Meeting Dorian (Templar version) | Dragon Age: Inquisition

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[@mayamellissa]

Dorian. The man knows how to make an entrance.

[@rwolfheart6580]

I feel like the whole Haven sequence was written with Cole in mind. It's a badass entrance, but it's kinda funny to see Dorian be so quick to help Chancellor Roderick. Also, to picture him running through the mountains trying to get to Haven before the army in that outfit. I imagine Cole just kinda... Teleports?

[@Sylaise]

Dorian, the entire time: First, camping! Camping! Oh, and not just anywhere but in Ferelden of all places! The outdoors, with all this humidity and cold and snow and bugs- simply barbaric! And now I'm running and falling flat on my ass in snow so I can warn these people about The Elder One and his entourage of furious fiery mages. Oh, and did I forget to mention the Venatori? How delightful! (Falls again) Vishante Kaffas! Enemies: .. Do we... wait for him to finish or... do we... put him out of his misery? Enemies: Mnm... no no, let him live, he's amusing.

[@dixienormus2802]

0:14 I personally feel the fireballs here give away that it was made with Dorian initially, and edited for Cole if you picked mages. There's also when you close the breach and if you side with the mages, they awkwardly stab the ground with their staffs on the orb side, making sword sound effects.

[@spacejesus6581]

@@dixienormus2802 while the flashes could be fireballs, they can also be the Red Templar spells

[@bradtorville5526]

@@dixienormus2802 They don't stab the ground with their staves (pl) on the orb side. It's on the blade side, which would explain the metal sound effects.

[@sailtheplains]

"Not only handsome or well-dressed." "I look good in rope." I bet you do.

[@radical9799]

And 6 silk scarfs

[@evasmiljanic3529]

Why the fuck is he wearing sleeveless shirts in snow My grandma would have a heart attack

[@bradtorville5526]

And later on, he asks Iron Bull why the Qunari don't wear armor instead of running around bare chested. Gotta love that double standard he's got going there. "Mountains. Cold. 'Let's bring Dorian!'"

[@ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou]

"Listen ,I know we're getting attacked and we might end up dead,But I just wanted to let you know that you're hot"

[@willowstar157]

“For a Templar you think like a blood mage” I will ALWAYS wish they let Cullen reply to this, gd

[@Kakuwaomoshire]

7.24: Dorian: I look good in ropes. Iron Bull greatly approves !

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

I remember seeing "The Elder One" the first time and being like THE FUCK IS HE ALIVE ?

[@sushiseru]

***** Well, it is mentioned that the other magisters do live. Of the 7 magisters for each of the Old Gods, three were mentioned to exist together, until they fought: one ate the other and the other ran away. This is a codex entry in Inquisition. He is dead. That leaves 6 magisters. One is Cory. Dumat was the first archdemon, with a Blight that lasted 200 years and is considered the most powerful, likely b/c he came first. That leaves 5 magisters. The Architect is widely believed to be a magister. Like Cory, his hat is a part of his head. He can't remove it. That leaves potentially 4 magisters. There are two sleeping dragons, so perhaps two of the magisters are out there looking for their dragons? And we have two/three unaccounted for :( Cory definitely should not have been recycled, but what are you going do. Like ME2's DLC Arrival, we were getting acquainted with our enemy.

[@sushiseru]

***** "his underlings failed him" ? No... they didn't. If you played Leviathan, you realize this is a program. It was going to happen regardless. Cory is hardly incompetent. The Inquisition was just that good.

[@sushiseru]

***** His ritual was interrupted by the Inquisitor. His army was lost at Haven, due to the Inquisitor. His demon army was lost due to the Inquisitor. In Orlais, his assassin fails or succeeds due to the Inquisitor. He fails to take the Well of Sorrows due to the Inquisitor. Do you see where I am going with this? The Reapers "failed" due to the intervention of Shepard. I can keep going -_-

[@Tetricus57]

***** Except Cory does win without the Inquisitor. That was the entire plotline when you sided with the mages. The Inquisitor is sent forward in time by only one year, and Corypheus controlled Thedas. The Inquisitor was the only thing holding Corypheus back.

[@Tetricus57]

***** Except Cory constantly fails because of one person - The Inquisitor. While the Reapers were certainly more competent than Corypheus, it's wrong to call him incompetent. If anything, just unfortunate.. He's the cliche villain who threatens the world with the cliche hero that stops all of that villain's plots. When that villain is only held back by the hero, then how is he incompetent? Everything Corypheus did would have worked if not for the Inquisitor. Also, the Inquisitor dying is not an official story, but siding with the mages is. It's wrong to dismiss it just because it was prevented from happening. The Inquisitor was still sent through time by only one year, and in that future Thedas was under control of Corypheus. I'm not saying Corpyheus isn't a bad villain. I'm merely saying that he could have ruled the world, if not for the Inquisitor.

[@mfraye12]

I usually do the mage quest instead, but I do think Dorian's entrance here makes more sense than Cole just showing up out of the blue here. I really enjoy the templar quest, but it always feels like the game makes it the asshole choice to choose to side with the templars. They don't really explain that the templars are in as much trouble as they are until you've already chosen the templar quest. All you see is the Lord Seeker "acting weird", even Cassandra's weirded out a bit but not that alarmed.

[@user-yk9kh3xu5s]

I felt they've kinda went a lazy route with mages' quest for that very reason. The moment you get to the "Tevinter Magister" part, the intrigue is gone, you don't even need Dorian explain it is worse than you think to know he is an asshole. Wish it was more subtle... and I mean "Lord Seeker" overacts too, but you do feel like the initial premise of their quest is exactly what the player thinks it is, only to turn south later.

[@abcdefghij337]

I remember approaching the Lord Seeker and walked away thinking “Wow what a dick. I’m not asking for his help.”

[@bradtorville5526]

She's alarmed plenty by the disappearance of her former fellow Seekers, which she was a part of before helping to form the Inquisition. And Lucius was the head of the Seekers. Honestly, if you just go to Redcliffe and only speak with Fiona at the tavern but ignore the warning/note from Felix/Dorian because you believe it to be a trap, choosing the Templars makes much more sense as you'd be following up on a definite lead with a really bizarre Lord Seeker and some genuine concern from Barris who tips you off that they're at Therinfal Redoubt. There are lots of things that are missable in Redcliffe. You can miss speaking with Connor, if he survived you DAO playthrough. And you can speak with several mages who voice their concerns over this new alliance with Tevinter. They just might convince you to go ahead and meet Dorian and Felix at the Chantry. But if you miss speaking with these people, doing Champions of the Just flows more easily and can be a more interesting quest in that you need to keep going back to the main hall in order to help fight the demons streaming in there or you'll risk losing Barris altogether. If alive and well at the end of Champions, he can be given several War Table Operations that can lead to his promotion to Knight-Commander of the Templars, if they are brought in as allies following the quest. Cole's appearance during the quest provides a lot of assistance and turning up afterward in the War Room is fitting as he'd tag along with the Templars traveling to Haven. His appearance in Haven if you side with the Mages still works quite well since he's been with the Templars, knew of the Envy Demon's plan to copy you and since that plan had been thwarted, he knew he had to head to Haven and warn you of what could have happened since you didn't help rescue the Templars and went for the Mages instead. So he really didn't just show up out of the blue. Both he and Dorian knew how important both groups were to the Inquisition and both had their own motivations in trying to secure the Herald's and Inquisition's help.

[@sailtheplains]

Hahaha, you know Dorian is secretly like: Oh yes, Cullen, catch me again~! You know, it's kind of interesting how Cullen interacts with a male Herald versus a female Herald.

[@XRL331]

+sailtheplains what are the differences? he gets even MORE awkward around male herald?

[@jbabylucus1641]

where's cole? I normally meet him during that event

[@sanablue]

That depends on the choice you had before. If you chose the mages you will meet Dorian way earlier in Redcliffe and he will already be part of your inquisition. If you chose the templars you will meet Cole earlier (I did not play that way myself yet) in the place where you have to go instead of Redcliffe. But be warned, if you chose the templars and meet Dorian later (as it is in the video) it will be quite a bit harder to romance/befriend him. If you wanna know more, I can recommend the dragon age wiki. :)

[@emmastone8068]

sanablue1 i chose the Templars, so how long does it take to romance Dorian ? :(((

[@idrisredacted1229]

@@emmastone8068 About the same amount of time, since all the actual romance happens after the fall of Haven anyway.

[@alexwalker3824]

(slight spoilers) While I always do the mage and like the time travel quest line, I prefer this entrance of Dorian's. I wish you could get Alexius in this one; if you could, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[@sophienah4654]

I really like the templar mission because you have cole with you and the whole thing is just really cool. imo amyway.

[@sanablue]

Yeah totally! But I also really like his first appearence in Redcliffe. Okay, basically I like everything about Dorian so it's hard to decide which way is better :D

[@moody_mayhem_]

Yeah, I had never seen his alternate entrance until now because I always choose to make an alliance with the mages. I really love this entrance, and I’m still considering it, because there’s a side to him here to don’t really get to see otherwise, but ... idk. I feel like I miss out on a lot not getting his main story. I don’t like the Templar method as much either lol.

[@HairyNippy]

​@@moody_mayhem_ so, I love the time travel shenanigans in Redcliffe and the extra time you get with him too, but let me try to convince you to try this out, at least once. I reluctantly chose the templars in my last playthrough and honestly? I prefer it ten times over the mages now. Not only is Calpernia a more compelling antagonist than Samson, Dorian's connection with Tevinter and the Venatori as the main antagonists is much deeper and makes a lot of sense as a set-up for his decision to return to his homeland in the end so he can help change it. I felt as if he was more invested in the fight to close the breach because his countrymen were in the way, and that was, in a way, hard for him to accept. I don't get the same feeling from Cole, bless him, because he's a spirit-turned-teenager who has one templar friend who isn't even a templar anymore. Varric and Cassandra are much more invested in the templars than Cole, so he ends up staying on the sidelines, kind of out of place. By doing his quest, you get to understand and connect with Cole better. I ended up romancing Dorian and liking it more with my Dalish warrior (who was just thinking more swords could help close the breach better than over a few dozen mages and that Alexius looks like he could be setting up a trap so let's not go to that chantry anyways) than my mage Trevelyan who was all in for mages since the start. I really liked the conflict and the perspective a templar playthrough grants you because Dorian ends up being a better link between the antagonists and the Inquisition than Cole. You miss out on Fiona tho, that's sad for Alistair bby. :(

[@flabbergasted6231]

Yeah, I didn't realize you could get Dorian on your team when siding with the Templars but I wouldn't want to anyways since that means Alexius dies. I prefer to have Alexius work for the mages.

[@Emile.gorgonZola]

Dorian is fucking attractive

[@scritchersan]

...did he point as though they'd be able to see the details of peoples figures that far away?

[@bradtorville5526]

The one bit I absolutely love is when you side with the mages and Cullen looks up and can recognize Samson from that distance. Seriously? I wish I have that kind of vision! It's fine for Cole to know Calpernia leads the Venatori and would be standing with the Elder One. It's also fine that Dorian might have overheard the same about Samson but for Cullen to look out and be able to tell it was actually Samson -- DAMN!

[@alecdeter1999]

Dorian is such a good noodle

[@soniceye22]

when i saw dorian he reminded me of dr strange

[@spiderz5145]

Saaame... also kinda reminds me of Richtofin from CoD Zombies (sorry I know I probably spelled that wrong).

[@PichDextro]

I never saw that scene since I'm always going for the mages but it's a fucking shame I missed 0:18 with that. Why is he funny with everything he does?

[@bradtorville5526]

How he manages to knock on the gate from that distance is impressive as hell.

[@PichDextro]

@@bradtorville5526 He didn't knock, he used an AoE spell and the force of that knocked the gate back a bit.

[@JadeRaven0588]

Thank you for uploading this. I was wondering if this part of the game switched depending on who you sided with.

[@kirikakirikakirika]

Holy shit your Inquisitor is handsome. Can you upload the sliders for him, please?

[@tirdaelynbieshahn3898]

Thanks for sharing this. I have to admit to wondering what would have happened had I not sided with the mages.

[@Pfisiar22]

What's this about Corypheus never winning? He drove the inquisition from their headquarters, he either enslaves the Templars or the Mages, His followers succeed by proxy in negating an alliance between the INquisition and the Qunari if you let the chargers win. Corypheus doesn't succeed in his long-term goals, but he still presents a hell of a threat. And don't forget it was Corypheus and his followers who ignited the Templar/Mage rebellion in the first place with the abuse of red lyrium.

[@user-yk9kh3xu5s]

If memory serves, the rebellion started only when it became public knowledge Tranquility is reversable, not even Anders' stunt yeilded much in that regard.

[@bradtorville5526]

To be honest, Varric and his brother (and Bianca) did more to start the whole damn thing off where the red lyrium was concerned than anyone else. It is possible to win several battles and still lose the war. That's the scenario we have here. Yes, Corypheus successfully attacked Haven but the Herald is the one who actually destroyed it, not the dragon. That was done to spite him and give an opportunity for the survivors to escape. Corypheus went there to retrieve the anchor from the Herald which he failed to do. He then wanted to kill the Herlad, which he again failed to do thanks to the avalanche the Herald triggered. He loses either the mages or the templars but is unable to proceed any further thanks to the actions taken by the Inquisition. If they sided with the mages, they have the Red Templars to contend with but Corypheus' next plan was to assassinate the empress of Orlais and invade with a massive demon army. The assault on Adamant resolved the Grey Warden issue and the demon army, removing both from Corypheus' control. And the Inquisitor's actions at the Winter Palace secured a stable ruler for Orlais and thwarted Corypheus' plans there too. The only step left was the Temple of Mythal and the Well of Sorrows. Either Samson or Calpernia were to act as the "Vessel" for the Well's power and that also was taken from his grasp. That's a lot of losses, not to mention dealing with the Red Templar red lyrium cargo routes in the Emerald Graves, the mine at Sahrnia in Emprise du Lion and Samson's armor at the Shrine of Dumat. For Calpernia's side, investigating her dealings with the slave merchant and former slaves she had bought and freed led to information regarding the Shrine of Dumat and what Corypheus was keeping secret from her. Going there revealed his plan to bind and control Calpernia once she drank from the Well of Sorrows. Loss after loss after loss.

[@Seethwin]

very cool! thanks for uploading!

[@jcksparrowfan]

i always start them age storyline, so when he arrives like that, my inquisitor already knows him xD

[@sanablue]

Well, not really. He does not arrive that way if you chose the mage storyline. He will already be there and instead of Dorian you will meet Cole, saying almost the same things. (in his funny way, though)

[@lokaler_Albino]

Kinda late, but if you start the mage storyline (as in talk to Fiona in Redcliffe) you can meet Dorian before this but still choose the Templars.

[@caladran]

May ask your recording settings? The quality is great!

[@jacquesforet3156]

It’s so bizarre seeing it this way…

[@jacobdarling1524]

As an American I relate way too much with how Dorian feels about his homeland

[@Wizard-ri5zk]

Might u try out putting a Dating of Dorian with a dwarf elf or qunari templar?

[@IceQueenofMitera]

Your Inquisitor reminds me of Ioan Grufford (I think that's spelled right)

[@spalenzagabriel]

Then you have to make Alistair a full orphan... that’s why I don’t choose templars

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

Hey I just realized something. If we refer to a group of mages as "mages," why do we call the circles the Circles of Magi?

[@cryptidtwink7952]

Magi meaning "of magic". It's not referring to mages themselves but the general use of magic.

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

So it'd be "the circle of of magic?" That makes even less sense!

[@cryptidtwink7952]

@@magicrainbowkitties1023 no. Magi just means it involves magic. People that use magic. It's the Circle of Magic Users.

[@loptrjotun7662]

Does someone knows what happens when you go and meet Dorian in Redcliff (When we meet Felix and Alexius) but then side with Templars? I know we can do it because i have seen it but i no longer have the game so i will like to knoooow

[@user-yk9kh3xu5s]

Pretty much the same that happens here, he'll just do a "nice to see you again"-esque line instead of introducing himself.

[@BadgerPride89]

what they said. you get all the venatori details over in the redcliffe chantry rather than at skyhold. and it comes with free guilt over dorian having warned you of the danger but you instead went with the templars XD

[@bradtorville5526]

Plus Dorian is a bit more pissed that you did meet him, Felix and Alexius and still chose to side with the Templars instead. Mainly because it meant Felix and Alexius would be killed.

[@emmastone8068]

In which quest do you meet Dorian ?

[@ianchapman6254]

You meet Dorian if you go to Red Cliff to set up the Mage Quest. If you do that and do the Templar Quest anyway, Dorian is a *lot* less friendly.

[@bradtorville5526]

@@ianchapman6254 Yeah but only for about five minutes. He's easy to get please and become friends with.

[@SpidersFace]

m m mmmmmmmmm sorry but i thoroughly enjoy his magesided!Introduction more

[@DeviousKitten27]

Maybe it's because your playing a guy.. and I always play as a chick unless Dorian romance... but the Cullen dialogue is stuff I've never heard him say...

[@radical9799]

He only showed up fighting demons for me how do you trigger this?

[@BadgerPride89]

probably super late but basically you have to choose to do the templar quest, not the mage quest. you can actually meet him in redcliffe before you officially sign on to the mage or templar quest but it doesn't change anything about the entrance here.

[@radical9799]

@@BadgerPride89 thx

[@ofulero46]

@@BadgerPride89 Im passed the Empress quests and I never met Dorian, when do I get him?

[@BadgerPride89]

@@ofulero46 whew, boy, okay, you should have met dorian by the time you get to skyhold. he's either your companion for in hushed whispers (recruiting the mages mission) or he shows up at haven when corypheus attacks as the video shows (recruiting the templars path). if you chose the templar mission, dorian should have spawned up in the skyhold library above solas' rotunda (it's the floor between leliana and solas where the creature table is) where you can officially recruit or reject him.

[@ofulero46]

@@BadgerPride89 just found him reading a book! Thx man

[@alexc119]

So when do you meet Cole then?

[@cleon24769]

During the quest when you meet up with the Templars. I don't want to spoil too much, so I'll just leave it at: Cole helps you out.

[@alexc119]

Sweet, thanks! :)

[@sanablue]

I think it's basically just the other way round. Mages: first Dorian and then Cole. Templars: first Cole and then Dorian. (I know, late. ^^)

[@ethren3344]

Wait. If you're meeting Dorian by teh gates, doesn't that mean you should be fighting the Red Lyrium Templar, not the Venatori?

[@bradtorville5526]

To have Dorian at the gates, it means you chose the Templars over the Mages. Otherwise, it would be Cole at the gates. So, Red Templars if you sided with the mages and the Venatori if you sided with the Templars.

[@windwardbirds6741]

The Templar path in Inquisition is better than the mage one in pretty much every way. Better quest that doesn't involve nonsensical time travel, better introduction for Cole, better introduction for Dorian, Calpernia is a better antagonist than Samson, Barris is a better ally than Fiona, and the Templars don't whine for every little choice you make.

[@BH-fr7hq]

Windward Birds I personally liked the time travel and samson.

[@kiel127]

same, seeing your companions in the dystopia future is really interesting, as well as fiona (if you know who she really is). i think it's also a better way of having known of the elder one's plans (darkspawn demon army and the assassination). plus, cullen's story ties up better if he faced against samson (idk if you can encounter samson in the templar run).

[@josereyes7224]

I like the mage version better

[@cassidyramoschavez6189]

Same, I LOVE the Templars quest. Just with the introduction of Cole and getting Ser Barris makes it so much better. And yes, Calpernia is more interesting than Samson, ugh, I really love Champions of the Just dammit.

[@victoriasharpe1661]

Definitely agree. The whole cole introduction in that route was solid and made more sense for you to allow him to stay, as you had a personal experience that he didn't mean harm. The fact that he could have easily possessed you or whatever, but chose to help instead. And the envy demon trying to take your face was an 'on the edge of your seat' situation. Quite terrifying. And they did the fade so well in this one. In the older games I hated it because it was tedious, but this game made me want to remain in it a bit longer. Really well done

[@lendial]

He looks like castiel :S

[@OroborusFMA]

Couldn't stand him. Never used him in my party.

[@NickyvonHungary]

Neither did I. I'd became friends with him and I almost cried when he gave me the crystal in Trespasser, but he wasn't really an interesting character.