Doctor Faces Euthanasia Request from Terminally Ill Pedophile Patient | Chicago Med | MD TV

[@Willzb-xk4ew]

If i remember correctly, he never actually did anything but had the urges and he fought them for a long time. Honestly feel sorry for the guy never getting the help he needed

[@alexamosca9371]

That’s what I took from it too. That he never did anything bad or hurt anyone and the reason he wanted to die is bc he was disgusted with himself

[@HulklingsBoyfriend]

Unfortunately therapy and programs are hard to get patients into because many of them are too terrified of other people discovering it. Most of them would never dream of hurting a child, but can't get help because they face the real danger of being accused of touching a kid or having CP.

[@rebeccaconrad16]

This is the way I understand it. He wants to go so he can no longer has to fight his urges.

[@princessdeathray]

@@HulklingsBoyfriendIt’s not just about their fear of the stigma, it’s that psychs are wary because if these patients act on their impulses, they could potentially be implicated PLUS their own fear of the stigma that they would be perceived as enablers.

[@Donnie-hf5du]

I feel the same way. Modern medicine is crazy. It wants to make people suffer

[@omejira]

Dude resisted his urges for so many years and right as he is nearly incapable to stop them, caught cancer and got to die as an innocent man. He can rest in peace now.

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

Well, at least he hasn’t been acting on his impulses.

[@BlueSpiritFire1]

"It's not my job to judge him." That's kind of rich. Dude has been immediately judging him for wanting to die from the moment he said he wanted to die.

[@CausticCassie]

All they do is judge

[@Rogue_Centurion]

This is a show where doctors judge people. My dad(physician) said that internally he judges people but extremely rarely and he never voices them to anybody unlike certain someones in this show

[@BlueSpiritFire1]

@@Rogue_Centurion I expect that to a certain degree. It's hard _not_ to form an internal opinion! I imagine that as a medical professional you'd see all sorts of things, though, and that probably goes a way towards dismantling biases. You never truly know what someone's going through to get them in a position where they need medical help. Good doctors are the ones who don't let their personal beliefs and judgements influence their professional care, so props to your dad 👍

[@Rogue_Centurion]

@@BlueSpiritFire1 yeah good doctors also aren’t ones to voice their biases and beliefs. It’s part of their vows they take by swearing the Hippocratic Oath

[@Rogue_Centurion]

@@BlueSpiritFire1 this show makes it seem like it is common for doctors to openly disrespect the Hippocratic Oath that they all swore

[@OhKopo]

My psychiatrist said something very true very simply; "you don't go to prison for thoughts, you go to prison for actions" One line determined between weakness, and strength, of oneself as in we cannot control thoughts about harming others but we can control the acting on those.

[@quinnnewman9538]

He was a sick man who wanted one iota of peace and i feel the doctors were obligated to give him that

[@teneesh3376]

God complex is very common for surgeons

[@breea07]

@@teneesh3376none of these ppl are surgeons

[@LilyGrace95]

Poor guy spent 56 years battling an addiction and never once gave in, and yet they're all treating him like the devil himself. Thank God Dr Charles and Dr Halsted were sympathetic at least.

[@YGhappyvirus]

i... do hate april's moral compass sometimes. it's undoubtedly her greatest strength as a nurse, but it's also her greatest weakness imo. if he is your patient, you do have to treat him like any other patient... even if he's a horrible man. that's just the nature of the job and unfortunately, your job is to take care of patients, no matter who they are

[@GodshinX]

As I understand he never hurt a kid in his life, so she was totally out of line.

[@evildaemon5564]

finally, someone said it

[@LyingTube]

@@GodshinX Yep, 56 years and he never once gave in to his urges. That's a degree of moral fortitude I'd wager few people on earth have, honestly.

[@nozyy5684]

​@LyingTube how many people die of smoking and drinking and they cant give that up or cant even not start to doing those things so 100%

[@LyingTube]

@@nozyy5684 Addictions are a very good comparison to draw here. He was basically tempted every day and stayed "sober" for his entire life, despite already being addicted.

[@1997thatperson]

The “I’m sorry?” Took me out help

[@samanthamansavage6602]

Ok well this one was way sadder than I'd ever think

[@edwinjusto5739]

You know i can somewhat sympathize with him, cuz as far as anyone knows while disgusting he never did anything wrong, and it was like somebody who is on a diet with a buffet around him that he can’t touch, its disgusting but he knew there was something wrong with him and based on how he acted he probably wanted to fix himself and tried therapy all in vain, so recognizing he was beyond hope he just wanted out, again overwhelmingly disgusting but people like him exist and they dont stop themselves, i bet his greatest fear is that one day he would stop from holding himself back and hurt someone

[@rbx_vid3388]

He said it so casually…

[@LyingTube]

He was pretty far past subtlety by that point I think.

[@Bariom_dome]

That happens when you are done

[@1tommyday]

Nice nurse. Shes like the pharmacists who wont issuebirth control because THEY dont believe in it

[@The73idigarage]

Ya those that are religious like that, tend to let their beliefs get in the way every time

[@Akimbo411]

You can’t expect others to take part in things they don’t support.

[@moonlitkitsune7638]

I should not have watched this episode. My dad asked me why I wouldn't let him die too. I'm getting flashbacks...

[@Vee_breeze2767]

❤️

[@iluvmantu]

What

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

That’s a little different you loved your dad he was your dad is completely different and don’t forget this is a TV show not real life you sound like a nice person hang in there look at the beautiful weather today and have a great day.

[@SnowPink90]

It’s hard when a show brings back memories and all of a sudden you get flashbacks like crazy have a timeframe. You don’t want to remember. When this happens, try to focus on the future. Something that you may like to do or plan on doing something and then think about getting the things ready in order to do that activity. Put those memories away. I put mine in an indestructible container and I put them in the freezer and that’s where they been for the past 23 years. They’re frozen in time but I’m not. I wish you the best.

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

I understand but I bet your dad would want you to have happiness.

[@Katiriaa84]

I don't get it, why Will couldn't just respect his wishes?

[@KMDragonS]

His mother died of cancer, and he wants to save as many as possible.

[@Katiriaa84]

@@KMDragonS Hmm.. Ok, but.. he's doing this against other people's will :/

[@airicadams1359]

Doctors are legally obligated to save your life unless you have an dnr

[@Living4YHWH]

​@@airicadams1359 And he did. It was referenced before they cleared his throat.

[@LyingTube]

@@Living4YHWH DNR is Do Not Resuscitate, meaning if he codes they can't revive him, but actively choking doesn't constitute a state of death. DNR basically means they can't bring you back, it doesn't necessarily stop them from preventing you from going in the first place. It can be a bit more convoluted legally though, case-by-case.

[@thinkfighttalk2403]

“If you’re there for some treatment you better keep your sister from him”

[@selenablack3141]

Everything is sad😢

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

I’m not sure what good glucagon would do that’s normally given when a person’s blood sugar is low this show has never been very accurate medically speaking I know I’ve been a registered nurse 38 years.

[@ABissodone1]

He hadn't been able to eat properly, his blood sugar was bound to be incredibly low. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@quimbyyyyy5425]

I’m type 1 diabetic and glucagon is exactly what you get when your sugars dangerously low and you are unable to eat or hold down any solids/liquids. I don’t see why this patient would’ve been in that kind of danger though from not eating a singular day unless he was diabetic.

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

@@quimbyyyyy5425 well said!

[@kiranreddy7760]

The ER uses Glucagon intially for stuck food in the esophagous

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

@@kiranreddy7760 since when?

[@ajc-ff5cm]

Im not one to argue with other peoples decisions. He doesnt want to be treated, I would say "k," shrug, and move on.

[@midnight_x_edits]

You cant do that in the medical world unless someone literally signs themselves out of the hospital with an AMA form hospitals treat you no matter what because thats what they’re there to do DUHHH

[@silverchan9999]

Dam this made me cry 😢

[@SadlifeBella]

Really

[@InterestSpy]

Halsted has such a god complex. He is constantly enacting his will on patients.

[@salshoban-dallmayr1774]

yes like violating a DNR for pdf. files he liked for some reason. disgusting.

[@IdontKnow-hh2sb]

You know this is the same situation right, other than the fact that he is completely disgusting for his thoughts. How come a regular cancer patient can be put out of their misery with a DNR, but he can't it's the same thing.

[@selenablack3141]

Sad

[@jbt8922]

Why are tv shows making people feel sorry for pedophiles. This is gross.

[@IdontKnow-hh2sb]

That's not the point, the point is showcasing the conflicting decisions that medical professionals have to make on a daily basis. Hence the back and forth of opinions and technicalities.

[@a_flor_rosa]

I dunno, he seemed disgusted with himself. Like to the point he wanted to die so he wouldn’t hurt other people. Those desires are disgusting, yes, but he never did anything and was determined not to. With enough therapy, maybe he could’ve gotten over it.

[@josephwear9572]

4:38 recognize him? He’s in The Man in the High Castle.

[@JnEricsonx]

2:05-What's to fucking know?

[@nahbruh2613]

Imagine trying to keep someone alive to make money off of them, against their wishes.

[@rainy131313]

Pretty sure it wasn't to make money off of it. The male doctor appears to simply have a belief system where he cannot conceive of a rational human being choosing to suicide. Many people can't imagine it. Through that lens, you can see how he fought the guy until he finally understood.

[@konstantinnegrebetskiy3745]

Exactly as an autistic person, I think about this everyday, if I ever get cancer, I would just rather pass away. Life is difficult enough when you have mental illnesses, but having a physical problem just adds to the struggle.

[@konstantinnegrebetskiy3745]

Hes afraid of losing his medical license. All that money, all those vacations, all those Land-rovers

[@willfire0310]

@@konstantinnegrebetskiy3745or he’s afraid of violating his own moral code and what he believes are his duties as a doctor.

[@alaakela]

This show was horrible. Stop moralizing and start respecting the patients wishes about their life and treatment. I don't want to hear "but the doctors are ppl too" No, you are a doctor to that patient. Do you job and only that.

[@willfire0310]

Well get over it, cause you’re gonna hear it and like it. Good healthcare requires passionate doctors and you don’t get to selectively choose passion. The do your job and only that is how you get doctors that don’t care at all cause they’re punished if they do.

[@joanodaly4464]

Call on God

[@Chronically_JBoo]

Amen

[@meggrotte4760]

Amen

[@aydenv-mp5td]

hi

[@gautambk-x9d]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@SayanHaqueOfficial]

Wwo❤❤

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

The doctor wants to talk to him as soon as he’s cleaned up that’s cold for the nurses can go in there and do all the dirty work. What a joke. Never did like this guy this doctors character on here he’s not a good guy.

[@canineoddity]

wdym? its usually not the doctor's job to clean up

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

@@canineoddity then you understand my post and you have exactly the same attitude. Now look I’m a registered nurse I don’t have as much education as a doctor I’m as good as one but I still don’t have their education there’s a doctor on the nurse I do the cleaning up. I’m not complaining about I’m stating a pack look this doctor is a liberal I like his character in one way on the shelf and another way I don’t.

[@canineoddity]

@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk what exactly did you just say

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

@@canineoddity agreed

[@ObeseGorilla229]

You don't make sense

[@JChang0114]

The media is trying to normalize this issue.

[@Melancholian]

He hasnt acted on it

[@JChang0114]

@@Melancholian The media is trying to make you feel sorry for the guy so next the media can push that you shouldn't be disgusted / prejudiced.

[@adyo92]

@@Melancholianhe’s a ticking time bomb though

[@rambofan334]

@@JChang0114 You can feel bad for people with the illness while also condemning those who act on the urges it brings. Your attitude towards the issue only makes the problem worse since they'll be less likely to seek the help they need and more likely to act on their urges and harm a child.

[@rambofan334]

@@JChang0114 You say your compassion is limited but aren't applying the same rule to distain. People who act on those urges don't deserve sympathy, but there are thousands of people who've been fighting these urges their entire lives and haven't harmed anyone yet, and those people need and deserve mental help but people like you make getting that help so difficult.

[@BLASE-ze5ig]

:)

[@2EKgn16]

What about respecting people's wishes????? Whether chronically anorexic, suicidal...etc who are we to force someone to live how and how long we want them to? Its borderline mental cruelty to do this.

[@Megamanthemachine]

Well this would be a debate that would never be settled. because ultimately if a mental hospital won’t let him die that is not in his hands he may be totally rational. but a doctor’s responsibility is to not let people die of course it won’t matter what I say it can go either way depending on the circumstances of how he’s lived his life. if he choose too off himself that is not on the doctors you can argue that the doctors can choose to not care and say he’ll die. because he choose to but as long as he was within the doors of the hospital in their care that’s basically a responsibility the hospital as whole has to bear this is fictional yes. but you will see that in real life it’s not just black and white why do you think people with mental illness have to be prevented from dying death does not save you from responsibility or this life or your mistakes death is not a fate you should look to keep your head high and be better ending your life is not the way too go no matter if we say he choose to die or the hospital let him die he can seek help and council.

[@ashlynkmiles]

It's a debate currently going on within the medical community in general. Canada is opening up MAiD as an option for people who are solely mentally ill, provided they meet certain criteria. There are valid arguments on both sides but as a nurse I think the option should at least be there for people suffering like this. As long as a patient is able to make an informed decision about their care then I think it should be their decision what treatments they want or don't want. We tend to view treatments as being nothing but positive but treatment in and of itself can be traumatic and cause undue suffering that someone might not be willing to endure.

[@Megamanthemachine]

@@ashlynkmiles true a lot of the time eventually so long as they’re mentally stable in very rare cases a patient would sadly choose to end it but that’s really as the last last resort to all treatment failing this is rare so that’s why I said it’s not really an easy be all end all debate a doctor can’t force you to take treatment but if that refusal is risking your life the hospital might be blamed very rarely but this is so long as the family acknowledges that the doctors nerve had ill will torwards the patient.

[@ashlynkmiles]

@Megamanthemachine Not all treatments have to be exhausted to pursue MAiD actually. The screening criteria and process for acquiring MAiD is very thorough. Two independent physicians have to assess the patient and sign off on it here in Canada. The documentation around it is standardized, the same is true for any patient that's refusing an obvious course of treatment. Hospitals see patients refusing treatments all the time such as with DNRs, refusal of blood products, refusal of surgery, refusal of cancer treatment etc. The family doesn't really have anything to do with it. A competent patient's not realistically going to refuse treatment then have the family turn around and accuse the hospital of not providing treatment.

[@Megamanthemachine]

@@ashlynkmiles what is MAiD