Spider-Man: Homecoming is a Bad SPIDER-MAN Movie (Video Essay)

Yet another Spider-Man Video Essay, this one is actually a Spider-Man: Homecoming Video Essay. This Video Essay is titled why Spider-Man Homecoming is a Bad Spider-Man Movie. This is the 5th Spider-Man Video Essay HiTop Films has done, I'm losing my mind. Spider-Man 2 Chocolate Cake, Civil War v. Justice League, Fixing Spider-Man 3, Fixing The Amazing Spider-Man 2, I don't know if I can take it anymore. What did you guys think of Spider-Man Homecoming? How many times can I type Spider-Man in the description before you notice. What is your favorite Spider-Man Movie, mine is still Spider-Man 2. Will the algorithm notice HiTop Films yet? Does anybody even read the description of a video essay. Well, anyways...
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[@bruhyougottachill6665]

“No life is easy for anybody” Stan lee 1922-2018

[@ImJayy583]

RIP LEE U WILL AWAYS BE REMEMBERED

[@davidkane6145]

@@ohboy7061 Yeah well you think wrong ;)

[@blokvader8283]

@@ohboy7061 Stan Lee: Dont make me come down there you punk!!!

[@powsidocx]

Unless you're tony starks son you'll have everything

[@serpentjuicee]

@@ohboy7061 what do you mean!??!!?

[@dylanwebster2656]

Just to be clear y’all, he’s not saying it’s not a good movie, he’s saying it’s not a good *spiderman* movie

[@5usp3c7]

Watch the Jay Exci video on this guy

[@spider-man6932]

@@5usp3c7 exactly

[@dexter2178]

@@spider-man6932 nah bruh that video is shit, mcu Spider-Man is a disgrace to the comics

[@Jdudec367]

@@dexter2178 nah

[@mrbust999]

It's a bad movie in general, I don't care how true they are to the comics. It just needs to be a good movie.

[@bradwoods371]

The Raimi films may be corny, but they nailed all the fundamentals that make Spider-man, Spider-man.... and Danny Elfman went hard as hell on that soundtrack.

[@Saxpunch]

This. 100% this.

[@ComicContent2002]

I wouldn’t say they’re corny, just a little older, but yes they’re great

[@umichandesu]

Except they did not entirely!

[@bramsteenhoek2674]

Homecoming actually nailed the part about Spiderman kind of believing in himself and saving the day.

[@UchihaxItachixx]

@@bramsteenhoek2674 lolno.

[@Randomperson-nz8gb]

INSOMNIAC'S SPIDERMAN IS THE BEST SPIDERMAN SINCE SPIDERMAN 2 Edit: Let's add Spiderman: into the Spiderverse into the list

[@FOREEAL]

Random person I... agree with this...

[@ricouptosumn]

I agree with this

[@angusjeff]

Yahh you're right! :D

[@pivotbros09]

100%

[@collinbtw]

I think the new Spider-man game is the best spider-man game to date, but I also think Ultimate Spider-man was better than spider-man 2.

[@4danzy]

MCU Spiderman is like a beautiful car with no engine

[@bluemeeks9377]

Underrated.

[@logan7020]

Agree with you

[@akhonankosi4704]

An overrated car(bugatti veyron) Correct my spelling if I'm wrong

[@dashinglucifer8576]

@@akhonankosi4704 your spelling is correct

[@ihaveamentalseizurev6555]

Raimi's Spiderman is like a rusty car with a working engine Webb's TASM is like a beautiful car with a broken engine

[@Oceanman705]

now that no way home is out, the mcu trilogy of spiderman movies feels like a cohesive character arc for this version of Peter Parker. Each movie brings him closer to the reality of the consequences of his double life. First with how miserable he made Liz, second with Mysterio betraying him, and now finally making him grow as a superhero with SPOILERS the death of Aunt May in no way home. Even more so with losing both Ned and Michelle with Dr. Strange's spell at the end. The issue with homecoming is literally because they backed themselves into a corner by having Stark bring up Peter in Civil War. Because of that introduction, Peter was now a significantly carried Spider-Man, which they got rid of in far from home as Stark's death leaves Peter with self-esteem and identity issues. Mysterio's contingency plan makes Peter the most vulnerable he's ever been, which makes no way home the ultimate Spider-Man film, building the Peter Parker we know from the comics and other media over the course of 3 movies, culminating in a finale that really blows the MCU since Endgame, out of the water. Not to say that no way home invalidates this video, but I feel like they definitely capitalized on their rough intro with Spider-Man in the MCU.

[@RedLee20]

SPOILERS Don't forget that at the end, he got a new home and made his own Spider-Man suit. So he no longer even relies on Stark Tech. Its all his own stuff.

[@rorisangramphadile8086]

Yes you are so spot on! The Tom Holland trilogy is just one big origin Story. Individually except no way home, Tom Holland’s Spider-Man movies aren’t amazing Spider-Man movies but in the the grand scheme of things and if put together, they make one big amazing origin story and an amazing Spider-Man trilogy.

[@getsugaallen6612]

@@rorisangramphadile8086 looks like they completely changed the ideas they had for the last movie bc they saw the criticism.

[@Oceanman705]

@Avinash Fernandez you can def still pick up a classic spidey comic that has nothing to do with the mcu. keep crying bussy

[@diongding7377]

@Avinash Fernandez didnt real lol

[@thetriplejjj0177]

Tom Holland: I’m nothing without this suit Tobey Maguire: rain drop are falling on my head

[@aryandairshad]

And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed Nothing seems to fit Those raindrops are falling on my head, they keep falling

[@agentjproductions3718]

@@aryandairshad but there's one thing...

[@anisah2066]

@@agentjproductions3718 I know...

[@beebear4541]

@@anisah2066 the blues they send to meet me

[@saulshlosberg1020]

*agrees* I adore the Raimi trilogy, that sequence was the best part of the whole series

[@duiduelist5449]

One of the fundamental characteristics of Peter Parker is self-improvement. He makes mistakes, terrible ones that'll stay with him forever, and accepts them to his very core. As a result, he gets a little better, he improves and grows. Yup, totally typed this in 3 seconds.

[@xnenxnly]

The Amazing Spider-Man in a nutshell.

[@v.rprasad5377]

@@xnenxnly was that a joke?

[@xnenxnly]

@@v.rprasad5377 was it?

[@v.rprasad5377]

@@xnenxnly I think it is.

[@xnenxnly]

@@v.rprasad5377 ok, then you answered your question.

[@stevied6408]

“If you’re nothing without the suit you don’t deserve it” I think that line would be better in a movie about Iron Man.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

Iron Man 3

[@lordmaniel3603]

did you not watch Iron Man 3?

[@whiskeyopsonps4497]

StevieD True

[@andrewpaden397]

Iron man 3

[@floydian]

@@AzA609 what stevie makes sense because sm doesn't need a fucking suit at all. the guy has superhuman reflexes and can lift a fucking airplane. just give him 2 web shooters and he's good to go.

[@oi7917]

Peter doesn’t have any interaction with pizza Everything’s fine

[@sheeloesreallycool]

I am currently ok with the events that are happening right now. (arm melts)

[@jeffreymartinez4386]

@@sheeloesreallycool Man of culture

[@PaulTheInnocent]

🤣🤣

[@Tommedian]

*pizza time*

[@PixelInsights1]

No...its...NOT

[@themadtitan7603]

Agreed Homecoming as a film is a great movie, but as a Spider-Man movie it's pretty flawed. Like in Spider-Man PS4 shows how you could make a good Spiderman story with all the themes like responsibility and balancing his hero and personal life without needing to give him an unnecessary high-tech suit or being dependent on another hero.

[@dasik84]

In Spider-Man PS4 he is 23 and has 8 years of experience. In Homecoming he is 15 and has 8 months of experience. Seeing the difference? And he got the AI only because he hacked the suit. Tony didn't want him to use it.

[@IndecisiveJR]

Mike Dasik 8 months is still enough time to be at least competent. Spider-Man in the comics didn’t take almost a year to figure out how to be Spider-Man. Sure he wasn’t perfect but he was way more competent than Holland. By 8 months he should be able to at least catch a car of just random criminals.

[@quietdemon8138]

Mike Dasik compare the consequences though insomniac’s Peter by the end should be completely shattered as a person ... but he picks himself back up, puts on the costume and goes back to protecting the city and granted while Holland’s Peter does the same at the end the other element of consequence is virtually nonexistent.

[@themadtitan7603]

@@dasik84The A.I being there in the first place is the problem, when I first watched Civil War, I didn't see Tom Holland, I saw Peter Parker/Spider-M and when Tony gave him the suit I thought he just gave him a better looking suit and advanced the already impressive technology created by Peter but then came Homecoming we have 500+ web combinations ? Am okay, Instant kill mode, ah okay ? An then an A.I the suit just becomes an Ironman suit re painted as a Spidey suit even if it was only part of the training wheels protocol but still it's there.

[@themadtitan7603]

@@dasik84 Also let's be honest even though he goes through some consquences in the film it never truly affected him or his loved ones I mean he literally just walks out of detention. Compare that to the consquences he goes through in Spiderman 2 or Spider-Man PS4. If they wanted it to add comedy in the film they could have added the humorous abundant of consequences that Alex speaks about in this video.

[@Boomer_Schooner_24]

I love Tom holland as spiderman. He a heart good kid who is awkward , lonely , but I see your point , iron man doesn't define spiderman , uncle ben does, feels like Peter parker forgot the great power comes great responsibility.

[@AtulSingh-uu9vt]

When Peter first meets Tony he says "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen? They happen because of you." This means the same as with great power comes great comes responsibility. He goes after Toomes in HoCo and later helps strange and Tony in IW despite Tony telling him not to as he believed in this.

[@emerald7365]

Why did you write it like that

[@Boomer_Schooner_24]

@@emerald7365 i just think Peter parker should mention uncle Ben he is the one who tought him to be a hero

[@emerald7365]

@@Boomer_Schooner_24 yeah definetly

[@fatihlatifoski1978]

Tom Holland dosent even seem like a spiderman he seems more like a iron boy Jr and also he is supposed to be saving everybody when he leaves everybody die and try to get this one girl which dosent make him a spiderman

[@Deyone_Jackson]

The Spider-Man PS4 story... that should've been a movie instead of Homecoming and Far from Home, I mean even the title of those movies sound ridiculous🤷🏻‍♂️

[@m.muradbasic4186]

Deyone Jackson those are the titles that „teenager can relate to these days“

[@Deyone_Jackson]

@@m.muradbasic4186 Spider-Man Homecoming -> Spider-Man Far from Home -> Spider-Man Homeless.....

[@zot93X]

The marvel studios movies are really one giant series, and Tony Stark is the main character.

[@FocusMrbjarke]

how? spoilers: he died

[@docblade3270]

Sad, but true, a third rate, son of a bitch caracter that everybody use to hate turn in to the star of the marvel universe because his first movie was marvel first sucess!

[@jarylaftnot8504]

MrOkayBar thats also what makes homecoming bad

[@res.5116]

crazy how now 3 years later NWH really fleshed out the concept of consequences for MCU peter on such a large scale.

[@SteamGrace]

"But Tom Holland is actually a highschooler!" Spider-Man stopped being a highschooler in the 90's. It's time to- what's that? Spider-Man started college in the 60's? He was a highschooler for only around 30 issues? Ooooh.

[@PeterParker-iy4vs]

Ironboy Jr.

[@PeterParker-iy4vs]

He prefered to be Ironman Jr., rather than to be spiderman.

[@PeterParker-iy4vs]

Yes you're right *Sike*

[@zack-mavin200]

@cjentertains don't even try to compare the ultimate Spider-Man one of the greatest comics to Tom's garbage

[@zack-mavin200]

@cjentertains yeah well I guess they are doing a terrible job at it the ultimate Spider-Man is way better and responsible

[@ShaneMakesMovies]

"Everything's fine" Yup, that actually sums it up. That's an idea/phrase that shouldn't be anywhere CLOSE to Spider-Man/Peter Parker. He is in a constant state of struggle, confrontation, heartbreak and attempting to overcoming said challenges. That's what makes him interesting and inspiring....and...a person. Homecoming is fine as just pure entertainment, but the true Spidey he is not.

[@memoaustin7151]

@Dom Bob well duh, hes iron man 2.0 and iron man had no secret identity, far from home probably ends with a scene where he reveals in a press conference that he is spiderman and then the movie cuts to the classic spiderman song.

[@iCat4Ever]

he is tho, i mean it’s your opinion i won’t get defensive about toms spider man bc of opinions but i think he’s just about girls and he’s so hot 😂 and it’s a completely different peter, i was a baby when spider man starting toby was around and that’s probably why i prefer home coming, you guys feel nostalgic and it’s alright, i saw homecoming before and then watched all the other marvel movies 😂

[@andrewjonas6437]

@@iCat4Ever I watched the trilogy and homecoming, and I'm in nowhere as you said nostalgic. It just seems holywood is trying to remake spiderman but fails every time because a bar has been set. Personally I wanted to see more action and villain fighting but got in return too much chitchat and a weak villain that sells weapons and wants money and a spiderman that drowns -_-

[@gelibeanz_]

I’ve never found someone I agreed with so much on these movies👌🏼 and I’m so late to this too hahah

[@WL1264]

He's wrong tho

[@gibbesultan9608]

9:06 Tom Holland even said it himself “Ironman junior” that’s what the mcu Spider-Man is. The next Ironman.

[@paulmajano]

That’s what I will always call him

[@sciencebeing6134]

Thus , not a good spider-man.

[@thabisodlamini9119]

@@paulmajano me too

[@theworldischanging71]

Have u seen far from home??

[@Muksss]

Down 4 Raimitard...

[@melvinsamson5684]

Tobey's Spider- man and the Spectacular Spider-Man... The gold standards of Spidey

[@lil_Dreamer_139]

What about PS4 Spider-Man?

[@krm1930]

Tbh, raimi spiderman overrated... he got me into spiderman but is definetly nowhere near the best spiderman. Ps4 spidey and spectacular spiderman are the best for me

[@myblasterproductions]

@@krm1930 stop talking

[@krm1930]

@@myblasterproductions so I cant have an opinion raimi fanboy?

[@thatkidkawaii1965]

@You Cant Handle The Truth! go grab so grass ya butthurt rami fanboy

[@GAMER-go8zl]

So...you got demonetized. *sits in chair

[@odindank5934]

this comment is my everything

[@sterisk7743]

I can't find my old comment, but it went among the lines of "I hope they fix this, on the next movie." I gotta say. I have made a severe and continuous lapse of my judgement. And I do expect to be forgiven. I'd rather watch where peter is happy and nothing happens. Instead, of seeing him deal with the fact that his girlfriend/wife had sex with another man and had 2 kids, while he constantly gets hated by all his friends and loved ones. If I wanna see some realistic tradegy, where the mc can't take a break, then I'd read my diary. Im sick of being reminded that the world is a shitty place. When I just wanna see a man who can lift cars and crawl on walls, be a hero and possibly die while everyone knows he's a hero. L video. L statement. Me now press dislike so me satisfy past self urge.

[@nathyngoss3132]

This movie doesn't seem to understand the responsibility aspect of Spider-Man which is easily the most important. The only reason he is Spider-Man in this movie is so that he can get clout from being an Avenger and I hate that, that's not Peter Parker.

[@allthingsanime7413]

thats not the premise of the movie its not an origin story

[@nathyngoss3132]

@@allthingsanime7413 exactly. He's not becoming Spider-Man he already is, which means he should understand that by now but he doesn't

[@roggiepogi211]

@@nathyngoss3132 and the fact that Tom Holland's Peter is so talkative.. man. Fking annoying.

[@VVIASIP]

@@roggiepogi211 Do you not know Spider-Man???

[@destroyerpro3603]

@@roggiepogi211 that’s what Spider-Man is annoying

[@trewpock1711]

The thing with the rami trilogy is that every movie has consequences

[@holdenlinderman3612]

And with TASM there are so many consequences and Peter suffers so much with I honestly enjoy more that all the kiddish stuff

[@fezzy5591]

@@holdenlinderman3612 True💯. I hate the whole Iron Man Jr shit

[@Dimmary]

Spiderman 1 : uncle ben Spiderman 2 : haven't seen it lol and managed not to get spoiled. XD Spiderman 3 his Osborn friend. TASM 1: Uncle ben TASM 2: Gwenn.

[@TeeVee06]

@@Dimmary how have you not seen the best spiderman, and "Osborn friend"?

[@Arma-Dinlo]

The thing with the raimi trilogy is that every movie if fantastic 👍

[@anubhavkumar2354]

Tobey Maguire Spiderman was best portrayal of Spiderman Character. Tom Holland Spiderman portrayal feels bit of Cringe Action Comedy, mostly dialogue.

[@WL1264]

It's you who's out gobby. Out of your mind

[@nedmode9412]

lol no

[@Messiah114]

It had no consequences, it felt like i was watching a cartoon where they explode dynamite right on their face and they are still ok.

[@MrTREEHUNTER22]

I agree with you but I think your analogies pretty funny given that Raimi Spiderman took a grenade to the face and came out pretty fine

[@michael-1453]

@ImDone and in homecoming uncle ben died offscene and everyting was fine.

[@MrTREEHUNTER22]

@@michael-1453 uh no he didn't? He was killed off screen and he probably didn't mean much to Peter given how little the MCU Peter even thinks or talks about him

[@michael-1453]

@@MrTREEHUNTER22 thats my point he died off screen and they did nothing about it in the movie not even a one damm thing

[@MrTREEHUNTER22]

@@michael-1453 oh sorry I misunderstood haha yeah Uncle Ben being ignored is probably the worst part of the movie

[@yourmatetom]

You have some really good points here. I still really liked homecoming (since I'm a Spider-man fanboy :P), but it doesn't come close to the first 2 Raimi films, especially after rewatching it. That being said, this is the first movie in this series, so I still have hope for the future. Not to mention Holland's version of Peter Parker is a kid compared to the other iterations. Great video though, keep it up! :)

[@ianfudo5040]

Cuz... wait for it, hes a kid.

[@andrewgarfield9898]

I wouldn’t get my hopes up if I were u. The next Spider-Man movie LITERALLY takes place minutes after Avengers infinity war so I’m guessing EVERYTHING is gonna revolve around the aftermath of that movie which is disappointing

[@SammyHanson2005]

@Sahnz :D he's not dead Spider-Man far from home is coming 2019

[@1010otep]

what about spiderman 3

[@christophertapia9643]

Andrew Garfield no, the next spider man film is set to be released after the next avengers film and the plot of the new Spider-Man movie has nothing to do with avengers end game

[@chazzq2428]

I'm glad I've found people that share my thoughts on this. I probably could be a Raimi fan boy as well, but Homecoming was kind of a let down for me.

[@dylanlovegrove3731]

Yes!!!!

[@argop4518]

Homecoming was made for ironman fanboys.

[@bigfootwithdecentinterneta2979]

Argo P yes indeed

[@jediprime9498]

This movie has now me appreciate the Amazing spider-man movies a lot more even though there mediocre to me,but these two Tom Holland spider-man have completely ruined the character of spider-man,and there along two of the worst spider-man movie ever made to this day

[@amel3457]

I swear i could remember people saying they didnt want the old origin story with spider bite. uncle Ben exc. They wanted something new. And now when they have the new they want to go back

[@DantesInferno96]

Iron Man was too much involved in the story. The reason I loved the first and second Spider-man movie as well as Garfield's Spider-Man was because they were self made men. They designed their own suits and lived their own lives the best that they could, in those movies. They made mistakes and learned from them. They didn't have a rich guy telling them what not to do(Peter turning down Mr. Osborn's offer for job is one of the best for that reason) and that their aunt is hot. I love Tony Stark and in MCU he's my second favorite after Captain America, but he didn't need to be in a Spider Man movie. I want the focus to be entirely on Peter and his struggles. Plus, the movie was too high school teen drama for me. I mean back when I was 15 or 16, I would've liked a movie about crush problems or peer pressure but at 23, it's hardly relatable. Plus, high school movies age poorly as every generation of teens struggles with something different. Peter Parker in Spider-Man 2 is still very relatable to me because his struggles are greater and beyond himself. Plus, Peter has a very deep relationship with his aunt in 2 which I loved very much. In this movie, it seemed too shallow and unnecessarily comedic.

[@-slice-6103]

Dante's Inferno agreed.

[@henryreinoso4143]

Thank You

[@Waynee87]

Dante's Inferno the entire premise of the movie is about Peter learning to do stuff without Iron Man and rely on himself? I dont get how people don’t see this

[@-slice-6103]

Jack Custer For like.. the last 20 minutes of the movie. That doesn’t make up for the lack of Parker traits. 😂😂

[@DantesInferno96]

@@Waynee87 oh and he did that how? The entire movie seemed to be about Tony. In Avengers he's taken the super advanced AI suit developed for him by Stark's company. You can follow the MCU lore. Even in the newer movie, far from home he's got that suit plus more. The good news is Tony isn't around anymore, so maybe they'll focus more on him like Sony did with the previous ones..RIP Tony though.

[@uservenny84]

The new game tells a better story than Homecoming. This movie focused too much on MCU shit than Spider-Man.

[@JosueGalvan36]

Big facts

[@rossmordaunt3083]

You've got it 100% right. all the avengers bullshit in homecoming overshadows Spider-Man's duties as a hero and makes it feel like he's just a little kid getting in the way. We didn't see a true focused peter Parker story at all.

[@enzosantos2]

They fucking saved the World two times and You want that they were not mencioned? And actually yes its a kid joininig in this superhero World

[@christianhenry4173]

ɳɕɾʘ When Marvel and DC Reboots characters it always messes up point of views they should have released Spiderman4 as Tobey's last Spiderman film it would have been good to watch.

[@christianhenry4173]

ɳɕɾʘ Thank you Disney poisoning the New Millennials Brains on the MCU because it's totally different from Tobey's Spiderman and Comic book Spiderman. By the way comic book Spiderman had way better relationships.

[@milk5002]

Hopefully now that Ironman is dead he’s on his own

[@jadnee]

Safe up Jesus chill why are you so mad

[@milk5002]

Safe up why u mad. I’m just saying since in the mcu Ironman died that means he won’t rely on him anymore

[@ave7949]

Guys maybe safe up hasn’t seen endgame yet idk 😂

[@milk5002]

Avery Birkner oh who tf hasn’t seen it. It’s been 3 months

[@icantthinkofagoodname4130]

Safe up woah chill out

[@Emilobruh]

The problem to me is that when people who like it review the movie, they don’t point out ANY of the flaws

[@kornelltayewilliams5421]

Exactly he doesn't say what makes the movie bad he makes things up sometimes like he didn't point out any flaws that make the movie bad but it's his opinion

[@dikiiieykick1734]

This is a different take on spiderman go and see totally not Mark review on tom movies and just shut up

[@felixgogarty8174]

@@kornelltayewilliams5421 did you even watch the video?

[@kornelltayewilliams5421]

@@felixgogarty8174 yes I did he o ly pointed out 2 things that make it bad and the rest are non sense

[@felixgogarty8174]

@@kornelltayewilliams5421 Okay then you would understand he never says that the movie is bad. He says that the movie is a bad SPIDER-MAN movie in which he is completely correct and raises solid points to back his arguments. Just rewatch the video pls.

[@Southern_Webhead]

When I saw this video, I was ready to call you a Raimi fanboy, but you made a valid point about Spider-Man. “Learn something new everyday” P.S-Everyone who commented on this, chill tf out, nothing is wrong with being a Raimi fanboy. Those movies was my introduction to Marvel movies, I just like Tom a bit more

[@cowstrum5334]

the fact that you wanted to call him anything before you even saw the video is disappointing.

[@TheEnigmaticBM39]

@@cowstrum5334 why and would he be a DC fanboy If he prefers the raimi trilogy Is which marvel?

[@cowstrum5334]

@@TheEnigmaticBM39 did you understand what i replied with yet?

[@MoGulfraz]

I get called a DC fanboy all the time. That's peoples favourite line when you don't like what they like 😂

[@NEARReiCtor8799]

Deadpool DC? Rami fanboy makes sense.

[@aliciamarie3096]

One of his defining characteristics is life hands him a lot of shit, he can never catch a break

[@aliciamarie3096]

@Erik Kemeey ? I don’t understand how your comment is relevant to my comment but okay

[@dikiiieykick1734]

@@aliciamarie3096 So why hating on this one

[@nashbyrd4020]

Its because Homecoming isn't a Spiderman movie. Its an MCU movie with Peter Parker in it. Its honestly kinda disappointing. All your points are definitely true! Of course there's also the point that the story and characters were pretty much completely ripped off of Miles Morales' story, which is why some characters in the new spiderverse movie weren't as fleshed out as they were supposed to be. That plus all the things you pointed out are why im personally not a fan of Homecoming.

[@batmanfan1381]

Everyone asks for Spider-Man to be in the MCU and then complains that it's just Spiderman in the MCU. Also Spider-Man 2 isn't a Spider-Man movie, it's a Peter Parker movie.

[@kidz919]

@@batmanfan1381 you're clearly an idiot

[@chimiwimi8318]

outsiderkid93 he’s an idiot for having an opinion?

[@chimiwimi8318]

AgénT did u just call Andrew Garfield a good Spider-Man

[@unclecharlievevo924]

AgénT Andrew is an amazing actor but I’d rather watch friends then the amazing Spider-Man you have to admit Tom is 100 times better the Andrews

[@TorQueMoD]

Totally agree. Civil war got me SOOOOO excited for a holland Spiderman and then the movie completely let me down. Especially where he's trying to keep the ferry from tearing in half... that scene felt like it was ripped entirely from the train sequence of Spiderman 2.

[@Vleaso]

Why does everyone say this? I don't see a correlation between stopping a train, and pulling to halves of a ferry together.

[@Dmitrieva777]

@@Vleaso because this ''Train Scene'' is Iconic, and Marvel is just trying to replicate the success of Sony, so we can remember some parts of the movie after years

[@Vleaso]

@@Dmitrieva777 But Homecoming also did homage to the previous movies. For example, the monument rescue scene. Spider-Man hung upside down after saving them while being told by Karen to kiss Liz; The scene where Tobey kissed MJ while hanging upside down. And the scene where Liz was the last one trying to get off the elevator, but the elevator loses support, and Liz falls. Peter is lucky to web her hand to catch her; Garfield failed to catch Gwen in the clock tower. I don't think this was an attempt to piggyback on the fame of the other movies, but to just give people a bit of a flashback, which may be why the ferry scene was so reminiscent of the train scene with Maguire. It was the writers' attempt to look back, not replicate success. But hey, maybe that's just an opinion.

[@Dmitrieva777]

@@Vleaso the more people, the more oponions, You might be right, I might be right, everyone is right in some ways.

[@Dmitrieva777]

@@Vleaso im not trying to be hateful, or toxic, or anything negative like that, but i REALLY value when movie has HEART to it, you know?

[@ginjaninja8379]

The new spiderman trilogy was supposed to be his origin story, not just homecoming

[@vesha6274]

Bullshit, that's just an excuse

[@sloggo3374]

@@vesha6274 How? That was the fucking point of the trilogy, to show his origin and how he became spider-man. People like you are so dumb and ignorant

[@ik3a141]

I think spider man fans should accept change. U can't just watch the same movie 30 times

[@laei6391]

MCU Spiderman is literally a "Nah I don't need to watch it anymore because I already know it"

[@username-yc3bd]

@Michael Smirnov ???

[@username-yc3bd]

@@laei6391 already apparent what your opinions are

[@soundbombin23]

That’s why it’s a trilogy journey. No Way Home will show you next level consequences PP/Spidey will have to deal with.

[@jasonhuang1447]

Mild spoiler alert on no way home, but I'm really glad that the most recent movie practically fixed all of these problems you mentioned in homecoming. It made Peter much more grounded as his own hero with actual Spider Man problems, gave him a fresh start, and in a way was a perfect independent origin story that no one thought they needed.

[@radium6962]

I disagree. Homecoming was a fun, great Spider-Man movie. The fact only one person dies in it tells me a lot. The story is about spider man stepping out of iron mans shadow, and the final few scenes. Where he is under rubble, ready to give up, and he uses his will to lift it up it a great comic moment and it works well here. It shows that Spider-Man doesn’t need anybody else’s help, it proves himself as his own hero.

[@OzKo]

If this movie’s about him “stepping out of iron man’s shadow” then why is the next movie about stepping out of iron man’s shadow

[@squanchmastersquanch4376]

This guy speaks truth. Hell even Spiderverse did tremendously better. If Stan was still alive he would say, "Nuff said."

[@flacidhouse350]

Stop being a stupid asshole.

[@WolfyboiRTCT]

Well, Spider-Vers is extremely different.

[@MoojinBoi]

bullshit he would, stan said homecoming was the closest to the original he envisioned in the 60s

[@flacidhouse350]

@@MoojinBoi That is totally obvious to anyone that has read and of the Spider-Man comics Lee wrote.

[@adrmax3292]

Yet stan said he actually love tom holland's spiderman

[@user-ox4nb6eb7v]

"And that really dope MTV show" glad somebody brought that up

[@stanfordfeynman2796]

Yeah TNAS really captures the mature side of Peter that goes unnoticed in media today. Oh well lol

[@izzyr9590]

The tobey Spider-Man is heartwarming. And Tom Holland Spider-Man is just... cute... maybe...

[@UsesofBatman]

you’re judging the tobey spiderman off of all 3 of his movies, Tom Hollands second solo movie hasnt even come out yet

[@fullmetal_3961]

@@UsesofBatman That's pretty much what a lot of people have done. They pit Holland's one film up against the Raimi trilogy and scream about Homecoming not being as good or something. lol

[@tintaspatricia]

FullMetal_ spider-man one was better than homecoming

[@lolaa.8161]

I respectfully disagree. I often see people say that Tom's Spider-Man is cute and that's it, but if you go back and rewach to Civil War, I think you might change your mind. I don't personally feel Tobey's Spider-Man is very heartfelt. His arc throughout the trilogy is pretty great but I've never been sold on his performance or the execution of some themes in the films. But that's just me.

[@abovethelaw4417]

Even TASM 2 is better than trashy homecoming

[@slasher2132]

Mcu spiderman gets rid of the whole point of spiderman. He is just a little iron man wanna be. He is not spiderman

[@RK-zc6gj]

He is spiderman tho...

[@slasher2132]

@@RK-zc6gj ok and your point is. He is not a good spiderman at all. Stop trying to be a smart ass bud.

[@RK-zc6gj]

Slasher 21 he is a good spiderman. You can like tobey macquire all you want. It’s your right. But don’t present your highly debatable opinion as fact. Tom does a lot of things very well as spidey that tobey didn’t. Both are amazing for their time. If you think tobey is the best, you’re not wrong. If you think Tom is the best, you’re also not wrong

[@slasher2132]

@@RK-zc6gj most if the spiderman fan base would agree with me. I never said what I said was a fact. Your putting words in my mouth and I can tell that you aren a really spiderman fan and know nothing about the character so you can stop trying to prove your point because you have no right since you know nothing about the character wich was clearly shown in your poor lack of knowledge when trying to explain why Tom Holland is a good spiderman. And i never said I liked tobey. He was good but I perfer Andrew the most of your so interested in what I think.

[@RK-zc6gj]

Slasher 21 you prefer Andrew the most and you call me ignorant and say I’m not a true Spider-man fan. The sheer hypocrisy and ignorance lolol. Also what’s with you being so aggressive? Scared that someone disagrees with you?

[@Myth_or_Mystery76]

Never cared for Tom Holland honestly. I think he's overrated.

[@nvlik]

yep.

[@nvlik]

@Sethyboy yes

[@avi71229]

@Sethyboy I disagree, I kinda think Tobey is overrated.

[@neeleshtalasila7284]

@@avi71229 I disagree, I think Tom and Tobey are both great lmao

[@MacheddieFr]

i think that andrew garfield was the best spider-man, just had the worst movies and i always get roasted for saying it but fuck it lmao

[@VanillaMidgetSSBM]

The number 1 thing about Spider-Man: He is MARVELs whipping boy. For every good thing he does, the universe punishes him in one way or another, This is what makes him human, he has flaws, he has to juggle his night life with his real life. Unlike Tony who lives for the thrill of being a hero, Peter does it because he has a responsibility. This is why Far From Home is an infinitely better Spider-Man movie than Homecoming. Because his tether as a human and his responsibility as a superhero pull back and forth, drawing and quartering him, with a massive consequence to be explored in No Way Home.

[@Wattzon17]

In my opinion, Tom Holland is not my spiderman. In my opinion, spiderman ps4 is my spiderman and Raimi's films.

[@dragonlovermalaware5074]

Same here.

[@no.6649]

Spider-Man PS4 is so dope

[@bejaouimalek2208]

Tobey is the spiderman

[@walt8899]

Man, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on far from home...

[@arjogs]

It will be the best Spider-Man movie I guess because Spidey will open up the Phase 4

[@nonamepen4326]

RJA that doesn’t mean anything

[@heyyoudroppedsomething1272]

He thinks it's bad

[@GGeronimoo]

@@nonamepen4326 It Is Now the best And the biggest spider man movie (:

[@rahulkanara7792]

Flint Thunderove nah Spider-Man 2 still holds that mantle

[@gimperiale]

11:16 “I wanted The Perks of Being a Wallcrawler” Funny line 😂, but all jokes aside, that’s the kind of take on Spider-Man I want to see someday -grounded in how we can relate to Peter’s life, realistic in its narrative and theme of responsibility and growing up, and universally relatable and understandable when it comes to coming of age.

[@KingChiggy]

Honestly Homecoming should have all been set BEFORE Tony went to go recruit Spider-Man for Civil War so that the movie would have been about Peter and his life, his relationships. We dont need to see his origin story or Ben's death again but all the other major heroes got their own solo movies and movies that built up their catalog of characters before being brought into the Avengers fold, and this story could have been about Peter going from trying to stop petty crimes to bringing down a villain that flew under the Avenger's radar and once Peter stopped him that got the attention of Tony who comes to speak to him at the end of the movie. All of that Civil War backstory montage could have been shown during the credits and then his reveal to Aunt May leading into the next film, and really with how much she worried about him already they shouldnt have just made her completely fine with it in the second film and had her go through more of an arc herself. These movies are more focused on Peter helping to build up the MCU and not really the MCU complimenting a SPIDER-MAN story. Hell Homecoming could have just been "Ironman 4: Tony gets a kid".

[@yokotubene]

And people keep talking about how this movie is comic book accurate when it isn't that much either. For instance, MJ stands for Mary Jane, not Michelle Jones and Flash is supposed to be threat/bully, not a nerd who looks like he would be bullied. Those two characters were absolutely terrible in my opinion. Oh, and Aunt May wasn't a very good character either in my opinion. This movie didn't even have good action scenes for me. This is a huge disappointment for a Spider-Man film. This movie was made to be a comedy movie and not a proper Spider-Man movie is how I feel. The quips/jokes were too abundant and lame in my opinion. Even for Spider-Man.

[@TheSpaceJockey91]

Michelle is unwanted in these movies. We want the real MJ aka Mary Jane Watson.

[@jasontodd-wayne3956]

To be fair, Michelle isn’t MJ as Feige said MJ does exist within the MCU, but they’re not going to introduce her for now.

[@boggy8745]

Modern day bullies aren't huge threatening jocks like Flash was in the Rami films, people who bully you exist in your friend groups and have direct access to their target much like Flash in Homecoming.

[@IndecisiveJR]

Mr Degenerate A bully needs to still be intimidating to the audience though and let’s be real who would intimidated by this Flash? His jokes aren’t creative and he just spews out the same ones over and over. Peter on multiple occasions doesn’t even seem effected by him. He is more of just a nuisance than a bully.

[@swegbruh199]

They tried to make homecoming different and new into the MCU, not accurate to the comics. If they made it accurate to the comics, he would’ve done many things different

[@theonlyjuanforyou]

You forgot that when he sees the explosion at Liz’s house he prefers going to check what was going on instead of showing up at the party and becoming popular, he fails at stopping the bad guys and risked becoming popular, that’s a consequence you forgot

[@teamrocketcircle8067]

Or the consequence when he almost let the boat sink and got his suit taken away.

[@theonlyjuanforyou]

Yeah, the one you said is the main consequence

[@theonlyjuanforyou]

I think

[@lolaa.8161]

That was a choice, not really a consequence. When Peter comes back to school the next day, it doesn't really affect his relationship with Liz, Ned or any of his other classmates. The main problem with this movie is the execution of the theme of choices. In the movie, Peter makes several noble choices like the one you stated, but as the movie progresses, it doesn't really deal with how they define the character. Homecoming is my favorite Spider-Man movie, but it's got a lot of flaws. Let's see if Far From Home will fix them.

[@aidan9538]

People_And_Me but the boat DIDNT sink and no one died, now consequences

[@ricoco7891]

Who would win? Strong, reasonable arguments that detail why this movie sucked, OR 3.3K salty fanbois

[@XenoTronusWeePoo850]

4K actually.

[@ricoco7891]

XenoTronus PrimeZilla#21068 it was 3.3 when I originally wrote the comment, can't be fucked with editing it every couple of weeks

[@XenoTronusWeePoo850]

@@ricoco7891 Oh, sorry. I meant to type "4K now", not "4K actually". I don't know why I wrote "actually".

[@ricoco7891]

XenoTronus PrimeZilla#21068 oh haha no big deal

[@sk8erin8er]

Who would win? Respecting that people can have different opinions on popular media, OR Calling everyone who disagrees with you a salty fanboi

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

One of the worst things that they're doing with the new Spider-Man movies they're replacing Uncle Ben with Tony

[@chadhiggins6884]

I think if Tom Holland had a director like Rami with a lot of heart about the character and not focusing on the mcu then he’d be the best Spider-Man

[@milesrio192]

Not really

[@chadhiggins6884]

@@milesrio192 I think he would if you don’t that’s fine

[@doctordisco337]

That’s a big problem with the MCU, there’s not much creative control from the directors for the most part.

[@thebatman.]

True, I remember seeing an interview where Jon Watts said he didn’t really know or care too much about Spider-Man. It definitely shows

[@Onoesmahpie]

Exactly, it's the shitty corporatization of the MCU shit fests that make the characters so terribly written and boring. Most MCU fans are content with "hurr durr big explosion and spierman is on the screen, hurr durr!!!"

[@Seb_Villac]

Hoping far from home and the effects of infinity war really sway the focus of spider man back to what you are saying. It kinda seems to be the case but we will see when the movie comes out.

[@kitgusto2390]

he's even more iron man jr now

[@Aviatato]

@@kitgusto2390 Well deal with it.

[@krystelpines106]

The trailer even Emphasize for letting him to be the next iron man... Damn should've called him Iron man Jr. Instead of spiderman..

[@caiques.p.641]

@@krystelpines106 The film is obviously is going to lead Spiderman to be himself, be "just" Spiderman, and stop trying to be Iron man or a "avenger".

[@rykerowen1154]

@@caiques.p.641 lol I highly doubt that. And "obviously?"

[@SolidShepard]

so has nobody noticed they basicly race swapped every single character except peter himself? and aunt may, but they did age swap her. and i guess jjj, but he is barely in these movies.

[@aduckwithayoutubechannel]

I feel like the consequence point is one of your best. Spider-Man is a series built on the idea of taking action, and the consequences of those actions. Spider-Mans entire journey originates from the idea that he made the choice to not be a hero, which cost him his Uncle Ben. His actions had consequences, and that’s why he became the hero that we know him as.

[@anthonypc930]

Well he gets the suit taken away after fuckin up. I feel like having someone die in the Washington monument is unnecessary. You don't need someone to die there to shape his character especially since the only characters that would really impact peter would be Ned and Liz. And I think killing off either would be pointless. And it's not like Tobey had any consequences to his actions in spider man 1

[@motionkings]

@@anthonypc930 not just about killing but tom's Peter didn't actually feel guilty about these situations until nwh

[@onigiri2136]

@@motionkings That is b/c Tom's Peter is not Peter. Tom Holland is portraying Miles Morales not Peter Parker. Read the comics.

[@suriatibtmdrazali8596]

@@onigiri2136 Huh?What are you talking about?

[@bendavis6457]

@@anthonypc930 he got uncle ben killed

[@OzKo]

You only need one sentece to know how to make a good spiderman story: When Spider-man succeeds, peter parker should fail, and vise versa Edit: I’m not saying the story should be about this rule, im saying that in a spiderman stories, this rule should be kept in mind alongside the main story.

[@j.l.7455]

OZKORAPPA Holy crap, This is so Underrated

[@medman3174]

So freaking true !!

[@itstrending8440]

thats what spiderman ps4 is about

[@OzKo]

Which is why Spiderman ps4 is an amzing adaptation of Spiderman, along with spectacular spiderman, sam raimi’s spiderman, spiderman tas etc

[@itstrending8440]

@@OzKo i personally think spiderman ps4 is the best spiderman adaptation you have villains with reasons (i saw this from someone else it made the game better for me) rhino-rhino wants to get out of his suit vulture- vulture wants to live he is diagnosed with cancer octo-his brain was damaged so at the end he said i will be stuck with this useless body shocker-shocker is forced by li's gang li-was in a experiment and his darkside overbeat him scorpion- wants to live a normal life eletro- wants to turn into a elemeant to have power all these characters are so well made and spiderman has alot of good success but peter loses aunt may and octo

[@J04QU1M]

One of the fundamental characteristics of Peter Parker: Empathy

[@ATalesTruth-]

Yet he doesn’t have that in far from home abandon a world crisis so he could have a vacation, meaning if someone dies due to him looking the other way then it’s on Peter yet he doesn’t come to that realization

[@timmartian9973]

You mean apathy

[@Keizi]

@@ATalesTruth- there are people other than him on earth that can stop evil lmao Spiderman is still a kid at the end of the day...

[@ATalesTruth-]

@@Keizi hate to put it to you if he is the only own available to help then it’s on him to protect the world because if he doesn’t and the next day it’s destroyed that’s on him and he should know this because he should understand the consequences of turning a blind eye(if other heroes were available and were already working on it to the point Peter doesn’t need to help then yes he doesn’t have to worry about it, look at the miles game, he was going to come back because he saw there was trouble in Ny but miles he trained and gave him confidence that he got it, but if he didn’t and miles died then it be on Peter, but he had to give miles his responsibilities if he is ever going to take his place but in that case Peter could go on vacation because he trained miles in which he was ready to fly solo) the first time he did that Ben died, and the next time he does it will be someone else will and it be fully on him, that’s the whole point of the character, the fact mcu Spider-Man doesn’t understand this is why he is a bad adaptation because he acts like he learned nothing from Ben’s death Also Spider-Man is never been about a kid being a superhero, it’s about a kid becoming an adult because of his responsibilities as a superhero, in other words it doesn’t matter that he is a Kid, he should willingly put himself in an adult position based on the fact he has the power to do good, saying he is a kid so he doesn’t have to do the right thing shows you don’t understand the point of Spider-Man

[@Keizi]

@@ATalesTruth- not reading all this lmao

[@hyperion3145]

It sucks that in the comics, he was kicked out of the Avengers multiple times for being immature and edgy, he didn't idolize them and even fought most of them. Do they really think teens are happy go lucky fanboys 24/7?

[@Coconut_Prrson]

??? What even is your point?? He looks up to his heroes and wants to be like them. Is that so bad??

[@remphz3321]

@@Coconut_Prrson he’s not like that in the comics

[@blanks8851]

@@remphz3321 The comics aren't Holy Texts, not everything has to be accurate to them

[@hyperion3145]

@@blanks8851 They aren't, but this trope is all he is in the MCU, the comics is an individual with his own stories. The dude is a teen trying to make money, teens are edgy and insecure, that's why he was relatable. It's what keeps him from being Iron Man 2.0. It's also a key part of his character. You lose a lot of his development when you forget that teens AREN'T happy go lucky, that they CAN be impulsive, that they DON'T look up to authority. Especially when they're poor and working outside of the law for money. That's what his creators thought was a cornerstone of his character. Him getting into the Avengers took years and multiple attempts (I think he wasn't official till the 2000s), in the meantime he had grown significantly so by the time he finally joined he wasn't a high school student brushing shoulders with Vietnam vets. Because character development is a thing and has payoffs.

[@VoicedIlluso]

@@hyperion3145 dude no way home is out, go watch it

[@timmyturnt]

The entire world knows that Peter Parker is Spiderman now *EVERYTHING IS FINE*

[@alexdenty7041]

You know what’s sad that shit is going to be 100 percent true

[@iCat4Ever]

i hope it’s gonna go to shit 😂

[@SteveCrafts2k]

You only saw the post credits scene. Not the third movie.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

How would you know the outcome?

[@timmyturnt]

SteveCrafts2k due to the format of the last two films, it probably will be brushed away as a runaway joke

[@ltra42]

Comment: "Toby never quips" Tobey: "That's a cute comment. Did your husband wrote it for you?"

[@aidonus]

did your husband *wrote it for you*

[@anirudhgupta2570]

fix ur english, pls

[@EchoLocoCJ]

Did your husband write this comment for you?

[@tuftycupid8721]

*write

[@bluesEvanskro]

Literally the only quip tho

[@oscarvazquez7814]

uncle Ben dies Everything is fine

[@blueaero3284]

Oscar Vazquez I kinda agree with that because in homecoming it looked like he was already over it when that is the time he would think of Ben the most.

[@quietdemon8138]

Sonic the Hedgehog yeah that I agree with also him being completely absent is something missing within how Tom’s version is written not his performance before anyone Holland fangirls attack me how he was written without Ben to be the catalyst for the whole with great power thing which is essentially channeled through stark is while a unique take is kinda unusual.

[@yungyipper]

think that it’s kinda cool that they’re taking a different aspect on it, but I do wish that they did make it more emotionally connecting

[@LeadMetal82]

I mean.... yeah thats kinda true Its as if peter forgot about his own uncle in the movie

[@Dumi232]

Spiderman motivation is not even him, its Peter being iron-mans bitch.

[@Sizifus]

Uncle Ben's death in this Spider-man movie: **Uncle Ben dies** Peter: "I missed the part where that's my problem."

[@hockeymasktime1918]

Stark replaced Uncle Ben in this story, that's all.

[@combattgamer5088]

We don’t want to see that again

[@hockeymasktime1918]

@Horse Dude I get it, but how else would they put Spider-man inside Civil War and right in the middle of the MCU? Any ideas? Honest question. Haven't played Spider-man on PS4, can't talk about that. I mean, I thought it was smart at the time, even if "wrong"...but I honestly don't care anymore, either way. They always screw around the "core origin" in a lot of these movies. Some people seem particularly anal about this specific change.

[@monkeythief5]

How many times do we really need to see that? Like how many times do we need see Martha and Thomas Wayne killed? There’s only so many times it can be shown until people are just like, “Get on with it already.”

[@supremedarry6749]

I would like but the like count is at 420 so I’m gonna leave it B

[@no-es7nz]

I'm sorta heartbroken that they took really fundamental aspects of Peter's character out of him. Also can I say is absolutely hilarious to me when I see people say that Tom Holland's Spiderman is comic book accurate...when he's absolutely the complete opposite. Love Tom, he's a great actor, and incredibly charming in the movie but he's not Peter Parker or Spiderman. Amazing video, glad to hear more people talk about this. Also that Stan Lee video talking about Peter's character is wonderful and everytime I watch it makes me tear up.

[@gelothegogang]

@Erik Kemeey Well he does now boyo

[@Coconut_Prrson]

@@gelothegogang "every Spiderman incarnation has to be the same as the reimi trilogy without trying anything new" grindset right here

[@gelothegogang]

@@Coconut_Prrson He needs to become a billionaire as a reward for all his soon to be future sacrifices, he did became rich in the comics, now that is a good ending.

[@Aiasmor]

But isn't the most tho? I mean Peter is 15 in these movies. It seems that the Spiderman which so many Raimi fanboys want is one that is not in HS, completely alone, and is not in the MCU.

[@izaanfarooqi1409]

@@Aiasmor Even as a 15 year old, Peter is supposed to be someone who grows up fast and has many responsibilities to take care of. If you've seen Spectacular Spider-Man, he's also in high school and is around 15-16 years old. Yet he has to worry about helping Aunt May pay bills and getting a job to do that. The whole reason Spider-Man was made as a 15 year old superhero as opposed to an adult one was to show him handling adult responsibilities as a kid. To show that a kid could do all the stuff only adult superheroes did back when Spider-Man was first created, when teenagers would only ever be sidekicks. The world isn't supposed to go easy on Peter because he's a kid. That takes away a huge part of what makes his character special from his high school days. MCU Spider-Man seems to be headed in that direction now from the looks of it though so it seems that even they've heard the complaints people have and are taking steps to correct that.

[@michaelthomas305]

Although I loved homecoming, I actually really respect your opinion

[@michaelthomas305]

Thank you for the heart hitop films, I appreciate it

[@kanoy7817]

I don't. His opinion is flawed and I don't have to respect it, however I still respect him as a person

[@michaelthomas305]

@@kanoy7817 that's because you don't have a open mind

[@kanoy7817]

@@michaelthomas305 I do, I anilyzed his critiscims and came to the conclusion that their dumb, therefore his opinion deserves no respect from me just for being an opinion.

[@michaelthomas305]

Nice kid.

[@knockitoffhudson3470]

We've had 2 movies with MJ and I know literally nothing about her.

[@ItsYuhBoyyyy]

I love Zendaya but she's the worst MJ ever

[@Joker-f7e5k]

@@ItsYuhBoyyyy ikr The Spider-Man far far home could make Peter and mj relationship very well but is horrible Sam raimi spider man ps4 even freaking the amazing spider man had relationship

[@bernardfrancis2127]

Still a better character than how Mary Jane was written in 2 and 3.

[@sara-vf5xz]

Agreed. Like what’s her home life like? Does she have siblings? Goals in life? There’s so much we don’t know. I want to like her but there’s huge pieces missing from her character.

[@bullymaguire513]

@@bernardfrancis2127 Mj has no character in the 2nd and the 3rd movie. She is just screaming

[@redsoxfox]

I swear this guy is the only guy that can convince me into changing my mind about good movies into bad movies and bad movies into good ones

[@lymmy9609]

A guy who doesn't read spider man comics successfully gatekeeped what Spider man means, sad.

[@chadthegoat9673]

@@lymmy9609 there we go thank you

[@chadthegoat9673]

dude this guy shits at ffh and nwh with such garbage statements exept for some

[@tuftycupid8721]

@@lymmy9609 exactly.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

@@lymmy9609 by comics Andrew is the best spiderman

[@michaelglasen768]

One of the fundamental characteristics of peter parker: despite falling, he always gets back up

[@sonicthehedgehogtheultimat7177]

Isn’t that daredevil too?

[@Namchha1]

Just like Fisk

[@buubaku]

I was gonna say guilt. Guilt has always played a huge role in his character development, especially with uncle Ben's death in the raimi trilogy. But I guess the theme of him not being able to catch a break kind of ties into that

[@mr.iiconic]

That's most superheroes

[@soccershots9522]

Then look at the rubble scene

[@spoodyboi2920]

What do you mean he has no consequences, you either lie about the scenes that support your claim and ignore clear examples. Peter didn't destroy the dudes shop, the robbers did. How would he know they had those types of weapons? Ditching Ned at the party dose have consequences, he doesn't get to hang out with them, loses the chance to gain popularity, gets in trouble with Iron man and almost dies. If anything he's a great Spider man for ditching the chance to be cool in order to catch some bad people. Endangering his friends at Washington helps the Vulture realize that Peter is Spider man, thus putting his and his family's lives in danger. Ditching Liz makes her break up with him and stop hanging out with him, and Peter ditched her in order to stop her dad. You also forgot to mention how Peter fighting on the boat ended with him getting his suit taken away, Tony being mad at him, and having to fight the vulture in his shitty homemade suit and almost die.Your trying to say that's not giving him consequences?

[@gogeta5549]

look at little tom fan junior gonna cry?

[@spoodyboi2920]

@@gogeta5549 Look little reddit baby Jr, gonna cry

[@dikiiieykick1734]

@Toad Is Forgotten Yeah and y forget he still rejects joining the avengers

[@mr.popper9759]

"I'm not going for Spider-Boy." *another one bites the dust*

[@reaperjack9007]

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[@chewymew4959]

I like your Heat Man profile pic

[@kiransangani6792]

This Spider-Man just needs to stand on his own feet, That’s all.

[@africanlogic2613]

this spiderman sucks

[@maxilchev6884]

Seeing as how Doctor Strange is rumoured to be his new mentor, that's most likely not happening

[@israalal-sulaimani7537]

@The Ninjatitan no thats honestly coming from an objective view on his movies, TRASH

[@fezzy5591]

@The Ninjatitan Your Spider-Man is trash. You clearly have no taste

[@slump6561]

@@fezzy5591 bro sthu. Maybe your the one who has no taste dumb ass.

[@DanielValentin0508]

Spider-Man PS4: Be Greater Spider-Man: Miles Morales: Be Yourself MCU Spider-Man: Be Iron Man

[@optism6702]

thats actually very funny thanks for the laugh

[@sunanarrayan8945]

hahaha good one

[@primalvelocity3811]

Ain't that the truth lmaoo

[@killpuddle9977]

Nah it's mcu Spider-Man: be miles

[@dragonlovermalaware5074]

😂

[@flipkiller8521]

Spider-Man was actually a college student and an adult for most of his run.

[@mindlessyoutubeuser6435]

yeah and actually Tobey was in school like about 15 min of the movie

[@tonk3878]

@Charles Parrino If I recall correctly, MCU Peter is 17. He was 15 in Civil War, 2 year time skip to Homecoming, and then he got blipped. So he should be 17 right?

[@syminite1]

@@tonk3878 He should be in his twenties.

[@tonk3878]

@@syminite1 How’d you figure? I stated the events as I recall them, so correct me if I’m wrong. P.s. If you’re talking other mediums like comics and stuff, I am aware he should be an adult.

[@syminite1]

@@tonk3878 He was 15-16 before the snap right? At the beginning of Far from good..i mean home 😆 there was a video recognizing people had aged 5 years wasn't it?

[@mirnaramerez6172]

When he said:"So i did as any man does when he's confused, I turned on my favorite flick: Spider-Man 2." I felt that.

[@gamedude108]

That’s the same feeling I got when I got home from the theater

[@Colgate243]

I honestly shipped Peter with Karen more than Liz.

[@nolangreenwald3926]

*chants* k i s s t h e r o b o t

[@user-oo3iy3nt1i]

Nolan Greenwald she’s an a.i not a robot.

[@nolangreenwald3926]

@@user-oo3iy3nt1i *stops chanting* *starts chanting again* f u c k t h e A . I .

[@shredderdb5752]

The thing i don't understand first he loves Liz then he loves mj like what the fucc?

[@diegoschina5106]

@@shredderdb5752 that's how teenagers work

[@MrOrcshaman]

I'm just not a fan of this version of spiderman. I was introduced to the character from the 90s animated series and read the comics from the 90s. There are things integral to spiderman, things like his bad luck, uncle Ben being his father figure who he learns his morals front "with great power comes great responsibility". Removing these elements just takes away from the character.

[@anushkayadav8256]

So many people don't understand that..it's sad

[@MrOrcshaman]

@@anushkayadav8256 it's like removing things like the death of Bruce Wayne's parents for why he doesn't kill, or captain america fighting nazis for why he stands against totalitarianism and fascists.

[@e.d.5766]

This is true but only if you assume that Toby Maguire Spider-Man is comics-accurate. Spider-Man Homecoming is adapting the Spider-Man comics, not the Toby Maguire films. In the comics, Uncle Ben is really insignificant. He doesn't even say "With great power comes great responsibility", that line is just narration. And although responsibility is why he becomes Spider-Man, it isn't why he keeps being Spider-Man. Arguably Homecoming captures Spider-Man better.

[@smart-ass8518]

True.

[@Xominus]

It clearly doesn't. Just because he is Spider-Man doesn't mean that he needs to have bad luck. That's just the bad writing from the old days ffs. I thought people here would be smart but nope.

[@caylya7869]

Also people who say MCU Spider-Man is comic book accurate are missing one part of the argument... Peter Parker never got over uncle bens death

[@fellinuxvi3541]

@@stanleysmooth Yeah, and the reason he became spiderman is because of him, had it not been for his death nothing else would've happened, he wouldn't have been able to lift the metal in the "if this be my destiny" panels. What's with this simplistic, superficial reading of the story?

[@smith9747]

@@stanleysmooth You never read a comic, did you?

[@dankgothtrash]

With that same logic Spider-Man PS4 is bad because Peter Parker doesn't mention Uncle Ben. In both movies, we're seeing a Spiderman wayyy after that all happened. Homecoming isn't an origin story.

[@smith9747]

@@dankgothtrash Your bait is a fail, since Ben is clearly seen on photos in the intro of game, showing how important he is to Peter. Ben is also shortly mentioned by Name in a dialogue with May AND you can visit Ben's grave to pay your respects, which gives the Player even a Trophy. So, Ben is still really important in the PS4 game.

[@blammowammo5886]

@@stanleysmooth You think you made a fucking point?

[@dominicsoto8755]

I'm kinda sick of the high school Spider-man.. PS4 Spider-man proved that an adult Peter can work. But no everyone wanted a highschool Spider-man because that's all they think Spider-man is, he starts out as a nerd to grow up to become a strong young man. Just stop with Highschool spider-man and iron man jr. I always say the MCU is a blessing and a curse.

[@chri5853]

Tbh adult Peter is way better, buts that my opinion

[@dominicsoto8755]

@Nova Not really they could of had him in college he could still being a hero while focusing on his college as well like seriously is that all everyone thinks "high school let's keep him in high school" PS4 Spider-Man prove that a Spider-Man can work as an adult.

[@channelname4331]

@@dominicsoto8755 i guess it depends on personal preference im not too picky so i dont think its that bad for him to start in highschool, though a college peter parker does sound badass i kinda just wanna see miles, he was more fun to play with in the game than peter so i assume he'd more entertaining on the big screen

[@dominicsoto8755]

@@channelname4331 I've never been much of a Miles fan I dont really like him, I prefer 2099 and the 2 Scarlet Spiders like Ben and Kaine.

[@Spideyman.w]

Exactly if you are gonna skip the origin and not even mention Uncle Ben who is the reason Peter started fighting crime. Yet you keep him in high school? Uncle Ben would still be important. Also we talking about PS4 Peter, but what about Peter B. Parker?

[@Wei_Radula_Regiment]

To me, the _most_ defining characteristic of Spider-Man/Peter Parker is that he is responsible. More than his life being miserable, he's responsible; it informs all of his behavior. Peter has had moments in which his life goes well; maybe happily married, but he's still responsible. Peter has briefly given up at times, so his most defining characteristic isn't that "no matter how many times he's knocked down, he gets back up". Pay attention to what motivates him when he goes back to being Spider-Man; it's due to feeling the responsibility of being able to help and not doing so. Peter Parker is relatable, but he isn't defined by being "the everyman", he's defined by learning the lesson Uncle Ben tried to teach him too late and constantly trying to "save Uncle Ben," whether the "Uncle Ben" in question is Aunt May, his best friend's dad, Gwen Stacey, or a stranger due to knowing that this stranger is "someone's Uncle Ben". People are who they are when they are in the dark. When no one knows and therefore no one can hold Peter responsible, he still holds himself responsible. It's easy to be the hero when you are rewarded for it. Some heroes don't get rewarded, but they get indifference; their praises aren't sung. Spider-Man often does the right thing, but doesn't get rewarded and doesn't even get indifference, but instead, the universe kicks him in the teeth for it, which of course makes him want to quit, but he knows that when he doesn't do anything, "Uncle Ben dies all over again". Even when Peter is crippled, he still tries to help in one way, or another, due to having had a lot of experience being a hero by that point that he feels he can do something, even if it's not the full Spider-Man schtick. I love and relate to Peter Parker due to his nerdy, intellectual side, but I respect, admire and seek to emulate him due to his steadfast responsibility. Spider-Man is the kid who, due to his difficult experiences, manages to be more responsible than the adults around him. He lost his mentor, feels lost and inadequate, but actually manages to outdo pretty much everyone in being a good, responsible, caring hero, even though he usually takes a long while to realize it; living in imposter syndrome until he does.

[@Multiple_Ore_Chasms]

This is why Spectacular Spider-Man the animated series is the definitive iteration of Spider-Man, for me.

[@Tino_Tonitini]

@@Multiple_Ore_Chasms I want more people to appreciate Spectacular Spider-Man the animated series.

[@thevillageyid]

I pretty much agree with everything in this video. The MCU connected-ness kind of ruins it. I know this is also a common gripe, but for me, I prefer an older Spider-Man.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Having a Spider-man movie first and *then* let him join into the MCU. All the other big heroes haad atleast one movie just for themselves with little hints towards the end that there might be something more.

[@koronaples6537]

@@HappyBeezerStudios Spiderman in the MCU is all about growing up and becoming independent, and he did that in far from home. The spiderman movies shows him going from innocent kid working for tony stark to independent hero that takes responsibility for his actions. For every movie he is moving further and further away from relying on other people.

[@lesliverspy3095]

Im still young so im growing up with these new spidey movies so I think its really cool even without the consequences thing and especially far from home

[@alanr5910]

@@lesliverspy3095 I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@lesliverspy3095]

@@alanr5910 awww thanks man I do have blue eyes

[@luciferjad6809]

The most negative point of MCU spider-man is his motivation is tony stark not uncle Ben. He feels more sad for tony not for his uncle... EDIT - people who are saying that we have seen uncle ben die twice and don't want to see that again. I agree that we don't have to see that all things again and again. But it seems like MCU version spiderman never misses his uncle or never loved him. In comics too they never show uncle ben dying again and again but they show emotional and sypathatic connection between Peter and his uncle in other ways. But MCU Peter and May never mentions Ben...

[@_just_comic]

That is what makes me irks me the most about mcu spidey

[@VasudevAnandcva]

and im totally fine with that. but i think hi top films made good points so im not arguing or anything. i dont agree that homecoming is a BAD spider man movie, its just not the best

[@swarley6587]

We’ve already seen that twice. If the MCU did that it would’ve felt so redundant. I like this new fresh take on spidey

[@randomuser6907]

@@swarley6587 I agree. something has to change so people can keep watching new ones without feeling tired of the story/character

[@luciferjad6809]

@@swarley6587 Yeah we have seen that twice and me too don't want to see uncle Ben dying. But his motivation should be uncle ben not tony stark. MCU spiderman seems to be tony Jr. Not Peter parker. Peter parker whenever is in self doubt its his uncle which kept him in his path of being hero not some random billionaire who just give him gadgets and cool suit and he think him as a father figure like wtf. Peter was never like this even in the comics. MCU just ruined Peter's character. That's the reason his character development is worse than any character of MCU... It just seemed forced and un relatable...

[@dddevvonnn]

I have finally found someone who agrees with my thoughts on the movie

[@KillyRR]

Every Spider-Man fan agrees with this. Those 20.000+ people who downvoted this vid dont know what makes Spider-Man the greatest Hero in Comics. Hell Spider-Man PS4 is a better Spider-Man movie than Homecoming^^

[@CC-tl3zs]

Uhhhhhhhhhh....... Every single one? *cough cough* Cosmonaut Variety Hour *cough cough*

[@hectordelgado5430]

Same, this movie sucks

[@hectordelgado5430]

@F completely agree with you men

[@Thevamp1reking]

@@JesseBJames name one movie thats better

[@alexandersaizan8413]

Insomniac should’ve wrote this movie

[@ATalesTruth-]

agreed

[@Joker-f7e5k]

Yep definitely

[@iblamefps]

no

[@ATalesTruth-]

@@iblamefps ok why not

[@ATalesTruth-]

@@iblamefps so your saying because they made a story specifically for a game there are not as capable on the making of a movie, Here is the truth, a good writer can form a mediocre story into a great one and a bad writer can’t even make a great story into a good one,

[@HiTopFilms]

Hey! The video was recently blocked in all countries because the song I used at the end, so I had to remove it using the KZbin editor and now the last minute or so sounds like absolute trash. Sorry about that!

[@rivil5654]

For a sec I thought my audio went out

[@jamesrivercfcreviews1527]

Your wrong about the mcu films they are good

[@Charles12]

maybe next time don't use the main song of the movie your talking smack about unless its for comedy purposes

[@jayden8357]

@@jamesrivercfcreviews1527 He can't be wrong, he said it himself, it's his OPINION. Opinions can't be wrong. And there are actually a lot of MCU movies that he does like. He's not a hater. He just knows how to distinguish good and bad storytelling. Not all MCU films are good

[@blammowammo5886]

@@jamesrivercfcreviews1527 Shut up.

[@waves5373]

Reason Why Toby Is Better Than All Spidermans (TRUE FACT BTW) Mr. Ditkovich

[@nachostar]

Give me rent

[@UzayrKader]

Your opinions are very valid and you make good points. I wish the internet didn't have to be such a mean and opinionated place where everyone is at each others throats. I thoroughly love Homecoming but you opened my eyes to a new perspective. It doesn't detract from how much I still love it but at the same time I now have another viewpoint on the movie and that's cool and awesome. Good video essay A+ 👍

[@HellsBR]

Great comment

[@archmage1015]

Literally this

[@Noah_McCurry]

I feel the exact same so glad I watched the video. I hope the studio recognizes some of these flaws. Maybe after avengers 4 things will be different and they'll grow his character into his more traditional character traits, for example his sense of responsibility. Even though there were no real consequences he still could have showed more personal distress in those situations, ie instead of talking to his ai about how amazing liz was he could've asked if it was fucked up to ditch his friends? I want to see a captain universe spider man like version of spider man, overburdened by his responsibility all the time, I guess with the suit he'd be capable of taking on bigger baddies, with more power comes more responsibility

[@2slowpoke929]

Look at the Vox and there "MCU feels empty video" There's probably a good reason why this has more likes than dislikes and that video has a like dislike ratio of around 1:3

[@samuraisharkie]

You’re an awesome dude, your comment was such a refreshingly chill and cool change LOL

[@Ruushii]

Peter doesnt feel so good...... But everything is fine

[@icantthinkofagoodname4130]

Kinda yea he’s fine now but tony isn’t

[@graziomarinolanza2400]

@@icantthinkofagoodname4130 yea he's fine but there aren't any fucking consequences Aunt May knows about peter's secret and for her it's ok, everything fine wtf

[@arikbishop]

@@graziomarinolanza2400 yeah but he trusted the wrong person and doubted himself too much and now everybody knows his identity and he's probably a wanted criminal

[@graziomarinolanza2400]

@@arikbishop ya bro now i don't think everything is fine

[@captconrad6014]

Spoiler Alert for Far From Home With all the talk of "no consequences," Having his identity revealed to the entire world in Far From Home is what he deserved.

[@theburdenofbordem9225]

One of the fundamental characteristics of Peter Parker is that he can never have a good life. He never gets a break. That is why he is such a beautiful character. No because of his jokes or his super powers but because he has everyday normal problems that we have. He is the most relatable character in comic book history. Being Spider-Man doesn't make his life better, it makes it worse.

[@milddiffuse]

Didn't the Movie do exactly that?

[@BLAM5980]

Stup ID no…not at all lmao

[@liquidocelot9502]

It makes his life worse yet almost every variation of Spider-Man loved being Spider-Man so I don’t think your comment holds up. Sounds nice though.

[@milddiffuse]

@@liquidocelot9502 Well his life as Peter definitely gets worse, but being Spider-Man definitely is portrayed as being fun...

[@milddiffuse]

@@BLAM5980 Well he had as much fun being Spider-Man as anywhere else, there were still moments in which he was scared and under pressure too like in the other adaptions. And while Peter might not make any of his friends hate him like he often would Harry, he definitely made the dad of his crush, which consequently lead to them "breaking up" and her moving away. He 100% knew that it wasn't going to end well for himself ("consequences"), but he did it anyways.

[@usulsk]

Also problem with the MCU: The timeline is messed up. Civil war: Spiderman fights super heroes and is pretty good at it. Homecoming (which plays AFTER Civil war): Spiderman does not know how to fight yet and has trouble fighting basic criminals.

[@mikeshaftx]

What kind of self-respecting hero would beat the shit out of a 15 year old kid? Tony blatantly said that Cap would have kicked the living shit out of him if Cap really wanted to.

[@FloydRos]

@@mikeshaftx who fucking cares that he's 15

[@RandomGuy-zl5sp]

The Alchemist it’s funny cause in the comics spiderman would absolutely fucking destroy captain america

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

@@mikeshaftx Did you even see what Spidey did to Bucky and Sam? He was trolling them both..... Cap won cuz it was his movie....

[@zack8865]

@@mikeshaftx in terms of raw strength, Spidey would split cap into 2 if he doesn't pull his punches

[@bushidoh8316]

Why homecoming is overrated according to me? 1. Peter ain't relatable at all 2. It's not Spiderman, it's technology man 3. No high stakes 4. Where the hell is Harry

[@Dumi232]

MJ is fucking Zendaya. Were is uncle ben? Why is Peter so happy snd lucky. MCU is bs and shouldn't be in SM movies.

[@iCat4Ever]

Ionut DU zendaya was perfect for the role ben is dead the last phrase didn’t make sense and i loved smhc and smffh

[@thanos3534]

Y’all just sad we don’t have a spider man 1 remake

[@taylin1849]

@@iCat4Ever Zendaya could've pulled MJ off, but she didn't because the writers made her seem like some edgy teen instead.

[@hujan1744]

I don't care about Harry, but all the other points, i agree with

[@raginn3340]

Even the Amazing Spider man 2 had consequences lol

[@salarzx62090]

Doesn't mean shit if the movie is shit

[@Ash12241991]

@@salarzx62090 They DO mean shit get over yourself, it may have been a weaker Spiderman movie sure, but Spiderman still is Spiderman in it, not a great Peter but the scenes were amazing when he fought Electro, Electro's story was amazing, and Gwen's death was sad Still leagues better than Homecoming

[@salarzx62090]

@@Ash12241991 Lol they absolutely do not mean shit if the story is so fucking illogical and nonsensical that it gets in the way of taking those consequences seriously. And Spider-Man isn't Spider-Man. Because Spider-Man quipping while letting tons of people die is totally what I think of when I think of Spider-Man. Electro being amazing? LMAO. Not even close. I guess that's why it's so better than Homecoming. Because this movie enticed so many people to see it and this movie gathered SO many positive reviews that Sony totally didn't scrap the franchise and continued on with the reboot. What are you smoking because I want that shit

[@Ash12241991]

@@salarzx62090 Oh im sure we are gonna think Electro is lame just cuz you said so Electro was built up great, he was a human you felt empathy for, maybe you lack just empathy and wanted him to be a Stark inspired villian Unlike you, some of us can appreciate hard work, the set, the action scenes, the web swinging, the character development Overall movie not as great as we wanted, but its very immature of you to try to scrap the rest, like the actual good parts And youre completely misinformed , the series got cancelled over a Garfield meeting with a Sony higher up, not cuz the movie did bad

[@Ash12241991]

@@drew318 if you think Homecoming is the best "Spider-man" movie theres no point in even debating I mean im not gonna tell you not to like it, ppl are allowed to like what they like but your point seems to be "Oh he acts like a teenager, best spiderman movie"

[@Googlywinker]

I hate the Tom Holland Spider-Man’s. They are all terrible. They all suffer from the same issue the MCU does: it’s not serious enough. They are literally always joking around even when the world is supposed to be ending; which completely breaks immersion and it makes me feel like the situation doesn’t really matter and there are no consequences.

[@hunterprice3320]

Bro No Way Home got pretty serious tho

[@Wertyber]

when were they joking around in the Spider-Man movies

[@randymora9921]

bro they replaced uncle ben with tony stark..........what is the mcu doing???

[@sunsetoverdrive2when321]

Lol no one wants to see Ben die the billionth time. Tony is his sergeant father who is now dead 😭. Deal with it bro

[@1blythe]

Captain Cybertron “sergeant” 😂

[@sunsetoverdrive2when321]

@@1blythe o shit my bad

[@bigchief2547]

well it works for the mcu, just not for the story of spider-man

[@cunnyman]

@TheDuck ThatQuacks Again, nobody said we wanna see him get shot. We wanna see how his influence is affecting Peter. Looks to me that you HAVE NOT played Spider-Man PS4. They didn't retell Benjamin getting mugged or even mention the event. It's just Peter thinking about whether or not he's doing the right thing and whether it would make Ben proud. Plus, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE VIDEO? He clearly said no one wanna see Uncle Ben dying again.

[@goatamatix894]

I love mcu spiderman movies as movies But i hate it asa spiderman movies Its more of a ironbaby homecoming

[@xlostagentz9473]

Everything that Stan Lee said in the middle of the video, is the total opposite of what was in Homecoming.....

[@fantasmacstrp9239]

And yet he said he loved the movie. He liked that Peter.

[@WolfyboiRTCT]

It wasn't the total opposite of what he said

[@Grace-wb1ik]

yeah Stan lee tweeted that tom holland was exactly what he pictured when we created spiderman

[@retaliation032]

@@fantasmacstrp9239 probably appearance wise because if you look at younger photo's of Stan Lee he looks just like him with the hairstyle.

[@TheRobloxianTacoLord]

@@Grace-wb1ik nt

[@miguelfajardo33]

The MCU's spiderman is not spiderman at all, he's spiderboy

[@ribamarfilho906]

Ironboy

[@argop4518]

He's ironman's bitch and that's not the spiderman I grew up with.

[@michael-1453]

@@argop4518 in fact thats not even spiderman

[@michael-1453]

Amai Ai that’s not the point

[@michael-1453]

Amai Ai no it’s not like this , the writing is shit peter doesn’t need nobody that’s why he’s Spider-Man because he’s on his own and his life sucks and nobody is really there for him except Ben Parker who didn’t even reminded in the movie