Dove Campaigns for Ugly Female Characters in Video Games

[@THESLICKNESSEDM]

Nobody wants to look at unattractive characters in a fantasy entertainment game I’m not paying to look at mediocre things I can see anywhere

[@icebearnicho8256]

Yup, I actually learned this from Stan Lee (RIP). He said he draws attractive characters because nobody wants to aspire to be, and see themselves, in unattractive/unhealthy/unworthy characters. I completely agree, not paying to look at nonsense.

[@kallemetsahalme5701]

ah but there you are wrong. yes, stan, me and many others like to look at certain healthy, more muscular type to aspire to. but its obvious theres this certain group that aspires to be fat and "unattractive" just like homer simpsons aspired to work at home. what everyone needs to understand is that we need to draw cubicles around things and everyone can enjoy what they want. if some want to be empowered by a fatty rolling around and smashing the opponents then they are free to do so. mel has some points but the general gist of this video is no different from that girl going "i dont play games because they appeal to male fantasies". this dove campaign appeals to those people and flinging shit from side to side is not going to solve anything. reality is one game cant make all the participants happy. that why one game needs to be proud about having fit superheroes while another one has fat homemaids going on a rampage. putting them in the same game and saying now everyone is happy is shite

[@WildDogGamerBoy]

I saw them in TLOU Part 2 and Horizon 2, and it was unpleasant. Never again.

[@frankkennedy6388]

@@WildDogGamerBoy You'd think Abby's muscles would atleast be useful, but nope. Not as op as advertised.

[@alnu8355]

I mean I love playing horrifically obnoxious and disgusting things (think Frank from It's Always Sunny In Phillidelphia) because that shit can be comedy gold. Not for "bOdY pOsItIvItY!"

[@GeraltofRivia22]

I'm a fat guy. I don't ever feel the need to see more fat guys in video games. This obsession with seeing yourself everywhere is extremely narcissistic.

[@eddie_dexx]

amen! fully agree! I am also a fat guy and I don't condone fatness! I'm just too lazy to hit the gym. Need a lot more fat shaming for that. But instead society wants to praise fatness :\ RIP

[@TimeMasterOG]

@@eddie_dexx I am also a fat guy, hate being fat, also too lazy to hit the gym. There is too much acceptance for being over weight, and I also DO NOT want to see fat in games i play games to pretend im not fat for a while

[@thedude3065]

yeah, who needs a fat Witcher?

[@eddie_dexx]

@@TimeMasterOG exactly, just because we're fat it doesn't mean we want to see fat ugly obesities. The only exception is the game Sumoman, for obvious reasons. Other than that, no need.

[@anonthehousemouse]

I note that pretty much EVERYONE who is complaining about fat-represntation is a women. The vast majority of men just don't care about it. Video games are (to me anyway) about getting to be (for a few minutes) something I'm not.

[@menoftomorrowchannel]

Let me get this straight...You remove hot women from video games because they are being sexualized, by replacing them with less attractive women so they won't get sexualized? So basically, Dove is saying that these women are ugly.

[@MarvinPowell1]

No, they're saying you're supposed to only sexualize the obese women and if you don't, you're "fatphobic."

[@guillermoelnino]

Remember the golden rule: If men like it its mysoginistic If men are repulsed by it its empowering

[@sianais]

I was wondering how these women in the ad can't see Dove is blatantly calling them ugly 😂

[@seefoghall]

The only attractive women, are men.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@sianais hear hear

[@nerddotcom5817]

Keep in mind: Thor being stripped naked and humiliated is A-OK.

[@Mdautkreix]

And being the butt of countless fat jokes for 3 hours because he’s an emotionally weak male dealing with depression & loss- similarly A-OK!

[@eriaizawa670]

R34: *writing this down*

[@humrH2360]

Literally the only people this ad appeals to are those who already hate video games and/or obese people who don't take care of themselves to ever want to buy any hygiene products.

[@thatHARVguy]

Woke SJWeirdos have never been, nor ever will be, the paying customer. They bully to get their way and never pay.

[@torom86]

Over-eating and/or being too lazy to work out doesn't mean being dirty or not taking care of oneself at all. It might be the case sometimes but it's no rule.

[@ImperialGuardsman2]

​@Tony Romano you've clearly never worked retail

[@guillermoelnino]

Exactly. Does dove really think these f at man-ha ting sl obs take baths?

[@ne0nmancer]

​@@torom86 When you become obese there's parts that you cannot clean even if you wanted to.

[@johnnysalazar5399]

I was 250 pounds at the age of 13, i hated it not being able to fit in clothes, i would always wear sweats or basketball shorts, i used to sweat when i ate, it was very embarrassing, the most i weighed was 285 Lbs, that was when i finally had enough, I would hit the gym during summer everyday or whenever i had the chance for the next 5 years and it wasnt easy. By age 18 i lost 55 LBS and felt more enegetic and confident, now at 38 years old, im 216 lbs of muscle mass and i still feel the way i did at 18 years old. Theres no such thing as being 'comfortable with yourself' when you are shortening your life, its disgusting how these companies are promoting bad health, whats wrong with these idiots

[@GeekOwtLowd]

Dove soap is owned by Unilever. Unilever also owns Ben & Jerry's. And suddenly, it all makes sense.

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

Wait, for real?

[@Froz3nT1ger]

So does The vegetarian butcher, so what? Not unusual to spread across all kinds of commodity types. Corporations are on a roll at the moment. How many ads have we seen recently which cannot be meant to maximize profits? Bud light, adidas and so many more.

[@GRT1865]

I see fill them with Ben and Jerry creates more surface. More surface needs more soap. (Sorry I had too.) HAHAHA

[@samking6583]

Its a win win, sell more ice cream, increase skin radius, more soap needed to wash additional new ass

[@ieremiaanae6220]

Movies in the park was/is a thing (this part of the world) but why during daylight savings..? Ben and Jerry's in association don't get dark till 2100hrs..?

[@kiillabytez]

"I don't want to be inspired to become better, I just want to be accepted for the way I am." How sad.

[@torom86]

I'm a fat (125kg) 37yo guy who had never been so fat and felt so unhealthy before. When I play a game I don't want to feel represented (actually, if I can choose a female character I usually do it), I want to see beauty in the landscapes, the objects AND the characters. My body model is NO beauty and it's NOT something to encourage, because I feel heavy, breathless and energy-deprived. Luckily I found the strength to put myself on a strict diet that is giving results, hopefully I'll manage not to betray myself again. Body-positivity should just mean not bullying or judging people who don't have a beautiful or healthy body, it should NEVER get to mean encouraging not making an effort to get better.

[@patrickhenry8425]

Good for you. Tony! Eating poorly is a habit that you can break. Make eating healthy a habit. It gets easier, my friend!

[@GigaChadSora]

Excuse me, but you dropped this👉👑 Be more careful next time, king.

[@tsevgamesalot]

That's awesome! Keep it up, day by day 😁👍

[@Cyboogie.the.Cyborg]

Don't give up bro

[@1988foxtrot]

Once you see the numbers on the scale get lower its incredibly encouraging. Not bragging by any means, but last year I was able to lose 40 lbs. (18kg) just by eating better and with plenty of cheat days to boot. Trust me, once you get motivated you don't want to stop.

[@NoztrozeR]

We men like a little cake on our women. But the display of "healthy" bodies like this one didn't just have cake. She had the whole bakery, then went to mcdonalds and ate their entire supply as well. This is not JUST unattractive. This is unhealthy. As everything woke, they don't want to change for the better. They don't want "acceptance". They want to force it on everyone else, because they don't like that they're uncomfortable with themselves, and want to dictate how others >should< think about them.

[@SiLvErWaRe000]

This!

[@karloskemp01]

It cracks me how she go from 130lbs takes off armor and now she is instantly 250… you can’t hide obesity.

[@ArielCleirigh]

It seems Dove does not know that obesity is considered a disease.

[@marcuskahn3783]

Flabby mexican e-thot simulator

[@simplythebest2k]

Honestly when I saw that I almost chocked on my drink. That was physically impossible.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@simplythebest2k just imagine the damage that would cause concealing that much body mass in that cramped body armor.

[@hibikuokudan]

I mean, corsets CAN really reduce someone's waist, but if you're wearing a really tight corset you definitely aren't going to be fighting like that lol

[@08fighter08]

The other problem is that they don’t promote actual body diversity where you show all body shapes. They are only showing girls bigger than a size 18. And you are correct Mel. They love when bigger women show more skin but shame average women and smaller women women f they show the same amount of skin or have a nice shape (boobs and hips). Doesn’t sound like equally to me. I do appreciate some of the clothing brands I have been seeing on KZbin that actually show women of all sizes wearing their clothes and showing how it looks on them. Games are escapism and men and women play characters with an ideal body that THEY like, so the characters can look like anything.

[@MxrmGxrl4]

Absolutely!

[@motivatedvergil9145]

imagine going after the gaming community, one of the most unforgiving communities out there. Dove you done fucked up.

[@HammerheadStarcraft]

Maybe if Dove wants more body positive games, they should utilize their corporate resources to make one? Then track sales to see how popular their ideas are. Why the hell does a Dove marketing team want to make a statement on fantasy video game art?!

[@adj789]

what does this have to do with soap!?

[@KenRyuu1]

@@adj789 Dove Marketing Team: Soap?

[@MarvinPowell1]

Bullyhunters 3.0.

[@vincentalexander4603]

Idk this really depends if most gamers even noticed this. Beside the companies that will hurt from this (rightly so) will be studios that try to do this in their games.

[@nailboard6492]

A-lot of Women wear fake eyelashes, fake nails, fake hair, fake skin but they want a real Man. A-lot of Women have no career or no income but want a guy who has 150K/year or more. A-lot of Women don't work out or take care of themselves but they want Men with six pack and abs. Thanks Melonie for showing me that real Women do still exist. 29 and been single my whole life, holding onto that "card" for a real lady lol. I understood after seeing what bad Men did to my Mother that I needed to keep my mind pure from the stain of past Women. Seeing that real, good Women still exist out there gives me hope in my own life and re-assures me that my trials and tribulations have not been wasted. God Bless you Melonie!

[@gameragodzilla]

Not only is promoting obesity unhealthy, but even on just a logical level, action video game characters live very active lifestyles, so they won't be fat regardless. All the platforming and parkour Lara Croft does would mean there's no way she could possibly be fat all the time, unless she just consumes an absolute assload of food, more than a human stomach can physically fit. Same for whether someone's a medieval fantasy adventurer, or a modern combat soldier, or some space mercenary.

[@thatHARVguy]

I can confirm this. When I volunteered to build the summer music festival, I was on my feet walking/lifting/carrying heavy things for roughly 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, for 4 weeks. I don't know how much weight I shed, but the fit of my pants was definitely looser.

[@Bateluer]

Gprime did a really good comic on this, showing an obese Lara trying to climb up a cliffside.

[@cuckertarlson3037]

The fatties like to fantasize that they could do all this crazy adventuring without actually doing anything to get in shape lol

[@simplythebest2k]

Well you throw the logic out the window when being as fat as the character was somehow the armor made her look super thin lol

[@ghost7524]

@@dumpmail-xz2qp Exactly...

[@PowPowPixie]

Thank you for talking about this, could not agree more with everything you said. Whenever I create a character in a character in a character creator, I create my ideal self, not my real overweight unfit self, because nothing would make me feel more self-conscious than watching my fat clipping through stuff. Where's my sword? Oh great, it's embedded in my back flab.

[@monikapanko2800]

I am a girl gamer and I would create a super hot bad ass character as well! I wonder what girls were taking this survey?

[@SuperArmus]

Dove straight up said most gamer girls are obese LMAO! Great marketing team.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

😂😂😂 Yeah, "you fat cows, check it out"

[@thatHARVguy]

Woke SJWeirdos projecting their istandphobias, as usual.

[@majorgear1021]

if that is true, they should do commercials about type 2 diabetes.

[@guillermoelnino]

Unfortunately du mb women are actually encouraged by this.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

@@majorgear1021 😂😂😂

[@SunBunz]

I’m a fat, pimple-covered short woman with glasses. I WANT to play as a character that doesn’t necessarily resemble me. I happen to like playing characters that are sexy, fit and voluptuous because it’s a form of escapism. I’ve been called sexist for thinking this way. That “beauty is subjective.” Yes, that’s true, but so WHAT if I wanna play a hot character? It’s a f*cking video game. It’s MY fantasy-escape time. I don’t need constant reminders that “fat women exist, too!” Yes. I know. I have mirrors in my house. (Ain’t no shame) but I don’t need the media to change things around to make me feel included. It’s stupid and feels condescending. Like, “here you go, you poor unattractive girls/women of color/sexual-orientation other than, straight-here’s a character that ticks every box JUST for you! Aren’t you proud of us? Do you feel better now?” _(baby noises, jangling keys)_ 🤤 🔑 Edit: and I’m currently working out and eating healthy again. Not because I think I’ll look like Lara Croft, but because I’m doing it for ME to be healthier. I’m down 16lbs, and got about 60 more to go. Do it for YOU and your health. I don’t need stupid ads to inspire me. Ads like this are misleading people to think being fat is healthy. It’s not.

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

I do not support obesity glorification in any shape form or fashion; as someone whose family has battled wait and health issues in the past, I want nothing to do with this. I used to be close to obesity and was miserable until I started working out: now I have a goal to keep myself under 250 pounds Thanks for the video Melanie: have an amazing weekend and God Bless everyone 😇✝️

[@stellarthealiendeer]

God bless you too I rather be healthy!

[@LittleHayabusa]

“now I have a goal to keep myself under 250 pounds” To that I say, keep up the good work!

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

@@stellarthealiendeer Thank you

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

@@LittleHayabusa Thank you

[@stellarthealiendeer]

@@natoriousthehopeful2786 no problem

[@AustinGamingXD]

A friend of mine said it best, he said “Man I already have to use a wheelchair in real life, I don’t want to be forced to use one in my favorite game well”

[@SamM_Scot]

Dove is basically calling all female gamers overweight/obese and that it's real beauty with no health implications. I just can't anymore with this insanity today 🤣

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

😂😂😂 Dove: "you fat obes slobs check out what we did for you!"

[@-Siculus-Hort-]

"hey, fat ass girl gamers. take a bath."

[@ArielCleirigh]

So 2B or Eve arent allowed by Dove?

[@Raidoven]

more fat = more skin to wash = need for more soap makes sense really.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

@@Raidoven 🎯💯😂😂😂

[@DarthDainese]

I was 13 stone 11 pounds, I was fat, keto gave me my energy back, keto dropped my weight to 10 stone 5 pounds, this is the world upside down, I’ll never be fat again

[@MelonieMacGoBoom]

Yesss!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@MrJhound4]

I don't understand why CERTAIN people act like the majority of the population doesn't like looking at attractive people. Or at least people who have physical traits worth aspiring to.

[@icebearnicho8256]

Exactly! We are literally biologically wired to find unattractive and unhealthy things revolting (to different degrees). We don't find overweight animals in the wild, and when we do, not a single animal mate with them or generally associate with them. I don't even understand why they wouldn't want to see the most attractive stuff, and aspire to be that.

[@MrJhound4]

@@icebearnicho8256 Because being called out for their bad habits makes them feel bad. So if everyone just collectively lowers their standards, the people who complain about attractive people can feel good about themselves without actually putting in any work!

[@seefoghall]

Would these certain people have blue hair and Twitter accounts?

[@chavezchavo]

I don't play a videogame to feel represented. I play an RPG to be someone else. Why tf would i want to be represented in a videogame? Sometimes i play a male character, sometimes female. Sometimes I play single player to let the game tell me the story. I thought that's the reason why we play video games: To experience a fantasy and have fun. No where do i see the need to be or feel represented.

[@NickNapoli]

Remember they did the same thing with Lara Croft because they found her “to sexualized”. This is getting ridiculous.

[@AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi]

I joyfully agree with you

[@rockytheblackdragon]

​@@AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi I Roger that

[@matthewdortona197]

It’s been ridiculous for a long time people are just now waking up to it, anti woke is the new woke.. the proper and true woke 😊

[@BoozeAholic]

It's so disingenuous that they label this as sexism. I don't even want to play as fat ugly dudes, so why should a fat ugly chick get a pass?

[@Forrestwing]

I bet Lara Croft will now look even worse in the next game. Average middle aged girl next door type, which is exactly the opposite of what Lara once was. Also isn't this insulting to woman who have large breasts and a small figure? Like they also exist?

[@TheManWhoLaughs2008]

The boss from Saints Row 2022 is the perfect example. Tired of leftists calling everything over-sexualized, racist or sexist. Time to stand up to the left and all the woke video game companies.

[@Pegas105]

What I find really ironic is Dove's stock and trade is health and beauty.

[@tegandetermann3299]

I remember reading Dove's parent company also owns a bunch of junk food brands.

[@Pegas105]

@@tegandetermann3299 Considering its Unilever I wouldn't doubt it.

[@remmy107]

I have no choice😢 there one of the only good soap bars for psoriasis.

[@Dem0nhunt3r4]

If they're going to bring in realistic beauty standards into video games, then they should bring in all the other realistic values, such as increasing the hit box size and taking away the ability to run.

[@TonyMontanaDS]

This is an insult to all the women who keep themselves in shape and take care of themselves.

[@guillermoelnino]

Good thing this ad isnt directed towards them. Its directed towards the demographic that is less likely to take baths. Morbidly obese man-ha ters.

[@SonicSkychaser]

I totally agree

[@itskitty808]

I completely agree. Us fit women seem to recieve so mu h hate these days, and it's very hurtful!

[@SonicSkychaser]

@@itskitty808 it's bullshit that fit women like you get hated on because you want to be healthy and live longer.

[@jackstraw4222]

its all part of a agenda to promote garbage essentially....because these types hate everything apparently...

[@jobi1kawobi317]

I was waiting for you to react to this! I think it’s hilarious that Dove would go after the “sexualisation” of woman from fictional characters in gaming rather than other industries that push woman to be oversexualised I.e. beauty industry. Keep our characters as power fantasies! We love beautiful characters and their is nothing wrong with healthy bodies!!

[@Huhconduct]

They equate a woman character being in shape as "sexualized" because they know that that is more desired than them.

[@seanisabel]

I'm mostly liberal but the nonsense that they are doing to movies, tv and games drives me nuts!!

[@Beezo-2099]

It's not liberalism. This is leftism.

[@rival1088]

@@Beezo-2099maybe more autism

[@shooterdownunder]

I can see why dove is doing this. They need the extra surface area for their products.

[@huynhyurivanvladamir7978]

Nice one

[@highriskgunman4181]

damn

[@givikap120]

The problem is that it's pretty and skinny women who are usually buying selfcare

[@DavidSmith-mt7tb]

I legit have a male friend who is a big Metal Gear fan. Solid Snake inspired him to get fit. He became a special forces medic and now he's a personal trainer. We should strive to attain the standards set by our heroes, not have the standard of what makes a hero lowered to where everyone gets to be one without putting any work in on themselves.

[@rockytheblackdragon]

I saw this disgusting ad & it pisses me off 😡 They are lines that we don't cross & Dove just crossed it.

[@Kitty-Kyun]

If you moved even half as much as a video game character/ hero of any kind, you'd find it impossible to keep on any body fat at all.

[@JSPena]

I’ve also been seeing these commercials where they say that you shouldn’t take health advice from the Internet and yet they promote this.

[@MelonieMacGoBoom]

People have been finding the truth and they HATE it

[@JSPena]

@@MelonieMacGoBoom 🤦‍♂️ I made a mistake I meant beauty tips not health tips.

[@oplars6487]

I'm writing a book series with a girl whose powers base around parkour, and every book has at least one scene in which she practices either parkour or one newer ability. I feel like that's the kind of role model ppl need nowadays

[@oopomopoo]

If obesity and lizzo is so good, why do women get offended when you say "You look like Lizzo?" 🤷

[@oopomopoo]

Why would it be offensive

[@RealCoachMustafa]

I was obese most of my adult life, and then I got worse when I injured my spine. I thought that for me to be happy, I had to accept that I'm never going to be normal, and that I'll be a disabled fat person for the rest of my life. This is what the media was telling me to do. Accept who I am and be happy about it. Fortunately, I had people in my life who didn't accept this attitude. I turned things around and got fit. I'm mostly pain-free now that I've lost over 70 lbs and stay active regularly. While my spine will never be "normal" again, I don't experience the same pain as I did when I was inactive and obese. I hate the body positivity movement because it tells people to not try and have low standards for themselves.

[@iemzaf]

I used to be one 100kg, fat mofo 5 years ago. Ripped characters actually inspired me to keep fit in order for me to dress more sharply like them. Now I'm 65 kilos and I've never felt healthier. In fact I still feel giddy with enjoyment whenever I buy S or XS-sized clothing, because back then I could only look on with jealousy. These karens just need to pick up a salad instead of wasting time trying to shame beautiful women

[@yrysroda8592]

Congrats to you!! I dropped from 67 to 60 kilos since last November & it really makes me feel good about myself :)

[@jackstraw4222]

there is no advantages of being fat..none...it makes you slower,physically weaker..and you eat more...sleep more...and become more lazy no matter if you even go to the gym....also it limits mobility so that you can barley walk or move correctly...

[@lorenzoreynolds2512]

@@jackstraw4222 facts

[@kagebloodfang3271]

The truly insulting thing...is dove is literally saying they think 74% of girl gamers look like that and are unhealthy.

[@SubwayJack919]

By being more revealing and making her fat, they're actually saying fat people are unsexualized compared to a fit person completely covered up.

[@elgatofelix8917]

True

[@elgatofelix8917]

9:04 I seriously want to know if the staff at Unreal Engine actually "partnered" with Dove to put out this absolute cringe ad because Unreal Engine was used by SNK to make KOF XV which has quite frankly the sexiest female characters ever in video game history (and SNK did a damn good job of it I might add)

[@SubwayJack919]

@@elgatofelix8917 Gaming industry was the last place we had and they're taking/taken it. We didn't/don't organize like they do...and that has to change now.

[@SubwayJack919]

@@elgatofelix8917 Why wouldn't they? It's becoming apparent that the small amount of people that are trying to run and control everything and they aren't us.

[@zeening]

@@elgatofelix8917 rofl my friend i just googled that and JFC you need to play some more fucking video games if you think those are some of the sexiest female characters ever in video game history, literal generic anime girls dude >.

[@Haterator]

There's another sublime message here. So, that obese person is able to move around and do stunts like a fit person, as seen before when she squeezed herself in that armour (which in itself is nonsensical)? I don't think so, chief...

[@lukesilletta9295]

One thing nobody mentions is that its all about women. There is literally zero "stop oversexualizing men!!" people out there. When a man is fat, they know it and acknowledge it. But for some reason we have to live in a fantasy world when it comes to women. Where are the plus sized male models? Where are the plus sized male mannequins?

[@MarvinPowell1]

Not only that, but usually the ones who promote this "body positivity" crap tend to be the shittiest women on dating apps and such, who treat men like crap for being under six feet tall or not looking like a GigaChad. That's why you never see Lizzo going after fat men and she only wants white dudes with six packs. I've seen SO MANY _"I'm not a size 10, so don't be fatphobic. Oh, and I don't date men under 6', so if you're short, swipe left"_ profiles back in the day. I get it's projection and they only want these men so they can feel good about themselves, but the hypocrisy is outstanding.

[@foamqueen1075]

I went to the Nike store last week and I finally saw a fat Male inclusive mannequin! There was also one in perfect shape and one in between. Only seen this at the Nike store though,

[@ChrisMS0815]

Exactly all the male characters like Nathan Drake, Chris Redfield, and Dante can look as good and handsome as they are with nobody complaining. The moment a female protagonist looks good it's a problem. Nobody want to play as an ugly fat chick, the same way nobody wants to play as an ugly fat dude.

[@HypercatZ]

"There is not such a thing as oversexualized men!" They say "Fit muscular men are a male power fantasy!" They say

[@ChrisMS0815]

@chandllerburse737 No they don't, if they did you would see more protagonists built that way. But I can see some people picking them for hilarity but it's saying somthing if your only doing it for a laugh. Naughty Dog removed the Doughnut Drake skin in Uncharted so they don't even want ya'll to laugh at it.

[@maravreloaded]

Revealing clothes is just a problem with woman who have an appearence that would make man like them. When woman are unlikable then it's totally fine to have them using swimsuits and bikinis. Oh the hypocrisy.

[@gerardjagroo]

The ironic part of all of this is that if the character actually spent a lot of time running and jumping like in the game, they would not be so fat.

[@Livy21]

it is always my thoughts of why women and men inside a video are really fit , in a world where u run fight monsters and do all these jumping around , you can't be fat

[@varnix1006]

@@Livy21 it's literally impossible to be fat when you move THAT intensely.

[@MxrmGxrl4]

Don’t know why I haven’t thought of this before 😂 great point 👌🏾

[@aoihitori]

I didn't know that Beauty Shaming is a Thing, until these self-insert activist came in. I am using Dove for years now cuz that is what my doctor recommended to me since I had sensitive skin. I think I need to go back to my doctor to see if they could recommend something else.

[@ninjafoxgamesgeekery]

"Let's make virtual beauty, real." If you'd eat healthy and hit the gym, you'd resemble the virtual characters. Like I said in response to Dove's tweet, if women (and men) would spend 4-5 hours a day running, doing parkour, and training in boxing / MMA, then they'd look like the super heroes who run, jump around, and fight super villains all day. The X-Men spend time in....the gym. And the Danger Room. They train, they work out, they exercise, regularly. Spider-Man burns a ridiculous amount of calories basically being a nonstop gymnast swinging around the city for hours at a time. If you feel bad you don't look like those characters, you can make an effort to look more like those characters. The dudes and women in the WWE don't look the way they do by chance or by luck. They have to work hard to look the way they do (not counting the ones who use a little extra help). The athletes at the olympics don't have those bodies by luck or just genetics. They work hard and they're active. The characters in video games and movies are characters who work hard and are active. A woman standing 5'6" weighting 260 lbs is going to be out of breath before the fight starts.

[@TOONYBOY]

There's all that, but there's also just that I don't want characters do be changed to look like me, I want to look more like them. I always want those standards to be there for me to look at and think "Damn, I wish I was that". Whether or not it's actually achievable is besides the point (not really, it IS achievable as you pointed out), people who are inspirational aren't more like everyone else, people who are inspirational show what everyone else can do/be.

[@RisingPhoenixLily]

I can't even imagine someone overweight or underweight in a wrestling match. They'll be squashed in a second or, sadly, worse.

[@TOONYBOY]

@@dumpmail-xz2qp A revelation to no one. You can still look as good as him and pack a realistic punch if you wanted to. Chris Redfield punching a massive fuck-off boulder might be unrealistic, but so is people surviving numerous punches to the face by a guy built and trained to kill

[@ninjafoxgamesgeekery]

@@dumpmail-xz2qp Sure ya could. You just need to spend a lot of years training iron bones technique. It's not like Chris shattered the rock. He just punched it without any purpose. Punching rock doesn't increase leverage of pushing it.

[@TOONYBOY]

@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery He did punch the rock to move it though. His punch was what moved it after the QTE sequence had ended. I'm sure that the technique you mentioned can be used to improve your physique and fitness and strength, but punching a massive boulder will always be a massively impractical way of moving it

[@immunityvi6968]

Nicki Minaj is a BIG Chun Li fan. She never once advocated for Chun Li to be remade as a black girl; Nicki bodies Chun Li’s charm, fierceness, and aesthetic, and represents herself as Chun Li in aesthetic and fierceness. These woke women wants it the other way around; instead of striving to be like the character they admire, they want to force themselves to BE the character, aka Halle Bailey as Ariel, Mindy Kaling as Velma, etc, and changing them for the worst.

[@JessG_20]

and again, here they are portraying a female character as masculine rather than feminine. Just the way she carries herself and pushed herself back in that chair with her arms behind her head is very dude-like

[@MelonieMacGoBoom]

SO TRUE

[@majorgear1021]

I was waiting for the armpit hair to pop out. Luckily it didn’t.

[@yrysroda8592]

@@majorgear1021 lmfao

[@sidgar1]

It's basically implying that female empowerment comes from being more like men. Which is actually a big insult to women.

[@JessG_20]

@@sidgar1 yep!

[@ejluczak7015]

A Plague Tale Requiem was like that, you could tell this is what they were concerned with. They made Amecia homely, more tree trunk shaped and real ugly hair and pretty much powerless. The first one A Plague Tale Innocence Amecia was awesome, beautiful yet brutal.

[@therealstephentv]

I'm glad you're bringing awareness to this Melonie. I commented about this on twitter myself. Such unhealthy promotion of health. Always love watching your video. Another good one. Always appreciate you 🤗💛💛💛

[@therealstephentv]

And she chooses the BIGGER weapon too. Take care Melonie

[@bourbonnaissance]

those armors look more like a container than a shell to protect the one within

[@Tyhar93]

When you said Dove I thought "Dove? The soap bar company?" I'm still a little shocked. Does anyone actually care Dove Soap's opinions about anything? 😂

[@SuperBearPoo]

People don't even need to lift weights to be healthy. You mainly just need to eat healthy and not have a sedentary lifestyle.

[@tacksgmvs2070]

I don’t see what’s so wrong with trying to get fit and trying to look attractive. I said this on twitter, but I would rather make myself look better and make myself feel better. Thank you again for calling this crap out Melonie. It’s very motivating and very inspirational to me.

[@DruuzilTechGames]

Because it requires personal responsibility. Leftists don't believe in merit.

[@bpearsell]

I 100% agree. I have been going to the gym recently too, to improve my health. I want my future intimate partner to be fit and physically attractive, not some lazy Lizzo sized blob who thinks being fat is beautiful.

[@tacksgmvs2070]

@@bpearsell Right. Same.

[@Rokoi518]

Am I the only one who is laughing about this thing so hard that it hurts? I’m not mad, shocked, upset or surprised even. I’m just genuinely laughing my ass off.

[@Cward5656]

I want to point out that the before girl has more armor on than a "sexualized woman" would typically have. I'm talking armor bras and metal bikinis that show a lot of skin. This is a testament to how much these people know and just want something to scream about to cure their social justice blueballs

[@pasalasaga]

The thing is. Normally, when a woman sees another woman who is definetly more attractive than her, she tends to critize her, that's why there people who says "women are sexualized". But when dudes sees another dude being buff, athletic or very elegant, we don't critize It, we just get inspired by It or don't care.

[@Nakob116]

I remember when Cross-Realm parties became available in WoW. My team decided to run AQ just for transmog and fun. When I showed up to the raid, I was trying to put names to characters. There was one character, a Death Knight, that I was shocked by her appearance. She had almost no clothes on and was showing a lot of skin. Eventually I figured out it was one of my female coworkers. She loves to play in her battle bikini on her plate wearing character. Eventually, a paladin on the team also a woman decided to do the same thing.

[@oplars6487]

Yeah I remember dropping a green thing somewhere in one of the old dungeons, I believe it was zul farrak, put it in to the auction house for fun and it was ridiculously expensive. Turns out it was some kind of bikini and people are thirsting for slutmogs lmao

[@mr.x6313]

It is NOT the role of corporations, companies, or even independent creators to build one’s self-esteem. That is absurd.

[@kdog3908]

Generally, video game characters are supposed to be aspirational. Dove played themselves. Spectacularly.

[@sydneexxceasy9063]

Lol thats because dove is useless. They aren't the best in soap deodorant shampoo body wash or anything. This is what happens when old brands try to refresh themselves

[@detectiverohan]

DJ Khaled style: "Congratulations. Ya played yourself."

[@TheMattVis]

Like, why they think fictional main characters made to be attractive to begin with? So people would buy that, that's the selling point. This like saying to obese person that came to Mcdonald everyday to stop eating junk food and be healthy. You don't do that, cause they literally the perfect buyer for you.

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

They also _chronically_ misunderstand video game mechanics. Broadly speaking, the smaller, lighter characters are there for stealth and lightning strikes. They're faster, more nimble and can usually deliver ranged attacks, but their blows are less powerful and give less damage to opponents. The bigger, slower characters like this chick are the tanks, hefting heavier weapons with shorter range but with more devastating power behind their blows. That's the basic trade-off you make when you choose a character, power for movement. This clueless ad has this tank chick doing back-flipping gymnastics _and_ one-shotting what looks like a level boss from a hundred yards away with a power sword. Make her a wizard as well and the game practically plays its damned self. This is not a game I'm in a hurry to play.. It looks like a walk.

[@HypercatZ]

@@The_Mighty_Fiction Exactly! The only videogames where fat women would be perfect are wrestling games. There was an all female wrestling arcade game long time ago, called Body Slam, with half of the girls being "plus" size, and that was working because they had the stretch on their side, while the other ones had the speed.

[@ahuman4386]

Oh man, thanks for the memory of that T-Rex moment in the original TR! You make it to a big open area in the underground but it is so dark, you only see very limited distance. Then, all of a sudden, "BOOM BOOM BOOM ROAR!" and a huge T-Rex head coming at you! I am a dude and had other dudes around me (was in the military at the time) and all of us got scared from that! I survived with my shotty and running around like a madman! lol It was a great moment!

[@Underworlddream]

Agree, her "skinney" characters design was a bit more Muscular and Athletic then "Super skinny and Sexy". Now the overtain window have move so far that Muscler and Athletic is viewed as unrealistic "Super Skinny and Sexy".

[@thatHARVguy]

Body Positive: "That's an unattainable beauty standard!" Us: "No. It's totally attainable. You just have to get off your butt and put in the work for it." Body Positive: "REEE!!!" nom nom nom 🍰

[@blacksheepwall79]

One of the best "Body Positivity" characters I have ever seen is Mei from Overwatch. They didnt make a fuss about her body, they just made her what she was, and she's the cutest character in the game.

[@_Paul_N]

Mei has so much rule 34 material that it’s insane 🤣. She’s adorable with some chub. Too bad most female characters these days have severely masculine faces and flat front and backsides. Theres like no jiggle anywhere lol.

[@knessing7681]

It's not just in video games but also in comic and tv/movies where cute/attractive/beautiful women are made ugly, case in point (very good example) Rose Tico, she's a cute girl, but the star wars movie gived her a bad haircut and put a brown potato sack over her. And the reason why "male feminist" supports this is because by lowering the beauty standard, they feel and think they have a shot at dating a girl that would be otherwise out of their league, they're basically lowering the bar/standards down to their level of ugly. These people have self-image issues, instead of working on themselves, they're trying to change reality and standards to their own levels

[@ForcePF]

The irony is, there are barely any sexy female characters in video games these days...

[@DarthSoto78]

I think the worst is when a character creator won't let you make a sexy female character even when you try.

[@zenixvampirchik652]

@@DarthSoto78 imagine in the future we will get a cool chracter creator for some game, with insane amount of options and variety. But with "unrealistic gauge" - if you make the girl too good looking, game will not let you confirm creation and play as her

[@helgenlane]

There are barely any good video games these days* The industry has been dead since like 2015. It only recently started to slowly come back. Also, where are the sexy male characters? Only in asian games, same with female characters as well.

[@zenixvampirchik652]

@@helgenlane there were plenty of good games tho. It's just that there's more shitty ones too.

[@helgenlane]

@@zenixvampirchik652 nah, only Playstation exclusives and just a couple of gems maybe once a year. Look at 2015 and before that, every year 4+ really good games for all platforms.

[@takedakurosawa5416]

This is why Japanese games are winning and American games are losing.

[@tomround8271]

I think it's marketing genius. Soap company markets itself to the people with the most surface area.

[@thatHARVguy]

It rubs the lotion on its skin...

[@benyaminobedsigarlaki2316]

0:40 I laugh immediately when the cat enters the room soon after she mentions the girl next door. 🤣🤣🤣

[@boomingbob1579]

Notice the Outfit they had as the character looks oddly familiar to a certain character

[@TempoLOOKING]

Overwatch?

[@boomingbob1579]

@@TempoLOOKING it had the Outfit of Laura Croft unless I’m missing something

[@pyro5159]

Why would these people think someone who's physically active could promote being a zeppelin

[@scasimir1000]

As a side note, dove or anyone as complaining about video game characters who are women being sexualized know that they're such thing called a lesbian. Lesbian women like attractive sexy women or did they forget that? I think they forgot it

[@caliginousmoira8565]

it seems in media if you are a lesbian you have to be ugly.... i know some crazy attractive lesbians.

[@ekhidna4]

1.- How in the ever-living hell did she manage to BREATHE inside that armor. 2.- That is the strongest armor in the universe to keep 80% of her body compressed like that. 3.- Women characters need to be ugly/fat/unhealthy, but male characters still need to be tall, muscular, and handsome just weak emotionally and personality wise.

[@silverscorpio24]

"I am not supporting corn." 😂

[@HerrScherzkeks]

The thing behind all this, is because some people get jealous of others that have the motivation and drive to get it all in check. Instead of doing the same for themselves, its much easier to just piss on others who take care of themselves, than doing what's necessary to better themselves. If someone has a medical reason or some other reason to be in a certain physical condition, like you said, that's fine, Im not knocking that. Its the people who are too lazy and just prefer to knock others and try to warp things, instead of getting up and getting the job done that are the problem.

[@josephcrabtree3224]

Great to see people pushing back on this. I don't know anyone that wants to play a fat/unhealthy looking character in a game, my nieces certainly don't, lol. You're an inspiration Melonie. I need to get my nieces to watch some of your streams next time I go for a visit (*^‿^*)

[@MelonieMacGoBoom]

Thank you so much! :D

[@josephcrabtree3224]

@@MelonieMacGoBoom Of course, Melonie. (I did it again. Edited right as you were liking/commenting, lol.)

[@Hutchdh]

I know what you mean with your nieces comment. Once waited 30 minutes for a girl to finish designing her character. When she finished, she said she gave up making the perfect character because all the designs were ugly.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

​@@josephcrabtree3224>>> FWIW: I figured out quite a while back that when you go back and edit your comment AFTER the channel "❤️'s" it, the ❤️ disappears. I quit editing my comments after they were ❤️'d, even if I found a spelling or punctuation mistake later.

[@josephcrabtree3224]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman The problem was I edited to tweak the wording at the same time as she liked it.

[@leviathankraken]

I cant wait to see the rage when modders go in and "fix" their appearance

[@THESLICKNESSEDM]

I hate what they did to Lara 😭

[@majorgear1021]

Same. They ruined my waifu.

[@Jolly123123123]

Gluttony is a cardinal Sin

[@DJVirgoNeun1]

Envy is the worst!

[@Antbaze97]

As a guy who likes playing as beautiful female characters in Video games they need to stop that. Thank god for Japanese video games. I like the sailor moon shirt as well 😁

[@Jay-kl7vk]

Oh yeah

[@shadowbanned15]

You know what burns calories? Adventuring and fighting enemies.

[@antisocialjustice]

They're all for "realism" when it means ugliness, and against it when it comes to girlboss action heroes.

[@nocturnaladdiction652]

That''s why indie developers are praised and wanted more and more :)

[@g.tropicsun1029]

I think video game companies should focus more on good storytelling, good gameplay, and maybe good character development first. After they finish doing all of that, they can focus on body types. There are already diverse body types in video games; the Overwatch playable character roster and League of Legends champion roster are good examples.

[@leoperez636]

You know shes gonna be heaving heavily as soon as she swings that sword once...maybe twice.

[@marvelousmaker]

So Dove has branched out from body wash To Brain Wash.

[@DemonKnight94]

"Buy more of our icecream"

[@ejdupont]

I've said this before. I don't want to play a game as a 52 year old overweight single father. I want to be epic...A Vault Hunter...Demon slayer. A version of me walking around a maze eating pellets and dodging ghosts isn't appealing.

[@IgnatiusAlpha]

Absolutely ridiculous. As an overweight guy, I wouldn't want to see myself more represented in media. I want to get healthier by exercising more and eating less.

[@louashfield5902]

>> Before, she had an fit hour glass body and clad in armor. Light enough to move and the armor helps. The excess armor could imbede movement a bit if we crank logic to max. >> After, she's overweight with exposed skin and less armor. Too heavy to move, and skin is too exposed for hits. Less armor to be able to move with such weight with logic uped to 9000%!? *404 not found!* *_Logic just commited Seppuku to protect its honor ((And sanity))_*

[@szaman1701]

First of all, fantastic shirt :), second I'm happy that actually a woman said that, because if a guy would do that kind of commentary, he would probably be hailed as misogynist or sexist, I guess. Third, I wonder why there are no complaints in those kind of actions how mean are unrealistically presented in games? Wouldn't be grand seeing Gerald of Rivia with a dad bod or obese Kratos or Adam Jensen that is flat out fat? Also, your argumentation reminds me thing with Bayonetta games, where some were complaining about unrealistic beauty standard of the main character, and that she were designed by horny man, later it turned out that the character was designed solely by women.

[@pushitlpvo]

Used to use whales for soap.. now soap’s using whales.. odd times indeed.

[@LPeck1985]

Fucking brilliant. 😂👍

[@lifeless-pilot3036]

So basically they’re saying being overly sexualized is your fault for being pretty, and not the sexualizer. Also I feel like there are games that do have attractive male characters too, but I can see when its an issue when a female character has literal bikini armor. In general it shouldn’t matter because they aren’t real people. I mean im a gay man and I find many of the male characters attractive, so should we start making unattractive male characters?

[@SpectreStatus]

I've been telling my father to stop using Dove for YEARS.. and then they go and do something like this. 😄 Just glorious.

[@salvosalva]

It's a shame because I really love the fragrance of Dove's male products. I will have to find an alternative.

[@galactica0433]

I am male. I do a physical job and have a good physique, I do not go to the gym or do work outs so i'm not exactly ripped or anything. I play video games, most of the time the character is a giga chad with an 8pack and whose biceps have biceps. I dont exactly feel represented by Kratos from God of War. At the same time I wouldnt want Kratos to be slim and vaguely muscular. If you need to see yourself represented in a video game, then go buy The Sims and live out your sad life in a virtual world.

[@vexvega5225]

Dove: stop sexualizing women *makes woman chunky People who fetish chunky women: 😏

[@rattales58]

A win is a win

[@Raidoven]

they winning frfr

[@symptomofsouls]

Chubby chasers always winning

[@PerseusClassic]

You mean obese.

[@marcuskahn3783]

mexican supersized chuffle shuffler sim 2023 published by Dove Interactive.

[@briancrooks5982]

The reason people in general are threatened by beauty is because, deep down inside, they know that they themselves are ugly on the inside and seeing outward beauty reminds them of this….people that are ugly inside only get pleasure by seeing others just as miserable as themselves

[@m3tr0id86]

On Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis I made a look that is the likeness of a woman named Avithall that is like sister to me, especially in a look that she may want to try later, because I am a bit of a fashionista as I appreciate the art of all things and fashion is one and she cosplays sometimes which I share some ideas for her sometimes. AND physically fit and works out to maintain that look and is one example a woman people should look up to other than you.