How Good is Lyn ACTUALLY...in the Binding Blade? (Analysis)

[@Mekkkah]

Quick note: I mistakingly say in the video Amberstorm is the lead of Project Ember. The proper term would be that they're part of the team (advisor and additional voice on balancing) . The lead dev of Project Ember is Brunhilda.

[@boot-4704]

Idea- what if you did this but for every Blazing Blade character? Or maybe just the bad ones.

[@AriaFromMahabre]

@@boot-4704 Do you realize how long that would take lmao

[@quackmandoo]

I'm just glad to see him still active in the community. Can't tell you why, but KZbin has been feeding me all mangs and no mekkah...? Thank you for bringing up the sprite animations. It's one of my favorite parts of the older generations, GBA in particular

[@Nerobyrne]

I love Lyn 😻 She's such a wholesome person, thrown into a pointless war she had no interest in. To her friends, she is kind, caring and warm-hearted. To strangers, she's respectful but distant. She works hard to not fight, but if you force her to ... she reveals that she is one of the most dangerous sword users you're ever going to encounter. She's so well written that I didn't even realize she's objectively not that great, because you WANT to use her. Pretty amazing writing, honestly. FE7 was probably the best way to introduce the series to new players.

[@BigGnome]

It's so surreal seeing how over the years, Mekkah's channel went from constantly being memed on for low resolution videos and other editing stuff to an over the top editing style thanks to the talented editors he hired

[@orange6259]

Mekkah just decided to wait till level 20 to promote.

[@shine-ub6eb]

@@orange6259 pitfall smh

[@Samuel-nj4yy]

@@shine-ub6eb its not a pitfall when he had to wait for his own heaven seal of sorts.

[@jonathanlgill]

It's an overactive style of editing. Feels like I'm being treated as a kid.

[@vikingswirlix6947]

@@jonathanlgill What about active, flashy editing screams "treated like a kid?" It's just attention to detail and high effort - this level of editing takes so much work.

[@ProfNekko]

to this day I still don't understand what was going through IS's heads when they made the Sol Katti... They literally made a weapon that completely removes her core advantage of her speed

[@roda_]

They probably bet on the eventuality that the player would 20/20 Lyn with max speed so that her 8 speed loss wouldn't be so noticeable. I truly can't guess tho because it's actually just horrible

[@scarletrose8766]

Should have just made the sol katti as heavy as the manni katti but since it's a large sword they gave it more weight oh well can't have what you need off to playing modded FE games with Lyn on it hoping they don't butcher her further.

[@gabrielbitencourt1879]

​@@roda_ I had a 20/20 Lyn with Afa's drops. She had capped speed but she still couldn't double the dragon with Sol Katti due to the weight if I remember correctly.

[@jj48]

I remember being extremely excited that Lyn was getting a new weapon, just for her, only to be immediately disappointed. Athos: With these legendary weapons, you should be able to thwart Nergal's nefarious plot! You should feel honored to be following in the footsteps of the Heroes of old! Oh, and Lyn, here's a piece of garbage I found on the way here. Maybe you can hit enemies with it, or something; I don't know. We'll be sure to at least give you a participation ribbon for showing up.

[@chesspwn7457]

One of the big things for me against her is her comparison to swordmasters. While their stats are similar, Lyn is missing out on that big crit bonus they get that helps their damage output a lot.

[@Mekkkah]

Definitely! Lyn compensates a little bit with the Mani Katti's 20 crit, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Killing Edge or the +30% crit from Rutger. So she does rely on effective or divine weaponry to get the proper damage output sometimes.

[@DavisG603]

As someone who started their FE journey in FE7, this video was a passion project to make. Hope you all enjoy Mekkah's analysis of the Blynding Blade! :)

[@RexZShadow]

Same, randomly brought it as a kid and fell in love with the series.

[@BenDover-s6y]

Same I started the blazing blade when I was 15 and fell in love instantly

[@SWad250]

This is a great exploration on how much a game reflects the units within it. It tends that newer people don't quite understand the "meta" of a given FE game, so they tend to not understand the whys of how certain characters are good or bad, and this highlights those whys beautifully. Wonderful work Mekkah, Davis, and Ryn.

[@chriswhinery925]

"so they tend to not understand the whys of how certain characters are good or bad" Especially when the game doesn't give them any reason to really care. I've played through FE7 a bunch of times using characters that everyone says are bad like Lyn and Rebecca and using them doesn't make the game hard. You can win this game with just about any combination of characters as long as you understand the other systems in play and how to use them.

[@RexZShadow]

Lyn by far some of the best animations in FE and that's high praise for how good the animation in the GBA era was.

[@Mr.Jim248]

And Lyn has one thing that no other unit animations have: PHYSICS

[@synthesoul]

A Man of Culture has joined

[@baticeer_]

I feel like an interesting follow-up experiment to this if you wanted to do something else similar would be swapping an entire cast. Like, what if all the characters from FE8 were replaced with FE7 characters? How would their usefulness change in a different game? Kind of like reverse recruitment does, it shows off how much of a unit's value is from their situation and the game around them rather than their raw stats. Nice overview, I really enjoyed the FE6 LP and the vindication that Lyn would indeed be better there.

[@Alector12]

That would be really interesting to see. Tanky powerhouses like Hector or especially Oswin would be quite mediocre while Guy would skyrocket in usefulness. Marcus would just experience a straight upgrade.

[@Mekkkah]

It's been done actually! The patches are out there somewhere.

[@DiogoJ1]

@@Alector12 Marcus is inferior to Seth, it's the other way around.

[@nate567987]

@@DiogoJ1 yes but paladins are more useful in fe8 and stat wise marcus would be fine

[@DiogoJ1]

@@nate567987 I suppose, but Seth has better stats. No one can beat Seth.

[@oddskymikha8185]

My major gripes with Lyn is on a conceptual level. In this game with 3 main characters, you have at base 2 who use swords and one who uses axes. Wouldn't it make more sense if each of them used a different weapon of the weapon triangle ? So that they would feel unique, so that you'd have a solid core of units that can deal with most threats ? Really, if we wanted to be consistent, Eliwood should have started with lances and upon promotion, got sword weapon ranks so that he could use the lengendary blade. That would give Lyn the mandatory role of sword-locked lord but at least she would crit a lot more than most, making her a bit more memorable. When it comes to her promotion, I feel like she should have been a ranger from fe8, with access to a mount, swords and bows, which would have made her very unique in Fe7, not to mention it would be in line with her Saccean background. But hey, can't really change the past and it's become a staple in this franchise that all main characters use a sword and nothing else (aside of a few exceptions). EDIT: Wow, like a flipping idiot, I forgot that the "ranger" from FE8 already exists in FE7 as the Nomadic Trooper. Really shows which game I played most, heh. My point still stand tho, either give Lyn a horse or give her the bonus crit sword masters get, I mean good lord, she's clearly supposed to be a myrmidon and just because she gets bows the developpers were like, "can't give her more crit, would be unbalanced"; well so are paladins with 8 moves, super good stats and access to the entirety of the weapon triangle.

[@rafaelrijo8175]

Kinda like with three houses. ( Byleth is sword, Edelgard is axes, Dimitri is lances, and Claude is bows.)

[@christianlangdon3766]

@@rafaelrijo8175 except that maybe only half of those are even the best weapons for them to master. But that's three houses for you. Granted I have always disliked the over grouped of sword lord's. If three houses was not around we would have a grand totaled of 3 magic lord's, (celiph, meciah, and Robin tech) one lance and one axe lord. Like wtf. All the rest are swords and this is in games with multiple lord's sometimes as well. Even the jeagen lord is a sword lord (though he still has lances for weapon triangle)

[@s07195]

Probably the reason why Lyn is a bow user nowadays (even in FE Engage lol)

[@kone7549]

@@s07195 thank goodness too, Lyn with the Mulagir is so much cooler than Lyn using the sword that breaks both of her kneecaps when she uses it

[@sebaschan-uwu]

Lyn is more unique as a sword and bow master instead of being another nomad trooper.

[@FIFAmusicMAN]

“You do you. It’s your game” Words we always love to hear. Thanks as always for a great video! Love these high quality scripted works & appreciate all the hard work that goes into them!

[@RedRyuSmash]

Very well done video. As a Lyn fan even I admit that while she is usable hector hard mode really does show that the game works against her strengths. Still love her but even I will admit she has large short comings. Your FE6 Lyn run shows that a game can make a difference for a unit in fire emblem.

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

That's why you couldn't see a lot of use for Guy, Karel, and Rath in FE7 is because of this glaring issue too.

[@MrMarket1987]

I get that the games can only be so generous with starting stats, but Lyn always felt especially disappointing when we're expected to believe this is a pure survivalist Sacaean forced to live largely on her own and train on her own with little aid. Florina, a timid but legitimate Pegasus Knight of a prestigious realm, counts on her skill and resourcefulness as well as her courageous demeanor whenever threats popped up. Lyn really feels like the type to have at least an extra half a boost item's effect in every stat of hers than what she actually starts out with, along with the "Afa's Drop"'s worth in growths added to assure her strong points don't get RNG screwed and her weaker stats have an extra point or two longterm on average to keep her from losing her momentum. She really should be a pretty robust woman if Lundgreen thought plain dwellers are such savages worth his irrational ire and Rath was considered "one of the good ones" by a noble that didn't take kindly to their kind except his exceptional skill and leadership. Instead her starting stats are way worse than PRINCE Zephiel's as an NPC.

[@nathankeel6667]

I would not say feeding a bunch of boss kills to lyn is really favoring at all because like you said she was good at them like rutger and most of the time the average playier would probley give a boss kill to a unit who needed it a bit more then someone like rutger who can pretty much just perform well without help once he promotes

[@winsonzhu4427]

Honestly it felt like he just decided to drop Rutger for Lyn, which imo feels kinda like favoritism, but then again she was able to fulfil a similar function once she got going and then some due to bows and res. Considering how good Rutger is, I think it's still safe to say she's much better in fe6 than fe7.

[@AlexT7916]

@@winsonzhu4427 Yup , Lins biggest problem in FE7 is just the sheer number of enemy scrubs with lances

[@maltheopia]

@@AlexT7916 Also the fact that she has questionable durability in the most enemy-dense game in the series, even moreso than FE5, FE10, and Birthright.

[@Rengor1997]

"Lyndys' Legion and Greil Mercs are the only groups like that I can think of" 7th Platoon enjoyers assemble

[@VanguardJohnson]

I feel like Mekkah overlooked Celicas team and Alms

[@ckenshin3841]

It seems like Lyn's major problem stems from late promotion. Cause she was having trouble even in the early game of FE6, but it wasn't until she got the huge boost of the Blade Lord promotion that she was able to begin to develop into a better unit.

[@lenlimbo]

The speed bad rng didn't help either. That's actually the first time I've seen a speed screwed Lyn. Every time I've played Blazing Blade, she was MUCH faster than Mekkah's Lyn in Binding Blade. I mean, I knew it was posible, but it is the first time I've seen it. Given, I like her, so I tend to give her the Afa's drop, so she ALWAYS maxes speed for me, but even prior to that she always has maxed her speed while a pre-promote.

[@armourslayer8942]

Wow, the video looks amazing, props to the editor Davis Gagnon^^ Also half an hour analysis on Lyn's utility in FE6? This definitely should go in the "Best of Mekkah" playlist!

[@ElutPesto]

The production value on this is excellent, absolutely worth the wait! Was so excited when I saw the tweet lol

[@GIR177]

And in this video, we'll be covering these competitive formats.

[@wouterW24]

Average stats link arena capped stats link arena iron weapons link arena(why)

[@upbeatcamp1482]

SOMEONE MENTIONED FALSE SWIPE GAMING I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED

[@Tuffkid42]

Dude this video rules. Thanks for all the work that went into making this!

[@VanguardJohnson]

Lyn from Gen 7 to Gen 6 went from PU to UU

[@bagfaceman1656]

Someone's been watching False Swipe Gaming

[@athath2010]

​After watching this video, some of you might be wondering: What about FE8? How well would Lyn work there? Well, good news! You can find that out for yourself: Eirika and Lyn have nearly identical bases and growths. Lyn's (Lyn Mode) Bases: HP 16 | Atk 4 | Skl 7 | Spd 9 | Lck 5 | Def 2 | Res 0 | Con 5 | Mov 5 | Aid 4 Eirika's Bases: HP 16 | Atk 4 | Skl 8 | Spd 9 | Lck 5 | Def 3 | Res 1 | Con 5 | Mov 5 | Aid 4 Lyn's Growths: HP 70% | Atk 40% | Skl 60% | Spd 60% | Lck 55% | Def 20% | Res 30% Eirika's Growths: HP 70% | Atk 40% | Skl 60% | Spd 60% | Lck 60% | Def 30% | Res 30% The Mani Katti also shares its weapon effectiveness targets (horses and knights) with Eirika's Rapier. Eirika is just Lyn trying to sneak her way into another game. Bonus: Lyn's Promotion Bonuses: Bow Rank: D HP +3 | Atk +2 | Skl +2 | Spd +0 |Def +3 | Res +5 | Con +1 | Mov +1 Eirika's Promotion Bonuses: Sword Rank: +70 wexp HP +4 | Atk +2 | Skl +2 | Spd +1 | Def +3 | Res +5 | Con +2 | Mov +2 Movement Type: Mounted Admittedly, the Mov, Canto, and Weapon Type differences after promo are actually somewhat significant (as is Eirika's lategame Prf weapon, Sieglinde), but their stat gains from promoting are still scarily similar and both Eirika and Lyn both have promotions that come relatively late into the game.

[@DiogoJ1]

Anyone does good in Sacred Stones. Everyone. The game is ridiculously easy even on difficult mode.

[@sebastianlucas704]

Never knew they were that similar.

[@christianlangdon3766]

Will say that mani katti is way better that rapier higher crit, and damage makes it supior Erika is at her worst when she can't contribute, and that is a lot of times when she can't. Lyn would be able to contribute at the very least in offence. Erika also having a horse and better weapon I think is a moot point toward her favor. Movement for her is just speeding her ability to get herself killed or seize faster but you could rescue her instead. But her promotion also makes this more difficult. sigline makes her able to contribute to a combat like once or twice it isn't steller and your ch 16+ for this to be relevant vs the better mani katti. And Lyn would get range making her able to contribute safer while being easy rescued vs Erika. Now they probably are remarkably similar in the midgame where each of their weaknesses shine throughout.

[@christianlangdon3766]

@@DiogoJ1 I mean there are plenty of ways to make the game more difficult, from increasing enemy growths and such. Disallowing grinding and such not using Seth, etc. You can be surprised what kind of curbs the game can do as soon as you try to not snowball the game like it wants you to do. It also is meant to be replable vs many emblem games before it, fe6 can be a slog to get through because it's so long and difficult. Fe8 due to the different premotions and and ease of difficulty that still ranks pretty high as formontis isn't impossible but his ai can screw a player on a odd chance. Difficulty also doesn't do anything for games if your going to reset anyways so long maps and difficulty lined with rng can make you reset a the map taking several hours. Fe8 has at most three to four maps that are that long without playing optimally. So restarting isn't even that punishing.

[@DiogoJ1]

@@christianlangdon3766 Honestly the game is so easy, that I would be suprised if one who played the game enough times would ever reset.

[@misterbadguy7325]

Really, I think the issue with Lyn's support partners being kinda wack is funny, because one of Lyn's best traits in vanilla FE7 is that it's very difficult to get a team where she can't support anyone. If you wanted it fully, you could have it look something like... - Roy for Eliwood - Lilina for Hector - Shanna or Thea for Florina - Shin for Rath - Allen for Kent - Wolt for Wil - Douglas or Barth for Wallace Which I think is a pretty solid set of partners.

[@flint8291]

(ignore this, I had misinterpreted the comment and sent a strange reply)

[@voltron77]

Lyn could just support with lilina as she is her mother

[@rRecoveryProd]

If Lyn isn't Roy's mother.

[@spiderzsonic6581]

Or Sue's mother

[@ChromeBirb]

Literally came here from the stoutland video, nice

[@TheSmithPlays]

Dude this video was a masterpiece!!

[@KEZAstraYT]

Didn't expect to see you here

[@ModernMind18]

If this leads to Lyn in the FE6 remake I’m blaming you

[@swinelias]

This may seem a bit off-topic, but I like how you choose "Hubris" from Soul Calibur 2 at 7:59. I'm just saying because one of the characters that appear there, whose name is Xianghua, has the same english VA as Lyn, Wendee Lee. Not only that, the song "Hubris" is used on what's basically Xianghua's (and Mitsurugi's) stage (at least on the character profile mode), so I found that kind of detail nice. Other than that, I also really like the video. It goes to show how some characters can do better in other games than the one where they came from (Ex. Roy).

[@OGRadion]

Just wanna give a shoutout to the editor, I always enjoy listening to Mekkah's voice, but the little animations and overlays make it also a real pleasure to watch

[@StegDarkhorse]

This has been one of the most anticipated videos in a while for me. Glad to see it happen. Great job on the analysis and praise be to Davis for the editing work.

[@PipoZePoulp]

Damn... 3 Def at level 20. The promotion doubled her Def.

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

I really enjoyed this video! Actually Mekkah after the whole Mangs situations I left the FE community and didn't play or watch any content, it affected me that much. But it was your Lynding Blade series that got me back into FE but also your channel. I've rediscovered my love of FE because you and for that I am thankful :)

[@finallyjames]

"Mangs situation"?

[@Bot-77385]

@@finallyjames mangs sexually harassed another FE content creator and got canceled. It was pretty gross.

[@patrickkenneally3016]

If there ever is a Binding Blade remake, it’d make so much sense to add Lyn.

[@valemontgomery9401]

From a pure financial standpoint, Nintendo would be burning money by NOT including her

[@ejinathan]

@@valemontgomery9401 lyn would be like 20 yrs older....

[@valemontgomery9401]

@@ejinathan and?

[@ejinathan]

@@valemontgomery9401 you want old Lyn?

[@TrueBladeSoul]

@@ejinathanwell considering she’s actually pretty young she’d be mature not old

[@reyofsoul]

Very nice video, a lot of data compacted neatly in an easy to watch format ! Also, the GBA battle phase sprite are so good ! I never get tired by those.

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

This is some amazing editing :o Well done Mekkah!

[@MG-510]

Props to your editor he did a great job👍 great analysis as always🙌

[@shinjihirako8304]

She's my favourite lord out of the three, I remember the day's when she swept all the enemies in my playthrough with minimum effort, she lacks defence compared to the other lord but her avoid is so high she rarely gets hit in my playthrough.

[@budgetproductions1178]

If lyn was in FE6 it would be quite ironic for her to kill zephil considering she was one of the people who saved his life during the assassination attempt when he was still a prince. For zephil it would be like seeing the former hero be the one to kill him.

[@jj48]

It's kind of funny that she spends so much of her game sword-locked, and then Fire Emblem Heroes decided that we need to have a Lyn alt for every single weapon possible.

[@thunderjolt69]

Now you need to play Fe7 with Bors.

[@jonathanabgrall6075]

She's a super Myrmidon. So basically, if you have a decent strength on her to go along her virtually guaranteed high speed and skill. She's great. If you don't, she's just a mage killer. I do think giving her access to bows before promotion could have been a decent way to offset some of her downsides. Just cap her proficiency to D or C (prevent her from accessing killer bows basically) so she can't outright replace real archers. Could had done the same with Eliwood with Spears. (Hector doesn't need a second weapon he already doubles as a fighter+knight, why he's by far the best of the three).

[@Laezar1]

Another issue of lyn is that her death is a game over, which isn't a big deal if you're planning to reset when a unit dies, but if you don't you really don't want to risk her. That makes her even worse as a dodge tank because the weakness of dodge tank is that they can just die if you're unlucky which is fine you'll usually avoid those situations but if you're in a very bad position you might take some risk which will payoff more often than not. But if the cost of bad luck is failing the chapter you can't really take the risk and might leave a unit who could have survived left to die to ensure lyn does not die. This isn't as much a problem with a character like hector because more defensive tanks are more stable and predictible in how much they can take.

[@bobross3773]

I loved the editing! Great video as always Mekkah!

[@GaIeforce]

27:10 : Well, there's also the Wo Dao that you could get from Fir in the Western Isles arc, too, which also doesn't weigh her down. I find it interesting that you didn't talk about it, as Lyn's classes are supposedly a Myrmidon/Swordmaster class type. Not that it actually changes much in the grand scheme of things, but it was worth bringing up.

[@Mekkkah]

Yeah, Wo Dao's good. I don't remember if I ever put it, or considered putting it on Lyn. It might've just slipped my mind during the playthrough.

[@MugenAeternum]

I’d love to see this as a series!

[@ameliasmith858]

The first time I ever beat blazing blade (or any fire emblem game for that matter), I used Lynn as my only attacking unit. It was one of the hardest challenges I've done in fire emblem since in a lot of the later levels I had to bring along Eliwood as well. As someone who knows Lynn I am forced to agree with your assessment despite the fact that I'd much rather use her than most other objectively better units. I really needed to pump her def. (which afa's drops helped with a lot). I do however think that her high skill, although not as high as some others makes her more worth it.

[@shikikankillzone4239]

My iron man run resulted in Lyn having MORE strength than Hector until the 3 last chapters when they got even, what the hell were those two rolling, lmao

[@microwavedtoast1821]

I just finished playing FE7 after it got ported to gba online. Lyn was the ONLY unit that could damage the fire dragon and survive the counter attack. Without her, I wouldn’t be able to beat the game. She will always be my favorite lord because of that

[@louiealbertvaldez755]

Lyn was also the only one that can avoid most of the time from being shot by bolting and other magic bosses in the game. I got a lot of uses out of her after her promotion in the normal mode of eliwood story.

[@ScubaLuigi]

right after stoutland dropped

[@sirwolfy9372]

I like Lyndis because she is a MYRMIDON WITH AVOID AND VERY GOOD STAT BONUSES.

[@KyuuStarr]

It’s worth mentioning (surprised Mekkah didn’t mention it) that Lyn’s bases in this playthrough were the worst possible version of her bases; the bases used were her Lyn Mode bases not including her guaranteed perfect level up in the Prologue.

[@DD151]

Her prologue level up is not fixed when playing Lyn hard mode though.

[@KyuuStarr]

@@DD151 Ah, didn’t know that. Isn’t it still guaranteed as long as you don’t burn any RNs?

[@Mekkkah]

If you and I both make the same moves with in our games, taking care to never draw our arrows in a way that burns different amounts of RNs, then yes, we will get the same level up. But that is the case for the whole game.

[@Mekkkah]

But yes, if I used Lyn's Hector Mode bases instead, she would be much better, and this was what I initially had. But it didn't seem fair for Lyn to start at level 4 in Chapter 1 while the other units there all start at level 1.

[@KyuuStarr]

@@Mekkkah oh definitely, I’m just surprised it didn’t come up in the vid

[@seanfulldark]

I haven't watched the let's play but I have a mental image of Lynn responding: " you were such a cute little baby when I babysit you!" hector's daughter blushing. " and you were such a terror with ant florina! If it wasn't for your magic affinity I was afraid that you would just steal horses especially the flying ones." giving that stern look.

[@MormonDude]

You should get a portrait of an older Lyn to fit with the game being further down the timeline.

[@absoul112]

21:22 I love that chibi Jeigan can fill in for Marcus.

[@SourceOfBeing]

Something I've wondered about for a long time are which characters that are "bad", would be "good" if they were in a different game?

[@tfdbalgrif9857]

20:19 I saw that!! Very INTERESTING maneuver there.

[@sirwolfy9372]

I am late 5 months but I saw a video today of how the 3 lord's of FE7 handles into the Arena until they die. Lyn won, Eliwood second and Hector got only 4 kills while the others got 10+ kills, Hector sure got them easily but got killed just as quick.

[@bossrosslp]

Good to see Lyn putting in work :3 You just know if FE7 ever gets remade, the designers are hyper buffing the gal given her Heroes popularity. But I think what this exercise demonstrates is, Lyn is a flawed character in a rather unfortunate circumstance in FE7. While still flawed in 6, her qualities as a combat unit get to shine a little more. My hope is that they wouldn't go overboard and make Lyn some solo army badass that invalidates the others based solely on popularity, and rather they take the time to explore unique gameplay tweaks to make her a fun option that isn't busted.

[@lenlimbo]

She is definitely getting that Mulagir as her own legendary weapon, and probably a 15% extra crit when she promotes. The Sol Katti may get a buff too, with a reduction of weight.

[@bossrosslp]

@@lenlimbo I'll be honest, if they don't buff that lame-ass """dragon slayer""", I'd be stunned :3

[@lenlimbo]

@@bossrosslp Just making it as "heavy" as her sister sword would fix a lot of problems, seeing how the Sol Katti weights FOUR times as much as the Mani Katti.

[@melthework4511]

The editing on this video is impeccable Mekkah, fine work

[@haveagoodday7021]

This was super interesting. Will you possibly try to see how other lords work in a different game?

[@Mekkkah]

Maybe? If I find someone else who's just as interesting in another game.

[@noukan42]

@@Mekkkah i'd consider shadow dragon for the forgeable Prf. Maybe someone like Eliwood or Eirika that get the horse on promotion.

[@Ceendru]

@@Mekkkah It’s a bit repetitive, but Eirika in FE6 would be neat. Or swapping Roy and FE9 Ike in some way, since I’ve seen that comparison a lot.

[@grannest5050]

@@Ceendru Eirika have almost the same growth as Lyn. But she get a horse and not a bow, and Sieglinde isn't stong aigainst Dragon's but monsters. So I think she should be just a bit less good, but maybe someone will make this hack one day we never know :)

[@athath2010]

​@@Ceendru Eirika in FE6 would be almost identical to Lyn in FE6. Eirika and Lyn have nearly identical bases and growths. Lyn's (Lyn Mode) Bases: HP 16 | Atk 4 | Skl 7 | Spd 9 | Lck 5 | Def 2 | Res 0 | Con 5 | Mov 5 | Aid 4 Eirika's Bases: HP 16 | Atk 4 | Skl 8 | Spd 9 | Lck 5 | Def 3 | Res 1 | Con 5 | Mov 5 | Aid 4 Lyn's Growths: HP 70% | Atk 40% | Skl 60% | Spd 60% | Lck 55% | Def 20% | Res 30% Eirika's Growths: HP 70% | Atk 40% | Skl 60% | Spd 60% | Lck 60% | Def 30% | Res 30% The Mani Katti also shares its weapon effectiveness targets (horses and knights) with Eirika's Rapier. Eirika is just Lyn trying to sneak her way into another game. Bonus: Lyn's Promotion Bonuses: Bow Rank: D HP +3 | Atk +2 | Skl +2 | Spd +0 |Def +3 | Res +5 | Con +1 | Mov +1 Eirika's Promotion Bonuses: Sword Rank: +70 wexp HP +4 | Atk +2 | Skl +2 | Spd +1 | Def +3 | Res +5 | Con +2 | Mov +2 Movement Type: Mounted Admittedly, the Mov, Canto, and Weapon Type differences after promo are actually somewhat significant (as is Eirika's lategame Prf weapon, Sieglinde), but their stat gains from promoting are still scarily similar and both Eirika and Lyn both have promotions that come relatively late into the game.

[@nothankyou4859]

been following you for a very long time mekkah, and this is one of your best videos yet! great job! love the use of soul calibur music too :)

[@arcphage1636]

She would be amazing in Dark Deity, she won't suffer the late game promotion issue, and speed stat is king in the game. She loses access to bows if she were to be copy and pasted into the game but shed basically be an evade tank with great resistance to magic and that's a top tier unit right there

[@TheValiantBob]

I wonder if there are any characters that are the opposite of Lyn. Where they are dominate in their original game, but if you ported them into another game they'd be bad, or at least not as good as they originally were.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I mean any classic game into a modern one, because of the power creep growths have received. Besides that. FE 6 Marcus is probably the most notable. 6 Marcus has pretty bad overall stats, but what he has going for him is early game accuracy. Other Jagans are helpful early, but FE 6 specifically has Marcus being nearly essential because of the accuracy. Outside of FE 6, he's just a very very anemic Jagan. Athos is another interesting case. Athos is a weird unit in the context of FE 7, because he CAN reliably beat the final boss by himself, unlike a lot of Gotohs that actually can't, they just help a lot. Because Athos can, this has knock on effects for your team building. "Growth" units like Raven become worse, because you don't need their late game performance for the game's ultimate stat challenge, which means Athos is performing for your army before you get him. You can just coast on units that are already good, like Marcus, Hawkeye, and Pent, without concern for how you're going to deal with the final boss. However, the Fire Dragon isn't especially strong on the whole, and Athos is largely scaled to it. In any other game, Athos performs like a normal Gotoh. Put Athos in Path of Radiance, and you still have to have an answer for Ashnard. And then any thief plopped into a game with buyable keys.

[@Nafets-C]

I love lyn's crit animation.

[@stormtrooperjon9212]

At 9:17 you mentioned getting the first Knight Crest (ideally for Sain or Kent), but actually!!! :D If you play Lyn hard mode, and feed Sain or Kent pretty much all kills, and you really don't mind getting one of them all the way up to 20, you can easily just have useless Wallace trade them the Knight Crest he has. I never, ever use Wallace because he's a slow moving piece of crap General. I usually train only Sain, and by the time I get to the final Lyn chapter, right before she captures the castle where Lundgren is, I have Sain promote. He's usually around level 12-14 which anyways is high enough, and there is even a Angelic Robe and Energy Ring that he can "consume" to give him a little more strength and HP before Hector Hard Mode starts :)

[@grannest5050]

Interesting challenge ! It gave me the idea to make a Binding Blade hack with the best version of every character archetype (like best Jagen, best fighter bro, just keeping the class and take the best character un all three game with the same class and level). I don't know if that interest you, but it's almost over !

[@davids3094]

update on this??

[@grannest5050]

@@davids3094 I've done it, almost entierly tested it. It's obviously lamer because far more easy, and it lacks of refinement, but it's working. I could publish it I Guess but I don't know where and who would be interested ...

[@rohrtv7471]

awesome vid! definitely going to try this edit of fe6 after my first casual playthrough :)

[@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner]

All that maybe needs to exist now is an "older" Lyn design specifically for this romhack

[@pearljaime2]

13:00 Kinda feels like "hey, (possible) mom. Look what I have here.

[@maltheopia]

0:50: I unironically feel that Lyn Mode was the best part of FE7. Not even in a 'damned by faint praise' way. I mean, yeah, the story is small beer and has little to do with the main plot. But, you know, I don't need a lot to keep me engaged. 'Orphaned nomad fights bandits, assassins, and corrupt soldiers to rescue her long-lost grandpa' is perfectly fine and while there's a little bit of stupidity in the story, most of it's caused by the rest of FE7.

[@lpfan4491]

The funny part is that Lyn Mode would qualify for top tier or at least high mid in the series storywise, if there wasn't the plotpoint of Lundgren randomly attacking castle araphen. Most of the games either barely have a plot or have some bigger moments of stupid in their plotlines that really hold them back.(With the exception of like the jugdral games and FE9)

[@206Sam]

If you enjoy it, thats good for you! Lyn mode, objectively, is a 10-chapter long tutorial where every character is viable at base and every chapter is focused on one mechanic. It works in the context of "my first chapter of FE ever" and falls flat for everybody else. The plot is straightforward enough and especially the gameplay is unengaging.

[@maltheopia]

@@lpfan4491 Ursula just letting Ninian and Nils go was also really, really stupid after we found out just how important they are to the plot. We rag on Ephidel for his laziness but it's not just an Ephidel-thing in the Black Fang.

[@lpfan4491]

@@maltheopia Well, that is moreso an issue with the mainstory than Lynmode.

[@maltheopia]

@@lpfan4491 Even the parts of Lyn Mode that I think are kind of dumb or underexplored could be fixed with like a day's worth of script rewrites. It's not like the main story that needs to be completely rewritten from scratch. I also think that it would be a good idea for Lyn Mode to have FE4/FE9-type supports where you get an automatic promotion to C-rank (and unique dialogue for the mode) after using the 'Talk' command. I mean, I think supports should've always work like that, but if there was one Fire Emblem game that needed that it was FE7.

[@matteoschiro7710]

The Mystery Dungeon sound effects hit different.

[@tostisgood]

It is vindicating to see an old favorite given the opportunity to demonstrate their worth in a context that lets them do so to the fullest. Thanks, Mekkah.

[@coreypunch424]

very enjoyable video mekkah!

[@Zombie1Boy]

Now see how good Lyn is in Thracia 776.

[@ferintown6628]

Maybe this will finally make me be able to finish fe6 I’ll try it out!

[@LiottCross]

Saw the entire series this year it made me really happy... Luv u Mekkah ❤

[@charlieal2jr]

Great vid, loved the experiment. Keep making more!

[@lucas13flu]

Great vid, really funny edits too 😂

[@romram7984]

Honestly it's funny that she has the ability to use bows in her promoted class but until recently and it's crazy how I missed this in my playthrough, I would have thought the game would say "this unit can now use this weapon" when she upgraded but I must have just missed it.

[@Hanesboi]

It's funny how many people just came from the Stoutland video

[@conradkorbol]

Stoutland video?

[@tastyfren3762]

@@conradkorbol False Swipe Gaming analysed how well Stoutland did in competitive pokemon.

[@villageflippinidiot]

I think Lyn as a nomad trooper could be a really fun playthrough as well. Or even gaining a mount on promotion.

[@c31l]

Blazing Blade was my first FE like many and remains one of my favorites. It still kinda blows me away to learn units I adore aren't nearly as good as I thought. Lyn always felt like a dps beast. Yeah, I had to advance her carefully at times, but it seemed like any enemy that she faced had been sentenced to death.

[@derkieselstein2862]

2:33 why is Claude at the bottom of the tier list?

[@lefthandedscout9923]

4:06 Me with my most played game in the series being FE12 Lunatic: First time?

[@TBoneTony]

Sadly we never got the Fire Emblem game where Lyn was a really good and effective character, that was the game released just before Smash Bros Melee on the Nintendo GameCube. In fact, the Binding Blade would have been good for Lyn

[@vincentmatamoros1757]

could just be a personal thing, but my lyn consistently dodgetanked hordes on enemies, even ones with lances, and I could basically stick her in a forest and watch the enemies disappear. Although because if this she would usually get more exp and be much stronger than my other units (she hit level 20 about 10 chapters before she promoted) so that definitely helped in her dominance.

[@kirby2567]

Further to this, stick her on forest + unequip her sword so lance enemies don't get the bonus hit rate against her, she's a surprisingly efficient distraction.

[@Roge9]

Good video mekkah!

[@casualjacob776]

Your two Lyn videos are two of my favorites and pretty much the origin of WAIFU. This was a fun video! absolutely loved it

[@dashhuber2901]

The first time I played FE7, my Hector got str, and spd screwed. Eliwood was just a bit above average. My Lyn on the other hand was insane. Maxed, Str, Spd, Skill, HP was at 32, and def and res were at 15. This was base class with no items. The RNG decided she was going to get 5+ stats every level. When she promoted, I burned my stat items, and she ended up capped in almost everything by the end. Was sad how low her Str capped once promoted. I don't reset for stats, which has come back to bite me a lot across all the games, but sometimes it creates surprises, that cause a lot of fun.

[@swagner7767]

It's interesting, I never really noticed that Lyn was a bit lacking offensively, because she was my dedicated "kill axe user" unit and I just never pitted her against lances. I kinda just chalked her being less useful than Eliwood or Hector to swords being worse than axes or lances, which I suppose still isn't untrue...

[@BillyRedWorld]

Awesome video! I'm rewatching your FE6 Lyn playthrough. I was keeping track of all Lyn kills but I might stop since it seems you got it covered and I didn't realize how crazy it would be tracking every single kill. A video of all her Levels and Boss kills could be fun though maybe I'll keep trying to time stamp those at least

[@joshuadelaughter]

I was introduced to the series with FE8. But a few years ago I started playing the older games and they blew me away. FE7 especially is just sooooo good.

[@lupvirga]

i think lyn would be find if they didn't nerf the troops or Removed the 3x effectiveness. This seems to bee an issue with FE7 Localization then anything.

[@davidbarlow5214]

Mekkah did you really put in that clip of Lyn with no weapons from the PVP vs Gwimpage? Showing off the galaxy brain strats 🥰

[@beegyoshi800]

I was genuinely surprised the first time I heard people say that Lyn was bad because she was basically like Rutger in my playthrough. I probably just got really lucky growths

[@3CharctersOrMore]

This was a great video. Also, I noticed how many Thracia maps they copy and pasted. I know this is the game after Thracia but man, it's literally the same map layout.

[@bo0ots427]

Really well put together analysis with some fantastic editing! Makes you wonder what other units could benefit from being put in a different game or scenario. Though I think Lyn's probably the most unique of them.

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

I'm sure you thought about it and decided it was better the way you did it but I wonder if having lyn with fixed growths in FE6 wouldn't have been a better test since most units can suck if they get RNG screwed badly enough or be great if they get blessed.

[@Mekkkah]

In hindsight I think the memes about Lyn being slow and high res were too funny to not do fixed growths. Plus I can't do fixed growths for just Lyn, it would be the whole cast, and I like a little bit of variance in my LPs.

[@Ricardo7250]

26:56 Damn that editing

[@ShirokazeKaede]

I have to ask after watching this and playing the hack; has anyone made a hack of FE7 that replaces Lyn with Bors? (I realize this would not be nearly as interesting as placing Lyn into FE6 but it would be at least a little bit funny)

[@Muuhiro1]

close to the heart. very interesting choice of words