Is the Shroud of Turin Real? Here's the BEST Evidence.

In this interview, I sit down with Jeremiah Johnston, renowned theologian and historian, to dive deep into the mysteries of the Shroud of Turin. Is it truly the burial cloth of Jesus Christ, or is it just a centuries-old artifact? There's been new evidence to come forth recently. But I'm not sure I'm convinced. Maybe you're not, either. So, I ask Jeremiah to provide the best evidence for (and against) the Shroud.
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[@stephenwalsh9265]

I don't need a physical "proof" of the resurrection God's word is enough.

[@davidmcbrine4527]

Good for you! Some people would be convinced by this evidence and stop sitting on the fence and come to Christ.

[@nancyjernigan5840]

God's word says the head cloth was folded separately! John20

[@davidmcbrine4527]

@@nancyjernigan5840 Exactly!

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

AMEN Stephen! If people can be fooled by a piece of cloth seeking signs wonders and relics they will not stand a chance when the anti-Christ appears 🤦‍♀️

[@stephenwalsh9265]

@@davidmcbrine4527 Actually people are saved by the spoken gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit not physical objects.

[@Sandra.shafer7]

If you listen carefully, he says that the blood marks are obviously before the resurrection took place, steeping all layers of cloth, the face image though is only superficial, and it’s not blood, (nor other known substance) that includes the beard. THAT is part of the evidence for the resurrected body, remember that the resurrected body will be in the glorified state, that means He would have had his beard again? In His glorified/resurrected body. Sounds like His body changed in the twinkling of an eye. Peace and grace to you.

[@tanjasmit7535]

Amen! What a time to live 😮 May He come soon to take His bride home!! Everything is happening now.... Revelation playing out! 🙏🏻💙🇿🇦

[@ari3lz3pp]

That is a beautiful way of looking at it. 🙏 Anything is possible by YHWH. Not to be gory....but I always just figured his beard was soaked in blood as well ....the earliest depictions of Yeshua Even show him as looking as a pretty average Jewish man as the Torah predicted of the Messiah. It was the Catholic church that corrupted his image to look more like their old paganistic gods. But the shroud could be his face after having been through what he was and I love your idea that it could even be during his transformation of his image. If I'm understanding you correctly. Either way it is wonderful for us to always have new ways to be in awe of Adonai! Much love to you!

[@Dominick7]

@@Sandra.shafer7 maybe that's part of why they say it actually moved like a strobe light.

[@onlyme972]

Dead bodies washed and prepared for burial dont bleed. Its just one of many known to have been made in the middle ages and still are displayed in churches.

[@cottagekeeper]

Melissa please do a follow up with your guest answering the questions posted here.

[@tonydeemusic3004]

Many of them were answered in this video.

[@cottagekeeper]

@@tonydeemusic3004and many were not.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@cottagekeeper Such as?

[@cottagekeeper]

@@beverlyhurd8556 Your comment to start with would be a good discussion about the facecloth being removed. Many others folks have good questions in the comments.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@cottagekeeper Well the facecloth, known today as the Sudarium of Oviedo, was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. That we know for sure by the stains on it. After Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought his body into the tomb, the cloth was removed and set aside. Because Jewish law states that anything with the deceased blood on it had to be buried with the body it was kept in the tomb. It was never put back on Jesus' body again.

[@marysfavs8180]

It's surreal to imagine that the blood on that shroud may literally be the blood that was shed for you and I. Thank you Lord Jesus for redemption and salvation.

[@wendyraptureready]

I agree, just like Thomas wanted proof.

[@junk3996]

you can be assured that His blood touched the mercy seat on the ark. that we can know

[@Tony-q1f]

Oh dear... where do you start with this ??

[@MultiSky7]

@@junk3996 Jesus (His body and blood) is the ark and the seat. 1 Cor. 1:23-25, John 20:12.

[@junk3996]

@@MultiSky7 your scripture references do not make any sense to the point you're trying to make. anyway, Jesus' body and blood are not literally the ark and the seat. the ark and the seat are symbolic of things and actually existed and have a need to be fulfilled in sacrifice. God is not an exception to His rules, He commanded Moses to build and construct everything in a way because thats the way it is for God in heaven (Heb 8:4,5) for Jesus to be considered the sacrifice His blood must have touched that seat, period, and i guarantee you it did. (you can listen to Ron Wyatt's testimony about this)

[@SarahRose64]

This is so fascinating! Thank you Melissa and Jeremiah for the conversation!

[@BethCJesuslovesme]

I think this was a great discussion! Definitely important to talk about because we never now what God might have preserved for us. I think it’s a good reminder that our faith is not blind. However, we should never direct our worship to any evidence. Our faith should also not depend on all of this evidence but only Gods word and the transformation that has happened in our lives. Evidence only builds on faith.

[@butterpecan5642]

Let's focus on being saints in the faith, persevering until the end

[@Orquet-qj2nf]

What does that mean? What does it mean to be a saint in the faith? Are you suggesting we ignore the shroud because that contradicts the nebulous term of being a saint? Are you suggesting we should study the shroud with vigour because having evidence helps with persevering in the faith? Are you ignoring the video entirely and making a random statement? I don't understand your intention of making this statement. When you tell people what you think they should be doing, how about a basic run through of your expectations? Then I won't have to add any assumptions to make sense of it. It'll make it a lot easier to tell you whether I agree or if I think you should go take a long walk on a short dock. Right now, the only assumptionless contribution I have is, 'That's nice."

[@Tony-q1f]

@@Orquet-qj2nf You sound like you need something nice to happen for a change ion your life. Maybe a nice hug and a warm smile will relax you a bit.

[@jessicalightwarrior7276]

@@butterpecan5642 Amen!!!

[@joyfulnoise6913]

The Lord speaks in many ways to His people and to those who are seeking. Some will come to Him because of this work. And some believers will be encouraged and rejoice in the amazing works of the Lord. It is a good thing, and the Lord is revealing truth. ❤

[@Tony-q1f]

@@joyfulnoise6913 It not a good thing. Its a hoax and it opens people up to all the other crap the catholics serve up

[@rinwesley3092]

They buried Christ’s body before nightfall because in Jewish timekeeping sundown is the next day, not sunrise, and that would have been the sabbath in which they were not to do any work since that was the Lord’s day. I don’t know where he’s getting “superstition” from.

[@TimothyFish]

Given the time at which they went to request the body, I don't think they could have buried the body prior to sunset. I think the crucifixion took place on Thursday, the body was buried after sunset of day, so we would be into Friday night, he was in the tomb all of Friday, all of Saturday, Sunday night and then he rose after sunrise, giving us three nights and three days in which he was in the tomb.

[@rinwesley3092]

@@TimothyFish You know...I think you're right.

[@MultiSky7]

@@TimothyFish Yes, He was crucified on Thursday and placed in tomb before the sunset (cca 6PM) - the beginning of Friday which was also a Sabbath day. There were 2 Sabbaths that week. Friday Sabbath, i.e. High Sabbath (John 19:31) and regular Sabbath. The tomb was literally sealed for 72 hours.

[@murph19611]

​@@TimothyFishthe bible is very clear on this point , repeated in the 4 gospels...

[@TimothyFish]

@@murph19611, what is clear is that they went to request the body at sunset. It doesn't actually tell us how long it took to discuss that decision, what documents, if any, had to be written and signed to authorize the soldiers to release the body to them, how long it took to walk back to the site of the crucifixion, how long it took to remove the body from the cross, how long it took to carry the body to the tomb. Sunset takes a while, but there is enough that they had to do that it seems likely that they were into night before they got it all done, even if they made their request at the very start of sunset. Let's say that their walking distance was one mile, to get them to the cross and then to the tomb. That's, roughly, twenty minutes of walking. Let's say that sunset takes thirty minutes. That leaves them with ten minutes to get permission, to take down the body, and to do some limited preparation for burial. Is it possible that they got all of that done in ten minutes? Sure. Is it likely, given their customs, that they would have put themselves up against such a tight schedule and even the leaders were considering leaving the body longer, which would have been a violation of the custom that they were trying not to violate by handling the crucifixion quickly? No. If the goal was to have a burial before sabbath, then a request for his body just thirty minutes before sabbath doesn't make sense. But a request thirty minutes prior to the day of preparation makes a lot of sense.

[@melindamercier6811]

Why I’m still a skeptic: Isaiah 52:14 says He would be disfigured to the point of not even looking human, Isaiah 50:6 states his beard would be ripped out, and John 20:7 is clear that there was a separate FACE cloth that COVERED his head (emphasized to dispute the argument that it was the strip of cloth used to keep the jaws closed) and that it was separate from the linens that wrapped around his body. Almost as if to preemptively negate the idea of this relic. There is also an absolutely shocking lack of blood on the shroud given everything that happened to Jesus.

[@annemurphy9339]

There is a separate face cloth that has been scientifically proven to have been on the same body, known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. I’m surprised how rarely it’s mentioned. There are also areas on the face where parts of the beard have been ripped out, which is discussed & described in various study notes on the shroud.

[@daveandersen6453]

Also it says that he was "marred more than any man". Doesn't say that he was not recognizeable.

[@clintpospichal6498]

I agree with you, I too am not convinced

[@cottagekeeper]

How long was Jesus on the cross I think much of His precious blood remained on the ground beneath the cross, even where He was flogged too. 😢

[@gabriellehoffman7572]

My question is, whether it is real or not, why is this being brought back into the public's attention NOW after it was intentionally buried in the 1980s? It's been hidden in the Vatican's shelves for DECADES and now, when Paris seems to brag that they're announcing the coming the the Son of Perdition, suddenly we're taking about material evidence for Jesus Christ. Is this God's evidence answer to His reality, or Satan's deception foe a coming Imposter? Asking honestly as a believing Christian.

[@SereniTy_Corner]

Yup. Studied the shroud myself a few months ago. I think the blood type: AB and the xray image are what really convinced me, among other things.

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

@@SereniTy_Corner Jesus was beaten beyond human likeness. Are you saying God is lying?

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

​@@EveLovesChristJesus where does it say that. Because I am pretty sure it only says marred more than any man. Not that he was irrecogniziable

[@SereniTy_Corner]

@@EveLovesChristJesus the Bible says he could not be recognized. Since you and I did not see him alive we cannot be the judges of that.

[@SereniTy_Corner]

@@anthonypolonkay2681 even so, since none of us saw him alive, how do we know whether the image was recognizable or not when compared to his human form?

[@wawabbit]

​@@SereniTy_Corner Only modern, corrupt versions say that.

[@Learnerofthings]

I doubt that Jesus would say “an adulterous generation seeks a sign” and then leave a sign.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

He did leave a sign, but it wasn't on a piece of cloth. He told the religious elites that the only sign He'd give them was being dead for a full 72 hr period.

[@sackettfamily4685]

That comment is out of context of the recorded conversation. It doesn't matter to this topic of the shroud.

[@chebbohagop]

Nice

[@joyfulnoise6913]

If you take that statement to its logical conclusion, then should there be no historical/archaelogical evidence of any Biblical event?

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

@@Learnerofthings Amen!

[@alexandriacolonialtours1269]

I think it's legitimate. We'll know for sure when we see the risen Jesus face to face. !!!!

[@christiansoldier1118]

Jesus paid the price - and left a receipt - Hallelujah!

[@davidmcbrine4527]

I like that!

[@Tony-q1f]

I get a receipt when I buy my groceries.

[@wendinorthcott925]

He bought us with a price… his life. He didn’t need to leave a receipt.

[@sharondoan1447]

@@christiansoldier1118 I’m being a bit slow here, but what was the receipt?

[@christiansoldier1118]

@@sharondoan1447 The Shroud - it was a play on words - price of his life and receipt 🙂

[@kimtate2285]

Great video thank you Melissa 😊

[@elijah5791]

This was an excellent presentation. It should stir the heart and inspire the faith of every Christian. Our God provided the world physical evidence which stubbornly resists and refutes all skeptical inquiries. This is providential and utterly awe inspiring! Thank you, Lord Jesus!

[@Tony-q1f]

Just like all the other Catholic relics, they keep the weak minded busy for centuries.

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

@@elijah5791 those who are filled wuth The Holy Spirit are repulsed by the deception 🤷‍♀️

[@michaeltiza232]

It's hard to get over how much the shroud looks like the 15th century painting of someone's son, that became the popular image of Jesus.

[@markb3786]

shhhhh. be quiet

[@michaelaratnam6517]

God became man... Why should we be surprised to find a few people who look like the man God became...??? There are pictures of Christ painted more than 1000 years before Cesare Borgia was even born!!!

[@bornagainsaint6923]

Borgia????!!!!!

[@wallywest001]

The Shroud of Turin is The Burial Cloth of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[@wipo3654]

John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. There are more biblical details in a video presentation/description on my channel. Click icon W to the left-top of this comment.

[@tobias4411]

It's a Medieval art, used as a forgery. Even the world's largest organization advocating for young Earth creationism, 'Answers in Genesis' (AiG) admits that Shroud of Turin in NOT an authentic burial cloth of Jesus. Deal with it.

[@doxieherblitz]

I thought the shroud was a fake because so many of the "Christian relics" are a joke. Then I looked into it, and now I'm 95% convinced.

[@SereniTy_Corner]

Yes. We can never be 100% sure, but this definitely stirs one's faith.

[@jimmoore9490]

Add the Sudarium to your 5% and now you are at 100%. Someone would have to fake both. And the flawed carbon dating dated the Sudarium at 750AD. The Sudarium has 120 blood stains that match the shroud. So how can this be? 100% now?

[@davidmeeks8431]

What. Christian Relics “are jokes” are you talking about? Just curious.

[@nickma71]

@@davidmeeks8431 Probably the idolatry items the church of Rome has. Or at least they claim they have.

[@phdjjj]

The face cloth is a "jaw band" ... important distinction.

[@ldwahl6678]

Great show next you can tackle the tilma of Guadalupe

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

If I were to have the Shroud and it's guaranteed to be real, I'd only use it to remind me of what Jesus went through and that He rose from the dead by the Power of the Holy Spirit of God Who now dwells in my heart right now. The cloth, unto itself, is not to be revered, but the Person of God Who entered flesh to Sacrifice Himself to save us from ourselves. It's like a picture you have in your wallet of your loved ones. The picture itself is not loved, but the picture reminds you of who you love. I'm glad I was not the interviewer here because I cried like 6 times throughout hearing what Jesus went through for us. I could not hold it together. So even if this was a fraud shroud, it is still helping us remember what Jesus went through for us. Love in action, not just word. :')

[@crazyman4985]

This. Evidences left from God is wonderful, but by no means replaces the Gospel or is to be worshipped as it is a CLOTH. Many Christians are like threathened in unhealthy fear of this cloth like it's an attack on the gospel or something.. smh

[@davidmeeks8431]

Revered, yes. Worshiped, no

[@314jph]

Pierre Barbet, a french surgeon, wrote a great book that has been translated into English, A Surgeon at Calvary. Pints of Aquinas does a great in depth (2.5 hrs) podcast talking about the provence and all of the science to disprove it. Includes the carbon 14 data study from the 80s. They used a repaired section from a repaired section, called french weave. The podcast includes the fact that we STILL can't replicate how the image was created. The image's only really visible in negative, and is not any man-made method. It's worth a look.

[@wendyraptureready]

I suppose the shroud survived all these years for the "doubting Thomas's"

[@ari3lz3pp]

As a believer these sort of things also are exciting to me and bolster my faith. The Sea of reeds versus the Red Sea...... The idea that the waters were 6 ft is not good enough for Albert Lin but back in a time when people were shorter on average compiled with the muddiness of the waters and the land and the heavy chariots and chaos.... Plus rushing Waters when most people if not everyone there could not swim. It's plenty and when you consider environmental change that the waters could have been even deeper. That Adonai created that natural phenomenon and allowed it to still be observed to this day for us to marvel in. It's a gift to doubting Thomas's indeed, and those who also have strong faith but enjoy observing these kinds of things. And I just hope that people who are doubtful do not get in their own way when they see these things and that it does help lead them back to the glory of Yahweh.

[@300mphmartyr]

only God knows. maybe He’d share with you.

[@ByDesign333]

Commentors finding this as a thing to encouraging souls to be doing idol worship; would they accuse God of tempting ancient Israel for reverencing the items from Moses' and Aaron's artifacts of divine involvement? I saw the wrong in Roman Catholic idolotry via "relics"; but God DOES give us physical evidences when he so chooses. You should think first what youre doing ppl. To some of us, the Scriptures plus creation/life is plenty enough.

[@daveandersen6453]

There's no implications in the video that it should be worshipped as a relic. It is presented as evidence for the resurrection. Very different from idol worship

[@rinwesley3092]

Please learn what idol worship really means instead of spreading your irrational bias.

[@honeybun3492]

Do you think Christians commit idolatry with crosses? Like wearing them, hanging them up, praying looking at them, etc.?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@honeybun3492 Wearing crucifixes, hanging them up, and praying while looking at them is idol worship. None of these customs are promoted in the Bible, and all of those customs come from the Tammuz cults like the crucifix itself did.

[@MultiSky7]

@@daveandersen6453 Read the comments. People are accusing other people (who defend the evidence) of idol worshiping. So bydesign has a point. I am not an idol worshiper nor do I "venerate" Mary or the saints (to be honest - I can't stand it), but what we see in the data, concerning shroud, are provable (scientific) facts. That's what I am defending. I don't need anything to feel connected to Jesus, let alone shroud, but there are many entities (atheists, globalists, ecumenical pope and woke churches) and claims that shroud is a "middle age forgery" are benefitting their game, cause they have everything to lose if shroud is proven legit. John 14:6. That's what I am defending.

[@BtotheeB]

Also watch KZbinr Metatron’s take on it. He’s hyper intelligent and incredibly fair minded…

[@robertsandberg2246]

49:00: As a delivery driver for Sherwin Williams, I can confirm that paint indeed does not have a blood type.

[@stephenwalsh9265]

My question is why would the one who said "Blessed is he who has not seen and has believed" provide physical proof in this instance only and no others in all of Biblical history?

[@jessicalightwarrior7276]

JESUS SAID THAT TO DOUBTING THOMAS! Read John 20 for much more context. It's so good, you won't regret it.

[@stephenwalsh9265]

@@jessicalightwarrior7276 I have read it many times. The whole book.

[@sackettfamily4685]

I would point out how until very recently hardly anyone had heard of, let alone seen this. Many people did get to see things and believed, while others don't. It doesn't discount seeing evidence and then believing, but is making a point. That those whose heart believes in Jesus without seeing the "proofs" are more blessed. It would be a cruel thing to demand belief of everyone without a shred of proof. That would be impossible for many people, and how they're wired with common sense.

[@MultiSky7]

Shroud was left for nonbelievers (Thomas's of the world) not for believers.

[@mbb--]

Jesus said that to Thomas after He told Thomas to put his physical hand in the physical hole in His physical side

[@1960ARC]

Stop saying crucified criminal. Jesus was innocent!!! We are the sinful that he died for.

[@ari3lz3pp]

Ouch. Good point. I think he's trying to speak from an objective standpoint historically but I agree with you.

[@BranTheBald]

God sacrificed himself to himself for his creation that he regretted creating, your God is an immoral thug

[@jakester455]

Well he was convicted so yeah he was a criminal and also innocent.

[@1960ARC]

@@jakester455 the conviction of an innocent man does not make a criminal.

[@ayosunday802]

First to watch... first to like! God bless you sister!

[@aw6707]

Hubby's reaction to the blood type: "AB is the universal donor!" 😍 Edit: the error has been corrected as noted by my reply. The continued comments of correction are uneccessary

[@chiew-weichin3662]

AB is the univeral receipient

[@aw6707]

@@chiew-weichin3662 ah you are correct. Universal recipient for red blood cells, universal do or for plasma.

[@chiew-weichin3662]

@@aw6707 ah right 😃

[@joanf9303]

O is the universal donor

[@SereniTy_Corner]

o is

[@leechrec]

There is much more evidence of its authenticity than evidence against.

[@tarah8588]

I love seeing you cover this. A well renowned medical examiner that was in the county I grew up in had the privilege to study it. Every Good Friday he would provide information on it at one of the local Catholic churches. This was in the 80's and 90's. He wrote a book about the medical evidence of the shroud, Dr. Frederick Zugibe.

[@kevinrb9532]

The late Ray Rogers, a Chemist who was part of the STURP research team reluctantly admitted that the sample used in the C14 test was a repair, with cotton fibers that were not a part of the original shroud.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

True!! And his findings were published almost *20 years ago* and still to this day there are some mighty ignorant people out there who think that the Shroud dates to the middle ages! Talk about being behind the times! 🤦‍♂

[@chuckperschbacher2983]

The coins that were over the eyes show Pontius Pilate on them...

[@sticktrik]

Absolutely correct that the coins are from the time period that Pontius Pilate was the governor of Judea!!

[@heartofalegend]

When it comes to the shroud, the data speaks for itself. The more examination is done, the more a believer in it, one becomes. God could've kept the evidence for the resurrection confined to the pages of Scripture, but He didn't. The shroud is a gift and it's okay to embrace it as such, just like any other archaeological piece of evidence that substantiates the veracity of Scripture.

[@justjonoutdoors]

People scoff at circumstantial evidence - I was on a jury that returned a 1st degree murder conviction in a case where there was nothing but circumstantial evidence. To this day (several decades later) I have no reservations about that verdict.

[@lindadodd3829]

Shame. Ugh. Total distraction and new item to distract. AND THE PEOPLE LOVE IT SO. 😢

[@stephentaylor2051]

My question is why do why not have this relic mentioned in the Book of Acts, or the post-gospel scripture?

[@jameshogan6142]

It is mentioned in the gospels as the burial cloths.

[@stephentaylor2051]

@@jameshogan6142 yes sir I know this, but my question is why is not mentioned in the rest of the Scripture's. I am sure it would have been a very useful witness to the resurrection of Jesus. Because what other burial cloth would hold an image of a deceased person? None. So in my mind this would have been a powerful apologetic for HIs resurrection.

[@garbentan]

Nice strong evidences just in time for the hardest of times

[@Tony-q1f]

The hardest of times ?? Like we needed this right now to cheer us up.... an old bit of rag ???? sheeesh!

[@tobias4411]

The Shroud of Turin features a 3/1 herringbone twill weave, and is notable for its unique appearance involving the weft thread passing over three warp threads and under one. This type of weave is NOT known to have existed in the first century Middle East and is more consistent with medieval European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. So how can the Shroud be from the time of Jesus when this weaving technique didn't exist? Oops..

[@Tony-q1f]

@@tobias4411 At last. A real level of proper investigation and curious intelligence. Great post

[@tobias4411]

@@Tony-q1f Thanks. I've conducted extensive research on the Shroud. It's quite easy to dismantle the arguments of those 'shroudies' who are grasping at straws to reinforce their beliefs.

[@jeanniemcgruder1654]

Talk about the weaving NOT from century one please

[@davidmoran4506]

The fact the shroud bears evidence and was folded by the Lord, and left is Hebrew and Jewish custom similar to folding a napkin. It meant that the person was going to return. In like manner, Jesus was making a statement.

[@drrightlife]

See my comment for further evidence of what you are saying. People who claom the Shroud was used on the dead body of Jesus are totally ignorant and untaught of the original Greek manuscripts.

[@drrightlife]

Jsus died on Passover day, which was THURSDAY NOT FRIDAY! Notice that in John 20 it says the dead body could not be on the cross after sundown, BECAUSE THE NEXT DAY WAS NOT A USUAL SABBATH, BUT A SPECIAL HIGH SABBATH OF THE FIRST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, AS PER LEVITICUS. which is the DAY BEFORE the Special Sabbath of first day of Unleavened bread. To the Jews, a part of a day or night counts as a whole day or night. Jesus voluntarily died physically around 3 M, the 9th hour, so thatis day 1 Thursday, day 2 Friday (1st day of Unleavened bread, special Sabbath, day 3 Saturday the ordinary Sabbath... He rose from the dead before sunrise of Sunday, 1st day of the week. 3 DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, the Jews usually thought of a day as beginning at sundown to sundown, or nights and days. Sundown Thursday is one night, sundown Friday is night two, sundown Saturday is night three. We know this is the Truth case because of what Jesus Himself said, that he would be in the earth 3 days and three nights, and 1 Cor 15 confirms this.

[@messiahspeople]

Can you please give a verifiable reference for the alleged custom of the folded napkin?

[@jimmoore9490]

Sudarium of Oviedo,. 120 blood stains line up with the Shroud.

[@tobias4411]

Sudarium of Oviedo. has been dated to ~ 700 AD. Some historical context suggesting its existence as early as 570 AD, potentially due to oil contamination. Anyways, the dating together with the analysis suggests that it could not have originated from the time of Jesus. They also did Microscopic Examination and Chemical Analysis. The Sudarium has pollen from North Africa, not found on the Shroud which raises questions about their direct connection. Some researchers, like Janice Bennett, have pointed out the potential contamination of the samples used for radiocarbon dating, which could have skewed the results. However, this remains a point of contention. While there are numerous points of similarity between the bloodstains on both cloths, there is a lack of direct historical evidence linking them to Jesus. The Sudarium's documented history only begins in the 6th century. There are morphological differences in the "bloodstains" on the Shroud compared to Sudarium. These points form the basis of skepticism regarding the Sudarium as the genuine headcloth of Jesus.

[@jimmoore9490]

@@tobias4411 Man the AI bots are removing my posts again. Scared little demons.

[@tobias4411]

@@jimmoore9490 There are several reasons why comments on KZbin might get deleted, vanish, or reappear without an apparent violation of the platform's guidelines. There are no demons, hobgoblins, elves, fairys, leprechauns, gnomes, witches, ghosts, ghouls, spirits, genies, gods, angels, dragons, unicorns, giants, golems, cyclops, griffins, minotaurs, werewolves, sea goats, mermaids, mothmen, selkies, hydras, chimeras, nagas, sirens, gorgons, centaurs... Its all about mythology and folklore.

[@910iva]

​@@tobias4411someone took it to Africa and the radiation changes the date due to the blast

[@barryjtaft]

My hope is build on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus' name. On Christ the solid Rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand. All other ground is sinking sand. Christ alone, by grace alone through faith alone.

[@traciemcdaniel3660]

If this isn't seeking for signs I don't know what is? Christ crucified AND resurrection is the sign. Jesus did not say, your sign will become a piece of cloth. He said the sign will be like Jonah. 3 days in the belly & then spit out. 3 days in the tomb and then risen. Our faith relies on that. His resurrection.

[@mare_sheep9724]

Your comment doesn't make sense. Who is seeking? If something becomes apparent why not acknowledge that it is or could be which ever viewpoint one has? Your comment seems to indicate any archeological discovery confirming the statements in the bible are irrelevant. There are many people who have done research and studied and come to faith or had their faith encouraged because of findings in Israel. The specific comment (Matt,16:4 ?)about seeking for a sign is specific to context that should be closely examined. And Jesus. does indicate that the sign of Jonah will be given. And when Jesus started his ministry he came with signs and wonders and miracles to give evidence of his proclamation that He is the Messiah, the Anointed One. Another thought is that through out history most people were illiterate so had no way to read the scriptures for themselves. So having a visual evidence could have been God providing another way people for the past several hundreds of years could see that this man Jesus was the Son of God. It's so easy for us in our present time to forget millions of people have lived in vastly different cultures, circumstances and contexts than us.

[@traciemcdaniel3660]

@@mare_sheep9724 God's word doesn't change. To this day people think they need proof. They want evidence. Romans 1:20 [20] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

[@joemichener2337]

Can you put the links to the research he is presenting?

[@vaekkriinhart4347]

He's very convincing. What else could explain it???... ps. You never did circle back n talk about his height n weight like you said you would early on

[@wipo3654]

John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. John 20 5And stooping to look in, he [JOHN] saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, but he did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONION] lying there, 7and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION] but folded up in a place by itself. There are more biblical details in a video presentation/description on my channel. Click icon W to the left-top of this comment.

[@funk31624]

He talked later bout how a forgery wouldn't have painted a body that tall/long. Would have been much shorter. Not sure if he wanted to say more but he did bring up the height again

[@miradamevska5887]

Jerimiah, I have been a Christian all my life, albeit my many times falling off the wayside, but I too was a believer as a very small child and all I needed to know was that Jesus is, and that's all!

[@reepicheepsfriend]

I'm amazed at how belligerent some of the comments are here. I'm not Catholic, I have no interest in venerating or worshipping relics, and I'm still impressed and fascinated by the Shroud. Even if it's not Jesus' burial cloth it's still fascinating. Why do people react so negatively to this discussion?

[@justin10292000]

Spiritual Warfare

[@DingDong-h1v]

Because of the amount of absolute rubbish that catholics talk trying to make a fraudulent bit of cloth something it's not, it was carbon dated (by 3 independent laboratories) to roughly when it was 'found', there's even a french bishop claiming to know who the forger was. The question is the shroud authentic has been answered, no.

[@DingDong-h1v]

It's not spiritual warfare, it is reigning in Catholic bovine excrement

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@DingDong-h1v Those of us with even a tiny bit of intelligence know that the bishop's letter to the Pope was after a local artist, in a feeble attempt to make a name for himself, told him that it was he that painted the cloth. The bishop, being the gullible old fool that he was, took him at his word. Of course, they did not have the testing back then they do now, or they quickly would have discovered that there is not so much as a drop of paint, or any other manmade material on the image on the Shroud. The fact is that there are no pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. There are no chemical or physical methods known which can account for the totality of the image, nor can any combination of physical, chemical, biological or medical circumstances explain the image adequately. And those of us non-morons know that the ridiculous carbon dating was debunked almost 20 years ago. There's the real answer. Is the Shroud of Turin the actual burial garment of our Lord Jesus? You better know it. 👍

[@sticktrik]

Because the modern day Thomas’s still exist!!!!!!

[@kathierouse6046]

If anyone is interested in further study of the shroud, I highly recommend photographer Barrie Schwortz, a Jew who hasn't converted to Christianity yet, but has analyzed the shroud by his photography. He's very thorough. He founded the Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association (STERA). He lectures on the Shroud around the world. Another source on the Shroud is Russ Breault. 😊👍🏻👍🏻❤️

[@beverlyhurd8556]

I guess that you did not know that Barrie passed away from leukemia complications on June 21st of this year. A great guy he was. He will be missed. Rest in peace, Barrie. 😞

[@nancyjernigan5840]

I've commented to countless posts that his head cloth was 😢😢folded separately. 😢 I don't know how the shroud could be Jesus Christ 😮.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Those of us that are both intelligent and know the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the facecloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. After Joeseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought the body of Jesus into the tomb it was removed, folded, and set aside. It was never put back on him again. Had he been wearing it his image would be on there and not the Shroud.

[@username00009]

@@beverlyhurd8556and others (including the guest in the video) have pointed out that the facecloth was meant to hold the jaw closed. It wasn’t simply a separate cloth laid atop a person’s face.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@username00009 Those of us that know the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the facecloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. After Joeseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought the body of Jesus into the tomb it was removed, folded, and set aside. It was never put back on him again. Had he been wearing it his image would be on there and not the Shroud. And those linen strips were for binding the body during rigor and for securing the shroud to his body. He was _not_ wrapped up like King Tut!

[@kathleennorton2228]

I like the idea that the shroud of Turin is the receipt that says "Paid In Full".

[@2000dns]

The fact that the linen cloth was left in the tomb means that He will be back.

[@chebbohagop]

Thanks Melissa! Love your channel! That said, Even well done scientific research is incomplete until it is validated by corroboration. Do we have other published papers corroborating these works?

[@Buzz-rh4dz]

Sounds like an Idol to me

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Then you don't know what an idol is then. An idol, or a graven image, can only be made by man. Man did not put the image of Jesus on the Shroud- _God_ did. Try to keep that in mind, OK?

[@Buzz-rh4dz]

@@beverlyhurd8556 lol, an idol can be anything. Anything. You can make money an idol. According to the biblical accounts, an idol is anything that replaces or takes precedence over God, the one true deity. This definition encompasses various forms of worship, devotion, and reverence directed towards created objects, people, or activities, rather than the Almighty. Keep that in mind. Ok?

[@laughinghawk8522]

@@beverlyhurd8556 Uh, according to the Bible, we can make anxiety and depression idols so, there's that. Anything can be an idol when you allow it to somehow influence your faith.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@laughinghawk8522 Well, people worship their cell phones but they should not. And no one should worship the Shroud of Turin. I mean, why would they? We worship the man it once contained. Not the cloth itself.

[@laughinghawk8522]

@@beverlyhurd8556 Yes, a cell phone can be an idol. Yes, the shroud can be an idol. I wasn't knocking you. I was just pointing out that biblically, humans can turn anything into an idol, not that we should. Historically and religiously, Catholics are notorious for stashing "relics" they deem exceptionally holy and treat them as if they have power the same way they make their popes, bishops, and all other clergymen idols by elevating them above man.

[@suzanarozanadana]

Is anybody worried that these Frankenstei Scientists we have these days will try to do some shenanigans with the blood like cloning or hybrid

[@ReadersOfTheApocalypse]

now that you mention it... 🤔

[@kittenwiskerz299]

John 20:7 says that the wrapping that had been on Jesus' head was not with the linen cloths but was folded up separately. This single piece 'shroud' does not comply with the bible.

[@loveemotion4080]

There’s the sudarium of oviedo that matches the wounds and blood from the shroud.

[@solrac41604]

The video did mention that the Jews would often add an additional shroud/wrap around the jaw/face of the deceased to prevent their face from being in an open-mouth position. So it is possible that the main shroud covered his body while a smaller shroud was placed to secure his face on top. But that's just my 2 cents anyway.

[@bjqb1108]

@@kittenwiskerz299 yep

[@Dominick7]

You're confusing the Sudarium of Oviedo with the shroud.. this has been addressed a million times.. can't recall but it was either that the shroud covered his whole body, the head covering went over the shroud over his head or vice versa.

[@davidmcbrine4527]

Of course it complies with the Bible. As you said, there were two parts to the burial cloths. One for the head (sudarium) and the big main shroud which covered His body. The shroud of Turin is just the body covering. Your confused.

[@UMAKEMESMILESWACKIN]

YOU CANNOT FAKE WHAT YOU CANNOT MAKE

[@coolguybob]

What about how Isaiah says they plucked out his beard? He still has a beard in this image.

[@annemurphy9339]

Parts of the beard on the image have been ripped out, and appear covered by other parts of the beard. The details are recorded in study notes on the shroud.

[@CE4ResearchUFOtruth]

Even if it’s not authentic, it has done an incredible job of introducing the knowledge of Jesus Christ to the world.

[@brenmanock]

I was a Catholic and they really live their relics.

[@douglaspraskovich6178]

The Word of God mentions the Burial Clothes. They are Biblical: John 19:39-40, and John 20:6-7 Don't you think the Apostles would have kept the burial cloths that were lying in the empty tomb. The facial cloth is called the Sudarium of Oviedo and is located in Spain.

[@910iva]

Why did you leave?

[@makeupandtheology1821]

This is what kind of convinces me though. The Catholic church is quick to laud relics, and it seems almost anything is arelic, yet they never made the shroud an official relic.

[@silviosposito375]

There are by now a lot of arguments in favour of authenticity of the Shroud. The carbon dating was wrong - we now know - for many reasons; but one could simply think of this: how could have a medieval genius make such an artifact, a negative photographic image with three dimensional properties, when no one had just the idea of photography? And - overall - why a negative image, so faint, elusive and weak? Why not a positive one, only discovered by Secundo Pia in 1898? It would have been absolutely illogical, unusual but also impossible at the time.

[@pattiramirez6257]

Isaiah 52:13 to Isaiah 53, is clearly scripture about Jesus. Verse 52:14 makes a reference to his appearance after his scourging, "Like as many were astonished at thee (his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men)". This cloth does not give that impression at all.

[@dia8013]

if you take the Bible literal, then by following your logic, the Earth must be flat and square..

[@Orquet-qj2nf]

​@@dia8013 Don't forget round and footstool shaped at the same time as flat and square. Also, maybe mention idioms that don't translate very well and were never meant to be taken literally. But I'd have look at what happens to swelling after a body dies to say how much we should expect. I think I see a bit of it. The nose is crooked and the body is absolutely covered in cuts and that is certainly disfigured.

[@MultiSky7]

Have you any evidence of how Jesus looked like before He was crucified so you can compare "before" and "after" to claim what you claim?

[@pattiramirez6257]

@@MultiSky7 The verse referred to two areas, his face or visage, and his form or body. The verse said his face was so marred more than any man, or another way of saying it is his face was so beat up that the people were astonished at his appearance. I don't see that kind of disfigurement of his face, or form for that matter, in the cloth imprint. And there were two clothes, one that covered the face, which was separate from the one covering his body. So, I label this as a fraud, which is my prerogative to do. I used scripture to base my opinion on.

[@danielletracyann]

They have the face cloth too and it matches up and both have the same blood type as well

[@DBTL-j9c]

Melissa, you should talk to Dale. His channel is called Real Seekers. He's had a number of experts on his channel, both skeptic and pro shroud. He's probably got the most content regarding the shroud.

[@jaymoret7418]

Should do a show on the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe too.

[@renee1741]

If it weren't for us awful "C"atholics you wouldn't have the shroud available to you.

[@Pre-Trib-Rapture]

Jesus's body was buried with a linen cloth and his face wrapped separately with what the bible calls a linen napkin. The so-called Shroud of Turin is one piece, so it CAN NOT be what Jesus was wrapped in. John 20:6-7 "Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself." What people need to do is hype up that Noah's arc was found in Turkey in the mountains of Ararat like the bible says. The real mount Sinai was found in Saudi Arabia where the bible says it was. Golgotha where Jesus was crucified is east of the city of David on the lower part of Mount of Olives like the bible says. Lastly, we need to hype that the location of Solomons temple was in the city of David, just like the bible says. There is so much biblical and archeologic evidence of what I mentioned above that it's crazy it is being dismissed by most people.

[@jt06061]

@@Pre-Trib-Rapture why don’t you do a little bit of research. The Catholic Church also has the linen napkin which totally matches the blood stains and facial features as the shroud. I don’t need to tell you how the shroud shows his body to be wrapped but he was laid on half of a long linen cloth.and the napkin was used to wrap his head. then they used extra cloth to band his feet and hands together. Comparing the face cloth to the shroud of Turin, researchers have identified 70 points of correlation on the front of the face cloth and 50 on the back. Dr. Alan Whanger, professor emeritus from Duke University, used a Polarized Image Overlay Technique to demonstrate correlations between the two cloths. Also there’s no such thing as a pre trib rapture Heaven is not our forever home Earth is. At Jesus return to Earth the dead in Christ will come back with him to stay and live on earth. We’re not spirits having a human experience. That’s what the gnostics believed.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Those of us that are both intelligent and know the Bible as well as the Shroud know that the facecloth of Jesus was wrapped around his head after he died but was still on the cross. After Joeseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought the body of Jesus into the tomb it was removed, folded, and set aside. It was _never_ put back on him again. Had he been wearing it his image would be on there and not the Shroud. Is there any way possible that you can understand that? And those linen strips were for binding the body during rigor and for securing the shroud to his body.

[@wipo3654]

beverlyhurd8556 cannot provide any verse to give evidence for her claims. It's pure fantasy. From where she has the info that the head cloth was added on the cross and removed later? The burial sequence in the gospels is clear. But she can't read and understand some simple verses: John 19 39Nicodemus, who had previously come to Jesus at night, also brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds [32 KG]. 40So they took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths [OTHONION] with [META] the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom. 41Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. NOTHING was done in the rock-tomb. And the story of Lazarus shows that the head cloth IS NOT removed. John 11:44 44The man [Lazarus] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth [SOUDARION]. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”

[@bornagainsaint6923]

Sure they do! 😂😂😂

[@goodoleboy83]

@@jt06061 lol ya cuz the catholic "church" never does anything that is against scripture

[@jamiejaegel7962]

Get real! Who is worshipping the Shroud?the words worship and idolatry get thrown around like a cheap shirt to the point of no meaning. The ignorant use it when they don’t understand.

[@lo5182]

From the beginning of Christianity relics have played an important role in the life of the Church and the saints. Sola Scriptura is NOT TRUE. Long Live Christ the King!

[@jayjay-bz3rr]

The shroud is an apparition

[@tam4givin]

Just because we do not have any mention or proof things were not done to other people does not mean they were never done to other people! He is rattling fast without giving evidence! Does not even read the scripture he claims because scripture does NOT say what he is saying it says! 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@ChildOfGodSJ]

Look up the Hiroshima shadows!

[@trevorburns160]

If we need this to strength our faith,then im very sad for you,,true faith can only get stronger by believing the truth,

[@philyra8991]

Thank you for looking into this.

[@markbidinger55]

Visited it in Torino and the priest even admitted it was not real

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Oh BS. The Shroud of Turin is 100% real and there is no doubt about that. But unless you were there during one of the couple of times _per decade_ when the Shroud if shown then and only then would you see a facsimile.

[@sticktrik]

@@beverlyhurd8556You are responding to a modern day “Thomas” here!! …Someone will always be a doubter when you don’t have the holy spirt within your heart!!!!

[@racerx4152]

at the end of the gospel of john it says that jesus' body was wrapped with strips of cloth up to the neck, and there was a separate cloth to cover the face. no mention of a shroud. we know that if you wrap a shroud around the body of a person, the imprint would be uneven and make the body look fat. the shroud is a painting. just because we don't know exactly how it was produced, doesn't make it supernatural.

[@hambam7533]

scientist have used the lastest tech on it and they say no paint or stain on the shroud period its not painted in its not burned in its impossible for modern science to explan thats why have have not been able to debunk it or they would

[@Emet-Debar]

Exactly!

[@annnelson2044]

Interesting observations.

[@tonydeemusic3004]

The gospels (including John) never mention “up to the neck” so that’s a straight out “you’ve read into it” thing. The way the shroud is described to have been placed does not contradict anything that the gospels say was there. You can simultaneously have a shroud, a headpiece and strips of cloth and the Bible does not make it clear at all in which order they were placed. Just because a shroud is not mentioned doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. That goes for thousands of other examples in the Bible and John is one guy who even wrote that.

[@TimothyFish]

Don't go stating the obvious like that; there aren't grants to pay scientists to state the obvious.

[@ck2013rc]

There are two different photos. There is one with the film negative and one with the shroud itself. The negative photo is the one that brings the account of the crucifixion alive.

[@savedbygodsgrace1118]

The LORD God does not contradict Himself, and would not violate His own commandment. Exodus 20:4 (NLT) “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an IMAGE of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Only man can make a graven image. Man did not put the image of Christ on the Shroud. God did. Keep that in mind, OK?

[@TheElizabethashby]

@@beverlyhurd8556 PROVE IT

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@beverlyhurd8556 Seeing as though Jesus was the God specifically outlawed ANYBODY from making physical representations of Him, it makes no sense whatsoever to conclude that He'd contradict Himself.

[@tyowongndeso]

God made his own image, we are made according to his image.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@TheElizabethashby Wow you sound so far gone. You want me to prove that only man can make a graven image, eh? Well, do you know anyone _other- than a human that can make one?? Are you on some kind of medication or something? In a group home perhaps?

[@midimusicforever]

It seems to be legit!

[@davidpaul9961]

John 20:3-7 says what wrapped Jesus’ body and his head were separate, does it not?

[@nielgregory108]

details......be damned.

[@serifen888]

Yes, the cloth that wrapped his head was placed on him when he was taken down from the cross for transportation to the tomb. This cloth exists, the blood stains on it match perfectly the stains on the Turin Shroud, it is from the time and area of Jesus, and many more details. Research the Sudario of Oviedo.

[@davidpaul9961]

@@serifen888 but the shroud is one piece, is it not? So doesn’t that contradict one cloth for his head, and one for the rest of his body?

[@serifen888]

Did you receive my comment with the link about the Sudarium of Oviedo? It may have been blocked, because I don't see it.

[@davidpaul9961]

@@serifen888 I did not get the link.

[@johnwestervelt7454]

Absolutely and I've always been. I've never trusted those who claimed it wasn't simply based on the facts that they wanted to prove it wasn't, instead of trying to prove one or the other

[@stephenwalsh9265]

Incense huh? Burning incense as an act of worship is a common historical occurrence. Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

[@BenardoP]

Faith is the assurance* of the things not seen, not in spite of what we see but by the word of God which is accompanied by the evidence around it.

[@josefadario6593]

The Bible Custodians were also the Catholic Church for a long time..

[@Caleb-xf5yn]

I think I'm going to throw up.

[@germanmora7226]

totally true

[@ftldelay]

There are so many other details about the shroud that they didn't have time to touch on that further prove it's authenticity. This topic is well-worth digging into further as it will serve to further strengthen our faith in our risen Savior!

[@sharondoan1447]

It is troubling to think that people who profess to be Christians are clinging to the potential validity of a piece of cloth made by a human. This all seems contrary to a faith based belief in Salvation through Jesus.

[@MultiSky7]

@@sharondoan1447 "cloth made by human"??? Please, tell me that you are joking. Do you really want me to extrapolate your "logic"??

[@sharondoan1447]

@@MultiSky7 I think the whole subject about Holy objects is way off point. Does a chair our Savior sat upon become Holy because he sat upon it? Catholics have encouraged this kind of thinking from the beginning of Christianity. I reject the idea. And many others.

[@debbylou5729]

What difference does it make? It literally doesn’t matter

[@beverlyhurd8556]

The Shroud brought me closer to God. So it matters to me. A great deal it matters to me.

[@910iva]

It does. People say we have no proof of resurrection and this is close

[@azboldazalion1938]

It's a catholic thing, they love relics and items to show miracles and their faith, instead of just trusting in Jesus alone and accepting His grace. Ephesians 2:8-9.

[@wawabbit]

Yes.

[@sharondoan1447]

@@azboldazalion1938 You are correct. The Catholic Church believes that if you are not Catholic, God doesn’t even hear your prayers. You are nothing in the Kingdom of God. I once offered to pray for an individual who actually laughed in my face . She asked if I was Catholic. When I didn’t answer in the affirmative, she told me not to waste my time because God wouldn’t listen to me anyway. The arrogance was palpable.

[@marianneperry6924]

It's not a Catholic thing, it was kept by private families until the 1980's according to the video, they addressed your concern. I thought the same thing.

[@wawabbit]

@@marianneperry6924 Go further back...

[@azboldazalion1938]

@wawabbit yup thank you

[@EBlovesChrist]

I am still skeptical. I do think it is inspiring and this may help some reignite their faith. Seeing art depicting Jesus is moving.

[@eveclark1541]

Why all the fuss? Why does it matter? And isn't any regard to relics of any kind akin to idolatry?

[@rinwesley3092]

No. Regard is not idolatry.

[@michaelwittkopp3379]

My thoughts also. *_Even if_* it were authentic, I'd avoid it like the pest. It's pure unadulterated idolatry. It being held in regard is; ἀντί Χριστός. As in; some one, or some thing, replacing Jesus.

[@ByDesign333]

We can marvel over the written Canonical Holy Writ, and choose to worship the book or worship its author. Our choice.

[@melindamercier6811]

There’s no idolatry in being mildly interested in the topic nor in believing it’s real (which I don’t). Plenty of people still search for Noah’s Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, etc. It’s when people begin to worship it, find some significance in it other than historical/archaeological in it, and/or become obsessed with it that it becomes idolatry.

[@elijah5791]

Idolatry? Huh? You clearly don’t know the definition of the term. Idolatry draws us away from God; artifacts like this draw us to Him.

[@jol8992]

I'm still not convinced, His beard was pulled out

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Some of it was and the Shroud proves this. But no one gave Jesus a shave.

[@jublli2690]

This has been around for 2000 years even though protestants are just realizing it. Nobody is worshipping it. Veneration yes not worshipping it.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Venerating something is the same as worshiping it.

[@TimothyFish]

Veneration is just another word for worship.

[@MultiSky7]

And they never check the etymology of the words (veneration) they are using.

[@Shige2213]

@@TimothyFish If you honor your mother or father do you also worship them? You are told to honor Jesus the same way as the Father. Honor is honor right? US protestant nonense. Please slingshot a out of context verse

[@TimothyFish]

@@Shige2213, first, Jesus is literally God, so of course we should worship him. Second, when we honor someone, we aren't doing the same things that are done when people venerate something.

[@Chris-rf8is]

The first photograph ever taken in history was by God himself. Truly amazing

[@clintpospichal6498]

I don't need the shroud for proof of Christ being we have Bibles so if you read the scriptures and look at history you have no need of the shroud because at this point it's mostly guess work

[@Notevenone]

Have you listened to this video? The evidence is almost incontrovertible. Also the Shroud IS history.

[@maximpestsolutions3696]

Don't be a Shrouding Thomas 👍😇🔎. God 🙏 Bless ✝️💛.

[@e.m.8094]

I feel like I might be one of the only people who really doesn't care. LOL

[@jannmacdougall1448]

That is to sad it is clear factual evidence of the ressurection of our Lord and Savior, all He went through for us and the power of our God, He is alive❤

[@cindyherrera9294]

I know right? I have the word of God, what He said id true, I do not need outside proof!

[@nerychristian]

​@@cindyherrera9294All archeological evidence that supports the bible is beneficial for us.

[@crazyman4985]

I agree, for some reason i feel some Christians are like afraid of this being real, if we are true Christians we know not to worship a cloth, but how amazing our Lord leaves us little bits of evidence like this​@@nerychristian

[@kellylundblad2616]

It helps prove to skeptics the veracity of the biblical accounts.

[@kathyd456]

Thanks Jeremiah and Melissa! I really enjoyed this as it helped me recall my sense of wonder that I had as a 9 or 10 year old first hearing about it.

[@brendabeamerford4555]

NE GATIVE IMAGE Leonardo da Vinci messing around

[@SaudadeCB]

Shroud is proven historically to be prior Leonardo davinci

[@tobias4411]

​@@SaudadeCBNo. The Shroud of Turin features a 3/1 herringbone twill weave, and is notable for its unique appearance involving the weft thread passing over three warp threads and under one. This type of weave is NOT known to have existed in the first century Middle East and is more consistent with medieval European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century.

[@SaudadeCB]

@@tobias4411 I agree. Prior means before.

[@tobias4411]

@@SaudadeCB Yes, earlier. And it's a forgery.

[@davidanderson498]

The shroud is a photograph of the resurrection.

[@christopherdale1745]

I still don't quite understand how the shroud is evidence of the resurrection. Seems to me like it's simply evidence of His death and burial. And the quickness we have, as people, to venerate objects that are not God is troublesome.

[@tam4givin]

It can be a real shroud without being Jesus’s.

[@TimothyFish]

I find it so silly that this is even a thing. You can just look at the image and tell that the image doesn't match what it would look like if it were formed by contact with a body. For this image to form from a body the cloth would have needed to be lain flat, the body laid on top of it, then the cloth pulled over the top of his head and then stretched out straight. "Stretched", not "wrapped" because if it were wrapped then the image wouldn't be so symmetrical. It is more likely that someone took an ordinary burial cloth and then drew an image on it like what they thought it would look like if it were formed by contact with Jesus.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

If everyone watched the video or at least knew _anything_ about the Holy Shroud then they would know that it was not wrapped around him but only laid on top of him when he was resurrected. And the image proves that 100%.

[@MultiSky7]

When they start with "drawing of the image" and the rest of non sense, I really feel the pain of their flat EEG.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@MultiSky7 Um...what are you trying to say here exactly? That actually makes no sense at all. Try again?

[@TimothyFish]

@@beverlyhurd8556, laid on top doesn't work. The top and the bottom image align if the cloth is folded. That would only happen if they were parallel planes. The bottom might have been on a plane, but gravity would have caused the top bend in all sorts of ways.

[@Caleb-xf5yn]

I think those who invented this hoax didn't research 1st century Jewish burials. But the RCC once again proves itself a fraud.

[@garryjackson709]

I’m a skeptic because of where the front and rear images of the head meet. A complete front image joins directly to a complete rear image. If the cloth had been wrapped over a head there would be a distorted area where front and rear meet. Basically the image of the top of the head.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

That's a watermark. Fools a lot of people though.

[@rebukey]

Honestly, it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s real or not. I find it more annoying than anything. It is a distraction.

[@joshj3662]

It is as real as the climate changing. It rains, and tommorrow it rains again but then the sun comes out tommorrow. When I think of a day that grey and lonely, I just stick up my chin and grin and say...the sun will come out tommorrow, gotta hang on till tommorrow, till there is none.