Why Was She Rejected With a 516 MCAT and 3.88 GPA? | Application Renovation (S3 E8)

[@adamtickal8795]

Next week, we'll look at an applicant with a 524, 4.0, and 400 clinical hours who received no interviews

[@drake2730_]

Sounds about right 😂😂

[@Smacy]

😂😂😂

[@rutho.6282]

😭😭😭

[@coachpoes822]

Just goes to show that your stats aren't everything.

[@seunesther]

LOOOL

[@Pete-da-peter]

Again, we can't thank all of you guys enough for putting ya application out there, so others can learn

[@shlorwhor19]

Takeaway: focus on your impact and what you experienced in your activities. STAY AWAY from negatives or judgements

[@cander6751]

Everyone is talking about how she didn’t get in because of her negative writing but I wouldn’t expect anyone has a high chance to get in only applying to 4 schools

[@stefani991]

I thought this as well... I bet they were all difficult schools to get into as well

[@TeawithZ]

If you apply in a specific category, that isn’t essentially the case. I have a friend who applied to state schools and “lower tiers” only (focusing on the ones that had community service as a mandatory factor of their school, which was a majority of her hours) and got into all 5

[@Pete-da-peter]

unless you dad give away 2 buildings. applying to 4 schools is risky regardless your stats

[@jacobharris8805]

Stop calling schools “low tier” or “high tier.” It doesn’t exist....

[@Pete-da-peter]

@@jacobharris8805 that's true. it such a false narrative that tend to give student hope, but in reality it doesn't exist.

[@misteree78]

I am a physician and went to OHSU many years ago. I was also on the admissions committee for a short time. I can tell you that your application looks very similar to many that apply. He's right that you need to keep doing some clinical/shadowing work if you didn't get in this year. However, it was likely a coin flip between you and another applicant. Definitely create a positive, cohesive narrative that highlights why you are the person that should be getting an interview. Also, doctors like things that are short, sweet and to the point. Good Luck. I know you can do it. (Also, apply to more places, like I said, it was likely a coin flip between you and other applicants. All you need to do is get into 1 program.)

[@camjo6397]

Only Dr. Gray could be this brutally honest and still be kind. He hit the nail on the head. I hope she can take his advice without taking it personally.

[@quantumlyra]

She just wrote about how she watched the experiences happened. She didn't talk about how it was actually meaningful and what impact she could potentially have on the lives of those with those experiences. Drawing attention to issues are great but how would you solve them for change for the better? True emapthy and compassion is the key. Where's the human connection? Book smart is great, but emotional intelligence is better. I wish her the best in her future endeavors ♥️.

[@hellohaynes]

I’m not even trying to get into medical school but as a nursing student I learned so much from this episode. Words mean more than you think. Stay positive people!! 😉

[@LuluBeLulu]

I think that she's drawn to medicine but is so concerned about burnout and difficulty that she is just showing hesitation. The reality is that she's hesitating and hasn't given her whole heart to this idea. She kind of wants it, but is worried.

[@shellyb5014]

Which goes back to her negative thinking. It makes her stuck

[@edwina7895]

This girl looks like a great applicant, but she uses so much negative language. Most of us don't like certain things or expect things to not go as we would want to, but you definitely don't write those things in an application.

[@UriValdez]

I think in general she sees the cup half way empty, but im glad she found out with this analysis and hopefully she can change it

[@yavuzkozoglu1031]

The sadness in her voice is... well sad lol but 4 schools is just too few, hopefully, she gets what she's looking for next cycle

[@tybera1114]

I like that Dr.Grey just sees through all these setups. It's extremely informative. I also agree that it's far too negative. Medical School is freaking hard, no one needs someone running around saying "Why are we doing this?", "Oh no, I know I'm going to hate this rotation." I can see her perspective on this, but it's important to understand how your attitude and outward demeanor affects others, and it seems like that perception is not there.

[@mreemzo9099]

Hahhahahh I had to rewatch this now this makes sense, hahhaha

[@Bejman13]

I'll be blunt and say it like it is. Awful application. Horrible. She has great stats on paper, but thats the only thing she has keeping her afloat in the conversation. Zero community service and zero shadowing/clinical experience, yet she talks about how she wants to help underserved communities. When she applied to only 4 schools, it tells me she automatically assumed she would get accepted and completely overestimated how hard it is to get an interview, and not willing to make the sacrifice to uproot her life. Her personal statement did not mention at all why she wants to be a physician and was generic and cliche. Not a single thing in her application explained why she would want to be a physician, and I am not convinced she really wants it.

[@chloebenjamin5599]

I also wish she could have added on some virtual shadowing hours. It’s the effort that counts and it’s better than no shadowing hours at all.

[@SriRam-zk5lc]

I’m really disturbed by his dismissal of the high suicide rate. It seems like the lives of our future doctors are being sacrificed so nonchalantly. More should be done to understand and address this issue.

[@smellypatel5272]

It's a real issue, and the fact that the process is so grueling and unforgiving is a testament to how doctors aren't cared about in society.

[@stylewithme365]

He's an AMA sellout

[@Obamnaz]

Just grind through school, don't have a high cost of living once you're done. You don't have to pick a surgical specialty or overwork yourself

[@abrahamdelatorre3246]

there probably just isn't enough correlation to becoming a physician and Suicide rates. I don't think he was dismissive just doesn't want to say something without actual research or proof @@smellypatel5272

[@frostassassin7265]

Her negative language is a secondary consideration here...... 4 schools is wayyyyy too low a number to apply to if you are dedicated to getting into USMD. Everyone should apply to 15 minimum (and that's if they have high stats).

[@Smacy]

I’m not a doctor but I’m a former English teacher (now pre-med!), and her writing here sounds like a ‘pain’ letter which are typically discouraged when job searching, and can come off as arrogant. So it doesn’t necessarily sound negative so much as, “I think I can fix this.” Does that make sense?

[@kamalei2888]

could you elaborate on this a little?

[@saysHotdogs]

There’s a very arrogant tone in the application which makes many of the experiences seem disingenuous. It opens full force with controversial political posturing and just spirals.

[@madisonhawk68]

I think one thing Dr. Grey alludes to in his advice and what is commonly missing from the multiple applications he creates videos about is servitude. A lot of young people want to be a doctor, like this student, because they are fascinated with medical science. They see the organs of the elk and are intrigued, they don't necessarily think of how the elk died, the children it may have left behind etc. And maybe this person did think about that, my point is not that these people are bad. My point is that empathy and compassion can often be overlooked. The best doctors with the most job satisfaction are there because servitude is fulfilling. I have witnessed many amazing doctors, and every one of them has a greater purpose beyond themselves. So one thing I take away from Dr. Grey's videos is that your school application should not be only about you. It should be about your impact on others like he mentions multiple times in the videos. This is coming from a senior nursing student going into emergency medicine who happened to stumble across his channel, but actually, I think I learned a lot that I will be able to apply in my future as an RN. Thank you Dr. Grey!

[@we3zer131]

thats definitely a great way to look at it!!! medicine is more than just about yourself. thats so insightful

[@cmparedes1058]

I love your statement “there are seasons of life”. Both of my parents are anesthesiologists, and growing up they definitely had to sacrifice a lot of family time to take a call and dedicate to their careers. However, as they are now in their 50s, both still practicing medicine, they have settled into jobs that allow them to balance work and life. They are so content with where they are and while they acknowledge the struggles and sacrifices it took to get to where they are they continue to say medicine was they best choice they ever made.

[@failyourwaytothetop]

It was easy to become a doctor back then. Little competition, low demands

[@breynoso19]

@@failyourwaytothetop And much much cheaper!

[@jeann3860]

I truly appreciate for bringing up your application here for a reviewing. It's a huge help for everyone who are going to apply in next cycle. Thank you again!

[@Jessi4Evr]

Had to comment because she is completely valid in wanting medicine to be only a part of her life. People should sign up for what they are most comfortable with and not let themselves be pushed too far. It’s crazy to think pre-meds should DESIRE a life of labor and sacrifice. 7+ years is a lot of time, especially as a woman in your 20s (family planning). If she can avoid moving to somewhere she doesn’t want to, she should continue with that. God forbid you have control over where you live... I wish this woman the best.

[@israeliana]

Right!! She doesn't have to sell her soul

[@TeawithZ]

What is a “part of your life” though? Some jobs are lifestyles, like my husband in the army. That is not just a job, It is a part of his entire being. It has shaped when/if we have kids, whether or not he would be okay living overseas, etc. Some jobs require “atypical” sacrifices which I do not believe you can ever be “comfortable.” It’s “comfortable being uncomfortable”

[@Jessi4Evr]

@@TeawithZ I agree some jobs are life styles but I think that if you have to spend $200k+ just trying to GET a job such as a medical doctor, you should not have to lose more such as sacrificing the way you want to live. But in the end we are ALL losing something- nobody wants to labor until the day we die but we have to. And like you said that affects when we want to have kids and our living placements and what not. I suppose I’m just trying to say that for all of us, we should be “selfish” when we can and not “sell our souls” to working.

[@TeawithZ]

@@Jessi4Evr this is fair, there are a lot of things about the medical application process itself that are very...strenuous LOL. To the point where it’s a no brainer that many URM struggle to get in because the expectations are ridiculous just to get into school itself. But I think, you kind of understand the name of the game when you sign up for this, ya know? So, at least don’t punch the air where they can see It. Not until you get a platform to do so (such as getting in/being a doctor).

[@Jessi4Evr]

@@TeawithZ Yes I very much agree with you; once one becomes a doctor is when one can really start talking and changing things

[@erinnorwood6124]

Improvement: No negativity, more about you as a person, shadowing, recent clinical experience. "Actions speak louder than words." Have experiences. Develop reasons why you want to be a doctor. No sales pitches. "Let your work speak for you." If you want to help certain people, go do it so it is evident. If you want to be a doctor, show patient care and not just research.Your activities should prove to you and the admission committee that you want to be a doctor.

[@Rlder199]

While very blunt & potentially harsh, this episode is absolutely church. I really appreciated how you challenged the student to leave their comfort zone and try to walk the walk. The seasons of life notion is also very key; many people have to bust their asses in the 18--early 30s range to establish themselves in their career, & medicine is no different. This is one of those very hard, yet critical conversations a person needs to have with themselves in order to get the answers & set goals that align either with medicine or some other route & certainly was food for thought in preparing my own application. Thanks Dr Gray.

[@addisonoliver4722]

Didn’t have great stats but I cracked some jokes in my experience section and had lots of clinical experience and and just got into a top public school (my reach school)!! Thanks for the advice and point of view from admissions you give in all of your vids

[@LO-ct4gy]

Hey congrats!! That is awesome :) Do mind providing your stats and did you go MD or DO?

[@abrahamdelatorre3246]

any chance you can email me your app? I was thinking of doing something similar but not sure how to portray it

[@deusexmagica]

Oof, you could hear that girl dying inside as the video went on. Great vid though really showcasing how important "why *medicine*" is

[@QuickAF]

Been watching this channel for a while, everyone is so thankful for the chance to get picked apart by Dr Gray,this girl is the most defeated yet

[@nickwright2721]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Maddawg31415]

Personal opinion. Being a physician IS a way of life. You aren’t just a physician from M-F 9am to 5pm. It’s a 24/7 commitment. Stuff like ochem, the MCAT, applying, studying for STEP- it’s a gut check. The only easy day was yesterday. Some find a way to balance it once training is done. Some literally make it their life 100% because they love it. And some quit and go do other things. Again, just my opinion. Maybe I need to stop watching Navy Seal BUDs videos, but this isn’t a job. It’s a profession, vocation, way of life, art, and discipline.

[@israeliana]

What does this have to with the woman in the video? Also if these physicians don't humanise their patients and understand their communities, then these doctors are machines, replacable, and a liability. You can dedicate yourself to science but medicine is about community and growth and healing.

[@Maddawg31415]

@@israeliana so at the end, she was questioning her motives and drive to be a physician. She only applied to four schools, and used the above as reasoning. It’s a big commitment I get it. But if you aren’t 110% committed, I do not believe you should be doing this. I’m all about interacting with your community- it’s part of that commitment. When I say it’s a way of life, that’s included in it. Making the balance with personal and private life is part of it. But sometimes sacrifice is needed to get into school, not to mention succeed in it and residency. Pay to play. And that’s in question at the end of this video

[@arianacareymariahgrande3582]

That is my exact feeling aswell. A physician is not a job, it’s a literal lifestyle and shouldn’t be seen as a job.

[@husskiii]

Ah of course the classical I'm a servant of God holier than thou bullshit. Save it, it's a fucking job your not an angel your a fucking healthcare WORKER. Jesus fucking christ get over yourself

[@SB-dz3bt]

Her “why” is so good. I think volunteering at a free clinic would really help her because she can show and not just say she wants to help disadvantaged populations.

[@husskiii]

So basically just pretend you give a fuck for an application? Sounds about premed

[@HalloMoose]

Actually a negative application probably won’t be very helpful for schools of any discipline. I think if she applied to more schools she would still have gotten some offers...but honestly I can’t imagine any regular jobs to pick a person who seems to be constantly whining. We all know how hard is it even after you actually make it as an resident. A prospective applicant who seemed overwhelmed about a lot of things will not infer altruistic characteristics or goodwill. She still talks like every sentence is a question like she’s unsure what she is talking about, maybe it is time to do some thinking...She is very smart (as her stats showed), so either use her intelligence elsewhere or adjust the attitude.

[@harrisonzhu3300]

I’m watching these vids even after being admitted. Very solid advice!

[@karenvaladez589]

Now I can clearly see how stellar students don’t get picked. So obvious why she wouldn’t be picked. Could tell no revision by mentors

[@sharimillangue7030]

HAPPY REVISIONS & GETTING CLINICAL EXPERIENCE! GOD BLESS! YOU CAN DO IT! GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS!

[@ArhkXi]

Her tone was so passive aggressive, until about half way. And then at the end her tone when saying thanks was acrid. When telling her how her paper came across she spent the time telling him how everything was to come across to the reader, and never once asked how she could adjust her communication to get across what she truly wants to say. She demonstrated that people are meant to adjust to her expectations, never the other way around and lacks gratitude.

[@gwendoleneconteh594]

I know where she's coming from but I think she needs to take his advice and try to work on her activities sections and personal statement. She can reword those sentences he pointed out differently (in a positive way). Listening to his feedbacks and try to redo her activities and personal statement will definitely get her some interviews during the next application cycle. Good luck to her and everyone who will be applying for the next cycle 🙏🙏🙏

[@awesomebuns]

This girl applied to 4 schools, that was the reason she didn’t get in, plain and simple. Some of these schools won’t even look at you if you’re out of state or out of their region. were there some hiccups in the writing that could be improved? Sure. Was that the ultimate reason she got in nowhere? Doubt it.

[@Smacy]

Yeah I would really like to know if all the schools she applied to were in-state bc with those stats, how could an in-state school turn her away lol

[@Smacy]

@Jswirv Oh I didn't even know that was a thing, but it makes a lot of sense!

[@zainnnf]

@TriIII do med schools really do yield protection for a 3.9 GPA ?

[@zainnnf]

@TriIII 516 according to my understanding is good but combined with a 3.88 and the fact that MD school acceptances are so low, I don’t think it’s enough for yield protection. I think it’s a combination of sending late, being all negative, and not really having clinical experience but God knows best

[@soggychip6302]

Lol she was rejected cuz she applied to 4 schools, 2 of which would auto-reject her for being a legal resident of New Mexico. Do you know how many out-of-state applicants got accepted into UC Davis' class of 131 students? Only 2. How can someone with such good stats not know the basics of applying to at least 15-20 schools?

[@arcraus]

Thank you to the student, the process of revision can be challenging but you did a great job!

[@tomare6479]

This video is captivating lol... just graduated med school. I did some of the same shit lol but I had a bit more clinical and a little less gpa .. applied 3x

[@teddytroyan2121]

It's hard to get shadowing experience. Now with Covid-19, everything froze, postponed, restricted.

[@michellej7713]

If you were interested in medicine, why would you have only been able to shadow during that single year when covid hit? If you were truly interested, you could have started in high school and the first few years of college; the earliest people start applying is the end of their 3rd year in college. Furthermore, after a year of covid-19, there are more opportunities opening up again, with enough PPE and better understanding of the virus. Trying to get shadowing experiences is hard enough on its own, I acknowledge that covid-19 has presented extra obstacles. I'm just trying to say that a year shouldn't be the reason why you don't have any experiences in medicine. Trying to get into medical school requires one to be extremely proactive. Unfortunately, that's just how competitive the field is. It's similar to how business students have to become very proactive with networking and internships in college.

[@daybin5303]

@@michellej7713 It's not just one year though. Covid hit my second semester of college. Then it went all through my sophomore year, and is still in play as we speak. You can't just dismiss someone's struggle because they didn't start shadowing when in high school. That's ludicrous. Many people don't know what they want to do until they take a semester or two of college. So if you combine that with the fact that covid made things near impossible to get outside experience and shadowing it feels really unfair.

[@michellej7713]

@@daybin5303 Let me start by saying I understand that covid has made things more difficult this past year. For people who haven't gotten a chance to start gaining medical experiences, it a tough situation. However, it's important to put into perspective that there are thousands of other students who DID start those experiences back when they were in high school or early college. Those are people you are competing against. Why would an admissions committee pick you instead of someone who's already been able to demonstrate their interest in medicine? That's just the harsh reality of this competitive field. Also, if you haven't been able to gain real world medical experience, how DO you know that you want to become a physician? The reason why Ad Coms value this so much is because they want to make sure you are not wasting your time, money, or efforts. Medical school is grueling. In addition to shadowing, there are other ways to learn more about healthcare, too, such as becoming a direct care worker, CNA, EMS, scribing, and clinical research. About 50% of medical students these days have at least 1 gap year between when they graduate college and when they start school. Some have had a complete career change. One of the most important aspects of applying to medical school is being proactive; gotta make opportunities for yourself and prove to the Ad Com that you truly want to become a physician.

[@crystalroman3519]

@@michellej7713 no one asked, Michelle

[@daybin5303]

@@michellej7713 Okay... But there are plenty of medical students that also got in from a nontraditional path. Plenty of medical students that had a career change halfway through their undergrad and decided medicine was what's best for them. It's not up to you to decide who's best fitted to become a doctor.

[@sophiegray6544]

honestly i guess it depends on the person but reading a personal statement that starts with being fascinated at seeing a dead, mutilated animal would be a huge turn off for me

[@스노우걸]

I'm not even pre-med.... but these videos are so good....

[@sophiepellerin5517]

With a longer school list and better activity descriptions and personal statement, she will at least get a few interviews!

[@TeawithZ]

@Delonse Atrovich well..there’s a pandemic outside lol

[@CDCrest]

@Delonse Atrovich Hope you aren't a doctor or want to be one. Horrific bedside manner I'd expect 😬😬😬

[@sks1795]

not med school but gaining experience as a dental assistant and shadowing my local dentist is something I really hope helps me with going to dental school. I just started undergrad, but I'm already working in the industry and learning. In my opinion, that's half the battle. Gain experience in the field, show your enthusiasm to those who came before you and let them show you a day in the life. The Grades, the test scores and the statement will open the door, but it's your experience and your references that will walk you through it.

[@yourfuturedocburenbeiya]

Thank you so much Dr. Gray for your great, honest, & tough feedback.Thanks to the applicant who shared her experience with us; we can all learn something from it!

[@mreemzo9099]

uuuuuhhhh i don't think she was ready for the truth lmaooo good luck to her tho, no doubt after this truth session she will be accepted. 2024 cycle i am coming for you Dr. Gray!

[@TGbeast1]

Hi Med school headquarters, My friend has a 3.8 and 514, applied to 20 schools, and didn’t get in. I keep telling him he would be a great interviewee for your show but he’s nervous and would not want to show his face. How can I get him on your show?

[@qwerty22779]

Check the description

[@mr.least19]

Bit of a lesson: it’s not “are you driven?”, it’s “what drives you?”

[@Agtsmirnoff]

IMO having watched the full video, it is the evident she wants to be a researcher, not a clinician,; she doesn’t seem to like people very much, and she wants the increase in salary that comes with an MD next to your name

[@koolkittykat04]

Yeah I definitely agree with that

[@husskiii]

Wow who would have thought researchers are fucking tired of working 2x as hard for 1/4 the salary.

[@tomare6479]

516 is a good score. She is a little rigid in thinking which may give her these abilities but when she opens up it may be helpful.

[@kathleenchrist6534]

Honestly, she probably needs some interview prep as well.

[@justinchiles9393]

Lol she really didn’t do any research on what her application was supposed to be. She’s smart tho I’m sure she will make the necessary adjustments.

[@jasmineboies863]

shadowing can be made more accessible if you reach out more. i get sick a lot, but i am a very outgoing person and will be very vocal and have asked multiple doctors if they knew of any places that may be interested. i shadowed my dentists husband at his pain management center, and then shadowing an orthopedic surgeon

[@gratefulbunny4892]

disappointing to hear this applicant speak about how she’s trying to convince herself to not go into medicine because she doesn’t want to be a “burn out statistic.” there are both burn out and suicide in every field ... again why focus on the negative? bums me out

[@Ahn-mu3db]

More negatives just like the personal statement... :/ bringing up suicide 😩🙅🏾 yowsers

[@Pawnlust]

I think it's a mature way of approaching it because we all have a capacity for self-delusion. This means that we have to test our ideas and take on new perspectives (which is not to say that all perspectives are equal - a trope that makes little sense). It's unfortunate that people try to slice reality to just a very narrow zone - including trying to avoid seeing anything "negative" rather than taking the full experience both emotionally and rationally.

[@davidsoto4394]

This student should apply for a joint MD/PHD degree program.

[@nusaman]

You brush the Covid issue briefly at the end. But clinical experience and shadowing was basically impossible for the entire year. And is still mostly impossible to get today. Poor kids applying this cycle and maybe even next cycle. Thoughts ?

[@flanagamer]

Most med schools are being lenient w/ shadowing and clinical experience this cycle & probably next due to COVID

[@vivianleenet]

I wish he would address this. Like yes, there's e-shadowing but most schools are dismissive of that. I started applying to shadowing and clinical volunteering in December of 2019 and by the time I was put through the interview and orientation processes, it was COVID time. I'm planning to apply in May 2022, and I will have nothing. I didn't decide to do medical school until August 2019. In a normal situation, I would have had over 2 years (2020-2022) of volunteering and shadowing, but it's straight up HARD to get these experiences right now. Thank goodness I have some clinical experience from a previous job; I can't imagine how shitty it would be if I had nothing.

[@josephinestafford4466]

@@vivianleenet did you apply to medical school?

[@vivianleenet]

@@josephinestafford4466 Currently in the middle of my app cycle!

[@mekanwoke6968]

Her application is probably the worst I have seen. I can't tell if it is a severe lack of awareness, immaturity, or both and more!

[@mihirkamra6417]

How the bloody hell did she get 131 on CARS fam if you applied to McMaster in Canada and had a decent Casper score you would easily make it in (cuz they don’t care about ur ECs at all lol)

[@shassan95]

biggest thing here is the 4 schools she applied to. even if she didn't have the issues with the tone in her writing, she would have a low chance.

[@sydneypineapples2384]

Okay, but I honestly don’t understand why research and being a physician has to be a separate thing. Physicians do research and the basis of a doctor is medical SCIENCE, SCIENCE-based medicine. I would be interested to know how to tie in your strong passion for research as to why you also want to pursue medicine. For me, research has been a strong driver because that’s where I feel I belong as a physician. I want to take care of people by not only treating them the best we currently know how, but also by contributing to the ongoing challenge of inventing new medicine, gaining new understanding of disease, to better combat chronic illnesses we face. I worry I have a ton of research hours and I do not want someone to think I don’t want to be a physician because of that, but rather I believe that drive will help me be a better physician in my desired field.

[@israeliana]

She actually had a really great why. It makes sense in the end! She did well and I hope she makes it

[@joshvasquez336]

This is so surprising her stats are amazing. I actually in my second year of one of the med schools she applied to and she definitely had better stats

[@failyourwaytothetop]

Being Hispanic helped you over her.

[@joshvasquez336]

@@failyourwaytothetop I was adopted I’m white

[@kaitlynkilpatrick36]

@@failyourwaytothetop telling someone they aren't smart they just helped fill a diversity statistic is gross

[@AlphaNumeric123]

@@kaitlynkilpatrick36 telling people they got somewhere because of their race and not their hard work is gross. Absolutely icky. Anyways leftie, what were you saying about white privilege?

[@maroonhorizon1693]

@@AlphaNumeric123 are you GOOD?! 😂 genuinely?

[@lyssbeth]

someone please tell me how to get on his podcast 😭 I'm not yet in the application process (I'm still in last year of undergrad), but I need advice on how to proceed with my current situation and fix my mistakes

[@sophiewang4205]

in the personal statement, i thought it was a little weird that she saw this pretty disturbing image and what she took away from it was "oh these organs help us digest food" or whatever. i mean, you're applying to be a doctor, but it feels a little weird to read & also she talked a lot abt the patient interaction factor, which doesn't connect

[@husskiii]

Lol I'm ngl that was some psycho shit, normally I would think like damn that's sad not I WONDER HOW IT WORKS

[@AverageMED]

When hearing this applicant it reminds me of this psychological phenomenon i talk about obsession. She painted a picture for the reader a few to many times in terms of negative. They will become obsessed with hearing negativity and will tend to associate the rest of what she says with negativity

[@RainbowGage]

I'm regards to thanking. I used it but changed the words. Acknowledged me and allowed me to sign the cast. My story happened when I was around 7yrs old, so I felt the thanking reference had a pass. Accepted, not med school but very similar.

[@tomare6479]

Yup we need advisors. The truth is for many minorities if they went from b and a and some c’s to competing against AP courses, it takes more years to get the academic equalization, thus minorities with lesser gpas but higher scores in latter years will still need extra time, unfortunately so don’t apply getting out from college unless you want to study for and maintain a good Mcat. Also be super productive that next year.

[@AlphaNumeric123]

She’s not a minority. She’s white and her official status was “not disadvantaged”. She talked a lot about shadowing “not being accessible” but you’re at a university, you’re in an elite bubble now and there are resources just for you. Plus most people don’t have connections lined up unless they’re going to a university in the same town their family is based. She talked a lot about being an underdog LGBT but she did virtually nothing in her application about it other than paying lip service. Her application was indignant uninformed activism

[@joetropolis]

Sounds like she should have applied for Md/PhD programs instead.

[@laurabonilla1380]

She sounds like a person who loves to argue....

[@katrinefranco1420]

LMAO YES

[@trevorerb7709]

I watched the entire video on mute, when they got to the personal statement, I read. When I got to the bottom of the page, I had to double check that there was not more. I am very confused about what her personal statement invokes about her dream to become a physician. I am sure that she will be a competitive applicant, but I am not entirely convinced of her morality and drive to become a doctor.

[@hehehhe5461]

Next episode: why a student has a 4.0 520 mcat amazing personal statement and many experiences can’t get into medical school

[@beachbum1523]

Volunteer Activities: Cared for my elderly grandmother, who is a retired Catholic Nun, living on a coin operated respirator by a downtown parking meter. Dealt with city officials to get the parking boot removed from her gurney. Successfully intervened when tow truck was called to tow her away because the handicap parking placard was stolen from her gurney.

[@awesomesauce744]

I don't believe those hours for research at all.

[@kevinnguyen8115]

I will be surprised if this person gets accepted. Very arrogant and has a high ego. Not even with a 4.0 gpa and 528 Mcat

[@uniqwiab8679]

Right!

[@joydubyadee]

She sounds depressed :/.

[@chloebenjamin5599]

I agree.

[@husskiii]

College be like

[@UriValdez]

Thanks for sharing this, it was a great analysis!

[@Cheesypizza2011]

That is a psychopathic personal statement

[@husskiii]

Lmao lowkey u not wrong

[@Maddawg31415]

Btw Davis is super hard to get in for out of staters.

[@CDCrest]

No one asked you

[@Ahn-mu3db]

@@CDCrest no one asked u either

[@CDCrest]

@@Ahn-mu3db Good. I didn't provide any information or advice.

[@shubham.machhi]

You could've began and ended the video with the 4 schools

[@michaelng8822]

Hello Dr Gray. I applied last year and did not get any interview. How do i get my amcas report like the one you show from other students in youtube. Thank you very much for your time.

[@mreemzo9099]

With those publication in progress makes me think about her relationship with Her Principal investigators? She could have easily talked to them and talked to them and they would introduce her to physician around..... And there's too much negativity in her app. It tells alot about someone......

[@zanmar6764]

Do you have any advice for High School students trying to get into a BA/MD program?I live in Missouri and interested in UMKC 6 yr BA/MD program.

[@joy_nia]

Would it be okay to include a job I left right before I started undergrad? Or should I only include activities from the beginning of college onward?

[@ahhmani]

I think you can count anything after high school graduation

[@86756309bm]

Do you know if putting a job/experience from 2009 when you're applying in 2020 puts you at a disadvantage?

[@levibeam100]

I think it depends on how you word it. I think you could probably write a personal statement saying the lines of, “I did this type of experience almost ten years ago, and since then I have not stopped thinking about medicine”. Obviously that’s very sloppy, but I do think you could do something with it. However, I think the main thing is, what experience is it? Is it working in a hospital, being a scribe, working at a pharmacy, shadowing, etc. It all depends

[@njwojc16]

11 years ago would probably make 12-13 years old at the time....a long time ago....

[@anasoto5485]

My question is ... with virtual shadowing would that not count ? To be placed into that category of experience?

[@chosenone5346]

Question, if we wanted you to take a look at our application in the future, can it be done privately or do we have to be on the channel?

[@jasmineboies863]

is there a way in which i would be able to personally ask a question about my personal statement and what would be an acceptable topic

[@davidmoya6449]

Question... is being an RN an appropriate alternative to having a ton of shadowing hours?

[@katrinefranco1420]

I would like to know This too

[@quintonjackson8288]

She doesn't seem committed at all

[@alexwyler4570]

Is there a way you could release the kindle version on April 15th instead of May 25th? AMCAS opens May 3rd. Thank You!

[@alexmartinez3683]

Maybe ask what schools they applied to. I think that has a part in their acceptance/denial. Apply for the school that accepts your stats

[@squiggs1002]

Her case was simply applying to too few schools. Out of state public schools are generally a waste of time to apply to unless they take a substantial percentage of applicants from other states. She basically applied to one school she had a decent chance at UNM, one school which was a reach Oregon since she was an out of state applicant and 2 schools that she had a very small chance of getting into. I am not surprised at all she didn't get in.

[@jordyn3632]

Im an OOS resident with much lower stats and I'm on the WL at Colorado.

[@HISANY83]

Was she crying at the end?

[@raeakiko8225]

Sounds like it :(

[@rosinaquaicoe8605]

Hi! Dr. Gray, I found out in your personal statement book that your company helps edit personal statements, how can I get to you to help me see what wrong with mine?

[@joydubyadee]

Great analysis. Sounds like it could apply to a dental school application.

[@strategic1710]

I actually didn’t have a problem with the “negative” stuff. If you’re being authentic and telling your story as you see it I don’t see anything wrong. There are just some parts of this process that fall under the ‘gotta play the game’ category. I think her flaw was just school selection.

[@CDCrest]

@Delonse Atrovich What's wrong with nurses? They're literally saving lives during the pandemic while doctors are sitting back and getting free money from big Pharma.

[@sandrameesala6804]

@@CDCrest that is so untrue. Doctors have been so overworked during the pandemic due to hospitals being flooded with patients. Bed counts increased significantly for many departments. Add a hiring freeze and physicians with already low staff and to work double. It got to the point where doctors were straight up leaving the profession due to burn out. Those who stayed were run to the ground. Hospitals are willing to bring on more nurses or float others from other departments, but you can't do that with doctors. I'm not saying nurses didn't work hard. They were tremendously affected too. But to sit and say that doctors remotely gained from it is FALSE

[@ankomitarashi7083]

I graduated college with a terrible GPA, if I pursue medical school in the far future (5-7 years) will this automatically bar me from making it to an interview?

[@paulpruittjr6106]

Point blank. She was just doing too much in my opinion

[@sage9710]

Can you give examples of statements that tell the reader who you are instead of selling something?

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

I have some great examples in my personal statement book! www.amazon.com/Premed-Playbook-Personal-Statement-Interview/dp/168350853X/ref=pd_bxgy_img_sccl_1/136-6469150-2523152?pd_rd_w=CcyyI&pf_rd_p=6b3eefea-7b16-43e9-bc45-2e332cbf99da&pf_rd_r=9K5TR7E1Q4002M0G70M1&pd_rd_r=2608335f-be44-4e91-b24b-bd7bf809d9f6&pd_rd_wg=ah0JZ&pd_rd_i=168350853X&psc=1

[@shlorwhor19]

“You are someone who likely doesn’t understand this world that you want to join” 😅

[@miriamalonso3959]

Certain she will get in. Feel it’s unfair she didn’t get in on first shot

[@Jake-tz6ye]

ALWAYS THE SCHOOL LIST PART 99999