MechWarrior 5 Clans: Turtle Bay Massacre

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

Idk how many people will see this, but it seems a few people are confused. The player made paintjob is John Deere, not Jade Falcon Delta Galaxy. It's a joke from MWO where getting lots of damage is usually referred to as farming.

[@nerdytom6881]

Then you need to do it right and paint them JCB yellow. JCB is like John Deere except higher quality and more reliable.

[@lintrichards6007]

>gravity on the bridge of a WarShip buh muh immersion

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

@@lintrichards6007 What?

[@Musabre]

@@lintrichards6007 Most sci fi settings involve artificial gravity generators for large starships. What are you talking about?

[@danielcamacho1913]

@@Musabre This isn't one of those settings. In Battletech, large ships get "gravity" from a spinning centrifugal section, or acceleration.

[@reddecember7622]

Dude did all of this just to steal that panther kill from star captain lmao what a legend

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

rofl

[@KaiserFaust]

Turtle Bay: “OMG, this is so brutal! How could the Clans do this?” Succession Wars Era Kurita: “Hmm, must be Tuesday already.”

[@MrAsaqe]

Right after the blood eagles and impalement of pows Coordinator Kurita

[@mathiasbartl9393]

Well, but were not like comparable atorcities in the Inner Spere already a century old at that point.

[@eldrickzod6980]

That was the entire point of the Ares Convention, the IS realized that they could not fight war like this. The Clans being better knew that, he let his emotions get the better of him.

[@KaiserFaust]

@@eldrickzod6980 Umm, that’s the joke. The ARES Convention and Makie Development ended the Age of War…and they were abandoned the moment the Star League was formed. Article II explicitly repealed the ARES Convention. Even during it’s brief presence on the stage of history the Convention was still violated repeatedly, most notably by the Capellan Confederation using biological and chemical weapons against the Taurian Concordat on the flimsy pretense of “well, they didn’t sign.” The Inner Sphere didn’t “understand” that they can’t bulldoze planets, they lost the capability to do so due to technological regression and war exhaustion. You can be damn sure that if Kurita still had WarShips during the Third and Fourth Succession Wars they’d be plastering every planet that looked at them funny. What makes Turtle Bay shocking is that it’s the Clans that did it, not that it’s something “unheard of” in the Inner Sphere. During the height of the First Succession War cities were getting glassed on the daily.

[@Ratstranger]

I think drakes did Kentares massacre without nukes. They killed 52 millions of people using everything from Mechs to katanas and bayonets

[@9f81rsd00]

His face on the thumbnail is just perfect. "Yeah, warcrimes time."

[@the_sneaky_snek]

@@9f81rsd00 I was really close to seeing the frame of him with his mouth opening as he shouted to fire everything lol

[@MultiRokusho]

He just has such an odd looking face.

[@redrumcoke2363]

@@the_sneaky_snek From that thumbnail, you can fully expect the next utterances to be: "...ire everything!"

[@Servellion]

What time is it? It's Warcrime o'clock!

[@KrautGoesWild]

And so Galaxy Commander Cordera Perez nuked Turtle Bay... his career... and his entire Clan's future. (If the _Sabre Cat_ as a destroyer could do that, just imagine what the Jag's flagship _Veiled Huntress_ as a battleship could have done)

[@SoranPryde]

Yup, because years later when they reformed the 2nd Star League, the Houses of the Inner Sphere decided to single Smoke Jaguar out for Annihilation largely in part due to Turtle Bay All of the Houses had suffered at the hands of the Clans, but Turtle Bay was the one that stood out due to the sheer brutality of it. It was why they all said "Smoke Jaguar needs to die"

[@enoughothis]

​@@SoranPryde, and the other Clans stood by and let it happen, having decided that Smoke Jaguar deserved what it had coming.

[@nerdytom6881]

It was a plot fix. Apparently only the Kitties had to deal with heavy terrorism. Clan Jade Falcon had some very limited exposure. Clan Wolf did not of course and planets that they captured just stayed surrendered so they remained pure and good and glorious throughout. Make me vomit. But Smoke Jaguar are evil, so they get the ethical dilemmas, and fail them badly.

[@LastKasrkin]

To be precise in the books, the clans do not use nuclear weapons due to the possibility of genetic damage.Turtle Bay was destroyed with orbital navel weapons. In fact an entire clan was annihilated due to their use of nuclear weapons from a brain cache.

[@nikushim6665]

@@LastKasrkin Nukes in general are taboo for both the clans and IS. Houses still have large arsenals of them, but they are rarely used.

[@BIGESTblade]

The ONLY people that managed to make Kuritans look like good guys. Well, I guess Word of Blake too but they aren't around yet.

[@shadewolf0075]

Nah comstar was the word of Blake at this point

[@BIGESTblade]

@@shadewolf0075 It literally wasn't. They thought they could work with clanners and gain while everyone else lost. Afterward they have become outright heroic. Word of Blake is so evil that regular old Comstar looks nice.

[@shadewolf0075]

@@BIGESTblade I don’t think you understand comstar. Before the invasion comstar was ACTIVELY ensuring the succession wars were as brutal as possible to make the innersphere regress technologically so that they can rule humanity from ashes. They were the main reason the second and third succession wars happened. They actively tried to take over the entire sphere with operation Scorpio and were simply using the clans to help their quest of destroying anyone who could oppose their rule

[@BIGESTblade]

@@shadewolf0075 I am aware that it was doing that. Word of Blake is infinitely worse than even that. They commited atrocities not seen since the age of war. On Necromo I would argue they did even more. It's one thing to try and take over the Inner Sphere, every Great House has been trying to do exactly that. But Word of Blake was actively trying to simply annihilate everyone who wasn't them. It wasn't even about power anymore, they just wanted everyone else dead.

[@BIGESTblade]

@@shadewolf0075 I am aware of that. And Word of Blake did worse. It did so much worse that the Inner Sphere went back to the Age of War during the Jihad. What happened on Necromo far outpaces even that. Word of Blake wasn't after taking over the Inner Sphere anymore, it just wanted everyone else dead.

[@lsumd2011]

Little did "Galaxy Commander" know, his action that day damned his entire clan to destruction. Couldn't have happened to a friendlier group of elitist asshats, but still.

[@umngyr]

Even worse, it may have doomed the entire clan war effort. Due to the dishonorable brutality of Smoke Jaguar, Clan Wolf bid away all future use of warships in strategic planning, forcing the other clans to do the same or lose face. Perez basically just cost the clans their greatest strategic asset, as the Inner Sphere basically had no counter to warships other than Comstars fleet assets.

[@lsumd2011]

​@umngyr To be fair, lore wise, the clan invasion was doomed from day 1. All the clans, save wolf, royally underestimated how much resources it would take to invade the sphere, and wolf was activally sabotaging the invasion from the get go. This just gave wolf the excuse to screw the clans out of thier naval assets and gave the sphere a rallying cry unite and kick clan ass.

[@eldrickzod6980]

@@umngyr There were a few hidden naval assets within each house but well hidden. Not enough to push back against a naval assualt by a clan so best to keep it all hidden.

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

​@@lsumd2011clan wolf is part of the wardens that did not want to invade the IS, they weren't sabotaging the invasion, more like imposing their views on the crusaders

[@LauftFafa]

@@lsumd2011 didnt the clans win in the end though ? Revival itself was a limited success yes but it gave tham a big area that was a stepping stone that allowed them on long term dto unify the region in the Ilkhan era

[@Quackerilla]

"Fuck Turtle Bay" -Galaxy Commander Cordera Perez

[@TheKingOfHalo]

"Dude got wrecked" - Another guy

[@MM22966]

Crazy to think this was just Wednesday during the Star League Civil War.

[@Bomfunker91]

First Succession War sitting over in the corner going "Lightweights."

[@shaoyukhoo7267]

@@Bomfunker91 Tintavel says "Hello".

[@Ratstranger]

Reunification War sends it's regards. On Taurus front all kind of WMDs were used

[@woodwyrm]

"Ow! My bruised ego!" -- Cordera Perez

[@mikecampos1193]

By the way didn't COMSTAR literally played this to Terra citizens and every House and this is what led to so much people joining the COMGUARD.

[@Fingered22]

Don't you have to be born into the Comguards?

[@jakerooke174]

@@Fingered22no the general of the comguard was a Steiner

[@Fingered22]

@jakerooke174 well, yeah but I'm not talking about the madman himself. Comstar normalizes exceptions all the time. Im talking about the lower dregs of the comguards like the infantry and whatnot. I could be a complete buffoon and not

[@shervinmarzock7021]

I must say Perez voice actor who also i think voiced Sub zero in mk1 has done a great job as creating one of the me personly hated charakter of all time most of the time i had wished i could go into my mech and give him my opinnion with the AC 20 at his granr plans

[@the_sneaky_snek]

@@shervinmarzock7021 depending on which ending you pick in the campaign. You just might get the chance to do it

[@shervinmarzock7021]

@@the_sneaky_snek yes but i must say it would be better if you as Jaden can defeat and humilate him in Single combat Person to Person

[@Keegan308]

Happened exactly how Prof. Tex described it in his most recent lesson.

[@Anon26535]

Dear little sister, I don't think you'll hear from me ever ag'in I hope you and mom and doing alright back home on Luthien I see shooting stars up here in the sky, even though it's still day Please don't tell our mom I'm on Turtle Bay

[@Mazryonh]

That's pretty good. Maybe to make it truly Draconis-Combine-style, it should take the form of a Haiku or something like that?

[@morvent9668]

@@Mazryonhhe’s referencing a Russian war song called Don’t Tell Mom I’m in Afghanistan. There are modernized versions for Chechnya, Ukraine, etc.

[@Jake-777-7]

​@@morvent9668yeah, but Napalm sticks to kids. (Its a vietnam song)

[@ESC_907]

Ah, that Panther’s auto-polarization of its cockpit saved its pilot!

[@chernobylwendigo3994]

Those mechs paint scheme makes them look like Jade Falcons. I approve.

[@the_sneaky_snek]

@@chernobylwendigo3994 was going for John Deere branding. But that works too

[@swordmonkey6635]

Delta Galaxy of The Jade Falcons to be specific... and I too approve.

[@Ironhold_Watch]

​@@swordmonkey6635good

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

Jade falcons suck ass. They were lucky Peter Davion chose smoke jaguars instead of them as the target to be wiped out

[@iceydicey77]

Funny how kurita are basically the good guys in this situation

[@umngyr]

nah. They're still asshats, the story just wants us to dislike the jaguars.

[@Shadowdrag00n]

I know right, this bombing was impersonal, what the Kuritians did at Kentares IV was so personal and the body count was way..WAY higher.

[@rolinthor]

The Kuritans are always the good guys!

[@Aedryel]

Dracs and Jags killing each other? I just need a coffee.

[@malcontender6319]

@@rolinthor Said from the cockpit of a Jenner no doubt.

[@Myuutsuu85]

The city's destruction still pales to what the Combine did on Kentares.

[@bthsr7113]

That was a long time ago, but the Combine still ain't great

[@darkalman]

The Clans couldn't understand why the Kuritan's were willing to sacrifice so much to save Theodore Kurita's life Ironically he would be the man to organize the successful defense of the Combine and even Luthien itself against them.

[@DoomStarRequiem]

Ahh the stupidity of the clans. Hopefully they don't learn from this and take over Terra in a daring attack led by plot armored clan Wolf and Alaric Wolf.

[@nerdytom6881]

Do not get me started on that. I Am Jaded Falcon.

[@EmperorPylades]

@@DoomStarRequiem the only thing more consistent than the Plot Armour of the Puppers is the ability of the Lords of the Great Houses to be complete and utter morons. As annoying as the ascension of Alaric Ward to the big chair is, I am amused by just what an utterly empty throne it's turning out to be so far. "What if you declared a Star League and nobody came?"

[@iller3]

@@EmperorPylades that description fits Lyran, Liao, and Marik pretty well, while Kurita just reaps what it sows and Davion also continues to reap whatever Kurita sows because they're in the splash zone

[@Klaaism]

Humanity in general. Granted a faction was needed to make the original Hero Clan look good. Smoke Jaguar! Its a nice update to see things more from their viewpoint, and keeping it Smoke Jaguar. This is the clan that values warriors so much they ignore science and everything else to the point where they just steal tech from other clans. Talk loudly about honor while pulling the most underhanded tactics. Moving up in the ranks as a freeborn? Hah! get back to work, freeborn scum.

[@jakerooke174]

When you think about it Turtle bay was an atrocity only to the clans but to everyone else it’s just one city

[@AtholAnderson]

Ah the Clanner temper tantrum...'superior' my ass

[@mattholt1388]

Should they have simply opened with their full firepower instead of holding back at all?

[@csnation]

The Cinematic doesn't capture the scale of destruction as written in the novels imo. The novel literally explained that the naval lasers literally "melted/vaporize" sky scrapers, that is how powerful even Naval lasers are and they are the weakest weapons on the Sabre Cat (Essex class destroyer). Also Turtle bay was a city and the bombardment wiped out over a million lives (they kinda stopped counting after 1 million) and the Sabre Cat use energy weapons and naval autocannons. Now although those look like missiles, we can let it slide because Sabre Cat is firing from orbit, even hypersonic shells designed to hit moving targets at high speeds (multiple Gs) will look slow considering typical warships are at Geosynchronous orbit (aka 35000 km away).

[@KILLERAOC]

Book says that the river that flowed through the city actually boiled away during the bombardment

[@stephenconnolly3572]

OK so far in all of these cutscenes, the thing that bugs me the most is how lethargic the mechs are. A Panther just...casually walking, fires one of his weapons at a much larger mech. The pilot of the Mad Dog then takes his time casually turning toward the direction of fire. The Panther then STOPS to fire a single srm 4. Its the same with the other scenes. An Arctic Cheetah walking up to and STOPPING in front of a Warhawk. Where is the speed and quick movements? Mechs are powered by artificial muscles that let them move fairly fluidly. These mechs all like chunkybois.

[@Klaaism]

Battletech is not meant to be acrobatic Gundams doing Swan Lake across a battlefield. Battletech Mechs are suppose to be big and stompy. Granted for videogame cinema, the studio could have spiced it up easily tactics wise.

[@stephenconnolly3572]

@@Klaaism You are right, I'm not looking for mech ballet, but light mechs should NEVER just stop to fire, especially right in front of an assault.

[@stephenconnolly3572]

@@Klaaism kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqasfICmoZafnM0&ab_channel=D.C.Bruins I love this one as a visual

[@mikesurlygentlemanwalton]

That's the evil kitties for you...

[@Kepora1]

Clan Shitty Kitty

[@jadehell89]

This is nothing compared to what the Word of Blake will do when they launch the Jihad.

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

people so offended about smoke jaguar passifying a city, hope they never google kentares and see what kuritas do when they win

[@shaoyukhoo7267]

Kentares was less about Kurita winning and more of the fact that that one Davion sniper didn't realize who he just killed and that led to that guy's batshit-crazy son basically going ape and making Auschwitz and Pol Pot look like kindergarten art projects. All it achieved was galvanizing the AFFS into taking back their worlds and most of the Kuritan forces being demoralized by the sheer barbarity of the whole thing.

[@EndlessInfinity1]

And then ol smoked jaguar gets humiliated at Wolcott

[@Luciferdesrea]

Oh look. It's the slaughter that made Smoke Jaguar the primary target of the Inner Sphere's ire. Dumbasses.

[@kennylee7945]

The dude just executed order 66

[@MM22966]

I hope Michael Stackpole is smiling.

[@QuantumNova]

"FIRE EVERYTHING!!" Nero: Galaxy commander, you have to put more motion into it. I did it better.

[@bradhedgehog12]

Can’t believe Perez told us to do this. Now I know what happened.

[@StrikerA268]

Dracs... oh no... well anyway

[@V1OIWTF]

Man. That mission later down the road? Mmmmm damn it felt good dropping a specific mech within 10 seconds of getting off the dropship thanks to a daishi with 2 uac20 solids. If you know, you know. No spoilers!

[@Kainsdisciples]

That was one brave Panther.

[@Elitex62]

"Erza, are the baddies?"

[@Jake-777-7]

To be fair... orbital bombardment is the only rational course of action during inter-planetary warfare.

[@TheKingOfHalo]

The Covenant agree.

[@Kref3]

And this ultimately led to the entire destruction of clan Smoke Jaguar. And that makes the hole game a bit sad for me. I like my player characters. And while I know that there is no happily ever after for any Clan warrior - they inevitably all die in combat - I don‘t really like liking my characters, knowing that they will all die before turning 30 (except maybe Naomi, who is a bit older), because let‘s be clear, no Jaguar truborn MechWarrior Star like ours will not fight and die during operation Bulldog.

[@the_sneaky_snek]

@@Kref3 completed the campaign yet? There's 2 different endings. One of which gives a bit of hope for our star

[@kdbx2sec]

@@the_sneaky_snek They get nuked on Outreach by the Wobblies after 3067?

[@venom0825]

Currently in the lore smoke jaguar has come back. Apparently a good number of them survived and needed to play the long game to reform themselves. So it's possibly the main character survives.

[@shaoyukhoo7267]

@@venom0825 Keep in mind that Clan Smoke Jaguar's reformation came about in 3151 following the ilClan Trial, during the ilClan era. MW5: Clans is set during the Clan Invasion era (3049-3052). The possibility that Jayden and co. survives is marred by the fact that a lot of stuff happens in between the years that follow: either they perished along with the rest of the 362nd during/before Operation BULLDOG (in Mia's path), or they eventually got swept up during the kerfuffle that is the Dragoon Civil War (in Ezra's path).

[@venom0825]

@@shaoyukhoo7267 still possible 🤷‍♂️.

[@wolfpreist]

hey look, its clan smoked jaguar.

[@Prich319]

Was the Watch run by Kael Pershaw? If no, then it's even more ass than SAFE.

[@ultrajd]

John Deere mechs

[@sillerbarly4927]

Oh boy Turtle Bay

[@dog209]

Now lay Texas talking about it over the Cinematic lol

[@EmilioGonsalez-d4k]

In his raged, he did a move What she thought was going to fix he did something horrible at the at the end we’re supposed to be liberating not destroying

[@Dazzxp]

The jags have a rep if they come across resistance they will destroy cities like they did with the pentagon worlds.

[@EmilioGonsalez-d4k]

@@Dazzxp well orders are orders thank you

[@NonstopRam]

rip turtle bay people

[@bigboi7817]

Temuera morrison is galaxy commander?

[@82MPN]

The reaspn why Smoke Jaguar -> smoked Jaguar

[@TheRumChum]

*Insert "GET OUT!!!" meme*

[@mitchelltyner5670]

When I played this mission I was shaking my head. How the hell did they get the dude off planet when the whole planet was under a no fly order with the Smoke Jag fleet around it... how the heck did a transport just magic it's way through? makes no damn sense. After they were like "He got away." I was thinking, man they should just nuke the whole planet and be done with this crap.

[@darthfenrir4892]

Honesty after this game I'm working my way back through the Blood of Kerensky trilogy, partly because of this. I don't remember exactly how Hohiro got out and want to see if the book has that detail

[@iller3]

because it was the Yakuza, that's why

[@hunterlord101]

@@iller3 Certified Dame Da Ne Clan moment

[@lordsolarmacharius9213]

If I remeber right he was still on planet. It was a fake so that Smoke Jaguar lifts the blockade so that he then could leave the planet.And sorry English is not my native tongue

[@srboboron]

Dropships sneak on and off planets all the time, sensor range is limited. Story convenience. He was either already off planet in a different dropship or he was waiting until after they thought he was, or thought he was dead, while waiting at a hidden dropship somewhere on the planet.

[@AlphaAurora]

Shouldve glassed Luthien. Oh well, ilClan wins

[@envynemo4170]

why is there delta galaxy falcon mechs there?

[@nerdytom6881]

Malvina Hazen looking through the portal of time for inspiration on how to behave?.

[@justicar5]

Because you can customise your Mech paintjob

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

It's a custom paintjob being used by the player. And it's a john deere paintjob, not jade falcon delta galaxy. It's based of a joke from MWO where getting lots of damage is usually referred to as farming.

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

Why didn't the jaguars just do this from the start instead of sending ground troops

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

Cause it's dishonorable. If you play the game the guy who did it loses his command, and all the other clans get really upset at smoke jaguar. Clan Wolf decided that because of this incident they wouldn't use Warships in military combat operations throughout the rest of the entire invasion. And cause of honour all the other clans had to do the same thing.

[@Makaan]

Pure comedy: the SLDF of old used to nuke planets like it was the most normal thing, and after that the Sucessor States did the same during their turf wars. This is just a lil chinese burn in comparison, not to mention the Dracs have their own history of atrocities to be proud of (I believe they usually refer to it as "bushido"). Pretty sure the Taurians would like to have Cordera in their ranks.

[@christianescudero3496]

Is Akari Ito a clanner? If so, why is she using a contraction? (I'm)

[@the_sneaky_snek]

She's a comstar rep

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

What snek said, basically during the clan invasion the Clans agreed to leave comstar mostly alone if comstar didn't let any HPG messages off world from clan planets. So they were working together a bit.

[@steinarbergstl5799]

She works for the greatest villain in Battletech: The telephone company. Comstar not only colluded with the clans for their own reasons, they are also pretty much responsible for the fact that the Inner Sphere factions are more technologically primitive than the clans. Whenever someone in the Inner Sphere was doing something which could lead to a technological breakthrough or rediscover Star League tech Comstar would use sabotage, assassinations and false flag raids to remove the threat to their technological superiority in the Sphere.

[@TheChillee]

My question is were those orbital munitions nukes?

[@florence9606]

I think lore-wise they were, or something close to it. This is the first moment that really messed up the invasion for the clans since basically all the other Clans were like "whoa, there's no honor in nuking a city from orbit" and the Wolves made a motion to remove all orbital assets from combat use against ground targets. On the Inner Sphere side, it just pissed everyone off "remember Reach" style and made every militia, partisan, merc, civilian dissident, and professional soldier fight that much harder against the Clans.

[@st4rm4st3r]

@@florence9606 "remember Turtle Bay" oh my god that has a ring to it :D

[@moistjohn]

​@@florence9606it also was the moment smoke jaguar were dead men walking. They would never come back from this.

[@EmperorPylades]

A Naval Autocannon 20 (which the Saber Cat had 12 of) does 20 damage in the Battlespace rules for tabletop. The thing is though, that these are Capital scale weapons, and every 1 point of capital scale weaponry translates to 10 points at Mech scale. Those lasers? 35 capital damage. For perspective for those who don't know the tabletop, a Clan PPC, one of the most feared weapons for how hard it hits and it's ability to cripple limbs with a single shot, is 15 Mech scale damage. They're bombarding with weapons designed to blast at other warships, and the Saber Cat is on the small side, being an Essex class destroyer, so she's 'only' 615 meters long. The entire Clan way of warfare was developed specifically to *avoid* incidents like this, to prevent civilian death and the destruction of infrastructure. The warriors who founded the Clans had seen entire planets killed in the Amaris and Pentagon wars, and were living on barely habitable, resource poor worlds; wastefulness is one of the biggest social taboos in their culture. The viciousness and unchecked aggression of the Smoke Jaguars had already earned the enmity of every other Clan, this action made them all but pariahs.

[@adamrocket8656]

No. If we're being lore accurate, the Essex class would have conducted an orbital bombardment with its autocannon & energy batteries. It only has a couple of small missiles meant for anti-fighter or anti-dropship defense.

[@namu5583]

Sick!

[@thomascraiker6449]

Perez did nothing wrong, he's the only guy looking out for Smoke Jaguar.

[@wooohooo103]

😂😂😂

[@st4rm4st3r]

by InnerSphere standards sure, but by Clan standards he REEEEEEALLY messed up hard lol

[@johnnybaxter1953]

@@st4rm4st3rwdym by that

[@lowebaa]

I enjoyed the cutscene. The voice acting, however, reminds me of watching a Netflix Korean movie. Lol.

[@danielcamacho1913]

The voice actor for Perez was _the worst_

[@cedrie4321]

as i she the girl looking throught the glasses it looket licke Mw 3 Intro.

[@HHHThanatos]

Need a new PC.. :(

[@Aedryel]

No. Need a new PPC. :v

[@Heckibrd]

Clan smoke jaguar is justified in their actions. They dont have the capabilities to lead a long prolonged war with all the inner sphere and unlike in the perhipery where the clans would actually be welcomed as liberators from tyranical pritate warlords, Kuritians have propaganda and unhealthy levels of loyalty to the ruling class. Smoke jaguar already defeated the official forces of turtle bay in honorable combat and the rest of the fighting gureilla warfare by the yakuza. Anyways if you fight like Iwo jima you're gonna get a nagasaki. The other invading clans had a much easier time in their corridor. The house steiner and rashalhague have cultures that don't produce as much fight to the death mentality. So they wouldn't have to resort to warships at least by this point in the invasion. Smoke jaguar did nothing wrong and were betrayed by the other clans

[@228R_LavaDa1shi]

eh, I see your point, and it does make some sense, but clanners are so honour bound the clans including other smoke jaguars would probably only see how dishonorable killing civillians is, not what it accomplished. And blowing up a whole city could also be considered a large waste of resources, and the clans hate waste, so they a may have been losing out in that way as well which would of upset some people. Also as you mentioned with the huge amount of loyalty the citizens and soldiers have for the Draconis combine it may have the opposite effect and make them fight harder and more on other worlds.

[@Synthonym]

Imagine waking up and choosing war crime apologia

[@-kingofsaiyannappa-9057]

The scene is kind of underwhelming. It feels like it's from a TV show instead of a blockbuster movie.

[@zorhamorningstar3862]

This is High Theater compared to what PGI has put out before.

[@agentoranj5858]

Ugh, the ship internals and camera effects look like Halo 4. Why can't game studios stop copying JJ Abrams after all these years? This style looks dated now and it looked awful when it was new.

[@dangarcia1617]

I try to get into this game but half the time i run a mission is bugs out and ruins the experience for me