Men of Steel: My Adventures with Superman with Red and Blue from Overly Sarcastic Productions

[@greenhydra10]

The secret third Superman Detail Diatribe.

[@CheeseCake4Not]

That is litteraly how I felt when I found this xD

[@SolidLink64]

"this is the face of a man whos about to be aggressively divorced" my sides.

[@highwaytoheaven99]

I didn't know I was so starved of a GOOD Superman show that is PROUD of Superman being a hero, until I saw this show. Seeing Clark just being the best person ever, I was like "Ahh Clark, it is so nice seeing you again buddy! I've missed you so much". I teared up a little not gonna lie.

[@my_girl_seraphine5294]

You and I had the exact same reaction

[@valekstormhowl4999]

This show was an absolute blast!! The creators definitely had fun making this show and it's so refreshing to just have a kind, loving, compassionate superman be the focus. Plus having a young and upcoming superman where he isn't super powerful which gives great tension to the fights

[@jadenbryant9283]

Yeah and foxes the problem for why superman doesent immediately just defeat toyman and the prankster

[@petermann673]

1:02:00 I still headcanon that Martha saw the suit being particularly flattering around the crotch and being like "NOPE. None of that. My baby boy is not flying around with everyone able to see his dingdong."

[@certainpovmedia]

Lolololol

[@MalzraAirwynn]

From the very first scene they showed that they 'get' superman. I like the fakeout where it seems like he's going to first unlock his powers to get his kite back, but then subverts it with the car that almost crashes and him jumping in to help.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

Making Slade's origin working for task force X under Waller is just so perfect.

[@miyuedelfelt2676]

I’m so glad I happened to get recommended this since I’ve wanted to hear Red and Blue talk about this show since it came out.

[@certainpovmedia]

It was great to have them on!

[@ericgaw113]

I don't think that Clark has a giant appetite, he just doesn't know that he is supposed to have a limit. He just keeps eating food/doughnuts because he likes the taste.

[@certainpovmedia]

I rather like this interpretation

[@ecyor0]

I was already missing that 90s DCAU style of superman show, but I hadn't realized how intensely I was missing a Superman show that was *unapologetically kind* until this show came out. Also, tomboy Lois Lane is now the definitive Lois Lane, I will not be taking questions.

[@MisterSlimee]

I gotta point out how much I love the new Lex. Instead of being a charming, ruthless businessman playboy. He's so fittingly different. What type of character embodies none of the earnest morals of a simple and peaceful rural life that Clark had. Which type of character embodies the opposite of Clark's hope in humanity and only cynicism in humanity, which type is constantly smug, stubborn and likes to show their superiority complex. They made Lex a chronic Redditor/Channer, which in todays age, being a foil to Superman is the most fitting thing ever lmao

[@certainpovmedia]

It's a great take!

[@belindaluna2067]

According to TV Tropes, the Electric Black Guy trope (and yes, that is the actual name of the trope) was started by DC Comics' first headlining African-American superhero: Black Lightning. Basically the first main stream solo black superhero had electric powers, so a lot of heroes of color that came later wound up paying homage to the original to one degree or another. See: Static/Shock and Miles Morales to name just two.

[@certainpovmedia]

Yeah, there's a whole weird history of how electric power has got conflated with people of color. I think it is separate however from the ginger to person of color swap even if it happens sometimes on the same character, like Lightning Lad in the Bendis Legion of Superheroes

[@alx9776]

Static Shock, I feel, is more the trendsetter, what with his animated series, compared to Black Lightning's relative obscurity. Hell, you could argue Storm was the original. And between Static and Miles, you also had anime keeping the theme alive, with Naruto's Kumogakure ninja and Bleach's Yoruichi.

[@josephperez2004]

From my understanding, part of the equation was actually trying to dodge copyright and playing fast and loose. DC didn't want to pay the creator of Black Lightning when they were mskingvthe Superfriends, so they creted their 'completely original' character.... Black Vulcan. And this sort of thing happened a few times, making a legally distinct copy of the original to avoid paying the creator. Andxin the process they created a half dozen blavk superheroes ALL of which were built around an electric power set.

[@universal_idiiot]

huge fan of the dilf-ification of Jor El in this series

[@Camo1177]

Another tiny thing I love is young Clark has the cool 2000’s S on his shirt, as a prelude to the S on his future costume

[@ClericOfPholtus]

"They always turn the Ginger's black" .... Me realizing I went from always maining a red haired FemShep to a Black FemShep in Mass Effect. .... My Gods.....

[@certainpovmedia]

It's so weird, right? Like why is that a thing?

[@ClericOfPholtus]

@@certainpovmedia I was just told in a podcast by black D&D creators years ago about struggle/etc that I should play those as characters, so I started doing so. But the most iconic Shepard is vibrant red hair with the bright green eyes!

[@certainpovmedia]

@@ClericOfPholtus that is really cool of you!

[@TheSaharay1]

​@@certainpovmediaI think it's just because gingers in comic media was originally used to help display the struggles/act as representation for a socially marginalized group And gingers (and the Irish community as a whole) has over time slowly grown out of being seen as marginalized and was replaced by the African-American community due to those struggles being more prominent and brought to light (and still not really seen as "fixed" the same way the Irish community struggles are).

[@Broomer52]

People have been saying it for a long time they just usually get dismissed as alt-right for some reason. It’s gotten to the point that me and my sister take bets on if the Ginger in an adaptation is going to get replaced. They’re already constantly discriminated and now they’re being removed from the few popular franchises they exist in. I was almost certain Nami in the One Piece adaptation was going to be black, I was only half right because it was her sister instead.

[@nathangonzalez9710]

Im a big superman fan, i hate grimedark superman. I got to say i was skeptical about this show, but was willing to give it a chance. So sat down with my wife and before we started it she asked me "what do you want superman to do". My legit response is "i want clark to be a good guy who just happens to have to the power to help as many people as he can, and as dumb as it sounds i want him to save a cat from a tree and help an old lady across a street". First episode i was sold. He does both and its amazing. This is Superman.

[@Broomer52]

I just realized that the Crystal powered robots is probably setup for Metallo.

[@TheDragonOfWhi]

A thing i havent seen anyone talk about when Superman is fight everyone in the 'super hearing' epsidoe. Its overcast the whole time. There is no real sunlight for that whole episode really so not only is he sleep deprived hes also solar energy deprived.

[@certainpovmedia]

That's an awesome point!

[@frozenchicken418]

1:55:00 On the surface this show and Ouran HHS are pretty dissimilar, but I honestly think they've got the same vibe. The fundamental core of each show is the emotional inner lives of each character, and how they each express out into the world. Like, Clark is not Superman because he wants to be a larger than life figure, he's Superman because Superman is how he manages the conflict between wanting to be normal and wanting to do deeds that happen to be larger than life. General Lane is villainous not because he's malevolent, but because he's scared and his fears blind him to to any interpretation of Kryptonian action that isn't malicious. Both shows have that fundamental trait that even when the plot goes off into crazy town, you can still consistently predict roughly what will happen next if you already know what's going on inside the heads of all the characters (including the supposedly unimportant ones).

[@Camo1177]

I can’t believe I didn’t catch the Luthor reveal on my watch through, I feel so dumb. Also, I love how the captions having a different interpretation of Mxy every time his name comes up

[@Sam_Ah8]

I agree with you guys that this is a clear and iconic and definitive Superman as any artists or generation could produce. It's as representative of the core of Superman as Christopher Reeve and new.

[@lonniegabbie]

There was exposition of Lois’ personal issue with secrets before the reveal in ep 4 when she opens up about her dad to Clark, that her dad kept so many secrets her entire life including the worst one of all which was her dead mom’s sickness.

[@certainpovmedia]

The show was so good with set up and pay off!

[@starlepus9437]

i actually think the seemingly electric powers with the glowy stuff clark gets is a reference to superman blue. that one thing from the early 2000s

[@certainpovmedia]

I took it that way too!!!

[@ajh3461]

I always thought it was his bio-electric aura

[@certainpovmedia]

@@ajh3461 I think you could make a unified theory if you wanted to combine everything!

[@jadenbryant9283]

​@@certainpovmediayeah and it seems like there Reimagining it as Supermans super saiyan equivalent

[@aaronpixel4130]

Superman is my friend's single favorite superhero, and he refuses to watch this show because he's so burnt out on Superman being fucked over in adaptation. I'm trying so hard to convince him.

[@kilo1012]

"I wonder who that could be" *starts laughing as someone who looked at the leaked concept art*

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

I hope we get it in season 2, because it is such interesting idea behind it.

[@Greyinkling276]

Oh no. A batman cameo would be a Jimmy episode in this show. He would end up in the batcave while Steve is captured by the riddler, while clark and lois are off in space or something.

[@Warlock3151]

When you guys started talking about superman cleaning up it made me think that smallville probably has no potholes.

[@certainpovmedia]

@@Warlock3151 that is going to be my headcanon from now on - Case

[@zenmaster8]

id like to thank the ospod for referencing this because i had no idea the secret third superman detail diatribe existed

[@seanfulldark]

Who really is enjoying the idea that in season 2 Jimmy is technically the head of the paper! I am, I mean we all know that Perry when he 'bought' flamebird he's also technically bought the actual KZbinr! Also the first one to get promoted from intern to actual reporter is Jimmy this time usually he's the last one on the list of giving promoted to reporter not the first!

[@bjwessels]

Ah, so this is where the next Superman Detail Diatribe went to hide. Oh, I missed the Alex thing! That's good! Just have them lay the groundwork throughout season 2 then pull a Deus Ex Batman in the grand finale.

[@leafkindruid]

I’ve been a Superman fan for so long. I’ve just started the series and it’s everything a Superman show should be! I’m also can’t wait to watch this video after I catch up

[@MadameTamma]

My theory with how Clark's powers activate is similar to how humans can gain incredible amounts of strength though adrenaline, Like that old story of the mother who was able to lift a car to save her child. Only Clark gets to keep that boost after the adrenaline fades.

[@kieranczyzyk9064]

My only crit of the show is that I wish they were given more episodes per season. There's not as much time for breathing room and I just want to see these characters hang out!

[@wafffls]

love listening to this! very in depth discussion

[@certainpovmedia]

Thank you!

[@ClericOfPholtus]

"Kiss kiss fall in portal" name's host club reference i feel could reference how "our" Lois is an imposter in the middle of a big club of "real" and "accomplished" Lois'

[@etheric_dissonance]

"one of these hosts [i.e. Lois'] is not like the others." clever connection!

[@ItsNaberius]

At 52:45 when Blue is talking about how the DCU live action is floundering and the DCU animated is this good, that is so true and has been for years. All the best iterations of these characters are always animated. All-Star Superman, the Dark Knight Returns, etc. Probably one of my favorite comic book adaptations rn is Young Justice, which has gotten NO press for all four seasons but is still fantastic

[@juliagoodwin9510]

I'm so glad this show exists, I'm sick and tired of the evil Superman cliche. Doesn't hurt that this Clark is _such_ a precious cinnamon roll!

[@Cyrus21100]

Apparently the voice actor for the unknown Kryptonian at the end...is female with a voice changer. My headcanon is that Nemesis Omega was General Zod.

[@dougtheheavy]

Waited for this to end with a big group "Uuuuh, BYE!"

[@malikdespanie4344]

Superman the animated series gave us classic gigachad Superman and now we have a wholesome Superman. We got sassy bosswoman Lois Lane before and now we got Tomboy Lois Lane. They know what they're doing.

[@jhyarellesilver8397]

This is not a new concept, more it is an expansion. Lois and Clark : The New Adventures of Superman did it first and Dean Cain's Clark even said "Superman is not who I am, it's what I can do." The show centered on Clark and Lois's relationship as well as Clark's trials and tribulations of being an Earth raise Alien. This show just added the anime influence that mad Teen Titans good before Go!.

[@josephivenegas]

There's a line Amanda Waller says to General Lane (right after he realizes Superman is innocent), "Are you having doubts because of something real? Or is it because Superman reminds you of HER?" When i first heard that line, i automatically assumed she was talking about Lois. But why would Superman remind the general of his daugher? Because they're roughly the same age? How would he even know that? Listening to your video today is when I realised- Waller's taking about KARA. Last Daughter of Krypton Kara. General Lane must've met her, a lone traumatized Kryptonian child who couldn't possibly have played a role in anything so... he let her go? Escape to the stars? Presumed dead? Living on Mars? Teamed up with Zod and Braniac??? Is Kara Zod???

[@certainpovmedia]

I love this idea

[@jadenbryant9283]

​@@certainpovmediaor maybe it could refer to Sam's wife who seems to be dead although that seems unlikely

[@kjj26k]

Wow, those last words you wrote, haha! Well, in season 2, we see a scene between Sam and teenage Lois where Sam thinks he and Lois are about to share a moment of triumph that has been a long time coming but instead she has an emotional breakdown and unloads on him her entire lifetime of agony and that is the mortal blow to their relationship. Zero Day pt 2, Gen. Lane has Supes right where he wants him, he is so certain that this is a moment of triumph a long time coming and instead...the alien is completely inconsolable and has a breakdown. Sam realizes he was devastatingly wrong before and could be again. He probably would have confided in Waller, his number 2, when his daughter, the prime reason he chose this path, left him. She was definitely bringing that up.

[@Rognik]

While I appreciate the effort to make subtitles for essentially a podcast, some of them need proofreading. At one point, Ivo was subtitled as "Ivanhoe".

[@certainpovmedia]

Yeah... Adobes captions aren't amazing. I think Googles are better and I may switch to not burning them into the videos

[@kiabil6194]

the way I need the sequel to this with the second season

[@kjj26k]

OMG YES

[@WillKeaton]

Really enjoying the series, but I do feel that it would have benefited a lot from being a 13 episode season instead of a 10 episode one. Just having a few breather episodes between major shakeups in the status quo would help a lot, and could be used to expand the world, say by getting to better know the staff of the Planet.

[@ghostblade5954]

26:35 "220 pounds of Kentucky Beef" RED, NO!!!!!!

[@tyforestreacts]

Thank you, KZbin algorithm.

[@samdurfee6093]

When you think 3hrs is a long time. And your talking to a member of EFAP.

[@certainpovmedia]

I was just trying to be considerate of their time, lol

[@leoryff979]

I wonder if Lex and Jimmy are distantly related in this version like in the mainline comics.

[@burkesullivan9086]

Can’t wait for season 2

[@adamtschupp9825]

Y'all need to do this with the second season

[@certainpovmedia]

That just may be in the cards...

[@TheItzal11]

The only Kryptonite they have came from another dimension. What if what they're going for in this universe is Krypton didn't explode. I'm thinking the core turned toxic and poisoned the planet, maybe the braniac machines were created to try to restore it then in the turmoil of people dying while trying to leave Zod took over in a military coup, converted braniac for military purposes and Zor sent Kal through the portal to escape the military dictatorship that Zod implemented. What if instead of just a ship full of Kryptonians that Zod usually has, this ends up as a full Kryptonian empire for supes to fight off and feel angsty about (continuing his current oh no my people are so violent and bad angst).

[@AnotherRandomUserName100]

Oh, like in Invincible? Not saying it's bad, just that that's the comparison people will draw.

[@kjj26k]

Spoilers for Season 2 Turns out Brianiac hit 'em with the Phantom Drive and sent the whole planet to the shadow zone. But, iirc, there were Kryptonian ships in B's flashback that were falling to Kryptonite infections. So the stuff is probably a weapon created and deployed by one of Krypton's many, many enemies.

[@compareandcontrast9833]

I can't belive they reacted to this show before shaddydorags did.

[@ClericOfPholtus]

Hey now Rags has been busy pumping out stuff that had been in the pipeline He'll get there lol

[@warioskapelli3100]

Really looking forward to how this show handles other Kryptonian villains. Wouldn’t be surprised if those Kryptonian soldiers were seeing are really Eradicator units like the ones from DC Rebirth, and the crystals growing from Kryptonite exposure are absolutely going to be used to explain Doomsday’s physical appearance. Dude’s basically a Kryptonian caveman and there’s no way they’re not going to *try* to use kryptonite on him to give Clark a fighting chance.

[@grantlauzon5237]

1:01:59 Thinking about Nicepool from Deadpool & Wolverine.

[@MuuToo]

Easily the second outtro is my favorite. That fucking guitar is my best.

[@spacecat_scribbles]

augh you talking about this show makes me want to watch it all again

[@kjj26k]

VPN, I think it is also on Adult Swim.

[@cje499]

Hope you and OSP get together for S2

[@certainpovmedia]

Me too! It was a great conversation!

[@cje499]

@@certainpovmedia considering what we've seen from the trailers and sneek peaks (new take on his rogues gallery, a certain fan theory on a certain scientist assistant proved true, and the debut of our favourite maiden of might), I look forward to it

[@acuteoctogon9303]

14:08 ginger 20:32 episode 1 pilot part 1 53:30 episode 2 pilot part 2 1:04:20 cleaning up 1:10:54 episode 3 1:20:40 episode 4 1:23:25 alex 1:34:28 episode 5 1:44:32 episode 6 1:51:15 Jimmy knew 1:55:00 episode 7 2:20:20 citizens 2:23:00 episode 8

[@Neo232100]

I am desperately hoping that James Gunn’s Superman movie is good.

[@kruaser123]

I can't wait till we get to this worlds version of Doomsday and the death of Superman. Not just because I am an edge lord but because I feel this version of Superman can twist the knife of a world without Superman harder than version to date. Also because I wanna see this version of Clark with the 90s mullet

[@MadameTamma]

What I'm really excited for is the obligatory Superman is 'mind controlled/ has his mind altered to act in a way he wouldn't normally choose to do' episode. They've done such a good job of setting up that his greatest nightmare is hurting people or being used as a weapon. More so than any other iteration of Clark, I think it would emotionally mess him up so bad. Even just discovering a way that his mind can be altered/ controlled exists would be enough to horrify him.

[@sheenpailovesu7841]

The whole "Jimmy makes the plot advance" thing becomes even FUNNIER with Season 2.

[@certainpovmedia]

@@sheenpailovesu7841 oh definitely!

[@Striker_2]

With the next season right around the corner my wishlist is either a Batman or The Flash cameo or reference

[@kjj26k]

You got a Green Lantern and Hawkgirl.

[@MrDegan2]

"ahh they said kneel I wonder who that will be" and then season 2 happened

[@MadameTamma]

Clark Kent, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen = Kermit the frog, Miss Piggy, Gonzo I'm putting that out there, do with these facts what you will.

[@certainpovmedia]

I love this!

[@reachthroughreality]

41:33 I can never escape Star Fox 64

[@erict.miyahira6241]

1:35:40 Uhm, Chimchar is from Gen 4, the DS era, not GBA. Yeah thats the only thing i can comment on. I have no idea how i got here, but still watched the video.

[@certainpovmedia]

You're right! I was thinking of Torchic but getting mixed up with Chimchar from my general fascination with it!

[@planersage1117]

Re watching this after seeing arch's take. I like this better.

[@pining_tree6788]

Not even ten minutes in and already love this, will there be an episode about season 2

[@certainpovmedia]

@@pining_tree6788 it's recorded! Just need to edit

[@compareandcontrast9833]

Oh, the blue power-up thing is from the 90s. I know everyone thinks it's super sayian blue, but Superman did it first.

[@certainpovmedia]

I love me some electric blue Superman! It's definitely a reference to that, but it does work differently here. Jon Kent in the comics recently has had something similar too!

[@ClericOfPholtus]

Super Man God Super Man To go even Godder beyond Superman God!

[@tylerferguson3193]

Hope you'll have a good day

[@cedricrobertson2893]

This is a 8 years old channel how is still so small and still exist?

[@certainpovmedia]

I took over the channel about 4 years ago and it's been a pet project since then. We've grown a lot in the time, but it is still small. I keep at it because I love putting stuff out there! - Case

[@cedricrobertson2893]

​@@certainpovmediawell now you have another subscriber, even if I will be listening in 15 minutes chunks

[@certainpovmedia]

@@cedricrobertson2893 thank you! The Superman Analogue videos on the channel are generally 5ish minutes each, so check those out of you need shorter stuff!

[@tananario23]

This was fun!

[@giselle9230]

Please PLEASE do another episode where you cover season 2, I need MORE

[@giselle9230]

OMG I see it's already out HA

[@certainpovmedia]

@@giselle9230 we just released it :-)

[@giselle9230]

@@certainpovmedia what an amazing day to be into Superman media :))

[@VigilanceOfSilver]

Commenting to cite how early I found this when this podcast blows up IDK if you've ever had them on, but I think that CerebroCast. Each episode focuses on a different character from the X-Men comics and I feel like there'd be a lot of audience overlap

[@certainpovmedia]

@@VigilanceOfSilver I reached out to Connor back in the day when I first got interested in cerebrocast in its first year. He's very busy, lol

[@certainpovmedia]

But thank you for the comment. It really means a lot to me - Case

[@ramirogalletti]

I want to see IF Red & Blue would come back for the season 2, i wamt to see their opinion of "kara cosplaying as Android 18"

[@certainpovmedia]

@@ramirogalletti that may be in the cards

[@lvlHive]

How the hell does this have less than 100 views???

[@Broomer52]

Well I’ve never heard of this channel until just now. The KZbin search engine is broken and the algorithm is a fickle thing

[@ClericOfPholtus]

Aint that the fucking truth​@@Broomer52

[@alx9776]

The thing with Jimmy Olsen's design change is that he's part of this overall trend, this "Profitable Calculus of Representation" you see in modern stories (and particularly adaptations like superhero ones). Since representation is more applauded and accepted these days, but company boards are still scared of internet backlash when it's applied to major (particularly preexisting) characters (combined with likely their own internal biases), you therefore get these creators caught between their own creativity and their corporation limits, and making the same choice in character design. A lot. To the point where, over time, it almost feels like a compromise. Maybe it's just recency bias, but with Jimmy here, alongside other recent animated characters like Gus from The Owl House and Bow from She-Ra, all very modern animated series with a black character as the protagonist trio's third wheel, you do start to see a 'code in the Matrix', as Blue put it. Not of one company, but of a general mindset between creators. You can start to guess which character is likely to be changed to non-white (and it's not often the protagonist), or which character will be retconned into being bi or queer (especially in superhero comics). I don't think I'd call it an outright negative trend, but it still does feel like creators are getting really comfortable with a template and often feel unwilling to just boldly go out there with an adaptation. Something along the lines of "The last member of an alien species, adopted son of Earth, doesn't have to be white", or "This main character, with some homoerotic subtext but also iconic romantic storylines with the opposite gender, can be gay this time"; these stories seem like the kind of thing shot down by a higher up for being "too risky". It feels like these modern stories have found a "safe" point, and therefore feel comfortable with not stepping outside it. (Is this saying anything? I've just been noticing these patterns a lot, that's all.)

[@rustyyamate5888]

Nah this definetly feels like a trend. Hopefully over time they will be willing to push the envelope on full on minority intepritations on main characters.

[@MuuToo]

Also RWBY mentioned, neuron activated

[@certainpovmedia]

Love me some RWBY!

[@MuuToo]

@@certainpovmedia Yeeaaahhh! Really enjoying this vid, 'boutta finish and hop to the season 2 video right after!

[@heroboygamebase2286]

The show's animation has a strong resemblance to Teen Titans.

[@metatronblack]

😮

[@backbiter8787]

I am going be contrarian and say that I HATE most of the designs in this show. Every villain is just a mercenary wearing boring bulky power armor. What this show does right is the core characters but all the lore bits are just.. off.