched timelines and separate universes, but I do hope they attempt to simplify the story as much as possible going forward.

[@aptak7518]

@@AbitofEverything4U For question 13, I meant that we know from in Loki when Renslayer says "What the Avengers did was supposed to happen" that the time heist was supposed to happen. I interpreted this to mean that everything we see in the MCU up until the time heist was part of the Sacred Timeline. Then of course the events of Loki take place outside the timeline and the multiverse branches off the sacred timeline. So in my question, I meant that anything before the time heist is all we know to be Sacred Timeline. We don't technically know if anything that happens in MCU 616 after the time heist was part of the sacred timeline, meaning its existence is just as valid as any other branch's. And even if main events were on the Sacred Timeline, some smaller details might exist differently now but without the branch being pruned. So from the perspective of MCU 616, the multiverse wasn't accessible until after endgame, which is confirmed by Feige when he said the events of Loki led into NWH and Mom. Now that infinite branches exist, I'm saying that surely in at least one of those branches, the Darkhold would have been destroyed in the 11 months since the time heist, which would result in the destruction of all Darkholds. Even if Wanda used her magic to do it, surely one version of Wanda in the infinite branches would have done that by then. I think the only way to make sense of this is that Wanda could destroy Sinister Strange's since he was dreamwalking and connecting the two universes, meaning most branches still have Darkholds. Sorry if that was confusing, I totally understand how my original question was confusing. I with Marvel would just flat out explain everything to us, between canonicity, timelines, branches, universes, multiverse vs megaverse, the watchers, nexus being like America, and different methods of time travel, maybe just have Deadpool break the 4th wall LOL.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah, I'm following you now. So my guess is that Feige still considers the shows and movies after Endgame to be sacred timeline. I agree that HWR is no longer pruning the extra branches off 616, but the timeline that HWR had referred to as "sacred" has continued on after Endgame and that's what we are following in the MCU. The timeline book also seemed to consider the timeline post Endgame to be what was originally called the Sacred Timeline. As for whether the some version of the Scarlet Witch that branched off of 616 after WandaVision destroyed all the Darkholds, ig the answer is that it didn't happen. I agree that it could have happened, but based on what we see in MoM, it simply didn't. Anyway, I totally agree that Marvel needs to do a better job of explaining everything. Hopefully that will happen soon. Thanks for all the great comments on the vid!

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

I video i can watch without being spoiled 😮

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Here 4 U!

[@Herokalla]

Hmmm I think America can't effect Nexus events because she doesn't cause incursions so either a Nexus point could never involve her or if it didn't nothing would happen 🤷🏻

[@Herokalla]

Like she just wouldn't be in the branch

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think both of those solutions could work. Nice call!

[@CalebHolshouser]

I have a question for you. Do you believe that the Celestial War caused the Big Bang cause I did some research and found out about a civil war between the Celestials, the point is they were obviously around before the world was made and in Guardians of the Galaxy when the Collector is explaining the Infinity Stones we see an image of a Celestial with the power stone. My question is was it the Celestials that started the Big Bang or did they create the Infinity Stones

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a great question...we don't have an answer for how the MCU approaches that topic, as we only know that the Celestials existed prior to the big bang. I do like the idea of a way between the Celestials prior to the big bang, and if Marvel goes that direction, I'd be down for it!

[@srstriker6420]

Well I do wonder about what is this Canon thing like does it include that everyone who is a friend of a spider person is going to become a villain?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the canon event concept is fascinating and I can't wait to see where they take it in BTSV. I mean, you could be right that it's a canon event that a friend of spider-man becomes a villain. It seems to happen quite alot!

[@srstriker6420]

@@AbitofEverything4Uyes and it’s getting repetitive as I really think Peter should have a friend who is loyal to him unlike those other guys who claim to be his friend and in Across the spider Verse that Spider Gwen’s dad turned down the promotion so what really happened to Miguel and his daughter?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...It would be nice for Peter to have a true friend that he can trust. As for Miguel and his daughter, I don't know that they told us what happened to his own daughter. They just said he went to a world that still had his family in it and that caused the destruction of that world. So my guess is that his own daughter died somehow before he went to that other world?

[@srstriker6420]

@@AbitofEverything4Uwell I wish that will be the third movie as what happened to earth 42 Peter Parker as well as how Earth 42 Miles Morales got so twisted

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, would be cool to see that in the 3rd movie!