50 Sins of Rome 2...

Welcome to a bashing of Rome 2 Total War!
Today, I go through 50 problems with Rome II Total War. This was a super easy challenge, given that it is the worst game in the franchise, complete trash ;)
Although I feely truthfully about all this, it is meant as humour, so don't take it too seriously.
And, of course, it's all just my opinion.
Enjoy :)
#TotalWar #Rome2 #Review

[@MelkorGG]

There we go, I finally did it XD If there's anymore you think I could add to the list, please let me know. (I got through the list before I could surpass Turn 1 or talk Battles, so they'll be quite a few) Before you say: DEI!!! - I explain it in the video, it's not a fix or an excuse. Before you say: BUT I ENJOY IT!!! - good for you, I never said you can't . Before you say: I CAN HAVE WHAT OPINION I WANT!!! - yes you can, and so can I, and no one here is saying otherwise. :)

[@ginofelino296]

Rome 2 ... after all this time? Always.

[@starsmil9687]

Most of "sins" fixed in one "not known" medieval mod for R2 lol

[@shashiprabha6831]

Things to be seen Rome 1 is made with time whereas rome 2 is made with no times but only with promises that CA has said but CA completed its promise ( 50%) of promises after launching the game ROME 2 is a game on which worked after years of its launch and made 3 DLC with no taste at we must get and we get in rome 1

[@MelkorGG]

@@shashiprabha6831 Yes, exactly. They even realised the Alpha Rome 1 was not working right, deleted almost everything and started again almost going to bankruptcy. They don't need to do that, but it just shows how much they wanted to make that game perfect for the time.

[@shashiprabha6831]

@@MelkorGG I totally agree with your statement In the game which CA give more promises is worst while game with less promises ends with style

[@Danymok]

50 sins is not enough. Personally I like Rome 2, and it does some things better than Rome 1, but only because it's newer. Rome 1's design is much better though, and if it was made in 2013 with modern tech but its same design philosophies, it would have been a much better game.

[@thecrazytophatman7304]

Who dis

[@KA-jm2cz]

We need new engine and Rome 3 with complete new way to screw it up totally. That's total war!

[@JoeSmith-gj8be]

He did not mention the collision physics or skirmishers, path finding never being fixed, or even that city maps were much bigger in the previews

[@rene2106]

Sin 51 (a game breaking sin for me): you can only recruit and move an army with a general.

[@MelkorGG]

Interesting. The feature was the cause of so many sins, yet I never specifically gave a sin for it XD

[@PoorManatee6197]

This and the provinces are what makes me preffer older total war.

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

I love Rome 2, but this mechanic is beyond stupid.

[@michaellaramee1965]

Disagree with this, imagine your fustration dealing with a dozen AI small stacks of units all in raiding stances on your territory. If that is a public order penalty for each of these essentially unit or two pile up you will have more public order issues, more rebellions, etc. Furthermore the recruiting through the general or from global recruitment means you don't need to spend a dozen turns micromanaging moving a calvary wing or siege detachment from your say military city to where your war is taking place

[@MelkorGG]

@@michaellaramee1965 But that mechanic can evolve to. With this change, the entire game would be wildly different. Ways it could work: only armies of a certain size, or with certain generals leading them could pull of that raiding manoeuvre. Or maybe just add a cap. As for the 2nd point. 1. But you still have to bring the whole army back to a region that can recruit them. To me, it makes more sense for reinforcements to slowly trickle through, rather than the entire army heading back home to pick them up.

[@lanleskovec8697]

Hey guys i am starting to think that Melkor might not lilke rome 2, but that is just a taught

[@Randomstuffs261]

I remember trying to play it at launch with like 8fps... it was like a slideshow... a very boring slideshow

[@d.cirovic1695]

I couldnt even start it for the first 3 days

[@tominis4444]

I think "What's the fun in balance" hits the nail on the head. In the effort to keep equivalence across the map, they murdered a bunch of cool potential factions in the process (Carthage and the Seleucid successors being the best examples).

[@MelkorGG]

What they did to those two powers almost makes me cry XD Even Rome is weak when not human controlled.

[@GodofToast]

Exactly! You can choose to have a nice easy campaign if you want a relaxing time or you can choose to play a difficult campaign if you want to challenge yourself. Historical and fun.

[@alexmuller6752]

every time i thought about giving rome 2 a chance, i remembered details like no garrison and no singular units moving. and tbh, those are enough for me to go: bless the gods they remastered rome 1.

[@patricksoares6253]

I tried rome 2 recently, never played before. The thing that killed it for me was the unit hp combat mechanic. It felt weird and I was mad when suddenly all my units started to die and routed. Besides, battles felt weightless and raw.

[@KJ-ft2kq]

“Where is fun in balance”. Legend would be proud.

[@anonymussicarius8899]

What can I say, she is a very very strong woman. XD One sin I would add is that, no matter how many of their generals you kill, there will always come one up fresh from the cloning pit. Was it somewhat easy to regicide certain factions in older titels? Yes. But the solution ould have been to give a bigger, but still limited, pool of recruitable generals, and once a faction burned through all of them it is game over for them.

[@johnmorales6281]

The worst sin was the moving units without a general

[@maxion5109]

since i'm primarily an immersion player i enjoyed a few campaigns in Rome 2 simply because of the better graphics, but i realize that it doesn't matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd.

[@autistegaming6937]

I think Rome 1 has better immersion. You get your quests from the senate and they might give you some kind of reward. In Rome 2 you get the quests out of nowhere and the game gives you often money out of nowhere. It breaks the immersion and it breaks the game balance as you get lots of money out of nowhere.

[@maxion5109]

@@autistegaming6937 yeah, but purely visually speaking, like battles, and with mods on ultra in higher than 1080p it looks great. Shiny turd!

[@JP-le8qc]

This should've been the best total war game up to that point, it bore the name of the game that started it all for them, and it was total trash, put thousands of hours into this game trying every mod and it still didn't make it much better. My opinion, when they launched this game it started the demise of history total war games.

[@MelkorGG]

YES. That's the worst bit - what it should have been for us. This should have had years of support, brought everyone together and be the next Medieval 2.

[@Boriz02]

Sin 101: No inspiring and immersive speeches from generals! Sin 102: Lack of depth and uniqueness for all the characters and generals, they all just feel the same(mabye except a 15 zeal champions, but they are 60 years old and will die next turn) Sin 103: Combat system based on hideous and idiotic animations, breaks immersion every time You zoom in to see how your hoplites fight series of idiotic duels with the enemy, while the rest of the unit just stands there getting tired from cheering. I could go all day long with those sins, but don't get me wrong, I played 750+ hrs of Rome 2 so it must have some appeal :)

[@GodofToast]

RIP pre battle speeches o7

[@pompeythegreat297]

Removing walls for minor settlements killed immersion for me, imagine Crusader kings doing the same thing lol what a failure

[@TheRealRealMClovin]

Please do this with other total wars, this was a fun video. Do even the ones that is the greatest total wars, like medieval 2 or Rome 1. To see how many flaws you can find, especially on thrones of britannia XD

[@sithcat3580]

Another sin is (at least for me) aesthetics. Rome 2 has terrible ugly campaign map, everything looks so coarse, especially sea coasts being mostly cliffs, which is dumb. It throws me out of this game. Rome Remastered looks better even with its simplicity.

[@MelkorGG]

I agree. Also in battles. In Rome 1 you can clearly see all the units stand out. In Rome 2 the units blend in too much with the terrain and the longer grass (more alive terrain) makes them even harder. Wish it had a more cartoony mode.

[@p.a.9952]

It's like they made a historical game but for some reason felt sinful for making a historical game so they decided not to include much of the historical background in the game and not make it historically accurate

[@MelkorGG]

It feels like they went back and forth a bit with what they wanted + it was too ambitious and had too little time. Should have been the game we all love, a re-birth for historicals.

[@sneakyturtle305]

Even after all it's patches i still struggle to enjoy this game yet i can go back to Rome 1 time and time again and have hours of enjoyment from it. Rome 2 has many stupid design decisions that they used as a scape goat instead of fixing the core issues which was the AI. Ai spamming too many mediocre unit stacks? instead of addressing this issue they just limited you and the AI to recruiting units only with a general available practically killing the "man of the hour" mechanic. The same issue which this video pointed out with units magically touching water and turning into boats, instead of addressing the issue of the ai building boats and performing naval invasions they just yeeted it out of the game and added that crappy band aid fix instead. The campaign UI is atrocious, it's like looking into a black void... couldn't they have added a marble texture instead of just black transparent background? it feels so lazy put together. The soundtrack is terrible also....

[@tomm9963]

"But but but it's good with mods"

[@MelkorGG]

XD

[@indianpotatofarmer6508]

Love the praise to Attila, CA might have gave up on it but I haven’t

[@jemo4211]

cinemasins wants to know your location

[@MelkorGG]

I am pretty attractive so it makes sense. Tell him to send me some pics and I might. Or we can meet at his place - I am fine eitherway ;)

[@georgimihalkov9678]

Nice :D Would enjoy a full sins series for all TW games

[@autistegaming6937]

I had already stopped watching your videos long time ago and then youtube recommends me this. Good video Melk. And it is scary how youtube knows what videos I like to watch. It even knows what Total War games we like and what we hate.

[@ashina2146]

The Spy Agent Sin isn't really a sin of single entities, since there's a speculation that every agents have their own underlings, but even if there's like 50 Underlings for a single spy, it's still 1.980.000 Meals per day. Plus Stealing Food isn't really that good tbh since Food in Rome 2 is easy to come by if you focus on it just a little bit, Spoiling the Region Food Supplies would be far more believable, that is if the Food System is expanded, like a Food Export Province having different bonuses than provinces that Import food, like Food Surplus Replenishment bonus only works for Provinces who exports food for example. Rome 2 is at best a Game that is in the Launch Version, since if this version of Rome 2 is the Version given in 2013 it would be a quite successful game, if the team could expand on it and bring back important features like Minor Armies(Non General Armies). For Sin #30 the Artstyle is interesting but the lack of different pose in favor of NFT Style really put it down, as you can accidentally mistook Thureos Spears for Scale Thorax Hoplites. Sin #35 Resources sometimes had bonuses that is quite Mediocre at best like upgrades(Iron, Wood, Horse) to Specific Income Upgrades(Gold, Olive, Amber), and only some buildings need resources like Iron for Barracks, Wood for Ports and Marble for Temples, but this came in for the last tier of the building. Shogun 2 did this better but Rome 2 Resources are better than Warhammer imo.

[@Yo_Soy_Andres_Cuetlachtli]

You can starve your enemies to death (armies and garrisons) by exploiting the steal food mechanic, using more than one spy on them and upgrading their zeal / food stealing trait

[@Maesterful]

As much as I love Rome 2...you have a point. Or 50 of them! 😂

[@Gyrosmeister]

Resources are needed for buildings. For high level temples you need marble, for high level military buildings you need iron. Lead is also needed for some water buildings

[@Zhohan-]

Rome 2 (modded) is one of my favorite games of all time with nearly 2K hours clocked in. I agree with almost every single one of these points. It's an incredibly flawed game. I just love it anyway, even more than Rome 1.

[@zord1352]

+1 sin: you have to waste a 100+ turns to get the best units. You cannot even roleplay because of this, and the only way to get them faster, is to go bigger. But you don't want, if you want to conquer everything by your dream army. Also AI brings crappy units most of the times.

[@eternalgaming5300]

Tbh I whole heartedly agree with you Melkor. I was just taken aback simply cause I trick myself into believing rome 2 is amazing-(Due to DEI ofc)

[@christopherjohnson6037]

AFAIK single entity units were conceived in the original shogun total war, with kensei units

[@l.s.9095]

While I understand that this your opinion, I must also state that I disagree with you on most parts....and I don't think you managed to capture the real "sins" of this game. Anyhow, have a nice day.

[@autistegaming6937]

Hi CA.

[@simondesanta5774]

What would be the real sins of the game?

[@TillBarkley]

6:35 That was awesome. Please do more of that cind of stuff!

[@MelkorGG]

XD Thanks, that was possibly my favourite bit to make

[@TillBarkley]

@@MelkorGG And it's my favourite thing to watch

[@Noxempire]

51 Byzantium (the city) doesn't exist

[@Spiderfisch]

It wasnt really relevant at that time

[@Noxempire]

@@Spiderfisch And instead there is Antheia, a place that cannot even be located nowadays and is arguebly less relevant. Rome 1 had Byzantium and made it possible to (theoretically) make it into a megacity and so should Rome2

[@MelkorGG]

YES! Rome 2 is accurate with cities (reasonably) at the start, but becomes unaccurate as you progress. Rome 1 feels accurate from start to finish + you can rename place (unsure if you can in Rome 2?)

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@Spiderfisch Actually it was-it was still Greek at the time though, of course

[@AnimeFan-dl4qd]

The biggest sin: Rome II is more optimised than Attila TW.

[@alexmuller6752]

melkor out here making a video game sins list just to flex his math skills on us :D

[@italoferreira5880]

I started to love melkor voice

[@lorenzogabrieltan9072]

It makes me imagine that the makers of total war were replaced by some MBA guys who doesn't know anything and whose goal is to make much profit as possible like saying "just copy-paste it".

[@bobmanton_fh9hv]

I don’t know if your still about Melkor but it’s good to see you telling it like it is,outside of MTW2,Rome 1 and Shogun 2 I find every game I’ve tried(bought on Steam sales thankfully) almost completely incomprehensible and so lacking in immersion that I can’t play them so they are quickly uninstalled,my biggest problem is always the UI let alone the game design and game mechanics,at least with Rome Remastered with all its Mods CA threw me a bone😢

[@Molonlabe07]

I've never even played stock Rome 2, installed DEI and never looked back

[@AaronPaden]

Boring campaign and boring battles. On the other hand, a mildly effective sleep aid.

[@samcook6368]

I like this game more than I did on release. It still is far from what it could have been.

[@MelkorGG]

I can agree with that (well given it barely functioned on release XD) What pains me most is the missed potential. This was meant to be a game changer in gaming, something that everyone will sink loads of hours into and prove CA still has what it takes. This was meant to have the post-launch success WH2 had, but instead the failure of Rome 2 through everything into a mess.

[@Yo_Soy_Andres_Cuetlachtli]

​@@MelkorGGwhat do you mean, it's still the 2nd more played TW on Steam, only after WH3

[@MelkorGG]

@@Yo_Soy_Andres_Cuetlachtli 3rd. Point is, many people play it just because it is 'Rome'. The game had the potentially to be wonderful, but is full of flaws (watch the video for those flaws). And it does not have post-launch success of WH2, because WH2 was hitting 40-50k on a regular basis, whereas R2 only regularly pulled 10K. I know that if R2 was the game they promised it will be, then it would still be pulling in 20k daily, not 4-5k. And look at how many people fully left the franchise from it.

[@duckman9467]

2 things I absolutely hate about this game are the army recruitment mechanics and the building mechanics. The army recruitment is garbage in my opinion, it made no sense to me that a general behind enemy lines can suddenly “recruit” a full 8 units of soldiers? What happened to recruiting guys at a nearby town and having to march them to the frontlines having the chance of being intercepted or not arriving in time to join up with your general. It made reinforcing your troops a much more tactical decision then just suddenly having soldiers appear beside your general. Mercenaries are my one exception to this because you would find mercenaries or THEY WOULD YOU and ask to join up with you. Also on the building note, I can’t stand the limitations in building up a settlement. Medieval 2 had the right idea with the Castle and City mechanic but then it somehow became this limited panel? I much preferred the ability to just freely build up a town how I saw fit.

[@GAMER123GAMING]

I just bought Rome 2 from a key reseller (I've only played a bit of it before from pirating) and its actually fun but im not gonna lie the absolute horrendous unit diversity and boring factions is atrocious. For example Epirus just feels like a worse macedon with elephants. And i agree with your point on the seleucids but i like the satrapies i just think there should be a way for the seleucids to consolidate them

[@ruas4721]

Rome 2 ist the biggest disaster of a game ive ever played. I hate it so much ...

[@davesmad4646]

I really understand the spy food mechanic

[@aaronlockley9207]

I miss you Melkor 😞 and this video perfectly sums up why i dont like Rome 2 lol

[@aa-qx7je]

The math was brilliant :D

[@geoffwitt4227]

I gave up on this years ago for later titles. I like buildings. Did they fix the slot issue? We now have 8-10 slots with mods in Attila. I think AI is what makes a game a winner. I never had trouble with Rome 2 AI even starting as one of the smaller factions.

[@stepanpytlik4021]

I agree with a lot though some points really were unnecessary in my opinion. What I personally dislike the most is the unability to simply sack a settlement and leave it be, which you can't, forcing you to either constantly expand or be forever on the defensive. And then I also HATE that you can't trade regions, making the game very frustrating sometimes. All in all, the game is not bad in my opinion but also not great. I definitely like Attila a lot more.

[@lifeoftrissi4940]

Please do this with other Total War games...

[@jankruger7551]

Many of ur points are true and r2 is worse than r1 but some very important of them are not (technology,resources etc)

[@EasyGameEh]

the only thing i genuinely like about rome 2 is its main menu theme.

[@MelkorGG]

True, good menu theme. If only the rest of the soundtrack would live up to it.

[@Dolfy]

The entire game is a sin

[@idoomi6714]

i have 400 h i love it and hate it if i wasnt a huge fan of roman history i wouldnt be playing it.

[@bobmanton_fh9hv]

Re my previous comment I forgot to mention that the maps in every game from Rome 2 onwards are just big brown splodges that my old brain can’t process,again thanks to RTW Remastered for a map I can actually see

[@jaywerner8415]

"Rome 2 a total war Saga" OOOO, Burn like those metal gates when put to the torch. Rome 2 may be Hollow but it does not quite deserve the Saga status. 5/10, Painfully average, hollow, you never have to use your brain.

[@1992mrjohnnyp]

Remember the seige of Carthage demo trailer?

[@MelkorGG]

I can never forget XD

[@thethirdsicily4802]

I couldn't really get into, really either Rome total war, despite how much I love Medieval 2 I never really played much of Rome outside of a full Seleucid campaign I did, I've sunk way more time in Attila, Warhammer (all 3 actually) and Thrones of Britannia than I ever did into Rome 1 or 2.

[@dragonfly6638]

I think you should be able to choose if there are Julii scipii and Brutii or just Rome.

[@williamdukeofnormandy1403]

CA, should hire Melkor.

[@bluesouth5633]

I'm glad I never bought this game.

[@bergonath8851]

Only 50?

[@Boogfinker]

I've truly tried to like Rome 2 I've tried all the mods I could and I just still can't get into it

[@aramokurdo]

also disaterous parthia made!!

[@Mrmisticum]

1 turn,to describe them all!

[@theodisius1]

I can't articulate why Rome 2 is my least favorite TW game - it should be great. When I first got it, I thought it resembled those great realism mods for RTW. Thankfully, I don't have to articulate why I dislike it so much as Melkor does it so forensically and comprehensively. Thank you! The greatest virtue of Rome 2? It gave birth to Attila, which is my favorite TW and fixed most of the sins you list. Yet, the fanbase prefers Rome 2 over Attila. Sigh.

[@taethegreat6607]

Rome 2 is just something that many (myself included) enjoy quite allot despite its flaws

[@Kvs-vf9nt]

Because Attila is just not optimized very well. You can have a damn pc off 7200euro and still have issues with it. So yeah I don't know what to say but they screwed it up. Why don't they put the effort in optimizing it. I even pay for it I really would. I have a powerfully gaming laptop with an Nvidia rtx 3080 and 32gb ddr4 ram. So powerfully enough still I have to put everything to Quality. Yes I can leave Ssao and distortion and blood effect on and have like 73fps average. But goddammit. Why does Attily doesn't use all my hardware. WHY??? And I'm not the only one with this problem. If I put it on recommended I should play on max quality. Yeah what a joke. Wow then I have like 40-30 fps. Screw that.

[@darkfireslide]

Lol this doesn't even cover the tragic battles, which are even worse than the campaign somehow

[@MelkorGG]

Yeah, sadly I got to 50 before I could surpass Turn 1.

[@marysiagranie7929]

14:38 is the lowest screenshot a mod for medieval 2? What’s the name?

[@MelkorGG]

It's a Mod. Don't remember if it is Rome 1 or Med 2. Maybe it is Europa Barbarorum? No clue.

[@Kili2807]

I can agree with 30-35 of your points

[@clueless_andy]

civil war always happening is sooooo goddamn annoying

[@aceshotz5051]

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks Rome 2 is trash compared to 1. In this Total War Facebook group I’m in whenever I mention Rome 2 is trash I get crap for it. “Oh DEI fixes this, DEI fixes that” if you need a mod to fix the problems in vanilla then you know that it isn’t a good game. I’m actually curious what your dislikes about the battles are because I’m sure we have similar dislikes about it. I get what people say that “it’s newer” and I get it, it’s over a decade old but still extremely fun and replayable. most people prefer graphics over good gameplay which is unfortunate but even for me it’s extremely hard to even get into a campaign just because how boring and dull the vanilla game feels

[@agentone8511]

I bought Rome II 2 days ago and I'm still putting more hours in Rome 1 lol like a lot of hours. I'm liking Rome 2 a little better but only cuz of the mods. The campaign is still unbearable.

[@cameronburne4090]

Loved this please to do to all

[@jurtra9090]

Rome 2 was the genesis of all terrible design in future Total War games. i enjoy the campaign, but i just cannot stand how i cannot build as many building as i used to do in Rome 1. CA Literally put the Greek cities as DLC and it's just laughable since they were available by default in Rome 1 I remember how I loathe the army recruitment system that forbids armies moving without generals. that's just plain stupid since it prevents a more flexible strategy COLLISION SYSTEM SUCKS ASS. WHY THE HELL YOUR ARMY DID NOT FIX THEIR FORMATION EVERYTIME A UNIT PASSED THEM BY? The naval battle lacks depth thanks for this video, Melkor

[@tomzicare]

Unit icons are fine in Rome II. The rest of the vid, very good. Personally I'd swap unit icons for mandatory general for army to exist, that's way worse than unit icons.

[@Yo_Soy_Andres_Cuetlachtli]

Yep. Building icons and unit cards are just personal preference. And actually I prefer R2 icons as they provide quick clue to what the building those. And unit cards seems unique, while for example infantry unit cards in Attila (or even divided empire) feel all the same

[@Beencheeling]

Only 50 sins?

[@ajaxtelamonian5134]

Cant think of a game that dissapointed me more than this sad shell.

[@wolfieee71]

15:12 just what the hell is that monstrosity

[@JustinCage56]

I feel like I'm the only person who likes the game at this rate

[@GodofToast]

No, you really aren’t. A lot of people like it, mostly because of mods, and that’s okay! Do what you enjoy.

[@rocketensky3336]

You sound like the shrimp from smiling friends.

[@kabankempff6181]

Rome 2 with mods is very enjoyable (easy to mod like in very easy) it really is a good game or atleast has the potential with Co-Op campaign it becomes super fun and with the right mod setup for your personal problems it becomes a hidden gem(receives so much hate yet is very playable and balanced few games are perfect at launch)

[@MelkorGG]

As said in the video, mods only fix around 12 of these issues. Also, very very very few people play co-op campaign and it's not worth the hassle in my opinion. As for modding, the basic stuff is easy, which is good. But no custom campaign maps kills it's potential almost completely + other limits.

[@kabankempff6181]

@@MelkorGG I agree it has issues but it still remains my best total war game(Rome 1 was obviously the benchmark with nostalgia excettera) but playing attila is like what barbarian invasion was for Rome 1 it's a close second so ultimately there is no other option than modding the hell out of Rome 2 and I have found the 10 or so mods that really work wonders for me.(haven't tried modding attila to be Rome 2 as in time period and so on) Rome wasn't ever perfect yet it is so precious to us all it would never be able to be replaced there also wasn't anything to compare it to during it's launch it was so unique with it's scale and playability.

[@herostrates80]

Every TW only with mods, who play vanilla versions TWs??

[@MelkorGG]

I, usually, only play vanilla. If I enjoy Vanilla enough, then I try Mods that change the era or setting.

[@herostrates80]

@@MelkorGG I've been playing total wary since 2004. From the very beginning, these basic versions were too easy, ahistorical and poor. When I installed the Europa Brbarorum mod for the first time, I never played the basic version of Total War again

[@joeycostanzo9755]

I agree with every one of these yet it remains to be my favorite total war. Not sure why, but I love this game anyway. However I hate Rome 1s remaster, I should try it again cause that was at launch and it is better now from my understanding. Love Rome 1 too

[@UntoldHistoryAnimations]

Unironnicaly I think Rome 2 better then Rome 1, I just prefer it :/

[@joeycostanzo9755]

@@UntoldHistoryAnimations me too, but I love both. I still agree with every point in this vid, but I still prefer Rome 2

[@madwellmusic8995]

Wow long list and still didn't even touch the real time battle aspect. It was all focused on campaign which is saying something. I'd like to hear 50 sins for gameplay too. Like projectiles. The voices and lack luster combat audio. Unit engagement. I think that might end up being 100 sins

[@MelkorGG]

I probably could, but I am no expert in battles and do not study battles (unlike overall campaigns) so I avoided it. Also, I no longer upload anymore, anyway.

[@bardocksan5427]

The game is good enough Melkor, don't judge it this bad, the charakters' tree personal options are all useful if you play, it needs time to learn them.

[@kipl8444]

I like Rome 2, my most played game, am getting a bit bored now

[@ZarnakTheTerrible]

I enjoy it now with a few mods but holy cow the launch was awful. I didn't play it for like a year after it came out.

[@baggelis_aikaterinis]

Rome2s bigest curse is it will always come second XD I know it's not a sin but oh well.......

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

Yes

[@sXe4life100]

The historical games never feel fully fleshed out, so much so that one should assume that CA leaves it to the modding community to bring those titles to their full potential. That said Ancient Empires for Atilla is beautiful and I honestly cannot comprehend as to how CA couldn't make Rome 2 that vibrant and diverse, even as early as circa 2013/14?

[@pieternoordenbos]

I have over 4000 hours invested in this game and I still love it. It is the last good historical game that CA made.

[@gerardotejada2531]

Attila is great, technically It has a ñot of problems, and Im enraged CA fixed the disaster that was Rome 2 and abandoned Attila, is a great game. Warhammer Chaos Invasion didnt hit as hard as Attila's invasion.

[@pieternoordenbos]

Attila is a game made by psychopaths.

[@jeffrybungle2502]

I hate Rome 2…such a disappointment

[@cyllananassan9159]

All the movies...little videos....all the candy gone....CA SO LAZY......

[@mscapeh4451]

Only thing good with rome 2 was the graphics and unit banters rest sucked rome 1 was better in even city build and immersion and combat

[@kivati]

With DEI, it's far better than Rome 1. Rome 1 is great with EB, can't play it without.

[@MelkorGG]

I'd disagree. There's still tons of issues with DEI, but then again I don't enjoy EB, so...

[@kivati]

Fair enough fella :) for some reason Rome 2 is my favourite TW game (with DEI). Just feels the best for me. I generally have time for all of the tw titles though but ancient history is a passion for me, so things like EB and DEI really help immerse me into the game. It's a bit too gamey in vanilla (especially Rome 1).

[@kivati]

@@MelkorGG There are things I miss from Rome 1, don't get me wrong. The soundtrack is forever burned into my brain. I still find myself humming it occasionally at work, haha.

[@kivati]

Hey chap, what didn't you like about EB anyhow?

[@MelkorGG]

@@kivati Too big, too many cities, too many battles and the battles were too long. Sadly I have never had the time to give it a serious go for those reasons.

[@henrykillenger8665]

Still works better than RTWR 🤷‍♀️

[@manooxi327]

Tnx 🤡

[@gerardotejada2531]

Its still the most played historical total war in Steam. The horrible launch hurted a lot, as you cant fix a first impression, but I think Its still the most succesfull game CA has ever done. The numbers are there.

[@MelkorGG]

To what extent is that to it being the most recent real histroical empire builder. Also, I think it shows the power of Rome more than anything. Eitherway, we can all agree Rome 2 will always have a bad feeling for people given that it should have been so much more. This title should have been what Warhammer 2 was to CA, played and supported for years, success after success, revolutionising the strategy industry, but instead it marked the clear decline of historical for a decade.

[@gerardotejada2531]

@@MelkorGG I have mixed feelings. Shogun 2 FOTS is my favourite strategy game of all time. Rome 2 launch was obviously a bad move, Angry Joe's famous video sums It up. But now Im not Ok with the hate Rome 2 gets from the old Total War players. I feel Its unfair to beat a dead horse like that, specially when It was supported much more than Attila. So It wasnt the last historical title, and It wasnt abandoned like Empire was. But yeah, CA makes a great game (Medieval 2, Shogun 2, Warhammer 2) and then drops the ball (Empire, Rome 2, Warhammer 3). And that pisses people off. However I enjoy modern Total War, Napoleon, Shogun 2 and FOTS. And Im paranoic this trend "Rome 2 is so bad, Rome was better than Rome 2" is another way to say CA has done nothing good since Medieval 2.

[@MelkorGG]

That's fine - but I'm not an old player. I started only around 7 years ago with the franchise (launch of Attila roughly).

[@gerardotejada2531]

@@MelkorGG Its still a dead horse. Its never going to be the greatest in the series. And It shows the absolute worst beheaviour of CA, rushed developmemnt, cash grab sequel, broken promises, plagued by DLC, etc. But you can do worse than playing Rome 2. Mixed feeling as I said.

[@user-vv3pv6xt9m]

I like Rome 2, but it does have big problems CA didnt fix because it wasn profitable.

[@gerardotejada2531]

They supported that game more than any other game in all their history as a game studios. What they didnt fix It couldnt be fixed.

[@MelkorGG]

Most of patches they had to do to get it to launch standard, as to not destroy their reputation fully and they could have fixed it all as they have access to the engine code. They could literally turn it Warhammer and back if they chose to.

[@christosgian.8399]

You butchered them. I liked that. They deserve it for butchering our beloved franchise.