Mentalization Based Therapy (MBT), with Dr. Anthony W. Bateman and Dr. Peter Fonagy

[@chachi958-rg8ju]

2 podcasts in a row that provide me with the clinical knowledge I find severely lacking in my grad program. Many thx!

[@Our_Patterns]

Pumped for this one.

[@shirleyduane1339]

One of my favorites! Thank you all

[@irinadimitrova9956]

Hi, geetings from Sofia, Bulgaria. Three of you were geat. It was a huge pleasure to listen and very developing. I 'm a menthal health professional and work with a team of social workers, psychologists and ets. We struggle witn same problems like Dr. Bateman's team. My next step is to search more info for MBT and talk about it with my colleagues. Be blessed for your work!

[@tamaskarpati8463]

Hello, in Hungary there will be two MBT trainings this november, lead by Anthony Bateman and his colleagues. Three bulgarian professionals has already applied for the training from Sofia. All the best

[@irinadimitrova9956]

Thank you for the information!

[@accordionSWE]

Thank you for posting this interview. It was a great joy to listen to the discussion about reflective function.

[@uniqueusername22337]

Wow. First time I’ve heard of mbt and I’m shocked. Recently learned about theory of mind. Seems like a lot of problems are caused by mind reading errors. I can certainly see looking back how it’s ruined some of my relationships.

[@erhsetgw]

thank you!!!!

[@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34]

love me some fongy & batman. got me a cuppa earl grey, lets gooooooo!!

[@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939]

Let me know your take aways!

[@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34]

@@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939 With pleasure! 😀 I was surprised to hear Theory of Mind (TOM) was not mentioned once here, but was pleased to hear the discussion about the overlap between MBT and other modalities, like psychodynamic ("old wine in new bottles" as Shedster would say 🤣) Loved the link Dr. Bateman made between _psychic equivalence_ and PTSD “flashbacks”. I had never thought of it in that way, but it absolutely makes sense. Loved that you managed to snag another role-play in there (your good at acting David, if this psychiatrist thing doesn’t work out, you would have a promising career as an actor!). Interestingly, we might view actors as having an above average ability at mentalization, as they have to know the mind of the (hypothetical) characters they are playing. As well, they have to know how their states effect the states of others (their audience). I like that you appear to be heavy into the research literature David, yet don’t feel the need to have a gazillion books behind you like most of your guests. You just have that cheetah painting behind you -- which continually mocks me in every video 🤪. I also appreciated your infectious smile and laugh which impressively dissolved these two Brit’s serious-natured “stiff upper lip” in many parts of the vid. Finally, I liked Fonagy’s final closing statement regarding how a therapist might deal with a client who they feel stuck with, by going back to the last part of what they understood, and then saying essentially “I was with you until this point, help me understand from here”. He notes this as being a way to bring the client’s lack of mentalization capacity into the session in the here and now so that both can see/acknowledging how the client's lack of mentalization led to a lack of communication.

[@lwright1554]

I love this !

[@MiltonJava]

Thanks, this is great.

[@justynaf-li3ht]

❤

[@AnonymousCowardly]

I was treated with MBT for persistent depression (don't ask why), and it only made things worse. The therapists' attempts to encourage mentalization only fueled my self-doubt and inhibitions.

[@itr6540]

Could you please explain a little more about what happened? I am thinking it may help me.

[@AnonymousCowardly]

@@itr6540 Basically, the therapists' questions echoed my inner critic. They - intentional or not - encouraged me second guessing myself by constantly asking me to consider what impact my words would have on people around me.

[@itr6540]

@@AnonymousCowardly I see, I didn’t think it could be usedin that way, I understood mentalization differently. Imo, it could be more helpful, if the therapist offered some understanding and empathy for what you are going thrpugh before asking you to imagine those things. We all seek feeling understood and accepted. And if we do no understand our own pain and feelings, how can we offer to the other people? Thank you for your response.

[@AnonymousCowardly]

@@itr6540 It was a truly bizarre experience. They correctly identified my patterns of people pleasing and self-neglect, yet the treatment made me feel like I would always need to consider other people's feelings first before even opening my mouth.

[@somuchsolittle]

@@AnonymousCowardlyhow long did you continue treatment?

[@chasing-mental-clarity]

this feels more like an interrogation vs an interview. painful to watch. on minute 12 and i don’t doubt there’s good info in here but there’s a lot more that could be done to make this interview experience smoother

[@chasing-mental-clarity]

my intention is to provide helpful feedback and it’s difficult to do this in comment format. a specific point is speaker’s tone of voice. it lacks warmth, curiosity, inquisitiveness and openness. another is the way the way some of the questions are formulated. they’re quite short & direct which contribute to the overall interrogative vibe. also, the beginning where speaker asked about depression few other personal questions was too abrupt and not handled with enough forethought to appropriate timing and the sensitive nature of such questions

[@chasing-mental-clarity]

speaker has positive facial expressions that convey warmth and comfort that make up for the above critiques - improving in above points and more will significantly improve the overall content

[@Our_Patterns]

Yeomans & Kernberg request.

[@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939]

Like together?

[@Our_Patterns]

@@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939that would be awesome. Anyone from the PDI group at Cornell would be great to represent TFP - Yeomans, Kernberg, John Clarkin, Diana Diamond.

[@nafiisadahir]

yes please@@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939

[@Me_ThatsWho]

@@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939 Separately please. Dr. Kernberg deserves a whole series.

[@somuchsolittle]

@@psychiatrypsychotherapy6939as much kernberg as possible please

[@polyspastos]

"gy" is quite close to the sound in "did you" (the "middle" one, between the two words). you might try with "due" or "during", but "gy" is usually a bit softer. In another way: say "d" out loud and notice that the tip of your tongue will touch your palate. In the case of "gy" it should rather be the middle of your tongue there, the tip should reach the backside of your teeth. or a different approach: say the word "tube". note the sound at the beginning, that is "ty" roughly in Hungarian. "gy" is the voiced counterpart - add a bit of sound to it, and you're there. it might just be me, but not being able to properly pronounce the name of a guest feels rude to me, especially on a channel like this

[@lwright1554]

What?

[@cfdrr]

'Radically open DBT' may be of help for you