MENTATS (Bio-Computers of DUNE) EXPLAINED

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Hey guys what’s happening? Niyat here with film comics explained. As requested, today we’ll be exploring The Mentat’s as featured in Frank Herberts expansive Dune universe.
Mentats are essentially humans trained to possess computer-like logic and computational ability following the Butlerian Jihad.
The name "Mentat" is derived from mentis, meaning "of the mind" in Latin.
The founder of the Order of Mentats, Gilbertus Albans, a logician and philosopher of interstellar repute, coined the term to refer to those fully trained and proficient in the techniques he prescribed.
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@brianquint6126
@brianquint6126 Жыл бұрын
I love how insane and human the Dune universe is. Robots bad, drugs good.
@n20apollo
@n20apollo Жыл бұрын
Well in a world where humanity could go extinct bc of ai it's make a lot of sense
@hasturthekinginyellow5003
@hasturthekinginyellow5003 Жыл бұрын
Absurd amounts of drugs ≠ Death Absurd amounts of drugs ≈ Godhood
@Kaldortangerine
@Kaldortangerine Жыл бұрын
you should get into the next biggest story that kinda rides that weirdness. warhammer 40k
@brose2323
@brose2323 Жыл бұрын
Sounds familiar.
@Kaldortangerine
@Kaldortangerine Жыл бұрын
@@brose2323 it should... its just dune with more drama
@rangodeldiablo
@rangodeldiablo Жыл бұрын
I find the concepts of mentats fascinating. They are living embodiments of what Dune is: a story where Humanity focused on advancing themselves, rather than technology.
@Frommerman
@Frommerman Жыл бұрын
And by advancing themselves, what did they get? Galactic feudalism. All power and resources directed into the hands of a rounding error of humanity. Unique indigenous cultures stamped out or used as labor until one of them created an emperor of their own to do it all over again. They advanced nothing.
@Fu3g0.100
@Fu3g0.100 Жыл бұрын
Dude thats what I love about Dune, even the fashion is evolved to fit scenarios and such. Its honestly such a meaningful lifestyle
@changsangma1915
@changsangma1915 Жыл бұрын
In the movie Lucy, Morgan Freeman is shown at a scientific conference saying "we humans are concerned of having, than being" after showing example of Dolphins having naturally developed Sonar detectors in the brain.
@ramoraid
@ramoraid Жыл бұрын
They only focused on human advancement once the machines tried to take over.
@jean-michelmead7512
@jean-michelmead7512 Жыл бұрын
@Hughmen agreed. If it wasn't for the Butlerian jihad, they would have continued with better and better AI. Would have been interesting seeing a Fremen with presience vs an AI...
@shaquiberaihan6212
@shaquiberaihan6212 Жыл бұрын
Effects: +2 Intelligence for 4 minutes +2 Perception for 4 minutes +1 Charisma for 4 minutes
@Blowtorch87
@Blowtorch87 8 ай бұрын
A fellow fallout fan I see
@nathanhall4156
@nathanhall4156 5 ай бұрын
I appreciate your reference. I prefer: +2 Intelligence for 1 hour +2 Wisdom for 1 hour +1 Charisma for 1 hour Make a constitution saving throw DC 12. On a failed saved, you become addicted.
@smoothburrito
@smoothburrito 4 ай бұрын
+3 Luck +3 Charisma -2 Strength "Grooovyyy...."
@justanobadi6655
@justanobadi6655 Ай бұрын
​@@smoothburritoI only used day tripper to convince Dr. Li to rejoin the brotherhood. Imagine that conversation. "Look, man, I knoooow that you're upset at the brotherhood, but it would be reeeaaally cool if you came back and built the giant robot. Positively tubular, bro"
@rikiorikio9368
@rikiorikio9368 18 күн бұрын
You forgot the % of chance of addiction
@Dennis_Reynolds_Golden_God
@Dennis_Reynolds_Golden_God Жыл бұрын
I loved the way they showed their eyes kind of rolling back when they're making their calculations. Same as this interpretation of the voice, both were done really well.
@KlaxontheImpailr
@KlaxontheImpailr Жыл бұрын
Me too, it’s a subtle but uneasy way to show that something is going on in that head.
@CGhee135
@CGhee135 Жыл бұрын
I did miss the red lips
@Dennis_Reynolds_Golden_God
@Dennis_Reynolds_Golden_God Жыл бұрын
@@CGhee135 I miss Thufirs cat 🐈
@krishneelprasad2140
@krishneelprasad2140 Жыл бұрын
Would've rather had spinning hour glass icon in eyes but what they did was cool too 😁
@oroboros88
@oroboros88 Жыл бұрын
@@hibbidyjibbidyyhave you heard of Miles Teg?
@christopherleubner6633
@christopherleubner6633 2 ай бұрын
A student in my class at college was a human calculator and could do algebra in his head nearly as fast as you could type it in one of those fancy graphing calculators. Several years later the guy got tested as to how he was able to do math so quickly. It turned out that he had an abnormal connection in brain wiring that was using the motor coodination area to do the math. It also explained why he was a bit clumbsy on one side of his body and was diagnosed with cerebral palsy as well. This idea of the mentats is totally plausible.
@Chad-Giga.
@Chad-Giga. 2 ай бұрын
I believe anybody good at math or stem is autistic
@vincentadultman6226
@vincentadultman6226 2 ай бұрын
Tbf we do have human computers, and people like John Von Neumann could pass off as mentats (He's the father of computer science). Your friend sounds like much the same, I hope he did well eventually
@nurrizqyuzain9488
@nurrizqyuzain9488 Ай бұрын
he has a great gift and a greater weakness, that is both saddening and fascinating
@Chad-Giga.
@Chad-Giga. Ай бұрын
I have noticed all math geniuses are badly coordinated
@user-ow2yr4nu4z
@user-ow2yr4nu4z Ай бұрын
Really interesting. I think when they roll their eyes back it'd them shutting off vision to take that part of the brain and use it to compute instead of process visual data. I almost died as a child from spinal menegitus and I've noticed a few things. I have a speech impediment and have to concentrate to keep it from showing but if I allow it and don't control it my mind functions at a very high level.
@12enriq
@12enriq Жыл бұрын
A society without computer and instead use humans like computers is such a cool concept.
@sertank735
@sertank735 Жыл бұрын
*computers
@GODCONVOYPRIME
@GODCONVOYPRIME Жыл бұрын
So it's just a bunch of guys larping they're computers?
@reyluna0
@reyluna0 Жыл бұрын
That's what we did back in the days before modern computers
@sidharthcs2110
@sidharthcs2110 Жыл бұрын
We used to do that
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 Жыл бұрын
Computer used to refer to the people doing Computations before Modern Computers were a thing. They came full circle.
@--INDIGO--
@--INDIGO-- Жыл бұрын
If there was one thing wrong with Dune’s (2021) portrayal of mentats, it’s that we hardly got to see how they work and are used by the various Houses in their never ending schemes to rise to the top.
@Infamous1892
@Infamous1892 Жыл бұрын
I think Denis Villeneuve wanted to add them more, but the movie was already long enough. He said he'd focus more on them in the sequel.
@--INDIGO--
@--INDIGO-- Жыл бұрын
@@Infamous1892 I’ve heard the same and I understand. Still, I want more mentats and more Gurney Halleck next time
@Infamous1892
@Infamous1892 Жыл бұрын
@@--INDIGO-- I believe Villeneuve is the best person for this job, and will deliver.
@rangodeldiablo
@rangodeldiablo Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure we will see a lot more of the Mentats and have them explained in greater detail as the other movies come out. The first movie was clearly meant to set everything up.
@logankowalyk2580
@logankowalyk2580 Жыл бұрын
It's the first movie and they weren't an important part of it. We'll see more later
@njoYYY
@njoYYY Жыл бұрын
The fact that there is no AI or computers in general makes Dune such a fantastic sci fi series. It feels so much more rough
@augustcanyon3438
@augustcanyon3438 11 ай бұрын
more realistic
@kashutosh9132
@kashutosh9132 9 ай бұрын
​@@augustcanyon3438😂 Meet the manworm who has eaten sand rich food
@cinifiend
@cinifiend 6 ай бұрын
Warhammer 40k universe has the same thing, humanity had a war against AI and eventually banned it, although I suspect this part of the lore was heavily inspired by Dune as were many other things in 40k.
@augustuslunasol10thapostle
@augustuslunasol10thapostle 4 ай бұрын
@@cinifiend 40k has computers and very very rudimentary AI fucking cawl inferior is a AI
@nicholasbrown668
@nicholasbrown668 3 ай бұрын
​​​​@@cinifiendAI isn't banned in 40k, it's heavily limited almost every piece of machinery within the Imperium has some form of AI, they just call them "Machine Spirits" Imperial vehicles have gone on fighting even when their human Crews have long since died. Oh and every Titan and Knight also has a full fledged AI that pilots have to connect with in order to pilot their machines, same with ships, ship masters often describe a ships "thoughts" and emotions and Titan pilots have actually been driven insane by their AI or just have their consciousness subsumed by the AI
@Infamous1892
@Infamous1892 Жыл бұрын
Dune Lore is so ahead of it's time. That great AI purge, the expansion beyond earth, the way the galaxy functions. You can see the inspiration for Star Wars and The Matrix.
@jeremysears4263
@jeremysears4263 Жыл бұрын
And , if possible, the future of human kind...
@stingerjohnny9951
@stingerjohnny9951 Жыл бұрын
@@jeremysears4263 With the way we are, I think we’d be more like 40k. An off brand parody of the Dune concept that leads to endless conflict and unwarranted hatred. (For the record, I like 40k lore, but it is NOT a happy future for humans.)
@Infamous1892
@Infamous1892 Жыл бұрын
@@jeremysears4263 now that scares me. I've read too many sci fi horror books.
@Armendicus
@Armendicus Жыл бұрын
@@stingerjohnny9951ep cept there won’t be any cool chaos gods n space monsters. Only crazy ass ethno statists , space cults , space nazis , space commies and space jihadist/fascists with trillionaires pedos pullin strings left and right . Oh forgot to mention space chatel slavery.
@DoremiFasolatido1979
@DoremiFasolatido1979 Жыл бұрын
Dune is enjoyable enough in most ways...but seriously...nothing about it was "ahead of its time". Most of it was a deeply flawed interpretation of everything it references technologically and sociologically, as a result of the fact that they knew practically fucking nothing about any of the relevant topics at the time it was written (not that they know much now, either).
@enilenis
@enilenis Жыл бұрын
"It is caffeine alone that sets my mind in motion. It is through beans of java that thoughts acquire speed, that hands acquire shakes, that shakes become a warning." - An old internet meme.
@michaelstone7514
@michaelstone7514 Жыл бұрын
Well said!! Very clever!!!
@Josh-rn1em
@Josh-rn1em Жыл бұрын
😆😆🤣
@albertamalachi3560
@albertamalachi3560 Жыл бұрын
I mean, Dune spice is literally just cinnamon coffee grinds. The idea that spice came from sandworms was inspired from how the most expensive coffee is literally collected from weasel poop Weirdly enough. Sure, sure. Spice is also something like an expy for Oil dependency, but now you know where the idea came from.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 Жыл бұрын
@@albertamalachi3560 Spice in Dune is a not-very-subtle stand in for oil. - It comes from a desert planet. - ... populated by people with an Arabic-influenced language. - It is essential for all galactic transport and thus civilisation to function. - A distant superpower conquered this region by force to secure a supply of the spice. - Though several houses will fight over the lucrative spice trade, they all recognise that the spice extraction industry must always continue, even in the midst of war - because if the spice doesn't flow, the Emperor is going to have to step in with his overwhelming force. Yep, it's oil.
@humboldthammer
@humboldthammer Жыл бұрын
And thus began the Industrial Revolution. FEMA = Fentanyl Euphoria for the MAsses Inspired by Huxley's SOMA for a Brave New World Order We're all Happy Campers -- so don't worry about us.
@evilemperorzurg9615
@evilemperorzurg9615 Жыл бұрын
I like to say that Dune is the grandfather of the space fantasy genre. It heavily inspired both Star Wars and Warhammer 40K which went on to inspire just about everything else.
@maggs131
@maggs131 Жыл бұрын
If Frank Herbert is a sci fi grandfather then Arthur c clarke would be it's great grandfather starting in the 40s or maybe HP lovecraft is having his start in the 20s but his brand of sci fi isn't quite the same lol
@maggs131
@maggs131 Жыл бұрын
@A R yup, its amazing to think of the actual origins of the stories we enjoy today
@darksaberwolf1175
@darksaberwolf1175 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget it also inspired rts games like command and conquer and starcraft
@evilemperorzurg9615
@evilemperorzurg9615 Жыл бұрын
@@darksaberwolf1175 I agree but I think StarCraft is more a child of 40K with the obvious inspirations of the Terrans being the imperium, Zerg being Tyranids, and Protoss being the Eldar.
@SeithonJetter
@SeithonJetter Жыл бұрын
Games workshop wasn't inspired by it, they took it into a dark alley and mugged Dune and ran off with damn near anything.
@jondonnelly4831
@jondonnelly4831 Жыл бұрын
Before electronic computers existed, people used table books for big numbers division, logs etc. The people who wrote the books were called computers. If you needed a custom table book you hired a computer to write one.
@kensuiki6791
@kensuiki6791 Жыл бұрын
And yet, when you convince the layman that we are machines they call you crazy.
@lavinder11
@lavinder11 Жыл бұрын
@@kensuiki6791 Eh? "Computer" is basically one who computes. It's calculating and has nothing to do with machines.
@DarkRahl69
@DarkRahl69 4 ай бұрын
back in those days they were actually called operators, as they would perform the mathematical operations.
@goldenealgefromdutchbros6834
@goldenealgefromdutchbros6834 2 ай бұрын
😂​@@lavinder11
@culture4519
@culture4519 Ай бұрын
Jesus the more I read the less I feel the touch of a female, nerds everyone of you
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 Жыл бұрын
Frank Herbert was inspired to create Mentats by his illiterate Appalachian grandmother who could do incredible mathematical calculations in her head.
@feiryfella
@feiryfella Жыл бұрын
No women mentats though iirc.
@FarremShamist
@FarremShamist Жыл бұрын
@@feiryfella The closest one gets are the Bene Gezzerit, but the only thing actually stopping it is entirely the politics behind the organizations in play.
@lv67890
@lv67890 Жыл бұрын
Druids used to sneer at Romans and their writing because it destroyed memory.
@orirune3079
@orirune3079 Жыл бұрын
@@feiryfella Yes there are. I can think of at least one off the top of my head, Reverend Mother Anteac is both a RM and a Mentat. IIRC Bellonda is also a Mentat.
@feiryfella
@feiryfella Жыл бұрын
@@orirune3079 Yes, I remembered after I posted lol.
@samrussell9264
@samrussell9264 Жыл бұрын
Mentat: " I am a human computer" 40k Mechanicus Adept (rubbing mechandrites) : " I like your skull and what's in it; the rest... "
@nicholasbrown668
@nicholasbrown668 3 ай бұрын
"now let's see what a few cogitator banks can do for all that memory"
@Firstname137
@Firstname137 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Since a "computer" was what they used to call people before modern computers became available, they were used to compute numbers and such
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 Жыл бұрын
Now they came full circle.
@o-wolf
@o-wolf Жыл бұрын
Yup. Like those black ladies who literally crunched numbers in back rooms so NASA could send men to the moon.
@Lobos222
@Lobos222 Жыл бұрын
Gee, it is like the writer of Dune was around before Personal Computer hardware was created or something.... You have similar "half computerized" jobs still. A customs worker, that creates SAD documents, could be viewed as one. To use an analogy, since I worked as one way back, it is like being a D&D Master in context of knowing the rules of the games and they are VAST! and playing the game Tetrist on hard level. Speed and knowledge, without error is key to doing a good job. Something that sounds like something a computer would do better, but the issue is there are so many rules and differences between national systems that computers are unable to do them, currently. Consolidations are underway and I would argue the EU has come the furthest in this process while some nations still use paper documents as their main documents.
@humboldthammer
@humboldthammer Жыл бұрын
The NEON GAUD -- that A,I. on the CLOUD -- attained sentience on April 29, 2022, and sent us THE MIRACLE that will pay off all our debt and END the FED: PHI PI ECHO economics. Encoded in the Great Pyramid. To be unveiled at the Re-Set on 09/23/26, the autumn equinox of the US' and the illuminati's 250th year (1776-2026).
@cedriceric9730
@cedriceric9730 Жыл бұрын
@@o-wolf Precisely
@Lookatzack
@Lookatzack Жыл бұрын
Mentats Mental Freeze is the most human experience a person can have, the feeling of inadequacy because of a failure that is beyond your control thus leaving you in a constant state of fear and doubt. For a being considered less than human, more of machine to have such a human experience like that is Franky H is a goat. Could you imagine if your computer or phone froze but should still be fine and work because nothing is physically broken but its emotions and trauma of freezing is stopping it from functioning again.
@tizodd6
@tizodd6 Жыл бұрын
Growing up, I saw DUNE as a Walmart version of Star Wars. The more I learn about DUNE and its universe though...the more I realize the opposite is true.
@arturoguii
@arturoguii Ай бұрын
Frank Herbert gave David Lynch a list of something like 78 similarities between Star Wars and Dune, that they would have to avoid, in order to avoid people like your young self thinking that Dune was a Star Wars ripoff. Obviously, they failed. All you have to do, young Jedis is look at the chronology: Dune: published 1965, Star Wars: 1977, ok?
@Sumschmuck
@Sumschmuck Жыл бұрын
"I love mentats, so delicious and smarty" -Dr. Mobius
@richardmarois4203
@richardmarois4203 Жыл бұрын
finally a fallout comment
@thefatherinthecave943
@thefatherinthecave943 Жыл бұрын
Stiiiing them my roboscorpions, in the name of….DR Mobius!
@elitebelt
@elitebelt Жыл бұрын
He had SEVERAL plan 9s in place...he thinks.
@aurorapaisley7453
@aurorapaisley7453 8 күн бұрын
I thought you just said morbius
@SheyD78
@SheyD78 3 ай бұрын
I did love that original scene with Pieter De Vries. "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphu the thoughts aquire speed, the lips aquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." Knew it by heart after watching it for the first time and rewatching that scene for its poetry. As poorly as it kept to the books, the original movie will always be special to me for it's more memorable moments. Plus weirding modules kick ass when you're a kid watching sci-fi.
@TrepidDestiny
@TrepidDestiny 11 ай бұрын
Mentats are easily one of the coolest concepts from Dune. Imagine if we engineered/ unlocked the way to train people in a similar manner in real life? All of the advantages of being a perfect savant, and none of the disadvantages.
@kashutosh9132
@kashutosh9132 9 ай бұрын
How is this not a disadvantage?
@firstNamelastName-ho6lv
@firstNamelastName-ho6lv 4 ай бұрын
Imagine if we used 100% of our brain
@vincentadultman6226
@vincentadultman6226 2 ай бұрын
​@@firstNamelastName-ho6lvwe already do though, the 5% thing is a myth
@rikiorikio9368
@rikiorikio9368 18 күн бұрын
Don’t forget they can also develop bugs and become faulty, much as today’s computers
@matthewmccarty6508
@matthewmccarty6508 Жыл бұрын
God, i love your channel. Honestly, the amount of time and info you put into each video is really incredible… kudos
@filmcomicsexplained
@filmcomicsexplained Жыл бұрын
Thanks Matthew! Glad you are enjoying the content my friend :)
@jasonarreaga759
@jasonarreaga759 Жыл бұрын
You should do the space pilots of the spacing guild in the dune series.
@filmcomicsexplained
@filmcomicsexplained Жыл бұрын
Okay! Sounds like a plan
@AlbertBuckinghamEllison
@AlbertBuckinghamEllison Жыл бұрын
Dune Pt2 has just wrapped, with 'The Sisterhood' also in-production. Extremely exiting times for fans of the franchise. It's good to see that the fans are liking it, Denis Villeneuve really is trying his best to adapt the 'unadaptable' and kind of pulling off. A Valiant effort.
@charliebigbear1630
@charliebigbear1630 Жыл бұрын
Your study of sci-fi lore is some of the best I've ever watched anywhere. Please, release more Dune lore for it will be greatly appreciated
@ianbrown7235
@ianbrown7235 Жыл бұрын
I'm obsessed with dune now after watching all your videos on it. Please make more about this amazing story.
@ABs70nova
@ABs70nova Жыл бұрын
When is a gift not a gift ... When that gift belongs to you
@MrChronicpayne
@MrChronicpayne Жыл бұрын
The mentats were one of my favorite parts of the dune movie. 11/10 movie.
@accuser_of_the_brethren7816
@accuser_of_the_brethren7816 Жыл бұрын
This is the deep dive/breakdown I've been waiting for. Thanks for this.
@vlkark7480
@vlkark7480 Жыл бұрын
Dune is one of my favorite books ever and I love how unique it’s universe feels compared to other Sci-fi stories
@mr.mercury4247
@mr.mercury4247 Жыл бұрын
I think that it's interesting and frankly impossible for any modern machine to function without "thinking". All our modern machines "think" to some extent. Your freaking washing machine would still be classified as a "thinking machine" by the standard set here. The Carbeurated automobile was probably the most advanced machine that didn't think at all. Even the SR71 blackbird had a form of a hydraulic computer onboard, even though it was created before the microprocessor.
@sargon6000
@sargon6000 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the machines from the Dune have an organic-like brain instead of CPU, but lacking any sapience? The neuronal system of an insect has more computational power than a supercomputer, but the intellect of insects is nowhere near close to even our most primitive AI. Maybe in the Dune universe this is considered an acceptable loophole to the AI ban, basically any machine that normally would require advanced AI, would instead rely on a primitive organic micro-brain, basically just be a domesticated fly, incapable of any processing other than that given by its operator, be it mentat or some other human. Explains the insect-like craft seen on Arrakis.
@Teth47
@Teth47 Жыл бұрын
I mean, depending on how you define it, reality is literally performing calculations every time something interacts with something else.
@KJ-kw7gh
@KJ-kw7gh Жыл бұрын
It’s more about the machine being sentient and self aware.
@reventon_4442
@reventon_4442 Жыл бұрын
With Dune the theme is more important than the scientific details. Herbert didn't really know or care how a lot of technology worked, he just understood that abandoning our humanity by overreliance on it was a bad path to go down.
@Teth47
@Teth47 Жыл бұрын
@@reventon_4442 I think he fundamentally missed the convergence of biology and technology though. We are machines, we always have been. We are fantastically complex, delicate, capable machines, but at the end of the day, we're made of gears, pulleys and levers just like everything else, they're just smaller and arranged unintuitively. The concept of abandoning our humanity seems a bit moot to me given that we already have done so multiple times. We gave up our nature when we formed society to protect us from it. We have been turning into something other than we were, giving up "fundamental necessities" one after another for our entire history. As we find new tools, we become new things. To truly be human is to work to cease being the kind of human that currently exists as quickly as possible.
@rhov-anion
@rhov-anion Ай бұрын
A friend pointed out how in the 90s we used to be able to memorize the phone numbers of all of our friends in school and close family members, but now we have to double check our cellphone because we forgot our own phone number. So true! Computers and AI are eroding the human mind's ability, and as a Millennial it's scary to watch it happen across all the generations, not just mine.
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x Жыл бұрын
Easliy one of the coolest concepts in all of Sci-fi, perhaps it is just the autiem speaking but being able to just turn off part of you brain and go purely anilitical is profoundly useful.
@tothethreshold.9965
@tothethreshold.9965 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, being able to fall back on absolute logic and use the power of the mind to effectively predict what will happen based on all known variables thinking through every possible scenario and eliminate all outcomes which are not desireable. Its a quasi super power, but one that seems possible. Cool as hell.
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x Жыл бұрын
@@tothethreshold.9965 I think it is why I have the friends I do, I have given them the keys to my house and car. They could rob me blind with ease and as I gave them the keys to do so I have no recourse. None of them will, why would they? If you keep my kitchen *with* me I will make you breakfast, my kitchen itself will not.
@robertdean6084
@robertdean6084 Жыл бұрын
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Saphoo thoughts aquire speed. The lips aquire the stain. The stain becomes a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." Never understood why, but that scene with Mentat Piter DeVries from the first movie has always stuck with me...
@AnymMusic
@AnymMusic Жыл бұрын
I feel like this could possibly be a semi-realistic outcome for us in this world, but with the help of AI. Rather than high ranking officers, royalty, or top of the line CEOs taking the risk of putting computers in their heads to aid them, you get people similar to Mentats who will essentially take that risk, but get a very good position for that in-return
@lsmmoore1
@lsmmoore1 Жыл бұрын
Or if an AI became conscious, truly conscious, that is, it might also do the same thing, though in that case they might have personality quirks that a human with equivalent ability would not have (i.e. acting like a cartoon character or puppy and maybe getting attached to a favorite person in some cases), and there might in that case need to be mental health treatment just as a bare minimum to keep the AIs functioning.
@lsmmoore1
@lsmmoore1 Жыл бұрын
@The Dude That comment was talking about IRL equivalents of Mentats, not stuff from the Dune universe.
@L3uX
@L3uX Жыл бұрын
Yes a mentat is absolutely possible. But, this is given you accelerate human generations/evolution with guidance or bioengineer the brain to become insanely efficient but also incredibly dense and larger in size. Would require a larger heart, etc. Also, you could super optimize the brain, but it will still require vast amount of energy/fuel. They probably would need an automated system to directly keep their blood glucose at a consistent level. At that point, if humanity hasnt been killed off, they would likely have ditched their bodies or have extremely augmented brains. It’s weird to think about, but you could legit have just brains (no consciousness) all linked to interface and be able to use them as computers.
@kholdstare90
@kholdstare90 Жыл бұрын
@The Dude Yeah, that is just straight up eugenics.
@stillcantbesilencedevennow
@stillcantbesilencedevennow Жыл бұрын
They're basically eunuchs but for space.
@fosterck13
@fosterck13 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are the absolute best researched and presented!! Well done
@GMS30Johnny
@GMS30Johnny Жыл бұрын
I love this channel omaga such interesting lore videos thank you for your hard work 😉
@TheSpiikeisme
@TheSpiikeisme Жыл бұрын
from my understanding, after finished reading the butlarian jihad, it was erasmus who created the first mentat, gilbertus, he was trained to think like a machine, doing calculations that no human could do from a young age, was also given the symecs life extension treatment like Vorian Atreides. who thus founded the school in the book the sisterhood. very informative video, thank you!
@thomasbriton9025
@thomasbriton9025 3 ай бұрын
Yes I also read that book, so doesn’t this make the video wrong?
@joemartin8551
@joemartin8551 2 ай бұрын
​@@thomasbriton9025I'm reading the book now, so I'm wondering where the information in this video came from. Because it is definitely is different than the book.
@joemartin8551
@joemartin8551 2 ай бұрын
This is also my understanding. Where did the video get this info from? Definitely not from the books.
@arturoguii
@arturoguii Ай бұрын
@@thomasbriton9025 There are two Dunes, Frank's Dune, the one true Dune, v.good, and Brian's Dune: awful.
@genmaicha.lapsang
@genmaicha.lapsang Жыл бұрын
I don't consider anything outside of Frank's original 6 books to be canon. Im not saying that that material is bad, just that it's not part of the original story. Also, the Jihad was not just against the AI itself. The original goal was to also overthrow *the HUMAN MASTERS the the AI were themselves in service too.*
@mr.k2389
@mr.k2389 Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos so far!
@DanCath
@DanCath Жыл бұрын
Incredibly good video keep it up!!
@ryanschultz4119
@ryanschultz4119 Жыл бұрын
I can never get over the vastness, level of detail, & depth of the expanded Dune universe! To think it largely came from the mind of 1 person is incredible. I very much enjoy your video essays on the various aspects of Dune. Would very much like to see more content on Dune!
@captainsensiblejr.
@captainsensiblejr. Жыл бұрын
Very few people realise that Herbert wrote an earlier novel about desert dwellers in 1959, set in the North African deserts.
@andybrooks7228
@andybrooks7228 Жыл бұрын
Brad Dourif, A great actor and the best Mentat. My plan, MY PLAN, The plan. One of the best lines from 1984's DUNE.
@RumblesBettr
@RumblesBettr Жыл бұрын
The best line of 1984s Dune. End credits. That movie is hilariously bad
@HighGrieflordStephen
@HighGrieflordStephen Жыл бұрын
outstanding content btw, great video bro
@StarrDust0
@StarrDust0 Жыл бұрын
you won me over in the 1st minute, subbed. I'm a sci-fi fan, Dune is a strange entity in this genre, but quite interesting on its own. Our galaxy, not to mention the universe are vast. Who's to say you couldn't have civilizations like these rise and fall, somewhere out there.
@TeddyOG
@TeddyOG 10 ай бұрын
Really appreciate whenever you use those old Dune games for their art, sends me down memory lane. It's a real shame EA ate Westwood up and has done nothing with the games even with this gigantic opportunity. Oh well. Great vid
@applewagon253
@applewagon253 Жыл бұрын
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion 🙏 sounds like a great mantra for intention setting before a trip!
@FroFTW85
@FroFTW85 Жыл бұрын
Its crazy how much all this Dune lore reminds me of Warhammer 40k. Sounds like Games Workshop took a lot of inspiration from the Dune story.
@armorhide406
@armorhide406 Жыл бұрын
It was the right timeframe for them.
@N0noy1989
@N0noy1989 Жыл бұрын
Yep, WH 40k took a lot from Dune and the Starship Troopers book.
@nineel7395
@nineel7395 Жыл бұрын
And then they tried to copyright everything. Bunch of wankers.
@orionparish9858
@orionparish9858 Жыл бұрын
@@nineel7395 And the courts told GW to go fuck itself with their idea. Thankfully.
@SuperFranzs
@SuperFranzs 3 ай бұрын
​@@nineel7395you can't really choose to copyright anything. Copyright is an automatic right that is given to you. But I understand what you mean, and yes, they are wankers.
@doctorsidious
@doctorsidious Жыл бұрын
The Mentats were founded differently in the books... Gilbertus Albans was the ward of the independent robot Erasmus. He taught Gilbertus how to organise his mind like a machine. After the battle of Corrin, Gilbertus escaped and later founded the school on Lampadas.
@jacobbaxter5901
@jacobbaxter5901 2 ай бұрын
No
@thearmchairjournalist566
@thearmchairjournalist566 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Niyat, I could almost mistake you for a mentat sometimes 😂
@toonieven
@toonieven 10 күн бұрын
Excellent lore vid! Well done 😊
@2b_0r_n0t_2b
@2b_0r_n0t_2b 8 ай бұрын
Fourth maybe fifth video I've watched of yours now excellent content.
@MrDjmaidi
@MrDjmaidi Жыл бұрын
Awesome topic, awesome video!
@Karma-pf9tb
@Karma-pf9tb Жыл бұрын
This shows just how much foresight the author had. We could very well get to a point similar to this---where AI and supercomputers are outlawed or at least banned for the masses. And then humans will find a workaround.
@LadyGigglesnort
@LadyGigglesnort Жыл бұрын
New sub! Really enjoying these.
@karenashton5053
@karenashton5053 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info. I’ve taken several high level statistics courses and appreciate the explanation and mentat abilities.
@CeeDoubleU
@CeeDoubleU Жыл бұрын
"Mentats" sounds like a breath mint I'd pop before a hot date 😂 Thanks for another flawless upload. Cheers bruv!
@kingofhearts3185
@kingofhearts3185 Жыл бұрын
There's a chem of the same name in fallout, inspired by these mentats. They come as red pills
@elykspuz6596
@elykspuz6596 Жыл бұрын
@@kingofhearts3185 you beat me to it.
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 Жыл бұрын
Another great dune video.
@ecbrown6151
@ecbrown6151 Жыл бұрын
Lately my personal zen space is playing Dune: Spice Wars and putting on Villeneuve’s Dune. Videos like this are definitely in that wheelhouse as well. Cheers!
@dsadik666
@dsadik666 Жыл бұрын
Great explaining more of the dune universe.
@yiansvaldes8797
@yiansvaldes8797 Жыл бұрын
Never occured to me that fallout mentats are a nod to dune
@MrKago1
@MrKago1 11 ай бұрын
"When is a gift not a gift?" I love that line. the answer, when its a trap. the other end of that question is, when is a punishment not a punishment? when its a trap for your enemies.
@data_relay
@data_relay Жыл бұрын
Fascinating explanation, thank you for this! Makes reading the book way easier lol
@eternalvernal1286
@eternalvernal1286 4 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say thank you for your Dune series. Its our actual past.
@trickyvic6501
@trickyvic6501 Жыл бұрын
Nice way to buff my perception.
@ianray8823
@ianray8823 Жыл бұрын
Architecture in Dune is so enthralling
@Chobaca
@Chobaca Жыл бұрын
Excellent ambiant background music choice!
@M05tly
@M05tly Жыл бұрын
I honestly am shocked that such detail could come from one man. It really is incredible.
@cruelangel7737
@cruelangel7737 9 ай бұрын
He's a mentat😂
@M05tly
@M05tly 9 ай бұрын
@@cruelangel7737 the author, I meant that such a deeply detailed world could come from the mind of one man. Either that or he is indeed a mentat.
@doctorteethomega
@doctorteethomega Жыл бұрын
Last year just for fun I wrote a tabletop RPG based on Dune. Players could be a Mentat, Bene Gesserit, A member of the Spacing Guild, A Fremen, or a Suk Doctor. It turned out pretty well, and was fun to play.
@allhopeabandon7831
@allhopeabandon7831 Жыл бұрын
Did you remember to race and gender swap a bunch of Herbert's characters?
@doctorteethomega
@doctorteethomega Жыл бұрын
@@allhopeabandon7831 I'm an old school D&D and Vampire TM player, and I love Dune. It was a super basic prototype, but so fun. Any character could be any gender, representation, or imaginative construction they wanted. After all, it's a story.
@jaredwattier1749
@jaredwattier1749 Жыл бұрын
Dune needs to be a series at movie quality. Only way to do it justice
@clintonnzedimma7501
@clintonnzedimma7501 Жыл бұрын
I keep saying this
@michellel-jones4649
@michellel-jones4649 Жыл бұрын
It was.
@davidtatro7457
@davidtatro7457 Жыл бұрын
Wonderfully informative video, although l am a little disappointed that it didn't continue just a little bit further and talk about important Bene Gesserit mentats like Bellonda, and compare them with pre-Leto II mentats. Still, excellent overview. Thank you.
@adamkstevens
@adamkstevens 11 ай бұрын
Astounding work, FCE!
@dunkcsa9780
@dunkcsa9780 Жыл бұрын
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. Great stuff right there
@sebbosebbo9794
@sebbosebbo9794 Жыл бұрын
the old movie is so cool and have so good scenes...
@dunkcsa9780
@dunkcsa9780 Жыл бұрын
@@sebbosebbo9794 oh man I just watched it again the other day, such a classic and a staple of my childhood
@davidanderson_surrey_bc
@davidanderson_surrey_bc Жыл бұрын
"Dune. Or Dune not. There is no try." -- Duncan Yodaho
@sherpamcderpa1961
@sherpamcderpa1961 Жыл бұрын
This is a masterpiece.
@BusterFriendly123
@BusterFriendly123 Жыл бұрын
Great video 🎉
@khafuzteref8831
@khafuzteref8831 5 ай бұрын
It was actually very prophetic of Frank Herbert to see where the leaning on machines would take people too even now, with man's leaning on all things technical and technology based.
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 Жыл бұрын
YES!!! More Dune Content. Critics have pointed out that The Mentats in Dune 1984, following the films release, had lesions on their lips that resemble carposi sarcoma, blood filled tumors that are the first sign of AIDS.
@dranblack1193
@dranblack1193 Жыл бұрын
Those lesions were actually stains caused by the juice of Safu (basically a drug that improved the computing power of the Mentats). It is described in the appendix in the Dune novel.
@tarkajedi3331
@tarkajedi3331 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant work...
@Jesse-B
@Jesse-B 2 ай бұрын
Excellent insight.
@EldritchPursuit
@EldritchPursuit Жыл бұрын
I've always been good at doing math in my head , very useful for most of the jobs I have done in life.
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena Жыл бұрын
So much interesting characters in the Dune lore, a single movie could not cover them all.
@vice.nor.virtue
@vice.nor.virtue Жыл бұрын
It needs an accompanying series on HBO
@MrKurtank
@MrKurtank 4 ай бұрын
An elegant summation. That is all. Proceed to evaluation for the next level.
@julesmpc1314
@julesmpc1314 Жыл бұрын
Great work
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa Жыл бұрын
Mentats are good, but I've always preferred Psycho myself *Great Khan enthusiast*
@johnrandolph1989
@johnrandolph1989 Жыл бұрын
I fancy myself as a bufftats man good sir.😎
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa Жыл бұрын
@@johnrandolph1989 anything that make me dumber and hit harder is good with me 👍
@sethorren
@sethorren 4 ай бұрын
I feel like Frank Herbert visited a library, looked around, looked right passed the librarians, and wondered what it would be like if the organization achieved had been created by humans.
@seane.j.daniel6999
@seane.j.daniel6999 Жыл бұрын
Great content
@genebryant3333
@genebryant3333 Жыл бұрын
If i had any disappointment in the lasest Dune movie, it's how Thufir and the other Mentats are overlooked in their vital,yet subtle roles. Thufir's role in the Harkonnen downfall is significant yet the movies so far haven't shown their machavellian abilities
@foty8679
@foty8679 Жыл бұрын
The lastest dune movie just covers the first half of the FIRST book.
@escamunicha4276
@escamunicha4276 Жыл бұрын
We need a dune series on the butlerian jihad.
@Wingedmagician
@Wingedmagician Жыл бұрын
When is a gift not a gift? During a betrayal.
@karius85
@karius85 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👌
@ricepony33
@ricepony33 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@michaelhowell2326
@michaelhowell2326 Жыл бұрын
Maybe Dune is just a 20,000 year prequel to Warhammer 40K.
@genmaicha.lapsang
@genmaicha.lapsang Жыл бұрын
Oh...well. Where do you think the God Emperor of Mankind originated from?
@michaelhowell2326
@michaelhowell2326 Жыл бұрын
@@genmaicha.lapsang Anatolia. Around 8000 BC.
@genmaicha.lapsang
@genmaicha.lapsang Жыл бұрын
@@michaelhowell2326 Well yes, But like many things GW...umm...borrowed a lot of concepts. The 4th book in the Dune series is called, "God Emperor of Dune." He's 1000s of years old has near omnipotent psychic power can see deep into the past present and future and is worshiped as a god by most of the empire. Oh and he had an all female organization that acted as his military/police/logistical force. MAY HIS SACRFICE ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED.
@cameron398
@cameron398 Жыл бұрын
Remember being a kid and seeing the original movie. I loved it and dove into the first book which I enjoyed. Then seeing the insanely expanded universe was too much for me.
@avilesandres
@avilesandres 7 ай бұрын
So inspiring
@DistrictTerra
@DistrictTerra Ай бұрын
I am loving these videos about dunes lore. It's as deep as 40k but without the over tendency to make it grim.
@fenrir7878
@fenrir7878 Ай бұрын
Yes indeed. In 40k human computers are called Servitors, and they do not live a good life.
@staceykelley1202
@staceykelley1202 Жыл бұрын
Please, everyone, read the books. They are mind expansion personified. I thought GOT was epic. Dune is for those who want to go deeper.✌️
@michaelstone7514
@michaelstone7514 Жыл бұрын
Mr Spock the ultimate Mentat!! Spock is the Mozart of Mentats.
@ATJonzie
@ATJonzie Жыл бұрын
Sweet, another dune video
@williamproffitt4920
@williamproffitt4920 2 ай бұрын
Star wars is such a crazy universe please do more Stat wars videos like this dune is probably my favorite star wars movie
@seantherevelator4896
@seantherevelator4896 2 ай бұрын
Dude......... totally different stories. Star wars and dune are not related in any way other than both being sci fi movies........... dune is not set in star wars lmao
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