Men Are "Quitting Work Forever", And Nobody Knows Why

[@Fads]

Thanks for watching :) As usual, this is edited from a livestream (I stream on KZbin every Friday at 7.30pm EST) This is intended as an overview and there are a many more angles to this story that I didn’t cover - for example reducing college attendance rates (amongst men) as a factor. Huge incarceration rates too. Like most of the issues with work, you could probably solve like 80% of it by paying people more lol. I highly recommend checking out the papers in the description if you are interesting in reading more about this whole situation. Also opioid prescription rates have (thankfully) been falling for the last few years, but the influx of opioids like fent through the illegal market has meant that they still play a huge role in society today. It’s so far from being a solved issue. It’s also worth mentioning that reducing male workforce participation is only very loosely related to women joining the workforce post-WW2. We talked about it a bit on stream but women’s participation has largely stagnated since the 2000s and men’s has continued on its trend. That is a whole ‘nother story that I wouldn’t be able to do justice in this video imo!

[@danmthemannotavailable]

Fuck, I'm so sad I missed this stream cause one of my friend's a neet. I bet there was so much covered. Thank you anyway for the topic and video. Your talent is amazing, and I hope you keep bringing on the energy Fads. It's like niche, but an amazing corner of KZbin to get sucked into. Thanks bud.

[@nolslifegren]

Toon lad ?

[@Chicago48]

And women have picked up the slack. It's sad because women have to carry the heavy load now, taking care of families, mothers/fathers, children, and may be in a caretaker job. I notice more "gay" men in the nursing field and teaching field. The "manly" man is hardly around. There are MORE female doctors.

[@Chicago48]

I think the gaming man has taken over. They want to game all day and watch sports TV all day. They don't even watch the Nerdy game shows that test their brain skills. If the US cutoff their disability payments, then the US would have to mandate that they get cured of drugs. Or else you would have mass homelessness.

[@raze2012_]

"Like most of the issues with work, you could probably solve like 80% of it by paying people more lol." ain't that the truth. We've tried nothing and we're all out of idea. But I guess these days business would sooner fall into a depression than fathom the idea of making sure their labor can actually sleep under a roof.

[@0mikr0n]

I keep applying and no one is responding. Fake jobs are a scourge that are killing us.

[@TheNewRobotMaster]

We might have to leave Rhode Island for this one

[@SenatorFreddyQuimby]

Sheeeet I thought i was imagining it😒

[@aluisious]

@@waynealan3067 Do you run your own business?

[@woozie_tv]

Waiting on the politician or even all the way up to a president to address this. They always spout unemployment rates as a win or loss for them. If they penalized companies who advertise fake jobs that shit would drop drastically. People want to work yet we spend hours applying to jobs companies are not even worried about filling.

[@rickyayy]

There are no jobs

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Easy answer: starting wages are not high enough to cover rent, healthcare, junk car, and food. So it's not even viable to accept the job.

[@bunglung]

This is a massive problem that doesn't get addressed

[@zoroark567]

Yup. It's not holding out for a "unicorn job," when every job doesn't even pay enough to survive, how could you justify taking it?

[@Cyberpunk_Radio_PBS]

Yeah why would people work of they don't get a roof over their head and food to eat as a result?

[@__-tz6xx]

It is paying to work instead of working to get paid.

[@nathaniellindner313]

"The housing crisis is the Everything crisis" continues to be true and seems to get more true every day.

[@aff77141]

Lmao. "Holding out for the unicorn role" is hilarious whsn most companies are holding out for the unicorn worker to even hire, let alone treat like a person

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

It's much funnier when you look at what the definition of this unicorn role is A job that can pay your bills and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg to do. That is the "impossible" standard of jobs people have today

[@raze2012_]

The balls for them to say "decent opportunities" and act as if anyone they'd hire can't do basic arithmetic and realize that those "stepping stones" may not even keep a roof over their head. Work to live. if you're working but not living, what's the optics in that? Of course I'd rather take unemployment than spend 30-40 hours and still not be able to pay rent.

[@cheekiblin690]

Or when you take these "stepping stone" roles, only for the job you were promised to go to one of the bosses kids, or kids friends!

[@ndorib]

It's like Tinder, but in the Work environnement....😂😂😂😂

[@SpriteGuard]

Those stepping stone roles are the first to go when layoff time comes. I could eat beans and rice in an apartment for a year if I actually believed it was a stepping stone to anything.

[@manwiththeredface7821]

"They didn't actually interview any NEETs, but they did interview people who worked in HR." I'm not a NEET but this was baffling to hear. Had the Fortune magazine been around during the French revolution I'm sure they'd have interviewed Marie Antoinette of all people about the situation and there would have been a hitpiece about those "pesky peasants".

[@Blue257]

Marie Antoinette was a good person, the negative things you have heard about her is propaganda. FYI she never said "let them eat cake". Judeao-masonry wanted to take over France, starting seditions and killing leaders is nothing not surprising.

[@kyle7143]

You really have to wonder what the motivation was for excluding the very people they're speculating about. I think it's because our culture is sick and that it doesn't actually want truth if it doesn't serve the bottom line or the interests of those with more power than you. God help you if you can't convincingly tow the line because you will be beat down for standing out.

[@MasterGhostf]

@@kyle7143 Its why they don't interview homeless people. They are seen as "others", not in the same social spaces.

[@raze2012_]

I'm not remotely surprised at this point. They really don't want to know the truth behind it. So of course they can't find an answer. They just want to bash off the younger generation as lazy, as usual.

[@TheTrollingMaster-xr9el]

The absolute brutality and insanity of the French Revolution is great example of what happens when society ignores the concerns of the downtrodden.

[@stranger6822]

How funny that the HR interviewee said candidates are holding out for a dream position. That's the experience of people seeking jobs, but in reverse. Companies can leave a position open seemingly indefinitely, searching for the perfect candidate while gathering data on potential applicants.

[@Delmworks]

Projection. Honestly, I feel HR are the worst kind of human beings. Same spot as lobbyists, fossil fuel magnates and tabloid writers.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

It's not a crime if you don't get caught 😂 -your friendly neighbourhood employer

[@shroomer3867]

I did an internship where I'm not sure whether everything was legal or not, but even with that boost to "experience" I am still having trouble finding any newer jobs. According to them I'm holding out for a "perfect job". In my eyes I'm baffled, why did I even spend the past year at an internship if neither the company I worked for nor other companies valued me enough to offer me a full time job position. It's almost as if companies use some sort of automated system which automatically disqualifies you if you don't have a random university degree/master even though the internships and the actual job doesn't require you to have one.

[@VVVVV00]

The cost of living is insane. Everyone is trying to accept any job they can get, HR is completely out of touch.

[@bugtest9401]

That’s called ‘projection’ 😂

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

"Fishermen aren't catching so many fish anymore; we invrestigated this from out office in South Dakota, 1,000 miles from the sea to find out why".

[@israeldavila27]

It's almost laughable, isn’t it? We’ve got office analysts a thousand miles from the ocean trying to figure out why fishermen aren’t catching fish, like it’s some shocking mystery that needs “data,” all while they sit safe and comfy in their cubicles. But if you actually talked to the people on the ground-or, in this case, the water-you’d know it’s not some hidden mystery. Overfishing, pollution, climate change, rising costs, quotas… it’s all adding up to fewer fish and harder work for less return. It’s like the men quitting work: you don’t need a lab coat and spreadsheets to see that burnout is real, health crises are crushing, and the work culture is straight up hostile. These industries treat their workers like expendable parts, squeezing them out until they’re empty, and then wonder why people are throwing up their hands. Maybe get out of the office, talk to the real people, and you’ll find out exactly why things are going downhill-because they’ve been saying it for years.

[@ETBrooD]

@@israeldavila27 Your whole comment reads like AI lmfao

[@SuperMurph1991]

@@ETBrooDyou’re just a bad communicator.

[@andoriannationalist3738]

It’s pure propaganda to shame us silent white male majority back in our box. I’m sorry I’ve done everything I was asked. This is not the fault of any weakness on my part. This is just elite deciding who they want to win. Who can build families and have children and who are “disincentivized”.

[@nothavoc9382]

​@@ETBrooD that doesnt read like Ai at all.. but your comment certainly reads like your not very bright.

[@thegingerwon2795]

No social contract anymore, working hard just makes some other person rich, and you get to divide what little you make into smaller and smaller peices to buy food, allowing some other persons boss to make more money that can be spent, and the remainder promised to a landlord that cant keep rain from coming through the roof

[@TheSmark666]

When was there ever a social contract? I don't recall ever signing anything.

[@butterbutler3451]

That’s the fun part you didn’t your parents did when they signed your birth certificate by force of imprisonment

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

@@TheSmark666 The point of the term "social contract" is that you sign it by living in the society.

[@suunnz]

@@TheSmark666it’s not a literal thing you sign. It’s something that has to be maintained by those in the society if you want to keep healthy order

[@jo18533]

@@TheSmark666 One example of the social contract was that if you worked a full time job, you would be able to buy a house. This is now broken for many many people.

[@Kaminah0]

I worked in pet care, at big chain pet hotels. I got thrown under the bus by my general manager for something that wasn't my fault. I was asked to sign a big stack of papers for a "write up" and instead turned in my notice. I gave them one month's notice so I could find a job and to train my replacement, as I was a department manager. They instead let me go the next day, and then fought me over my ability to claim unemployment. I spent nearly a year looking for work in another field, with no results. No callbacks. I eventually had to settle for another job in my previous field, at the same level, for 2 dollars an hour less than I had been paid more than a year before. And a word of advice for pet owners, never use a big name pet hotel. They care about corporate profits and not pet safety.

[@aluisious]

You gave your notice to them. That makes you ineligible for unemployment. You should read up on this stuff before you do things. If someone hands me a write up and tells me to sign, the answer is no. And I'm not giving notice.

[@BN-qo5zc]

Notice wasn't completed so they'd be eligible. Company changed it from quitting to firing by their actions. Probably trying to save a buck on payroll or severance, which is why the law is.written most places to prevent that sort of loophole and/or retaliation.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Our unemployment system is insane. It's crazy that the firm gets a veto on your ability to get unemployment.

[@Ella-g2m]

I had a place that I gave 2 weeks notice at, they decided to spite-fire me 3 days into that. I had been planning on taking a month off between jobs, unpaid. Instead I spun around and got unemployment pay out of them. You can't give notice anymore, companies respect nothing. There needs to be a law against this shit. Unfortunately Trump is not pro-workers-rights, so no progress on that will ever be made now.

[@navhaa]

What the hell is even a pet hotel?

[@jamie8703]

People keep saying "no one wants to work" when it seems like the reality is "few are willing to hire and fewer are willing to train"

[@FactsCountdown]

No one wants to be slave anymore

[@wolfman_jagermeistro8445]

Noone wants to pay

[@4mb127]

Why would I work? What's in it for me? Absolutely nothing. Why would I buy expensive meaningless gadgets from mega-corporations? Why would I buy a big house if I have nobody to share it with? Why would I buy a car if I have nowhere to go?

[@DayrusBPB]

Buy a flight ticket to somewhere lower cost of living to stretch the dollar

[@KNGDDDE]

We're all broke, stressed, and tired of being shxt on by capitalist. Why work lol, exactly

[@shiptj01]

True that.

[@VVVVV00]

​@@DayrusBPBcapitalism is an imperialist power that is taken over the world. Where will you go?

[@JR-lw3ms]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MrCobaltScar]

Everybody knows why lol it's obvious. Why toil in the tunnel when there's no light at the end.

[@lastnamefirstname2390]

Pretty much

[@ViktorVonDoom723]

Very well said

[@mrbrightside9609]

When the game is rigged, the only way to truly win is not to play at all.

[@belava82]

"Schrödinger's labor shortage" is a phenomenon where, simultaneously, people are massively unemployed and corporations are complaining about a lack of workers. Look at Steve Jobs. He was a college dropout, had zero experience, blatantly lied in his resume of working in HP and yet got a job in a high-tech industry (microelectronics in Atari) because his friend pitched him in. Moreover his hygiene was so bad that they put him to night shifts cause he smelled bad. This is how easy it was back then. Nobody wanted you to be the best, hyper-engaged, super-skilled professional with at least 3 years of experience in a super-narrow field. Back then you literally could smell like a dumpster, be a college dropout with zero experience, obviously lied in your resume and still got a job in a high-tech.

[@slimjim2584]

Steve jobs only amounted to anything because Xerox PARC let him and bill gates walk out of the building with a GUI system they rebuilt and sold under their brand. That and bill gates mothers connections at IBM got them essentially a monopoly on big blues computer system.

[@Kkubey]

Being interested in tech was all it took. Now there are hundreds of others who have learned about tech.

[@TarsonTalon]

Now you gotta lie about your race and gender.

[@declan-kr5if]

And when steve jobs interviewed candidates he was absolutely brutal, he was know for it. That's what the boomers did, they pulled the ladder up after themselves.

[@user-nu8in3ey8c]

@@declan-kr5if No, people are inherently selfish it seems. Steve Jobs lied to get his jobs, stole windows from Zerox, and then Mircorsoft stole it from him, and then they all pushed to get laws to keep people from stealing their code and lying to get hired, when they lied constantly and stole everything that was not nailed down. Just like today's generation would be just fine screwing over the elderly and the younger generations that come after them. Everyone is looking out for number one. Don't act like your generation would not do the same.

[@FeedMeSalt]

No possibility of a home or kids, why bother

[@ilikegearsofwar3]

^^^ 100 percent this

[@lfcbpro]

This is a very underrated opinion. No goal, nothing to work for.

[@MaydaTiger]

agreed I dont even know why bother

[@algum.cara1]

This.

[@Arejen03]

yep im 33 i gave up on looking for partner, im preety short 5'7, it feels just impossible so why bother

[@zeneck7387]

" People are holding out for the dream job " The dream job : -salary high enough to pay the bills and not starving to death. -work place close enough so employee doesn't need 4 hours to go to work. -not too many mandatory extra hours so that employee doesn't die by overwork. Indeed how dare they try to find a job that respects them as human beings ?!

[@JR-lw3ms]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

You forgot the last and most important point -Job security so the company doesnt lay you off oe force you to quit for one reason or another through excuses(e.g. the "comeback to office" after covid, which was an excuse to lay off as many people as possible)

[@cbradquillen]

If a salary is not high enough to pay bills and avert starvation... then how are they not starving when they're unemployed and have zero income? How and where are the NEETs living?

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

@@cbradquillen the conversation is about young adults so ofc is a mix between parental help and goverment welfare, not to mention that a partner could also be part of the mix

[@zeneck7387]

​@@cbradquillenHyperbole is a rhetorical device or figure of speech that involves deliberate and obvious exaggeration used for emphasis or effect.

[@moshow93]

I'm not an individualist. I work hard when others support and depend on me. If I'm alone, I will take the ascetic path and work as little as possible. Society has given me no buy in. No chance at retirement, owning property or having a family. Why would I work? Million of men are like this.

[@Forcebewithyou594]

No chance at retirement? Uh, open up your own retirement account. Most employers offer a 401k plan? I'm confused. Live for yourself and the life you desire to live.

[@raze2012_]

@@Forcebewithyou594 you didn't even pretend to watch the video huh? no one's hiring, entry-level is dead, opiod epidemic, increased physical and mental health issues. Skyrocketing rent and no hope of land ownership. Gee, why aren't men working? And this video didn't even go into the partner aspect of this whole thing...

[@moshow93]

@@Forcebewithyou594 out of touch.

[@lextacy2008]

Agreed, I stopped working because I come home to a 1 bedroom apartment with zero friends, zero family, and zero partner. I will start hard work when there is incentive and reciprocation

[@shiptj01]

@@Forcebewithyou594 He just said that he's not an individualist. It's hard for a lot of people to do things only for themselves. This culture celebrates narcissism.

[@TheIncridibleOne]

They know exactly why. They are just being dishonest about it

[@brucelin8950]

They are actually thinking the same as us. They don't wanna train employees and want skilled employees. Now they would rather not hire instead of training one.

[@bradley6386]

​@@brucelin8950good point

[@thehuelander9182]

Nobody knows why? It sounds to me like 5 million men might be able to tell them.

[@nealmccoy5727]

Number is much larger than that

[@stevenriften7561]

​@@nealmccoy5727 It's probably about 15 million honestly.

[@HungerSTR1KE]

One article said old men are telling their sons and grandsons not to go into the hero jobs due to low pay and high physical risk. The article gave the example of a veteran who warned his son off of enlisting because of how badly he was treated as a U.S. veteran. It's interesting to think about men's work choices in the context of how many older men they have in their lives. Even a generation or two ago, most men were dead BEFORE age 65 so these older voices wouldn't have been heard and generation after generation would make the same mistakes over and over.

[@Cindy-vz7vk]

Excellent point!

[@Sanakudou]

A lot of women’s career ambitions come from their mothers and grandmothers warning them about the big risks of financial dependency on a husband and to value self sufficiency above all else, so it honestly would make a lot of sense young men have received a similar form of intergenerational wisdom from the lived experiences of their fathers and grandfathers that has influenced their generation’s career decisions. My father was really against the idea of anyone becoming a tradesmen due to how much of a physical toll it had on our grandfather. So many tradesmen do intense physical labour for decades only to end up in chronic pain well before they reach the official retirement age, then instead of spending their savings on enjoying their twilight years it all goes to multiple joint replacement surgeries and pain meds. A lot of trades really aren’t jobs that can safely be done for the entirety of someone’s working life, yet there’s also no real “career ladder” that allows anyone to only do a trade for a short while and then progress to a less physical job, they’d have to completely uproot their life and retrain but most people don’t have the financial ability to do that, especially if they have a family relying on their income to survive. At least in the past people who owned their homes could take out a loan against the house to cover the costs of a career change but very few people in our generation will have that kind of financial safety net as home ownership is next to impossible, which means you’re going to be stuck in whatever career you start off in.

[@elosacle]

I got dire warnings from multiple family members to not join the military. One of my cousins suffers from constant health issues stemming from their service and an uncle died pretty early in my life.

[@skachor]

And possibly related - if you observe sitcoms over the decades family went from an essential support system to the first battlefront of the family members days. The dysfunctional family was packaged and sold as the way it was supposed to be around the 90s and it's only gotten worse. The replacement of this value has become materialism fueled by capitalism.

[@blaisetelfer8499]

A lot of tradesmen advised me against following their footsteps when I was a teen, and this was before the 2008 financial crisis. The average tradesman is for worse off financially now than they were then, yet I've noticed a surge in people online encouraging all men to "learn a trade" as a one-size-fits-all-solution. I'm starting to wonder how many of these people are actually in a blue collar job, and not just parroting talking points designed to flood the market with cheaper labor.

[@gigaus0]

Something that isn't covered here, but I keep seeing at my shop is that younger men are literally being turned away because they're too young. UPS will take just about anyone as long as you can lift a box, and has started to become the rock bottom job because of it; Most of the guys under 40 have the same story, which is 'I have the skills, I have the trade, and I was told no because I'm not 'seasoned' enough.' In the US, there is a pro age discrimination law federally. In plain English, it says you can't discriminate or deny work based on someone's age, but it only applies to people above the age of 40. Getting into the weeds of it, it even lists case examples where it's okay to deny someone of 20 years of age even when no one over 40 is applying. And a lot of businesses have started using this in the last decade to great effect. Why? No clue, ask them. But I can tell you, a good number of the warehouse jobs are revolving doors right now for young men who have actual skills to work, from office to technical to medical, who have been told for the last 10+ years no you're not allowed to have a job in your field. This has led a lot to stop even looking because why bother until you're 40?

[@Reconceal_music]

that is very easy to answer. It's because youngsters have the ability to fall back onto their family for social security. Companies know that a 22y old who lives with his parents will quit in a heartbeat if they threat him subpar in any way. They NEED you to be desperate and begging, which someone with (kind of) solved housing problem, childless, debt less, is less likely to be. Boomers and workaholics will jump on this and claim that young people are lazy and undependable, but that is just a product of them treating youngsters like shit.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

​@@Reconceal_musicExactly. As well as older people having to rely on the job to provide for their families and kids while younger people not really needing to most of the time. Who's more likely to bend backwards? The guy that has bills to pay and mouths to feed or the guy that's just chilling?

[@matKilla9801]

That’s exactly it. I got refused a promotion to another department and the reason they gave was that I wasn’t old enough. Despite the fact that I am the company’s top performer and have since proven myself vastly more capable than the white hair outside hire they picked for the role instead. Young men get age discriminated against in the workforce all the time, and with older people not retiring as much as they used to, the young people don’t stand a chance.

[@zoroark567]

Guy in my 20s w/ a professional degree working in a warehouse here. You've pretty much described my experience exactly.

[@MrKillswitch88]

@@Reconceal_music This is only true of those from the middle and upper classes while the poors are expected to work or rot away on the streets.

[@foolishlyfoolhardy6004]

To apply for a job these days you have to: - make an account on a businesses hiring site - put your details into an online form (or tell this AI bot your details so they can send them to a "career consultant" who cares about any perceived sense of privacy) - upload your resume - forget your resume and now put your previous work history and education into another part of the form - put down what hours can you work in excrutiating detail - fill out demographic information - write a cover letter begging for this job - submit form - now do this AI text "interview" - forget that do this online video interview instead - neved mind that, we're actually going to do an in person interview before we look at your other 2 interviews. - now come back again for your last interview - finally fill out and pay for this police check - come in for training - congrats you got the job... or maybe you didn't because you answered one of the AI chat interview questions with - "this chat is testing my patience but I'm still doing it just fine"

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

Isn't all this process idiotic to begin with. That is another problem of not getting a job,and companies hiring monkeys that just passed through the AI screened steps. Zero real people checking really the people's skills and mentality to be fit for the role.

[@staywokemedia986]

LMFAO somebody get this man a job A$AP …invaluable if u ask me…

[@JoshMcSwain]

HR guy: "ppl want some unicorn role" Also HR: we will only accept a unicorn employee That's rich

[@JSmith19858]

I didn't take a 'stepping stone' role when I first entered employment 25 years ago. I went to work in a role I was qualified to do, and was paid accordingly, and moved in to senior design roles, and then management, as I gained more experience. This seems like a catch all term for paying people less and treating them like garbage. Employers telling people you should expect that because it's a 'stepping stone'

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

It'll be quite the scene when the older, more specialized employees retire and these companies haven't been training their replacements.

[@Supercohboy]

@@GeneralChangFromDanang I mean it's already happening in the tech biz. People are losing their shit over it, but notice that there hasn't been a sudden surge of STEM-focused ads and computer science focused scholarships. Just a bunch of whiny CEOs and news headlines about the issue, but nothing of consequence is being done to help solve the problem. That's America nowadays. Land of the cutting-edge, home of the ignorant. If you want to make superweapons, boy do we have a job for you. But if you don't want to actively contribute to massacring people and you just want to design, for instance, home computer OSes, have fun trying to climb a broken ladder while your coworkers and your boss try to sabotage you at every turn just so they can get a chance at NO LONGER BEING A CONTRACT WORKER. In case people weren't aware, the tech industry is trying to turn everyone into a subcontracted wage slave that gets reduced pay and no benefits. But why aren't people workingggg???? I don't know, its crazyyyy!!! /s

[@constellationorion8679]

@@GeneralChangFromDanang looking forward to the shtshow

[@wolfman_jagermeistro8445]

Exactly. Ive been told this all my life by older folks. Get a skill, but we wont teach you. Get a better job but we wont give it to you with out 5 years of experience. Sorry guess youll have to spend years breaking your back and living under a bridge because we dont pay you enough to even survive

[@lindatullos9430]

Why should they work if it doesn't pay the bills anyway. Might as well live off the land.

[@subdynoman]

If there was any, gov owns it all.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

@@subdynoman Government and the rich/corporations own all, but yes.

[@cc1k435]

​@@subdynomanCORPORATIONS own it all. They're allowed to and encouraged by the GOP. 😮

[@subdynoman]

@cc1k435 what about unpopulated areas? There are huge amounts of land here in California that is just open land, who owns that? How can any one entity just put a price tag on what should be free.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

@@subdynoman Private property or government land by default. All land is owned by someone under capitalism, so no.

[@SenatorFreddyQuimby]

I think you're so insightful and articulate. Please don't stop making your vids. If you need a break, take it. Just know you're really speaking to me. I've been homeless for 4 years. Keep trying to get back on my feet, but failing. I'm still trying. But it aint freakin easy. It's content like yours that helps me keep a healthy outlook

[@Maclues]

Please never quit

[@sashamoore9691]

Probably bc most men are on drugs and burn bridges.

[@ryshow9118]

I've been back and forth for nearly a decade now. Almost everything I make goes to my son who's with his mother. At 40, I don't feel like I can break out of this cycle anymore.

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

You're joking right? This video is an entire session of dodging the obvious answer for PR purposes. Low quality employment with ludicrous requirements, fake jobs, excessive cost of living. There's simply no point. The economy is fucked and we all gotta wait until the money hoarders finally die of old age before anyone takes a chance on something as risky as a regular college student anymore.

[@One_Pun]

That HR interview answer sums up everything I hated about HR's and the "we are family here" office environment throughout the 13 years of my working experience.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

I've never had a good experience with HR

[@tanura5830]

Why would I work? Income 2000, small apartment 2400 rent. I can't even cover rent how am I supposed to make a living.

[@davidc8982]

I get your reasoning but can i ask how you afford to live with no income?

[@tanura5830]

​@@davidc8982 I can't afford to live. I don't live. I live with parents right now. And I have saved money. I am looking for solution. Not working is not the solution but working is also not solution. Time to revolt I guess.

[@davidc8982]

@tanura5830 thank you for replying. Of course the living with parents (partial) solution is not going to last for many more years. Most people with a house now are likely to have to sell it to have any sort of liveable pension. It's all heading to a big crash and every attempt to prop it up since 2008 is just going to make the inevitable crash all the bigger.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

@@davidc8982 Why would you work if your homeless? If working keeps you homeless while dealing with other bs for no potential future. If your f-ed if you do and f-ed if you don't. Then you have no incentive to do anything. If you worked and earned $2,000/month, meanwhile rent alone is $2,400. Why would you work if it leads to nothing?

[@cc1k435]

​@@davidc8982Since before that. Corporations have been settling us all up to fail since the GWBush era, at LEAST. 😢

[@knifeghandi]

It's so depressing that video makers feel they have to censor themselves from saying "suicide", it's such a vital conversation. Good video.

[@ellia.vagabond]

I mean... They don't just "feel" they have to, that actually have to. If they don't, KZbin will swoop in behind their upload and demonetize the video while nuking it in the algorithm so it never gets seen. And that's if they don't strike it from the platform entirely for being too graphic. It's a platform issue.

[@Grimmlocked]

@@ellia.vagabond right becasue youtube thinks if we can't say the words then it doesn't exist

[@MariW736]

@@Grimmlocked KZbin doesn’t care if it exists or not. They don’t care if any of us do it or not. They only care about getting advertising money from the companies whose videos play directly before and after discussions about it.

[@bandita2068]

Social media is designed to sell /advertise print billions > anything negatively affecting that business gets cut out for financial reasons.Critical thinking beings with higher than zero IQ do not consume so much crap so they are not the ones they want to cater to.

[@ShuckleII]

"Uh oh~ Society is crumbling and it's leading to suicides, we better censor it, surely that'll fix their lives and ours!"

[@shrunkensimon]

The system is crooked, the table is tilted, the game is rigged. That's all there is to it. The people who run it do not live in the same reality we do, so they see men as numbers.. tax producing units. This mindset permeates from the top down, into the business world and governments. We've crossed the threshold where numerous factors (housing, CoL, low salaries, social life, environmental stressors, etc) are now calculated by the individual to be insurmountable. So the only logical conclusion is to pull back and turn away - the expression 'pissing into the wind' just about sums it up.

[@Caliban743]

If I cant afford to have a family, what's the point of doing anything

[@sashamoore9691]

Illegals are taking jobs from American men and American men must fight back! Don’t allow immigrants to steal ur joy or hopes of a family you will produce and can provide for one day

[@kelloginc1]

So sad I’d love to start a family but it’s just not very financially feasible. If only there was money. Oh wait, there is, the elite class took it all, I forgot

[@UC3M9QmuafgJ7GCcEF2HDNQA]

*printed it all

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Why do you need to have a family? That's just bizarre

[@loganblackwood2922]

​@@wyleecoyotee4252 Because not everyone wants to live like a bitter and twisted internet ideologue that wants everyone to have no connections or relationships with other humans and live instead as automatons.

[@Soraviel]

There's simply no point in trying when society is shit anyway across the board

[@inbb510]

What a privileged statement.

[@andrewevans7992]

@@inbb510ya ok..

[@inbb510]

@@andrewevans7992 , western people are too used to exploiting from other countries and have now realised that you will actually need to work hard if you want something good. Not the other way round. It's a privilege because benefits come from somewhere and that's from honest hardworking people who somewhat recognise the above.

[@raze2012_]

@@inbb510 society doesn't want to hire you, doesn't want to train you, and doesn't want to pay you. I guess that's the ultimate "priveledge" when you hear the quiet parts being said out loud these days and you listen

[@inbb510]

@@raze2012_ , that's not what OP said though. It is still a privilege to be able to get things like unemployment benefits as that comes from the contribution of people in work. I struggled getting a job after graduation and that was at the height of lock down when all companies where furloughing. But in terms of training, there are TONS of free material out there in the internet these days from coding to electronics to data analysis to AI. The idea that you can't train while out of a job was maybe the case 20 years ago but completely BS these days. Coding - freecodecamp channel Data Analysis - Datacamp course for $25 AI - Free course on Basics, GANs, and GPT models offered by Google Electronics - many channels offer free playlists

[@veritaspk]

There are many reasons for this - wages are low, the work atmosphere is poor, men have no motivation to put up with all this - because they have no one to work for who would appreciate their work. I managed to avoid most of these pitfalls - but I was extremely lucky - I feel that my hard work had little to do with it.

[@jo18533]

How did you avoid the pitfalls?

[@veritaspk]

@@jo18533 When it comes to professional life, there was a lot of good luck. Being an introvert also helped - I had a lot of time to learn the skills that allowed me to find a good job. As for my private life, it's much less fortunate - but introversion also helps here - I have a few friends - that's enough for me - I don't feel lonely - most of the time. And when things are bad, stoicism helps. We choose how we will feel in response to life - dwelling on our failures does not lead to anything good.

[@ОксанаЧернохвостенко]

why don't men want to work for themselves? men really do hate themselves

[@WhichDoctor1]

I know several people in the us who are mentally and or physically not well, but are going out to work anyway. And it’s not helping them at all. Mostly they’re working in minimum wage, high intensity customer service jobs with close to zero job security. They are making monumental efforts to get out to work despite the health issues holding them back, and all they’re getting in return is abuse from customers, bullying from managers and exhaustion. It’s not making them stronger, it’s grinding them down. And I can’t imagine most them will last like that forever

[@yungmentalproblems]

This is me lol

[@Praisethesunson]

A bunch of young unemployed men muddling around a nation is a recipe for social instability

[@insomniacresurrected1000]

There is police presence where the rich live. Don’t worry.

[@chaquator]

@@insomniacresurrected1000glad someone's thinking about the rich people for once!

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

Everybody making the surprised pikachu face when society collapses because they alienated men from itself and work:

[@foxkillingtime]

Look around every city in the UK There's plenty of work that needs doing.

[@TimEssDub]

And a recipe for an unnecessary war

[@ShadowOfMoria]

why would anyone ask HR about unemployment, wtf? They're not experts...

[@nerfherder4284]

Yeah, Human Resources as a term is the problem. In China the term is Huminerals, as in people as a resource to be mined is used. People in HR are definitely not specially trained labor experts. FAR from it.

[@plutos9349]

Yet another reason to hate HR

[@andrewevans7992]

They are ran by women..

[@israeldavila27]

They’re the gatekeepers of the corporate machine, keeping the gears turning, no matter who gets chewed up in the process.

[@johnathandemarest2688]

Btw Its 78% female dominated profession. Notice the news never talks about that.

[@J.A.R.S.]

Companies looking for people to do more for less, for a job as receptionist, I was also asked to run payrolls, sales, logistics and IT, for the salary of only one of those positions. To clarify I mean doing those full roles, not just supporting them.

[@lextacy2008]

When you said IT , to what extent? Did you have to configure switches and routers?

[@J.A.R.S.]

@lextacy2008 no, they had that with a 3rd party, for them IT involved solving computer problems around the office and implementing new tools and software.

[@HyperVegitoDBZ]

​@@J.A.R.S.jesus christ... this is just horryfing

[@J.A.R.S.]

@@HyperVegitoDBZ to make it worse this is in mexico for a salary that usually tops at 800usd a month.

[@Supercohboy]

This is a huge contributor. Almost every job I've worked has really been 2+ jobs combined together. Then people act surprised when a large chunk of the workforce burns out, okkk. I fucking hate how stupid our society is and our leaders are. And how manufactured so much of it is. So much of the world is stupid and worse on purpose, just because a couple of idiots with pale skin and money decided to cut a couple corners and invoke a few horrible policies into their little section of the world, and their horrible decisions basically algae bloomed everywhere, destroying our economy and our lives and our futures. Fuck, this reality is bullshit. I was sold a certain worldview and what I got instead upon reaching adulthood is the sum of every previous generations' mistakes, not their successes. Yeah, great, we have A/C and medicine. It doesn't matter if everyone is sick and miserable anyways. And if everything we touch or consume has been poisoned. And if people can't properly prioritize the issues that exist in our world.

[@theloststarbounder]

Discrimination, low wages, ghosting

[@thoughtcriminal-k5l]

Just change your name and identify as being an oppressed group.

[@insomniacresurrected1000]

Lot of job listings are personal data baits.

[@gigaus0]

The thing about the disability thing is that a sizable minority of those cases are people who should be getting workers comp, but can't prove it. I've had guys who were on disability for a good year or two because of a leg cripple or smashed hand at work, but company pulled legal and managed to get it switched to disability rather than worker's comp. Depending what state you live in, the worker gets more on disability, but the company doesn't have to pay it; Worker's comp comes out of the company's insurance for the majority of the states. So that 900k that stopped claiming are either people who were on disability for work place injuries that were temporary, or flat passed away.

[@Itsgone99]

Sounds to me like the manager is using the workers comp pool as a slush fund when they shouldn't be...

[@shroomer3867]

And that's why companies don't want to hire them. What a world we live in

[@raze2012_]

@@shroomer3867 Doesn't follow safety protocol workers get injured wants to avoid workers comp loses good talent and becomes a revolving door "No body wants to work anymore!"

[@gwky]

Crime pays better than work anyway, might as well do that if you're unemployed. The worst they can give you is free room and board and food and at best you'll make quite a decent living. Really, a bad man is just a good man's job.

[@mojojojo9634]

they own the prisons, too. you may get "free" room and board but you will work like a slave in prison, just to line their pockets. nowhere is safe from them.

[@GreyOatmeal]

@@mojojojo9634 If they force you to work they lose their moral high ground on the world stage and pre-empt themselves for nuclear liberation. Fuck off.

[@CarpeCerebrum]

literally though.. i made significantly more money turning a hobby of growing shrooms into a biz for a few years than i ever have in 13 years doing masonry. Been back in masonry for a couple years now, ridiculously overqualified and underpaid and thinking i should just go back to what not only earned 3x what i get now but was my own personal zen space of happiness in "work" which i've never felt even close such a level while doing anything legally.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

Yeah, there's no way to be a good human being in an evil world. If it pays the bills it pays the bills 🤷

[@moaianface]

What bad advice prison is alot worse then just "getting a free room and food".

[@spaceteapot]

Women basically dominate the workforce, and guys that give them the "ick" are actively shunned, their input is not valued, nor are they promoted. I didnt go to university only to have my ideas shunned and belittled by highschool children that my employer somehow prefers because they just follow orders, dont ask questions, and dont try anything new. I've just felt much better since leaving my job.

[@LinDeGenette]

I have thought of the increase of neets to be a silent strike from the increase of bad and non-existing jobs. When you only get minimum wage, no benefits, get subtrakted in pay as punishment or for your uniform or gas, manipulation from bosses, have to compete with incarcerated workers and possibly also kids soon thanks to the impending laxing of child labour laws, working really is a 🦀shoot. I can't understand why there aren't masses in the streets due to what workers face in the US. On top of that, women face the same problems but also have to handle this, harassment and lack of health care. If passive protest doesn't work, why not try something else? And try find each other again so you can understand it's not an individual problem and make community. Eat together, create community and backyard gardens, plan together and create unions - the collective also have a power as long as they work together ✌🏼

[@zacky7572]

It’s actually more difficult for men in the workforce, than women, now. Yes, women still have unique struggles in the workforce, but that is also true for men, yet women are statistically more educated and make more money. The false narrative of “it is still worse for women” is part of what drives the lack of male success, since it shifts the available opportunities. It’s time to give men more empathy and understanding.

[@MisterCynic18]

Entertainment media and the fracturing of community keeps people confused and docile enough that they accept the shit conditions bread and circus has always been a winning strategy.

[@israeldavila27]

You’ve hit the nail on the head. This surge of NEETs is a silent strike, a mass opting-out because many of today’s jobs barely meet the definition of "work" that respects human dignity. Minimum wage, no benefits, pay deductions, shady bosses, competing with incarcerated workers-and now even kids. The system divides workers, keeping everyone isolated, facing these struggles alone. But your solution is spot on-building community is powerful. Workers aren’t rejecting work itself, but refusing exploitation disguised as opportunity. Real change is possible when the collective stands together to demand better. 🕊☮

[@Bleilock1]

Its easier to just die alone and do nothing Let landowners and capitalists own everything in the meantime Dont protest against them, ever The thing is Most of these kids want to be billionaires too, thats why they dont protest They just see this as them not being lucky and not like them being used by the rich They all are failed billionaires

[@JR-lw3ms]

@@zacky7572 women had it bad, but we started doing something about it for ourselves - we got education, we continue to put up with crap in the workforce, but we take care of ourselves! You want empathy and understanding for men? The men who want to take our rights away? The men who want to tear us down because they are incapable of doing what needs to be done for themselves? AbsoFUCKINGlutely not! Women have been carrying society forward for thousands of years, we have been building men up only to be disrespected and oppressed! Enough! Learn to take care off your own damn selves! You have created the communities of gamers, alpha bros, podcast dudes, etc - come up with solutions for yourselves!

[@Escape2Paradox]

A big part of it is that modern work is so unfulfilling, especially for men. It feels like 95% of jobs are just some variety of entering numbers into spreadsheets, no creating, no problem solving, just endless bland monotony plus office politics. Might as well hold out for the best paying one.

[@beebeebop3405]

Why "especially" men? Everyone hates those jobs.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

Even worse for the physical manual labor dead end jobs.

[@derekrequiem4359]

1:15 This was actually hilarious "Why are so many men NEETs? I know! Let's ask *HR!*" 😂😂

[@chief664]

Constantly told men suck, dating scene is horrible, Most jobs treat you like s**t, even if you do get a job you can't afford a house no matter what. Why are men quitting? What a mystery?

[@Dirk102]

It's the hopelessness feeling for young men. You work for breadcrumbs, with no real opportunities in sight. You can't buy a home with a normal income. You can't satisfy a modern women needs with a normal income. Real career opportunities are rare. If you work hard in most companies, you just make other people rich. You maybe get a job as a manager/senior, where you earn a little more for a lot of more work. Founding your own company with all this regulations, taxes is a nightmare. The effort is not worth the squeeze, so just enjoy life on less.

[@imranahmad-uh9fi]

insightful

[@hamoudziane]

Dude you don't need to satisfy a modern woman with your paycheck... Most adult households are dual income in the west.

[@raze2012_]

@@hamoudziane look up some modern Online Dating site statistics. those isn't reality, but it is sadly where a lot of people will resort to in this day and age to find a partner.

[@johnw9038]

​​@@hamoudziane You sound like someone who doesn't know how to satisfy a woman lol

[@Delimon007]

@@hamoudziane Why do you think the divorce rate is 70-80% with financial issues being in the top 2 reasons for divorce with fidelity being right next to it? If you are wondering where they divorce rate number comes from, it's 50% + future divorces as more than half the people who are married after that 50% are unhappy in their marriages. Women also initiate divorce 80% of the time. The data and statistics are all there mate.

[@jibrilamvs]

I quit my job because my bosses drove me to suicidal ideation and were then promoted for it. Now I’m looking for a job; everyone says apply online; I look, they’re hiring so I apply. Weeks later I don’t hear anything, yet there are still jobs posted. Everyone is hiring but no one is actually “hiring” It’s all ghost jobs now. As for why people are quitting; maybe it’s: Lack of motivation in workforce. Incompetent management. Horrid working conditions. Low pay for the worker while ceo gives themselves giant bonuses. AI coming in and slowly taking over the workforce.

[@davidhayman7623]

Fad, this is a really well researched video not a knee jerk explanation, very insightful, great work 👏 👏

[@Illeea]

I am NEET. I have autism and suffer from depression. I would kinda like a job but i feel im not good enough for positions along with having no idea how to find a job.

[@arandmorgan]

The 90s was the time when neo liberal policy stopped being a benefit and started becoming a method of economic value being pulled away from currency and placed into assets, all this being exaggerated by the encouragement of high debt. Debt creates money, the more money in the system, the less valuable that money is, the less valuable the money is, the higher the value of assets. This has created a massive gap between asset holders and the working class. Wealth disparity leads to depression and social discontent.

[@Harrier_DuBois]

Great comment

[@VRitasium]

Wtf, now we have to censor the word "suicide" on videos?

[@shroomer3867]

KZbin's house, youtube's rules

[@raze2012_]

@@shroomer3867 advertiser's house, advertiser's rules. We aren't the customers anymore.

[@shroomer3867]

@@raze2012_ True

[@MagnificentlyHighAlien]

Has been that way for while. No bad words allowed in the Kindergarten.

[@carultch]

Can you say "self-destruction" in this context? That would be more specific than an obvious censoring.

[@Macallion]

I interviewed for a senior events role last week. Ticked every box, tons of experience. They said I was "lovely" but "might struggle to work with this level of leadership." In fact, I have already done so many times. It's on my CV and we discussed it at length during the interview. They didn't invite a single person back for a second interview and threatening to break contract with the recruitment agency they hired, despite the agency telling them up front that they'd do their best, but that the company were being unrealistic. Pay was below market rate too, naturally.

[@ElectricArrowRifle]

It's easy for talking heads to who never held a dangerous job to Taik, about people and things they know nothing about

[@ilikegearsofwar3]

He just about missed every mark when he could have talked about the insanely negative culture and super duper high taxes and lowest of the low wages crushing us all.

[@ElectricArrowRifle]

@@ilikegearsofwar3 day before veterans day , this video basically runs over them

[@crawkn]

The biggest issue is the extremes to which businesses have gone to avoid any chance of a new employee not being a perfect fit, by excluding entire classes of people from consideration. The greatest barrier is large gaps in employment, which obviously anyone who has left the workforce has, and is therefore unhirable. Businesses complain about difficulty filling positions, but refuse to budge on qualifications.

[@nerfherder4284]

Agreed, I don't mind being told it isn't a good fit. Used to be someone would take a chance and let you go if it wasn't working out.

[@Cauldron6]

Yours so right. Employers are not holding up their end.

[@flugzeugtagerauenbeleuchtu468]

I haven't worked a 9 to 5 job due to chronic depression since 2008. And it's getting worse. Currently I can manage about 30 minutes of mild physical labour per day on average. It's not for lack of trying either.

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

9-5 is a really hard routine to adapt to. But I’m wondering what happens after 30 mins of mild physical labour. Do you get tired? Or something else? Sorry for prying, just trying to understand.

[@ytgytgy]

I haven't worked since 2022. I lost my longtime job with benefits in 2020 and every job after was a literal nuthouse acutely grinding away my mental health. My final job seemed good but some fundamental issues came up quick and I took my leave. I've tried to get work since but it's been a joke. I'm about to get my bachelor's degree, sell my car and leave the country and be a homeless globe trotter. Yay.

[@Supercohboy]

Hell yeah, once you're "worth something" to the world it very well may be best to pack up and leave, depending on your country of origin. US, CA, UK seem especially bad for 1st-world countries atm, and if I was valuable enough in the work marketplace I'd be doing the same thing. Who cares about gun rights and owning your own car anyways when you're taking a huge personal and fiscal loss living in America? Who cares about free healthcare when Canada's so corrupt that they rival America's issues, albeit with a much smaller economy and military? Who cares about having a blend of America's positives and the EU's positives by living in the UK when they've adopted many of the negatives of both sides, AND the country has proven time and time again it doesn't care all that much about public safety? And who's actually able to emigrate somewhere nice, like Norway or Germany (sorta)? Only the already-rich, or someone like yourself after ~10 years of experience in your field maybe. Ugh, what the hell happened to the world, I don't get it. How can so many leaders be so inept?

[@Stanley-e1g]

Shit, I'm homeless now at 25 I'm just taking a mental break from working too much and receiving little pay

[@ytgytgy]

@@Supercohboy I hear you. And for the record I never had a nice job. I've always been paid very little for everything I've done. The US is making sure everyone is poor and there's no way out. I'm just in a lucky situation where I've been able to save some financial aid from college (this is my final semester), and I'm taking that with me. This world is about to be hell, might as well enjoy it before it happens. Even if it's just for a week.

[@squidshark1]

Everybody knows why. They just pretend they don't so they don't have to address the issues.

[@Saffy1]

Why would i bust my ass off when i can chill in my van or moms basement for peanuts

[@TheFlyingRonin]

I would say the main reason people don't join the workforce is because working is deeply unsatisfying in this era. As time passes on, you are rewarded less and less for your labour and yet more and more is expected of you. It isn't all that surprising that some people simply... give up. Surrender themselves to the will of the world and just live by each day as it comes... Plus the labour market forgets that gig work is not actually "sustainable work" or even considered as employment by some and you get these circumstances.

[@TheIgnoramus]

Loss of Motivation, and Opportunity. Addiction, Depression, and finally, Psychosis. We were lied to about meritocracy. We were lied to about the intentions of leadership. We were lied to about the intelligence and knowledge of those in power. We were lied to about WHY we fight for a better world. The labor market itself, is what caused these mental instabilities by gaslighting workers for decades on their purpose, and what they would be offered. The cognitive dissonance can only go so far.

[@golf869]

Young man who worked in a factory from 18-26. I’m currently 28 and haven’t worked for 2 years. Got tired of just getting by doing grunt work, got sick of the BS during the pandemic and just checked out. What’s the point if we aren’t respected and don’t get shit compared our ancestors. Why bust ass for a decadent, immoral and corrupt economic system. Let it die I’m not participating anymore.

[@carlgauss1702]

Its our ancestors f. They think they are oh so wise, but had it easier.

[@FreeAgentChill]

Hey I understand your point of view, but all these comments saying pay is not enough how do you survive with no employment if employed life was just enough to get by?

[@SquarishLink]

problem is, work used to pay the bills now it's barely enough for survival. The system is so tilted its almost better for your work/life balance to live off the grid completely.

[@johnathandemarest2688]

"All the money in the world, would mean nothing, if it weren't for women" - Aristotle Onasis Depending on which economist you listen to, without a wife and kids, men only need about $25k/yr to survive. Read okcupid and match group dating stats. Worse than 80/20 Puerto principle. More like some only swipe on 5% of guys. Women now out earn men on 10 of largest cities, college is 60/40 women/men. More women millionaires have been minted in last 10yrs than men. When women are the bread winner, divorce rate is 90%. Women make 85% of all consumer purchases and hold 70% of all consumer debt. Get preferential hiring. 90% of all gender based scholarships are female. Most women never really liked the majority of men. Theyd rather share same guy than date down. With no prospect of a wife and kids that they'll get to see at divorce rate of 55%, women initiate 70% of divorces, 92% chance if college educated, get 90% of custody. Under tender years doctrine, its assumed up to age 11 in some states that women is automatically the more fit parent. State gets 66 cents on every dollar that the state gets from child support under CFR 41 60 1-3. Its not a Scooby doo mystery. There's nothing left here to work or fight for. Only winning move is not to play.

[@teaadvice4996]

Well said

[@ohjay7612]

nailed it

[@Cauldron6]

A lot of our mothers and grandmothers told us not to get married, that it was a scam. Having witnessed my parent’s “marriage”…. Yeah I don’t blame her one bit.

[@DanEvans-hc2be]

Calm cool and composed while making the passion known. Well done on another great video. Keep crushing it

[@CapitalismDeathSpiral]

Reason: no livable wages and no help from the government or state when forced into abject poverty or homelessness. Men refuse to be slaves!

[@camlatchford6182]

I have a university degree in a specialized area, and it never helped me find any type of work. The only jobs available to me were grocery store cashier, stuff like that. I'm now working as a commercial electrician which is fine, decent money. But I still can't believe that I put so much work into getting a university degree and it didn't help me with anything at all. I'm educated and hard working, but my employers have all treated me like I'm a worthless idiot and Ive just had to take it.

[@TheAleksandros]

Which degree exactly?? STEM

[@Skadongle]

@@TheAleksandrosa stem degree wont save you anymore. Job security is a myth

[@zoroark567]

Anyone who has tried to be a participant in today's entry level labour market knows that its awful. Its exhausting and dehumanizing, you spend months on end throwing applications into the void, and maybe if you're lucky you'll get an interview for a job that's both physically and mentally demanding in exchange for less money than groceries and rent cost. If you're really good (and lucky) you might get to leverage that into a position with a liveable salary and better environment. However, when the big win at the end of it all is just making enough money to rent a basement, pay your bills, and maybe go to the dentist, without any realistic opportunity to become a homeowner, retire, or make any meaningful progress beyond survival, it's hard to feel like it's worth it.

[@nerfherder4284]

The resumes from jobs that just should have an application and the inevitable ghosting are a big problem and shows a lack of respect for labor in general. Applications into the void sums it up nicely.

[@TarsonTalon]

You know, since I actually have a job I'm relatively sure I cannot be fired from (blursed family construction company situation), I'm thinking maybe I should troll corporations by going to interviews, and instead of going through the motions, I rip them a new butthole for what they did to the economy. See, even at the end destination of most wealth, which is assets, these POS's are being cheap. So they don't pay their workers enough, they want cheap foreign goods, and they try to skip on paying for the building you built them. Thank god for liens, otherwise these mofos would literally think they can get away with stealing a whole building. That doesn't stop them from trying, but their reactions are priceless!

[@samjones9600]

Its simple, lack of ability to reach past milestones 'family, respectable job e.t.c.'. Combined with no purpose is a recipe for disaster.

[@rzucamklatwenamojtuszcz1874]

It isn't the "lack of ability". It's just that our whole social hierarchy is build around the concept of false meritocracy aka "the harder you work, the more you can afford" while the job market doesn't reflect it at all.

[@inbb510]

​@@rzucamklatwenamojtuszcz1874, nah not really. Countries like the UK have been too used to exploiting other countries wealth and resources through colonialism. Now that Africa is developing thanks to now becoming closer with China, British people are finally learning the basic concept of "paying for your own shit if you want it". To any British people saying "I'm not gonna work unless the government gives me X,Y,Z", many people around the world will just "suck it up, welcome to the real world". It's a privilege to stop working, be on benefits.

[@samjones9600]

@@rzucamklatwenamojtuszcz1874 Phrasing is important, I didn't mean lack of individual ability but rather lack of the possibility to reach these milestones within the expected timeframes. My bad, should have worded it better. And working harder is absolutely a lie, its all about making those in power feel good rather than producing results.

[@surgeonnamedbub3510]

Good video. It's not a very complicated issue though, as other comments have highlighted. The older generations are returning to the workforce for much of the same reasons that younger folks are shying away from it: wage stagnation, low spending power, and the inability to retire. Young folks see these problems and think: Why bother? They rely on their support systems and skate by at subsistence levels for as long as possible before either begrudgingly returning to the workforce for a paycheck that will barely keep their stomach fed and hardly pay their rent, or finding some other means of surviving without an income, even homelessness. Older generations see these problems and realize they have no other support systems in place and have no options except to come out of retirement and go back to work, or face a home foreclosure or eviction. Older folks fear losing the life they've built, but young folks can't even get the chance to start building a life at all. If working hard your entire life and not working at all both lead to the same result, the obvious takeaway is: "Why bother working hard?" The quiet quitting movement came about from this sort of mentality, with folks doing the bare minimum at their usually overworked and underpaid jobs. NEETs are just a further extension of that. Regardless of whether it's the experience of the young or the old, it's two sides of the same coin and corporate greed is behind it all. Some other commenters may blame inflation, but as we've seen in recent decades and especially the past few years, corporate greed is one of the main things leading to a runaway inflation. If this trajectory continues without a concerted effort to stop corporations from controlling everything, we're headed for an economic collapse. Considering that we just elected the billionaire class to run the country, I suspect there will be no oversights or regulations to apply brakes to this runaway train. I hope our societies can sort out this mess, but I sincerely doubt it will happen in my lifetime. I'm a 41 year old with no savings, barely scraping by and holding on. Rent is more than 50% of my income, food is a luxury that I often have to go without. The most depressing part of it is that I make a decent wage for my area which already has a low cost-of-living compared to larger cities. I don't even have children, I can't imagine how parents of young children are able to make it work. My situation is not even a remotely unique one either, and in fact compared to a lot of other people you could argue I'm doing okay. But I'm far from okay, and I regularly consider getting off the ride of life and taking a permanent vacation...and that's also not a unique sentiment. It's no surprise, then, that more people seem to be wondering about the meaning of life. Folks are willing to put up with a difficult time if it's for a good purpose, even for selfless reasons. You need only look to conflicts like WWI and WWII to find solidarity of citizens willing to work hard for very little in order to serve the greater good. For better or worse, modern western societies have no such solidarity or purpose, and by design we've all been divided into "Us vs Them" mentalities in every facet of life imaginable, whether the topic is something meaningless like sports teams, something nuanced like government spending, or something fundamental like the color of our skin. Western media is doing a fantastic job convincing folks that they're getting exactly what they deserve by splitting us all into different sub-groups and telling us that "The Others" are all bad and evil and the reason for your suffering, even if those "others" they're referring to are the neighbors you've known for decades. If we had more solidarity, if we had a common purpose, if life had meaning or individuals had an (attainable) end-goal to reach, then this might all be a different story. More folks might be more willing to put up with this new reality to see it through to the end and get to the light at the end of the tunnel or work toward meaningful change and reform. But for most that 'raison d'etra' is simply making your corporate overlords more profits, and folks who are beginning to realize that are also starting to reconsider the trajectory of their working lives. Why work so much overtime to build savings when one event can wipe it all out in a few months without any support network to make you whole again? Why destroy our bodies to help our bosses get richer, while we can't even earn a wage increase each year that keeps up with inflation? These are the types of questions many young folks are asking, and they're entirely justified in doing so. Simply put, why are we helping the rich when the rich won't help us?

[@BLD1332]

I'm a part of the work force but here and there I get the urge to completely shut down and abandon society. Whether it was my time in retail or my work as a mail carrier, I struggle to want to exist in this world. Learning class politics was one of the hardest things on me. Not only am I unwilling to walk the path of stepping on others to get ahead, but I'm constantly thinking about the state of things and how that conflicts with what I believe. From barely getting by as my labor value is stolen by conglomerates to being a part of a society that is actively choosing Amazon accessibility over the environment.

[@Brakka86]

I went to a wedding recently, and all the young ppl there were overweight and unhealthy looking (circles under the eyes, bad posture, and so on). Modern-day work and off work life are unnatual and terrible for people. Stress, sedentary lifestyle, wagae slavery.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

Society is made by men but not made for men themselves. I don't know what kind of animal society expects to fill it's standards but it ain't humans

[@shroomer3867]

@@furiousdestroyah9999 It's made by old men who don't care about the next generation

[@picklechips1483]

THIS. I loathe my 8-5 more than anything and every part of me wants to quit right now. I'm only making 55k in here Florida which is garbage money right now per the COL. In the warehouse jobs I used to do, I was physically fit and felt great besides for the muscle pains. I was my most lean and healthy & even had 3 days off a week. Sitting at a desk for 3 years, I struggle to maintain my weight. I walk 10k steps, eat somewhat healthier and still find myself putting on lbs. Also, my joints & back hurt constantly from sitting all day. I feel absolutely burnt the fuck out from doing this monotonous useless horsesh*t. Like if I was making 6 figures, I would 100% suck it up with a smile on my face. But the fact that my useless corporate job pays me about the same as a warehouse job, it makes me 100% want to switch back. My husband just gets mad at me when I talk about going back because he's worried that I'll get hurt in warehouse. When in reality, I have to drink 2 energy drinks to even stay awake at my corporate job and the only times I've been able to lose weight is either by starving myself or taking phentermines. Like this desk job is killing me way more than warehouse ever did. Corporate jobs are useless and unfulfilling for both men & women. And I'm fully happy to admit that it's not for me. I want to move my body and feel alive again

[@jo18533]

@@picklechips1483 Sounds like you should go back to the warehouse!

[@vadepierce4542]

I… don’t wanta keep working for bad companies. And… I just got out of another place that was a shitty place. I’m going to just live in my car and do door dash…

[@Stanley-e1g]

Door dash, Uber eats, GrubHub, or instacart

[@subdynoman]

At least it's as honest as possible, good luck bro...

[@Exhithronous-y1n]

What's the point? There's no future, no money, no house affordability and AI is just gonna take all jobs anyway. I want my life to have meaning, not to have nothing but mindless work I hate for nothing. I hope the economy gets obliterated. I watched my dad work gruelling hard labour for 20 years just to end up living in a 2 bedroom apartment. He's now a chef and happier but he deserves more. There's no way I'm doing the same thing. I'll work when I have a better option. Then Ai will take my job. Not even gonna bother.

[@JR-lw3ms]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@foxkillingtime]

@JR-lw3ms You need to explain why you think this comment is Sooo funny?

[@nerfherder4284]

Meaningless work is dumb, but don't be confused: life IS toil. To toil and work to live is entirely the point of life and not meaningless unless you are

[@elinope4745]

People don't work when they aren't paid. There needs to be a metric measuring work hours per house prices. X hours = a house. Once X exceeds a certain threshold, work won't be done.

[@MasterOssy]

It’s not the drugs, yet ppl love to point the finger at it. Society just tell men in their faces that they aren’t needed anymore as technology advances. Self driving, cleaning, constructing, even war using drones and satellites. What is there for men to do? Look at society promoting A.I. to do entry work. Why is society shocked that men are dropping out? Should society be happy? Isn’t this what society and govts promoted for over 40 years?

[@korcommander]

I work as much as I need to. There's no incentive to do more than that.

[@adambester3673]

its pretty simple especially for the U.S. the deal you get now as a worker is far worse than your parents and grandparents got so you know you will live worse than them for the same or more work, also there is almost zero welfare state and healthcare costs are insane. so you work your ass off for years to barely scrape by then get hurt or sick and lose it all to medical debt? if you are probably going to die homeless or just barely above that many people would ask, why submit to exploitation and put in a bunch of effort on the path to get there?

[@johnw9038]

We have a welfare state in Canada and it's even worse here because all the immigrants just take advantage of it

[@idi0tSammich]

When people aren't given the dignity of living a decent life by having a proper share of the riches they have a hand in making for the team, they stop giving a damn.

[@FratFerno]

I have been thinking of giving up my job because my suspected/undiagnosed "ADHD" makes me fail to pay attention and forget multiple times a week. It's a wonder that my boss keeps me, after all the bosses who kicked me out and his complaints and accusations of me missing things on purpose.

[@aefair2733]

I think another reason to consider why the the number of men recieving disability dropped so low is because a massive amount of disabled americans died of covid or covid related complications because of our gov't's reluctance to treat the pandemic as seriously and as quickly as the rest of the world. He wasn't a young man, but my father, who was disabled and on opiods for about half his life, passed around 'the end' of the pandemic after we had to take him out of his relatively germ safe home and place him in a facility to meet the level of care he needed. I think when you dont see or have to deal with all the challenges that come with being disabled on a regular basis it's easy to forget that being immuno compromised tends to follow suit and if the people you are dependant on don't take it seriously theres a large chance you wont be able to do much about it Totally a minute point to hyperfocus on but i feel can be an important perspective to consider.

[@israeldavila27]

Absolutely, this isn’t some “minute point” at all-it’s critical to understand what’s happening. It’s not just a statistic when the number of men receiving disability drops; it’s a direct line to real lives that were lost and abandoned, left to face COVID in facilities that couldn’t protect them. People with disabilities, especially those dealing with chronic illness or dependent on opioids, didn’t get the luxury of remote work or isolated safety. And let’s be clear: our government’s sluggish, dismissive response to the pandemic didn’t just put them at risk; it directly endangered their lives, as you painfully experienced with your father. The surge in labor force “reentry” isn’t just about motivation or wellness-it's because people who needed support were left without it. For every man forced back into work, there’s another who lost his life too soon because he wasn’t given a fair chance to survive. This isn’t a footnote; it’s the full story, and ignoring it erases the people who lived it.

[@somethinderpsterious]

Go get your b00ster, fool

[@ham8426]

Well, I'm autistic and fighting to understand what that means for me, my experience in the workforce has been incredibly negative and includes having to work against how my brain functions and not seeing much room for accommodations when I was there even if I only recently got my diagnosis. I am not inclined to try and seek traumatic environments just to live, while I try and figure out how to improve my ability to manage home life struggles.

[@technoverse101]

Last few times i applied for a job i had to wait weeks for a response, as well as pass a urine test, endure two interviews and an orientation. It was six weeks from the time i applied before i got my first paychecks, and the boss kept pestering me by asking me if I liked the job and planned to stick around. I was also expected to use my own vehicle, tools and cell phone, and was also expected to be on call after hours and on weekends. This was twenty years ago, and i dropped out of the forml economy because the costs in time and money that come with finding and keeping most jobs is more than the jobs pay. This is why the much of the corporate world in the US and West want open borders, i suspect, because they want a labor force of desperate suckers

[@ilikegearsofwar3]

It’s not your suspicion. They want to replace people in the IT sector with indians, and an industry i am familiar with, to flood healthcare with nurses from the philippines.

[@ilikegearsofwar3]

Seems my comment was censored

[@technoverse101]

@ilikegearsofwar3 scum YT censors me all the time. Sometimes you have to reword the comment and try again

[@Supercohboy]

110%. Literally every customer service job is going to a bunch of people that barely speak English as their 2nd language because they're so much cheaper to employ. Automation will continue to be used to reduce employee numbers as much as possible, but never for the employees' benefits, only for the stockholders and leadership's. Computer science and programming jobs are next on the docket (people are going to lose their minds when our webpages and programs get EVEN worse than they already are lmao), and the moment businesses can legally import labor or it's cheaper to do so, they absolutely will. Apparently businesses constantly try to do this when it's illegal, let alone if it were to be legalized. Err, sorry, what's probably going to happen is e-immigration. They're going to setup a bunch of foreigners with cheap computer equipment that is affordable to give away, then force them to e-commute and WFH doing a bunch of crap work that no one should do, but which used to at least be completed by citizens of the country that these services are being provided for...therefore taking more jobs/money out of the economy and giving it to 3rd party countries who may or may not even like us...boy do I love caring and providing for people that probably want to stick a 12 gauge slug up my ass, man is life epic nowadays.

[@Supercohboy]

110%. Literally every customer service job is going to a bunch of people that barely speak English as their 2nd language because they're so much cheaper to employ. Automation will continue to be used to reduce employee numbers as much as possible, but never for the employees' benefits, only for the stockholders and leadership's. Computer science and programming jobs are next on the docket (people are going to lose their minds when our webpages and programs get EVEN worse than they already are lmao), and the moment businesses can legally import labor or it's cheaper to do so, they absolutely will. Apparently businesses constantly try to do this when it's illegal, let alone if it were to be legalized. Err, sorry, what's probably going to happen is e-immigration. They're going to setup a bunch of people overseas with cheap computer equipment that is affordable to give away, then force them to e-commute and WFH doing a bunch of garbage work that no one should do, but which used to at least be completed by citizens of the country that these services are being provided for...therefore taking more jobs/money out of the economy and giving it to 3rd party countries who may or may not even like us...boy do I love caring and providing for people that probably want to watch everyone I know and love burn alive, that seems like a world-winning strategy for sure...definitely won't bite us in the butt down the line if a wave of extremism becomes popular in many of these places, pfft, like that has ever happened! Also sorry for the repost, my last reply was auto-deleted, but I refuse to be censored by the cucks at Google.

[@dancinglight8411]

Nobody knows why? Everyone knows why. No one wants to destroy their soul for blind, false progress on an evil planet.

[@Projekt1251Official]

We never quit. We were forced to quit.

[@OwnNothingBeHappy519]

The economy must be doing really well for lots of people to be quitting their job. I literally cannot afford to do that.

[@jabba334]

Well, like the video said, these people either get on disability payments, live with parents and/or couch surf to not have to work.

[@laurenstylish]

My anecdotal evidence of two: my ex is so ADHD he couldn’t hold down a job even if he wanted to (and he didn’t really) but good luck getting treatment for that as an adult with crap insurance, so he lived with and off parents, food stamps, and the odd artistic endeavor he could actually see through. My best friend’s ex is in drug rehab (the good kind paid for by parents) and prior to that held down one or two jobs for a few weeks out of a span of 7 years due to being an enabled addict. He’s young so maybe treatment will work, but if not, likely going right back to being an addict and of course NEET as a result. I’ve seen it said that the opposite of addiction isn’t sobriety but connection, and maybe that’s why it seems more men than women are failing to thrive in so many ways, they’re not socialized to value connection to others as much, and suffer for it.

[@taniaf1288]

Well said. I agree with last paragraph

[@strahlungsopfer]

nobody likes a loser, it's not the loser's fault for lacking connection.

[@4mb127]

It's not that men don't value connection, it's that they are actively socially isolated for not managing to jump high enough, and the bar is being raised every year. Technology and social policies keep replacing men, and fewer can have any meaningful existence.

[@Underachiever_Files]

I keep failing to distinguish when is it ok to blame the victims of a rigged game.

[@nopenope7777]

I'm a man who is living off his savings right now. Quit my tech support job earlier this year. I'm sick of working for companies that keep doing the same things. Push for better numbers, lay off if they fall short, report record profits, then double workloads to keep that new bottom line. Had it happen at 3 tech companies. Also incompetent, power hungry diversity hire type managers that are a waste of money and time. Return to office? For what? Our jobs REQUIRE THE INTERNET. And our team members randomly come in so we have to use zoom anyways. I'm sick of idiots in charge of me. I could rant all day but that's a big part of it.

[@loremipsum0421]

I love listening to your videos, very insightful! Cheers from Poland

[@SpriteGuard]

The part about people wanting a good salary right away reminded me of how the job market, during my lifetime, shifted away from "hire to retire" and towards clockwork layoffs.

[@Steinkonig-yz6xc]

I was in roofing for 6 years and worked construction a few years, im about to turn 30 in a couple years and i dont think im going back, I'm done working my ass off for pocket change

[@Kkubey]

I experienced that despite being from a bad background financially, the more I advanced the less I could afford. The inflation was just stronger. I couldn't afford going to a cafe 2 times a week like I used to even as a teenager now that I'm working. I think this drop in standard of living while you saw what used to be possible is just too crushing. Looking at how much the world population has increased since I was born, it's no surprise, however.

[@legionoftom6154]

This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels. Keep up the great work, Fads 👍

[@hypoflipzy1157]

I was working 2 jobs and still couldn’t afford rent + food. I bought a cheap van, converted it to a camper and have been traveling while working ~20 hours a week. Been going for a year now and I don’t see myself going back to full time employment, it’s just not worth.

[@andra9694]

What kind of work if you don’t mind I’m askinf

[@hypoflipzy1157]

@ There’s multiple apps but I use Instawork. Basically you just apply for a shift at a company that is down a worker that day and get paid their starting wage. This allows me to work while traveling and I get to do all kinds of work. I’ve done serving, cooking, security, construction, landscaping, cleaning, etc…

[@marvinser]

I’d bet a big reason is also the unfair distribution of wealth and wages. Call it envy if you want, but I think it’s a pretty normal and healthy reaction when you see others earning tens, hundreds, or even thousands of times more than you do for your work. It breaks any sense of community and instead creates a feeling of modern nobility or elitism.

[@Cyirxmachina]

As a younger Gen Z male. I think it’s mainly because capitalism is a lie, most importantly it’s pointless, it lacks an overarching purpose. Coupled with the internet devaluing corporate culture- what’s the point when I’ve seen my parents struggle under capitalism, and I see guys making millions being streamers.

[@TheAleksandros]

OF girls making way more money revealing their cleavage than me exhausting my ass off with honest work for o corporate psychopath and his stock-investing buddies

[@aguspuig6615]

Yeah, for me the cure was to find my own purpose trough thinking. If you can afford the time to reflect and create your own philosophy, do so! That way we turn what seemingly is a crisis (working age men not working) into a blessing (alot of men doing purposefull things beyond minimum wage jobs that exist for the sake of working alone). Im personally trying to become a therapist, because i feel like therapy is tuned way better for females, and men suffer from way more mental health issues nowadays, so i think i can have a positive impact there. I think if we make the most of it we can be the generation that does the most good for the world, but we can also be the most mediocre one, its a matter of will imo

[@undercoverspy20]

what is the alternative to capitalism?

[@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384]

@@undercoverspy20Whatever it is it probably won’t work, also people who make politics their identity are cringe.

[@undercoverspy20]

@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 all people are cringe lol

[@lindatullos9430]

They also might be working under the table for tradeoffs like in the 1980's. I heard that was common if a person had a skill like plumbing and traded skills for a carpenter. Truth is people survived before the construct called fiat was a real thing. I talked to a young man who on his first day of work lost a leg. Just like that, because his supervisor put him in harm's way in a little tree cutting business. I told him he ought to sue that business for having him do risky things on his first day without instruction. I don't think he had the money to do it. A real shame, injuries on the job happen lot.

[@agungm1855]

Building a family isn't worth it anymore, and if you only have yourself to take care of and live small you don't actually need much. I've been freelancing for 20 years, got my own house, car, more money, freedom, and free time than most of my married friends who worked full time jobs. I'll die alone and that's okay, hopefully before 60.

[@tiborsipos1174]

Asking for many bebefits and dream pay is the same game what employers do. Employers want a multiskilled, overeducated person with decades of experience (even in a field that is a brand new technology) with willing to work for minimum wage, unpaid overtime for the mission for the better company future... So yeah... this is how negotiations can starts. Both parties come up with an unreasonable demand and eventually they agree somewhere in the middle. :D

[@shroomer3867]

I remember there was an image of a tweet flying around where an employer refused to hire someone who created a new programming language which was booming because he didn't have enough years of experience in that language, even though he just created it...

[@Supercohboy]

Negotiations? What negotiations? These business aren't legally obligated to negotiate, why the hell would they compromise when they think some fresh college-educated immigrant from India is going to strut in and accept the job any minute now? There's literally no room for negotiation as part of the employee applicant process. If you're highly educated, you'll have some options, but that room for negotiation has been getting smaller and smaller year over year. And what, you think these businesses aren't going to force Masters/Doctorates graduates to argue with AI for better pay/benefits for that job they applied for, in the very near future?

[@tiborsipos1174]

@@Supercohboy "negotioations" = go somewhere else. We used to say that there are two type of bargainers: the turkish: two extreme end start to give up a bit until they make a deal and the german: "take it or leave" There must be some type of outside the box negotiations, because there are plenty of studies that shows people who change job every 2 year have 50% higher salary compared to those who sit in one place waiting for "recognition and payrise" You pick up your experience and "sell" it. Capitalism can be played by two. Your "capital" is your skill and expertise. People don't understand you undersign a contract that you give your skills for money, not your life for financial abusement. The way companies list bunch of skill in their job description just so they can keep payments lower because no sane worker can fill that position, especially for that amount of money, people need to sell themselves. Theres even a joke that every job is about sales. Because as a first step you need to sell yourself. Applying for a job is overcoming the "difficulty" of knowing you don't have the skills for the work position, but you still tried it. Is it shit? Yes. But if you realise how the game of life works, you can and will manage better. Currently college degree is oversaturated. In the 60s around 14% if workers had a high degree. Today its almost 50%. Just because someone finished an expensive university doesn't make it special anymore. Worst offender now is South Korea. Gen Z have 55% with 3! degree and unemployment is the highest still. Skilled worked and technical jobs however are in huge demand. So much that companies desperately looking for workers and even train them. But nobody wants to do it, because our parents thought us hard work is for the uneducated. Its a pendulum... And if in big cities only lawyers and tech programmer can afford rent, they can start flipping their own burgers and sweeping the streets, because people can relocate to areas that are more affordable too.