THE BUTLERIAN JIHAD (War of the Thinking Machines in DUNE) EXPLAINED

[@nathandanner4030]

“What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking-there’s the real danger.” ― Frank Herbert

[@marcusaaronliaogo9158]

“Nah, they go pew pew and want people ded because of some contrived reason.”- Brine Herbert.

[@annoyed707]

Your attitude to the work of "Brine Herbert" seems a bit...salty.

[@gyrow1684]

Seeing how students use chatgpt to write their essays instead of articulating their own thoughts and feelings makes it scary

[@marcdavies7046]

To be fair, the Butlerian Jihad books would have been better written by ChatGPT than by Brian Herbert.

[@breh9320]

@@marcdavies7046would u explain why?

[@maxhill7065]

I think my favorite part of the whole Dune story is how Brian had absolutely no idea his father was a world-renowned space opera writer until someone at school asked him if his father was "THE Frank Herbert?"

[@herscher1297]

Yeah, brian isnt the brightest. I dont know if i would call dune a space opera.

[@allamericanslacker2378]

@@herscher1297 It's definitely not a space opera. Dune was a book, not a script meant to be performed on stage.

[@ThatGuy-ht9sp]

Brian is the worst thing to happen to the Dune universe. (to read his books is horrible, but surprisingly the audiobooks are way easier to tollerate, even enjoy)

[@firstsgt279]

@@allamericanslacker2378 Though by definition... Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes space warfare, with use of melodramatic, risk-taking space adventures, relationships, and chivalric romance. Space opera has been defined as "a television or radio drama or motion picture that is a science-fiction adventure story" Set mainly or entirely in outer space, it features technological and social advancements (or lack thereof) in faster-than-light travel, futuristic weapons, and sophisticated technology, on a backdrop of galactic empires and interstellar wars with fictional aliens, often in fictional galaxies. The term has no relation to opera music, but is instead a play on the terms "soap opera", a melodramatic television series, and "horse opera", which was coined during the 1930s to indicate a clichéd and formulaic Western film. Space operas emerged in the 1930s and continue to be produced in literature, film, comics, television, video games and board games. An early film which was based on space-opera comic strips was Flash Gordon (1936), created by Alex Raymond.[3] Perry Rhodan (1961-) is the most successful space opera book series ever written. The Star Trek TV series (1966-) by Gene Roddenberry and the Star Wars films (1977-) by George Lucas brought a great deal of attention to the sub-genre

[@firstsgt279]

@@allamericanslacker2378 List of space opera media: Novels and series Edison's Conquest of Mars (1898) by Garrett P. Serviss Buck Rodger's Armageddon 2419 A.D. (1928) by Philip Francis Nowlan The Skylark series[4] (1928-1965) by E. E. "Doc" Smith Arcot, Wade and Morey (1930-32) by John W. Campbell The Lensman series (1934-1948) and The Vortex Blaster (1960) by E. E. Smith Empire (1945-1951), and Foundation series (1942-1999) by Isaac Asimov[6] Federation series (1952-1964) by H. Beam Piper Starship Troopers (1959) by Robert A Heinlein Known Space (1964-present) by Larry Niven Dune (1965-present) by Frank Herbert

[@_Jay_Maker_]

Someone already mentioned that the "Butlerian Jihad" as depicted here is from Brian Herbert's interpretation of his Father's universe. I'll go even further and state that he's entirely incorrect in his presentation of what the "Jihad" actually was, and why: Herbert's original series is _all_ about Humanity's retreat and defense against a singular threat: total stagnation. We see it occur during Leto II's reign in _God Emperor of Dune,_ and the whole point of that book was Leto pointing out how completely destructive total abandonment to a singular ideology and expectation was. The "Butlerian Jihad" as loosely explained in the original _Dune_ books resulted from the entirety of Humanity giving into Artificial Intelligence - not "deadly, killer robots," but literally _surrendering their ability to think, make decisions and have the human experience_ in favor of AI making all the decisions for them. Sound familiar? All of _Dune_ is based on the ruling groups (Bene Gesserit, Mentats, Guildsmen, Tleilaxu, etc.) achieving a reclamation of their humanity though various means, mentally, physically, emotionally, biologically - it's a resurrection of human control and a _mastering_ of it. The Bene Gesserit literally test Paul Atreides to see if he is a human being and not one to give in to the simplicity of base, animal reaction - the same desires that give people the impulse to stagnate. The Harkonnens define that impulsiveness. One of the tenets in the book was "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind." This isn't a testament to "don't make robots," it's an anti-slavery declaration. "Don't surrender your ability to be human to something that cannot think for itself." It wasn't a war against killer robots. It was a war against humanity's own desire for laziness, a war of humans against humans. It's less "explode the Terminator" and more "smash that PC with this sledgehammer, and don't let anyone stop you" - hence a "Holy War," with people who support stagnation vs. those who don't. The perfectionist ruling powers of Frank Herbert's universe are the ultimate examples of that - and their failures are why the "freedom to be a human being" is the ultimate message of Herbert's original novels - incomplete as they are. Brian Herbert didn't understand his Father's universe.

[@michaeladdison2609]

Like you say the greater theme of the novels regards the idea of human progress/stagnation. "Don't make thinking machines because they'll eventually enslave or extinct humanity and that'd be the end of human progress" fits that theme. So humans banned the competition and gained a protected space to catch up. Once humans had caught up it'd have fostered stagnation to keep the ban in place. So the ban is quietly removed and wild evolution allowed to continue. When I first read the books a long time ago I also had the impression that the jihad wasn't humans rebelling against psychopathic/genocidal AI but humans realizing they'd surrendered their agency to AI and deciding to smash the thinking machines to take it back. Given that read the later books do seem revisionist. You don't need to read the two takes an necessarily inconsistent, though. It could've been both. It kind of had to have been both for the jihad to have gained such a large following. I can't see a call to willingly forego convenience ever catching on otherwise.

[@appipoo]

I have only seen the Villeneuve movie but even I can see you are completely right.

[@stuartburns8657]

Well articulated OP 👍👏

[@demukazz]

This is good and deep review - you should do some more for other pop culture universes

[@jcs1025]

Spot on. You hit exactly on what my problem is with the expanded lore. It turned the Butlerian Jihad into a Terminator story.

[@TheDartFrog]

damn, using AI-generated images in a video about the butlerian jihad must be some of the most ironic shit ever

[@redadmiralofvalyria867]

Pretty sure their not all a.i

[@brandonhaag52]

@@redadmiralofvalyria867pretty sure some of them are :P lol

[@lapsedpacifist800]

All I know is I read Brian's and Kevin's butlerian trilogy years ago and I've never seen anything that matched what I saw in my head while reading it this well

[@anidemolimacnauj]

@@redadmiralofvalyria867 come on, some have 6 fingers

[@incarnateflame2312]

Pretty sure there's no irony to be had in what you said

[@severalracoons9315]

Am I a dune fan? No. Will I watch this hour long video because I want Dune fans to have nice things? Yes.

[@robotkade9107]

your joking right dune is awesome

[@apollo4657]

Well…thank you. 🙏🏻😂

[@severalracoons9315]

@robotkade9107 I didn't know anything at all about dune prior to FCEs videos on dune and it's been interesting so far so I'll probably be picking up this franchise in all honesty cause this video was dope

[@elusiveDEVIANT]

Uses the voice: explain yourself.

[@joshgreen2164]

As a dune fan, i thank you greatly

[@jarrydharris1016]

I’m not really sure how to articulate this but considering what the lore is and the difference in technology between the Jihad and the current dune universe is absolutely astounding. I know it’s sci-fi but the try and comprehend the level of technology they had access to hurts my brain lol

[@SurelyYewJest]

Ys, it's interesting to consider a future where Humanity tries and fails with thinking machines and has to wipe the slate clean, so to speak, and use their biology as the basis. In our reality it would be hard to see how that would happen without thinking or at least very complex, calculating and prediction machines. Right now it would appear that the only way humans can live beyond the mortal coil is to transpose their minds into a computerized form with accompanying machine components and hardening against elements on planets or in space.

[@clemfandango5908]

It’s very foundation esc

[@polong99]

Its easy.. just think of Terminator. Just in this case the humanity win.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

yeah keep in mind that he retells the retconed version of Dune Lore of Brian Herbert, not the original one of Frank Herbert. There was no "Terminator/Matrix" Maschine War in Frank Herberts Dune, but a fundamentalist, thechnophobe religious Extremist Group (The Butlerians) that forced their fringe position upon humanity, after winning their centuries of crusade against the less ignorant humans.

[@carlosandleon]

@@polong99this is way beyond skynets abilities

[@toybonniebon]

A 1 hour lore video. Did not expect this.

[@UltFemWarrior]

Same. Didn’t expect this

[@paizessays6754]

I don't think any of us are complaining 😂

[@inyobase127]

Was not expected, but is very welcome

[@yodaslovetoy]

Like the Spanish inquisition, no-one expects it

[@grimm_comics]

Dune provides a mountain of interesting space opera lore and FCE loves deep stories. How could you not?

[@esvamapp]

this should be a series of its own. so much to explore with plenty of action

[@The1976spirit]

40.000 Posbi fragmental spacecubes just shattered the Borg copycats and are hungry for new prey.

[@keylepXD95]

Si, starwars se volvería una película infantil a comparación de una trilogía de la jihad butleriana

[@ronburgundysmustache6717]

This didn't even feel like an hour long. You definitely should do more of these in the future if you have the time and subject matter. This was awesome

[@Runeforged]

Amazing work! Thank you this is a treat.

[@griffendesai2039]

I think it’s important to note that everything in this video is from the expanded dune universe created by Frank Herbert’s son, Brian Herbert, as well as Kevin j Anderson. There is some contention in the fan community about whether or not these stories are “actually canon”. Mainly because a lot of the dates in these newer books conflict with some of the dates given in the “dune encyclopedia” by Willis McNelly and Frank Herbert. A lot of the themes also seem kind of contradictory to the themes of the original books. Another big part of it is that all of these books were created after Frank’s death. Its very apparent that his words are not a part of all of this. The books themselves are still cool though, it’s nice how they offer a different perspective on the dune universe. Most fans just like the consider them a separate canon from the main 6 books.

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

Did the son only work on the past (before the events of dune) or did he also wrote what happens after the original books?

[@griffendesai2039]

@@GoldenLeafsMovies he has written prequel books, which is where all of this info comes from, As well as sequel books, and books that take place in between the original dune books. All of this was after Frank’s death.

[@And_Rec]

He wrote prequels to justify his sequel fanfiction retconning many elements

[@spudthepug]

The Brian Herbert books are the only continuation we’ll ever get. Everything written after Frank’s death is and will be fanfiction.

[@VandalAudi]

I've seen many sources cited that in Frank Herbert original visiob, the Jihad was never about man vs machine, but man against other men who used thinking machines to subjugate others. Like writers revolting againsts studios who use AI to produce scripts. Frank's vision is a more sensible explanation of the Bene Gesserits plan, the development of mentats, the Tlelaxu bio engineering, as they all share the common theme of progressing humanity's development. AI was a crutch that held back that development, it made people irrelevant therefore not in control of Humanity's destiny.

[@aggonzalezdc]

All the footage lifted from EvE Online really makes me want to pick up the game again. Such an awesome game.

[@shix13]

do it!!! come back to the fold, brother!

[@jasonwatson9127]

Thank you for mentioning where the footage came from. (EvE Online) 👍

[@SunTzuLao]

I wonder if my character is still there, ahh excel online

[@kennenite2092]

same man same!

[@ciprianbaciu3990]

listening to this while playing Eve online, doing some HS ratting in a Gila

[@CrapLuckSimon]

So that's where WH 40k gets the term 'Omnissiah' and cogitators from. Neat.

[@me67galaxylife]

And also the whole AI war and it's banishement. And they also copied the "imperium" the "lasguns", the "god-emperor"...

[@hisLoneliness2961]

​@@me67galaxylifenavigators too

[@skully90]

@@me67galaxylife what's with the recent meme this week of everyone saying "IA" instead of AI?

[@me67galaxylife]

@@skully90 fast typing or a new term i'm not aware of

[@_Azurael_]

@@skully90 In latin languages its IA and not AI... Maybe some latin mixed with the english? AI = Artificial Inteligence IA = Intellectus artificialis (Latin), Inteligência Artificial (Portugues), Inteligencia artificial (Spanish), Intelligenza Artificiale (Italian), Intelligence artificielle (French), Inteligența artificială (Romanian)

[@octavius9685]

It really sucks that the prequel books are so hated by purists. I think the Butlerian Jihad and the Cymech story arc would be fucking AMAZING for the big screen. Perfect for a trilogy & even multiple side-series. I really wish the Dune maniacs could see the potential in the much maligned prequel books

[@craigmusa2254]

As someone who loves Dune i love the extended story line outside of the 6 books

[@QuantumChance]

It's interesting how Irulan's statement on the human mind needing a challenge to exist and survive and even thrive reflects strongly on the concept of fremen austerity and pragmatism. The desert is a challenge that strips away the decadent and soft, leaving only the necessary and hard.

[@DirByHasan]

God made Arrakis to train the faithful

[@brennansmith6474]

​@@DirByHasanFuck god

[@23uncbball]

Made my day bro, you guys cut 60 hours of audio book to a consumable 1 hrs video; like a fremen with a knife you cut the good points for mass consumption. Most impressive.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

its primarily Brian Herberts retconned dune lore, not the original Frank Herbert dune lore.

[@JP8POL]

Thank you. This book trilogy was a great joy to me as a teenager.

[@Robert-hz9bj]

I never much cared for the expanded universe novels these stories came from. In the original Dune series, the Butlerian Jihad is (vaguely) discussed as more of a sociological movement than an actual war, in which humanity struggled in more of a political and social sense. I always felt that Brian Herbert's book cheapened the themes of the story by turning this concept into a shittier version of the "War Against the Machines" you keep hearing about in the Terminator franchise. The whole point of destroying the thinking machines, as envisioned by Frank Herbert, was the realization by humanity that machine intelligence had lessened their existence and cheapened their lives, causing them thus to collectively embrace a new, radically human-centric version of civilization. The stories by his son just turned it into a generic sci-fi conflict we've seen in dozens of other properties...

[@ziegfeld4131]

There is literslly a line about killer robots lol

[@TheTonyEntertainment]

Where? ​@@ziegfeld4131

[@IamHecx]

Part 2 is going to be EPIC! Thank you!

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

We actually need 9 movies to tell the whole story! A tv series would be more appropriate as the story is too big to have a book a movie and would need to be more in-depth to see the story told properly. We don’t need another GOT debacle 😂

[@GM-xk1nw]

@@thearmchairjournalist566 Most tv series are trash so hopefully no.

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

@@GM-xk1nw sorry I can’t agree there, there are heaps of people excellent tv series that have been brilliant, just because some don’t achieve expectations doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try with this story!!

[@skinnygirlstretchmarks]

@@thearmchairjournalist566 it wouldnt, theyd drag it out and stray from the original story to 'add their views and ideas' into the show.

[@brotherjohnnyxXxX]

A 5h long movie (part one and two, 2h 35m each) is enough time to cover the basic plot and main theme of the story.

[@wavydavy9816]

During the lockdown I read the entire Dune series (including prequels) in order and it's such an epic story with so few loose ends that it truly is a remarkable piece of science fiction. And you have certainly done the first part of that some justice here. Most entertaining. Thanks. (An equally well written fighting fantasy title is the Second Apocalypse series by R Scott Bakker comprising 7 books, some of which are hard to come by. Another masterclass).

[@ventrueinconnu3527]

This is my favorite thing you've done on your channel. Thank you muchly for it! You adding in shots from Eve Online's Amarr Empire didn't hurt, either.

[@stevewalton7034]

I was just scanning the comments to see if anyone else saw the Eve space battles.

[@louistafoya1288]

This would be so awesome in a movie! Most people do not realize how intense the Dune lore is and how cool some of the ideas and stories are.

[@herscher1297]

Especially the real dune books and not the stuff brian "wrote"

[@richm298]

These prequels are great! All the folks butt hurt that they aren’t from Frank himself need to get a life.

[@herscher1297]

@@richm298 you are probably to young to understand the difference between these books

[@richm298]

@@herscher1297 LOL. I’m in my 40s numb nuts. I’ve had hard copies of the originals since I was a kid. And read them many many times. Don’t be dumb with your uninformed opinions on people and the world. Frank Herbert would likely despise you for being so ignorant.

[@ziegfeld4131]

​@@herscher1297gonget a life like he told you

[@jdfigs5916]

Never thought we get a hour long video but a welcome one

[@taviss2775]

This video is criminally unreviewed! Amazing work man!

[@AtamskArchadian]

I just yesterday reached the end of the sixth book in the main Dune saga, if you could call it that, and I have to say that Erasmus is probably in my top 3 for favorite A.I characters. In my opinion he is an entity of nearly pure intellect, driven almost primarily by a hunger for knowledge and experience, yet he has these human traits like humor, guilt, pride, enjoyment, humility and most surprising to me, if I’m not misreading him, yearning.

[@swordmonkey6635]

Did you read the three books from the prequel trilogy: The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade, and The Battle of Corrin?

[@AtamskArchadian]

@@swordmonkey6635 Yeah I’m actually making my way through them now as a matter of fact. I’m enjoying learning how the machine empire rose and fell. It’s funny how just one instance of misjudgment can lead to the downfall of an entire empire, the machines in this case. All their power counted for very little.

[@sasezsas3574]

I was captivated by your rendering of the Jihad and was very sad when it ended. I loved how the last book ended. I read and listened to the ending over and over again. It was an ending, and I never wanted the ending to end. Brian Herbert & Kevin j Anderson did an excellent job, and it was a huge undertaking for them both. The only reason more books were written was because of Brian. He knew his father kept notes on all of his work and was never able to find anything related to any book. When years and years of his father's notes and work were found he knew he had to complete his father's work. The audio books on audibles have the full story about how this happened and why. Talk about a son who loves his father and another kid who loves books. They both knew they could not write like Frank, but they had to try anyway and try they did. Brian and Kevin, I am sure, have Frank's blessing. A son's love for his father carried Dune a long, long way. I love those books!

[@magister.mortran]

Brian Herbert's books are in contradiction to his father's vision (e.g. the two characters at the ending of the last book) and were just plain action without much thought, while Frank Herbert's books had little action and mostly dialogues. The books of Brian Herbert were just an attempt to squeeze more money out of his father's legacy. The alleged notes of his late father were a blunt lie in order to give more legitimacy to his mediocre books.

[@yogisie]

I mean. This is absolutely FANTASTIC! As a huge fan of all the Dune prequel novels, I freaking LOVE this! Thank you!

[@JamesLewis007]

Why? Why are you a fan of the prequel novels. Please explain your affliction.

[@jamesmccann531]

​@@JamesLewis007 Why? Why are you hating on someone for having an opinion? Please explain your affliction.

[@richm298]

@@JamesLewis007 these books stand on their own and are great reads. No one cares that you have some elitist Dune complex.

[@thomasel9171]

​@@richm298of all the scifi books, dune should have purists and elitists. It's not just some scifi novel that is a contained simplistic story, it's almost like a Bible for the future.and then brian Herbert plays with toys in his books.

[@richm298]

@@thomasel9171 bible for the future? 😂 I got a tall glass of spice juice for ya buddy

[@DaddyHensei]

I am constantly impressed at the sheer depth of the Dune universe. A true iceberg.

[@matthewsmith1779]

This isn't cannon, though. This isn't the Jihad Frank created. There was no Skynet type struggle against thinking machines. The Jihad Frank wrote was about men with thinking machines fighting other men with thinking machines.

[@julianp3060]

Amazing job with this piece, i love the depth that you brought to this incredible lore story. Also as a 10 year vet of Eve Online I truly enjoyed the use of the footage ( there's a non-zero chance my Super was in one of those shots)

[@rblprd]

@@banhammer3904War of the League of Nobles title card (6:42) is a massive fleet warp-in from Spreadsheets in Space, most of the space footage after that about said war is also Eve.

[@edvfya9922]

I haven't read the books so I didn't think there was an hours worth of lore on this subject, this is very interesting. From other videos I've seen the Jihad has apparently mostly been glossed over in favor of other events, thanks for this 👍:

[@VampireHub616]

Read the books bro.

[@herscher1297]

Most dune fans and thus most dune video makers dont think that brians books are canon. In the original dune books the jihad is rearly talked about and had a much different flavour.

[@TheSailor69]

Love the EVE ONLINE clips added, I play that game all the time it’s amazing 😂😅 Your in-depth analysis is by far top tier

[@SnatchMeese]

Awesome video. I really appreciate you explaining the butlerian Jihad. The recent dune movie got me into the series and I was curious about the jihad as the movie barely mentions it. I had listened to quinns ideas channel which helped me understand more of the dune series timeline but not the end part you had here. You're a really good narrator! Thank you for all the content!

[@whom382]

A lot of us consider this version of the Butlerian Jihad absolute dogshit. It is the lame fan fic that his son came up with after Frank's death.

[@jorgediazguerrero]

​@@whom382 Let the others be happy...

[@pmarkc3743]

God this was so well made!!!!!!!! I follow channels that only make Dune lore stuff but nothing ever made as informative than this!!! well done dude!!!!

[@RARDingo]

Gotta love the irony of AI generated images about a war against AI....

[@incarnateflame2312]

That's not irony at all

[@orsonzedd]

@@incarnateflame2312 that is literally definitionally irony

[@J-old]

The background, videos, animations and art finds were fantastic as was script. Perfect companion for Dune novices & great appetizer for the movie.

[@Solaxe]

90% AI sloop which is so ironic given the topic of this video

[@BlackTemplarChaplain]

well 2 cups of coffee and an awesome narration of lore i didn't even notice time passing good job mate

[@cinemaipswich4636]

We are now at the dawn of A.I. I read all the Dune books 50 years ago, but I did not pay attention to the war against the "thinking machines". Now we are on that cusp, and need to think harder about the benefits and burdens of A.I.

[@blam320]

The AI we are developing now is nowhere near as sophisticated as a genuine thinking machine.

[@ShouPow]

Also it seems the "moral" of the story of the butlerian jihad is that the thinking machines themselves were never the issue, but, yet again, the greed of humans who think they're better than everyone else... As the actual machine enslavers were merely human minds in robot form. Robots, tech, ai, etc are just tools and themself cannot cause harm without being guided to do so by individuals/systems with perverse motive. This actually reflects how AI is developing in our contemporary world. Ai is an amazing tool (in all of its iterations) from nice rice cookers, to programs that synthesize pools of data. Ais dangers to humanity are really only framed by the intent of the greedy to replace humans and manipulate the truth.

[@johncurtis6462]

The events of Brian's books are not considered Canon by a lot of Dune fans because they lack the depth and are at times contradictory to his father's work. I am one of those fans. Everything is in the 6 books, and the Encyclopedia, which Frank approved of. Frankly, I don't think Brian understands his Dad's work.

[@ziegfeld4131]

Lol the Encyclodedia contradicts the novels a ton you "purists" are idiots

[@koko40800]

Well Brian (and any assistants/ghostwriters) added new stories and depth to the Duniverse, as flawed as some of it may have been...and some of us are skeptical of literary 'Canons' on general principle

[@bhedgepig9653]

absolute fanfiction tier. read much like the old 90s starwars books, even lifting quotes of characters right out of the original books not for any specific reason, just like the Starwars books, but clearly just to try and fit into the Universe. shame, I would have really loved to have enjoyed them but jeez... what was Brian and Kevin smoking to make them think they could tread in Franks steps?

[@KriticalKoitus]

I liked Brian's books, they're not as good as Frank's obviously but they're not bad. Just picked up Hunters of Dune at the library

[@wolf2965]

@@bhedgepig9653 Kevin wrote quite a few of those 90s SW books, including some rather meh ones - the similarity is not coincidental.

[@Nogdog945]

I love learning about the expansive lore of anything. It really puts the main story into perspective. I want to know what happened. Curiosity is not a sin, but we must exercise caution. That’s what I live by. You’re an amazing person Niyat. Keep up the amazing work and being a fantastic content creator.

[@Michael-ri9ve]

Search for gom jabbar podcast it blew my mind

[@victorrelmek2889]

Same. I did this with LOTR too. 😆

[@ManOfEck]

Thank you for not presenting this extremely cheesy manner. I and many other people greatly appreciate that.

[@ralphsexton8531]

A very well done and excellent video. And the more I learn about Dune, the more "Inspiration" I see in Warhammer 40k.

[@nathanpeak603]

this has been my favorite video recently. i have listened to it when i lay down in bed honestly 30+ times. I have looked for similar videos to no avail. even this page doesn't have any other videos of the same caliber/style. anyone have any recs? its the perfect long form story telling, i just cant say how much i dig it. its like if youre into wes anderson movies (i know thats a love or hate thing) and you come across the life aquatic, youre like damn! nothing else quite like it.

[@MichaelMartinussen]

Tak!

[@dwaugh2215]

this is so COOL! I love it and could not believe this was over an HOUR! You made an amazing job, my friend!

[@robertcusick9931]

Holy crap, Games Workshop has some splainin' to do. 40k basically "borrowed" like half of this story lol.

[@luvslogistics1725]

The Zerg, Aliens, Protoss, it’s all a meld

[@Galejro]

It's a bit more complicated than that. Dune certainly gave the inspiration, but the exact reasoning behind Butlerian Jihad and Rise of the Men of Iron are totally different.Especially considering the cosmology of 40k

[@ziegfeld4131]

40k stole everything there is nothing orginal there lol

[@madmachanicest9955]

Yes and no doing is the basis for a lot of 40K stuff but all these prequel nopples didn't start getting written until the 2010s so they're actually newer then40k

[@theprinceofallsaiyans_vegita]

Hate to break it to you, but in this instance, it's the other way around. These books where written long after 40k came up with the concept.

[@garionofriva7216]

Absolutely superb. No excess information, just pure descriptions of when, where, who and why.

[@kevinjohnson8220]

I read this 20 years ago and it's brilliant. The response was a bit underwhelming but this story is so cohesive it deserves to be turned into a series.

[@other-terrestriallifeform1851]

YES!

[@nunuonroad9969]

No video will do Erasmus’s character justice. Truly one of the most unique, likeable, hateable, and terrifying characters ever written

[@aubreybilskyrozier]

I think Frank Herbert was influenced by an early science fiction book titled “Erewhon” written by English author Samuel Butler and published in 1872. In the book there’s a society who bans all complex machines after it was realized that the steam engine could eventually evolve technologies that would become thinking machines. And that that would likely eventually lead to the demise of mankind. I admit I haven’t had time to watch this entire video yet, but I’ve yet to hear anyone explore this theory or validate it with any actual evidence. It does seem like it would be a pretty big coincidence though.

[@Einwetok]

They weren't wrong. Even for steampunk you had the Babbage machine.

[@JamesLewis007]

Most of this video isn't about the cannon as Frank Herbert intended it. It's in reference to the childishly bad fanfuction books his son wrote.

[@Einwetok]

@@JamesLewis007 So say we all.

[@magister.mortran]

You are right, and it is commonly known that Samel Butler is where Frank Herbert had the name "Butlerian Jihad" from. Neither the prequels written by his son after his death nor the Encyclopedia of Dune that he authorized for commercial reasons reflect his original idea of the Butlerian Jihad.

[@StoneCorazon]

Lots of IP’s explore this concept

[@obsidian00]

I REALLY hope that there will be a theater or two that will run BOTH parts of DUNE on opening night...I have NO problem in dropping the extra coins needed to make that happen!

[@realmchat6665]

Epic video, great writing, narration and visuals, well done, thanks to all involved.

[@ashlindemeritte7593]

My wife is giving birth but it can wait FCE just uploaded.

[@filmcomicsexplained]

NO IT CANT! Tend to your wife brother, FCE can wait. Unless this is a massive troll, in which case, well played, good sir.

[@greenkoopa]

He got you Niyat 🐢

[@adamlewellen5081]

Don't worry while you lay listening the every breath of you new born and momma finally sleeping this will keep you company....

[@ashlindemeritte7593]

​@@adamlewellen5081yes today is a good day

[@adamlewellen5081]

@@ashlindemeritte7593 been there done that 3 times.. enjoy your sleep, you will miss it.

[@darkcosmos88]

This story seems 100x more epic and entertaining than sand and sandworms and spice.

[@paulgrangergranger8256]

Bro I agree 100% ... I'm really not looking forward to the next dune movies about sand and Sandworms

[@MrAlexAggro]

Unfortunately the Butlerian Jihad book is god awfully written, it's like a shitty first novel from some rando in a college writing class.

[@MassEffect1988]

I'd LOVE to see a lore video like this, gping over the history of the Matrix timeline 👍 we saw a but of it in the Animatrix but I'd love a in depth analysing 🙏

[@Tonytonytonyyy]

Yesssss!!! I have my own trouble with Kevin and Brians version of the bultierian jihad yet… Erasmus was amazing character. Zufa Cenva was gravely misused. I wish Frank would have finished the last book so we can know what really chases the honored mothers back into the old empire. I find it hard to think it was the machines given the evidence by Frank. However Niyat did it man! 🎉

[@marcusaaronliaogo9158]

The brian herbert series and frank herbert’s series fits like putting a square cube on a triangle hole.

[@ziegfeld4131]

Frank does write multiple charcters having visons of machines destroying humanity so not a big jump there

[@unknownpwn428]

Great narration, Neyat. Impeccable as always.

[@greenkoopa]

Niyat...are you gonna upload ALL your Dune videos together as one massive homunculus???

[@filmcomicsexplained]

ooooow never thought about that, but sure, just before Dune 2, I could add all the lore videos together into the one massive homunculus as you suggested lol

[@greenkoopa]

​@@filmcomicsexplained you know better than most how goofy my ideas are when I'm high...how about a "big worms" compilation with the sand worms and graboids and...others...I think the worms from Prometheus and Beetlejuice 🤔🐢 Have a great day

[@YODAJJ]

@@filmcomicsexplained that would be amazing

[@publicprofilename4273]

This is a very thorough and accurate condensation of the Jihad. Thank you! If you've already done so, I'll find out in a minute, but if not, I urge you to go farther, back and forward. There's a lot more lore to help people discover. I'm checking out your other videos now, so if you've already done that, thank you for that as well.

[@richm298]

Love the original 6 books and love these prequels as well. Could not GAS less that they aren’t considered canon. They are canon for me.

[@theultimutblitz1214]

A fantastic video!! Thank you! These are my favourite 3 Dune books and I have read them many times, the hardest part to get past is when omnious uses a clone of Serena Butler and Harkonnen tries to stop the attack because he wants to save the woman who, after all initiated the jihad. Knowing this is the pivotal point that house Atreides and House Harkonnen become enemies after being such close friends for a long time is frankly heartbreaking. Never read a book that does that. Would love to see these as movies!!

[@kazumahazeuzumaki]

Awesome video, great job. Always enjoy your content.

[@filmcomicsexplained]

Thanks Barry!

[@greenkoopa]

Do you have a shotgun?

[@luckybadgerapples]

Amazing video. I couldn't stop listening to it. Dune is by far my favorite series in all of science fiction and fantasy.

[@timotheegoulet1511]

This is great stuff. Also love how you used a lot of video cut scenes from Eve Online @

[@kaz5150619]

Wish id seen this b4 seeing Dune pt2 today quickly becoming my fave sci fi reality. Advanced tech and yet STILL put emphasis on close range and h2h combat

[@Saltpork305]

This was great. Thank you for making it.

[@GopherChomper]

Watch the premiere of The Dune miniseries last night. Absolutely thought the whole time that I'd much rather be watching a show about how/why there is no AI in the Duneiverse. Thank you for scratching this itch for me. I had no idea this much detail about this massively formative event was fleshed out

[@keithzillner1805]

Thank you for blessing us with this great video!

[@jamesjonnes]

The problem with the story is that it greatly underestimates AI. But then again, predicting what something more intelligent than oneself will do is an impossible task.

[@louisazraels7072]

yeah I really dont see how humans could have won the butlerian jihad at all

[@playbookshowme484]

@@louisazraels7072 Omnious, I'm still not telling you.

[@chaos.corner]

You mean AI that hasn't actually been invented yet and whose capabilities are only speculation? Unless you're talking about drawing people with wonky fingers.

[@Rotoprism]

Oh sweet, a new Dune video. Thanks for the video.

[@filmcomicsexplained]

You are most welcome! Thanks for tuning in :)

[@skywolf2012]

All of this is amazing, wishing a big company besides Disney can make these into trilogies. I am very looking forward to Dune 2 ,and the new season of Foundation scifyz.😅

[@similaritiesendhere]

Wasn't Erasmus just one of the copies of Omnius? It became trapped and separated from Omnius Prime and developed its own personality. One of the major plot points of the prequel books is Omnius wanting to "update" Erasmus and reabsorb him into the Omnius Prime network.

[@fuckyomamafuckyosisterfuck6136]

Yes, he fell in a hole

[@And_Rec]

No those are Brian Herbert invention nothing to do with Frank work! He said Humans using machines not terminators, and secondly the last two characters are said explicitly to be face dancers not robots...

[@columlee6714]

Erasmus is one of the copies of Omnius who himself is one of the copies of Skynet. You can be sure if Frank Herbert wrote the prequel books he wouldn't of made it this mundane.

[@fuckyomamafuckyosisterfuck6136]

@@And_Rec frank left notes and unfinished manuscripts, his son mearly finished them. This IS ALL dune cannon

[@similaritiesendhere]

@@And_Rec The Butlerian Jihad was mostly detailed in the extended universe... which is what this video is talking about.

[@1983pety]

I'm a Dune fan, there are a few inacuracies but overall it's great work, I've enjoyed the reminder.

[@jdm5570]

Awesome work, and kudos. A lot of fans ignore all this as non-canon and I think that is a shame.

[@phillup17]

Best video you’ve done yet. I’m gonna be watching this a dozen times at least. Keep up the great work!

[@thruknobulaxii2020]

After a break of about twenty years, I just jumped back in at Dune Messiah. The more time that passes, the more relevant these books become. After all these years I’m still haunted by those closing scenes of Duncan in the hold, and the two beings: _Marty and ???_ _”Doesn’t he know how thin he’s spread?”_ ( from memory ) I just _ache_ to know where he was going with that.

[@magister.mortran]

These two beings at the end (Marty and ???) are the most prominent example where Brian Herbert deviated from his father's ideas. Frank Herbert meant them to be face dancers, not thinking machines.

[@levinelson3508]

@@magister.mortranhow do you know. I genuinely want to know. It bugs me all the time.

[@corwinberry]

A hour long! Dude thanks so much this had to take a ton of takes.

[@TomDog5812]

If only Brian Herbert had sold the Dune intellectual property to an actual novelist, such as Neal Asher, we might have had a wonderful saga instead of Jool Noret moping on a beach.

[@Vamps.1]

He wanted so bad to be an author like his daddy lol

[@ltvagabond]

​@@Vamps.1 ever read anything he wrote without a "co-author"? Ugh.

[@Vamps.1]

@@ltvagabond Lol no but I saw he has a book “The Garbage Chronicles” and that kinda says everything haha maybe he’s prescient and he was foreshadowing his involvement in the Dune series

[@PhoKingHell]

Solid use of EVE Online footage. The game's got great visuals for any sci-fi universe, and it fit the story pretty well.

[@shainewhite2781]

YES!! More DUNE lore!

[@merihimsolomon2331]

It's my 3rd time watching this all the way through. Thanks, man, for bringing goodness back

[@rmirkovich]

Love the video. Side effect: Now I wanna play EVE Online again.

[@feiryfella]

I know right! ;)

[@mitchelllawrence2798]

Brilliant narrating... I knew about the war with machines, but only in little detail. You've helped change that now, and I thank you.

[@whatwherethere]

The storyline from the expanding universe, diminishes what the original themes in Dune achieved. I may be the full text to little more nuanced. But getting it in a condensed and summarized format, really changes the understanding of Dune.

[@playbookshowme484]

the few sentences in the books actually pulls it off, but you have to read 6 books, its wasn't made for the internaaaatz

[@hulud]

I was 30 minutes in before I realized it was an hour long. This was great!

[@rk465]

Just my opinion, this time period in Dune would make for an outstanding HBO show, advanced AI, Cyborgs and robots VS Humanity across the galaxy. Let James Cameron produce it and you’ve got a smash hit on your hands.

[@mattskov2917]

It’s called battlestar galactica

[@brycehuff]

Love the use of EVE online space battles for the vfx!

[@jeffjohnson1966]

Never read the books, just watched the recent movie. Thank you for the lore breakdown. Understanding this universe more now!

[@apurbasharma9803]

I just watched a hour long video without realizing!!! Bravoo creator. Your story telling beats almost all the story teller I watched. Keep going man!

[@InSearchOfReality]

I've watched most of your Dune saga videos & this is by far the most epic (like the topic!). I feel that this subject ties together a lot of the core reasonings behind the Dune story. Will need to re-watch this while I consume the book & Part 2 of Villeneuves' adaptation.

[@mitchelllawrence2798]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[@qontoh2s872]

This was amazing! Very well done. Thank you!

[@DamoBloggs]

Awesome video. I really appreciate the effort that you went through to produce this. Kudos!

[@martincolvill5453]

This was soooooo cool. I, of course have read THE books. This, aside from differences in word pronunciation, was intense and wonderful. Thank you for undertaking this momentous part of DUNE history explained. The inclusion of various DUNE art to illustrate the words is mind blowing.

[@jsgdk]

I love Dune, its like 40k for adults.

[@everdinestenger1548]

Thank you for posing this. I read the whole Dune saga years ago and I love this explanation.

[@andrewlim9345]

Interestingly, the Cymeks seem to be modelled after B’omarr monks from Star Wars. Monks separated their brains from their bodies and placed them inside spider walkers. Kevin J. Anderson worked on several Star Wars Legends novels in addition to his Dune contributions.

[@asdisskagen6487]

It would not surprise me in the least if Brian ripped off massive amounts of backstory from Star Wars. He doesn't have a tenth of the talent his father did.

[@DB-wg1tz]

These stories were written long ago by Brian's Father. He just never got to put them in a book because he died....so his son found the story notes and expanded upon them. His father made all these before star wars. George Lucas even stated he took ideas from DUNE!

[@DJ_Joe_DC]

Amazing video I always catch your Dune videos

[@family26ful]

Freaking awesome well spoken story. Inspiring art as well.

[@TimelessTyranny]

Awesome :) Dude, please list video links for all the vid's episode! :)

[@X2yt]

It's sort of crazy to think that Omnius and Erasmus are quite possibly the most important two beings in the entire history of Dune universe. The events they instigated would reverberate through the universe until the end of time. And even weirder, both of them were there nearly at the start of history, and also were there basically at the very end.

[@BritGirlJay]

Yeah the fact the Omnius got brought BACK post Leto2 was a trip.

[@marcusaaronliaogo9158]

Brian herbert books are not canon

[@zonehd3433]

Don‘t forget Iblis and his partners in crime, they made the Butlerian Jihad as aggressive as possible, even though peace between Maschines and Humans was possible at many points, for example when Iblis convinced Serena to Marter herself to reignite the conflict!

[@ziegfeld4131]

​@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 cry some more they are get over it

[@playbookshowme484]

its true and it may be true

[@DerHammerSpricht]

The more I learn about the broader Dune lore, the more I succumb to the thoroughly enjoyable headcanon that Foundation takes place in the same universe thousands of years after The Scattering. Demerzel, the Last Thinking Machine, Clandestine Ruler of the Cleons ;)

[@scottkelly1685]

Late to the party here, but just listened this afternoon, and I'm in awe at your talent and keeping the energy going in an hour presentation. Nicely done! Question - where did you get the images from?

[@julianp3060]

I cant speak for the whole video, but a large part of the "space battle" imagery is promo footage from the MMORPG Eve Online. (full disclosure, I played Eve for 10 years, so I squealed with delight when i saw this)