Megachurch Pastor Robert Morris Admits to Abuse of a Minor, She was 12!!!

[@blaiseforet2]

UPDATE FROM ELDERS OF GATEWAY 3pm EST: SOUTHLAKE, Texas, June 18, 2024 - Today, June 18, the Board of Elders of Gateway Church accepted the resignation of Robert Morris, the senior pastor. In addition, the Board has retained the law firm of Haynes & Boone, LLP, to conduct an independent, thorough, and professional review of the report of past abuse to ensure we have a complete understanding of the events from 1982-1987. Regretfully, prior to Friday, June 14, the elders did not have all the facts of the inappropriate relationship between Morris and the victim, including her age at the time and the length of the abuse. The elders" prior undersianding was that Morris's extramarital relationship, which he had discussed many times throughout his ministry, was with "a young lady" and not abuse of a 12-year-old child. Even though it occurred many years before Gateway was established, as leaders of the church, we regret that we did not have the information that we now have. We are heartbroken and appalled by what has come to light over the past few days, and we express our deep sympathy to the victim and her family. For the sake of the victim, we are thankful this situation has been exposed. We know many have been affected by this, we understand that you are hurting, and we are very sorry. It is our prayer that, in time, healing for all those affected can occur.

[@suemeself6995]

I thought this statement was from the church he was overseeing in Alabama, and not gateway church.

[@fondamclain4727]

So true. The writing is on the wall!

[@fondamclain4727]

Yes God is exposing!!

[@fondamclain4727]

Thank you both for being real and talking about these horrible things that have been done by big shots. THANK YOU!!!!

[@deborahvarneyduboise6776]

You know there is something that is heavy on my heart, not over looking what has happened. In fact it’s just so much worse because I have personal experience in S.Abuse, and their is one thing about abuse with this type of behavior and age timing, Means if he didn’t do this again then it would be a miracle like no other. But what I’m trying to say is I think there is something wrong and different with this case, I think that he may very well take his life..He has been hit with the worst crime in the church and he knows that the church will fade a lot because having the confidence in him will hit them hard enough that they won’t be able to stay at the church.. And people will second guess themselves and wonder why they didn’t feel something is wrong and a lot of folks; this will destroy their faith and he knows it and I just feel he may very well un- alive himself.. 😢not for him, just the whole situation at Large.. 😔

[@holdontohope7286]

I have to add a 21 yr old is not attracted to a 12 yr old unless they are psychologically twisted no amount of accountability was going to help that.

[@dachater1]

Exactly. It’s sick

[@glorialovesChrist]

Yes. And he was 27

[@MB-sg8dx]

@@glorialovesChrist I believe it started when he was 21, and he was outed to her dad when he was 25… (in any case it’s 100% horrible)

[@godsstruggler8783]

Spiritually twisted, more like. Call it what it is - demonic.

[@bradorchard5828]

And didn't I hear that he tried to play the "Jezebel Spirit" card? That she beguiled him, or something?!?! SERIOUSLY?!?! It also made me sad when I heard that a former pastor of mine, who used to work at Gateway Church, was ALSO fired several years ago for some kind of sexual sin 😞

[@kimmbr22]

As I stated on another site - So why is it ok to give the abuser counseling and “restoration” and not the abused? This is what happens every time. Slaughter the sheep. And keep the Wolf. That’s what always happens. This man should be in jail. Instead, injustice is done and the criminal pastor goes free while the victim is left in pieces. Many don’t get to walk so freely in their gifts but the pastor does. When will we, the body of Christ, get it? 😢 These elders should step down too! They are just as guilty covering up a crime.

[@sherylturnerturner1352]

Seeing the Big Boys Club in operation, disgusting really.

[@Cwood79]

You are correct. where is grace for the victim?

[@karenduckett5288]

So true!!

[@asmith1230]

Probably the elders in the 1980s are not the same elders now. Most likely they aren't even alive and have had to already face the Judge on these matters. God help us all!

[@KelliHilario]

@@asmith1230nope. They’re alive.

[@CM-zb5ed]

Thanks for speaking out. I feel really sickened by all of this. Defund it folks. And shut it all down; please shut it down. All of the leadership and any associated who knew or who covered this up needs to be removed.

[@anon1687]

What really gets me is that I was in a church related to Gateway and this kind of thing was going on. Pastors were having affairs with their secretaries, worship leaders were having affairs, etc. But I was told I was in sin, had no faith, and was demonized because I had a chronic health issue. I was having an hour a day quiet time and asking God to reveal anything in me and I was told by someone who admitted he didn’t spend 5 minutes in prayer that I was in sin. This is spiritual abuse. I’m doing much better outside the church. My faith is in God, not men.

[@BoldTruthTeller]

I was on staff with Robert at SGC during the 80’s. I will be doing a podcast in a few weeks on my personal experience with Robert. He and I butted heads the whole entire time he and I were on staff together. Robert was not out of ministry for 2 years…that is false.

[@HushHush-xt7so]

​@Isaiah30v21 Morris and Bickle were far too young to be pastors. Bickle was about 20 or 21, something ridiculous like that. No bible college degree, either. Mentally weak and spiritually corrupt. Bickle in turn asked Bob Hartley to be his youth pastor at his new KC church when Hartley had only been saved for c. 3 years, and also had no bible college degree. There were some really immature and corrupt people in leadership in the 1980s.

[@davidmoore4769]

Has the ministry itself become a god where it should be protected at all costs?

[@john4226]

I think the reason this happens so often is that newly saved people are put into positions of authority way before they are spiritually mature enough to handle the job. 1 Tim 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil." It seems like a fitting verse to me.

[@deirdrehelms5958]

Did u no have anything to do with decisions after it was exposed back then OR when she tried to sue for help with Therapy $bills Morris talks about his counseling (gag) but she was denied help

[@yashuais9962]

I believe so...I live in CA, my Church is *Church International* warrior Alabama. Prophet, pastor, teacher, apostle, Holy Spirit are alive and well!​@@davidmoore4769

[@laraderksen4297]

I find it absolutely infuriating that a man with a net worth of 117 million dollars is unwilling to pay for his child abuse victim’s years of counselling. Instead a pitiful offering of 25k hush money is offered and he tries to convince her to sign an NDA so he can rob her of her voice on top of everything else. Then I have to listen to his devotees defend him saying how “candid” he’s been and how “truly repentant” he’s been. This is NOT what true repentance looks like.

[@CaliforniaForever]

So glad there is no statute of limitations for sexual abuse in TX.

[@paulwilson1424]

Hey, there's a thought. She said this happened in Oklahoma and Texas. Maybe he can still be charged for the times it happened in Texas.

[@deirdrehelms5958]

It did not happen on TX. It was Oklahoma 😕😒😞😫

[@paulwilson1424]

@deirdrehelms5958 the report says that it happened in both states

[@catherinegrace2366]

@@paulwilson1424yes, that’s true. No statute of limitations in Texas for child sexual abuse and reports are the crimes happened in Texas and Oklahoma

[@estherj.tolbert8854]

YES, Christina!! He’s a predator! A 20 year old can definitely feel the difference between himself and a 12 year old!! Not just gross but predatory!!

[@Zann-Bab]

Are these guys being prosecuted?

[@suezannemarie292]

I was at GW for 12yrs! This is sickening and infuriating!! This church was built on lies and coverups!

[@godsstruggler8783]

All of the institutional church is built on sand. It is thoroughly leavened.

[@JillCee]

Churches don’t make it easy. I had a Sunday school teacher stalking me as an adult. When I reported it, I was blamed for being the problem, even through multiple women complained about him. I did leave when I saw no one would help me.

[@cricketmay8640]

Christina, you are so spot on. I was just thinking that. He wrote a book about why he stepped down which was a lie. And he made money off of the fact that he’s lying. I want to give him grace, but the fact that they wanted to discount how much they gave the victim, and then all the money he made off of the book lying about it. It’s too much.

[@HushHush-xt7so]

He was big on tithing and had 100,000 members. After 30+ years his net worth is $117,000,000. Lots of reasons to lie.

[@glorialovesChrist]

@@HushHush-xt7so I think that's a super high estimate I think he's closer to 20 million dollars.. but I hope the victim sues the church, and Morris.

[@carolinasongbird3362]

@@HushHush-xt7so This is the number I have as well. No matter how much he has, if he "wants to be blessed by God", he'd better cough up his 10% and send it on over to Cindy.

[@dbwilliams6203]

Where is the conviction of sin? Where is the compassion for the Wounded? My heart is grieved by this pastor's choice!

[@drrickmarks3725]

What’s troubling to me are the parents of kids who were abused by pastors who help cover up sex crimes by ministers than seek the police. Why protect the offender or church and not your child?

[@belle-v7q]

agreed!!!! straight to the police I would go!

[@johanitalouw9315]

They want to protect the church, i e their jobs and future!!😮

[@TheBroomehilda]

I agree. But there’s also the point that court and the whole process is extremely hard on the victim especially back then. This could be a factor.

[@TheBroomehilda]

@@carolinasongbird3362it is sick indeed. You are so right.

[@marysilvergirl6025]

It's not a guarantee that the police would have believed her or even done anything.

[@dusankakandija7423]

qualifications of an overseer or pastor include: "he MUST NOT BE a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil" (1 Timothy 3:6)

[@YeshuaMostHigh]

Wow, the Word of the just Judge. Preach!!

[@pamelalanno315]

I am so glad to hear your thoughts about this horror story. It is exactly what I have been thinking about this wolf in sheep’s clothing ! People need to hear sound people addressing this as your are. I am sick of hearing others dismiss the severity of his behavior saying he repented, had counseling etc etc and has had a fruitful ministry. Ugh! Someone who calls himself a pastor does not blame his criminal behavior on the 12 year old victim he defiled, nor does he cover over the details of that behavior to minimize it. Where is the brokenness for what he did to a 12 year old girl who was the daughter of a friend whose home he was invited into in order to help him move forward in ministry? The brazenness of this creep to do this under the roof of friends that believed in him and trusted him! As you said, if he was truly a man of God and repentant, he would jump at the chance to do anything to make restitution to this woman! And then wanting an NDA on top of it! Sickening ! The few times I watched this wolf on TV I never felt good about him and his message- too focused on money most of the time and just did not give me a good feeling. Those pastors involved in this cover up should be held to account as well! They are guilty for aiding and abetting this unrepentant predator ! I can’t believe how deluded people are in their comments supporting this guy. The Biblical references they use are so skewed. It doesn’t seem they are very Biblically literate let alone have common sense in seeing the reality of this situation.

[@carolyndunegan3505]

Thank you Blaise & Christina The focus on how the abuser is feeling and what they need is a large part of the silence in girls & women They are led into guilt and confusion that they are hurting everyone by speaking up

[@dusankakandija7423]

You need to watch the interview with a former elder of Robert Morris over at Justin Peters Ministries that just came out. It is groundbreaking! You 2 are wonderful, thank you❤ God bless you and all here

[@kkitao217]

Lots of good insights. Thank you. If you had read further in the book, you would have learned that after a month of working nights as a security guard, Morris decided he had dealt with his pride sufficiently and rejoined the evangelist he had worked for before, so he lied about the two years out of ministry. Justin Peters interviewed a man who had worked with Morris, and he had a lot to say that throws even more light on the lack of authenticity of Morris’ repentance.

[@oneknb]

Further research disclosed that Robert Morris was out of ministry for only ONE MONTH before traveling in ministry with James Robison (though he wasn't at Shady Grove for two years). That was NOT sufficient discipline in light of what Scriptures dictate as standards for ministers -- besides the fact that molesting a 12-year-old CHILD is a crime. May righteousness, truth and JUSTICE be established within the Church of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 -- "I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler-not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

[@amberhebert2062]

Isn’t James Robinson the one who told Robert he had tons of demons in him?

[@couragedearheart2951]

No amount of TIME qualified him back into ministry EVER.

[@Creativetda]

God is exposing wolves and ENABLERS of wolves.

[@mikemuncy7464]

And most of them are in Pentecostal churches!

[@caroltomlin8822]

@@mikemuncy7464Be careful. It wasn’t that long ago the wolves were in the Catholic Churches. Likely there will be other churches.

[@tiffanyemiliano5375]

That’s EXACTLY right as I feel we are not giving due attention to church boards, elders, leadership,ministry colleagues -I find it unfathomable that such gross moral and spiritual compromise is occurring and everyone is simply oblivious. I call it more cognitive dissonant, intentional blindness to see, acknowledge and act on what they see going on but do not want to get involved in. The Lord God is ever merciful, loving and patient but the time clock does run out if we do not biblically handle the issue in the righteous, restorative way the Lord desires.

[@truthseeker4869]

@@mikemuncy7464Wrong! It’s across all denominations

[@lionjudah8900]

​@@mikemuncy7464 It's in a lot of types of churches. Case in point, the Catholic Churches are riddled with these predatory wolves! Never let your children be "altar boys!"

[@caramia4483]

Gives a whole new meaning to “shady” grove

[@mattattack1986]

Can somebody tell me why as of today there is still no legal accountability being held towards any former or current leadership of ihopkc? Like, these Jane Doe's that have come forward, along with everything else and still nothing? No arrests or anything? Shouldn't Mike Bickle be in jail?

[@Gerwoman]

I agree with both of you 100%. Thanks keep speaking truth.

[@benjaminlee5050]

All of these cases of clergy abuse and the elders hiding it makes me wonder has there ever been a church leadership board that has had integrity and done the right thing?!

[@dolly7639]

See FAI. Happened the same time as IHOPKC, massively different response.

[@asmith1230]

​@@dolly7639Hello, what does FAI stand for? If you Google "FAI abuse" the results list referee abuses in Irish football...

[@reesecop]

​@@dolly7639 Who or what is FAI??

[@ceri64]

I did share of my abuse with my teenage children when the investigation started. They both knew my abuser. I was amazed at how mature and supportive they were to me! Me sharing also enabled my daughter to speak out immediately when a man started stalking her at work, even attending our Church just to sit near her. Because she had the courage to speak out, the leadership had her dad to speak to him and he was asked to leave our church. Her work manager and colleagues also rallied around to protect her. I thank God that I did share my story with them.

[@dolly7639]

@reesecop Frontier Alliance International. They bring the gospel to very dangerous countries. Dalton Thomas was removed for an affair, and Joel Richardson is now the director. He's a Godly man in my opinion.

[@williambleckley9058]

BTW WAY GUYS, HE RECOUNTED HOW LONG HE WAS OUT OF MINISTRY, IT WASNT 2 YEARS HE SAID IT WAS 1 MONTH

[@lavontolbert3864]

True! He went to work for James Roberson

[@BoldTruthTeller]

He worked for Robison BEFORE he was at Shady Grove church.

[@HushHush-xt7so]

@@BoldTruthTeller James Robison used to confront crooked preachers back in the day then his spine collapsed.

[@paulwilson1424]

​@@BoldTruthTellerHow does that work when he has talked about only being saved a few months before preaching at SG

[@thomassoerens9908]

I think the story is: He stepped down from pastoring for 2 years. He worked a lowly humbling "regular job" like the common people for a month before landing a non-preaching, non-pastoring job with James Robison ministries.

[@EverlastingLife-pl9ug]

It will be shocking if this was the only minor he was involved with.

[@IanTate-zm6dm]

Agree!!

[@aprilm3453]

True 😢

[@laurenmay2098]

I don't think so.

[@sallyshaw4910]

Totally agree!

[@terriperry9434]

I've worked with sexual predators and child victims for years. They don't stop at one child. EVER.

[@frankwirt]

"The love of money is the root of all evil".... that sums up the issues that so many of these million dollar preachers have

[@sicilywyatt8396]

This is so common in church. To be blindly loyal to the pastor or leaders. I’ve been greatly harmed by several pastors, not sexual abuse, but abuse non the less and when I sought help for what had happened I was made out the the bad guy. No one believed me, supported me because they see these pastors as gods that can do no wrong. So the sheep are left to fend for themselves and eventually lose the “family” They have because most will stay loyal to the pastor.

[@Grandma428]

Yeah, and when you leave an abusive ministry, they flick it off as “church hurt” that (God forbid!) you better not carry offense about. But I watched the Lord deal with an abusive church years ago. Pastoral team passed before their time, church closed.

[@michellehoutchens8506]

Thank you!! You said all the things I thought. Some of these others that I heard saying he was a good guy otherwise, makes me feel physically ill! It is time for the church to wake up to these men and the ones that support them to continue to injure the victims. There will likely be more victims.

[@Creativetda]

Hey elders of that church, what did you do to restore THE VICTIM of criminal behavior while you were restoring Robert morris? Huh? Oh that’s right, morris is so much more valuable and used mightily by God.

[@laraderksen4297]

It’s just so infuriating.

[@SallyCleland-ve6kh]

So - “ a moral failure “ -- is once - A 12yr old, sexual Abuse for 4. 1/2 yrs - is not a moral failure ! Thats deliberate intentional acts with a minor. RM was married as well and had the nerve to as typical of peadophilic behaviour to swear her to secrecy !! Nope !! Nope ,nope !

[@cathyB3713]

% 100

[@tonyahewett5923]

Thank you for tackling this. I am in shock. I go to a church that is/was connected to Gateway.

[@wendyrobert6715]

Thanks again for a great podcast!! It was very helpful!!

[@mborthful]

I am constantly amazed and grateful at the ability you both show to speak truth in love ( I know even that phrase has become like a cliche) so articulately. It is baffling that anyone would see anything in you two but utter love for God, the church and those broken by those who should have protected them. I can't thank you enough for your courage.

[@wandaadam1327]

There are more abused by him that need to come forward. He can still 'pastor' in prison.

[@GiuseppeJoseph]

Does anyone else find it weirdly ironic that the church was called Shady Grove ? S H A D Y - you can not make this stuff up

[@amberhebert2062]

This is not ministry, This is industry.

[@zekitty1]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

[@nickypendleton4066]

Morris net worth is 117 million which is a whole nother scandal

[@atrascendentlifewithjose-wv9ml]

he should be in prison, period, the same with anyone who covered this up

[@ClcyakimaMusic]

Been WAITING for you guys to talk about this!!! Thank you!!! 🙏🏻 💔🙏🏻

[@belle-v7q]

"Let go of the exaltation of man..." 💯 The secret of showing honor where honor is due, but not giving in to a hierarchical mindset.

[@kindnessheals]

So appreciate you guys.

[@ReLair88]

You all need to watch Justin Peter's interview with a former employee of Robert Morris at his church. The story he had told his church about the "young lady" was horrific. He made himself the victim in the situation. The former employer was outraged at what he had been told vs what the press is saying and the elders are saying. And this implicates James Robison in coverup, given what this former employee said.

[@cathyB3713]

yes that was such a great interview ! Morris actually blamed the 12 year old saying she had a seducing jezebel spirit he could not resist ????OMG !! a 12 year old !!

[@pbcaylor_1]

I appreciate you guys taking this on. I suggest watching interviews w/2 Pastors who served in and under ministry w/Morris. One by Justin Peters, and one by CBN News. Robert was ALREADY IN “ministry,” traveling as an evangelist at 17-18 WHEN HE claims he got saved in a hotel at 19. The 2 “elders” who met w/Robert’s victim and her family were James Robison and (current) “Apostolic Elder” Olen Griffing. Griffing was a State Trooper at the time. Lots more KNOWN deats to expose.

[@MarilynCamacho-v3b]

It’s all about the love of money it’s about celebrity status. It is not about being a servant and serving those at your ministering to. That’s just the starting point.

[@ezbless100]

I listened to a preaching today, a clip, can't find it right now, where he elaborated what kind of "girls" he went after, admitting to predatory behavior, girls that had troubled relationships with their dads.....not sure how many girls he refered to

[@Grace-FilledDaisies]

I saw that 😮😢

[@godsstruggler8783]

Like all narcissists, he could spot vulnerability. It's a spirit - a predatory, manipulative and lying spirit.

[@mvg5165]

That’s a crime against a child how gross he needs to go to prison

[@pjhotosean]

Judgement begins with the house of God.😢

[@worshipinspiritandtruth]

A couple years ago my bible study did a video study of one of Robert Morris’ books. I remember being so disturbed by his video teachings…not the content but his very presence. I knew something was off with him. When I heard he was a child molester I was not surprised and thanked the Holy Spirit for giving me discernment and warning me so I didn’t continue following any of his teachings.

[@laraderksen4297]

I didn’t feel good about him either.😢

[@CaliforniaForever]

He creeped me out too.

[@dachater1]

He does have those creepy vibes

[@dusankakandija7423]

such a good point about how Zacchaeus went about restitution and that such is a true fruit of repentance

[@reconciledHRT]

Humans are sooo slow to learn. How many of these do we need before we learn? It's crazy!! It's like in all allegations all the accused and all those who quickly come to their defense are reading from the same script, over and over again. Do they not watch how other scandals go down? It's like the twilight zone out here.🤯

[@kathyparadise9218]

Maybe the way we are doing ministry is just not working. Should we be thinking that so so much needs to change. No big platforms. To many stars not enough servants. Help us Lord!

[@amandabowers9396]

This!! 💯

[@MissRumphius2025]

What in the world were parents thinking letting their young girls be alone with older men back then? I have 12/14 year old girls and, while we have youth pastors we trust, we would NEVER leave them alone together. Ever! For everyone’s safety. This is not meant as defense for the deplorable behavior of Morris/Bickle, but where in the world were the parents who did not protect their kids.

[@keithbryner40]

Youth ministry in the 80's and 90's was disgusting! Just look at the sexualized games and objectification of young teens. The idea was that we were to "fish" for the "popular jocks and hotties" in order to bring more kids to "Jesus." When I came into youth ministry in the late '90's (in a dual position with Youth for Christ as a Campus Life Director/UMC Youth Director), I was a classically trained social worker. I was stunned. The question was not if but when clergy sexual abuse would happen. In fact, in training, I saw youth meetings that were breeding grounds for inappropriate behavior, not only for youth but youth leaders as well. I saw some things change, but the overall landscape was still very stetchy. Sorry, this is big soap box for me. Again, look where this started with both Bickle and Morris... youth ministry. The problem didn't start with them however, the youth ministry landscape invited this type of behavior. This is in no way leaves Bickle and Morris off the hook. The culture of youth ministry did however dump gasoline on their aready raging fire.

[@Grace-FilledDaisies]

I was a former youth leader and I 💯 think that youth ministry should not exist at all. I do not think it's biblical.

[@reesecop]

​@GraceFilledDaisies That's quite a statement. There are plenty of healthy youth ministries. Sorry you never saw or participated in one. There's nothing "unbiblical" about reaching youth for Christ. It can be as simple as a solid married couple holding a Bible Study for teens/those about to enter college and being available to them for questions, guidance and prayer. Not every teen has Christian parents, so having adults willing to be there for young people in this way is invaluable.

[@mattpoulsen520]

Robert Morris net worth…. $114 MILLION and the guy couldn’t give her $50k for her mental health. Doesn’t sound like repentance to me.

[@namelesswreck6383]

I wish people would stop giving money to mega churches ⛪ 🐺🐀

[@kramsdrawde8159]

Jimmy Swaggert is another preacher who was "restored" , the scripture never speaks of restoring a disqualified pastor ... also it is NOT the function of the Church to prosecute the LAWS of the STATE !!! STATE LAWS and STATE PURVIEW !!!

[@HushHush-xt7so]

Swaggart left the AG after they said he was not ready to return.

[@kramsdrawde8159]

@@HushHush-xt7so The point here is after being disqualified there is no biblical path bck to the Pastor position, but the charismatic care little for scripture as we both know the false prophets make things up as they go along ...who needs scripture when you go off of what you SAY God has said ...

[@caramia4483]

The millstone bit…amen. People conveniently forget those red letters.

[@richardmorris363]

Even IF the young girl was being provocative, the older person, the adult AND MINISTER should properly manage the situation.

[@waltergunther5732]

.... selfcontrol. Pentecostal Charismatic movers and shaker's are seduced by signs and wonders

[@HushHush-xt7so]

She wasn't though. She said he invited her to his room. He initiated everything because his heart was deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.

[@carolvanrooyen2488]

@@HushHush-xt7so if he invited her why did she go? she could say no? ? ... I’m sure she could have gone directly to her parents room and tell them he “invited” me to his room... would love to know the truth is what actually happened 🤔😳

[@deborahcatalano261]

A 12 year old would not know of his sexual intent. Robert and Debbie were guests in her home.

[@traceyforrest4193]

Morris has also been NAR adjacent for years. More rotten fruit from the same poisonous tree.

[@deborahlee4441]

Carl lentz has a crappy attitude . He has made some really annoying comments. He wants us to feel sorry for his situation and we should not.

[@cathyB3713]

I agree with what is said here that he has been most honest but at the same time still something is very off and they seem to like the limelight /fame. What not just keep quiet and get on with your lives ?

[@johanitalouw9315]

​@@cathyB3713 Limelight = ego and money$$$$

[@TheFordFunFam]

I agree that he is apostate. You do not write a book LYING about past sins if you are changed by Christ. I am so glad that these wolves are all being exposed by God and the tares are being exposed as a result. Far too many people losing their souls trying to gain worldly wealth! Run Christians!! If your whole congregation cannot approach your Pastor comfortably...RUN!! He (or She) is a wolf, not a shepherd!!

[@lionjudah8900]

"I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they encourage and strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that none returns from his wickedness. They have all of them become to Me like Sodom, and her inhabitants like Gomorrah." Jereimiah 23:14

[@stephenfennell]

That is an especially apposite verse, Jeremiah 23:14. I think we should all learn it by heart.

[@johanitalouw9315]

Wow...... God's truth❤

[@troymccullagh]

A lawyer who blames the victim needs to be disbarred!! That is evil! Too many enablers in leadership at church, parents, lawyers, etc... all letting it be covered up! It is sickening!

[@saywhat2651]

They’re saying “Prior” to starting the current church, to protect the churches finances. He should be held accountable and be financially responsible for her therapy and more. Glad you’re covering this, these wolves need to be dealt with.

[@hilmarkristinsson4751]

Greetings from Iceland 🇮🇸 Thankful for your Jesus talks, most helpful for processing.

[@dayofyahweh]

SHAWN BOLZ. Can you please answer our questions on when and where Shawn Bolz admitted to data mining? Transparency…

[@tripletgirl2484]

These days there are Mandatory Reporting laws. It’s required by law for anyone in authority with information of SA to report it immediately. Crimes against children are particularly egregious, thank you for pointing this out. Also, the 80s were not known for strong Biblical teaching or discernment in the church.

[@ruthmayforth5933]

He said he was saved at 19. How was he a pastor at the age of 20???!!!! He was both a new convert and young, and does not seem like he went to seminary…

[@HushHush-xt7so]

It was the same with Mike Bickle. A small church wanted a pastor, heard him speak once, then asked him to be their pastor. Age: 20/21. I don't think they asked if he had a bible college or seminary degree. But he did have 3 months at a bible camp in Colorado. So he figured that was good enough. Bob Hartley became a youth pastor for Bickle only 3 years after he was saved. Why? Because Bob Jones the "prophet" said Hartley was ready. (This is all written up in Daniel Falls' book on Pat Bickle and the KC prophets.) Please keep kids out of leadership. Thank you.

[@dachater1]

Plus he had a very sexually immoral past

[@Gerwoman]

@@HushHush-xt7so both probably stayed at the Holiday Inn Express for a night as the qualifier instead of seminary. How is it possible that we do not require some schooling or a degree for ministers when you need a license to drive a forklift.

[@paulinekingston7479]

I just have to say, what an appropriate name for that church..."Shady Grove", I hope there is nothing else covered up there. And I hope the elders etc are confronted by the people...NOW, no matter how many years have gone by. That poor little girl, what an evil thing to happen to her.

[@wendycollins765]

Victim stated 12-16 so 4 years he used her, while married with a child, and the abuse started in a senior pastor home?!? That would make him 25 ish when caught and exposed-then minimized-still in Morris mind minimized to call her a young lady, not prepubescent female that was threatened not to tell anyone! Just when will the church opening admit the leaders should all go through deliverance until there is a clean heart.

[@tad3900]

The Lord said, " if anyone wants to sue you, and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. And whoever shall force you to go one mile, go with him two. " Matt5:40,41 And "If therefore you are presenting your offering at the alter, and there remember that your brother has something AGAINST YOU, leave your offering there before the altar, and go your way; FIRST BE RECONCILED TO YOUR BROTHER, and then come and present your offering." Matt 5:23,24. God is definitely for restitution, read Ex 21-22 these are the "you have heard it said" verses Jesus is talking about. And he raised the bar on restitution. I've done insurance remediation work, and the standard is to make your client whole, as if it never happened when it comes to property damage. It is unethical to do less, that's what the insurance is for. Now if that's the standard for the world, for Joe Shmo construction guy fixing your house, what should be the standard of a Shepherd of God's people? Nowhere in Jesus' ministry are you finding him splitting hairs on accountability. Nowhere is he minimizing people's pain and suffering. Nuff said.

[@glorialovesChrist]

He was 27 sexually abused a 12 year old till 18. Why didnt her parents call the police. Putting child abusers in jail is forgiveness. I had to forgive myself for not putting my abusers in jail. I hope she takes the pastor to civil court and sues. What about his wife too ? 😡

[@denalowry8710]

The abuse was till the victim was 16

[@glorialovesChrist]

@@denalowry8710 sorry. Yes and still a child.

[@glorialovesChrist]

Till 16 sorry

[@glorialovesChrist]

Sorry. He was 21 she was 12 . Until 16

[@glorialovesChrist]

Yes sorry. He was 21 she 12 until 16

[@stengerp1]

Here we go again!!! Clean your house Lord!!!

[@silviagarza4684]

Not a ‘young lady’. She was a child at 12.

[@lindiharris-axon8167]

It doesn't matter how sexy the girl looked or how puberty affected her. YOU DON"T A SEX WITH A PERSON YOU HAVE POWER OVER, IS MUCH OLDER AND NOT AT THE AGE OF CONSENT to having sex with you. Not to mention someone you aren't married to. And no matter how sexy you think a woman looks or is dressing, IT IS NOT AN INVITATION FOR RAPE OR OTHER SEXUAL ABUSE. He was the adult, he was the abuser, it's ALL on him. I do not understand these people who will justify this kind of thing.

[@scottdwyer4776]

Being molested as a child has such a complex destructive effect on the human psyche and heart, it's almost like a mental, emotional, and spiritual, shotgun effect. Some people end up needing decades of therapy, sometimes the damage done is irreparable, it's a violation that is so profound, it robs the child of their innocence, sense of personal safety, bring so much confusion, and also destroys healthy instinctive boundaries through the grooming process which systematically tears down normal and necessary defense mechanisms, and even defiles and corrupts the child, can even strip them of their God given sense of dignity 😔

[@ivanasimic2072]

It happen everywhere!! Speak out! Silence is violance

[@dusankakandija7423]

there is also now "mega maniacs" podcast where the former HR director of world harvest church (pastor rod parsley) is exposing terrible spiritual abuse going on there... God bless

[@paulwilson1424]

Something I have to disagree with you on. Timothy and a Titus are not vague at all. They are written in a plain simple way. People want to believe that its vague because it sounds harsh when you read the definitions of the words used. I would suggest getting a good Greek, Hebrew computer program and study in the original languages. Something a lot of people need to understand is these "pastors" were not used by God. They were used by Satan to confuse the body of Christ. Honestly everybody that served under them needs to step down, and search themselves for what falsehoods they have accepted and passed on to others.

[@BILLYJEAN1-o6m]

The error of hierarchy is the greatest threat to the body of Christ. This is what Jesus is trying to expose, the moral failures are just symptoms of the false church system .

[@jenniferpackard6558]

Completely agree!!! This is the bad root. Also it's not just the ministry at fault but the people in the congregation that idolize the leader/pastor and don't think they should be subject to the same standards of morality. It is just unbelievable. Also, everyone I have heard on social media that is in ministry is beating the drum of "don't isolate" and "just find a good church". Which in my opinion shows they don't get it yet. How can we trust leadership when the system remains the same??

[@BILLYJEAN1-o6m]

@jenniferpackard6558 I know its frustrating when everybody is focussing on the sin & not the false church system that allows this dysfunction to thrive. I hear people say he shouldn't be restored to that position when I'm screaming the position was in error to begin with. The position, the title, the individual authority is all error. We are all equals with different functions yes, but equal in authority. Even elders that would oversee a group of beleivers didn't claim individual authority like these Celebrity Pastor's & other Ephesian 4 beleivers. Why is it so hard for the body of Christ to grasp this truth of equality. I know why because the traditions of men has nullified the word of God just as Paul warned. We should be making every effort to flee even the perception of hierarchy, yet we embrace it with our stages, VIP front row area ect.. Allowing one person called pastor to dominte every gathering while the rest of the body just sits their silent. Its all junk apon junk apon junk. Jesus said the Gentiles Lord it over one another with authority, but not so among you because you are all brothers & sisters. (Equals)

[@lindiharris-axon8167]

Sad. Also intereresting. I've watched you two for a while now but never knew you were at Shady Grove. My husband and oldest son were there from 1982-84. There was a Robert MOrris who was an elder there at the time, I think, thought Olin Griffing was pastor. I knew there was something I couldn't put my finger on but I later discoverd in what ways. I did know many wonderful people there. Our son went to their school while we lived there. After many, many years, we are now living where we grew up - the Kansas City area, watching the sad fallout from IHOP. I never attended there but know many who did. I did meet and tallk with MIke Bickle back during my Agape days not long after his brother was paralyed. Was also at Ernie Gruien's church but left for TX in 1981, before the famous sermon/tape. I also agree about Strang. U gaveb;t read Charisma in years. BTW, the Greek "husband of one wife" can be translated "one woman man."

[@ConnieRowell-sh4gc]

Robert Morris was an assistant pastor to my family’s pastor Jimmy Evans in Amarillo Texas years ago. This is just shocking on so many levels.🤦🏼‍♀️

[@cathyB3713]

Jimmy Evans is not better . His whole involvement in supporting Dough Weiss getting a divorce and then immediately marrying Joni Lamb . Now he is running the ´´show ´´. Jimmy lost any respect I had for him through this situation . Zero discernment

[@dannyspromise]

I’m so glad to hear you say what you did about Carl Lentz. I never cared for him before, but today I have huge respect and appreciation for both he and his wife. I feel they have more to offer the body of Christ than most pastors I know. Their podcast has been so powerful.

[@MichaelCTruth]

He is a false teacher unless he repented from false teaching.

[@mrnt1257]

Remember how Jim Baker “repented”?

[@jmkqfnvyl87]

It turns out there is no statute of limitation on that sort of thing in Texas. . . Gosh. . . He really should have taken the settlement. Boz is gonna tear him up. . .

[@tracydyar7526]

Wow. I think “pride” was when he wrote that passage!

[@Cheryl-f5y]

A leader, elder, pastor etc. must be without reproach 1 Timothy 5:7

[@warninghispeople1298]

With child predators, which he was, there is NEVER EVER only one predator if they are allowed to continue in ministry. The saddest thing is there’s most likely many many victims in this wolves wake, but she was the only one brave enough at this point to share her story with the world, which is extremely hard to do. PK for 40 years and working with trafficked victims, some of major church leaders, I have enough stories to fill a book.

[@janetm1152]

I look at my 12 year old and in no way is she flirtatious. She's still innocent minded, all about playing here and there. How can anyone think a 12 year old would be into a grown man or any male in a sexual manner? Protect the children, people.

[@sharonyoung8251]

Even if a 12 year old girl were interested in a man, he is the adult and should figure the situation. I’m not saying this girl in any way encouraged this.

[@deborahcatalano261]

I agree - minds are depraved.

[@janabickham8909]

We need "fear of the Lord" restored.

[@grace2bme988]

Carl Lentz just accepted an assistant pastor role in some church … check it out.. he’s back !!

[@gabbyheusser6503]

In one of his sermons, Robert actually said that he looked women with no father and were vulnerable…that’s a preditor Robert’s words….yikes. It was just on KZbin yesterday 😢

[@EverlastingLife-pl9ug]

Can he still be held criminally responsible?!

[@teohproject]

TX has no statues of limitations so yes he can go to the Penn

[@keriwhite2521]

To whom much is given, much is required. Restoration and forgiveness is available for all who ask. But, the Consequences of his hidden, deceptive, and criminal sin must be dealt with in a court of law. He is accountable and responsible for his criminal actions on an innocent child. All this time while proclaiming to be a Christian and pastoring. Gifted or not this is a mockery. This may seem harsh, but I was molested as a child by my step dad and still deal with the trauma of the abuse. She needs justice!

[@MB-sg8dx]

Inability to apologize is a characteristic of narcissism (which is related to Jezebel)

[@BILLYJEAN1-o6m]

The body of Christ needs to leave the error of Hierarchy & equality needs to be preached from the roof tops so we return to correct doctrine.

[@sonyanolanful]

There is a difference between talent/charisma that one is born with, and gifts of the Spirit that we are endowed with upon being born again. Apparently, it seems to me, that he was a naturally talented man (fleshly talented) at the time of the incident and not born again. if any man be born of the Spirit He ceases to sin (1 John 3:9). This incident was not a single accidental fall into sin; it was ongoing over several years. I must question whether he was, then, actually born again or even now born again. His lies and lack of integrity continue to this day. “That which is born of the flesh IS flesh. That which is born of the Spirit IS Spirit.” There is a difference between the acknowledgment of sin as in Saul (a type of antiChrist) and the repentance of David (“a man after God’s own heart” and forerunner of Christ) who confessed his sin when confronted and accepted his just discipline. When I was born again I went around confessing and trying to make amends for my past life of sin at the Lord’s direction. This is a sad day for Christendom. 37:26

[@reconciledHRT]

I'm guessing Christina is cerebral. Blaise makes certain statements and her mental calculator goes off and her eye motions are like 🧐+/_×*=! Love Her! 😅

[@rhstclare1195]

Honestly, I hope this opens up the the negligence and criminal behaviour of the church board past and present. After releasing the recent, but now damning 'internal memo', the executive team lead pastor at Gateway, is going to go down as a fool! Speak first - check the facts after.

[@saraherrick4675]

Love the points you guys make. So why is she going public with this now? Prolly cuz she feels safer.