Treat a Fever? Flu and COVID Update

[@Medcram]

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[@deborahkn1114]

In nursing school back in 1983, our instructors recommended no anti fever meds until 102 degrees F. That’s also how my mother (an RN who graduated in the 1950’s) treated her family.

[@Margo714P]

I've always told my kids to let fevers do their work. We are always so quick to take a pill to get rid of the 'symptom'. Well, I always thought of the temperature as a way to 'kill' the bug that was infecting you. Oh, and I never let it go past 102. Dang, I actually had something right. Yay for me!

[@D52M5]

You should allow it to go 104, then treat. Stopping at 102 is reducing innate system effects.

[@graysonric]

If it is her children, she can let their fever go to as high as 108 degrees.

[@Pepperboy555]

@@graysonric a fever of 108°F is considered extremely high and dangerous for children, and should be treated as a medical emergency; a temperature this high can potentially cause brain damage and requires immediate medical attention. But it’s your child to abuse so you do you.

[@yasmine4754]

​@@graysonricIt rarely, if ever, goes that high.

[@danaking3568]

Last year I tried not treating fever for flu and I ended up getting dehydrated and kidney pain. I was just sleeping so much and not drinking enough. So if you don't treat, make a point to make yourself get enough fluids and electrolytes!

[@thomashaupt4211]

This story is not helpful. Don't give medical advice based on your subjective experience on a channel that prioritizes evidence. You like the sound of your voice a bit too much.

[@MNP208]

@@thomashaupt4211ooof! That’s harsh! It’s definitely important to push fluids. Two things can be true at the same time!

[@drew2fast489]

All he said was stay hydrated. ​@@thomashaupt4211

[@RICDirector]

Excellent point. Any time one is ill, really need to push hydration to enable your body to do its best to rid you of infection.

[@seands650]

​@@thomashaupt4211your comment is pointless. If you're going to complain, at least explain what you're complaining about.

[@ccoppola82]

I remember people saying I was crazy for “sweating out” sickness when I was younger. It usually seemed to work though. Uncomfortable for a night but worth it

[@kessu83]

i do the same.

[@ziva1]

I used to do the same but I haven't had a fever in 30 years except for covid when it went up to 101 degrees briefly.

[@marstedt]

17:10 - fever study conclusion 19:27 - negative effects of hyperthermia 20:00 - opinion

[@johnbillings5260]

I always try to ride out low grade fevers because your body knows what it's doing.

[@RICDirector]

Argh...I have nasty 'my skin is jumping off' low grade fevers and it is downright painful.

[@l23918]

I'm from Hong Kong, back in the 60's when I was a kid, my mom will make us sweat, not allowing our arms out of the comforter, and the fever went down in couple of days. But arriving in Canada, is the opposite, they tell u to wear less, rub with alcohol...I still do the old way I was taught.

[@MNP208]

Just wear your normal clothing. No reason to add extra layers. 😊

[@kadfael]

"rub with alcohol" or other option with a use of vinegar (especially in case of kids) it's a crime and should be punished.

[@sunrisetacticalgear2676]

I would definitely trust the old ways of your Culture. Thousands of generations before us survived before Big Pharma took over our health system.

[@gypsyjill6832]

Another doctor that doesn't discuss that fever temp is dependent on your normal daily temp. Mine is 96.5f which means I have potential for infection level fever at 98.6 or higher. Even though I told my doctors this information about myself, they have been known to ignore my request for infection or illness considerations. One time I ended up in the hospital for a week with intravenous anti-biotics and a grapefruit sized infectious cyst. When he was checking me out of the hospital, he said all caringly,..."Y'know your normal temp is under 97, so you need to pay attention to your temp if it approaches 99 when you are having any other illness or infection symptoms." I wanted to scream at him because I had told him that at least twice during these issues, and he had basically ignored me. Please people AND DOCTORS, recognize that your normal temp is not likely 98.6f, that's an average or a median temp, not necessarily your temp. Hence fever temp for you could be as low as 98/99 or as high 100/101. Know what you really are, not what doctors say you're supposed to be.

[@marymelchior9558]

It does raise the possibility that exercise improves your health in part through the temporary increase in body temp that boosts immune function.

[@Medcram]

Likely part of it.

[@bobgug8626]

And through improved mitochondrial health.

[@st3ppenwolf]

That was a great paper to go through. Thank you!

[@mariecurie7491]

I am 71. Got the flu New Year's Eve 2023. All around were urging me to take pills for the fever. I didn't. Stayed in bed for 3 days, then got up. All residual fatigue resolved in 10 days. I believe that the fever cured me; and I made loads of antibodies. Fit and well this winter, with lots of energy

[@tonyh2596]

Thanks so much for these videos, been watching the past 4yrs ago and I've learned so much from your videos. Keep up the great work you're doing!

[@ADHDGG]

I’m an RN and I’ve never treat fevers when my family gets sick. I do give Tylenol if they’re feeling pain and aches if not tolerable and my daughter hit 105 and I did give her Motrin and cooling measures. My daughter also doesn’t treat fevers in her child unless she’s very irritable. We learned that from my grandmother who, actually, would wrap us up in blankets when we had a fever.

[@keitoth9697]

Thank you! I totally wrap myself and heat myself up when I have a fever. It also helps me feel better because when you have a fever, your body makes you feel like you’re freezing. Your grandmother is smart and is aware of the old ways that worked.

[@loriward8441]

I'm just a grandmother. Yes I find this very interesting and informative Thank you for sharing

[@Find-Your-Bliss-]

Grandmothers are never “just a grandmother!” Grandmothers are amazing! I know, because I’m one, too. We hold families together.

[@sapelesteve]

Another excellent video Doc that I am sending off to my cousin (M.D.) for viewing. Whenever I had a fever as a child, I can remember the doctor telling my Father "it's just a fever, don't worry he will be fine". That was a long time ago! 👍👍

[@chalmerbasham695]

32deg no wind and sunny in East Tenn. Took my 20 minute walk to support my immune system.... A little sun goes a long way ...🌞

[@cheryljefferson2502]

Dr. Stephen Hoption Cann at the University of British Columbia has done excellent research regarding this topic.

[@larryloudman]

Really wanna see you talk about H. Pylori at some point! Given its resilience due to growing antibiotic resistance, it’s definitely set to be a relevant problem in the upcoming years following covid.

[@toddpeterson5904]

I've only had COVID once. I had a fever of 104.2. They kept in the hospital, but mostly to observe me because they were concerned that the fever would rise further or there would be complications. It felt terrible to have a fever like that, but I do think that because it wasn't treated, it helped me get better faster

[@richardkudrna7503]

Years ago I read the study where a researcher was permitted to heat patients with terminal cancer. He based his concept on ancient Egyptian methods. As I recall he saw significant benefit. He ran into seizure issues so started with anti seizure meds, then, tried active cooling of the head. A test subject (who was days from death) died during the heating but autopsy found blood imbalances. He added transfusion to his regimen and was showing large tumour shrinkage but after a second death during the procedure he was terminated. The underlying concept was that the immune system became more active at extreme fever at the same time the tumour tissue was less tolerant to the temperature than normal tissue. I wonder if this couldn’t all be restarted? If some additional selective stress could be added to the cancer?

[@javadivawithdog]

Let my fever work for me last time I got the flu, Jan 2019. Resolved in 36 hrs. That and 20 yrs of flu vaccination lol

[@idunsgarden]

That’s not how vaccination works.

[@lookingup9041]

Thank you, doctor, for this update. You are a true gem and blessing to us all. God bless you.

[@flake8382]

If you're getting a fever your body wants to be hot to fight the infection. Let it.

[@sooma-ai]

Dr. Seheult discusses the benefits of fever in fighting viral infections, explaining how elevated body temperature enhances immune response and antiviral gene expression. He questions the common practice of treating low-grade fevers, suggesting potential benefits of allowing fever up to 102.2°F.

[@MRCAGR1]

The elevated temperature is a symptom of the inflammatory phase of the immune system response, along with tiredness, lack of appetite.

[@hgbugalou]

Fabulous video. More doctors and people and general need to understand this. I really feel like treating fever so aggressively is going to be one of those things we look back on in a few decades and wonder what in the world we were thinking. I hope more studies are done. As you said, there is a threshold where treating it is critical and everyone should always go to the doctor whenever possible when running a fever over 100 degrees, but letting a healthy fever ride is just the body doing its best work in clearing infections. I would like to see studies in the future on if treating fever aggressively in childhood has any impact on immune dysfunction later in life and lay some additional light on the triggers of "1st world diseases" like wide spread allergies.

[@ningayeti]

I was a CCRN in pediatric intensive care for 33 years. In that entire time we didn't give Tylenol until the temp reached 38.5 UNLESS the child had a recent Hx of febrile Sz.

[@cactuscanine3531]

Febrile seizures don’t respond to Tylenol.

[@jansenart0]

Ever since I started just bundling up and sweating out fevers (2006, Army AIT, got sick on a Friday and was able to be back to train on Monday), I've gotten better, faster.

[@lamedicinaquetucuerponeces9116]

Great video

[@Medcram]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Virusskeptic-d3z]

To have a good quality of terrain and maintain it is necessary for health and wellness.

[@sunving]

Thank you , you are a great teacher.

[@virginiatyree6705]

Another great tutorial. Thanks for posting!

[@briangriffiths114]

Sound advice and all taken on board, thank you.

[@randomme0no]

Great stuff

[@hollygonzales1439]

My son has Dravet Syndrome. A fever for him is absolutely a seizure trigger.

[@DanteLikesRock]

a "syndrome" just means they don't know what causes it.

[@MNP208]

There are obviously exceptions. Follow his Pediatrician’s instructions! Most of the population does not have a seizure disorder.

[@RobertHouse101]

Well. I'm glad I became a Critical Care Nurse Specialist. Otherwise, I'm not sure how much of this I would understand. A few months ago, I had Co-Vid 19. Of course, the symptoms were so uncomfortable. It was when I developed a fever that I felt the worst. I took some Tylenol and felt much better. Significant bothersome symptoms came and went over two months. Glad I didn't die like so many others. Thanks. Always valuable. Rob

[@LisaKnobel]

I was in an aggressive treatment for tick born diseases. One night I spiked a 104F fever with chills. I knew what was going on and knew that a trip to the ER would be a waste of time. Si I drew the hottest bath I could and soaked until I stopped shivering. I slept well and woke up feeling much better. I also did a year of weekly trips to a hotspring. I would soak for two hours. I made the most improvement that year. My brain fog and fatigue would completely disappear.

[@alexandrecouture2462]

Thank you, it does make sense!

[@Medcram]

You're welcome!

[@lynnetx5521]

This is great information.

[@Gama22222]

Thank you so much Dr Seheult! It might be me not being able to find it but have you ever done a video on how to stay uptodate after finishing medschool? Some of us go to do research for some time instead of clinical and man do I miss being up to speed with everything. I want to do it to be a ready to continue clinical after some time! Cheers and thank you so so much!!!

[@Medcram]

I haven’t but we do provide CME units on our medcram.com. Of course there are many other providers too.

[@auriellenazro2516]

Unrelated question: Considering Trump’s ordering a ban on Health Agencies on sharing info on the Bird Flu and halting scientific publications on the Bird Flu as well as leaving the WHO, can you still help us stay up to date on the Bird Flu? Your info during the early stages of COVID protected my entire family. Forewarned is forearmed. Please tell us that you can keep us updated…..

[@Medcram]

🫡

[@Turtledove2009]

@@Medcram Yes, please keep us informed.

[@williamevans6522]

What ban? I don't believe it.

[@fouzisultan245]

Great talk on a very important topic. I wonder how long it will take practicing doctors to put this into practice. I find many doctors still ignorant about this.

[@emich7208]

Very informative, thank you

[@HappyCat3096]

My normal body temp is 97 or lower, so I feel pretty miserable when I get up to 100. I usually try to let it run but cool myself down with cool showers and towels to get some relief.

[@2901nc]

Shared!👍

[@lisatowe778]

Another fantastic video! I rarely have a fever or illness of any kind but I let it run its course. Maybe why I rarely have anything

[@teri2466]

Wow, fascinating. Thanks!

[@dj-kq4fz]

Thanks!

[@janetwilliams7705]

Thank you.

[@Medcram]

You're welcome!

[@Basement-Science]

it seems to me like we should really differentiate between a fever, and an "exceccive fever disorder", where the body by itself increases the temperature to dangerous levels, over 39°C. Surely some people will always tend towards getting a dangerously hight fever, while others only ever get a healthy fever under the same conditions.

[@chermarie332]

This is very helpful. I had just seen a post about this very topic. I have known for a long time that a fever can help, but I wasn't sure exactly how it worked. Your video really helped me understand more about how the innate immune system knows what to do. Thank you!

[@Medcram]

You are so welcome!

[@biodivers5294]

The body isn't stupid! We shouldn't be either and use the natural strategies for health...

[@222dyan]

Thank you, as a western medicine doctor talking about this. Interesting data very validating. I have never taken meds to lower my tempurature. If anything I get into a blanket and sweat it out more. It's my body's innate wisdom healing itself. To me this is so much of what western medicine gets wrong. Our bodies are amazing and know how to balance and heal themselves mostly.

[@davidgrimes4726]

Wow! So incredibly important!! Thanks for raising more awareness about this. I also wonder if there are widespread baseline immune deficits of a large unhealthy population who is now often living at 36.5C (97.7F) rather than 37. The mainstream view seems to be that human physiology has just changed and that's now perfectly normal, I really question that view. Are you guys aware of any research on this?

[@firegardendevine6039]

It seems reasonable since more and more people are suffering from metabolic dysregulation via diet and sedentary lifestyle lowering the bodies core temperature and/or the ability to generate energy. An idle furnace take a while to kick in when called upon. I believe the physiology follows the lifestyle. So no, there is no reason to accept this lower baseline as the "new" normal. Unless you subscribe to better living via big pharma.

[@natg_37]

I had a fever of 101.1 from Covid. I felt miserable but thought of the fact that it was my immune system that was doing this to help me gave me courage to endure and althought it left me exhausted, thank God I am slowly recovering. Today it's my 9th day and I am grateful for my immune system's response although it was a huge response that left me weak and tired. My hope is to recover and get treatment for possible long covid if there was damage left. This strain was different from the first initial infection back in 2020.

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

At some Covid19 patients I detected cold agglutination syndrom. At this patients must avoid to decrease body and lung temperature ,to avoid erytocite aggregation at low blood temperature. Because at finger level blood temperature can decrease,must warm hand at 38-39C to have a reel oxigen saturation. At patients with cold agglutination syndrom,by cold agglutinine or by cryoglobuline ( IgM) must use only warmed oxigen mix.

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

In pandemic I worked like emergency medic on ambulance, in Făget România. At some Covid19 patients with low oxigen saturation I warmed water in barbotor to increase oxigen temperature. And IT worked ,but only If oxigen have 37 C.(98F). Also at TWiV 659 at min29 german virologist Christian Drosten indicate that SARS COV2 was a temperature sensitive virus. Theoretically warmed oxigen mix can also mitigate SARS COV2 replication.

[@lbromo6607]

Great video! 👍🏻

[@susanlombardo8444]

I had a fever two years ago when I was on a cruise ship. I normally have 96.0 to 96.5 body temperature. I took my temperature because I was absolutely shaking freezing. My temperature was 101. I had no clue what was wrong with me. The only thing I knew is, I had an extreme headache, my head was just pounding. I did take a baby aspirin when I would be up which was every 4 to 6 hours. I was afraid I was going to explode. The pain was so bad. I did gargle with peroxide. I actually clean my ears with peroxide and a Q-tip. I put peroxide in my nose. I put essential oils all over my body and I slept on and off for two full days. Drinking only water everytime I woke. When I woke up the third day, I was fine. I felt like I was a little beaten up. Finally my temperature went down at that moment to 97. Which I realize was still a slight fever for me, I checked hours later and my temperature went down to my normal 96.5. I had a large mass/lesion on my forehead that several dermatologist wanted to do surgery on. That mass/lesion had disappeared when I woke up on that third day. 😮😮😮😮👍

[@dennistate5953]

Wow

[@LonelyMountainBand]

If I have learned anything its that everbody's body is very different. Get to know your own body, better than what the outside science is telling you. Both are important - but knowing what your own body is telling you is the most important. Stockpiling what your body needs before it gets sick is also of utmost importance... zinc, d-3, magnesium. Research supplement quality - they are not all the same. And finally: SLEEP - SLEEP - SLEEP. Prepare a well-defended sleeping fortress. White-noise, fans, humidifier or de-humidifier etc... demand that those around you allow as much sleep as your body needs to heal. Americans are notoriously sleep-deprived to begin with - embrace the sleep. (dont forget to hydrate/electrolyte yourself between hibernation episodes.)

[@GygaxGirl]

Most in my family run a degree cooler at 97.6 F. We presently have a flu after traveling. I don’t give any fever reducers, but i I do put gel ice packs to keep the head cool. I learned this from my mother. She's 87, not on a single med, but takes supplements. I wish it was warmer weather so we could get some sun.

[@pedestrianfare8175]

My friends and I debated the value of post vaccine fever. Does fever in the day after a vaccination, itself, teach the body anything? Also, about fever discomfort -- when I was a younger adult, I was weak and found fevers felt bone-breaking. As I built strength, they merely felt more like I'd overdone a workout the day before.

[@MRCAGR1]

The U.K. guidelines are not to use antipyretics to treat fever by itself but are not contraindicated if there’s discomfort alongside the fever. This applies to all age groups. Fever is an indication that there’s a strong immune response.

[@Virusskeptic-d3z]

It's simply detox.

[@mesamom62]

I run a low basal body temprerature. So when I hit 99, I start to feel really miserable. By the time I hit 100 I have chills and my muscles spasm (I have fibromyalgia). I have experienced a fever for about 4 days in a row of 104, and i spite of iv fluids, was dehydrated. It is dehydration that is dangerous. Some people throw up with a high fever, which increases dehydration. So my opinion is, it depends on the person. One thing I did with mastitis while I was nursing was to use localized fever, with heat applied to the affected breast.

[@sableminer8133]

I am just a layman, doc, but even i saw the huge landmark study that Tylenol barely worked better than a placebo. Also, like causes severe liver damage. A few years before they showed same for Ibuprofen, even more toxic😮

[@GeminieCricket]

Aspirin that lowers my fever is not as important as getting rid of the throbbing headache.

[@multivariateperspective5137]

You’d likely be better served to take a 1/2 teaspoon of pink salt in 10-16 oz of warm to hot water on an empty stomach and give it 20-30 min before any food

[@melange78]

I have never understood why so many American doctors treat low grade fevers, it is against the practice of all my medical literature including my American books. Is it some sort of Lutheran "get back to work" practice or what?

[@Virusskeptic-d3z]

When the mandates required temperature checks before walking into your workplace, they were highly concerned with a temp of 100°F, so that may be part of it.

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

I get pretty tachy now when I get a fever. What's the balance in treating?

[@Needless2say]

People with a fever generally feel cold and they typically want more blankets and want to be warmer. The body is intelligent.

[@yasmine4754]

We should really consider raising the parameters for treating a fever in he clinical setting, at least to 102.2, as you mentioned. But until then we have to follow our policies. Regarding myself, I never take anything for a fever, and I always spike up to 103 or even 103.8. It lasts for 24 hours and then drops sharply. The next day I feel so much better but I still rest, sleep and eat and drink. All my life that's been my body's pattern of response to viral infections, including vaccinations, especially the Covid vaccinations. Even though I get pretty sick for those one or two days, I'm over it after that. Others around me that most likely had the same virus or vaccinations, and who take the OTC combination cold medicines seem to have lingering symptoms and take longer to feel well again. Of course that's only empirical evidence.

[@autumnmoore2664]

Are there any studies showing people with CA present with slightly high temp before diagnosis?

[@khorweesiong]

Perhaps the next logical question is understanding when to intervene to either raise or lower the temperature? Perhaps factors such as age, blood pressure, heart rate, respiratory rate and oxygen saturation can be good indications of how well the patient is tolerating the elevated temperature? For example, if the patient’s heart rate, blood pressure and respiration rate are rising while the oxygen saturation is dropping, perhaps it’s time to start providing supportive oxygen and anti-pyretics?

[@wegder]

Many years ago after reading that fever was the body's natural way of fighting an infection I decided not to fight a fever unless my fever got very high, so maybe I was right.

[@waltm4674]

I think the elevated fever improving the fighting is well studied and sound. One thing not considered though is treating the inflammation in the rest of the body. As we saw in covid this can cause issues with loss of taste and smell even with lower fevers. Overall, most people take OTC to feel better from aches and pains so they can work or other reasons.

[@tangojuli209]

This is fascinating and you made very complex findings easy to understand. Question: I have a low body temperature (as did my father). Often 96.2, a few times in my 20s at 95. How does this info translate for people with naturally low body temp?

[@TheHappyCoder]

Are these thresholds for in ear temperature?

[@tomcruise8780]

Would all increases in body temperature produce these effects ? Exercise, sauna etc..

[@kevinmarcus465]

Ran 102-104 for 4 days with Covid-19 and had double pneumonia and I let it run its course for the most part. At 1 point I did take meds to bring it back to 103. Day 5 got in natural sun light, lots and lots of water and rest and broke the fever. Did it suck, YES...was I miserable, YES! But 02 was 90 and heart rate 100-110 resting. So I believe a fever is a good thing up to a certain point.

[@Virusskeptic-d3z]

Now we know that being in sunlight can help with illness, so it's possible that if you had tried sun before the 5 day mark, then you might have not had it for that long, and if you regularly had it before then, who knows, perhaps this would have been minor.

[@kevinmarcus465]

@Virusskeptic-d3z glad you said that. I had a friend that would get the worst colds and flu and I kid you not he would force us to take him out and get in the sun. Im talking mid summer, dead heat and he would lay on the ground (skateboard park) while we skateboard 🛹 and we would look over to make sure he was alive. Next day he almost be recovered. He would have a fever and everything and when I asked why are you going out with us he said he needed to be in the sun? Now it makes sense

[@Virusskeptic-d3z]

@@kevinmarcus465 this doc has a video on the sun. Basically, if you can get 15 minutes of sun (at a minimum) each day, it should reduce chance of developing any health problems. It's that good.

[@kevinmarcus465]

@ Thank you!

[@Virusskeptic-d3z]

@@kevinmarcus465 you're welcome

[@iosmom]

how frequently does standard medical practice ignore the wisdom of the body? how much do various drugs undermine it? i am 70 and rarely reduced fever in my children or myself. i have since wondered if fever suppression results in incomplete elimination of pathogens resulting in lingering sub acute long term infection. thanks for the information on lack of fever in the elderly with covid. when i had it, i could not get warm for 2 weeks and wished for a fever but never had one, again thanks for the probable explanation

[@davin8r]

I guess the question is if the beneficial effects of NOT treating the fever outweighs the symptomatic benefits of taking acetaminophen? Is it worth being sick one less day if I'm even more miserable the entire time because aches/pains/headaches are even worse? Is there a good alternative for symptoms that won't decrease body temp, such as tramadol?

[@Mr1Spring]

A sauna is really good! Here where I live (The Netherlands), there are plenty of public sauna's around. But I've got no clue if there are sauna's in the US. Anyone any idea?

[@miuixtli]

I've tried recently to not medicate my fever as much. But my fevers come with body aches and pain, which has been really hard to go through.

[@Sam-f1k8e]

last time i had flu was the last time i got a flu shot in 1989. only vaccine i ever get is Tetanus every 12 years or so.

[@chrisminifie219]

What implications does this have for deliberately raising body temperature using a sauna or by exercise?

[@chocojavachip]

2:48 I always thought the definition of a low grade fever was between 98.6 - 100.4

[@irenag3994]

Would fever benefit still hold for bacterial pneumonia?

[@MickisMom]

Do we know if the cytokine response is different whether treating or not with Tylenol? We know that the cytokine storm is most troubling with at least Covid.

[@Lennybird91]

My wife and I were having a healthy debate on treating the fever of our kids going through the flu. Are guidelines generally different for peds? This was very informative, thanks!

[@z352kdaf8324]

I had goosebumps and chills, but still 98.6F on the temp gauge. So I guess I'm regulating ok.

[@wpgc2]

Chinese doctors recommend drink more water and dress warmly even when you have fever. They said sweating can expel the bad stuff. I thought this is due to cooling effect of sweating but turns out it may be more than just physics.

[@joshuastavos4376]

Could soaking in a hot tub help you when you have the flu provided you enjoy the hot tub for this purpose?

[@Medcram]

If it increases your body temp then yes.

[@CookiePepper]

I use 葛根湯 when I feel catch a cold and stay in the bed snd keep warm. Only drink hot water or tea. 葛根湯 Kakkonto make you slightly higher body temperature.

[@kaycartwright7311]

I'm Japanese and very familiar with kakkonto.

[@lindachandler2293]

With my fever hit a 105 I thought I'd better do something before I cooked myself. One Tylenol and my 3 day rising fever broke.

[@Pug71]

My temperature always goes down to 97. something when I get sick with Flu.

[@TheHappyCoder]

I let the fever be for a few days of illness but decided to drop it before sleep when the body aches became impossible to tolerate. The mattress felt like it was a torture device. Btw sleep is also important for recovery. Wonder to see the stats on that.

[@atrebla6771]

Thanks for the inspiring video, Doc! While watching it, it reminded me of what my paediatrician would tell my mum when I was a little girl and had a fever (I came down with something very frequently): she let her give me acetaminophen only when the fever was greater than 38°C (I would always felt sick with symptoms when my body temperature reached 37°C and at 38°C I felt just completely unable to do anything during the day and had to stay in bed). She would, however, let my mum give me Flurbiprofen (similar to Ibuprofen, but of a lower dosage, too) to treat symptoms even from 37°C. Since the Covid-19 pandemic, I've seen doctors here recommending everyone high dosage Ibuprofen when the very first symptoms appear (regardless of body temperature). After watching the video, I was left with more curiosity and doubt. Now I wonder whether NSAIDs, too, should be taken with more caution in the 37°-38°C (or even 37°-39°C) temperature ranges. Are there any studies pointing towards that direction, for example, or, contrary to Acetaminophen, they don't seem so much to affect negatively the immune system response? I would love to know something more about that in the future... Thank you

[@zeacee]

Get Jak, STAT ! Transcription prescription and Mighty mitochondria. When do you treat a neutropenic fever ?

[@t81629]

Question on the last slide, as an ICU doc, do you ever see pts admitted for fever induced hyperthermia symptoms?

[@Medcram]

Yes. For things like serotonin syndrome or neuroleptic malignant syndrome.

[@maggie1128]

Glad you finally caught up to ancient treatments of fevers by the East.

[@mrtimjitsu]

My daughter just got over being sick for about a week, and her fever got up to 105.3. I gave her just enough tylenol and motrin to bring it down to a more reasonable temperature like 102-103. It was odd though that even when she was at a 105 fever she seemed okay considering how high it was. I run high fevers too but when I hit 104 I am absolutely miserable.

[@richardkudrna7503]

Hypothetical question: after three mRNA I contracted Covid. My fever was very high, throat pain was up around 8. Gunshot level throat pain. Afterwards, I learned my adaptive immune system is badly damaged. Immunologist explained to me cytokine storm “burn out” (you can infer I didn’t properly follow the explanation of why an immune system overreaction damaged immune system ) so now have permanently abnormal low IgA, IgG, IgM, numerous abnormalities involving levels and ratio of CDx values. My question is, had I taken Tylenol to lower temperature, might I have avoided the immune system damage? My understanding is that autoimmune activity involved attacking all the vascular tissue which had transcribed in the spike producing RNA. So I don’t know if the immune system damage happened prior to the Covid infection. After second shot I had a heart attack and stroke, then after third shot I had severe myocarditis. My understanding is that the myocarditis is nearly certainly caused by autoimmune attack of all the heart tissue which had previously been transcribed into. So I don’t know if the immune system damage happened at the shots or at the Covid. If it was at Covid, might Tylenol have protected me?

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