DUNE LORE - Origins of the Fremen (History Before Arrakis)

[@InvictaHistory]

New episode on "Growing Up Fremen" kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4XMYpeQa910rrM

[@seanholland6132]

One thing I've always loved about Dune was the Reverend Mothers. Specifically, I love the fact that the Freman and the Bene Gesserit independently discovered a way to awaken the ancestral memories. It's rare in science fiction media that you get to see parallel development paths explored in any way, instead people trying to make a monolithic event spread across a galactic environment.

[@jaquandrejones]

Unless i missed something, the bene gesserit planted that part of fremin culture when they laid the seeds that Paul and Rebecca abused to make dune happen.

[@SjofnBM1989]

@@jaquandrejones who tf is Rebecca?

[@jaquandrejones]

@@SjofnBM1989 lmao I cant believe I used the actress' name from the movie. I meant Jessica

[@DHirsch]

@@jaquandrejones At first I thought you meant Rebecca from Chapterhouse, who also has these abilities, even though she has nothing to do with the discoveries of the Fremen or the Bene Gesserit...

[@jaquandrejones]

@@DHirsch Rebecca is a great character later in the series

[@Rauruatreides]

While some people criticize Dune for giving the idea that simply harsh environment made the Fremen super soldiers, things like this show it was much more than that. Their people's history was defined by conflict and oppression, and so they built their skills to be able to eventually resist even the Sardukaur.

[@The_ZeroLine]

These newly invented origins show it was much more than that!

[@thecollector6746]

Nah....they are right....the whole "Fremen Super Soldier cause they had it hard" thing is nonsense.....as is much of Dune's world building details..(LOLz...computers aren't "thinking machines"...they are pretty much simply calculators....but they are banned for being in the likeness of the a human mind....but some how Ixian "compilers" are not computers ?)...but then focusing on the goofy tech and backgrounds/details of the various cultures defeats the point of the franchise. Dune is about questioning what you have been told.

[@zacbergman710]

@@thecollector6746 in the books it is kinda known that ixians use computers of some dimension but the emperor and houses look the other way because they benefit from these creations

[@s45quatch19]

@@thecollector6746 the "thinking machines" refered to in Dune is AI, like they fought in the machine crusade, not computers.

[@StryKhymorodnyk]

Yes and no. I can say it as a Ukrainian. Thousands of years of history. Since Proto-European horsemen, whose origins is from our ethnic lands for 1918 borders. Here I mean, ethnically, there are still Ukrainians. And till nowadays, when those, who want our land (but can't handle agriculture and households-proven a lot), try to get it. There's a theory about word 'Fremen' connected to 'Seatch'. In Ukraine we always had Siches. Zaporizhian Siches: Khortyts'ka Sich, Tomakivs'ka Sich, Bazavluts'ka Sich, Mykytyns'ka, Chortomlyts'ka Sich, Kamyans'ka Sich, Oleshkivs'ka Sich, Nova Sich, Zadunays'ka Sich. Sich is a settlement. Derives from the verb "сікти" - 'sikty', sounds like 'sick-t-yh'. It means 'cut' or 'wheep'. Those Siches were made of wood with axes, so that they were 'cut-off'. Siches were the first democratic-like organization, which has proves in documents from European institutions from those times. Those, who wants, can search and find out a lot of things. So returning to the word 'Fremen' and 'Seathes' together. Of course, 'Fremen' derives of 'freemen', but in connection with 'Seatch' ('Sich'), we may have interesting fact that Frank Herbert read a Ukrainian writer (ethnic Ukrainian from that day Ukraine) Mykola Hohol. He wrote a book 'Taras Bulba' about Zaporizhian Sich, where we have nice description of cossaks, Sich (“To Sietch!” cried Taras, and held his hand high above his head-from that book of 1912 version) and multiple times, when the author mentions 'free men', connected to Sich. There are 2 editions of the books. The older one in the trueest, because soviets changed a lot of words to others. I may claim only about word 'Seatch' in connection to 'Sich' as a democratic state-like organization. And if someone is interested, read about Pylyp Orlyk (Philip Orlyk), who is also the author of the first 1710 constitution. So our not harsh environment of Ukraine made us as a lot of other people want claim this land, because of its qualities. But we always have bad leaders or if we have a good leader, bad ones try to fake a lot about a good leader to claim power and to usurp everything. So that, I just ask trolls and bots (if they occur), I won't answer. Read history books from the whole Europe and world, not only ruzzian made-up ones.

[@thatotherguy8138]

Sources: "Dune" by Frank Herbert "The Dune Encyclopedia" by Frank Herbert and Willis E. McNelly MISSING: Anything by Pinky and the Brian. I wholeheartedly approve.

[@joythought]

Sorry, I like Brian's work.

[@longnamenocansayy]

don't forget dune encyclopedia can be downloaded free from internet archive.

[@senseishu937]

​​@@longnamenocansayyI thought it was a book?

[@markanthony1004]

@@joythought It'd decent on it's on, but compared to Frank's works it's lacking a lot and it seems less about the human story and more about the mechanized "humans" which I don't think that's what Frank meant to do

[@basedboi3956]

PLEASE make more Dune videos, this is incredible

[@InvictaHistory]

We've already done one on "Welcome to Arrakis" and a "Units of Dune - The Sardaukar" but will certainly be looking to do more

[@bryanutility9609]

@@InvictaHistorymake a playlist! Bene Gesserit are the main mythology I think.

[@veramae4098]

I always thought the Fremen were descendents of Palestinians.

[@bryanutility9609]

@@veramae4098 The author modeled them after the Arab world intentionally.

[@braincell4536]

@@veramae4098 Palestinian identity if a much more younger concept and born out of modern geopolitics rather than actual cultural history. The Fremen are basically the Bedouin if you read about their nomadic and cultural lifestye its basically 1:1 besides the religion afaik

[@rafaelgustavo7786]

One of the reasons Herbert wrote Dune was due to the distrust he had of charismatic leaders and how the people are fickle, manipulable and surrender their freedom (with the respective critical sense and necessary distrust to the government) to follow the various scoundrels that infest the global history. The sight of JFK and the charisma he exuded - just remember the romanticism of his government and person that emerged after his assassination. The best passage of the 6 books is in the dialogue with Stilgar in "Dune Messiah": Genghis Khan killed 4 million, Hitler killed 6 million, and I sterilized planets." What a magnificent "hero" Paul Atreides was. And how the followers of a leader expand the mistakes of their leadership (religious, political, etc).

[@samurai8698]

But he also wrote how Paul saw that he couldn't stop the inevitable jihad even if he removed himself, and that "The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grow stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive."

[@rafaelgustavo7786]

@@samurai8698 The great Tale of the Golden Path.

[@ShadowPhoenixMaximus]

Mao Zedong killed 40 to 80 million and yet he's still worshipped with a semi-religious fervour in a supposedly atheist China

[@TheRezro]

Which make especially ironic that people think that Paul is a hero... lol

[@TN-gr1xh]

Is it possible to examine the story from completely within the authors writings? Maybe without bringing your politics, especially modern politics into the story analysis?

[@msjay5086]

Adds a whole new layer to Chani's line "this prophecy is how they enslave us"

[@joshsomerville6048]

In the books she doesn't say that. She's an ardent supporter of Paul.

[@jalpat2272]

@@joshsomerville6048 I hate this part actually, the make sure they have independent wahmen moment and added non nuisance.

[@johnndamascene]

ugh

[@LilacSreya]

@@jalpat2272 Why must people like you always complain about “independent women”. Just get over it.

[@jalpat2272]

@@LilacSreya maybe i am bored every new media always make unnecessary change to have "the message" al women character always portayed as aggressive and unpleasant but never wrong girlboss but even butchering an entire franchise for it.

[@andrew9371]

So they were a mix between japanese zen Buddhists and sunni muslims thats actually really fucking interesting

[@andrew9371]

@@Jason-gg4lm i mean its a desert planet so it fits (and im saying this as Somone who literally hates muslims and islam)

[@b_a_z_e_dv.2.067]

@Jason-gg4lm Why? Frank Herbert was inspired by the North African berber tribes that lived in harsh climates. Their beliefs are clear aspect of why they, along with many desert dwelling tribes survived. That along with the Algerian struggle for independence is a key aspect of what makes the Fremen. Or are you just "muslim bad" type of guy.

[@Hoboman-1453]

Though that is probably the most accurate. I felt their story was a mixing of the history of all three Abrahamic religion (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) I could be wrong but that is what I concluded

[@andrew9371]

@@Hoboman-1453 i mean they are literally called the zensunni

[@Hoboman-1453]

@@andrew9371 I know that was a very neat little naming convention that I enjoyed

[@Michelle-Eden]

The Fremen were originally Hobbits from the West Farthing.

[@ryanok1757]

Ok, jew

[@theobolt250]

😂😂😂 Good one! 👌👍

[@awf6554]

​@ryanok1757 Wow, nice one Adolf.

[@wayfaringman8418]

This is the new canon. Dagor Dagorath or Kralizec is yet to come.

[@deadlockdeadlock]

Good brain

[@tomhanks1769]

If they took everyone from Poritrin who was left there to settle the planet? Did they just use the Zensunni to do all the hard work before settling it with other people?

[@TheRezro]

Probably yes.

[@nvmtt]

well, you dont house the construction workers in the condos they built, do you?

[@jameshead9119]

@nvmtt1403 I got the impression of them being the original settlers but were then the hardcore rebels were dumped on dune as a punishment and expected to die on an near uninhabitable planet before the discovery of spice at that point the house Harkamen took possession of the planet while ignoring the freemen completely and treaded them more or less like the Bedouins are in the Middle East today

[@hundebubi1410]

Great retelling of the Fremen History. Can't wait for the next one.

[@arnorrian1]

The Fremen were already on Arrakis by 1AG. They found the spice that was used to establish the Guild, so AG age began.

[@dynamis8134]

I hope we’re getting more Units of Dune lore like we have with The Sardaukar

[@jamesabernethy7896]

I've followed your channel for a little while now and love the quality and variety of your content. Visuals are really important for how much I enjoy things. Dune is an incredibly deep universe. Having not read (or listened) to all the books this adds some detail and although I do enjoy it, it's far from my favourite universe to explore. There are issues with the writing which I won't spoil, some people might feel I am missing a trick with the detail. Whenever I think about Dune I can't help but think about the Homeworld game series, especially Deserts of Kharak.

[@ronaldp7573]

Dune lore? A delightful surprise! High quality work as ever gentlemen.

[@strider6690]

The Imperial State was rlly just moving the Zensunni around like they were playing Rise of Empires or smth😭

[@dustsky]

These videos and narrations are so immersive that, for a moment, I completely forgot it was all fiction.

[@Morgulvale_]

This is awesome, really enjoy your Dune lore videos

[@Dule810]

So awesome, hope there will be more Dune content

[@valkyriedd5849]

That is some deep lore you have gathered. Good job.

[@Emanon...]

Amazing video. Love your dune content

[@rangereric18]

Excellent work! Loving the Dune lore videos.

[@johnwodetzki6326]

I’m just now getting into Dune, and it’s amazing. I will say I still love Lord of the Rings so much more but it’s fun to explore this new world

[@ZakhadWOW]

the ANderson/Herbedrt Jr books have a fascinating background, but there is the conflicts with that ENcyclopeida, but the Encyc. was never confirmed as 100% canon. The authors got rather creative.

[@InvictaHistory]

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[@bronson4574]

That time Paul said: It's Muad'Dibing time, and Muad'Dibed through the desert

[@tabularasa_br]

A video on the Sardaukar would be awesome.

[@InvictaHistory]

​@@tabularasa_br already made one kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHyoioaHipWJd6csi=a7kStF2wSpgq2ttX

[@tabularasa_br]

@@InvictaHistory didn't see that one. Will watch. Your channel is one of the best ones, by the way :)

[@TheRezro]

Let my guess? The Emperor is Russian? Because that is worst geopolitics, ever!

[@thomastackett2577]

Herbert had a great grasp on Civilizational change over great time. A Sci-fi genius. One can grasp this time scape just by looking into the changes of Judaism over the thousands of years.

[@g3heathen209]

The sleeper has awakened...

[@carolbriscoe9337]

Thank you so much for this history of the Freman. Had no idea they endured so much. Look forward to your next video

[@anamariab2956]

Great content. Clear explanation with star maps and pictures. The best video. 🙂

[@neofulcrum5013]

A harsh land can breed deadly warriors.

[@Jaxck77]

The irony of that perspective is that it doesn’t really play out in reality. The most military successful nations in history are also the most wealthy & decedent. Spain, China, France, Britain, the US, all are the most deadly at the height of their economic power & civilian ease, not the other way around. It’s one of the themes established in Dune that I really wish was better deconstructed in the later books, the same way the myth of Moad’dib is deconstructed

[@jy3n2]

@@Jaxck77 Yeah. Bret Devereaux's "A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry" has a series called "The Fremen Mirage" on this.

[@Jaxck77]

@@jy3n2 Fantastic recommend thank you!

[@hiibillymayshere4238]

@@Jaxck77 Extremely Limited Scope Take, lmao. Here's the Thing, THE ONLY reason Those Nations become that way was due to the ability of there ancestors to survive and flourish in their environment, which in ancient times, was for sure brutal and harsh, The advancement and development you're speaking of, came AFTER the fact. The people that founded these nations or lived in these regions, weren't always Wealthy and Decedent. Second Point, So many other factors involved in this context you're speaking of and it can't be generalized and decided by the few factors you're mentioning here. Especially when referring to a specialized group of people on an isolated HELL planet, made up of only one biome and full of Giant Mile Long worms, with a Small population of very homogenous people and not much diversity, and comparing them to Earth, which is just completely different entirely in practically every context. Third Point, You judging "Group/Nation Development" and Wealth and Not individual/Group Fighting Prowess/Ability and basing your statement on that, makes your point completely irrelevant... because you're ignoring the context of the Series, Lmao. Think: The Fremen had Multiple HARSH environmental pressures guiding them to be the fierce combatants we see in the series, and they flourished under them. Sure they didn't have a galaxy spanning empire or the ability to make one, hell i don't even know if they could get off world, but on an individual level they were superior to ANY other human for the most part, when it comes to physicality and killing ability and urban warfare. Use your head, The Most Physically capable humans in the Dune Universe Get the Technology and Resources of the Empire, Lmao, Of course they'd dominate everyone, We're Not talking about Who was the Richest and Most Powerful as a whole, That's irrelevant in this case, because eventually the Fremen Were Given the resources and technology OF THE RICHEST AND MOST POWERFUL and that's the point. That's why they were so deadly. The best combatants in the Universe were all of a sudden given Superior (or equal) resources and tech compared to the other high level human factions and Lead By a Near Omniscient Freak Of nature, of course they'd be leaps and bounds above everyone else. Using earth as an example, Hypothetical, If we Fought With Similar weapons/style that we see in the Dune Universe, Samoans and Fijians would be monsters, and some of the best "natural" combatants because of their extreme physicality etc. Look at contact sports, lmao. You don't see Chinese Dominating Rugby. Do they have massively wealthy Nations and A history of Planet Wide Supremacy or even Regional Supremacy and Extremely sophisticated Wealth/Development like the Nations you mentioned? NO. Are they most likely FAR superior individually on a physical level than the people in the countries you mentioned? YES. Give them Resources and Tech/Wealth On par with the countries you listed and the knowledge to utilize them and they'd dominate everyone else (their individuals already Excel at the Current State of Warfare, compared to others for the reasons mentioned above, similar juxtaposition to the Fremen in Dune.). It's really that simple. Lmao. So yes, the perspective of Harsh Environments Breeding Strong warriors and those warriors being GOOD WARRIORS AND COMBATANTS does pan out in reality, lmfao. Wealth/Development doesn't mean the individual people's are Strong and powerful or deadly (Compare China and Again, Samoa or Fiji, for one example.)

[@Fankas2000]

@@Jaxck77 Only after the invention of the gun. Before it, settled people constantly lost against nomads.

[@londomolari5715]

Did some of the zensuni on Salusa Secundus become Sardukar?

[@Tortle-Man]

Yes, if you see that video, you will see that the Sardukar are their descendants. It’s the irony of Dune, the Fremen are fighting their own cousins.

[@thelostcosmonaut5555]

@@Tortle-Man we all are in when it comes to war.

[@heathercurry898]

Crazy that the Fremen's ancestors were abducted and made into slaves. Makes me understand better Chani's distrust of outsiders' intentions for the Fremen. Edit: OMG, they were constantly screwed by the Imperium! Constantly forced to colonize new planets and do the hard work, only to be uprooted and tricked again and again.

[@fabionwilson6992]

Very well done I really enjoyed this!

[@zackthejuggalo9358]

Been waiting on your dune episodes since the sardakkar or however the hell you spell um keep them coming now that I’m thinking about you probably waited till the movie was close

[@DarthMalaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw]

God, Dune lore is amazing

[@Gen.berseker25]

The origins of the Dune universe are interesting!

[@CarlosRomeroAlvarado]

You mean the *Duniverse*

[@stijnvantongerloo9122]

This is fascinating - and way cool! Please create more Dune-related content! I would watch the heck out of that :D

[@dariustiapula]

I wonder if everyone on Arrakis gets low key high from all those spice particles in the air?.

[@marceloslacerda]

Everyone gets positively affected. Spice doesn't cause hallucinations to most people but everyone is affected, what I don't know is if everyone is addicted enough to die without spice.

[@wt4629]

@@marceloslacerdaspice is endemic to Arakkis, it’s in the air and the food. It’s impossible to spend extended time on Arakkis exposed to the elements without becoming addicted.

[@Jack-cc3qm]

Spice melange is a psychedelic. It's a fungus that grows in the nests of the great sandworms.

[@monk071]

Frakin great content 🤘🏾fantastic art and editing!

[@christopherg2347]

Any chance of a Dune playlist? You have 3 videos already. And I assume more are to come.

[@oliverforrest4488]

I love how you guys did this, I think you'll love the Tron series, too.

[@jknott1003]

What would be really cool would be a history of the Bene Tlielax. There's a potential for alot great stories (imho). While the novels provide interesting hints of their society, sciences and their home world, a novel or two about their distant past and what led them to create axolotl tanks, face dancers and gholas would be an interesting read.

[@PrimeroVorian1]

Thank you!

[@matthewct8167]

I thought only in Arrakis can spice be found, so what did the spacing guild use before for interstellar travel?

[@karolinakuc4783]

Perhaps mind was so developed they didn't even need drugs

[@Talis7]

The could obviously travel before spice - but it was dangerous and unreliable. They may be destroyed, end up somewhere entirely unexpected and I believe there were time dilation effects. One way to travel safety was to use AI to calculate interstellar travel but that is forbidden. Spice however allowed travel to be instantaneous, safe and reliable. Spice

[@pendantblade6361]

Adore this video. Dune has such rich worldbuilding.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Last time I was this early, George RR Martin still hadn’t finished the last book in a song of ice and fire.

[@joythought]

We are all with you on that one.

[@Duke_Askold]

Of course, I understand that it is a desert planet and it is logical for people with dark skin and hair to live there, but if you read the books carefully, you will understand that Fremen, like all other people in the universe, have a European appearance. There are not many descriptions of the appearance of people in the books, but those that exist show that the Fremen had a European appearance, for example:Physical descriptions of characters Paul - black hair, green eyes, oval face ““Is he not small for his age, Jessica?” the old woman asked.” Reverend Mother Mohiam on Paul, from chapter 1 of Dune. “face oval like Jessica’s, but strong bones…hair: the Duke’s black-black but with browline of the maternal grandfather who cannot be named, and that thin, disdainful nose; shape of directly staring green eyes: like the old Duke, the paternal grandfather who is dead.” Reverend Mother Mohiam on Paul, from chapter 1 of Dune Jessica stared at her son, seeing the oval shape of face so like her own. But the hair was the Duke’s-coal-colored and tousled. Long lashes concealed the lime-toned eyes...her lines in eyes and facial outline, but sharp touches of the father peering through that outline like maturity emerging from childhood.” Jessica on Paul, from chapter 1 of Dune. Jessica - tall, slim, bronze hair, green eyes, small nose, full lips “...so many years ago. A skinny girl with hair the color of bronze...” A description of Jessica when she was younger, from chapter 1 of Dune. “She looked more regal than the Emperor’s own blood….there was no single and precise thing that brought her beauty to focus. The face was oval under a cap of hair the color of polished bronze. Her eyes were set wide, as green and clear as the morning skies of Caladan. The nose was small, the mouth wide and generous. Her figure was good but scant: tall and with its curves gone to slimness. He remembered that the lay sisters at the school had called her skinny, so his buyers had told him. But that description oversimplified. She had brought a regal beauty back into the Atreides line. He was glad that Paul favored her.” Leto describing Jessica, from chapter 1 of Dune. Leto I - tall, dark olive skin, angular face, gray eyes. Of Greek descent. “The Duke was tall, olive-skinned. His thin face held harsh angles warmed only by deep gray eyes.” From chapter 1 of Dune. “She looked at his tallness, at the dark skin that made her think of olive groves and golden sun on blue waters. There was woodsmoke in the gray of his eyes, but the face was predatory: thin, full of sharp angles and planes.” Jessica describing Leto. From chapter 1 of Dune.Wellington Yueh - slim, long black hair, square shaped head. “Paul...saw the man’s stick figure standing...took in at a glance the wrinkled black clothing, the square block of a head with purple lips and drooping mustache, the diamond tattoo of Imperial Conditioning on his forehead, the long black hair caught in the Suk School’s silver ring at the left shoulder. “From chapter 1 of Dune. Gurney Halleck - blond and balding, scarred mouth. “Halleck’s wispy blond hair trailed across barren spots on his head. His wide mouth was twisted into a pleasant sneer, and the scar of the inkvine whip slashed across his jawline seemed to move with a life of its own.” From chapter 1 of Dune. Duncan Idaho - dark skin, round face, black curly hair. “Idaho’s dark, round face was drawn into a frown. His hair, curling like the fur of a black goat...” From chapter 1 of Dune Stilgar - thin, black beard “...he raised a thin, darkly veined hand.” From chapter 1 of Dune. “...pulled aside his veil, revealing a thin nose and full-lipped mouth in a glistening black beard.” From chapter 1 of Dune. Chani Kynes - skinny redhead “…and a girl there-very skinny with big eyes. Her eyes are all blue, no whites in them.” Paul describing his dreams of Chani, from chapter 1 of Dune. “...he saw an elfin face, black pits of eyes.” Paul seeing Chani for the first time. From chapter 2 of Dune. Liet Kynes - tall, thin, sandy hair, thick eyebrows, patchy beard and mustache “...tall, thin...long sandy hair, a sparse beard. The eyes were that fathomless blue-within-blue under thick brows.” Leto on Liet Kynes, from chapter 1 of Dune. “His long hair and beard were mussed. The blue eyes without whites were a darkness under heavy brows.” From chapter 2 of Dune. “Wisps of sandy hair protruded from it, matched by a sparse beard and thick brows. Beneath the blue-within-blue eyes, remains of a dark stain spread down to his cheeks. A matted depression across mustache and beard showed where a stillsuit tube had marked out its path...” Description of Liet Kynes from chapter 2 of Dune.

[@VB-fo1oc]

All those people that you named are not native Fremen

[@Duke_Askold]

@@VB-fo1oc Stilgar, Chanie and Liet they're native fremans

[@kettch777]

I guess I don't understand the point of uprooting them, moving them so they'll colonize a new world, uprooting them, leaving the colony abandoned, planting them, uprooting them again....Why were they always the first option for forced resettlement?

[@jeremy1860]

I only read the first book, and while it's not my favourite piece of literature I can definitely see why so many regard it as one of the best sci-fi novels ever 😊

[@BichinAround]

What a great video ❤

[@orange8420]

Space Atheist : Startrek Space muslims : Dune Space christians : Imperium of man

[@MM-zg4wu]

Christians are Pax from Endymion or Ori from Star Gate :⁠-⁠)

[@enisra_bowman]

@@MM-zg4wu i wouldn't say Pax are Space Christians and more Space "medival catholics" or Space Tele Evangelists

[@experience741]

No Hindus and Buddhist?

[@orange8420]

@@experience741 unfortunately no and I'm a budhist too 😭

[@Randomdude-b6d]

Space Taoists: Star Wars Space Cultists: Futurama Space Pagans: Starfinder Space Pantheists: Avatar film series

[@SalvatoreCremeOfficial]

Amazing video! Wondering if this is extracted from any books or developed by yourself. Either way it is great content!

[@MlleAventure]

I want more Dune lorage ❤❤❤

[@fatalfury66]

love your vids!

[@markanthony1004]

I learned recently that Buhd-Islamics were a real thing in human history. Go figure. Love this. I'll give it to Bryan. His prequels did give the Freman a more fleshed out history overall

[@yiannchrst]

Invicta x Dune !!!!

[@antshood3324]

it’s been a while since i have read the books, but if my memory is correct, the freman where slaves during the machine wars to some of the humans that were not subjects of the AI. they got their freedom and migrated to dune and settled there before the spacing guild where ever established. like i said it’s been a long time since i read the books, but im sure the name freman is a derivative of ‘free man’ harping back from their slave days.

[@garrettmasters7281]

Would you guys ever release your music you use in these dune videos?

[@IonutPaun-lp2zq]

Amazing video.

[@cloudy7937]

I have a mental image of the first Fremen people to ride sandworms (who were probably high on spice) that goes "Yo, 20 Solari if you can ride _that_ thing"

[@MrTdg2112]

I still have my copy of the Dune Encyclopedia.

[@codename495]

You lucky fucker.

[@derekclinton9438]

11:54 So, all the Zensunni except for those on Hamonthep were eventually reunited. I wonder... if Frank Herbert had lived long enough, maybe he could have written a book on what happened to them. Maybe, it could have shown the descendants of the Hamonthep Zensunni reuniting with their Fremen cousins.

[@patrickday4206]

The thelaxu are zensunni

[@derekclinton9438]

@@patrickday4206 Yes, but are they the Zensunni from Hamonthep?

[@jacekwrobel5099]

What i am missing? It was the spice that allowed guild's pilots to travel between the stars. And it was discovered on dune later on, after so many travels between the planets.... So when in time there was: - jihad againts machines - finding spice on dune - sending fremen to dune I mean without machines and spice... no interstellar travels What was the chronology?

[@pryceking1779]

You are adding to my hype

[@bilbobagend8155]

Instant sub, if only for the fact that you used the Dune Encyclopedia as a source, and not anything from the BH/KJA universe.

[@cheesy1nacho924]

MORE DUNE VIDEOS PLEASE

[@OnyxStarr44]

Love this!!!!!!

[@awf6554]

I truly love the Dune books, particularly the first 3. This history seems very contrived however, despite the FH authorship.

[@HenryThree]

The first book was great, the second book was alright, the third book was readable, and the last three were none of those things.

[@awf6554]

@burgay3 Yeah, tend to agree.

[@bilbobagend8155]

​@HenryThree The fourth book had some really cool ideas presented, but it's held back by Frank every couple chapters using the protagonist as a vehicle to talk about contemporary issues and his own theories regarding them. It dates the book, which is a shame as Dune had felt pretty timeless up until then.

[@bilbobagend8155]

If it's any consultation, the Dune Encyclopedia was not written by Frank Herbert, but dozens of anonymous authors and compiled by McNelly, whom Frank Herbert had planned collaboration with before he died. To explain any discrepancies and to allow Frank the wiggle room to do what he wanted with the universe, the book is written as an in-universe Encyclopedia, and therefore relies on fake sources that can be discredited rather than being the author's word of god. Still infinitely better than anything Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson could come up with.

[@michaelmunsey5660]

Great video. How did the Guild navigate before the discovery of the spice?

[@amunra5330]

The ships used computers until they were outlawed after the Butlerian Jihad. By that time the spacing navigators were using large amounts of spice. However it still took centuries after the Jihad for the navigators to mutant to the point were they could navigate through the worm hole created by the Guild ships.

[@michaelmunsey5660]

@@amunra5330 thank you!

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

they probably had a lot more crashes and lost more cargo.

[@StryKhymorodnyk]

Greetings from Ukraine! Great video. Make a video about words in 'Dune'. There's an evident connection of the word 'Sietch', 'Seatch' and a Ukrainian Sich as a Cossack settlement. Zaporizhian Siches: Khortyts'ka Sich, Tomakivs'ka Sich, Bazavluts'ka Sich, Mykytyns'ka, Chortomlyts'ka Sich, Kamyans'ka Sich, Oleshkivs'ka Sich, Nova Sich, Zadunays'ka Sich. Sich is a settlement. Derives from the verb "сікти" - 'sikty', sounds like 'sick-t-yh'. It means 'cut' or 'wheep'. Those Siches were made of wood with axes, so that they were 'cut-off'. Siches were the first democratic-like organization, which has proves in documents from European institutions from those times. 'Zaporizhzhian' is a toponymic region meaning 'behind the river rapids' - 'za'-'behind', 'porih'-'rapid', '-zhzhia'-suffix meaning reagionaliity, kind of '-shire' in English. So it would be interesting to hear about the words from other languages.

[@georgecristiancripcia4819]

Very nice video

[@gaslone79]

What are his sources fot this? I've read most of the books and I don't remember the stuff at the beginning of the video.

[@InvictaHistory]

Dune Encyclopedia which predates amd differs from Brian's later work. We have opted to follow this lore branch.

[@gaslone79]

@@InvictaHistory Oh ok. Frank's books only have references to freeman ancestors getting enslaved till they become stronger on Arrakis, IRC. I don't remember Brian's references to freeman ancestors but for Earth it's only in relation to the butlarian jihad and maybe a visit later when his characters are on the run from honored matres, again if I remember correctly. Interesting video anyway, thanks for the quick reply.

[@Comrade_Nikolai]

@@gaslone79 I'm just a bit into the battle of corrin (Legends of Dune 3 book). It seems to me that a lot of Brian's books have inconsistency with the original lore. For example, in Dune, it specified the Butlerian Jihad ends in 108 BG, whereas The Battle of Corrin (book) starts in 69 BG where the Jihad has been raging for yonks. I don't care much for the Brian hate though. I can separate the lore between the two authors. I can hold two canons in my head at the same time.

[@joythought]

​@@gaslone79Actually, I don't remember which book, but Brian does cover an early prototype ship carrying Zen Sunni slaves on their escape and winding up on Arrakis. I think that it's an underrated source of lore.

[@justincooper1884]

@@joythought Bad fan-fic is in no way a source of lore. It is what it is, bad fan-fic

[@awesomehpt8938]

God created Arrakis to train the faithful. One cannot go against the word of god

[@stelampology]

Hallelujah! Your Dune content is THE BEST, by far! I’ve been jonesing. THANKS!!!!!!!

[@jdm5570]

I take it we aren't counting the Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert books? When did the fandom remove them from canon? It seems like a lot of people are only counting the resource book and the 6 originals.

[@josephnarvaez9507]

Many orthorodox herbertians reject Brian's books and its themes and wriitng as shit or stupid.

[@jdm5570]

@@josephnarvaez9507 Well I get that, but its kind of a subjective bar. I didn't like 3001, but its still cannon to the 2001 space odyssey books.

[@keirlogan5292]

I was always curious about where the worms came from. I've read the majority of dune series (admittedly long ago) and can't remember a definitive answer on where the worms came from.

[@Duneuniverse]

Great video bro, I’d love to be a fremen

[@wbrennan2253]

So. The "Dune Encyclopedia" exists.

[@aliali-ce3yf]

so the sardukar and freman share a common ancestor?

[@kronoscamron7412]

Also due to the buttlerian jihad and other great events, the religion of the imperium included elements of collective human experiences , as they were of the belief that religion is a living entity that evolves as the people evolve, like in the orange catholic bible (thou shall not make a machine in the likness of the human mind) . and also ended all research in AI and robotics, except on a small scale (planet ix from example was more lax in this field and continued to produce inventions in those fields) which garnered anger from the planets of the imperium and banning all ixian manufactured products. the human race was then forced to evolve the human mind itself without any reliance on machines, this in my opinion is what's missing in our human evolution, its noticeable that our reliance of evolution resulted in people without adequate skills and lowering our intelligence. take a man and leave him without any technology and he will be as dependent as a child, cant navigate without GPS, cant calculate without a calculator, cant reason or be productive without a computer. also the ban on psychoactive substances continues to further this state, as psychoactive substances make you understand yourself better and develop the voice of wisdom inside, research was done on extrasensory perception and the effect of psychoactive plants,fungi and drugs ,such as mushrooms,cannabis, peyote,and lsd. and the results were in line with dune's findings. psychoactive compounds awaken extra sensory perception and the voice within, it helps one reason without attachment or bias and look at situations in a correct way. therefore contributing to the development and evolution of the human mind.

[@TooMuchThought]

I love the Fremen, I was kinda sad that the movie removed their Islamic influence in the recent film.

[@andrew9371]

What are you talking about they doubled down on the Islamic influence the old movie removed it though

[@b_a_z_e_dv.2.067]

It's still there. Can't detach Dune from the inspiration that Frank had.

[@merlebarney]

Well let’s wait and see what happens in part two once it drops.

[@andrew9371]

@@merlebarney i hope it's gonna be the same director hes great

[@merlebarney]

@@andrew9371 Yup same director Denis Villeneuve.

[@matthewsermons7247]

"Legends of Dune" by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson was a fantastic trilogy in the Dune prequel series.

[@erkkinho]

Why the animation doesn't look like the fremens described in the book?

[@lasskinn474]

you could have gone in more depth, if there were, any political and/or financial reasoning for the forced migrations which basically make no sense whatsoever from functional perspective.

[@andrew9371]

Yeah honestly half way through i just said....why? Whats the point?

[@TheRezro]

@@andrew9371 Monarchy! Generally I assume that Emperor is a Russian.

[@InvictaHistory]

It goes unspecified in the Dune Encyclopedia which we used as our main source for this backstory. Motivation for the Empire was likely to use the Fremen as a first wave of colonists which they could move around without anyone really caring. It's also suggested that the frequent military raids were to keep the Sardaukar sharp

[@lasskinn474]

@@InvictaHistory but they moved half of them to a prison planet? it just doesn't seem like really well thought through. if there were inserted some character with prescience about spice or spacing guild, someone playing it on purpose keeping them at the level they were(not multiply too much and not dwindle too much) as to not mingle and lose their genetics or something like that would at least make some sense, like if it was known already when they were put on the first exodus by someone and then that's why it was suggested to the guy who 'made' the decision to send this nomad tribe that nobody cared about(while actually someone cared about them a great deal).

[@andrew9371]

@@lasskinn474 you didn't realize it did you.....the prison planet was selusa secundus....the sardakaur are part zensunni!

[@LaineyBug2020]

Could you do a version from the Prequels?

[@PetrucciIbiza]

Where are your sources for this? In the books I've read so far many things are different

[@PetrucciIbiza]

Oh I see you didn't include Brian Herbert books. Not so sure if you are up to date

[@justincooper1884]

@@PetrucciIbiza Brain's bad fan-fic isn't required to be up-to-date.

[@adamplentl5588]

Brian Herbert is ick. ​@@PetrucciIbiza

[@ciba602]

First of all, i love your work guys! But all of this seems odd. Kevin J. Andersson with Herbert's son, Brian wrote prequell series talking stories before the Guild was found (10 000yr in past). The books tell stories about the Butlerian Jihad, and during that time are already some zensunni setlements on Arrakis. Also during Butlerian Jihad, Terra was totally burnt to nuclear ember in a war against The Machines. All this is around 100 B.G. So how could the Empire sent the zensunni from Terra at 2800 A.G. if there should be no Terra by that time and zensunni shloud already be on Arrakis? I read that K.J. Anderson and B. Herbert found Frank's notes about Dune, dune's universe and his plans for the saga and according to that, they together finished the saga and wrote series of prequels. So i guess all of their work should be canon. Take care!

[@SciFiGuy72]

It'll be cool if they ever try making another adaptation of this...The last one, in 1984, was pretty good, then they just stopped.

[@thelostcosmonaut5555]

I cant tell if youre being sarcastic but have you not heard of the Dune movies that just got made?

[@johnrusso2661]

I would like to see about the units and structure of the Hunnic army

[@Emmanuel36990]

Why does this sound so different from the books of brian herbert and kevin anderson, are they not cannon?

[@mokhtaramran7041]

so are the fremen and Sardaukars related from a common ancestry?

[@prsimoibn2710]

If only you knew Arabic, you would understand the true meaning of those words. 💪🏻🔻

[@codename495]

Translate then poopsie.

[@sharkquisha3407]

Of course 🔻🔻🔻

[@ogfoundation]

13:36 They wanted to go "back" to Selusa Secundus, the prison planet from which they escaped?... you sure u don't mean Porotrin?...

[@InvictaHistory]

Apparently in the Dune Encyclopedia the idea is that the Lost Ones had actually escaped Salusa Secundus and found a new home

[@viniciusribeiro6451]

I have a theory that Paul Atraides is a reencarnation of a sandworm.

[@pmg83]

The timeline mentioned does not fit with Legends of Dune because Tera was nuked & destroyed to wipe out AI Civilization during The Butlerian Jihad. No human life could have existed on Terra circa 2800 AG because it was a nuclear waste. Also Freemen / Zensunni cult had already reached Arrakis through a crashed ship before the establishment of the Guild (the AG era)

[@andrewphillips8341]

Where did you get your images from, Google AI? Did the Dune universe become "California"?

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

I always thought it was 'Harmonthep'?

[@keirfarnum6811]

Heighliner is pronounced “high-liner”; not “hay-liner.” 8:34

[@PHAL__]

Isn't the Sardukar also descendants of the zensunni?

[@FireEverLiving]

In the books, are Zen and Sunni-Islam treated kind of seriously, or is it more of an orientalist "cool but wacky foreign religion" take, or is it downright dismissive? (I'm not searching for reasons to write off these novels as cultural imperialism or whatever, it's just interesting that these religions were mentioned in this lore written several decades ago, and I'm curious how they were seen in the Western cultural zeitgeist of the time.)

[@balabanasireti]

That's a good question

[@subhashishdey4010]

​@@FireEverLiving this is just my opinion, but influences of the two religions are masterfully blended. Whereas the fremen reflect the general idea of what Arabs around the time of Prophet Muhammad might have been like, Paul's long meditation passages are very Buddhist sounding, as if he is a Buddha. If you read it, you can really tell that the writer studied both religions.