Tesla Jailbreak Lets You Unlock Free Upgrades

In this video I discuss how a recent flaw found in the AMD chips within Tesla's allows hackers to unlocked upgrades (like heated seats and acceleration boost) for free. The hardware vulnerability that enables this hack is not fixable through over the air software updates.
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[@MentalOutlaw]

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[@axo_computer]

Too late lol

[@arcwiz]

Man that "YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR" piracy PSA really aged like milk now.

[@thomasslone1964]

I know like what the fuck are you talking about dude most of us would totally download a car and a wife to go with it

[@ffwast]

It was always silly because I always would have downloaded a car.

[@ffwast]

It was always silly because I always would have downloaded a car.

[@ffwast]

It was always silly because I always would have downloaded a car.

[@tralphstreet]

It was rotten milk from the get-go.

[@charautreal]

The fact that we have to jailbreak CARS to use them fully it's just wild

[@antikommunistischaktion]

I actually prefer it in a way. Why get the higher level trim when I can just buy the base level and jailbreak to the higher trim?

[@osuplaeyurreallygood]

​@@antikommunistischaktionthey are overpriced either way

[@PolumbiusTheThird]

@@antikommunistischaktion because if you buy a car you should have access to the whole thing. the fact that this is even a topic is dystopian as fuck.

[@purest_evil]

Get used to it baby, we're gonna have to fight for what we want to keep soon

[@feuerherz007]

​@@antikommunistischaktionbecause we dont actually get the cheaper. they just make more profit.

[@Immadeus]

Imagine in 50 years when people get their brain's warranty voided by jailbreaking their brain chips

[@MushookieMan]

Imagine getting a brain chip

[@hughgrection7246]

@@w花b pressing buttons on a screen isn't socializing my guy

[@weigurde]

@@hughgrection7246 yeah, but it makes it harder to meet up and coordinate with others

[@Smougda]

@@w花b today you need a fucking smartphone to pay in some stores. what a dystopia we live on.

[@adrimay]

Black mirror type stuff

[@grabbestei]

I hope this happens so often that car manufacturers just give up on software gatekeeping

[@agamersinsanity]

Elon is getting greedy

[@unquestionableexistance8704]

​@@agamersinsanity Elon getting griddy 😱😱😱

[@komiks42]

It won't.

[@vanzwho854]

i hope nobody's car actually accelerates into a tree by itself though

[@theexoreviewer5699]

They won’t, in fact they most likely will run to daddy/mommy government to make illegal and hurt the citizens. This has been the case for any anti-repair laws since 2018.

[@GiantMushrooms]

Piracy is not theft. Its freedom from evil.

[@wilh3lmmusic]

If paying isnt owning, pirating isnt stealing

[@randombleachfan]

Nice quote, I agree with this.

[@tgvinfinite2607]

dumbest quote of all time

[@GiantMushrooms]

@@tgvinfinite2607 I am sorry you are not intelligent enough to understand and have to project your own insecurities kiddo.

[@randombleachfan]

@@tgvinfinite2607 care to explain why? Or maybe you have a better quote in mind?

[@Starlit_Juno]

Jailbreaking a car sounds wild, i hate everything having software nowadays

[@MentalOutlaw]

Only requires consumer hardware too, makes me wonder if it's any harder than librebooting a thinkpad.

[@varsityathlete9927]

@@MentalOutlaw Did you know Josh from Mad At The Internet wants to talk with you?

[@nahguacm]

That's why you get an old pawn shop mountain bike. Its the librebooted arch running thinkpad of the transportation world. No license, no registration, just zooming

[@TheAlexDeFocExperience]

Well its more easy for companies to have control over your bought products. Maybe imagine adding ads to skip, to start filling up your car cuz it's a new feature or imagine a software update in the middle of your filling and you gotta stop 😂

[@Clooger-]

Which is why I'm sticking to old-school cars that I can build on, not this new bullshit. Eventually, I'll be forced to convert tho and that worries me

[@thelockpickerlag4233]

I dont think putting computers into cars was the mistake I think it was connecting them to the internet

[@solvdev]

This! Fighter jets are some of the most reliable and advanced vehicles thanks to computers, but they aren’t connected to the internet - we can use our phones for that

[@socialhostage8534]

@@solvdev Except for drones and planes made into drones.

[@tamoghnapal6619]

Watch Dogs 2 becomes reality

[@pieterpretorius1014]

@@socialhostage8534 that is the nice thing about flying with the ardupilot firmware. it doesn't need the internet and even has the capability to operate even when the telemetry link is disabled and not connected to the ground station. just send the mission over the usb cable and watch the drone fly itself for however long it needs to fly. the pixhawk is an amazing little flight controller capable of so much. and i have 2 of them

[@Velioris]

This.

[@mac6662]

Can't wait till we are jailbreaking our neurolinks

[@Margen67]

Gengar needs HUGS

[@khumkmunk2844]

finna make myself have the iq of william sidis lmao

[@wishub]

​@@khumkmunk2844poopenfarden

[@TheAlexDeFocExperience]

Jailbreaking the brain

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

If you dont die from one, yeah. Considering that "more safe then human driving" software can actually kill you due to its half-made nature...

[@agakor]

I hope Europe bans subscription based cars

[@geeshta]

It's also probably possible to skip the chips and just feed power to the heating elements in the wheel/seats etc.

[@SkylineFTW97]

Wire in new switches for all those things. People have been bypassing that stuff for ages.

[@decorumlopez9147]

problem with a Yesla is everything is controlled through a touchscreen. to get classic heating you'd have to wire in physical buttons and knobs. And when the battery pack inevitably needs to be replaced, Tesla wull most probably want to pull an Apple and refuse to service your total surveillance device, err, car.

[@SkylineFTW97]

@@decorumlopez9147 This is why I cannot support Tesla in any fashion. I already consider EVs to be astroturfed, but Tesla is especially bad in their business model. Only matched by the recent push from BMW and Mercedes to sell features as subscriptions.

[@captainvlad]

Yep just bypass it with a switch, simple effective

[@rohanofelvenpower5566]

moreover people resorting to aftermarket DYI modification bypasses quality and safety checks. some people could cause damage or fires in the example you gave to electric heat seats@@decorumlopez9147

[@alexreckard7303]

I love how companies keep paywalling, what was already included, features with these overly expensive products.

[@socialhostage8534]

'You will own nothing and by happy' really starts to hit home.

[@almostcompletelyrandomcontent]

like having a youtube video play in the background

[@elcidleon6500]

​@@socialhostage8534- Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.

[@halostryke]

@@elcidleon6500 that is a WEF quote

[@Fred_the_1996]

@@elcidleon6500 it's almost as if the people who secretly control everything are all j

[@TheDoomSlayerButPettingaCat]

Let's goooooo I fucking love jailbreaks

[@ashishpatel350]

Elon cries out in pain as you jailbreak his cars

[@digi3218]

If the jailbreak becomes widespread, I'm guessing they could probably check for it in newer updates. So you will need custom/patched firmware, which could come with a lot of broken features if Tesla wanted to block your car from using their data/network. A lot of work would need to be done if that happened to get the same experience.. I could see it being really useful in some scenarios, like drag cars, or 'tesla-swapped' vehicles. Elon probably is shedding tears of joy though lol. He will probably sue AMD later 😂

[@kphaxx]

He does that every morning as he marshals all the will that he has to lurch out of bed and maneuver his awkwardly bulky frame to the X Room, his brand name for the room he takes his morning shit in.

[@ashishpatel350]

@@digi3218 yes im sure I remember back in the day when I had an iPhone and jailbroke it the updates would sometimes reset it

[@digi3218]

@@ashishpatel350 I can't even remember that far back anymore lol. I had an original touch and an iPhone 3gs just on wifi.

[@digi3218]

@@ashishpatel350 Tesla should just slowly phase out any upgrades that you can buy and just give them to you if the car supports it. It would make jailbreaking basically useless for most. The only one that makes any sense to keep is FSD. That feature actually takes a lot of ongoing resources..

[@thelegend8570]

Finally, finally! After all these years. We've done it. We've downloaded a car. This is it, piracy has peaked.

[@the_expidition427]

Only getting started

[@youtubesucks8024]

Download the car and get a 3D printer. Done and done baby!

[@oskarelmgren]

Right to repair should include reasonable access and documentation. Not sure how that would work in reality, but definitely a lot to improve on with this situation!

[@asandax6]

How that works in reality? The manufacturer just links a pdf or Gerber file on their website about said product and that's it.

[@jhonbus]

Sadly I think they'll come up with ways to discourage people from jailbreaking their cars. Like it's not out of the realms of imagination that they'll convince the insurance companies that "Any activation of extra features through unauthorised means could have unforseeable effects on vehicle safety, so you shouldn't pay out in any case where the insured vehicle has been modified in such a way"

[@deyjaacterius9610]

They’ll lobby to make it illegal, have it affect your insurance rates, and who knows what else. They’ll try to find ways to hook your car up to a DRM server to track what you’ve purchased and monitor what your car is doing to catch jailbreaks in progress. They’ll find some way to verify firmware integrity, or if feature states can be spoofed and the integrity check tricked, they’ll find a way to identify trends in hardware utilization data to infer when things are turned on. Insert a hundred more clever things that I don’t have the technical acumen to think up. There’s probably just a little too much money in this for them not to take it as far as the general public allows them to. Look forward to the day you can have your license suspended for hacking the power window subscription on your Ford Focus.

[@MagikSpellzz]

It's impossible to make that claim because it's software they made themselves. Now, if you put custom software in it it would be a different case.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

I think the EU has laws where if they deny a warranty repair because of a modification, they have to argue the modification actually has something to do with the problem. They can't refuse to replace a cracked windscreen because you unlocked the seat heaters.

[@RyuuOujiXS]

@@MagikSpellzz Just because they made the software doesn't mean it's intended to be jailbroken. Anything you do to the vehicle that is unintended will allow Tesla to void all support promises.

[@RyuuOujiXS]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 It's software, not hardware. You'd have to illegally decrypt the software to make that claim.

[@zasli5118]

Good they deserve it. If you are sitting on the already bought and maintained by you hardware you should not have to pay for a subscribtion to use them. This is sooo dangerous cause if consumers keep their heads low everyone will suffer at the gripping hand of corporate control

There are justified cases for it. After all, the cost of downloading TV series or a movie is just pennies, even if you buy a BD it is pretty cheap by itself. So why do you have to pay for the rights to use it if the cost of manufacturing a copy is so low? The only real danger here is completely switching to subscription based models with no way of factually owning what you bought. It's ok if it's cheaper to put heated seats in all cars but enable it only for paying customers. It's not like you paid for the heated seats that are not active. You didn't pay for that, they just put it in because it was cheaper than not doing so. It still adds the cost but it is covered by paying customers and it's a good deal for them because it is cheaper than if only they would have the hardware installed. So just the fact that you may get some hardware that is locked unless you pay is not a problem. It's like having locked fridge in your hotel room or a TV that needs a pass code to watch it. The hardware is there and it does not cost them if you use it or not, so why do they put it there and ask you to pay for it additionally? Because if they would charge everyone for using TV and a fridge, some people would find a cheaper hotel that does not have them. If they would only put TVs and fridges in rooms of customers that paid for them, it would cost them more to customize every room before the guest moves in, so those guests would have to pay even more. You can ask yourself completely different question. Are you willing to pay more for your heated seats just to make sure that your neighbor who did not pay for his heated seats does not only have it unavailable but he also does not have the hardware in his car? From the perspective of paying customer, you can pay more to have exclusive right to have header seat coils in your car or you can pay less and your neighbor will also have those coils in his car but he can't use them. What do you choose? FOD is widely misunderstood feature. It's there to make the production costs lower and at the same time to still offer cheaper and more expensive variants. If everyone would be charged for heated seats equally and it would be a mandatory feature, then you would have to pay for it. You would pay for every little optional feature that is software locked weather you want it or not because everyone has to be equal. Would that be ok? If I'm willing to pay for every feature, then yes, I would pay less. If I don't want those features, then no, because I'll still have to pay for them. It does not matter if the cost per unit would be lower if we would sacrifice the option not to get the feature at all. The dangerous part is in blocking the ability to pay once and use things forever, I hate the subscription based models for things that are by definition not a service. Heated seats are not a service. They will not update it, not improve it, they have zero cost of providing heat to my ass because I'm paying the bill anyways, so they should never be able to force me to pay indefinitely. They can rent that crap to me, that's fine, but they should not block the option to buy it.

[@zasli5118]

@ No not justified at all. At all. Its a slippery slope. Or a slow hit that none will see until its too late. This "completely switching to subscription based models with no way of factually owning what you bought." is what they will push for eventually if none goes ape. ", I hate the subscription based models for things that are by definition not a service. Heated seats are not a service. " Yes.

[@rohansampat1995]

@ i choose pay more everytime. Because unlike you im not a stupid idiot who is against freedom. IF I BOUGHT THE HARDWARE, I BOUGHT THE HARDWARE. I BOUGHT THOSE COILS. IM NOT RENTING the hardware like your hotel room example. I BOUGHT IT. ITS MINE. If I buy a desk, why would I pay a subscription to use the drawers?

[@RyuuOujiXS]

Go make your own electric car if you're gonna cry so much. Oh, that's right. You're mentally retarded and can't do anything yourself.

@@zasli5118 So you want to pay more for your car so that they customize it and physically remove parts you didn't pay for? I'm against forcing people to subscription model, not against FOD. Heck, I prefer having FOD because after 10 years many of those older cars will have all features unlocked by custom software. I even had this in my 2006 Saab. It was bought without cruise control or floor/door lights but it had a hardware for it. I just had to put lightbulbs in slots that were left empty and got a feature that I didn't pay for. I flashed custom config software and unlocked cruise control because the hardware was there. Nobody cares because it was out of warranty. If they would charge me for those features, the car would cost me more. If they would not put those in, I could not enable it in 10+ years old car. But I could just because they offered it as an option and put hardware in. The only difference is that it was typically bought and enabled in dealership in those days, now it is done remotely, so it is harder to work around the modern systems to enable things you physically have but didn't pay for. As long as companies offer those options for one time payment, it's fine. If a manufacturer does not offer it, do not buy it. That's it, you can vote with your wallet. It's like complaining that I bought base version of the game and I can't use some weapons that others have. They are on my hard drive, why can't I use it? Because it's easier to have all of the content delivered to anyone and unlock the one you paid for. It's the same thing. The cost of putting heater could in every seat is much lower than manufacturing two different variants. The cost of customizing the car for customer is much easier if it is software locked. You can still buy cheaper car with no options and other guy can buy all features for much higher price. Even if it is the same car in the dealership and the only thing they have to do is switch the toggle in the software. Because they don't have to make each one custom, remove and add various parts for each customer. Instead of selling the car for $60k to everyone with all features, they sell it for $50k for those who don't want those features and $65 when they want them. It's still cheaper than having base variant for $60k and full one for $70k just because you need to physically add or remove things.

[@cheezypotato4298]

The biggest joke is that voltage glitching is one of the most common ways to bypass security messures.

[@user2C47]

If you think it's a joke, tell me how you would design a chip to defend against it.

[@the_expidition427]

This comment is a joke use a resistor or step down bridge rectifier

[@madbruv]

@@the_expidition427 add the glitch voltage after the resistor with a wire straight to the board? impossible?

[@OrangeYTT]

Same method that my xbox 360 uses 😂

[@ceu160193]

@@user2C47 Introduce system, that switches chip into lockdown mode, if voltage drops below area required for stable operation.

[@ineedmymodfixed]

I know with a lot of modern cars today (way before the heated seat fiasco) that GPS capabilities can be software disabled. I know particularly in Fords, you can use a laptop with software and an OBD2 connector to unlock your GPS (or pay the dealership a $500+ upcharge for it). It's actually pretty gross when you think its sitting there fully capable of being used, just artificially locked.

[@lenonel3286]

Injury Reserve's "Jailbreak The Tesla" was not only a banger but also a prophecy

[@000anon]

RIP Groggs

[@cherubin7th]

The real sad part is that apparently not a single car maker is like: "Hey lets compete by being not very evil." IMO such a market failure.

[@karaschmidt8152]

I'd buy a funny little Linux car so hard

[@tanktank5532]

@@karaschmidt8152Cars already run linux. You dont see windows or macOS on there.

[@1495978707]

Well that’s because most people just do not care at all. People do not buy a thing because it’s free and open, they buy it because it’s convenient, gives status, functions well enough without having to go to a shop, etc. almost no one cares about freedom, even in America. That’s what’s really sad

[@LawlessNate]

Unless you're a multi-billion dollar company then you can't afford to get in to the car business because of the thousands upon thousands of regulations you have to comply with and licenses required. Regulations are lobbied for by big corporations to try and prevent new competition from forming.

[@eagle56786]

that’s exactly how the free market works fym

[@Vienna3080]

If they don’t want us cracking them they should have provided the features from the start

[@R3TR0R4V3]

Exactly! We paid for the hardware after all.

[@theRobson0908]

To be honest i would really consider to open a car workshop just to remove those parts for people that doesn't want to go the extra mile jailbreaking it to get their money back tbh.

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@theRobson0908Problem is it would have to be off the book, or your ass is getting sued.

[@the_expidition427]

Not when the vehicle is no longer under it's loan. A manufacturer is going to find it difficult to bring a case that has standing against a client for changing the car the client bought

[@msromike123]

If they don't want me to steal things at the supermarket, they should have priced the things I want lower. Dude, really?

[@Mustachioed_Mollusk]

I prefer to call it “Car buyers find way to bypass manufacturers extortion attempts” Edit: still needs work, I know someone can do better lol

[@milk_expanse]

Car buyers buy their cars

[@the_expidition427]

Nice mollusk

[@Kitten-Master]

"the customer is always right"

[@lukemorgan6166]

Only idiots buy these cars to start

[@hackman669]

Sue them. Forcing people to buy upgrades to use what they already own is high way ribbery!😶

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Open Source, Open Future. Closed Source, Closed Future.

[@dylantheokay]

Fucking brilliant, genuinely bravo to the people who found this out, heated seats and acceleration boost should NOT COST MORE MONEY JUST TO FUCKING USE! "Sorry, you can't put *that* much charge in your car unless you've paid us more money. 50% maximum for you."

[@Andriej69]

That old "You wouldn't download a car" ad became even more hilarious today

[@onradioactivewaves]

"You wouldn't sexual harassment on an airplane compensatory acquire a horse"

[@jimster1111]

"you wouldnt download pirated rooted firmware for your car" why wouldnt i? then the manufacturer couldnt screw me over by making the car drive back to the dealership, or give the government the ability to activate a killswitch. im officially not buying an electric car until its had its software cracked.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

I will not buy it even after. The only electric transport i seen is E-buses, and they are soo awful. Half time broken, half time barely alive. Meanwhile 30 year old regular bus arent even in its halflife, and i will see it for decades to come...unless some corrupt asshole decide that we should scrap everything and get more overpriced garbage, instead of repairing decades old tram rails that were repaired last time when ussr was still around.

[@GeoStreber]

The problem isn't that they're electric. BMW is doing the same shit on their cars with internal combustion engines. My next one will be electric, that's for sure, because they're overall way less maintenance intensive. Maintenance cycle for the VW ID.3 for example is 2 years, which is the same schedule as the safety check.

[@scrittle]

Just wait until they void your warranty

[@user2C47]

Unfortunately, this trend has nothing to do with the powertrain. They're putting it everywhere. The only solution is to buy a car made prior to 2010.

[@nojuanatall3281]

So wait out the warranty. Once a tesla has 100k miles it probably is only worth half it was when you bought it, if that.

[@Evanski]

The first time I heard of "jailbreaking" my friend made my iphone do some cool new stuff and download apps for free, The idea that you need to jailbreak your car is insane

[@RyuuOujiXS]

Need? You're too stupid to keep alive.

[@imstupidbut]

jail breaking iphones isn’t even really that useful anymore because apple listens to what consumers want

[@byrnc927]

Love the Tesla center screen for nearly all vehicle functions. Love the way you have to take your eyes off the road to do everything.

[@Stambo59]

I know right, my old 1996 Toyota has a temperature lever for the AC, I can adjust the temperature to exactly where I want it without looking. My more modern 2008 Toyota has a soft rocker switch to adjust the temperature up and down. I have to take my eyes off the road and look at a digital display to know what temp I select. Progress right?

[@233kosta]

Now's the time to get into custom firmware and hardware for Teslas and farm equipment. John Deere comes to mind.

[@LostInAutism]

It may be *impossible* to fix, but it's more than likely that it'll be possible to *detect* and add mitigations to force you to undo the jailbreak or force you out of your car all together. Unless you disconnect from skynet(or whatever tesla calls their cloud DRM) by blocking traffic, this is something we'll see play out in a court room eventually.

[@emptydata-xf7ps]

You could hack the hardware components undetected pretty easily by just putting it on its own circuit. Just add a separated fuse box, connect the components and buttons to that fuse box and you’re done.

[@hugegamer5988]

Or just remote brick the car forever. Because safety somehow.

[@fss1704]

I don't think you get what undetectable means here, or unpatchable.

[@TheChemisch]

The fix would be any car not attached to the network for X hours would disable itself which would probably violate some laws. Even then it glitching isnt a consumer friendly method. It would make more sense to pre-glitch or create custom swapable hardware, but that would be patent infringement i'm sure.

[@hugegamer5988]

Detection isn’t impossible, it’s trivial. Remote patching may be impossible but bricking the car is not. @@fss1704

[@ElJosher]

I still find it wild that cars now have “in disk paid dlc” 😂😔

[@saxoman1]

Exactly my thought! "DLC" subscription services are BS

[@michaeljamesm]

can’t wait for the car battle pass where I have to drive more in a 3 month season to unlock more features and colours

[@Sheriff_McPants]

As a car guy, I don't personally hate the idea of cars having computers. They make them more efficient, more powerful, and safer. What I HATE though is when shit like this happens. The whole DRM issue as well as being able to tune your own vehicle is a colossal pain in the ass.

[@OldTownCrab]

They need to put these jailbreaks in flash tuners

[@reformedartist8528]

I really love that I can't update my car's tech cause if I do the manufacture's update, it will upgrade it to the new firmware that will lock the ecu in the car.

[@agamersinsanity]

your car would never be safe, and at the end of the day it will be unusable once the hardware goes to poo.

[@99domini99]

I don’t hate computers being in cars, I hate that it’s megacorps that are putting those computers in cars because megacorps’s sole purpose of existence is to drain as much as possible money from people’s pockets and to create an as dystopian as possible future. I wish the heated seats were like the ones in my two decade old shitbox. Just a button connected to a relay, which is connected to the coils in the seats. Got two power settings and that’s it.

[@Huss_171]

Just pay the original price and get it unlocked completely how it used to be if you buy something. Not a big deal, people just make a scene cause they don't understand it lol

[@hoffedemann5370]

Jailbreaks being detectable after every update sounds familiar to me. Nintendo Products and Homebrew Custom Firmware always adapt to eachother. But because the homebrew community is so big, they always win in the long run

[@7Mindovermatter1]

This is just a start , imagine when evil dudes start making Crash malware for these giant Rc cars (gets your self driving brick to high speeds and crashes it ) i will never trust a car that i don’t fully control ...

[@thahrimdon]

Buying a '99 Z3 really put into perspective just how much things have taken a turn for the worse. The retractable top and turn signals were roughly the extent of the technology in it. Crazy to think we're already in the era where we can say "remember when cars used to be cars?"...

[@martso9288]

I'm thinking of buying a TVR Chimaera or a Z4 from the early 2000's. My heart says Chimaera, bc v8, my brain says Z4 because BMW and part availability.

[@mattploij2673]

i had a '97 Z3, best thing about it was the manual roof... so much stuff to not go wrong with the damn top

[@Studio-IV]

⁠@@martso9288 do you know how cool you’d be if you got the TVR? You better get that

[@martso9288]

@@Studio-IV yeah, methinks i'll follow my heart on that. hopefully i'll find one with the chassis replaced, because the factory chassis are very prone to rust.

[@thisisthestuffgaming8202]

1996 toyota camry here - cruise control, power steering, mirrors, locks, windows, and a surprisingly good-sounding speaker set.... plus a cassette player! and i can (and have) performed even fairly complex repairs on it, without having any fuss from an angry computer. that's the best part - no fussy nanny computers to tell you that what you're doing is 'against warranty' (warranties are written to never be usable anyway..) or some shit!

[@dennisp8520]

I can easily see a future where companies start charging a subscription for basic safety features like airbags to work. I can also see a future of people hacking these jail broken vehicles to either stalk or kill somebody. Honestly with how messed up our society is I’m surprised their isn’t a medical company out there charging a subscription for pacemakers or something to work

[@pacevy3798]

Don't give em ideas

[@TheUndeadslayer221]

This has technically already been done, but with an airbag for motorcycles (if I remember right). It's a $400 motorcycle airbag vest.

[@kahlzun]

it would be entirely possible to hack someones car and control any of the features that are managed by a computer. Difficult (especially remotely), but doable.

[@thingsender]

America the freest and definitely functioning country of the all

[@LRM12o8]

Has already been done a few years ago. Your imagination is lagging behind 😢

[@Jia-Tan]

Using this, you should be able to download beta FSD versions as far as I can tell. Interesting times to come...

[@ThisIsMaddock]

Depends, they might be account-locked. Maybe someone with FSD Beta is willing to share the update files? 👀

[@hugegamer5988]

I wouldn’t let fsd pilot my car if I was paid. It drives only slightly better than a distracted teen on her phone during a snowstorm.

[@reahs4815]

@@hugegamer5988 if you believe so boomer, maybe take a look at the product before spewing bullshit

[@youtubesucks8024]

@@hugegamer5988so better than only 99% of California drivers you mean? 🤣

[@233kosta]

Here's the thing, right, it might take more work, but there's nothing Tesla can do to prevent me or other inginerds from fully reverse engineering the important control systems and releasing FOSS firmware, perhaps replacement hardware too.

[@YermakTheTrainEngineer]

I was today years old that i learned that all of the CPUs come with some sort of a RootKit backdoor built in. when i reach somewhere stable in my life i will switch all my computers to open source RISC (probably arm) structure. Dont know what to do with my mobile phone though

[@wilh3lmmusic]

RISC-V is better than ARM

[@skrundz]

Nice! Used to be a big fan of Tesla, but locking hardware that’s already installed behind software is too much for me. I just hope the jailbreaks patch the vulnerabilities they exploit

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Its industry standart sadly. Hope it will end soon, all these components are probably cheaper then half of year of subscription.

[@Utrilus]

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Tesla standardized it, Elon Musk can do no wrong. As far as I know. And just like with the no charger thing, the moment Apple got away with it everyone else jumped onto the bandwagon.

[@solvdev]

@@Utrilusno charger is noooowhere near as bad as this. Yeah it’s not amazing and defo corporate greed but it doesn’t stop you from e.g using the telephoto or 120hz screen of your iPhone 14 pro…

[@dmywololowol]

@@solvdev Yeah, repairing your expensive iPhone 14 Pro will do that and much more. Thanks Apple.

[@PurrincessDiana]

This will always work. We will always find a way to "jailbreak" our cars

[@socialhostage8534]

I don't want to jailbreak my car. I want to drive it without hassle and get what I paid for.

[@1495978707]

@@socialhostage8534Write and call your representatives aggressively then. Tell everyone you know. If that’s really how you feel, do something about it

[@1495978707]

Even if the hardware is somehow fixed in future versions, eventually there will be enough pressure for people to work on an open source alternative, similar to what we have for quadcopters and the like, so that people can just trash their compromised hardware and put hardware in that will do as the user asks

[@neoasura]

@@socialhostage8534 Then you need to by a 1971 Dodge Challenger.

[@logitech4873]

@@neoasura It's expensive to import old foreign cars like that

[@yomurita]

This is why I drive a 90's carburated car. No ECU or computers, no problems.

[@NicoKyunKyun]

i can't think any carburated car having any engine except V8 or maybe old rotaries, i'd rather use aftermarket ecu

[@yomurita]

@@NicoKyunKyun I got the Toyota 2E engine on a Toyota EE90.

[@davidforde4020]

All older european and British cars were carburetted too. I4 I6 V4 V6 V12 etc@@NicoKyunKyun

[@kevinmiller5467]

@@acmhfmggru People are very routinely horrifically burned by radiators.

[@varsityathlete9927]

@@kevinmiller5467 youtube comments also routinely burn people.

[@DixyJane-v7j]

Imagine if your house had an AC subscription.

[@geennaam8029]

Well you have a water and electricity bill that’s basically a subscription to your house

[@jandraelune1]

DRM when used in a way to force paying to unlock an already given feature is a violation of law under AntiTrust called ' Rent-Seeking ', this is one of the most widely violated law by many companies.

[@Cainite]

Wait till they implement this into rent-homes. So you have to pay rent and all the utilities but you have to buy a subscription from your landlord to turn on the heat or the water or power.

[@FoxWolfWorld]

That’s why they want everything you use to be electric. An easy way to cut you off when your social credit score drops below an acceptable level

[@gd44481]

Oh my god dont give them ideas

[@jjhack3r]

It’s already that way... more or less

[@fiethsing9988]

So... it's the same as now? A lot of places already turn off your gas, electricity and water automatically if you don't pay.

[@TheAtqthe30th]

​@@fiethsing9988that's crazy to hear. I live in a cold climate and there are laws that prohibit cutting off gas/electricity during the winter months (does not apply to water). It's for safety concerns mainly(freezing to death, property damage). If failure to pay bills then the utility company may put a lien of the house depending on the circumstances if all other matters of collection fail.

[@Woodywoodah]

I'm hoping that a bigger jail-breaking and modding community grows around the Tesla Model 3 once the fleet gets older and warranties end. Unfortunately, doing any of this stuff right now means you can't have your car serviced by Tesla anymore, and there aren't many 3rd party repair or part options either. The whole business model is insidious, and I would never buy another vehicle from Tesla.

[@richardcoughlin8931]

What, is it possible that Lord Elon does not have the best interests of fanboys at heart?

[@TheWutangclan1995]

Sadly this is ultimately what happens when we don’t fight back.

[@the_expidition427]

This is the people fighting back

[@ZACKMAN2007]

I think people are starting to wake up

[@elcidleon6500]

Right-wing Revolutions work

[@Dayanto]

Console DRM at least justified itself on the basis of restricting your access to _other_ people's property. Things like car DRM on the other hand are basically just a giant middle finger to the entire concept of personal property ownership.

[@msromike123]

I am not sure unlocking DRM features in a car you own will always remain legal. All the manufacturer has to say is that hacking the software will make self driving features unsafe. Voila, against the law! Never underestimate the corporatocracy, and more importantly the apathy of the average consumer. "It's $20 a month, darn it. OK, here's my credit card."

[@Maebbie]

you can jailbreak a car but you still cant jailbreak a quest vr headset

[@tylerdean980]

the reward is much higher than a niche market like VR headsets.

[@BooleanDev]

tesla is paying a lot to these researchers for exploits

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@BooleanDev So they can discover that everything they build and will be build will be hacked in same day as it become available and there is no way to fix it. Pretty amazing if you ask me, time for them to receive denuvo treatment.

[@iphoneawesome123]

I mean we can sideload. It still is an android system.

[@Bobo-ox7fj]

Nobody cares about VR

[@megamix5403]

Welp, this is the closest thing we have to downloading a car.

[@backgroundartist1879]

3d printers my dude

[@megamix5403]

@@backgroundartist1879 Touche

[@randombleachfan]

@@backgroundartist1879wouldn’t that take a long time considering how long it takes to make a car physically?

[@fikrirahmatnurhidayat4988]

Now, can Elon Musk jailbreak the cage during his cage fight with Zuck?

[@jhonbus]

😂 He'd better hope so, he's going to get his ass handed to him.

[@stopcensoringmen5044]

Time to start hacking the system like Watch Dogs.

[@beholdenpie]

Monthly subscriptions on a car 💀 what world am i living in

[@salomon7k]

AMD is kind of goated for all the exploits on their chips cause like it opens up homebrew for so many platforms which is very AWESOME

[@user2C47]

...until someone's remotely executing arbitrary code on your device. Then you'd better hope that they bothered to include failsafes against a rogue actor on the CANBUS.

[@wrth]

these are vulnerabilities for a reason. they can be used for hacking (the bad kind). homebrew/jailbreak is just one of the ways it can be exploited. better hope nobody hacks your Tesla and runs off with it.

[@kkrolik2106]

Any platform can be defeat with physical access and proper equipment.

[@nwerd7584]

@@wrth only figs own teslas, so fuck em

[@993mike]

Lol - another reason I’m glad i build my gaming PC’s with Intel CPU’s!

[@TheFrantic5]

I think the telling issue with Tesla is when they're involved in some sort of accident or incident and when someone makes a claim or accusation about the Tesla Elon just responds on twitter with "I checked the brake sensor data and that didnt happen" or "The footage from the dash cam disproves that." Like bruh what?

[@lucastrever]

Could you maybe talk some more on the AMD Secure Chip, or refer to some literature? I just heard of this for the first time, but this seems to be quite a profound problem for security and privacy

[@that_is_not_me]

36C3 - Uncover, Understand, Own - Regaining Control Over Your AMD CPU

[@Sombre____]

I think he already made a video about it in a old video.

[@sigmamale4147]

There is also the equivalent intel me

[@krozareq]

Forget it exists. Just a way for glowies to snoop. Nothing to see here, folks.

[@1495978707]

@@krozareqWell I mean there’s always going to be something, whether we’re aware of it or not. What are you going to do with your knowledge of the Intel ME? Network isolate anything secure? What are you going to do that requires knowing what specific built in backdoor is present?

[@BigAndy229]

If you buy the car, its yours. Jailbreaking is just modifying them. Same as putting new wheels on the car

[@Larry]

The whole John Deere debate about not allowing farmers to fix their own tractors because of DRM is eeriely similar.

[@NativeVsColonial]

Imagine you are buying a electric car simply to save money on inflated gas prices, and then they force you pay for virtual gas topups 💀

[@hackman669]

California in a nutshell.

[@vincei4252]

It warms my cold dead heart that these attack vectors are these management engine black boxes. muahahahaha.

[@TheAlexDeFocExperience]

There is always a loophole to a software thay is designed around hardware instead the opposite, such that no one (idk about robots) can fully cover fully hardware, with the software. But if go the reverse way, you cover all the holes but you will be limited by what you started with and no room for new features.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Both have its place. Some machines are actually dont need any new features.

[@2ar2betrY]

Yes in theory. But not in practice. Since in the so-called airtight systems. They found ways of infecting the computer system, either remotely or by attaching a USB stick or such into the computers. And let's not forget about the cosmic radiation. That is making the CPU miscalculating. Which also brings down the system. The best way is just to skip tech completely. And he said, putting computers in cars is one of the most stupid things we could have done.

[@TheAlexDeFocExperience]

@@2ar2betrY skipping tech and going to do the pure mechanics part of the car nice :))

[@TheAlexDeFocExperience]

@@2ar2betrY sometimes companies make changes for the sake of change and potential income

[@thomasslone1964]

Dude be quiet.....

[@TheDarkestPhoenix]

I hope this goes public because i was talking about that a bit ago, that i wasn't too happy about how the tesla cars just record 24/7 and i don't think there is a way to opt out.

[@johnlemon2579]

Man, who would have thought that 15 years after jailbreaking iPods and iPhones, people would have to jailbreak cars...

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

One more example of DRM lock is inside NVIDIA cards - they refuse to load open source firmware _(firmware should be loaded every time OS loads, this is how lots of modern hardware works)_ , which can be used to unlock features locked by manufacturer.

[@-Bill.]

Of course, it's not open source. Every chip manufacturer has to protect the microcode as you could use it to bypass any security measures, which would make computer security utterly impossible.

[@rubilia7567]

I really doubt any company will go away from using drms. They gain way more from all those people who pay subscription fees than they lose from a handful of enthusiasts jailbreaking their vehicles

[@travis5732]

It this case, probably it will literally be a handful of people. 😂

[@Utrilus]

The only way they get stopped is if the governments help the people out and do what is good for the people. Cause certainly the people ain't, they're gullible idiots - as games have proved over the decades in regard to subscriptions and 'micro' transactions.

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

I hate this reality that we live in, what a nightmare it is.

[@TheDrownjrDrown]

capitalism. how else are these poor tiny companies gonna keep making record breaking profits every year

[@nerelada3963]

It is going to get worse, I promise.

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

@@nerelada3963 Yeah, I know.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@nerelada3963 Dont forget, its never too late. They feed on you and everyone else, because you let them, not the other way around.

[@krozareq]

Black Mirror is a how-to for corporations and governments.

[@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world]

If you were to tell me this back when i was at school somewhere around the 2000's or 2010's, that in order to use cars in the future you have to pay up some sort of "premium, ultra VIP, 100% luxury" package or else not have your car run at all, i'd be pretty skeptical. I mean, that's just ridiculous to even think about. Imagine needing to pay up an "subscription package" to use your car. And now, this happens. You know you reached a orwellian dystopian nightmare, when in order to use your car you got to pay up for a subscription. This is why i hate electric cars. Always hated those. The idea of placing one computer that has access to everything on your car, including the most critical parts like the steering wheel, acceleration, clutch and the brakes, is not only absurd, but dangerous. Because as we all know: anything digital IS hackable. Props to them for finding us a way to fight back the oppressive DRM regime, however, it is absurd that we've come to this where your car is now DRM. what's next, DRM house? Or even worse: DRM humans? Imagine needing to find a way to jailbreak the DRM in order to breath properly. Well, that's something people will have to think about once the beast system is online. Pay up the "existence+" "premium" package, or die instantly, jailbreak it, or, outright refuse ANY RFID BS nonsense into your body.

[@Lupinicus1664]

IBM were building their mainframes in the 1980s that had features costing several hundred thousand dollars (in 80s money) present but disabled. Nothing new under the sun. (and situations like the AMD-SP hardware-based 'threats' have been anticipated for a while now, hence a trend to use slightly older or 'hardware-known' laptops etc. not a long term fix but will probably do for now...)

[@gravityawsome]

They may actually just help them improve their security since they get all the data from every jailbreak that happens.

[@TheAtqthe30th]

I wouldn't be surprised if the jailbreaks will disable auto updates and telemetry gathering. I wouldn't be against that to be honest. Manually choosing updates would be nice. Autopilot/maps though would interesting if it blocks it.

[@HobkinBoi]

Depends on the jailbreak, if it's completely hardware based like say, the OG switch for example, no software patch will be able to fix it, or possibly even be detected. Especially if modified software is loaded that takes out that telemetry.

[@maiyannah]

Make no mistake, part of the push about electric cars is to obsolete cars that dont have this shit.

[@matinprsd]

Dude I'm laughing my ass off at your top-tier choice of footage selection in this vid, especially that old-timer dude

[@R3TR0R4V3]

Popcorn Sutton! A infamous bootlegger/Moonshiner 😎

[@SirCatWaffel]

Gib me thumbs I'm a truck driver. New trucks have DEF systems. Diesel exhaust fluid. You have to use def to use the truck. If you run out, it will actually decrease the speed you can go to force you to stop. A way to get around this... Unplug the speed sensor from the transmission. Boom 💥 you can go full speed to your next destination. I wanted to share this because it's the funniest thing ever. The fact how computerized trucks are now, in order to bypass systems you just simply unplug something.

[@pehclark7256]

🤣🤣🤣This reminded me of Richard Stallman Views on cloud computing🤣🤣🤣 pretty accurate so far. Louis Rossman is also right on this issues too. At least avoid MS azure if possible.

[@SimGunther]

To the last point, no company would just go back to the "archaic days" of low tech/almost no tech version of their products unless they make it part of the culture and admit defeat in their "war on total and utter control over their own products"

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Well...its mean our black flag friends still have a lot of work to do.

[@j.k.4479]

Actually, in 2020 some printer manufacturers couldn't get microchips for their ink cartridges and so they told some people how to disable the DRM on their printers. If China decides to invade Taiwan there will be a massive chip shortage and you'll see many of the chips that control DRM to be skipped over in new products.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

That company would be Canon..

[@the_expidition427]

Retail HP printers are now required to be internet connected

[@brypleb5792]

can you make a video about google's Web Environment Integrity proposal?

[@AgamemnonTWC]

As a guy who drives a car made in the '80s right now, I'm just as floored.

[@carpo719]

Right on! Ya got one that escaped "cash for clunkers " 😂

[@tornmap4385]

I got a 1953 corvette I drive daily

[@TF2Scout..]

I drive a 1991 Lada

[@msromike123]

Don't think for a minute that these multi billion dollar and trillion dollar companies don't have lobbying plans to make hacking their vehicles impossible/illegal. They are not really worried about making it to where only 0.00001% of car owners are able to hack their car. It'll just make it easier to prosecute them since they will be so few and far between. Sure it's a cat and mouse game, but the cat keeps getting relatively stronger each year. The mouse doesn't have billions of dollars to research how to defeat the cat. The minute a cheap and affordable quantum DRM VM chip becomes available, game over.

[@RobbyTicknor]

So this "hack" requires voltage fault injection.... so you'd need to get physically into the car, then you'd need to disconnect the car computer from the liquid cooling loop, remove it from the car and remove the liquid cooling block to expose the cpu, then you'd need an external power station and car emulator to do the hack. Then is the hack persistent? If you power cycle the computer to put it back in the car, will the hack still be persist, or was it in resident memory of the ASP? Then it sounds like it's only for the MCU, and not the car control systems. So will be interesting to see if anyone can actually pull this off

[@johnnyhellfire6]

We need more of this, in full force, and made for free for everyone. This needs to be hacked to death to send a message. For everyone on here proclaiming they hate this, I got a question for you. What ya gonna do about it, ya little girls!?!?

[@socialhostage8534]

Probably over the air update... Zen 3 already has a patched firmware update.

[@johnnyhellfire6]

@@socialhostage8534 so you choose submission, I see

[@johnstamos5948]

on disc dlc for a car is insane

[@HaggisMuncher-69-420]

The only upside to this is because the car has all the hardware, that means you can buy the base model, jailbreak and have all the features.

[@DanielBulyovcsity]

I'm all in to buy the cheapest option of a car selection and jailbreak it to full spec. Maybe it will show them what owning something means.

[@JasonHenderson]

The reason game consoles have DRM is so that publishers will put their games on that console. Look up the Sega Dreamcast, a console that literally died because you could just take the game disc and copy it in your computer, then share it with all your friends. They didn't sell any games, developers and publishers didn't make games for it because why bother and the console went out of existence.

[@morkzorckerborg5000]

im honestly surprised it took this long to publicly jailbreak these cars, id imagine it had been done for years, i guess people don't want the biggest lawyer teams in the world after them

[@nobody.watchin]

Excellent news, buying a used tesla might be worth it now lol

[@mikebell2112]

The first step that gets you in is a hardware issue. Most any secure processor will have this vulnerability. Glitch voltage into chip for x amount of time.

[@Huss_171]

This whole vid is nonsense. You will not pay for your seatheating if you buy the car. Instead you pay a membership allowing you to save money during summer when you don't need it. Or you pay the original price and unlock everything without membership. But good luck with jailbreaking the car getting in a lawsuit worst case against a billion dollar company

[@Homiloko2]

It's not a free upgrade, you have already paid for the hardware. It's just bypassing immoral software locks.

[@dolcelattice4958]

No matter how hard they try, they can't stop us now.

[@msw7021]

We're the renegades of this atomic age

[@casualgamers3369]

That part when you said that people don't know it isn't supposed to work this way relates to me hard. When I was a kid I thought you had to have the disk in when playing a PC game because I thought the computer was reading data off of the disk while running. When someone showed me you can bypass it to run without the disk I was blown away.

[@kittyplasma]

I noticed too! With some games, if I took the disc out while the game was running, it kept running! I was so used to consoles constantly needing the disc in there that it never occurred to me that it could just want it as a "key"

[@jublywubly]

That is how games used to be. Originally they only loaded up in RAM, instead of being installed. Later parts of the games were installed, but other parts weren't, to save installation space and to load the installed parts more quickly as they were needed. Many games have an option to do a full installation or a partial installation, to also save storage space.

[@vigilantmug5028]

At this point an industry of jail breaking is gonna start flourishing like it did for the xbox 360 times

[@benjaminRhodesLEGO]

lol wdym even in the 80's?? XD ask someone from 2010 and they'll be like WHAT THE HEAK?!?!

[@swgclips03]

I still don't understand why people choose to buy cars like this, when there is much better secondhand options available, anything made in the 2000s back to the 80s is usually a better option as long as it's in good shape, same features but better quality and looks.

[@brianjoelbasualdo7436]

I love how when you pay the car, you pay for all it's components, as it wouldn't be rentable for Tesla not to charge for the entirety of the car. Since if it's clients didn't pay the monthly fee, they'd be basically gifting them a part of the car for free. And of course, no business would like free loses. So basically you are paying for the entirety of the car, but not getting all the functions the car has. So basically, this is a scam.

[@HNedel]

Wrong, having different hardware configurations costs them more money than the additional cost of hardware, unless it is FSD. Or at the very least, it is comparable but much simpler and faster. I guess you would rather have only the options you paid for and nothing else, and still pay the same money as when you or the next owner has the ability to unlock some feature in the future.

[@rohithdsouza8]

Now if this applies to future cars as well, that would be epic 😎

[@davitdavid7165]

The problem a lot of boomers and amti-,tech people miss is that the main problem with tech is the way it is implemented. This is a perfect example of what happens, when an objectively good tech is combined with corporate greed

[@dogbots159]

9:46 quick note that there are many reasons an owner would still want it. They mostly relate to automations with conditioning/charging/security features. Your point still stands but just want to point out that it’s more than just “find the car” or navigation. Regardless, glad to see a jailbreak for a car. Root life!