Medicine Cats SHOULD Have Kits | Warrior Cats

[@chrisspiegel2183]

The med cat code should say “Medicine cats cannot have a mate or kits unless there is an apprentice, mentor or other cat with a decent knowledge of herbs to take over.”

[@Ari_C]

Exactly.

[@jenniferpower4285]

XxHollyDRAWSxX that is the perfect code I love that

[@astralwyrm3787]

Except what happens when the apprentice dies unexpectedly while the second medicine cat is carrying? The clan has no medicine cat.

[@chrisspiegel2183]

The chances of that happening are low enough that it wouldn't matter, but they can always train a temporary medicine cat.

[@sunshine-dz6xj]

@@astralwyrm3787 that could also happen if there was 1 medicine cat who didn't have an apprentice and died but there's no code that says the medicine cat must get an apprentice as soon as they can, and if that one dies, get a new one as soon as they can

[@SheetGhostWithBones]

Warrior cats: ugh! We don't have enough kits! Were so low on warriors! Medicine cat: I'm pregnant with 4 kits Warrior cats: THATS ILLEGAL!!

[@zfluffytheleader691]

Why warrior cats!!!!????? It would work If 1foster mother 2join a diff clan 3they become the med apprentice.

[@lovebugsfunhouse7822]

Wow that's pretty dumb that Warrior Cats said they need more kits and warriors,but they say it's illegal when a med cat has kits!!It's stupid

[@sgt6905]

It makes no sense

[@alula394]

i mean... they always welcome kits, and if its a medicine cats, they immediately are swayed to hate the kits/mother

[@july8558-z1y]

Yeah they usually only have 2 or only 2 survive.

[@pipenbybagel1188]

"Medicine cats may care for their own kits more than the clan" *Yellowfang casually kills her son*

[@pipenbybagel1188]

(Yes I know why-)

[@chetarisin3035]

I mean. Her son committed crimes

[@Owenbot3000]

Ah yes yellowfang cares for her son more then her clan

[@k4yblessed]

heh heh poison

[@greattexanbluedragon2773]

XD I guess it doesn’t apply to all cats

[@azzy__films]

“We has to kill Hollyleaf bc we couldn’t figure out a power for her” Creates cat with a power that could’ve been used for hollyleaf*

[@insertname.5985]

Lemon Drop That’s what I thought.

[@icebiirb9440]

dovewings power doesnt fit hollyleafs personality. i like the idea of hpllyleafs power being the ability to force peoplw to twll the truth however.

[@azzy__films]

Eevee Veelution no need to shout, no need to yell, no need to have a riot

[@astralwyrm3787]

@Eevee Veelution Making the power of three have no progression in the overarching plot was to make the series MORE interesting?

[@hipoo8394]

@@astralwyrm3787 eee i know this is a long time ago and im really sorry but i just wanna reply. ik its cringy that im replying to you so late and again im sorry. but if holly had a power it would be too predictable. by making the series unpredictable, they could have a more interesting story. everybody would expect hollyleaf to have a power, but she didnt, dovewing did.

[@ashleyturley8299]

The female cats of the series just get the short end of the stick-- there's even a stigma against female leaders having kits for some reason, as if it would distract her from her clan. The warrior code just seems to think female cats in roles of power can't handle two things at once (even though deputies and medicine cat apprentices could easily help)

[@TomitaGregorias]

But we need that spicy drama you know. We all deep inside know the rules were written to be broken.

[@lovebugsfunhouse7822]

I wanna mention something! When I read Warrior Cats Graphic Novel:The Intruder of SkyClan,LeafStar had three kits named HarryKit,StormKit,and FireKit,she was a leader and had kits but they didn't distract her from the clan!

[@marianna6412]

I have an OC who was a leader and she still had kits

[@MaliciousShelly]

I love the stories like blue fur and oak heart , gray stripe and silver stream, but after the first series it wasent dramatic anymore.

[@i_am_Plague]

i think if males were biologically capable of getting pregnant and birthing children, they would be exactly the same as the females. i dont agree that they should be treated this way or that its fair in any way, but i do know the reason, and its because biology is like that. queens need to stay in the nursery until their kits are capable of being left alone without a cat to nurse and protect them. the leader wouldnt be able to call a meeting while letting a kit nurse, or while shes watching her kits wrestle. it isnt fair, decent or good in any way, but this is why.

[@mimf9808]

"You should treat the Clan like your kits!" So why would it matter if they _do_ have kits because then you have to treat the rest of the Clan like that....confusion.

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

How does a Med Cat treat thier Clan like thier kits if they never had any kits in the first place? MHHHH

[@user-lj7pt2gz2v]

@@YuubiTimberwolf **their

[@wolfhead8926]

Mim F yeah because their kits ARE THE CLAN just because they are a meds kits doesn’t mean that they can’t be part of the clan even though they live IN the clan. It just doesn’t make sense XD

[@mimf9808]

@@wolfhead8926 yeah that's what I'm saying X3

[@isabelnoguera6747]

But how are they gonna help themselves give birth?

[@shaddai7415]

Erin Hunter should do a story on a TOM having kits, cause it’s always the medicine cat she-cat having kits! What would happen if a medicine cat is the father?

[@SaraSong-mw3zm]

when I first read this I was thinking Wha-what how would a Tom give birth but then I realized what u meant and I feel stupid now lol

[@crowbr33ze]

The mother could just lie about who the father of the kits is and then the tom could probably get away with no consequences

[@crowblossom06]

Nothing, toms can choose to have no or some responsibility

[@Innerpandora]

Mudfur had Leopardstar before he became a Medicine Cat, so i dunno if that counts

[@the._.tooth._.youtube._.ed4120]

@@SaraSong-mw3zm same

[@michaelaward3242]

Yeah, because we always see this as a forced plot point with shecats. We have not once seen the actual having of kits by a tom medicine cat.

[@renofthewind]

It's probably because it could easily be covered up; A she-cat could lie about the father of the kits and nobody would notice

[@Ari_C]

Mudfur was Leopardstar's father. Sure she was part of a litter he had with Brightsky(who died) before he trained to become a medicine cat but he began his training shortly after she was born.

[@CGwarrior12]

@@Ari_C He began his training shorty after she became an apprentice

[@stanleypfp]

My OC medicine cat is a tom, and he has kits

[@dance_ofThaDEAD]

YES

[@Eclipse5]

This is a very valid point. I always thought it was a little odd for medicine cats to carry this stress and hold themselves back. It's just as distracting as having kits. In my fan series, Secret of the Shadow, Sharpwish, the medicine cat is constantly shunned becuase she had kits. But it goes deeper than one might think. Sharpwish was a pregnant warrior before she thrown in the medicine cat den by Wolfstar after their current medicine cat had died, not knowing her predicament. She was then accused of breaking the warrior code when the kits were born. It gets REALLY deep and questions all the warrior code has.

[@wolfy_the_bisexual_furry4849]

Eclipse never says medicine cats can't have kits or a mate

[@uglebeffus]

@@wolfy_the_bisexual_furry4849 Sure, but in the Medicine Cats' code, it clearly states you're not allowed to have a mate. Look it up, it's there. It might not say you can't have kits, but if you have kits they're either not yours (so why would they be given to the medicine cat of all cats) or you've had a mate, so that works out fine.

[@dead-account-404]

That sounds like an interesting fan series. I'm writing one too. I'd love to read yours!

[@Eclipse5]

Toy Bonnie Well, it is a production on my channel! It's not written in book form, but it's drawn and voice acted! I'd love to read yours as well!

[@thatonepotato276]

Link please! It sounds rlly interesting

[@WolfGirl-uz4sk]

Honestly, medicine cats should be able to have kits. Here’s why; 1st, no matter what, all cats are going to favor there families a little more then other cats, (unless you don’t get along or something) even if your not a medicine cat. 2nd, if you are a medicine cat, you have to take care of the clan, make sure that no one is hurt or sick, always have the supplies to help you’re clan mates, and if someone dies, then you often blame it on yourself (like cinderpelt did when Silverstream died giving birth to her and Graystripe’s kits) and feel as if you could have done more to save that shecat/Tom. 3rd, shouldn’t a medicine cat be able to love another cat like any other cat? I mean, yeah, there’s favoritism, but again, all cats have some sort of favoritism towards their family (unless you dont get along) so what’s the difference? As long as you still care for everyone, I don’t see the problem with having kits. ( thx for reading all that! Lmk if you all agree or disagree and why)

[@xxgamerkillgirlxxlame2748]

@Hunter X thats abit stupid she just wanted to help but ended up making other cats unhappy

[@pikathemimikyu6655]

Agree!! The only thing you didnt mention was the fact that having kits take time away from medicine dutys, but thats what the second medicine cats is for!

[@ShinoriDelfrim]

Also you can’t stop feelings half the time so yeah…

[@wenomechainsamadog]

going by the same logic by the books and your first and third reason, if medicine cats can’t have kittens because if there’s a situation where their kit and some other warrior is in danger, they’ll probably look after their kit better, but let’s say leafpool’s sister squirrelflight is hurt and so is brackenfur, a random warrior. obviously she’s gonna take care of squirrel better because she’s her sister, or if her parents/parent got hurt, she would look after them better rather than some cat she isn’t related to, right? Therefore, going by that same logic, medicine cats wouldn’t be able to have siblings or any type of family, it’s stupid

[@hannahlannah8779]

The med cats cant have kits unless they have a app

[@krattgirl124samarama4]

The Moth Flight's situation wasn't a medicine cat problem, it was a Moth Flight problem

[@derpychickadee3964]

If warriors have kits they’ll save them in battle first. If leaders have kits they’ll be more inclined to make them deputy and give them special roles. If they can have kits medicine cats should too

[@ecksdeerawr6053]

Leafpool actually didn’t have to give up her kits cause ya know Firestar was her father and he knew Yellowfang’s pain (This was stated in Pinkbunnygirl13’s video about Leafpool giving up her kits) Ahhh thanks for all of the likes

[@alicia4828]

Shadowy Night but even if Firestar was her father, I guess she didn’t want to disappoint anyone else like she did with Cinderpelt

[@ecksdeerawr6053]

Alice Yeah, that makes sense

[@uglebeffus]

Alice is right. And anyways, in other circumstances with other medicine cats, they might not be so lucky as to have direct family as someone who went through/knew about something similar or working as Clan leader.

[@hescrem9316]

But shed most likely end up shunned by the other clan members. One person may understand, but that doesn’t mean everyone will

[@pineforest1442]

Shadowy Night but would her father be able to back her up, even against StarClan?

[@snowleopardintroversion]

Yes, yes, and YES. I couldn't agree more! Also, thank you so much for how you stick up for Leafpool! She went through so much heartache and I believe 100% that some of it could have been prevented. I also saw your other video where you believe crow and leaf will be together in Starclan and that is my firm belief as well. For all of her agonies in life, Leafpool deserves the happiest afterlife.

[@hexboltiskilo8988]

Anyone else realize that it’s not actually stated in the warrior code!?!?! They just don’t like the idea!

[@vulixee]

Hexbolt Crystalized It’s in the medicine cat code though, also why would they completely freak out over the idea of it then?

[@Jinx5155]

it is stated in the medicine cat code

[@kaleighpracht2121]

True

[@sagethesandwing3302]

Yes but it's because they aren't warriors they have their own code you uneducated potato ( joke btw don't take it srsly ) read mothflights vision then you'll understand. I wanna read it but idk if my library has it I'll have to see next time I'll go there anyways they aren't warriors they are medicine cats so they have a different code than them just read the book online/offline whatever works

[@sagethesandwing3302]

Offline= borrowing it from your local library/buying it online/offline Online: digital/audio books

[@Hadeshy]

I totally agree, that's why in my fic the Medicine cats CAN have kits if their apprentice already finished their training.

[@Aimarrh-Raimbow-Felidae]

Me too

[@grimmcorvid5713]

I think that there is a other reason about kits. Medicíne cats arent allowed to have kits becose they are closely attached to Starclan witch is bassicky their holy power. So maybe its becose med cats are told to be "pure" or "untouched" and have connection to Starclan. If you know what I mean. (But yea they can but dont have to have kits. But with fosterparenting it may kinda lead to Brokenstar 2.0 situation or for those kits to feel unwanted. :')) welp that may also be the reason Also hey. How would they kit? If a med cat was she cat and was giving birth who would help her? We need more than 1 med cat.

[@SuperMajorGamesEst]

Buttercupfox (friend I just noticed some mistakes) *which *because *basically

[@a_watermelon]

Yea I always thought medicine cats had to be somewhat close to a nun in that regard

[@sc-fx7cy]

@@a_watermelon I was literally JUST thinking of that

[@herlocksholmes-uv5qw]

I always thought that too! Like the medicine cats were..nuns? I don't know, but I always thought that their virginity would be a sign of "pureness" to these cats, somehow.

[@pumpkinoligarchy6626]

Most she-cats in StarClan have kits and I think they would disagree with that

[@fish.toastt]

“The mere act of having kits as a medicine cat is disgusting, apparently” -Warriors 2018-2019

[@ja361]

Hey Akira!! I’m usually never early! So this is a first! I’m sure it will be a great video!

[@Was.a.cat.maybe.]

Hi

[@addison_________9289]

*1 year ago*

[@arraxe]

@@addison_________9289 yes same

[@luvxoxundertalehazbinhotel1835]

@@addison_________9289 yea they posted it a year ago :p

[@exuveum5875]

@@addison_________9289*2 years ago*

[@averymartin1327]

Who knew stray forest cats had such strong politics.

[@eggsncocoa2299]

My OC, Sunnyskies is a medicine cat. It makes me SO MAD that I can't have kits without having a forbidden romance! I MADE TWO WHOLE OCs FOR MATES! Thank you, Akira! THANK YOU!

[@crumchylettuce]

I mean, you could just make up some backstory that the leader of your cat’s clan or some other leader removed the rule or whatever. That’s what I’ve done in all my Warriors universes, even if none of the medicine cats actually have kits in any of those.

[@nectarinn3]

@@crumchylettuce Tbh if you're making fanclans, it's even easier. I just make it so that there is no medicine cat code (the one with this rule, it's not in the warrior code!) in the clans that they're from, and medicine cats tend to follow starclan's will and their own moral compass if in need.

[@SonarTheBat]

There should always be at least 2-3 medicine cats in the clan. Then if one has kits, the other one or two can cover for her.

[@Sarah72]

I really agree! It's not like they _here_ to the code! It could be, that medicine cats can have kits when there are two medicine cats in the clans.

[@Sarah72]

@Wowie Zowie your right

[@mimf9808]

"Love the clan like their own kits" Well, if they don't have kits, they can't love the Clan, because they don't have kits to love!

[@Lilly.Ofthevalley]

And jay feather loving stick #jayxstickshipper

[@mariav.derodriguez623]

jayfeather got the stick from rock a hairless cat so................

[@sketchywolfgrl9564]

@@mariav.derodriguez623 It's a **** in disguise XD

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

@@sketchywolfgrl9564 I love that reference XDD

[@sgtdoc5157]

i don,t think that counts plus he broke the stick

[@Lala-fn1bg]

Or having any clan mates that have anything resembling an actual heart That cracked me up

[@GaPeach87]

Poor Yellowfang really got the wrong end of the rule. You read Yellowfang’s secret you will cry. She died to smoke and finally had peace. She’s the most holly character (in my opinion) and despite her loyalty and her dedication and basically throwing her life away her Clan still basically ran over her over and over and over. Yellowfang never got the recognition for her sacrifice and the salt in the wound was that Brackenfoot (her father) was the first cat to accuse her of killing kits. Which, might I mention, were her little brother and sister? Hello? In my very, very personal opinion, Yellowfang is the perfect example for cats to have hearts and change the warrior and medicine code.

[@holygaia5938]

I totally agree with everything in this video. I'm super glad someone made a video like this finally, thank you!

[@ESilverr]

I originally wanted that, but there have been times when warriors are so depressed about loss they dont want to do anything. Imagine if a warrior was about to die and the med cat was too busy sulking. Bam, Dead. Also, what if there is no medicine cat apprentice and the same thing that happened with silverstream happens to them? If there also aint no apprentice, whos gona help with all the herbs during kitting? Oof. Like if you somewhat understand or agree ;)

[@nethercat2459]

Silver Cats either way the med cat would do the same with a beloved family member or friend that was family

[@oceaneyes2658]

Silver Cats well that's easily solved. They should only be allowed to have kits when they have a fully trained apprentice. Then if they're kits die or while there in the nursery the apprentice can handle the work. It should just be a rule that medicine cats can only have kits when they have trained there apprentice enough to be a medicine cat.

[@idrawforbloodmoney7967]

@@oceaneyes2658 nah, just nah. i can't see why you don't get it

[@Cat-hz7yd]

@@idrawforbloodmoney7967 I don't understand how you don't get it? Most of the problems stemming from medicine cats having kits are listed above - either they're too busy raising them to pay attention to the clan, or they lose them and are consumed with grief (which leads to them not being able to help their clan). If there's an fully trained apprentice available, then why not?

[@makaylaelder8265]

Silver Cats oH nO iM dEpPrEsSeD iM sO sOrRy I hAvE eMoTiOnS

[@paruf1sh]

I imagine that she really wanted Jayfeather to be her apprentice because he’s her son.

[@NattiKay]

Ehhh can't say I really agree about Moth Flight. Sure the tragic circumstance of her loosing her mate and the stresses of being the first medicine cat didn't _help_ her situation, but it's not what ultimately made her decide to instate the rule. The problem was that whenever she'd be out fulfilling one of her medicine cat duties, one of her kits would get in trouble or hurt or need help and she'd immediately abandon her duty and rush to her kit's aid. It WAS the kits that that WERE distracting her and making it very difficult for her to be an effective medicine cat. Now, would that always be the case? Not necessarily, as in some of the exceptions you mentioned such as a Clan having multiple medicine cats or even the medicine cat being a tom. But I think her motivation for the rule is completely reasonable and not merely born out of "nothing going right". As for "family bias will happen no matter what"--only to an extent. Parenthood is a unique relationship from siblings or friends. Not to say that the latter are unimportant or weak or lesser--not in the least. But ask just about any parent and they'll tell you that the attachment of a parent to their child is very different from just about any other family or friendly attachment. Yes, siblings, parents, close friends, or even mates would certainly be more of an emotional strain for a medicine cat than loose acquaintances, but their own kits would be on a whole other level. So...no, the rule isn't saying "if medicine cats have kits they won't love their clans", as loving kits and loving the clan are not mutually exclusive. What it IS saying is "if medicine cats have kits those kits will naturally take precedent over other clanmates because that's just how parents are and in many cases that'll cause problems, so it's better to avoid it".

[@Ari_C]

How do you explain clan leaders being allowed to have kits then? It's the exact same issue with personal bias and possibly pulling the leader away from their duties which are arguably just as important yet there's no rule preventing it.

[@MidnightWhisper]

I'd love to see a thing where some clans let medicine cats have kits and some don't, like how in the Catholic Church, nuns and priests can't marry or have children, but most protestants don't have that rule. I feel like that's where it stemmed from. That sounds like an interesting plot.

[@DJdally123]

The only reason I like this rule is because I like making my own medicine cat characters to feel heartbreak because they can’t have a mate or kits (cause yk, it’s entertaining for me to write). I also like how it gives a special uniqueness to medicine cats. But medicine cat is also my favorite role, and when I wrote my own fanfics I can’t help but be torn whether making my fav charater (med cat) pick a mate who i really want them to be with, or keeping them loyal to the warrior code since that cat is very loyal and would never do anything wrong.

[@RushieCat]

In my oc clans medicine cats can have kits because I think this rule is dumb

[@chaoticmadness1259]

Same, they're allowed kits as long as there is at *least* one other fully trained medicine cat.

[@muffyC1]

@@chaoticmadness1259 but what if the other cat dies?

[@chaoticmadness1259]

@@muffyC1 then... Didn't think about that. Oh well. In my clan roleplays on Wattpad there's four med cats in one of the clans anyway, lmao.

[@muffyC1]

@@chaoticmadness1259 Ah, a fanfic.

[@muffyC1]

I think people are to quick to think but don't see or want to understand why.

[@crematedlivestreams3306]

Yay! thanks for uploading on my birthday!

[@grimr.599]

happy birthday!

[@ButterflySimmer]

I think as long as there is another medicine cat, then yes, besides, they're still there for anything in an emergency.

[@thepokepoet9482]

In my fan fic, it is a law within the six Clans, that goes back as far as ancient times that states that each Healer have two apprentices, in case one gets sick or injured. The oldest Healer must have their full name and if they fall in love with a cat from another Clan, they must become a warrior or the mate can join them in their Clan.

[@river_riv._]

Incorrect Micha was Moth Flight's mate, he got crushed by a branch

[@gaysquirrel5486]

yeah, and they decided on that rule after they saw how distracted moth flight was with kits

[@oliviagreenwood3851]

Animal Craft321 moth flight made the rule, I remember she brought it up when she saw another medicine cat start to fall in love

[@hazedaze8200]

I think he didn’t count Micah as Moth Flight’s mate because she raised the kits alone and her mate was dead - meanwhile, Yellowfang and Leafpool’s mates were still alive and in worse case scenario, could help them out. Moth Flight was alone in this sense,

[@hollyleaf3941]

Micah*

[@testerwulf3357]

@@hazedaze8200 He counts as a mate..he just passed early.

[@error101ishere]

0:41 and some have 3. Why? No idea.

[@mikalolopo]

My idea is kind of harder for a medicine she-cat, but I think it could work. So basically the she-cat has kits, but gives them away to the nursery but the kits knowing the actual parents. Then the med would focus on her duties (ofc would check on her kits) when she has time to. And there ALWAYS has to be a queen in the nursery, either nursing or expecting kits. And in leafpool’s case, Daisy would be very glad to raise the three.

[@dougwalker4313]

There should be a cat who supports medicine cats having kits. It'd be a nice change.

[@elizac6175]

Part of me understands why Moth Flight made the rule, but... just because she couldn't balance work life and having kits, doesn't mean that isn't a life for another medicine cat in a different situation. Making a blanket rule just doesn't leave much room for cats to use their gifts and choose their own happiness as well.

[@thatonepotato276]

Lets look at arguments to this. Bias. Its always gonna exist unless med cats are robots. Impossible to avoid. Even if this cat is an orphan they will have friends. Dying during birth and/or greif over dead kits and/or mate. Have an apprentice or fully trained med cat besjdes yourself. And with greif, again they have family and friends. Taking care of the kits will distract. Have another med cat, or another cat take care of them while your busy. Conclusion is the rule is dumb. Very dumb. It was made by a young widowed mother with literally everything that could go wrong, going wrong. The ABSOLUTE worst circumstances.

[@mirrymin]

ThatOnePotato Yep, couldn’t agree more.

[@casualunderachiever]

Agreed

[@dillion5397]

Yellowfang, one of the best medicine cats ever, had kits and StarClan taught her a lesson... I agree they should be allowed kits. No cat should ever go through what Yellowfang had

[@Andrea-mk3qu]

One of my OCs is a male medicine cat who has kits with a warrior from his clan. I re-arranged the story from him lying about it to the leader allowing it because he doesn't need to nurse the kits. I dislike that the Erins forbade medicine cats from having kits because of an obviously false reason. I'm glad you made a video on this :D

[@emppu_8777]

The times you said "Medecine cat" was 20 I counted cause It sounded like much

[@sketchywolfgrl9564]

I always found this a little weird as a rule, because if the medicine cats could mate and reproduce, maybe more cats would be born with an inclination to being a healer since there would be that kind of personality around the kits instead of them automatically going "I'm going to be the best warrior ever!" Plus cut down on cats that don't really appreciate the things medicine cats do is just as important as hunting and fighting because they'll be interacting more than just when a cat gets a thorn in its paw.

[@MrScaryPasta]

I wrote my own Medicine Cat Code for my Warriors Series. And it changes a lot of things for the better.

[@reiphas]

Maybe they're like priests? Something like "give up your dreams of being a parent in exchange for StarClan's closeness". But even apprentinces can get close to StarClan, so this isn't that strong of a reason either. Great video, btw. I totally agree.

[@uglebeffus]

Do some research on nuns

[@error101ishere]

Moonkitti calls Jayfeather a nun.

[@shadowshade904]

You know, when you were saying all that stuff about there still being a family bias, it reminded me of a cool idea I heard somewhere before. What if, instead of just not being allowed to have a mate or kits, they weren't allowed to have much connection with any cat at all? So, the Medicine Den would be in a very secluded area of the camp, and the Medicine cats would spend almost all of their time there, connecting with Starclan and doing stuff with herbs. They would rarely see their clan mates. The only other cat they would see on a regular basis would be their mentor/apprentice, and sometimes the clan leader since they act as advisors a lot. So the only real, meaningful relationships they would have would be with their mentor/apprentice, the Medicine cats from other clans, and most importantly, Starclan. Sounds interesting, don't ya think?

[@RainfoxArts]

I would understand if it was a religious tradition thing, like "mooning over a mate clouds a cat's judgement on Starclan signs". Or maybe a mentor med cat neglecting an apprentice, but that happens with warriors too. Overall it would be cool if the -paws had some trial time before being medicine cat apprentices under Starclan's eyes. I hope the Broken Code fixes the "forbidden romance" problems for good.

[@St4rr_Dustt]

Isnt this in one of the Novels book? I have read this for SURE IN SCHOOL, but its on Finnish

[@mewmacree]

Yes!! I agree! In my own series thing my medicine cat, (indigowing) has two kits while her apprentice (littlelove) takes care of the clan for instead! I also think it would be nice because leafpool can say that ashfur is her mate so he wouldn’t go crazy.

[@Zack-eq3ou]

Yeah but he would have to know,and also they didn't have a very good relationship,they were kinda just acquaintances,and the clans knew about Crowfeather and her at the end when they ran away together,but came back because they had to help their clans,and having to separate,so just like squirrelflight said in leafpools wish,,she could have told Firestar what was going on,and ask to be a warrior so she could raise her kits,although after Cinderpelts death she would be the only medicine cat,even with Brightheart to help,it would be hard,but not impossible

[@mewmacree]

megan allen It’s just an idea... if it happened they would probably show more love to each other,... Yesh

[@lol_sxmstar]

1:23 bruh ThunderClan was the only Clan to have a medicine cat have kits other than ShadowClan with Yellowfang

[@Greenkitten45]

I kind of want them to explore a male medicine cat having children since so far in the series only females have fallen from their kitless grace, so to speak.

[@eagleheart1634]

Leafpool's punishment for having kits is... awkward moments with Crowfeather

[@skyshale]

Oh please. We all know the real reason is because *plot convenience.*

[@SaraSong-mw3zm]

yes i need my forbidden romance

[@wolfberryy1789]

I have always thought about this and I totally agree. Also Mothflights coincidence doesn’t occur for everyone.

[@randomspider7368]

I agree with Akira a lot on this. If the kit was still even related to the medicine cat,the medicine cat would love their relative more. If a clan has 2 medicine cats and one of them wants kids,that’s ok! The other medicine cat can heal and take over while the medicine cat that wanted kits is taking care of their young. Erin hunter needs to update the code,maybe in the new arc we may get the code fixed,but then again…this is Warrior Cats.

[@MrScaryPasta]

In my book series, my medicine cat OC Dewleaf has a mate and two kits. One of her kits was adopted and trained to be a medicine cat. While the other kit was training as a warrior.

[@hopehartman2938]

hEllo. I Completely Agree, But It Does Seem Like A Lot Of The Medicine Cats Do Have Kits.

[@p0ffi]

Only leafpool and yellowfang had Cats that didn't have: Mothwing Brambleberry Jayfeather Cinderpelt Barkface Spottedleaf (sorry if Im annoying xd Im not trying to be rude :D)

[@bbqmuffins1683]

@@p0ffi dont forget mothflight

[@jayquillberry4972]

Even when everyone found out she had kits they weren't really going to do anything about it til Windclan complained. And if Yellowfang wasn't told not to have kits, she could've raised Brokenstar and maybe he wouldn't be evil.

[@kottonkandy0962]

Medicine Cats should be able have kits if they have an apprentice that’s been trained for around 3-4 moons, so yup.

[@cosmomellow2694]

Warrior code:medicine cats can’t have a mate or kits Dust leaf:Shush before I make you

[@Windbreeze]

I totally agree, but they should ask for the leaders permission first. Also, hi Bright Guardian Akira!

[@jonnabornemark5671]

The rule should only imply if theres a medicine cat witout an apprentice or a not-experinced med apprentice.

[@killme2695]

... *BLOSSONFALL IS STILL SALTY*

[@maggotbell]

Well in my optionen they shouldnt get kits unless there is a knowledge apprentice or another med

[@novafiregalaxy204]

Here's my thing. She-cat medicine cats should have some sort of restriction when it comes to having kits. In the early moons of raising kits, the mother IS needed more, so yes she will be held back from her duties a tiny bit. So I do think they can't unless they have an apprentice or someone else helping them.

[@crowblossom06]

Though they can just give them to a foster mother. When queens die when giving birth it’s usually okay like Silverstream or something

[@novafiregalaxy204]

@@crowblossom06 I mean that kind of already has happened. And it defeats the purpose of having and raising kits, especially if the cat WANTED to have them. Tom medicine cats don't need any restriction as they aren't the ones physically carrying and nursing the kits, and even warriors tend to be away from their kits a lot. For them it's normal. for she cats, at LEAST another clan member with general knowledge of herbs and such just in case. Better if they have an apprentice or a second full medicine cat.

[@testerwulf3357]

Yea I think that's the argument here. Female medicine cats can have kits if there's another healer in the clan (apprentice or full fledged medicine cat), and possibly a queen to help in feeding the kit part time (not feeding it all the time but if the medicine cat is needed the queen can lend a little milk for the time being) and a mate or clanmates can babysit the kit most of the time..she'd still be able to see her kits and get the experience of having kittens and a mate but with the clan supporting her as she supports them. It's like when you have a baby but you have work so you have a babysitter during working hours, you're still content with the situation or at least most are even though you aren't raising it 24/7.

[@diamrose]

1:15 Jayfeather x Stick

[@chillywilly0775]

I totally agree with this

[@Foxblaze8]

I really hope that medicine cats are aloud to have kits by the end of Star!

[@dovestarproductions9632]

I think every clan should have two medicine cats for this exact reason

[@safetyhazardsadie3627]

Basically I created some fan characters that started clans and the my main character becomes leader and is like “The warrior code is dumb I’m gonna fix it.” And then is called stupid by a group of rogues for changing the warrior code. But it’s basically the warrior code but less strict. And at the same time starclan is just like “the hecc you doin?”. But it works and the rogue group disbands because most of them were guilted into joining or just didn’t like the main character. Oh yeah and the main character basically just was made leader out of guilt but it turned out fine.

[@galixypawerpack]

Two seconds into this video and I already agree that medicine cats should have kits…

[@Wolfdragon-do9ss]

I didn't think that the reason for the code was due to "being distracted". I never saw the "medicine cat code" and I'm behind in the series, but from reading the books I assumed that the rule was to prevent the possibility of having no medicine cat if there were complications during birth and the only medicine cat were to die.

[@nachtblatt8321]

I really have to say that, I hate this background music 😬... idk it sounds weird

[@cinderleaves3949]

I agree Why Mothflight did you have to do this to us

[@sweetsdraws8787]

Where's the meme video????? T ^ T I worked hard on my drawing, I was confused about how to submit it on to amino T ^ T

[@ellaresch7153]

I know! I’ve been waiting for it too!

[@linxmoment8572]

5:03 dappled pelt and cloud spots growl softly in the background,

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4932]

“The kits are fine” *ONE OF THE KITS HAS LITERALLY ONE OF THE WORST DISABILITIES IN EXISTENCE*

[@luna-pearl]

Jayfeather would NOT appreciate you saying that LOL

[@fairycat23]

Do you mean Jayfeather? He's functioning just fine. Besides, that could've happened regardless of whether Leafpool and Crowfeather's relationship was legal.

[@0iqgremlin414]

Being blind isn't the worst disability, and either way he probably would've been blind regardless of the circumstances of his birth

[@MyaReaper]

Istg- EVERY MEDICINE CAT BROKE THE WARRIOR CODE AT. LEAST. ONCE.

[@xundertowofslugsx3517]

I have to disagree, firstly medicne cats take an oath, by choice. Fully aware of the consequences. (No kits, no mate, no family). If anything the clans should make absolutely sure that the cats are old enough and mature enough to fully understand what they are agreeing to when they take the oath, because most of them are young and inexperienced cats. Secondly, not every cat is going to be able to act just as leafpool did. She also lacked on the bonding with her kits as well. She loved them, but she never had the chance to raise them or care for them as a mother would have. Even if the kits really were squirrel's leafpool wouldn't care for them as much as if they were her own. [Like if you had a child, and your brother or sister also had a child. If both children are for whatever reason dangling off a cliff and you can only save one of them. You're obviously going to save your own child rather than the other one.] That's a dark example... After Mothwing had her kits and struggled between her love for her kits, and her clan mates she knew not every cat would be strong enough to put aside their love and feelings to care for their clan as a whole, thus the making of the rule because most every queen/tom prioritizes their own kits above all other cats. As for medicine cat tom's having kits, its 2019 eveyone would flip on the Erin's that it was sexist... The problem with medicine cats having kits isn't all about the birth or pregnancy, it's about the care the cats would give their kits. And the possibility of bias between them and their clanmates Otherwise medicine cat Tom's would have kits. besides medicine cats often lack real world experience so a warrior tom vs a medicine cat tom, the med tom technically has less of everything. The warrior tom has the freedom to have kits and go on about his day hunt, play, train them and do pretty much whatever afterwards. The medicine cat tom would be sitting around confined in camp. He wouldn't be able to teach his kits anything, or hunt for them, really not even have time play with them either. like a warrior tom or even a queen would be able to. And like a she cat he would know all the things that could happen or injure his kits and he would know all of the things he would have to do to save them, and all of the things he couldn't do to save them. So a tom would also be wondering and worrying about his kits all the time. Instead of focusing on his work. So i'm sure they would treat their kits with more care than other cat's kits as well as the she cats.

[@muffyC1]

What I'm exactly thinking. They just keep saying, but...And of course it's true but these rules were set for a reason. I will be disappointed if the writers change the rule of having no kits and mate, just because people think it's "dumb", some of our rules in life are dumb but they are set to a logical purpose.

[@ccondelli]

I completely agree with you, and have thought all of this for a long time. THANK YOU!

[@ThatOneLeek]

Me and my ex debunked the whole "medicine cats shouldn't have kits" thing. We both said that a medicine cat gets an apprentice, right? They train them for 6 moons (or a bit longer) and then the apprentice becomes a medicine cat. So, why can't they have kits then? You could say that they might need two for a battle or smth but even then, battles rarely ever happen and there's not a lot of warriors who just get hurt. So yeah, what BGA said.

[@idrawforbloodmoney7967]

i see why they are your ex

[@chewy1807]

i always felt it was because of a medicine cat had complications during kitting and ended up like silverstream, but didn’t have an apprentice that didn’t know herb knowledge then what would the clan do?

[@dawnklinkiewicz6877]

I THINK THAT MEDICCINE CATS SHOULD HAVE KITS ALL CLAN MEDS WHY STOP THEME WE NEED MORE CATS IN TC'

[@mrrrrp]

0:07 I mean it should be allowed but not mating with a cat from a different clan. But I like how you showed Leafpool, Jayfeather Hollyleaf and Lionblaze

[@childishknight8587]

Okay I am confused, Is there a medicine cat code, because I can’t find one on the official website. Some people say there’s a medicine cat code and others say there isn’t. help me

[@sungflower]

there is a med cat code said multiple times in the books, but they haven't put it on the website. but there is one.

[@baldahahgsbxhsbadvsgv]

I agree with this too much. I think that to have kits when a med cat, you need to have a full grown apprentice with an official med cat name, just to help with the birth of the kit and so you can 100% trust them because they know everything that they need, and a foster mother that is willing to take care of the kit and you also need a clan that cares. You know. Like Thunderclan.

[@bizarrestar473]

I'm an idiot, sorry- are tom medicine cats allowed to father kits?

[@rohankishibe4352]

Nope, not even toms

[@lorenzoantonini1350]

also does anyone also see the some of the samething with blustar and mothflight they both gave up their its except to be med for mothflight and for bluestar to be deputy.

[@rainnyy]

I’m kinda sad Leaf` pool died :’>

[@avelvett]

Spoilers Not everyone knows about this

[@zhongli_simp_lmao7160]

Hey, not to be annoying but could you please put spoiler alerts before saying these things. I haven't read a couple of the new books yet and just got spoiled. :)

[@rainnyy]

@@zhongli_simp_lmao7160 oh, sorry ;w;

[@cooldolphin8857]

*I think blue star came up with this rule the second she realised the son of Jake was joining her clan and had a liking towards spotted leaf*

[@B-Roc]

Like if we need med cats to have kits :)

[@Hairartistyou]

I agree with the "no kits" rule . It's apart of the warrior code and should be honored. Some of my favorite characters where from Medican cats . But I also believe they should be able have kits , Medican cats are usualy very responsible and smart they should be able to have kits and a mate. if they had two medicine cats, an apprentice , or a foster mother it would also help.

[@peanutbrittle6246]

sparkle pm Actually, the rule that medicine cats shouldn’t have kits is not in the warrior code, it’s just a rule that the clans follow because they think it’s better that way.

[@ainsleyhall1445]

I feel like medicine cats should be able to a mate and maybe adopt kits or something but they shouldn’t have kits of their own

[@polargalaxyyt7758]

What's the difference between adopting kits and having kits if your own imao

[@maddy.kilty.mcconnell]

There should be another role where your a warrior but you also know the most important herbs so the medicine cats can have kids and also in case of emergency. Just like brightheart! She was a warrior but also knew lots of medicine cat stuff.

[@linxmoment8572]

Medicine Cats SHOULD Mess Up The Right Herbs With Deadly Ones Because They're Distracted

[@danielleclark5076]

I always looked at it this way if they have kits and there's a huge greencough outbreak and the other one is needed