Medicine’s Dirty Secret | Doctors and Mental Health

Doctors have some of the highest rates of depression and suicide out of any profession, and yet, they are less likely to seek mental health treatment than the general population. Why is there such a stigma surrounding mental health among physicians? And what can we do to change it?
Mental health stigma among physicians is an issue that impacts all of us. We need to take a good hard look at the issue of mental health among physicians and start making strides to break down these barriers to seeking treatment. Only then will we be able to make meaningful progress towards happier and healthier physicians.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
01:18 The Culture of Medicine
03:21 Medical Licensure & Hospital Privileges
06:10 How to Decrease Stigma
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[@khalilahd.]

I love that you guys talk about the things like this. We need the awareness 🙏🏽

[@amplemedicallectures]

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[@A1dakz]

4th year medical student, I have stopped stressing and I'm trying to enjoy my time more. We only live once, and no matter where you work and which residency you get into - you have the power to create the life YOU want. Stop stressing and start enjoying. Break the vicious cycle.

[@Peanuts76]

Thanks, we need people like you

[@A1dakz]

@@Peanuts76 ❤️

[@Summerkillens]

People make it sounds so easy. Hopefully I can wake up one day and “just stop” stressing 😐

[@LJStability]

A huge part of this increase in mental health can largely be stemmed from the training and hospital environment. When you adopt a hierarchical model, it's easy to justify handling rude or demeaning colleagues or attendings saying, "It will get better after I finish training". It's a learned helplessness that can spiral out of control if you aren't careful. I think a large part of the "work-life balance" that people talk about is more a response to seeing this and saying, "Damn, I'm not going to kill myself for this job if people are this much of an asshole to me".

[@kg-ke1fw]

It's more because of the corporate for profit model

[@JustMe-12345]

No…. At least not where I’m from. There isn’t that much hierarchy, for example (in both hospitals I’ve been in during practicals) everyone used each other’s first names. From cleaning staff to head surgeon. Nurses, medical students, doctors. It was just normal. And like… I haven seen into a certain field more deeply, but from what I’ve seen they have been pretty chill with their supervisors. And the docs teaching us are overall really nice and helping.

[@kathringlazova4942]

@@JustMe-12345 may I ask where are you from?

[@anaos1004]

I was denying having depression while studying for step 1. That went well... not. Now that this is being addressed, I feel like another person. Doctors should be screened for mental health issues, not discouraged to pursue help.

[@trevorjennings721]

Hello Ana, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus??

[@collintrainor7193]

You forgot to mention the incredible financial burden on medical students and how risk of failure and taking on that financial burden with no medical degree if they fail affects mental health. Medical school is the most expensive it has been ever, and therefore this problem compounded on decreasingly available residency positions nationwide compared to the number of applicants is substantial. Nobody wants to fail medical school or fail to match with $200,000-$300,000 of student loan debt.

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[@Ananvil]

Once you're in, you're financially trapped.

[@scholaroftheworldalternatehist]

Yikes...

[@Justiceisone]

This is one of the reasons why I am going into psychiatry. The entire system is garbage and NEEDS new perspective.

[@idarmistorres3156]

We need you!🫶

[@Xynlr123]

I remember med school driving me into my first experiences or anxiety and depression. I ultimately walked away and don’t regret that decision. I live a great and happy life!

[@marinmazer]

I still remember my 1st year of med school, I really wanted to go to a talk about impostor syndrome but was afraid I’d be singled out or stigmatized for it. When I decided to go for it and walked in, 80% of my class was already in there, looking weirdly at each other. It felt like a huge relief for me. I dunno how many of them experienced it personally or just wanted to hear about it, but realizing the importance my cohort gives to this made me feel very grateful for my school. I’m hoping our generation and surrounding years will put stronger focus on self care in the field.

[@PrideofPitchers]

any advice for first year, from a mental health standpoint or anything else? about to start mine in a few months. i had imposter syndrome after the acceptance phone call lol.. didn't hit me that i was actually accepted until the email confirmation; thought they congratulated the wrong person.

[@camelliapeng5954]

@@PrideofPitchers not a med student but I'm in a profession heavily plagued by imposter syndrome. My mantra that I keep telling myself is "if I'm not good enough, I'll wait for them to tell me I'm not good enough. Meanwhile I'll use this opportunity to absorb as much knowledge as I can"

[@sarahkhalifa]

I didn’t know that getting therapy was going to affect my career But if i knew i might not still be alive today so Yay! Hope things change within these couple of years before i graduate, but it doesn’t matter it’s not like i can hide 5 years of therapy

[@IronFox365]

This is so true. Physicians need someone to talk to. The stigma must be eliminated.

[@GCT1990]

What stigma... Mental health which according to International Association of Applied Psychology And American Psychological Association (APA) isn't a stigma... Lol hasn't been a stigma since 2004 with increasing awareness at 97%... Explain to me how the vast majority of the world recognizes and acknowledges mental health issues yet we're still living in a stigmatized society? The two can't exist if we acknowledge mental health... Do you not understand what a stigma is? Or do you mean that psychologists can't see other psychologists which would be a stigma... If that was a thing which it is, no one ever has ever said that a psychologist can't see a psychologist. No one is demonizing mental health so what are you talking?

[@TheRealSkinImInMD]

Such an important topic. An important aspect to improve things will be changing the culture. Physicians seeking professional help to improve their mental health should be normalized. Also, I personally have to consistently remind myself in my training that medicine isn’t everything- doing what makes me happy outside of medicine is just as important.

[@dracon501]

I do MRI at a hospital located in the rough side of town and the majority of my patients are drug/homeless/ams. I went to the county fair with my family and it felt weird to be around large crowds of happy, healthy, mobile people. Those type of events are needed to refresh and renew your perception of the world and your role in it.

[@jlahoud94]

I am a clinical psychologist and I plan to enter med school when I'm 30. I've been thinking about how my mental health will be affected and I am extremely concerned about it. At this age, just thinking about studying biochemistry all over again brings back some forms of anxiety. Also, I plan on getting married soon and I wonder if i will be able to sustain family needs while I'm still a student. Basically it's the only thing that is keeping me on stand from applying. The system of med schools is harsh on students and I've always thought why don't they make a program that lasts 5 or 6 years instead of 4. With respect to competition, grades don't mean much, and eventually you'll forget everything from the books if you don't practice it. In the end, it's all about time management. If this time is spaced a little, maybe students and attending physicians may have some time to take care of other things in their lives. We're only humans, not robots. Awareness is only the first step. Action is needed.

[@SFROutdoors]

I like the nod at Dr. Mike with the 'happy and healthy' at the end. Very nice gesture

[@bobbywhite5319]

Dr. Mike is cringe cult of personality

[@azeminaay4971]

thank you for shining a light on this Doc, much needed conversation that needs more discussion and awareness!

[@quashawnchadwick2334]

I really appreciate Dr. J for making this video. I was first introduced to this channel when I was still a premed and now I’m just about to complete M1 year and this video couldn’t come at a better time. I’m glad the conversation around the stigma of mental health is getting some attention. It’s definitely part of the hidden curriculum.

[@joshualin3217]

This is such a great video on a problem that is complicated, but crucial to providing better care!

[@marymccoy7035]

Thank you so much for bringing this to light. You are wonderful!

[@trevorjennings721]

Hello Mary, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus??

[@arifxawad6420]

This video was in my recommendations constantly for 3 days straight ngl

[@banner7310]

I plan to be open if I go through this. I won't be silent and show prove of video, comments and even my own work place and schooling to show this is a serious issue. I can't help people if I can't get help for myself.

[@fatihk1194]

It is a very important topic.Thanks for putting this subject to the front. But it is not just working hours and hierarchy. In medical career you see lots of traumatizing events and you see them more often than any other normal person. And this will have effects on your mental health. In my internship I was in Oncology service and it really had an impact on me and I questioned choosing medicine first time in my life as a profession. So i decided to follow a career in Microbiology. I hope everyone choose that suits their personality and interests rather more money or statue.

[@hayden_ferguson]

PREACH THIS ALL DAY EVERYDAY .

[@meierlinksd4996]

Okay, long time viewer of this channel, though, in full disclosure, never went to medical school, nor, obviously, became a doctor. I have just been curious for various reasons. And yes, I have watched other channels, with people that are attending physicians all the way down to med students to even get one iota of understanding of how medicine really works. Having said that, I really, really, really do not want to get into a flame war, so I wish to apologize if the tone seems a little rough. So here goes .... Yes, mental health -- due to jobs, the type of jobs, the economy, the pandemic, inflation, and so on -- has unfortunately gotten worse overall the last few years. And it still seems we still give lip service, but not actual help for those in need. For even one example, the lady doctor in NY who worked the COVID ward long enough to only wind up taking her own life. She was run down, overwhelmed, and had more and more depression losing more patients in a month or so than some doctors lose in his or her career. My heart goes out to her and to others. It is why this channel and others try to promote "work-life balance" and recognize there are times that, no matter what, you have to take a few days to get away from medicine altogether. To promote well being and to prevent burnout. This is good, too. However ... (And here it comes ...) Some of this sounds a little disingenuous, to me. How? Because you are promoting the same attitude and opinion that you just mentioned was bad and leads to suffering to go unreported. A few months ago, you made an off-hand comment that showed more of your nature. You had a guest on (I forgot who he was), and you said, and I quote: "There are too many candy-asses in the world!" Followed by laughter. You have spoken about the cutthroat nature of both a competitive undergraduate university and med school. You have talked about your struggles with Crohn's. And yet, there was still time to well ... flex. "Well, I came back and got back on track. 4.0. 4.0. 4.0. Wound up finishing at a 3.9." First, it does sound a little like Tom Clancy's character Jack Ryan. Doing his third year in traction from the helicopter crash. And second, once again you are STILL promoting the culture that you find, seemingly "concerning". Getting close to a perfect 4.0 GPA. High MCAT. High results in Step 1 with the Dedicated Schedule. Ranked to Match in a highly competitive specialty. Look, no one said it is not good to see all that you achieved, even with leaving Plastics residency. But ... Some of it may be too much for those med students, who, as smart as they are, may not reach those same standards. They might get angry, upset, and depressed with themselves. And with many residencies having these 48, 54, 60, 72+ hour on-call shifts just to get to take the next big step on the way to becoming an attending ("because that is the way it has always been. You gotta pay your dues ") ... it is just ... well ... Disingenuous, at times. The "talking out of both sides of your mouth" problem. Just try to be more careful, okay? Again, I like that you are trying to help students and residents. It is good work. It is just seeing some of these other sides of you that may not necessarily help someone else in med school or residency who might be struggling, that's all.

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

Appreciate the feedback. I think these are related but ultimately separate issues. These are some initial thoughts: 1. Competition is a function of supply and demand. We can only change that on a systematic level by increasing number of open positions. 2. I want to empower students to realize they can do more than they believe their limits to be. Almost everyone could become an A student 3. Effective individuals must take responsibility for their lives and not put the blame on others, even when something isn’t their fault. Responsibility empowers you. 4. The culture of medicine is separate from all these points. Thinking someone is weak for having mental health issues or seeking treatment is not related to the other points. Getting verbally abused in training is not necessary. Being on the receiving end of sexism (both ways) or racism is not necessary. Being treated as cheap labor is not necessary.

[@meierlinksd4996]

@@MedSchoolInsiders Thank you for your reply, Dr. Jubbal. Forgive my tardiness from reading your reply and responding to it. I know this might be long, so I am apologizing in advance. Yes, you can say that competition is a function of supply and demand and that people should take responsibility and accountability over their lives. However, I am not so sure the culture of medicine is quite divorced from this. If someone, and for easiness, let me just use the pronoun "I" going forward for this example, believe some of my other med classmates are almost lethally competitive, why would I self-report, say depression? Why would I want them to gain a further advantage over me? Why would I wish to feel inadequate and have even the faculty respect my work less and less? Whether that is the true reality or not, it will remain that some students will not get help when they need it. Especially if I am competing with some of these same people over the same residency of the same specialty in the same hospital. Again, even though I'm suffering, why would I want to suffer more if someone else should find out? In this way, some med students, then, are playing a high speed game of chicken with themselves and others. And people are getting more and more hurt. You spoke of how this same culture should not be promoting or enabling racism, sexism, or more recently, I would add ageism for the non-traditional students. I do agree with all of that. However, it does seem as though the "cheap labor" of med students and residents still continues in some hospitals. Yes, sleep deprivation is a bad thing, and yet, you might not get too far on a 48+ hour on-call as I spoke of. Some attending physicians might just tell you to "Suck it up and deal with. Pay your dues." And other such things. Even though medicine is in a hierarchical system, how might you save yourself and your sanity when the workplace does seem to be a bit hostile and a bit lax on preventative discipline? Even when it feels maybe a nurse or two may also turn on you? Part of the sleep problem is also affecting attending physicians, now. It is not just about the pandemic. This time it is about doctors fighting with insurance companies. Not just about a procedure or what is on someone's formulary. But about reimbursement. Maybe it is a topic you could address later, but less reimbursement means taking on more patients, which can lead to further stress, further lack of sleep, further chance of medical error, and overall less chance of overall good mental health. They are burning out! And then the patients will start to lose faith in the doctor, with questions of, "Do you want this doctor who already has made a surgical error recently and without any sleep for awhile, operating on you?" Which, down the road, could lead to more fear and depression, this time wondering about losing their job they have held so dear. And finally, you said it yourself. Both inside and outside of medicine, many people still see mental troubles as a sign of weakness and weak people. We then judge them accordingly. As you put it, it is trying to overcome these biases in perceiving others, including when a fellow doctor may not take neither your physical pain or mental pain seriously. I root for the doctors as well and appreciate what they do. I hope we can indeed save our doctors from despair. It will just take both the right measures and the right attitude to do so. That is why I was pointing out something like the "candy-ass" comment. It can be seen as the same culture as seeing so many doctors burnt out and emotionally shattered as "weak" that "they couldn't take it". That's all. Thank you for your time. Thank you for putting up with me. And again, pardon the length of this response.

[@nightshockplayz5894]

This is why I care more about my happiness now.

[@abster237]

Hi Med School Insiders, would it be possible to talk about residents unionizing? The pros, cons and why there aren't many unions for medical residents/doctors. Please and thank you.

[@irenenavarrette1918]

We need our Doctors! Make sure to thank them and let them know by giving them a card or whatever you can. Pray for them! God can take care of them.

[@elijahmurray6094]

I have a mental illness. I still want to become a neurosurgeon 🧠

[@elijahmurray6094]

@@drsatyamupadhyayXD hell yeah 😎

[@Neil-pf8tb]

Lack of time to seek medical care is also a huge factor. A lot of us don't have much free time, we're attuned to our craft 7 days a week and the rest of the time, we spend it to rest our body. Especially in busy and rigorous programs, they don't have time to do these things even if they want to

[@julieoh019]

It doesnt help when acgme is forcing us to complete “fatigue and burnout module” when I am working 80+hrs a wk & our program is sending emails that if we dont get this done they’ll pull us out of clinical duties lol 🙄 please do that, please.

[@TaniaSofiaM]

my husband is in residency now and my question is still the same even i keep supporting him, WHY YOU YOU CHOOSE TO GO TROUGH THIS PATH IF YOU KNOW YOU WILL END UP HATING YOUR LIFE WITH NO TIME FOR YOUR PERSONAL LIFE AND NOT GETTING SUPPORT AT WORK LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING ???? But still many like him are still choosing medicine 'mine wanting to specialize in neurosurgery. but how well , i keep doing my best for him)

[@TheTheaterThug]

Hard work thats productive and aligned with your purpose doesn't lead stress/burnout. The big thing that causes anxiety is the uncertainty and uber-competitiveness of the match and not knowing if your hard work will pay off or not

[@fatihk1194]

In my country some doctors work for 36 hours of non stop night shifts and do it for 10 times in a month for specialties like pediatrics or cardiology. And for a salary 1000 dollars a month. So these difficult specialties chosen less than before and many students wants to be for example dermatologist to avoid this stress and psychological burden

[@sena4929]

Ve inanılmaz bi şekilde bizim sınıfta çoğu insan her şey yolundaymış gibi davranıyor.Ya da çoğu şeyi içlerinde yaşıyorlar.

[@fatihk1194]

Maalesef hocam :(

[@zeemdotexe]

I have GAD (well..probably, will get officially diagnosed soon) and I hate mentioning it to people, even friends & family. Every time I talk about it, they have no idea how to respond, then immediately change subject. I've been called lazy all my life for something I literally can't control, and now that i understand it, I still can't explain it to ppl without coming off as a deranged, crazy person. Imagine if people reacted that way when I mention I have scoliosis lmao shit's messed up🤦🏻‍♂️

[@frankmdzr3045]

Don’t worry fellow citizen I have GAD too and you aren’t alone. The explanation you just have is similar to mine. The laziness happens to me too. You just want to be mentally safe and with 0 stress because it actives anxiety and excessive worry. You are not alone. Who knows how many other people deal with the same thing but do not open out because it is hard to explain to others who don’t have it. Stay strong.

[@zeemdotexe]

@@frankmdzr3045 ❤️❤️❤️

[@dwagz6311]

Pathology (so you want to be) next por favor 🙏

[@sydneyhart]

SUNY Downstate in Brooklyn is a hotbed for mental health discrimination and stigmatization.

[@deep.inmind]

This is true I'm also preparing for entrance exam of medical school, i totally understand this.

[@trevorjennings721]

Hello Shweta, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus??

[@MrRKWRIGHT]

It's no wonder that doctors have some of the highest rates of depression and suicide out of any profession. After all, they're constantly being asked questions by people who see ads on TV encouraging them to ask their doctors about prescription drugs with side effects. Let's all pitch in to Save Our Doctors by not asking them so many questions.

[@andyengle2238]

When I was hit by a car, they wanted to talk about my depression more than my potential injuries in the crash. I was on a bicycle and barrel rolled over the car, did a flip, and fell head first into the ground, but somehow my depression was the biggest factor, here? Haven't gone to a doctor since and invested in tricked out first aid and field surgeon's kits from Amazon just in case something like that ever happens again, so that way I can just fix myself at home without all that nonsense of doctors demanding to know why I took myself off the antidepressants that made me obese and really sick physically without doing a whole lot for my depression. 0/10 would not recommend ever getting caught with mental health problems even if you aren't a doctor 🙄😒😕

[@Cherry.Blossom]

You didn't mention the whole situation about watching patients' suffering and watching them them die, when you literally cannot do anything more to help them. Telling your patients the worse info they have ever heard. Watching them cry. Thinking every night if you could do anything better or different. It's uncommon for any other profession to be in the middle of such a crisis everyday. It it hard to talk about this topic, because other people don't understand how it is, even therapists. It is our reality.

[@fatihk1194]

It is a very important topic. In my internship i was in Oncology service and it really had an impact on me and I questioned choosing medicine first time in my life as a profession. So i decided to follow a career in Microbiology. I hope everyone choose that suits their personality and interests rather more money or statue.

[@a.s.a6614]

oh god take care y'all 💙

[@habib580]

How long does the medical school insiders mcat prep course sale last for?

[@kizumekojilee2255]

I'm still studying my undergrad course which is Biology and planning to proceed medicine however, a year ago, I got covid infection and by then experiencing anxiety and panic attacks so I'm having second thoughts now...

[@bhaviniu6688]

don’t sacrifice your health and life for a career that always requires more than you can give. i’ve been having second thoughts too so you are not alone :) i believe in you whether you stay on med track or choose another career choice whichever makes you happy

[@trevorgalvez9127]

What would be stopping physicians from doing talk therapy or strictly non-clinical help? I think it would be great to do a group or personal session to talk about their issues, but does that have to be reported as treatment for anxiety and/or depression?

[@katemichelle]

Treatment for mental health can show up when physicians try to get disability insurance and when they apply for their licenses. Also, just time in general. I’m a med student and I can barely see my physician for 30 min per year as is. I can’t even imagine trying to set up weekly therapy

[@sarahkhalifa]

@@katemichelle same problem here.. wanted to see my therapist next week but i got an exam after the weekend so i need to prioritise studying

[@TheTheaterThug]

The other thing too is that the treatment for depression and mental health issues is a not an actual solution. You can't expect to give someone prozac and tell them to talk to some counselor that knows nothing about how to actually help them with their problems and expect everything to get better. It's much deeper than that and there needs to be solutions targeted at the cause of peoples stress. Career/med school problems - need a mentor who can show you the way; finance problems - refer to white coat investor or jimmy turner, relationship/marriage problems - refer to a life coach like Corey Wayne or some other dating coach

[@rrrrgg2460]

This week we talked about med students that use some drug for to be more clever or something with our teacher and he said why today's students is like this? . I had a congress yesterday and there was a person who speak about how to improve ourselfs and how we should make more efforts and there are to many teachers like him.They though they are giving us good advice but i don't think so.the med school already difficult enough and they say how to fill cv, ....Every person different from each other some of us don't tired easily, they can go city to city, country to country or talk to teachers easily but most of us isn't like this and they want us to be that kind of person.I give my energy to lessons and i'm doing my hobbies at my remaining time.I don't want to listen anymore

[@LegendofYeti]

Hi! I’m an incoming first year medical student and have bipolar disorder. I’ve gotten this far being open about my experiences and want to continue the transparency to try to decrease stigma around mental health. But I’m nervous about the repercussions of obtaining licensure down the road and unsure how to have such conversations. Do you have any advice? Thank you so much!

[@pavi3878]

Bro just talk to Ur parents it will be helpful for this solution and friends too

[@LegendofYeti]

@@pavi3878 my parents and friends can’t help in this situation, but thanks!

[@pavi3878]

@@LegendofYeti no worries where is Ur country

[@zariyahcampos3565]

i wish there is an innovation in acads in medschool to make the workload of med students lesser

[@meditationpoint649]

Hello Doctor I am in Pakistan and I want to become a orthopedic surgeon in USA. I am in college which is 2 years.I want to get scholarship for MD program please guide me how can I prepare for MCAT.please make a short video.🙏

[@kg-ke1fw]

When did dentists get beat in this category?

[@TheWalterHWhite]

Imagine sacrificing all of the fun years where memories and self develops. Studying 12 hours a day, and then working 80 hours a week or more for less than minimum wage. You endure hell while being under a constant pressure to compete. A 12 year marathon. When you finally arrive, you get told that your benefits and pay are being cut, mid-levels are encroaching on your practice, and a MBA is telling you how to care and treat patients.

[@michaelzeng77]

Idk how but I read "Mental health of a Sigma" 🤣

[@brucedwaynezabdieldecastro4065]

How can you correlate the number of doctors around the world and the number of males around the world?

[@baylorwiggins9781]

No video this week?

[@Dblue-rhino]

Sort of like anti-abortion laws. (Third trimester excluded).

[@drlove5825]

This is no secret lol

[@gabrielbissi1494]

Imagine been salved by an gigant structute beureau that controls all your real possibilities of recieving care /working in that field and calling it “freedom”

[@irenenavarrette1918]

Struggles does not mean mental health. And as far as the CDC, really!

[@rojenaafroz9977]

Someone explain this to Asian parents

[@exactlygoodyea1234]

S I G M A

[@ashwinoommen8884]

Romans 10:13: For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

[@kennethtan6542]

first comment

[@tylerbachman9049]

nope Habib got ya beat buddy

[@Dblue-rhino]

Advice: seek anonymous psych care from friend or colleague. Buy drugs from China or Canada if needed.

[@master-nj5li]

SIGMA

[@bmom6738]

That’s what happens when you sell your soul

[@irenenavarrette1918]

Stop messing with our Doctors! Help them! Dont try to make them mental patients.

[@m.k.2221]

Yeah try F.20 and becoming a doctor -.-

[@goldy4631]

1st step, don’t be a doctor 👏🏽👏🏽

[@arianacareymariahgrande3582]

becoming a doctor literally isn't worth it. nursing is where it's at

[@nowie4007]

True

[@sarahkhalifa]

In my opinion nursing is worse because of the amount of work, the lack of appreciation and compensation As a doctor things could eventually get better. Im not sure how it could get better in nursing. honesty props to all the nurses out there. Im glad people have a perspective like yours.

[@hippocratesm.d.1543]

Pharmacy is what's up

[@hippocratesm.d.1543]

Or veterinary medicine is the best ... Helping animals is better than people.

[@rastafarai3712]

Dentistry is where’s truly at