Medjugorje. Response to some messages that seem contrary to the Catholic Faith.

[@Raymond-d2l7n]

A wonderful elucidation of some difficult themes. Thank you, Fr. Leon.

[@timbiondo4873]

Love how Fr. Leon explains such things.

[@reba5679]

A successful young businessman went there at the urging of his parents because they saw his life moving in the wrong direction(immoral living). He agreed begrudgingly. He had a mystical experience and became a priest! His testimony is on KZbin. I don’t remember his name.

[@gerardonoriega7412]

Priest's name is Fr. Mark Beard

[@thekingslady1]

​@@gerardonoriega7412 the same priest who passed like a year ago??

[@noelthong6440]

​@@thekingslady1yes

[@Estbels]

Does he know what the changed at Vatican II and how it was warned of at Fatima?

[@kyriosbooks8400]

and fr. Calloway had it through Medjugorje

[@lizmonard]

3:04 that’s quite a stretch.. I’m sure our Heavenly Mother knows that saying religion when she means ethnicity would be very confusing.. 🤦‍♀️

[@evavanvollenhoven308]

I converted through Medjugorje! When i was 22 yrs old

[@metodalif4770]

what a wonderful discourse. Thank you.

[@jamesf3871]

Changing “All religions are equal before God”, to “All ethnicities are equal before God,” is a massive change. The former statement is blatant heresy. There is nothing at all controversial about the “contextualized” latter statement. You’d think that such a clarification would be easy for the alleged visionaries to make.

[@thecatholicman]

Ok Well remember that St, Catherine of Siena said that Our Lady said to her that she was NOT the immaculate conception. during her life there was a massive debate between Dominicans and Francisans on this, with lay followers having different views. St. Catherine is actually a said, but he way of viewing the faith at the time was heavily Dominican. We are placing a lot of pressure on these kids and what they understood.

[@francikoen]

Translations are NOT easy even for experts! Same with interpretations.

[@MinaDKSBMSB]

So confused. Catherine of Sienna is a Saint? Didn't she say that even if the pope was the devil incarnate that we should follow him? Or am I confusing her with someone else?

[@spykezspykez7001]

I would have to agree here. It's a big leap. I want to try and strong man the argument proposed in the video but say if the setting was Northern Ireland during the troubles.... What does it look like now? About St Catherine of Siena, saints while alive are still human and by that are not infallible, at least, should not be held to the standards of a true apparition of Our Lady herself.

[@francikoen]

@@spykezspykez7001 Saints are not infallible. But I also don't believe St. Catherine of Siena meant that literally. She was not that stupid!

[@bruno-orante]

Our Heavenly Mother loves all souls.. All souls are equally precious to Her 🙏 She would lovingly intercede for her children, even if they are wrongly following other religions. We say.. Sancta Maria pray for us sinners. Pax et Bonum 🙏

[@SineadWillis-k3h]

It really is in how the person interprets it, so true Fr Leon. People focussing on small things that are not even true and missing the absolutely amazing bigger picture and even more importantly the abundant graces that are there for the taking. Don’t waste any more time, grab the graces that are waiting for you

[@AlongCameSrPauline]

Waw such wisdom, Thank for sharing . Now is this going to reflect also upon what PF said last week about all Religions....? love the hear other peoples thoughts....tx

[@thecatholicman]

Well.. the Pope wasn’t a child. Massive difference and distinction needed

[@fionaobrien3591]

The fruits of Medjugorje speak for themselves. It is real, and it is a place of immense grace. I would urge all to go there while you can. It is where the hope for the world resides.

[@user-iq4ow3fn1t]

It still doesn't prove that the apparitions are true. Read 2 Thessalonians. It's only the Holy scriptures that give tbe truth. Also, the scriptures say that whoever adds to or removes from the word of God shall be cursed.

[@trnslash]

You should bring on E. Michael Jones for a discussion

[@jacquelinelukose1146]

It is good to hear him state that Christ is THE Way! His ranting and reinterpretations of the words spoken by the Pope are twisted. When words are many, sin is not absent. Speak plainly, as our Saviour and Lord did.

[@adeodata6364]

He wasn't referring to the words spoken by the pope recently, but to a message that Our Lady allegedly gave to the children of Medjugorje, saying that all religions were equal before her Son. Fr. Leon rather brilliantly explains that a message is received according to the receiver's understanding, and the children would have understood that all religions are equal instead of all peoples-ethnicities, because for them, religions and ethnicities meant the same thing. They were asked about a Serbian baby that was cured... How could he, if he was Serb (meaning orthodox)? The explanation seems pretty clear and simple to me 😋

[@patrickridgard2102]

Thank you fr.leon, your doing great work

[@PrayEveryDay]

I'm sorry. This is a slippery answer. All religions means all religions, not ethnicities. The messages went out to the world. They were intended for the world. Medjugorje supports the objectives of the modern program well.

[@KenPaulsenArchitect]

Here's the quote of what was allegedly said by Mary on Oct. 1, 1981: "Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world, all religions are not the same because all people have not complied with the commandments of God. They reject and disparage them." Yes, God loves us all. The second clause; "... all religions are not the same..." clearly contradicts the first clause if it said; "all religions are equal...". That wouldn't make sense, as critics often point out. Fr. Leon's video is correct though in that it emphasizes looking at the body of messages which confirms the correct interpretation rather than twist one thing to discredit everything.

[@SarmadLach]

1. Misunderstanding of the language 2. Misinformation about the message 3. What else was said prior to these confusing messages... Sounds like I'm listening to Michael Lofton..

[@user-iq4ow3fn1t]

Just like they try to justify Islam.

[@margarethporpiglia11]

Call a Domenican and you will get a true logical and erudite explanation!They know better! Great elucidation from Father Leon. Thanks for sharing.

[@thecatholicman]

Dominicans are blessed to have the time to draw us back. They are really incredible.

[@adeodata6364]

Such beautiful, simple and clear explanations, and given with such peace and meekness... Truly refreshing and encouraging. Thanks for sharing 🌹

[@robbieengland2671]

So Our Lady now speaks in parables which the faithful require interpreting. What a contrast from Fatima. There are a lot of red flags with this event. A good priest once informed me that if you were hungry and given the best and tastiest sandwich ever made but it had a dot of poison inside would you eat it?

[@johnmilano8113]

I am so sorry. But especially after this Pontificate, I just do not believe ambiguity and confusion come from God. Any time people, even pious people need to re-explain to me what someone really meant, they lose me. My mother would never, never create confusion. No matter how many people are inspired by Medjugorje, and I was one of them, I just do not see it now. I assume this is why private revelations do not require any attention.

[@whitneyferoce4870]

Its not just the confusion but there are so many signs early on that its a grift. It reminds me of marcial maciel from the legion of christ. One of the seers from medj.early on when some priests went to see the seers and observe the kids came in got on their knees in front of a statue of mary go into their "ecstasy" and the priest darted his finger at her face..she flinched so not in ecstasy..but the qorst was the girl came to the priest after and said she moved because it looked like mary was going to drop baby jesus!!! Like what?!! Yea its clear its a grift..sadly

[@jimmylawrence2258]

God himself never intended to create confusion either with the Bible yet there are thousands of so called Christian denominations today. As Our Lady said,it is we on earth who havd made the differences.

[@jimmylawrence2258]

​@@whitneyferoce4870I really dont see what they wouldve achieved by making it up. These alleged visions brought them and their families so much persecution in atheist Yugoslavia.

[@lorddevonshire6382]

Our Lady would NEVER say something like 'all religions are equal before God'. Sorry, it's simply not possible. This vitiates the whole of Medjugorge. All Catholics must reject it. And don't compare that to 'I am the Immaculate Conception'. So lame.

[@SEANPOL203]

Satan rejects Medjugorie, I wonder why

[@lorddevonshire6382]

@@SEANPOL203 I want to believe that, but where's the evidence?

[@TheresaCronin-kc6wz]

Read about it there are numerous books

[@TheresaCronin-kc6wz]

Sean. Don’t go by those who make their opinion based on little or no information. Fr Leon is someone you can respect and depend on for the truth.

[@KenPaulsenArchitect]

Fr. Leon's point is appropriate (look at the whole body of messages) but the exact quote of Oct. 1, 1981 is as follows: "Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world, all religions are not the same because all people have not complied with the commandments of God. They reject and disparage them." This quote is available in multiple places online. It wouldn't make sense if the first sentence contradicted the third sentence. God loves us all.

[@paddyearly]

Very interesting to read some of the comments! Some people just don’t want to believe anything good comes from there! But just remember in the Bible it was said “can anything good come from Nazareth”! I believe that the fruits are huge- Fr. Leon said at least 800 vocations have come. Then add in all the conversions! So those who want to believe will do so & leave the rest think whatever they will.

[@spykezspykez7001]

Good can come from Mecca too. I myself see it as a miracle personally that so much good has come from there as I do not personally trust those visionaries my self in my estimation.

[@user-iq4ow3fn1t]

Read 2 Thessalonians.

[@margarethiggins1869]

Father thank you all blessings. Encephalitis hospital uhg in ireland thank you blessed lady everything amen

[@RexJudaeorum]

Yeah, this is a stretch. The thousands of messages of the "gospa" are so vague and pointless.

[@thecatholicman]

You should like a child who gets annoyed his mother keeps repeating the same thing but the child isn’t listening

[@SineadWillis-k3h]

⁠exactly. A good mother repeats herself until her children listen. We haven’t been listening. She called for peace. Are we at peace?

[@annemoulding7215]

I dont think messages are pointless if by guiding us Mary has to repeat things to get us to Heaven...be open hearted ❤

[@TheresaCronin-kc6wz]

Why do I think you have read them

[@borderlands6606]

I have visited Medjugorje and am open minded on the phenomena witnessed there. In some ways it fits with previous Marian visions, in other ways it is completely novel. The repetitive messages are a sticking point. Marian apparitions are generally succinct and unequivocal, whereas Medjugorje's are repetitive and unfocused. There are only so many ways of saying repent, fast, pray and they were exhausted in the initial phase in the 1980s. I wouldn't presume to dictate how the Holy Mother should intervene in the world, but brevity is not a strong point of the messages and brief messages gained plenty of traction with the faithful. Part of the problem is the divisive nature of Medjugorje, which can be characterised as a diabolical riposte to Fatima and clearly the work of the demonic, or absolute acceptance in all details of its authenticity. Is that the hardening of hearts or are we rightly sceptical? Beyond my pay grade either way.

[@CompA-hf8pt]

If people have their brains within their heads they would understand these messages appropriately. But if their brains are oozing out of their heads then the commotion begins.

[@JohnnyMidnyte]

I'm just really worried that Our Lady is going to drop the baby Jesus at Medjugorje. Very worried. Will no one assure that Our Lady doesn't drop the baby Jesus????

[@Kristina-yr6xg]

really weird thinking 🤔

[@KenPaulsenArchitect]

This event, experienced by Viska, occurred at an earlier apparition than the day she was poked. When she was asked why she flinched, she assumed it was in reference to that previous apparition as she was unaware she had moved that day. And that was her answer... that it appeared that Mary might drop Jesus. Granted, that's so unlikely.... but in the moment of impending tragedy, do you evaluate the likelihood, or react? Do you consider options, or impulsively respond? Listen again to Fr. Leon's video... look at the body of good works coming from Medjugorje. Jesus said that a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. He said a house divided against itself cannot stand. In advising our discernment, how could He be more clear?

[@bernicecollins9641]

Daft only very rarely with Second Person of the Holy Trinity as baby

[@user-iq4ow3fn1t]

​@@KenPaulsenArchitectShould we believe Vickas of this world ot the living word of God? Read 2 Thessalonians.

[@reynolddsouza4357]

My colleague read the private jesuit study I had received on Medjugorje and asked me what the sentence meant. " Go tell your parents to pray like the Muslim next door. There is good in others too if we look for it." In 1990, when I received the book, I did not get the meaning. "You know that I promised you an oasis of peace, but you don't know that beside an oasis stands the desert. I am with you, but I can not take away your freedom." (August 7, 1986, Medjudorje). After the Srebrenica and Markale massacres, NATO forces under Clinton intervened in 1995, which proved key in ending the genocide which lasted from 1992-1995. I then understood.

[@gailmiller5226]

This was a great explanation…

[@annekowallcheck7436]

Remember Satan can fool many our blessed mother even warned that even the elect will be deceived there is on,y one religion one path to heaven one God

[@gregbraum7330]

I seem to recall the same concerns that the message seemed contrary to Church teaching. Now where was that. Let me think. Oh yes, it was Jesus and the Pharisees

[@PLACIDO3]

What does religion mean by the way? Is it not “re-establishing the lost bond with God”?

[@bernicecollins9641]

Live 40 years plus fasting, Eucharist, Confession, Holy Rosary and then evaluate it

[@josipjosipovic4765]

They were not ethnicities, they are NATIONS!!!

[@Russ1875]

Same thing…

[@josipjosipovic4765]

@@Russ1875 It is not!

[@bernicecollins9641]

Most objections are academic; immature; cultural/ religious/ ethnic " baggage ": what it means to be HUMAN for each and every Being!

[@bernicecollins9641]

Narrowness ,God help

[@francikoen]

I heard that Our Lady said, *"People of all religions are acceptable to my Son."* And that agrees with Catholic doctrine. I don't believe Our Lady said that all religions are ok.

[@spykezspykez7001]

That's a disturbing thing and appears to be incongruous to the Gospel.

[@KenPaulsenArchitect]

The quote in question, available from multiple sources online is as follows: (Oct. 1, 1981) "Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world, all religions are not the same because all people have not complied with the commandments of God. They reject and disparage them." God loves us all. The first and third sentence cannot contradict each other.

[@SEANPOL203]

If you’re brought up never knowing or hearing anything about Jesus or the Gospel, it doesn’t mean you can’t be a great person

[@unamartin3700]

Almost all messages from medjugorie are contrary to the Catholic Faith.

[@nancycoelho2074]

Explained very well. Thanks for this priests

[@AnteT-b8w]

Good! Now, Fr Leon, can you understand how the words given to Luisa Piccareta re Divine Will can also be twisted!!?? Can you see that, like Fatima, Lourdes, Medjugorje and Divine Mercy....that the Gift of Divine Will can be twisted into heresy!!?? Ask our Lady to guide you in Truth, as you read her and her Son's messages to Luisa, rather than relying on your own "understanding" (Certainly don't consider the misspoken words of others who are interpreting a (perhaps) poor translation, through their life lens and vocabulary). You have much responsibility on your shoulders. May you be richly blessed, by the Most Blessed Trinity, through the intercesson of our Lady, with Divine Wisdom, Truth, insight, humility, and understanding, for Their honor and glory, and for the salvation of souls!!

[@seansheehy6725]

The visionaries grow lesser while the fruits through Mary's intercession grow greater.

[@Johannes-bu6np]

These messages are heretical - Francis approved!

[@aq5121]

What the HELL are you talking about. You’re going on and on about people’s personal denominations / “ethnicity”. This has NOTHING to do with the “messages”.

[@SEANPOL203]

Excellent, Fr Leon never fails to give articulate answers to all questions about Medjugorie much like Fr Slavko used to

[@ChristIsLord7]

I don’t trust this guy at all. I’m sorry but he seems like a used car salesman and isn’t being 100% honest. I’m sorry but I just don’t

[@thecatholicman]

So you don’t trust St Thomas Aquinas or St Catherine of Siena ??

[@KenPaulsenArchitect]

You need to hear the story behind Fr. Leon. It would change your mind. I believe it's on KZbin... but I heard it in person.

[@bernicecollins9641]

He's a qualified doctor from London and Oxford Dominican Catholic priest

[@patrickridgard2102]

🙏🇮🇪🙏🚕

[@trust.no_1]

Approval of medjugore by the heretic the message is directed at is very evil joke 😢

[@troyspiller]

Squaring round holes. Catholic theology for 2k years.

[@cloverfield911]

All this has done is make the Catholic Church even more invaid than they ever were!!!..If that was possible!!

[@PascalRascal-e9p]

😮Popes for 40 years did not approve Medjugorje and 2 weeks before the hellish Synod, the apparitions are approved? Is this not a tactic so we trust Crdl (stonecutter) Fernandez in order to push the new horizontal church during the Synod next month?... and to change the wording of the Eucharistic Liturgy? No, this is not by accident...this is how stonecutters work and you really have to be guided by the Holy Spirit to smell an evil plan in the works... Rot begets rot and we are living in end times with the prophecy that the Catholic church is going through its Passion...we need to read clearly the signs of our times. Don't want to be a pessimist...I am a realistic😮

[@Alfieruben-j1l]

The Apparitions have NOT been approved!!! Be Very Clear on that FACT! The site has been approved for prayer and pilgrimage. In other words Nothing at all changed from the previous stance of the church. No Supernatural apparitions are Believed OR Acknowledged by the church! “Nulla Osta” to prayer and Pilgrimage.