MeatEater Podcast | Animal Diseases

[@KC2BKM]

These are my favorite episodes. This kind of stuff, Dan Flores, Davis Meltzer, etc.

[@megtim]

I’ve really enjoyed these 2 episodes from Cornell! Very informative!

[@VinayShah-yt5bt]

Has anyone asked MeatEater a question on that creator connection website ThoughtSpace AI where you get instant answers to questions and can watch where he discusses it? Ok, was just wondering.

[@charlesgilliland532]

She absolutely crushed this! Great info and thank you for all your work!! Every hunter should listen to this podcast

[@rjkilla84]

this is the exact reason why i always wanted this podcast to have a video element.

[@Sundog0811]

I did my thesis in college on deer diseases of Louisiana. It was a big deal in the end bc apparently, you arent supposed to just dump uncensored pictures of nasal bot infected deer skulls on powerpoint with no warning. I honestly never even thought about that.

[@Bottomlandtrailcams304]

2:10:35 might be the hardest I've laughed during a MeatEater podcast. She had a slick answer for every one of Steve's questions

[@ChrisBusch-w6r]

I'm an old school kid who grew up in Alaska. .I bacame a nuclear biological chemical recon specialist...this is by far the best the best content I've ever seen

[@votive7478]

That is potentially the coolest job title to ever exist

[@briandunn3831]

Hello, this is great journalism. Thank you Steve and team.

[@markduret9538]

A1 episode. This was great!

[@bradbo3]

Cornell is a great school for veterinarians. Im in WNY and hunt the southern Tier and Niagara county and can attest to everything she said about NY. We dont get enough praise for the hunting here….and its awesome…private and stateland. Never seen any CWD or EHD in my years of hunting. But the black bear population does seem to be exploding and moving north.

[@samgardner4667]

I’d hope it’s a good school for vets. It’s fucking Ivy League.

[@slush714]

Really enjoyed this one!

[@johndiblasi4803]

Outstanding interview with all the right questions, thoughts, and answers ✅.

[@Xbolt1969]

I believe CWD should be a North American study since wildlife crosses the border .. living in BC Canada we keep hearing about this we should be working together

[@craighoover1495]

I enjoyed this because I studied animal diseases in graduate school. My thesis topic was Liver Fluke in cattle. But I also looked at nematodes in cattle, anaplasmosis ecology, enzootic abortion of ewes. But that was in 1983. We have new and better tools now. I think Idaho did a pretty good job recently with CWD. I think if the climate is as cold in NY as it is in Idaho the source of the flukes to the yearlings might be the mothers or others in the herd. We saw that the number of flukes we found in tracer calves increased over the grazing season indicating that the cold likely killed all the metacercaria and suppressed the intermediate host snails growth or sent them into hiding. Maybe you can treat the adults to rid them of flukes occasionally and see what happens.

[@JP-xs5lo]

What do you know about anaplasmosis?

[@Will-ge7ri]

Killed a dear in 2013. Liver looked fine. Inside there was a little pocket though with three inch and a half lobes. Had no clue what they were. Just found out today that they were fluke!

[@thomasgraeff1967]

Absolutely fascinating.

[@jero1918]

It would have a tremendous impact if Steve showed up to the Washington wildlife commision meeting in Olympia on October 27th. Its an all hands on deck situation and we need help!

[@frankkeltch5260]

Are there any wildlife labs in other states that do the same thing as Cordele University

[@johncusack2384]

Can't watch another episode on you tube til I can ride on....guess I'll have to go back to just listening

[@dukedenarie5858]

Nice to see someone school Rinnela about how New York has a great fish and game scene and responsible well organized DEP.

[@MrJakethesteak]

We need more field trip episodes.

[@Todd-fb4mh]

Holy crap, I have the same squirrel story. Family's called me "The Squirrel Whisperer" for the past 20 years.

[@VinayShah-yt5bt]

Has anyone asked MeatEater a question on that creator connection website ThoughtSpace AI where you get instant answers to questions and can watch where he discusses it? Ok, was just wondering.

[@Legitonion]

The brain worm part at 48:00 or so. They found a 25yo lady with a tapeworm in her brain last year in Australia.

[@dougvansickle1135]

Great information I've always been a meat eater live in south east Michigan lot of deer always put up five deer to live on not a buck hunter don't have to provide only for me now all this stuff scares the hell outta me now. I've always processed my own kill. What do I do now????

[@Will-ge7ri]

Check if your state has testing locations. Don’t eat it until it’s tested. Lobby for closure of deer farms.

[@maughan6957]

I remember in my youth when the game wardens were checking deer for this. We never had any test positive for it.

[@jeremymatlock2049]

I've noticed a lot of people throw their deer carcass in creeks. That has to stop . Great pod cast

[@tapeglue8315]

Great episode. Don't politicize science.

[@334outdoors8]

Remember as Trea Crowder says squirrels can’t feel love

[@benjaminlewis671]

I've got nearly 50 whitetail deer and I've only had one that I would not eat. It might have been good but I worry about the ones that I consider good because they are in a CWD area.

[@etiennescarbinski7890]

We get all our deer tested, last two have been cwd positive

[@charlie21gunner87]

I probably will not be cooking any more venison at deer camp unless it has been in the freezer for awhile.

[@Will-ge7ri]

Freezer doesn’t kill it. Keep hunting, don’t eat it unless you get it tested.

[@tylerchism134]

I have a speculation that the deer and moose are eating the snails on purpose. They're known to get animal protein opportunistically (eating baby birds out if nest, etc..)

[@andrewchapman2491]

Didn’t know about Hellbenders but I was on one for most of my 20’s and 30’s. Love this stuff keep ‘em coming.

[@wadesoderberg4350]

Great episode, but as an Albertan (Canadian) I feel left out on this conversation. You flew from the lower 48 to Alaska and back, without touching Canada. I’d love to hear about international collaboration on this (if it exists). I used to work on CWD in the province and just this week, observed an infected deer hours before it was killed by coyotes. Observed it alive at 8pm and then discovered it dead at 11am the following day.

[@LGB007]

There was that lovely program in the 2000s in Alberta where they first were going to get the local hunters to cull the population but then decided on a helicopter and a sharpshooter with a large capacity magazine. They never tested any of the kills and then would transport all the carcasses to an open pit and just cover them over. And the pit was usually close to a moving body of water like a river or stream. It ticked off every ethical hunter out there who was more than willing to help with the situation. But in the end it accomplished absolutely nothing. The Deer population is still fantastically large and uncounted and untested.

[@Clem_Kadidlehopper]

​@@LGB007we did a similar cull in a local area in Wisconsin. Our problem was they didn't finish culling that herd. They did though test all the animals culled. Then determined not to cull. Now it's spread around the state. Hoping our new head of DNR decides to do something more. Problem is liberals in big cities throw a fit about ANY killing of animals. They don't have to see the affects of Chronic Wasting or other diseases like Blue Tongue. They are dying slowly and miserably. It's tough. Mother Nature is a bitch and when she decides culling herd size is necessary she is brutal.

[@dylsapkeg]

Could be because Canada won’t let people in unless they take the jab.

[@SteveSchwartze]

​@@dylsapkeg That is absolutely not true. Tell us another tall tale, please.

[@danorris5235]

​@@SteveSchwartzeI think his point was that Canada is a first world dystopian nightmare that no sane individuals really want to deal with. Maybe my evidence is anecdotal, but my ancestors fled it, I know many people who fled it, and extended family members of mine have even married Canadian expats. It's not a great place. Pretty, lots of awesome people, but too many loons, psychos, and a tyrannical government. Unfortunately that means it's not worth the trip, and they're not famous for international cooperation aside from training Chinese soldiers how to fight in Canadian terrain. :/

[@JayRogers-cd1bv]

Tanks steve, ma'am.

[@justinsidervag8008]

I work for the state. EVERY agency is top heavy , with layers of management that really have little clue about what happens at " the ground level " . Once " the state " becomes involved, its already too late .

[@shawnrasmussen9994]

You need to look at Mark Purdey’s (I probably spelled it wrong) research on CWD. I also think that it will go down in the western states that had so much winter kill last year. The same way that in the fire areas will have less tick related diseases

[@mikaellugo4146]

I’ve always been interested in what diseases you can pick up from hunting animals. For the most part you can tell what’s good meat and what’s bad right, and as long as you cook it properly you should be fine?

[@Arwildlifevet]

For many pathogens, this is true, but cooking doesn’t inactivate prions.

[@adamfowler9726]

Did anyone have a ridiculous amount of adds on this episode? It was like every other minute.

[@ScreamiNarwhals]

I love how they talk about incentives for lead ammunition and how that gives higher cooperation than mandates. There’s so many areas of life where that holds true. But this is being politicized by politicians with other motives. Because of course it is.

[@KRYPTOSPOLLARD]

That low key thighs and buttocks joke. 10/10.

[@JP-xs5lo]

They should do research on these animals see which ones can carry Lyme disease. Crazy part is if it had Lyme they couldn’t find it to diagnose very few pathologists can.

[@mikerhodes3563]

Last deer season my son arrowed a doe and when field dressing it was discovered to have a botfly larvae in the lungs, The dear appeared healthy but distressed with low body fat compared to other deer we killed that season. The prevalence in bot fly in other Louisiana species, specifically squirrels and rabbits, is common, I was wondering is this a different kind of bot fly.

[@ishiegarza1255]

We can't use led for hunting in California

[@NWforager]

Seen a few eagles in AK over the years swoop down for fish and get water logged in lakes . Fish and Game has said "thanks for calling but do not rescue it ." Apparently helping them could perpetuate a gene line that drowns more often . The deadly Raccoon round worms though yall . i hear the eggs are actually 'wind borne' . Any info on this ? i think Steve mentioned it on JRE a while ago briefly

[@hankhooper1637]

Extended title: Animal Diseases and How You Can Catch Em! OR ANIMAL DISEASES: Got to Catch Em All!

[@huntermorris9778]

I live in a small town in north west Georgia on about 20 acres of heavily wooded land thats surrounded by hundreds of acres of land and we hunt and manage the land but we have alot of raccoons and a few months back i was up around 11:00 a.m woth the door open sitting on the couch and a raccoon just walk into my house acting like it was in the early stages of rabies so i grabbed a gun and called the animal control they told me to kill it so i lured it back out side and shot it and to my surprise they didnt have any interest in coming to get it they just told me to dispose of it somewhere no ine would accidentally come in contact with it and as long as no one was bit they weren't worried about it and i thought that was crazy and now this show makes me think its even more crazy and on top of that just like two weeks before this about 8 miles from my house a 6 year old kid was bit by a rabid fox the kid ended up not contracting the disease but the dad killed it and had it tested is how i know it had rabies but is this a common thing?

[@lukepollard8503]

What kind of skeleton is on the table behind the musk ox skull ?

[@LGB007]

Large cat like maybe a lynx or something in that size range.

[@lukepollard8503]

Skull looks like a rodent of some sort

[@OutdoorJack]

In the name of science I will eat the Burger, Steve! What does Cornell think is the origin of CWD? How many predators that eat deer die of CWD, can we not test that in coyotes or another prey animal? Would that not give us a hypothesis on its toxicity of consumption?

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

1:35:50 Krystal ball cwd question

[@PickNarks]

if you knew your deer had CWD would you still eat it?

[@Treeplanter73]

The wisconsin DNR says deer eaten are safe and prions arent found in muscle tissues, your lovely guest mentions it IS found in muscle tissues. So how much prions are needed to start creating the human form of CWD?

[@tylerchism134]

So far there's no evidence that it does anything to humans, no matter the amount.

[@tylerbetthauser7647]

No one really knows actually. None of them are good. But it takes many decades to become dementia. What's interesting is that Alzheimer's is a prion disease.

[@patrickmcmahon785]

Steve, do an episode on just CWD. I’m so concerned about this terrible disease decimating the deer population, especially in my home state of South Carolina, where at this time , there is no CWD. I “personally” feel that this disease is because of the deer “farms”. I absolutely hate individuals who frequently go to those places just so they can say they hunt deer. There’s these places in my state and I wish they would close down. I totally feel this disease would disappear. Please do something to help get the message out, help close these places down. Hunt real. Or don’t hunt.

[@Boomie789]

My understanding of how CWD came about is similar. Deer are not migrating as much as they used to. Deer being fenced in and fed in the same spots year after year. They eat too much of their own waste.

[@pwr2al4]

Podcast episode 70 is all chronic wasting disease.

[@Will-ge7ri]

Yep. We need to close those places down. Congress could do it under the commerce clause, but it’s a rich people hobby.

[@michaelgonzales2057]

I use copper without issue in California. As far as I've experienced they kill just as well. The cost on the othe rhand that's a pain but I'd rather thar than dump more lead in the environment 🤷🏽

[@dbcollier3708]

Hey Steven, love the podcast. Good information, usually good humor ...good vibes. Maybe you could slacken up a bit on the monetization. Some asinine commercial break every 8 seconds is a bit much. People ride bulls longer than each linear span of content on this show.

[@samgardner4667]

Whine more

[@chefcamsey1375]

❤❤❤

[@billybob8228]

In my part of Wisconsin, I see more big bucks killed by cars than anything.

[@SavagelandHunting]

I'm not a deer Dr but NY deer have CWD. You just don't test enough

[@schulerkl]

@krystenschuler I designed the NY statewide surveillance plan using risks and weights. We applied it in several other states and that's the way TN, AL, and FL found CWD within a year or two of using the risk-based system.

[@alanbrackett4230]

I would like to know the percentage of deer that are immune to CWD. Since the disease started in Colorado in the 60's, if there were no deer that were immune to it, there would be no deer in Colorado.

[@jaredpeterson380]

Good point.

[@Arwildlifevet]

Animals do not mount immune responses to prion diseases because they don’t recognize the change in the protein as being something dangerous to their body. Populations with a high prevalence of CWD persist because of the long incubation period but their average age classes can be reduced and the overall population size smaller.

[@jaredpeterson380]

@@Arwildlifevet How can there be an incubation period on something that is not a living organism?

[@Arwildlifevet]

@@jaredpeterson380 Incubation period has multiple meanings. It can mean the development of a living organism, but it can also refer to the time period between when an animal becomes infected with a pathogen to when it demonstrates clinical signs of disease. For CWD, that can be well over a year. The accumulation of converted prions and associated loss of neurons is a slow process.

[@mattvaandering]

Anyone else think that moose and deer may actually eat snails intentionally?

[@corygale7037]

Pretty sure they tried introducing white tails to my home province Newfoundland years ago and brain worms started killing native caribou love your content cheers

[@TheLotroNerd]

What about fish dead or alive swimming around lead lures or dead with lures. That seems like more likely lead poisoning.

[@p.f.droney8973]

I'm part grizzly bear and suffer from a terrible case of my mahcauk alwaystiffesss. No known cure.

[@ShowboatHK]

So long as Govt biologists see major funding increases for CWD, CWD will always be a problem.

[@Will-ge7ri]

Wow.

[@mogulmayhem]

Just a daily reminder that vaccines save lives.

[@arborgonetreeservice1315]

Yes tested and proven vaccines save lives. No one has argued that EVER.

[@mogulmayhem]

@@arborgonetreeservice1315 every physician and healthcare provider working in overwhelmed ICU COVID wards world wide asked you to do one thing: get vaccinated. And yet you resist. How selfless.

[@AJulyWildFire]

What’s the current status on the “hunter dating app” you were motivated to move forward?

[@Xbolt1969]

Can one eat the moose meat or white tail with brain worm

[@schulerkl]

@krystenschuler Yes, you can eat the meat. A good percentage of deer have brainworm and you never know it. Brainworm doesn't go into the muscle tissue.

[@fwijffels]

Okay, not the best episode to listen/watch when you're having dinner. Confirmed.

[@danorris5235]

I think people would be less opposed to letting "management" handle it when the "management" has a higher than 50/50 shot of mucking the entire thing up based on past observation. Couldn't even hunt with a crossbow in WI until recently because it was considered an "unfair advantage" for the deer. Wow. Once you see that's how they see it you're shocked they even let archers have compound bows or even allow a rifle season. There are great programs out there, and some DNRs get it right more often than others, but I've seen neighboring states make the most insane conclusions based on little to no information to absolutely disastrous result. Just recently down south (can't remember the state) they tried to do a Bass migration study, tagged a bunch of fish, and every single fish died in a few weeks. Not great, and that was them just trying to obtain information to make a decision. When government institutions make snap decisions they absolutely can mess it up so badly that it never recovers, and that's what people want to avoid.

[@KRYPTOSPOLLARD]

Steve's forearms are surprisingly swole...

[@garydehey3705]

Can an eagle get aluminum poisoning? I’ll stick with my arrows

[@hankhooper1637]

So is this a video about how to make Covid in a lab? Find a bunch of animals with diseases and put them right beside each other with people.

[@jasonbsssett6169]

Fish contain lead

[@pco315]

Why didn't you address the main reason the moose population isn't growing in the Adirondacks of New York? "Forever Wild" forbids logging in much of the Park. No feed, no new growth. Most of the moose population is near private land that allows logging.

[@DaddyForeverYess]

#Roger

[@jasonbsssett6169]

Wind turbines?

[@ph00z00]

don't forget, humans are animals too.

[@JCTaylor21]

Lead is a naturally occurring element. It is out in the world and didn't get there from man. There are anthropogenic sources, but lead exists in the world just like gold, silver, iron, et cetera.

[@jacoblogsdon2850]

The federal and state government are not the answer to anything.

[@JGunit]

I'll stick with just the audio.

[@MrRyanmcmahon]

Did you see the blue haired woman briefly in the lab? Somehow , I just don't Trust the lab workers to be objective. I dated a zoologist years ago (environmental science degree), sadly she was dead wrong about just about all of her convictions. I hope there is some common sense here.

[@andrew348]

LMAO who needs a degree when you can ask a natural born genius like yourself.

[@2pid]

Sorry! Wanted to ask you! Didn't even look at video you posted before I asked!!!😂😂😂

[@2pid]

IM IN ESTES! WHATS GOING ON WITH YOUR ELK? THESE CATS ARE NOT HERE YET! DIG? REALLY WEIRD HOW THE AXIS SHIFT HAS CHANGED OUR SEASON HERE!! DUDE!! NOWHERE NEAR THE RUT!!

[@turnbulltacticalandoutdoors]

she could at least learn to pronounce necropsy correctly, geez

[@yeahitsme1401]

Yeah I'm sure you know more than the ecologist working at Cornell 👍🏽

[@turnbulltacticalandoutdoors]

@@yeahitsme1401 for starters plenty of us have biology degrees and know a thing or two about academia. second, knowing how to pronounce things properly really doesnt require anything and isnt lended any additional credence just because of a job title. third, anyone can easily google it. i hope you arent as stupid in day to day real life as you have shown yourself to be here