Medieval Music is My Black Metal

[@birdbrain4978]

I think if we could hear nature clearly it might sound like a medieval musical composition. So simple and raw. We’re probably tuned out to it these days. Thanks for the vid!

[@charlielookerNYC]

this is a beautiful idea of nature. I hope it's true!

[@juanborjas6416]

Super interesting topic.

[@schattenheim]

So you like „the moon lay hidden beneath a cloud“? Was a great time with Elzbeth and Albin (RIp)….

[@PhilipDaniel]

Guillaume Machaut forever!

[@charlielookerNYC]

the god!

[@PhilipDaniel]

@@charlielookerNYC You know, it's no coincidence that Romanticism, as a reaction against the Enlightenment formalism of harmonically "functional" tonal Classicism, saw the first stirrings of an early music revival, which touched the music of composers from Berlioz to Brahms. The rediscovery of modality and counterpoint arguably played a pivotal role in the rapid expansion of chromatic harmony as a byproduct of parsimonious voice-leading, and the ensuing dissolution of a stable tonal center (reaching a turning point in Richard Wagner's Tristan und Isolde). This leads, of course, to the organum-like qualities of French Impressionism and the highly contrapuntal works of the Second Viennese School (Anton von Webern and Egon Wellesz, two of Schoenberg's most gifted and influential students, both held university degrees in the study of early music).

[@charlielookerNYC]

@@PhilipDaniel Yes to all of the above!!

[@rosevelasquez9110]

"it was never cool, probably never gonna be cool" bet you weren't expecting the bardcore/medieval style revival of June 2020

[@charlielookerNYC]

I sincerely hope that this doesn't happen, but it may be inevitable

[@ivanliptak19]

Thanks for talking about music theory, and also some pedagogy. I wanted to ask about the bands Hazel-Rah, Time of Orchids, Kayo Dot of course. And those really dense sections in 'Nobody wants to be had,' rhythmically and harmonically. I'm a 25 y/o "composer," not really a metal guy, but I hear a lot of post-punk as well as medieval music in Extra Life. Can you also trace the medieval idiom to someone like Alex Mincek for example? I feel like I intuitively can but analytically not so easily. Anyway, thanks

[@charlielookerNYC]

Ivan Liptak i don’t think early music is a huge direct influence on Mincek’s music. He likes it, but i don’t remember him talking about it a lot. I remember him talking a lot about Helmut Lachenmann, Wolfgang Rihm, Mahler, and just straight up Mozart.

[@charlielookerNYC]

Ivan Liptak i guess, actually, the use of hocketing is a medieval thing, which Mincek got me into. The dense parts of “Nobody Wants..” are based on hockets

[@ivanliptak19]

Charlie Looker That’s neat because I was going to say Meredith Monk, who I know uses hockets too. I hadn’t thought of that stuff that way, but that definition makes a lot of sense.

[@charlielookerNYC]

Ivan Liptak yeah i have yet to be really gripped by M Monk but maybe she will click one day. Oh another hocket master that we loved in early Zs days was Louis Andriessen

[@ivanliptak19]

Charlie Looker thanks for the recs, will def check them out. Grisey, Ian Antonio introduced me to. I guess Monk’s not so unlike Cage, not for everyone. Morton Feldman and Julius Eastman are names that also come to mind. Again I struggle to come up with contemporary ‘punk’ equivalents, let alone to compose with those strategies myself.

[@TatSu101]

Great content, thanks! Small typo in the description, it should be "Jacques Attali - Noise: The Political Economy of Music"

[@charlielookerNYC]

Thanks for the heads up :)

[@douglaslaing26]

Are you a fan of David Munrow's work? If so, do you have any favourite pieces/albums of his?

[@charlielookerNYC]

Douglas Laing yeah he’s the guy who sparked off the whole resurgence of interest in early music! Music of the Gothic Era, both volumes, is kind of the one. RIP

[@douglaslaing26]

@@charlielookerNYC Totally the same for me! I discovered him through his connection with Monty Python, and his work was immense. RIP indeed X

[@douglaslaing26]

@@charlielookerNYC This piece was used in a Python TV show sketch, and I had to wait about 20 years for Shazam to be invented to find out what it was. The 46 seconds that changed my life, after a 20 year wait ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3-7dYSHosqkpsk

[@BenHardy]

I agree with a lot of what you say but please get a decent microphone.