Meet The Teenage Millionaire Living Alone In New York City | Mai Pham

[@maiphammy]

thanks for having me on 🎉

[@wilsonjevin]

Big fan, if it makes you feel better I subbed to you before Graham, and I found you on Graham reaction video. 😂

[@flamingo5961]

We need a second episode Mai 👀

[@Paulina-sh2ov]

It was so nice to hear the story about Mai’s family! It’s crazy what she went thru. No wonder she is so mature, she had to figure all out on her own!! It really brings the hope that no matter how bad your situation is, you can make it!

[@CreatingAffluence]

You are so all over the place, there is clearly hidden stuff/trauma behind your behaviour, speech and actions. Your reluctance to dive deep into what you really feel and what really happens etc shows that your struggling with everything. If you see this, please think about your mental health further

[@wh.39]

love u !! ❤❤

[@Nelly_Vision]

Her originality is key to her success Side note: her dog just chilling on her lap during the podcast is adorable

[@reomi1738]

Mai is an excellent example of someone who is truly good at what they do. The fact that she makes viral videos without even being intentionally strategic for the algorithm speaks to this. And her courage to go for what she wanted despite her upbringing is so inspirational! Also W Graham!

[@henloworld514]

fr she just has the type of personality that effortlessly draws people in

[@angelface333]

💕💕💕

[@cassthompson3386]

Girl, you don't actually believe what she said about not being strategic or following trends or thinking anything about the algorithm at all, do you? Lmao 🤦‍♀️ come on girl...she literally uses her age and "living alone"90s as clickbait, as well as lying about spending a lot of money (like she mentioned). She posted the "Euphoria" video right at the hype of the show and at the exact time literally a hundred other people were doing the exact same video. She did "Kylie" and "kendall" videos, as well as "Bella Hadid" videos, etc. She literally pays an entire team of people who's literal job it is to give her ideas and follow the trends for her. And many, many other examples... Like come on girl, it's blatantly obvious that she got where she is by having a strategy and following the algorithm. Don't just blindly believe everything anyone says, especially "influencers".

[@jademarielgn]

@@cassthompson3386 okay. now what? either way, she makes entertaining videos, and is pretty successful for her age regardless of what her strategy is. u’ve made multiple comments on this video alone against her, and for what? what do u gain? and since we’re making assumptions about ppl we don’t know’s lives from behind a screen, i’d say u seem pretty fcking miserable.

[@bezymjannaja]

@@cassthompson3386 thank you! Someone said that! I'm sure parents are involved as well. Because 15 alone in USA? Yeah, sure... To believe in that you should be 12. Plus her videos? It's ridiculously nothing. I mean nothing. No personality which can be so atractive, no profession, no interests... Nothing. It's a content for 12 years old.

[@ruthlittle5307]

It’s crazy how young she is but she’s so self aware and unproblematic. I love watching her and love watching her succeed.

[@samiajones8705]

I know

[@mcginnsteph]

Saaaaame 💕

[@chelsea9493]

I discovered Mai back in her days living in my city of Edmonton in Canada. I am now 32 and find it impressive how this young lady has lived 20 lives at the age of 20. She's inspiring to people of all ages !

[@mcginnsteph]

Right! I’m 32 as well and I actually just found her this year and her moving to NYC alone Vlogs but I instantly thought she was fantastic and find her soooo inspiring!! 💕

[@charliefinn319]

I've been watching her since she lived on her friends couch. I'm 30 💕 I've always loved Mai.

[@ImFaiis]

Oh what the hell your from Edmonton too whats up

[@BronwynAlexandriaa]

Graham seems so protective over her. I can see how much he admires her. and he was asking her such good questions! as well as encouraging her… this is was nice to watch.

[@thea2473]

I feel like she's still awkward about her past and keep beating around the bush before she told it but I'm so proud she was able to share about it

[@classyme7533]

Yeah she was buffering. Obviously there’s more to it because she doesn’t really talk about it. It be nice if she can open up about it more, I think it would be interesting yet inspiring.

[@anovi1031]

I think her father was abusive to her, and she said that but in a different way. I mean that is a big reason to move out

[@anovi1031]

@@Bibblesupremacy1992 how? She literally said that she has a good relationship with her mom

[@InhaleSkyExhaleStars]

She is hurt obviously, i can see it and i feel for her 🥲💗

[@ue2267]

@@classyme7533 she doesn’t have to share anything. It’s clear it’s hard for her to share it openly to a bunch of strangers and that’s completely understandable. Somethings are better left unsaid.

[@florajones2302]

They were honestly pushing so hard she was uncomfortable but she was so sweet to answer their pushy questions. Like its. a very hard story for her to tell and to ask what if u didnt leave thats so touchy

[@aesthx3nia]

Her authenticity is so refreshing! She's the kind of KZbinr who reaches through the screen and makes you feel so not alone. I'm a 30 year old new mom and I so look forward to every new video she posts. She's honestly the only KZbinr who I will watch every single video they release. I loved this episode, I've been a subscriber of hers for years and I feel like this podcast allowed me to see so much more of who she is as a person.

[@leensalocin]

That’s what I’m saying, she’s not afraid to be “normal” and “ugly” on camera. She literally has vlogs where she would shave her hairy legs and armpits 😂 that’s what makes me like her

[@charliefinn319]

Same 💕 Let's be friends 💕

[@rinasmitty]

Awee i love that she’s able to do that for you ! You’re a consistent viewer ! I just started my channel and it’s so hard to build it up . But I’m working on being consistent

[@hmstru8y827]

My heart goes out to Mai because she is still so young and you can tell she really wasn't ready to discuss when she moved out at 15. I was kicked out at 17 and lived in a very toxic home staying at friend's homes and eventually moving in with a bf. It's a sensitive subject because if you come from chaos it can affect you even later on in life. I am so happy that she is beyond successful, but I really hope she finds or is seeing a good therapist to help work through her childhood trauma. She has such a good heart.

[@cordeliastockwell1837]

Mai, I respect you even more now! I just turned 30 today (happy birthday, fellow Sag!) and wish more young people had your mentality. I appreciate you don't have KZbin studio app on your phone, and you stay present and appreciate team work. Incredible! Keep evolving and growing :)

[@berriesl0ve722]

happy belated birthdayyy

[@SreySongz]

Definitely one of my favorite podcast you guys have had. Seeing the perspective of a female KZbinr has been really eye-opening when it comes to her management style (being carefree of deadlines and doing things on her own time, living happily day to day) compared to graham who is a micromanager and is on top of every single deadline. It’s cool to see that despite their very different approaches to managing their businesses, they’re both successful. It just goes to show that there isn’t a solid recipe for being successful, so long as it makes you happy and that you’re true to who you are, as shown by everyone here. Awesome podcast guys!

[@leahmcdermott4189]

Graham and Jack saying it’s hard to picture Mai being shy because she seems so extroverted tells me all I need to know about them. They aren’t good at reading people. Sometimes, people overcompensate or appear extra ‘bubbly’ even unintentionally to hide their fears and anxiety. This is the first time I’ve watched Mai and even I can see the anxiety and jitters practically bouncing off of her. Her eyes tell a story. Even talking about her childhood, you can see how difficult it was, she was really tears eyed. The procrastinating from talking about it due to its sensitive nature. Her social anxiety is not surprising at all. I’m a mental health professional but even before then, it’s just about reading people. Their body language, facial expressions, eyes will tell you way more than their words, if you care enough to look 💕

[@seilahpickering942]

I was thinking this the whole time, it's a shelter for people who have gone through crap. It's sad to see, but I love the fact that she's pushed through and even though she might be hiding behind that personality, she's in a good mental state overall. And the fact that she's open about her life and struggles is really refreshing to see.

[@JakeAoTK]

I studied communication for 6 years. She seems pretty extroverted to me. She feeds off fan interaction, her shyness I’d think is most likely situational anxiety from not being exposed to certain scenarios earlier in life. Many people just find it easier to be extroverted or social on the web due to it’s hyper personal nature. A lot of her behavior more so reminds me of my ADHD more than anything. Procrastination, time management, being jittery, changing focuses constantly, etc etc. But that’s just how I saw it. I’m sure we could probably go deeper, but maybe just some food for thought for anyone reading.

[@samu-chan]

you don’t know what social anxiety is. if SHE has social anxiety, then damn, I should be in a mental hospital for mine

[@leahmcdermott4189]

@@samu-chan I’m a mental health professional hun, so yes, I do know know what social anxiety is 😊. I actually used to experience it badly in my teens. And there’s different levels of social anxiety. Everyone is different, so what it might feel like to you, it may feel different to someone else. But you don’t invalidate someone else’s experiences of mental health / struggles just because you feel your one is more ‘severe’ or pressing. There is no comparison, because we don’t compare 💕

[@yeetusfeetus7877]

@@samu-chan It sounds like you’re the one who doesn’t know what it is. The severity and presentation varies greatly from person to person. Accept it and move on.

[@linDUHxiongg11]

I love Mai and her transparency. She’s so authentic and creative with her work. She deserves everything!!

[@lexvirgilio]

I love mai so much. Her energy is unmatched, she could literally upload anything and I will watch every second. She’s the best💯💯💯

[@samiajones8705]

Me too

[@femininityfaith7920]

I love this so much! I've been watching you ever since your Cassie video. I'm 29, mom of 4 and Mai is the only person I can honestly say I watch her every upload, and live vicariously through her. Seriously it's amazing. We definitely live two completely different lives but she's the type of person who could literally be anyone's friend!! KZbin wouldn't be the same without her. She makes it easy for us to feel her feelings! I'm a huge fan of her channel and wish her the very best in life!!

[@allyhenao4430]

33 year old female demographic here. 1st time viewer of this channel. I've been watching Mai since the Cassie video and really love her videos. I think Mai is wise beyond her years and has had many lessons in a short span of time. I find her relatable in living in the moment, day by day, unable to convey thoughts, and struggled with mental health. But seeing her try her best everyday inspires me to do the same. Thank you for interviewing her. I learn more about her and the both of you! W Graham!

[@ufoguy]

" The more content , the better' Hell yea! I totally 1000% agree on that . This girl is approaching youtube the right way! Having fun and not checking analytics, not overthinking on thumbnails and titles. Go girl!

[@jennyveetee]

i feel like she was so nervous throughout this interview but she's so incredible and confident about her life and success that it didn't even show!

[@amarir9924]

Mai's view of how to make videos is so much different than every other creator I've heard. Very in the moment, not overthinking about it or super worry about the specific details and analytics. Rlly crazy but it works great for her and ppl love her videos

[@nikhatmuskaan500]

The fact that Mai has been through soo much and yet puts it out in a funny way and yet tries they make us happy and entertained says that she deserves every single thing what she has and everything she yet to be have❤❤❤🌎ly sm mai

[@temujin1645]

She is one who choose thia life tho

[@catmerchant8699]

@@temujin1645? She didn’t choose her upbringing or her parents as a kid

[@keinacho0715]

She didn’t think we’d actually wanna hear the story of hers that’s not necessarily entertaining… we do, Mai, people could genuinely care about you, and love is unconditional❤

[@anamariae]

Wish this was so much longer, I loved every minute of it.

[@sandracrump]

God was really with this girl!! Her story is unique and very aspiring !!! She’s very blessed to have Been working on something and her talents to even make it in life!!

[@linglee1724]

Watching Mai these past years and watching her growth and her raw, realness, and just pure genuine gratitude for all she is and all she has is just so admirable. It makes me so happy that she's getting the recognition she deserves. Thank you for having her on and helping her reaching her goals beyond her imagination. Stay amazing Mai we love you for all you are. 💖

[@kelseylelei]

seeing mai where she is now makes me so happy she inspires me so much especially being a poc kid seeing her succeed puts such a big smile on my face

[@claudiakj]

i can tell mai was put on the spot bc we never knew the story of when she left home ❤️ thanks for sharing mai i also left home at a young age with a similar situation.

[@HH-kg4fq]

She posted a video on her own channel a few years ago.

[@Muhluri]

I didn’t expect her to have a team! She’s really good at keeping it relatable

[@yourbestfriendjoshua]

Her approach to content creation is so healthy and refreshing.

[@blahblahblahgill5221]

It’s crazy to think she’s 20 now. I still remebe being in highschool and watching one of her videos abojt how she was nervous about going back to school after dropping out for a year. I rember feeling how nervous she was and relating to it. It’s amazing to see just how far she has progressed since then 🎉

[@Rite0111]

LOLLL the way the joke flew over his head at 27:07 I didn’t know Mias true reason for moving out till now but I’m glad she shared it with us. When I started actively watching her videos, I was wondering why I was so tuned into someone doing their daily tasks, but I realized it’s her personality that keeps you hooked. The way she treats her KZbin community like her closest friends is my favorite part. ALSO MIA start a podcast plzzzz my daily mta commutes are so dreadful and it would make it so much more entertaining.

[@jaciw]

I think she might be planning to. She mentioned a possible "podcast room" in her new house tour

[@cassthompson3386]

What exactly was the joke you are referring to? 🤔 All she said is "I'm definitely not the first one to be living alone".

[@anovi1031]

@@cassthompson3386 well yeah but that was a joke

[@biancaalina9024]

I love how encouraging they are to mai

[@Marina-gs7gn]

omg YES

[@aymiichuu1939]

I love mai so much, she’s always kept me entertained and I’ve always felt genuine feeling from her. Her personality and way of being natural on camera is definitely why KZbin loves her ✨❤❤

[@sandracrump]

She’s so inspiring she took a negative and made it a positive and her life is so abundant and amazing!!!❤

[@julia_b11.14]

this was real fun to watch! mai always helps me with her videos on my worst days, and this podcast made it even better now. i love her personality and viewpoint on her being in the present, rather than worrying about the future. been working towards that goal myself tbh, and this was just real fun to watch! i had a great time listening to her! would love to listen to her podcast when she starts

[@anniehrenchir2158]

I literally found Mai Pham from your reaction video and now I watch her every day. And now my 2 favorite youtubers are podcasting together 🤯

[@the1ceman]

The smile on Jacks face says he's interested 😆

[@foodeater8600]

this

[@anovi1031]

yess

[@lowpolar]

She seems so genuine. She’s Awesome

[@taylorlurati6034]

She’s built for this career!! It’s going to be so cool to see what she does in her life. She’s still so young.

[@alexandraclarke3124]

I love Mai so so much. So honest and real. She deserves all the good energy that comes her way

[@alexandraclarke3124]

Loved her until she said about her demographic. I am 29 in 2 weeks. Don't hurt me :(

[@msvyla]

I’ve been watching Mai for years, I always look forward to her videos and her vibrant personality! Definitely loving the energy in this podcast💗

[@kjn-v1m]

Was genuinely so curious more about Mai! Listened to this whole thing while I’m doing work and it did sound and feel like a podcast. Love that I can see everyone’s face too!

[@theeotakufam6825]

Ayyyyyyeee! We love her! Girl please stop down playing yourself. Please, you are awesome, talented and relatable. You are so good in every way. You are not boring! start that podcast!

[@allianne]

I’m one of the new kids that joined mai phams phamily back during when covid started, I first saw the topic about mai pham moving out at 15 bc of her situations at home and it reminds me of how i always and continue to feel trap at home living with my asian parents, who ofc love me very dearly, but I do often feel isolated and insecure because of their overprotectiveness (to cut it short a typical asian family) I honestly always felt like I was trapped, and when I think about how mai pham at 15 knew she can escape she can leave and be free, I realized I don’t have to stay and be trapped for the rest of my life and basically Mai you have given me direction (sorry for the ramble and if what i said was confusing if anyone’s reading this)

[@carlosgonzaga9304]

JACK..BRO...THATS YOUR GIRL BRO GO FOR IT...GO...GO...

[@lclark3279]

That’s exactly what I said too 😂😂

[@flamingo5961]

I am still so curious about her income, portfolio spread in depth and spending tho. I’m glad she is on the podcast 🎉

[@DM-pv8qf]

agreed. dont feel like this interview added any value to what we already know/see on her channel

[@alisalaska1786]

Exactly. She clearly spends money left and right. It’s doubtful she’s investing snd saving what she should be. Nothing lasts forever.

[@anovi1031]

I am sure she invests her money

[@wildwheelsdarin]

She didn't even know how much her videos were making... lol

[@zo4320]

i love how this motivated her to actually make a why i moved out at 15 video!

[@Marina-gs7gn]

YESYESYES

[@DrippyTalkz]

"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.” -Walt Disney

[@band_bea3756]

i love her sm , and i never knew abt her background story in such detail... she's my role model

[@Leaschronicle]

im 30+ and i live mia's video as she is so real and I am in the Caribbean and when I feel down I watch her videos to feel motivated and happier love you girl

[@cooltrucly]

it's funny to watch graham be so mindblown by how mai is making videos out of the fun for it and not thinking about the money

[@writesbyshadi9689]

Mai Pham is iconic, I would totally watch her podcast!!!!

[@bribri5735]

Loved this collab , Mai you should start a podcast!

[@nocrmzz]

I dont like that they’re so focused on finances like she already said that it doesn’t matters for her and that she is doing it because loves it but yeah shes amazing🤩🤩

[@mashnoonislam1126]

For some reason, I think this is the girl we need for Jack.

[@Pantera972]

No, Jack is too soft and feminine.

[@mashnoonislam1126]

@@Pantera972 I think that is why Jack needs her 😅 Opposites complete each other

[@amde8554]

@@mashnoonislam1126 I agree with you

[@Rosicrisp]

Most modern day girls can easily pick up on jack he’s too soft if he were to get married right now he’d get heart broken and financially rekd quick. He seems to want an old school type girl which in recent years has turned into a unicorn. The only thing that helps him is his current public status. My advice to jack: keep grinding focus on your growth be nonchalant with dates and when you find a decent girl put SOME energy into it and later on when getting engaged set boundaries and let her know she’s the one BUT she’ll be submissive in the relationship and you’ll be the man of the house even if it’s her house 😂 ❌Happy wife happy life ❌ ✅a happy man a happy relationship✅

[@isabella6075]

@@Rosicrisp Weirdo

[@karivettec9835]

I have so much more respect for you Graham, helping Mai get a place with no credit score! Just wow 💛 nice to see folks helping eachother. It felt like I got to know you three a bit more! Loved this 🤩 Im definitely team Graham, gotta do it myself, dont trust anyone to get it done better than me haha

[@hayliebaker]

i just live mai her vibe is one of a kind and i love how she’s more comfortable with a camera then real person cuz it’s so hard for me to be around people but over the phone it’s way better and i love it she’s so nice and sweet but i love she can stand up for herself if she needs and i love how she doesn’t think of us as a job or eyes and i love how so self aware she is like things she likes or needs to do to help herself or even just person goals and i love how private she is but wants to share about herself

[@alyssabeanz02]

I love this, my two favorite KZbinrs collabing!

[@TheIcedCoffeeHour]

Enjoy!

[@seah1422]

Never stop doing your KZbin videos mai!!!!

[@karinabrandon2541]

W Graham. Amazing podcast 👏 Mai, We love you and are so proud of youuuu 🥰❤

[@christineee444]

W graham!! Love that mai came on this podcast 🫶🏼

[@BethanyFee]

I appreciate she doesn’t embrace the victim mentality She is taking charge and doesn’t want to be pitied

[@HDBnB1]

Would love to see a raw uncut version! Feels like there are some parts that are cut out of these podcasts

[@dietcokeluvr101]

massively proud of her

[@thatgirlshaz]

Lmao her dog was just chillin the whole episode 😂

[@angelinamartinez2095]

Love watching her grow every year

[@gabyleon9241]

I freaking love Mai! She is so inspiring and a huge girl boss!

[@angelface333]

graham being a taurus and having to be strategic and calculated about his videos while having a finance channel, and mai being a youtuber who just vlogs her life, being funny and making the best videos when she’s happy w/ out having to think about it (sagittarius) is really astrology at work 😭

[@theylovemyaesthetic]

Wtf does that even mean

[@belenvalenzuela2281]

This literally makes no sense 💀

[@elisazouza]

@@belenvalenzuela2281because you’re not into astrology 😊

[@classyme7533]

So you’re one of those people…

[@cassthompson3386]

I'm not into zodiac signs myself, but there is absolutely no reason to shit on someone else for being into something that I'm not. Grow up yall.

[@zanibz7994]

Been a Mai sub for a while now - her energy is amazing!

[@BronwynAlexandriaa]

She actually reminds me of Emma Chamberlain. Both business women without even really trying. Love it.

[@chastidymann4370]

Keep going Mai Pham! Congratulations 🎉

[@HH-kg4fq]

Graham has sooo much administration and respect for her.❤

[@roselynbrito1317]

Happy that she shared the struggles of having immigrant strict parents!!

[@fairy7101]

Me too

[@crazykat-y2k]

she seems so pretty here and u can rly find out more ab her personality which i rly like cuz when u watch her videos it seems so rushed and not finding out much ab her personality, like it!

[@morganstubie]

She’s so content, together, and appreciative of living in the present. I was pleasantly surprised by this interview. I just thought she was a young, naive gal. I’m wrong🤷🏼‍♀️

[@abec8211]

Why was Graham so Sus in this video? “Get the tea”. “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours” 😂

[@martinastojkoska3966]

LOVEE YOU BOTH this video is my favorite!!! mai talks soo good and the questions graham askes AHHH AMAZING

[@iluvjustinbieber5908]

No fr W Graham !!! I loved this podcast bc Mai was comfortable in being herself, thanks to y’all for having her on

[@debbieborrie4322]

She's so young and successful truly inspiring

[@cris_here]

Finding out her success is the product of trauma makes me kind of sad. Wish the best for her

[@cris_here]

@@Bibblesupremacy1992 which is what I said

[@BlackKaren6]

I feel like there is something deeper going on with her dad that we don't know about, it's none of our business but that's why she may have been a little awkward about the Childhood stuff

[@thisisamy0609]

Well said Mai about being happy and just doing videos and not being overly concerned about analytics. I totally agree👍

[@wildwheelsdarin]

yes and no... but hopefully someone on her team pays attention to that! Good job on your channel fellow Ontarian!

[@Ninthhouse]

W Graham! Love Mai’s dog, so cute.

[@theanthonyrrmillsshow3876]

Thanks Graham and Jack for another very interesting episode of your show. I probably have heard of your guest but obviously I'm not the demographics and most likely would not watch much of anything that she posts, but I love hearing from her because I believe that she has a lot that people can learn from. Even without much planning at least from the impression that she gives, she has achieved a tremendous amount in life so far and it's probably accomplished more in her short life than most people have in 50 years. And thank you to you too for the show this is my absolute favorite series on KZbin and as I've said in other comments I really would love to see a midweek chat with the two of you and Alex, just sitting around talking for 20 or 30 minutes, or more, about business and life and other things. And not a show where you guys are trying to be funny although it's OK to joke around, but talking about the behind the scenes aspect of being a KZbinr in the financial space as well as everything else you guys do including Alex and Jack, even if you don't do it on a regular basis and even if it's kind of niche, I really encourage you to resume doing that if you're able to. I have to say that Graham is really the one who inspired me to start my own channel which has blown up recently when I've semi-transitioned from stock investing videos to DB Cooper and other unsolved mysteries, in the last couple weeks I've gotten close to the magic 4000 viewed our mark and still have a ways to go to achieving 1000 subscribers but even my subscriber count has started taking off lately. Thanks again so much Graham!

[@destinyright6030]

Long time fan of Mai, proud of you girl. W Graham

[@SavaNedev]

Podcast advice: Please introduce timestamps Graham!

[@gyoraoados]

The way Jack looks at her...

[@fabiolagraceffa9261]

Not Sterling peeking from under the table 🥺🥺💛

[@samantha_hdez]

I loove MAI! And after listening to this… much respect !! she is sooooo her and that’s why we love her content

[@thebushnellfamilyvlogs]

Another great podcast y’all!

[@emmaleigh8563]

I watch her all the time i love her!

[@honesttogod_]

I think Mai’s videos do so well because of returning viewers. If let’s say she does have 2 bad vids in a row, her fanbase is loyal and in a way formed a relationship with her just like how she feels about them

[@maddyrox89]

i totally understand the stuff she said about not being allowed outside, im a product of asian tiger parents too, you were just expected to be in your room studying or reading books or hanging with family not friends.

[@nikiriot]

She is super smart!! very wise and young....I wish all the best for her

[@FreeComputerTutor]

Graham and Jack, are you still Lords in Scotland?

[@coquettebunniex]

They are so respectful towards her such sweet boys

[@solitarydiaries7273]

Jack stares Mai with admiration 😍🥰 It's kind of different.

[@ashliahgarcia]

WE NEED MORE OF MAI!!!!

[@Calm02]

This doesn’t sound like graham vs Mai this sounds like the difference between 2 generations. Especially the part we’re they talk about whether they have strategy for KZbin videos or not

[@EmilyLava]

i remember watching her volleyball videos!! I love that i got to see her journey and her literally thriving!!