The History of Arnor - Region Spotlight

[@MenoftheWest]

Please check out the Lord of the Rings Online and The Battle for Middle-earth: Rise of the Witch-king for more immersion in Arnor! I love both of those games, and would highly recommend them!

[@dreenarmookington2240]

Definitely! The BFME series is amazing, and especially loved the War of the Ring mode

[@BC_UA]

On which server do you play in Lord of the Rings Online? Maybe we could play one day and do some adventures in Evendim :D

[@MrDuck797]

Hey Yoystan! Long time no see! Sorry to say I got a bit distracted the last six or so months. But I’m glad to say I’ve returned!

[@darrylcameron3008]

What of gandalf the grey survived Moria ?

[@jamesg9840]

I love the North Downs in LOTRO, you get a full history off the place questing there.

[@IronDragon-2143]

I never get tired of the world J. R. R. Tolkien has built.

[@davidbrennan660]

When one is tired of Middle Earth one sells its soul to Bad Robot and all falls into shadow.

[@IronDragon-2143]

@@davidbrennan660 Or Disney

[@MrHistory269]

I’ve always loved LOTR but I have these phases where I watch everything LOTR and my KZbin is just filled with LOTR for months then it switches to Star Wars and I watch everything Star Wars (The movies a rewatch of the Clone Wars) etc for months....the cycle never ends

[@BrassCatcher365]

That makes two of us, friend.

[@scottytomlin705]

Same. I can watch this all day.

[@NerdoftheRings]

Great topic, my friend! I remember being enthralled with the lore after seeing the Argonath, and the history of Gondor and Arnor is so epic, tragic, and deep! Well done as always, Yoystan!

[@MenoftheWest]

Thanks Matt, I appreciate you buddy! You're absolutely right, the history of both Gondor and Arnor really speak to the humanity within all of us!

[@meeskeessen4848]

@@MenoftheWest it’s so cool you guys still make vids about Tolkiens legendarium

[@GeroldGarthcia]

There is a beautiful romantic quality to Arnor as this noble, but doomed and ultimately fallen kingdom. The perfect setting for heroes like Aragorn and Frodo to arise from.

[@orrointhewise87]

“There are a few of us left; the northern kingdom was destroyed long ago” I think u hit the nail on the head with regards to nostalgia and memory. These tales of history remind us what it must have been like for our forebears. What they made, what they endured, and what they left behind. I’m a firm believer in the notion that in order to be ready for your future u need to know your history. So even tho Arnor did fall in would rise again, thx to its new king. Who knew what he went thru and where he was now going :)

[@stephenhancock1578]

Perfectly said.

[@Will.Flavell]

The blood of Numenor is all but spent it’s pride and dignity forgotten. Elronds quote due to Arnor was no longer a kingdom but a wilderness that it’s few survivors roam around as nomadic rangers while Gondor has its line of kings broken and its rule is given to lesser men the once great kingdoms of Numenoreans fell into decline seems like hope is lost unless the one ring is destroyed and the last heir of Isildur (Aragorn) must reunite the men of the west and face the same evil and defeat it.

[@xtremeranger30]

Poor Arvedui was prophesized to be the "Last King" and he had to inherit a declining rump state in Arthedain where he couldn't do much against Angmar. Really an unlucky man.

[@goodputin4324]

Nevertheless King Arvedui had the help of Lindon and Imladris.

[@xtremeranger30]

​@@goodputin4324 Only after Arvedui's death though the Witch-King would be driven out of the north by the Elves and Gondor.

[@goodputin4324]

@@xtremeranger30 Glorfindel actually drove the Witch King out.

[@xtremeranger30]

​@@goodputin4324 Yes Glorfindel indeed engaged the Witch-King and told his famous prophecy to King Eärnur of Gondor, but it was a combined alliance of Gondor, Imladris and Lindon at the Battle of Fornest.

[@goodputin4324]

@@xtremeranger30 I know I wrote that earlier. Gondor and the 2 Elven cities did defeat the Angmarian army but Glorfindel singlehandedly made the Witch King flee for good.

[@Kingtot]

Is it odd I get slightly sad in real life thinking of Arnor's fate?

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

In greek is called "ANEMOIA", the longing for lands, people and loved ones never met but your blood remembers.

[@pianogang2273]

Not at all! I got really sad once my journy with Eriol/Ælfwine was over in the Book of Lost Tales series. :'(

[@matthiasweiss1144]

Not as weird as me begrudging Tolkien giving the people of his world such harsh fates with a stroke of his pen!

[@tylersoto7465]

No it's ok lol 😑

[@Deathrune14]

No: it means you have a heart. There is great truth in all of Tolkien's fiction :-)

[@Scotticus71]

Thank you Yoystan, the story of Arnor is one of glory, tragedy but most importantly courageous perseverance. It embraces the virtue of hope, which does not disappoint!

[@austinhoover4962]

two things. One: Thanks for making videos in these trying times. Two: I love that your videos end with that homely hobbit-hole, seeing that image and hearing that little string music always makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

[@ValmeyjarWolf]

I think the story of Numenor, Arnor, and the Rangers is my favorite part of LOTR's backstory. I wish that they could get their own, proper novels.

[@Thomas.Wright]

You know, when I was young and reading LOTR, for some reason I got it in my head that any place called "Downs" were haunted by Barrow Wights. I have no idea where I got that idea, though.

[@Steel-101]

Mr West: “I’m easy. I’m easy like Sunday morning 🎼 🎶 🎵” lol 😆

[@DonMeaker]

I look at Arnor as being analogous to the Western Roman empire, and Gondor being analogous to the Eastern (Byzantium) Roman Empire. That would make Annuminas like Rome, and Fornost like the later capital of Ravenna, which was also the capital under the Goths, and the next like Pavia, the capital under the Lombards.

[@lordheklsmosh9490]

One of the greatest kingdoms of men.

[@voices4oppressed]

And amongst them is the greatest kingdom... The one now in tales and songs recalling of the ancient kingdom of men 'The Lost Realm of Vaeleyaes' The realm of absolute beauty!! 😢😢💔

[@eacalvert]

So glad I finally get to watch this. These videos really are the highlight of my week. You passion and hard work always show ❤️

[@MenoftheWest]

Thanks Elizabeth! I appreciate you and the support!

[@eacalvert]

@@MenoftheWest your channel does bring me so much joy! I reworked my budget specifically for the support. And I need to give energy drinks anyway they're bad for me when I can get the same kick from coffee 😅

[@mojosbigsticks]

I love the way you skirted over the war of the ring, as just a part of a bigger story. It's important to bear that in mind.

[@stevenfries7032]

I agree. because the War of the Ring was just a sizable but smaller part of the history of middle earth. so much happened before then and a lot of rich history in this fantasy world.

[@gimbatul9761]

As a history lover, I see comparisons to Arnor/Gondor to the eastern and western Roman empires. I can go further, but it isn't too pleasant to speculate.

[@junvloeberghs6999]

Yes, it also reminds me of the franckish empire since it was also split in three

[@fuzzymcnuget1827]

Moria was a an actual kingdom briefly off Greece during the 3rd crusade? I think? I was like whaaaaaaa when I found that out

[@Richard.Vox.]

A lot pf people belive that Tolkien basically mixed our own acient history with the scaterings we have of Doggerland (now under the north sea) so basically pre catastrophy from 12k years ago. A lot of right wing esotaric types kinda belove this.

[@seekthevisceral]

There isn't enough gratitude for the videos you share with the world. Thank you!

[@nictron99]

Lotro MMO does give great insight into this history. JRR did a wonderful service with his work

[@sethmiller2534]

As you pour over these maps, I pour over this content, and I’m truly overjoyed. This is magical because of you

[@timonsolus]

It’s sad that Arnor split into 3 rival petty kingdoms which went to war with each other. This happened after the Istari came to Middle Earth - why couldn’t Gandalf do anything to prevent it?

[@MenoftheWest]

Great question Tim, I wondered that myself. While I believe Malbeth the Seer was just a man, it would be super interesting if that had been the Arnorian name for Gandalf, and it would explain his disappearance in the story. I am unsure as to why he did not help.

[@AugustusR]

It was one of those wars of princes / family conflicts so common in civilisations such as these. Maybe Gandalf felt it was a bit too much, overstepping his authority as it were, to meddle in this conflict for it involved neither orcs nor the Dark Lord. What I don't understand is why he did not join the fight against the Witch-King... hmmm

[@istari0]

I believe Gandalf didn't arrive until after Arnor split into 3. If Tolkien wrote anything specific about what Gandalf was doing during the time of the Angmar wars, I have forgotten it.

[@goodputin4324]

@@MenoftheWest Gandalf would have been known by his Elf name, Mithrandir.

[@rangerofthenorth1970]

I've been waiting this video for a long time, thank you for this. Just keep up with good work, really LOVE this channell?

[@marionbaggins]

Man, Tolkien and his talking about Nostalgia things, it's really lovely isn't it!!! The Realm of Arnor is another great example of that!!! Thanks Mellon, for telling us Arnor's History, Until Free Folk are the WOTR...Marion Baggins Out!!!

[@D4rkn3ss2000]

22 seconds ago lol Last time I was this early, Arnor still had a King

[@MenoftheWest]

LOL ah so sad :(

[@fingolfin9086]

Well played

[@filipeventura7588]

really great video, especially considering you were narrating it from a bathroom! thanks!

[@D4rkn3ss2000]

I always wanted to see the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor at their full glory, more Arnor than Gondor for the same reason you explained in the video. The Lands of Arnor were lost to time while Gondor lasted to become the modern (tough diminished) kingdom.

[@thegreyworldwalker8882]

Man it's such a journey to realize that even before the war of the ring, all the hope of man had fought and already lost! And yet men lived on, and won! What a miracle it has to be for hope to Survive such a terror as Sauron.

[@desenhoerpg]

The conclusion was amazing. Nice job.

[@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife]

Meanwhile beyond the doors to the void. Morgoth: *sigh* what time is it?!?

[@Rumple88.]

Love your vids, keep up the good work m8 ;)

[@Dare_To_Game]

As much as i love many different regions of Arda, Arnor is consistently my favorite.

[@MalunoMcSketch]

You always make awesome content. This one is really good though. Much love bro.

[@tf2664]

I’ve been hoping for this for a long time

[@johnpatricktan5545]

The region is an interesting one, even though there were so much problems and tragedies, the peoples who live there still carry on and that inspires many of us today who are living in very troubling times

[@pjmurray91]

This is my favorite channel about Tolkien's work. I still haven't read all of it yet.

[@mandrellrob7141]

Thanks for the upload

[@tempstep4058]

Subscribed. I get my Tolkien from here. I deleted my Amazon membership. I was deeply hurt.

[@AugustusR]

Aaah ever-empty Arandórë, all grass and rain and wind until the Hobbits made their bit into a little paradise. I wonder if Aragorn resettled some Gondorians north to at least fill up Annúminas.

[@urdin2242]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for!

[@sageofcaledor8188]

Thank you for a wonderful video

[@armaanrampersad2415]

It's sad to think that by the end of the third age these kingdoms of men, never really recovered to their former glory. All good things must come to an end, but they won't be forgotten.

[@SirMattomaton]

Though the old kingdoms never would, but the renewed Gondor under King Elessar II (Aragorn) would reforge ahead a new kingdom to equal, or even rival, Numenor.

[@stevenfries7032]

Yeah, once Aragorn was crowned king, he would reforge arnor....and a new golden Era of Arnor would begin. It is Arnor Reborn....with the Rangers finally having a home to settle at the borrow downs(beacuse it is no longer haunted since Sauron and Witch king were destroyed).

[@brookssouders3112]

Wow I love Arnor. I’ve learned so much from this video

[@papapalpatine5308]

May Illuvatar bless you, Mellon. I've been having a hard time linking the Arnorian history with the Gondorian history.

[@thehighguarduk4820]

Fantastic video, really well told and explained. Nicely done!

[@brobert33]

i love all the battle for middle earth rise of the witch king campaign still shots. love the game and love seeing them in the videos

[@nunouno001]

I remember playing the Angmar faction in the Lord of the Rings RTS game. It was really fun but really sad since you were playing the villains and destroying the kingdom and people of Arnor. At least Gondor survived and Aragon would go on to restore the kingdom.

[@vahlen5281]

The developers even went so far and gave the Arnor faction unique models and heroes in Rise of the Witch King despite (sadly) being unplayable. Man, I really miss the Battle for Middle Earth games.

[@rushingdrake608]

@@vahlen5281 the games community is still alive and well. Lots of sweet mods and remastered versions of the game. Some even have Arnor as a playable faction.

[@marcteissier4016]

Really great video !

[@ChowMeinWarrior]

Thank you!

[@hughgedney3393]

A very great video as always Men of the West.

[@istari0]

It would have been interesting I think to read more of what happened and what Aragorn did in the 4th Age to create a reunited kingdom that existed on more than just paper.

[@DoBap_]

The decline of Arnor and the destruction by Angmar would make such a great TV series.

[@theranger6411]

Man the Witch King really hate this Kingdom. Good vid as always

[@slimfahjah6746]

Ssssoooooooooo excited! Let's listen!

[@longliveclassicmusic]

I think what makes Tolkein's work so powerful and enamoring is the nostalgia and the way the world tends toward normality. What once started as great godlike figures waging war before even the elves and what eventually evolved into elves and even earlier men who accomplished heroic, legendary feats and built spectacular cities tends towards normality. It's a litmus test of the normality of places like The Shire, where there's no splendor of Gondolin or mystical forests of Doriath, but there is peace and happiness. What's so scary about real life is civilization is only getting more and more advanced. More people, finer splendors and luxuries, ever-changing technology and politics. I think most people wish life would get simpler, not more complicated. Tolkein's work is a escape into a world where the world's progression is reversed. Fewer or no elves, fewer men after millions were lost to war and plague, only one great city left that is humble in comparison to those of the past… But the shire is thriving… Country life is unmolested… People are raising families without competing with one another and fighting over advantage. It's extraordinary how the vastness, dangers, and ambitions of Utumno, Angband, Mordor, and Angmar at war with the great Noldor or Isildur's lineage have fallen away with the humble bliss of The Shire and the Kingdom of Gondor humbled in the shadow of its forefathers, even of the shadow of the lost region of Arnor, remaining.

[@MS-Melas]

I love Cardolan of the three the most. I would love to know more about the grave hills and the city of Tharbad, sadly Tolkien didn't write "much" about it. I also think that of the three Kingdoms, Cardolan suffered the most.

[@baschdiro8565]

Ah, Arnor, my most favourite kingdom in Middle-earth.

[@DzughashvilisFavored]

Currently running a modified Adventures in Middle-Earth:5E Campaign set in Arnor starting in 1410 T.A.

[@michaelroark2019]

Tolkien knew his medieval history. The historical parallel to Arnor being divided into three kingdoms is the division of Charlemagne's empire into three kingdoms. The western one becomes France and the Eastern part eventually becomes Germany. The center one was under Lotho and disappeared as a political power, being conquered by the other two kingdoms. What Tolkien is doing is recasting real history in mythic clothing. He is a master who was amazingly creative in taking elements from the past and reshaping them into a modern myth. He resonates with a sense of realism because there is a real basis behind his work. Hence he was a genius in embuing his highly fictionalized story with a depth of realism. He cannot be easily imitated because few would have his historical and literary background and the genius of reinterpreting it in fiction.

[@Steven-op5zv]

Agreed! Imitation of JRRT's Eä/Arda/M.E. and package of themes has always ended up second-rate at best, especially when from a Postmodernist standpoint (JRRT reacted against Modernism but also warned in "On Fairy-Stories" against the mindset that became Postmodernism, thanks Tolkien Geek of the Tolkien Lore Channel for pointing that out). Conversely, world-building fantasy/sci-fi storytelling that shows only a little bit of inspiration from JRRT's works has usually ended up better, especially when Postmodernist. Western Pre-Modernism as worldview & practice had problems, but neither Modernism nor Postmodernism has done better (and Postmodernism has been applied in power for enough decades, now, to prove this conclusion).

[@briangarrow448]

I have met a few of these grim, proud and mysterious men of the wild who we call Rangers, here in my home of Bree. Many is the time I have been on the long road between Bree and the lands near the Lonely Mountain and was grateful for the quiet company of these Rangers. I try to make a yearly trek to sell my stock of pipe weed to the citizens of the former burg of Laketown, the dwarves of Thorin’s clans and those of the Iron Hills. It can be a dangerous road and having a Ranger in your party is better than having a trained war Oliphant to ride upon. Of course knowing the King before he was crowned has helped with my interactions with the men who now rule the North. And he is one of my oldest customers! I wonder if I can sell my weed with the motto- As preferred by His Majesty? Who knows, but since the war, the roads are safer and much more traffic walks and rides these paths now. Enough of my natterings, if you happen to be passing through Bree, stop at the Prancing Pony and check the common room. If I’m home, I shall be at the back of the room with my pipe and a mug of ale. Bring a smile and a story and the first mug is on my bill!

[@MouseGuardian]

I want to know more of the noble houses of Arnor and the petty lordships under Artedain, Cardolan and Rhudaur. What is mentioned and what are the theories and speculations? Thanks.

[@Lazarosaliths]

Your videos are amazing 👍!!!

[@ErelasInglor]

It always struck me as odd that the Elostirion stone was not offered to Aragorn as his inheritance and seems to have instead been ushered out by the elves. Of the many structures built by the elves this is one of the very few (if only?) built specifically for a man of Númenor.

[@ajavierb2078]

What is the elostirion stone?

[@6505evh1]

Awesome thanks 🙏🏼

[@yorktown99]

At 2:25, this Dunedain looks a hell of a lot like Eric Bana

[@Thomas.Wright]

I just realized: the horse on the right side of the gate looks like a unicorn. RIDE FAR AWAY ACROSS THE MIGHTY RIVER TAY OVER MOUNTAINS INTO THE UNKNOWN!

[@9and7]

Honestly: These videos are so good it exposes the one mistake Tolkien made..........He should've written way more.....

[@9and7]

@Utube Fknsucks I know can only wish he wrote more...

[@venkelos6996]

I'll be the first to admit I sometimes lose track of the scale of time, in certain points of Middle Earth, but how long was Elendil High King? Numenor was destroyed, but the Faithful survived, and reached Middle Earth. Then Sauron returned to Mordor, and eventually declared war on his hated enemies; I guess his possession of the Ring let him reform faster, this time, after the Fall of Numenor. Building impressive cities takes time, so how long was Elendil tooling around, while they built Annuminas, before he had to leave, meet up with Gil-Galad, prep for war (three years?), and then hang out at the Black Gate for seven years? How much of Minas Tirith was built by then, where Isildur could recover, write his last account, and then ride off to his own death? Did these people use magical Numenorian techniques to forge their cities more quickly? Were they already begun before the Fall, and thus just the most convenient, fortified places for the survivors to declare their rules?

[@anti-liberalismo]

He wad high king for 122 years

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

No joke just after you uploaded this. Another KZbinr I watch called Ruudevil uploaded the new Arnor Update for the mod for the Battle for Middle Earth II. And you both used the same picture of Fornost as the video thumbnail.

[@garandolph]

keep up the good work

[@slicerneons3300]

Makes me want to play my old LotR RISK boardgame again. Or War in the North. Both are great.

[@donaldlewis9363]

I have the trilogy edition for sale. Unopened.

[@slicerneons3300]

@@donaldlewis9363 Oooh!

[@paulwagner688]

The bridge at Tharbad endured until well into the Third Age. After the desertion of Cardolan it fell into disrepair and ruin.

[@AugustusR]

And Boromir used the crossing, ruins and all. I guess it most have been all that "training" in Osgiliath with its -also- broken bridge... maaan the taxes Aragorn must have levied to rebuild all of that broken stuff lol

[@paulwagner688]

@@AugustusR No place else to cross the Greyflood, because it made a great river when it was formed by Hoarwell and Glanduin

[@AugustusR]

@@paulwagner688 Maybe the Sirannon? Surely the elves of Eregion had some bridges there and it was just a stream, that was in fact dammed by then. Why cross the Gwathlo at all other than to flex ahaha

[@paulwagner688]

@@AugustusR Tharbad is further south than Eregion, so the Elves used the crossings of Bruinen and Hoarwell to travel west. Besides, the North South Road had its crossing in Tharbad, so Boromir followed that to cross before he went North

[@AugustusR]

@@paulwagner688 Yeah but for Boromir it would have been a shorter journey to just leave the road, cross the smaller Sirannon and ride north across old Hollin to the Bruinen. I mean the old road was just a dirt and grass path by then, all he did after his herculean crossing was to go around so he could take the last bridge back east... he crossed the Bruinen twice!

[@mandrellrob7141]

Would love to see the difference in Arnor soldiers armor and castle structures compared to Gondor

[@snakeplissken2018]

Over all the thousands years over their 3 ages it really surprising that their technology didn't advance

[@Relics_of_Arda]

What a great video.

[@gokulkalla221]

What is the name of the last song. I can't find it on the website link you provided.

[@SheyOfTheFae]

Arnor is a faction in the LOTR mobile game. I am a part of that faction. We've got the Shire.

[@aycemanm8151]

Seeing the upcoming Amazon Lord of the Rings series, I am curious to see how Arnor will be portrayed. I would love to see the kingdom portrayed at its peak splendor, we will see....

[@madambutterfly1997]

So we had Arnor in the North Gondor in the South and Rohan sandwiched between them? Correct me if I'm wrong but that would seem a little problematic if Arnor ever had to march through to get to Gondor for Aid or vice versa. Yeah both kingdoms were allied with Rohan but who's to say one of the Horse Lords just got it in their head one day (maybe via Sauron) that this Alliance was beneath him.

[@MenoftheWest]

That's a great point! I suppose if marching through Rohan was ever problematic in later years, they could go through Anfalas and Belfalas on the other side of the White Mountains!

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@MenoftheWest but there are still Orcs in the White Mountains Are there not? Those that survived the war of the Dwarves and Orcs fled there and harassed Rohan to survive. Or did they all die in the Battle of the Five Armies?

[@kevskevs]

The land of Rohan (previously Calenardhon, a province of Gondor) was given to the Rohirrim by Cirion, the 12th Ruling Steward of Gondor, in 2510 Third Age. Arnor had already been divided in 861 Third Age and ultimately fallen in the 1970s Third Age, so there was no need for travel between Gondor and Arnor anymore.

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@kevskevs one of the many Boons they received for aiding against Rhun and the Easterlings

[@AugustusR]

@@madambutterfly1997 King Folca of Rohan mostly cleared his side of the mountains of orcs back in the XXIX century (after the Orcs got crushed in Azanulbizar). I guess only a few remained at the other side, or else Sauron would have called them up in the war.

[@hanrockabrand95]

The Lake of Twilight sounds nice. I would want to live in the Risky Mountains.

[@madambutterfly1997]

I'm pretty sure you did a video on this, but how can you tell the difference between the initial three houses of elves from all the subcategories. Like Quenya elves and Sindar elves. We know Legolas and Thranduil are Sindar, Galadriel is Noldor and Telari, Elrond is Vanyar Noldor and Telari, Gilgalad(❤) was also Noldor

[@MenoftheWest]

Here you are, my friend! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpfQZaiOgtSVoNU

[@gujikujtutu2330]

I've always wondered, if the Reunited Kingdom in the fourth age was more powerfull than the united kingdom in the SA.

[@goodputin4324]

Nope

[@RoberttheFox0001]

I do love the kingdom of Arnor

[@legion9423]

Love Arnor and Gondor, Numenor as a whole.

[@gozer33]

So do we know what choice was foretold that could have saved arthedain? Not taking the boat that sank?

[@rangerofthenorth1970]

Hey Yoystan (again sory if I misspelled your name again) , do you have any hint at what happened to History of the Ages?

[@MenoftheWest]

Hey buddy! I've heard a bit of what has been going on, but it's not my place to say. I think they should be back soon and I believe all will be well!

[@rangerofthenorth1970]

@@MenoftheWest Thanks for info, mellon

[@Raz.C]

I always thought it was cool that Minis Ithil was ruled over by Anarion and that Minas Anor was ruled by Isildur. Because Minas Ithil (Tower of the Moon) was ruled by Anarion (meaning son of the sun) and Minas Anor (Tower of the Sun) was ruled by Isildur (meaning Devotee of the Moon).

[@shanenolan8252]

Thanks beautiful thumbnail

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

So Middle Earth had battles in 1974 and 1975 that sounds crazy I thought it was thousands of years ago

[@micahkongkousonh7747]

Does anybody know of a relatively detailed picture of just Arnor? I’ve been wanting to make a map of it, but it’s hard to know Arnor’s borders while still seeing the cities and such.

[@robertdendooven7258]

Where in Tolkien's writings did you find that The Shire used to be the King of Arnor's hunting grounds? It would seem like a good area to farm as the Hobbits did later on. You have to wonder why Tolkien always said the amount of people in Arnor always seemed to decrease. You would have thought the people could have had more children like rural people in the actual history of Earth. It seemed just to be another plot point of Tolkien's that did not always follow the logic of a "real" place.

[@MenoftheWest]

Great points Robert! It is said in the Peoples of Middle-earth that the king would hunt in the Shire, thrice a year after the Hobbits moved there, but even before when it had once been a royal park!

[@robertdendooven7258]

@@MenoftheWest Thanks for the reply. I have not read the Peoples of Middle-earth volumes.

[@robertdendooven7258]

@@MenoftheWest Another few questions. Did the men of Arnor and Gondor make the North-South Road to communicate between each other or was it already there when they arrived in Middle-Earth? How about the East-West Road? The Dwarves or the Elves? How far north into Eriador did Sauron's forces come in the war between the Elves and Sauron in the Second Age? I know they laid siege to both Lindon and Rivendell, but did they come much farther North than where the East-West Road is in the Third Age?

[@AugustusR]

@@robertdendooven7258 Well Yoystan did not reply but... 1) Indeed the road was once known as the Royal Road for that reason, as it linked both realms. 2) The East-West road was dwarven and it went all the way to the borders of Doriath. 3) Sauron never really made anywhere close to the East-West road... he went from Ost-in-Edhil to Tharbad, took the North-South Road, crossed the Sarn Ford, and then marched straight into Lindon, whence the elves and the numenoreans held him at the waters of the Lune for like 3 years (Anarion did the same centuries later defending the Anduin... Sauron was kind of bad at crossing rivers lol).

[@offroader9965]

What happened to the “History of the Ages” channel Yoystin?!?!

[@Thomas.Wright]

Banned by KZbin. But, according to the HOTA crew, it should be back soon.

[@leonellthelion]

I have always favored Gondor over Arnor but it is still one of the finest kingdoms of Men in Middle Earth.

[@Revenix]

Yea, time to expand my brainness!

[@astral785]

Can anyone tell me what happened to the "history of the ages channel" can't find it

[@istari0]

KZbin took it down for too many copyright infringements. The operators posted a video on their Facebook page that the issues have been cleared up and the channel will be restored although they didn't know how quickly that would be. facebook.com/HistoryoftheAges

[@TheDesknight]

Anyone else came here because they read ' The History of Armor ' ?

[@Thomas.Wright]

You might be looking for Shadiversity, Skallagrim, or Scholagladiatoria.

[@israelrice]

Unrelated... Anyone know what happened to the “History of the ages” KZbin channel?

[@caldooo]

Anuminas was rebuilt?

[@CG-or1re]

we are all hoping that the later seasons of the amazon show they celebrate arnor at its zenith

[@tomassalinas3331]

Love it

[@thecatholiccorner]

Can someone yell me what happened to History of the Ages channel?? It just disappeared and their videos I had on my playlist are gone! :(

[@Thomas.Wright]

Holy crap! I had no idea!

[@istari0]

KZbin took it down for too many copyright infringements. The operators posted a video on their Facebook page that the issues have been cleared up and the channel will be restored although they didn't know how quickly that would be. facebook.com/HistoryoftheAges