Stuart Shipko, MD: Antidepressants and Adverse Effects

[@kjmav10135]

“Do they work?” “What does ‘work’ mean, anyway?” GREAT response!

[@LadyLuck8_4]

What this doc is saying about his patient who took Sertraline/Zoloft and was on 50mg, went to 47 and then tried to get to 45 is EXACTLY what I have been going through the past 6 months. I originally started on 50, after a year put up to 100, gone back down to 50 and am trying to get down bit by bit. At GP visit, she suggested I had been on them for too long and had I though of coming off, I said I have tried to but can’t and that I only take them to counteract the withdrawal symptoms. She suggested halving my 50 to the smallest amount in pill form which is 25 which I said I was unable. She had no other advice. Other than that, I want to cry but can’t. My mood swings are rapid over the course of a day and most of the time, want to explode because the emotions are contained inside with no way of coming out. I never wanted to go on them in the first place and always refused at every visit, even talked into taking them by therapists saying - “it will just take the edge off” And I just gave in in the end. I detest these drugs so very much.

[@hiya1399]

Sertraline/Zoloft comes in a liquid form. You may want to ask your doctor to cross you over from the pills to the liquid. Then you can try and microtraper down from there, making 1mg reductions. This is what I had to do with Lexapro and it was the only way off the drug. There are several support groups and tapering communities online who can help you.

[@lovergirl1960]

I absolutely love him, going through a bad withdrawal this has helped me so much. Thank you Doctor!

[@ajax700]

Thanks you for being sincere and telling the effects of these drugs are random and even with Tapering you still get persistent adverse effects and symptoms, like PSSD. We the patients are speaking but supposed doctors and Pharma are clearly not hearing. Very sad. Best wishes.

[@janetnash8588]

they have $$$$ in their ears

[@stevekaylor5606]

Standard of Care psychiatrists are seeped in pessimistic disease-like labeling and the financialization that is enabled! @@janetnash8588

[@Bethiegraceful]

Great discussion! Hopeful that there will be more Drs like Dr. Shipko. So tired of being looked at like I’m crazy.

[@stevekaylor5606]

With reductionist disease-like Freudian labeling, then neurotoxic drugs, etc.!

[@Snowflake1374]

I’m a victim of SSRI's, so tired, not crazy. For 3 years I went to GP with symptoms which she interpreted as exhaustion. Muscle aches, shaky, dizzy, numb, vision, concentration problems, lost job. Gaslighted by Dr. Said it was my anxiety. ”Strange if it was sertraline when you took it for so many years” - Hello, it was BECAUSE I took it and long term, 15 years.

[@mr.giggles4995]

19:40 - informed consent I asked my counselor in treatment why they never warn anyone of the harmful effects of these drugs and he literally said, "if we told people then we wouldn't be able to get anyone to take them"....

[@Waves353]

Wth

[@Snowflake1374]

😳

[@Janet_Price]

What was so hard for me was understanding the symptoms. I went to Benzo Buddies and read what I might experience from my taper. I didn't even understand body aches ~ I never had the flu, hardly got a cold, so how bad could they be??? It was hard to read and fully understand what a symptom might feel like. Too bad we can simulate body aches and neuropathy. Can you imagine what decisions might be if we could "feel" body aches or neuropathy? How many more people need to suffer from a doctor's suggestion to take a Benzo or any other drug? Thanks for these videos. 33 years on Klonopin, 18 years on Effexor XR and 13 years on Topamax. 41/2 years off Klonopin and 3 1/2 years off Effexor XR and Topamax. Janet

[@janabush1215]

Can you chat with me? I have interests in your long term use on koloipin and effoxor. I have been on so many throughout my life since I was 24 and now 61 but just found a naturalpathic phycoligist that is covered under state ins due to being on disability for a lung disease at 24 thats when I very first had taken any oerscribed pills ever beside a penicillin and have watched my life and heath go Donald's to the point the medical drs have no answers to tell me what the health conditions are caused by but just told its a complicated case ir have heard a complex case therefore now in a total of one full year have yet to get one issue resolved and I have studied over 10 years about the drugs I've taken fir all these things I'm said to acquired yet only know so isolated I don't have a single person outside this new dr to help me understand how I manage to still be alive when all I want is to not go on if I have to live with this mental anguish and scared to be taken off them as my pc dr took me off from 175 MG of effector cut dose in half and sent me on my way plus tapered kolonipin I believe from 60mg down to 40 at one tapper and it's all a big blur hiw I lived alone byself fir 9 yrs now and my ex just walked out and left me stranded here and I have nit be the same person I once knew myself as so this is a wonder how you did ut??? Are you doing alright? How long has it been?

[@cosmicgreen]

Why these videos are not drawing attention? Are we really a very small group who are suffering from ADs?

[@stevekaylor5606]

The Mental Health Committees of the legislatures need to watch these videos - not just vote in funding for the procedures of the Mental Health Industry, like rubberstampers!

[@Snowflake1374]

I feel that there are many of us. And in many countries all over the world. It's big.

[@christopherwg4236]

Thank you very much for talking about this! As I've gone through this I've always felt very alone as far as doctors go! I had a terrible time with SSRIs from paxil and others I was on them for 10 years. I've been prescribed benzos for 20 years as needed and I can honestly say I don't think I've ever had a problem. I've been able to take them for short seasons and get right off of them without any issue? So it's strange to me to hear people say how addictive they are I have not seemingly encountered that. But I've only taken them every single day for probably a three-month span Max. I was always very careful to use them only AS NEEDED. One of the side effects I had from SSRI was I making me very hyper/ agitated after around the 8 year period which left me no choice but to get off of them. Which took over a year. I had developed some sort of hypersensitivity to them could not even tolerate a small dose after that. Which I now think after listening to this was that it was akathisia.

[@قصصالانبياءللأطفال-ر6د]

Iam really glad for you guys... I. Hope that everyone recovered came back to ease our problem... This meds are... 🙂 I took lexapro pills for 3 days iam 9 months off and still suffering.. I hope all people were injured return back to their lives.. 🧡

[@junealicott8088]

What is the best way to deal with blunting

[@Slidehhy]

​@@junealicott8088how are you now

[@stevekaylor5606]

Develop a cathexis!@@junealicott8088

[@kimballscharff5913]

Thanks so much to both of you. So honest. I met a 74 year old today who decided that trying to get off benzodiazepines at this age wasn’t worth it. I get that. Ben in neuro toxicity for a year and four months. It’s hell.

[@stevekaylor5606]

"Produce yourself" - as Marianne Williamson says!

[@kimballscharff5913]

@@stevekaylor5606What do you mean?

[@stevekaylor5606]

Via Talent Training - develop a mental + emotional cathexis, which is what mental health is!@@kimballscharff5913

[@yehmen29]

Thank you so much for mentioning the panic attacks and the severe insomnia. I also suffered from severe suicidal thoughts, to the point where I had to stop taking the train to commute to work as the urge to throw myself on the railway tracks was just too powerful. I was prescribed amitryptilline for... sciatica. That was in the UK, with a NHS GP. I was hoping to get physiotherapy, which is the treatment I would have had in France (no drugs). I ended up self funding the physiotherapy... and even though I stopped the antidepressants it took me 6 months to get my 'brain' back. I also suspect that antidepressants are behind many of the sexually 'aberrant' behaviours you can observe in developed countries. Exaggerated use of sex toys, addiction to porn, use of swingers' clubs and BDSM clubs (supposedly to 'fight' frigidity), child sexual abuse etc. I am looking foward to watching Mel Gibson's documentary on the subject.

[@firstofthemonthclub4491]

Ssri's TAKE AWAY your sex drive. MEL GIBSON? WTF?

[@stevekaylor5606]

In 2012, the Niagara Falls Reporter published an article: "Mass shooters are often on Antidepressants, yet this is seldom covered in the media!" They then listed many cases of this! / Also in 2012, Psychiatrist Allen Francis stated on T.V.: "Psych Drugs cause mass shootings!"

[@kristgo2001]

Wow - this should be required viewing for anyone considering AD. I appreciate the honesty but this is a painful message. -Tardive Akathisia after a slow taper and got to -0-, 4m of success before a major crash.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Iatrogenic Tardive Dyskinesia?

[@catherinemarsh5453]

I was on antidepressants for 10 years and one day I decided I couldn't be bothered going to get my script again. After three days I was having night sweats, cramps, nightmares and in the day felt so crazy I felt I needed to be locked in padded cell, not because I would DO something bad but because I just felt terror inside me 24/7. Still with all this I refused to get the meds. Day four I went to the chemist and talked to a naturopath there who had helped me after a heart attack I'd had the year before. She handed me a small bottle and said take three of these a day and so I did. The next day I woke up and every single symptom was gone. I felt normal again. I kept taking three a day for a couple of months and then decided to stop them to see what would happen. Nothing, all the medication was out of my system and there were no withdrawals anymore and no need for the Kava tablets. The bottle was called Kava Calm by Natures Sunshine. It is that simple.

[@cookcookkkkk]

Yea its not. BOT.

[@planetbspace]

I have experienced the kindling effect. On only one Med, SSRI. Each off and on my ‘withdrawal’ symptoms were worse.

[@shan4145]

This is like heroin then go methadone and go down slowly with dr supervision bak in the day. So venlafaxine is same shit just breaks my heart because I didn’t know so many people suffer

[@petravazanska5707]

I had acathesia only with zoloft, its horrible, i dont wish anyone to feel this

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication, a cathexis - guided by those who believe in human potential!

[@sk8n854]

I got tardive akathishia from stopping cymbalta after 15 years. I was lucky enough to be able to reinstate and it went away and i felt fine for 5 or 6 years. But i recently developed akathisia again while on it. And ended up on a benzo trying to control it which has worked. Sort of. But im stuck between a rock and a hard place where if i try to come off of either i will most likely have severe akathisia again. But I'm not ok on them anymore either. The akathisia is unsurvivable.

[@filipehrodrigues]

The benzos causes dependence Ssri have a lot of adverse effects What should we take to gad and pa??

[@ajax700]

What do you mean with GAD and PA ?

[@georgiabessie]

@@ajax700 GAD is generalized anxiety disorder. PA is panic attack, I think.

[@Foxsuper1]

Face your fears is the ONLY WAY, USA is the leader in the world in pathologising what normal reactions to the world are... .... we are supposed to panic or have anxiety. ... the drugs are 2 to 4 Weeks only- recommendd use by the pharmacists who made them!!.. my dad was a pharmacist who campaigned against this marketing of dangerous drugs.

[@Foxsuper1]

even using abbreviations means you're in tooooo damned deep yep bad people are to blame, not the addicted patients who merely followed the doctors orders....I swear it's crazy

[@crimson.light.17]

I have a question: Why do you think that some doctors act as if pharamceutical drugs have no side effects? Is it because a lot of people don't actually experience these side effects? Also, I've had a couple of doctors say that a psychiatric drug is in and out of your system in 24 hours ... Is that what they were taught in Med School?

[@MedicatingNormal]

Hi, It's probably a combination of many reasons (we don't claim to know them all, or to speak for everyone, of course): (1) Cognitive dissonance - we all do it, it's human. (2) They weren't taught this in medical school (Pharma has influence over education, studies are fraudulent, etc) (3) Not everyone has such severe adverse effects and/or withdrawal effects (4) Patients report the problems and they're misdiagnosed as "relapse" bc the doctors don't know what they're seeing (5) When patients experience #4, they stop trusting doctors and they go online, so doctors say "I've never seen this" (bc the patients stop going to them and complaining, bc they're tired of being gaslit) Re: withdrawal - it's not about a drug being out of your system so much as it is the neuroadaptive processes that took place in the body while the person was taking the drug chronically.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Side effects are hardly part of their Standard of Care ethics + financialization!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Those employed in the Mental Health Industry become seeped in pessimistic Freudian labeling and forcing drugs onto someone, to secure financialization - and then rubberstamping this onto their next patient. If you complain, they may call Security and/or double the dosage! / Changes must be Instituted!@@MedicatingNormal

[@michelleandrews5527]

Uploads from Michelle (ex SsRI girl): kzbin.info/aero/UUrQ-Bp3fmf2lxiBfABqb01A

[@artcats88]

In april my prescribing doctor dropped my lexapro and didnt tell me she was going to do this. I had a backstock of the medicene of about 2 weeks. Therefore i didnt check my medicene pickup bag until i needed the medicene. It wasnt there. I called the pharmacy and they said the refill request wasnt there. So i called the doctor...but had to leave a message i didnt get a call back until the next day. I told them the situation and they said ok. They would let dr. Florence know. It seems like days went by...i was so out of it!! i called pharmacy again to see if they had called in the refill. They said no. After 2 weeks (again i was out of it) i called pharmacy again. Still no refill request. I called dr. Left a message for the nurse. She called back and said mo refill request was issued by dr. Florence and that i needed to just tell the pharmacy to fill it. ?? I call pharmacy again and they say no!! What a fiasco!! After the weeks were passing i felt crazy! I felt that since ive been off the lexapro for this long (3weeks?) I decided i wanted to stay off! I had my next appt. With dr. Floorence!! And she argued with me about who "droppedtheball"! I got upset and tried to tell her i didnt care who dropped the ball that i needed her toknow about my side effects. She spoke over me and was loud. ((Video call appt.) I finally put my head down and accepted her advice to get back on the drug full strength. I asked her if that was ok..and shouldnt i start back at half strength? She said yes! Yes!! Dugh!! I didnt go pick up that medicene. And my withdrawl was insane!! I had to tell the truth, the secrets i was holding about my family and what they were doing to me holding that in. I started remembering everything i had ever experienced that was bad. I realized i was gonna be ok 8f i iept talking about anything that bothered me that i was holding in. Today...i can remember stuff, i finally feel better and my brain feels awake again! However, i am different. I am more concerned about me! And have been using alternate methods of raising my vibrations!! #kkss88 i am an artist...i didnt make any art while on lexapro. 1 year.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Doctors and pharmacies have not been connecting for years - their dysfunction helped you get off the neurotoxic drugs, and get back to your cathexis + artistic works!

[@Snowflake1374]

I had a reaction after 14 years. Extremely numb the last few years. Almost c/t by Dr, fast, now sick and disabled 10 months off. Neurological injury. Neurotoxic. Can I heal?

[@Crazydoglady.]

Dr. lilse sent me here. 😘

[@stevekaylor5606]

Thoughtful!

[@janabush1215]

These mental challenges off taking any of these med are what crazy to live with so whats the answer to having hope to become back to what is your nirmal??

[@stevekaylor5606]

Aesthetic Talent Training and the development of a mental + emotional cathexis - which is what mental health is. Tell your doctor, that you'd like to take this up!

[@kylestaker9279]

So what’s the solution for all the millions of people on these SSRI’s!! Are we just left to suffer and be permanently chemically changed forever!

[@kevinrb9532]

Too many people like being a victim; I'm referring to those who claim "pill shaming". If someone has an obvious problem with alcohol, and he is confronted about it gently and with genuine concern, should they claim to be the victim of "booze shaming"?

[@MedicatingNormal]

Good point. The problem is, medicine has framed their pills (the ones they prescribe, like psych meds) as "medicine," and alcohol is seen as a "drug" - the latter being "bad," of course, and the former being "treatment." This is nonsensical. The 'drug-centered model' work of Joanna Moncrieff, M.D. is really important to dispel this thinking: joannamoncrieff.com/2013/11/21/models-of-drug-action/

[@stevekaylor5606]

Someone may become dedicated to his sincere Psychiatrist, others bask via the security of the slave!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Lockstep thinking by Standard of Care employees of the current Mental Health system!@@MedicatingNormal

[@policeluber6720]

U can never knoe unless u had adverse I have terrible reaction to all ssri’s . They seem no help just numbing and a year passes ......but it makes me worse more depressed and somehow aggressive and agitated easily like 4 x a month . Before any ssris never had this happened ......not bipolar

[@timblock3483]

General practitioners should not have prescribing privileges for SSRI'S.

[@stevekaylor5606]

They prescribe and then move onto the next patient - especially if they don't think much of a patient!

[@Snowflake1374]

So much agree. GP prescibed zoloft 14 years to me. I was normal. Now Im sick.

[@timblock3483]

@@Snowflake1374 Terrible, I'm sorry that happened to you. Many doctors are just pill pushers.

[@janabush1215]

It's hard to follow the sequence of how this dr really does tapper ir really understands what happens . Possibly if the words used were a but mire simplified I would understand.

[@policeluber6720]

Can I have him as dr?

[@all4mom-xv1hp]

Right? The difference between him and the PA interviewing him is illustrative of how far medical and particularly psychiatric/psychological care has fallen in the past few decades. She sounds not very bright and like a Valley Girl, whereas he is awesome...

[@policeluber6720]

This dr I want sugar pills please

[@Spider_7_7]

👏

[@PeterGregoryKelly]

How can anyone be a "paxil denier"? The drug exists, for better or worst.

[@sevenman9672]

Anyone who calls someone a paxil denier should try taking it for a few months or years and try a titration of 25% every 5 days or even cold turkey and see how brutal it can be

[@all4mom-xv1hp]

So what does one do instead? Because "mental health" now is just pills; no one seems to know how to do anything else. Counseling today (by those not qualified to prescribe drugs) is a joke.

[@MedicatingNormal]

Countless ideas: There's a psychiatrist who does "Adaptation Practice" named Clive Sherlock that teaches people to deal with emotion, yoga, meditation, exercise, changing diet (many times sugar, caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, preservatives, colorings, processed foods are the culprit), sleep hygiene, getting labs to R/O other issues like thyroid, talk therapy (if you could find a good one), etc.

[@all4mom-xv1hp]

@@MedicatingNormal, most people try most of these methods before "resorting" to outside help. And yes; talk therapy "if you can find a good one," but that's nearly impossible!

[@MedicatingNormal]

@@all4mom-xv1hp Disagree. Many people try little before taking a pill bc doctors don't suggest it.

[@aidenfisher5679]

Effexor is d worst AD to stop using cuz of d extreme withdrawal.

[@rustymullins6623]

Starting on my fifth month without Effexor…still in terrible shape…this stuff is terrible and dangerous

[@cookcookkkkk]

Cymbalta took the cake for me. Its also more potent. Both are extremely hard.

[@Snowflake1374]

Zoloft and too fast taper destroyed me.

[@sk8n854]

Cymbalta has entered the chat