The PROBLEM with Female DC Heroes

[@Claude203]

They be sleeping on Zatanna too😭

[@cmcanimations9970]

Hopefully not literally

[@somedorkydude6483]

​@@cmcanimations9970 hopefully litterally*

[@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario]

That especially pisses me off because she’s so fucking cool but her only really big appearances where we supporting characters, not but bad in it of herself but as someone who wants to get into the character, I would LOVE a show of her

[@Watch-0w1]

She should be part of the trinity intead of wonderwoman

[@MrDestroyah-kf6ov]

Mmm there’s four reasons I wanna see her more often

[@willbrgamer5137]

DC needs to give the spotlight to other female characters besides Harley fr

[@redram6080]

The male characters aren't doing much better under Batman's shadow tbf

[@willbrgamer5137]

@@redram6080 I cannot disagree with that, DC needs to stop making everything always be about Batman, even superman has been neglected.

[@realKarlFranz]

yeah, dc needs to remember that there are other female characters other than amanda waller, and harley quinn. at this point we might as well just replace the batman, superman and wonder oman trinity with harley quinn, amanda walller and kite man.

[@woodman3926]

DC: spotlight other female characters you say? Well then… here’s a new Poison Ivy series with her and Harley doing things…. What do you mean you want Wonder Woman? Who tf is that?

[@piccoloatburgerking]

@@willbrgamer5137 It can't be helped, other than Batman DC doesn't have a single character that is actually interesting and engaging, there's a reason DC always falls back on it because everything else bombs financially or critically. Sometimes both lmao.

[@M.R._BlueVO]

Female protagonists are never an issue, poor writing is. If a well-written Zatanna film was in theaters, I'd watch it immediately.

[@DDDAUNTLESS]

THIS 🔥🔥🔥

[@yourlittlebrotherGabrielReview]

There’s no need for a zatanna film. She needs to be in a Justice League dark movie and not be underpowered.

[@normadgarmez7026]

Same here. Just like the first Wonder Woman movie.

[@CCEkeke]

YES.

[@Fireclaw5588]

@@yourlittlebrotherGabrielReview nah bro WE NEED a Zatanna movie

[@dorrianbrooks9408]

Honestly, I want Wonder Woman to get an animated series just so I can watch her fight. Wonder Womans fights across some of the animated stuff have been some of the best.

[@eobardthawn6903]

Dude the fact that WW is even better then Batman, or on his level is insane. The potential is there for hella nice fights. Though i feel like animes do better with fighting. Was kinda pissed when Superman one shotted the world Forger, not even a fight just BS plot armor.

[@GiveonKing]

@@eobardthawn6903they did her so dirty in DCEU. Always making her use boring sword and hiding behind her shield and lasso

[@curt349]

I believe it's coming. I saw on a site the concept looks 4 characters like Circe and Cheetah

[@eobardthawn6903]

@@curt349 I rather see a buffed WW go against Justice League Threats. Cheetah is horrible. A crappy furry. Circe might be good or bad I don't know. I just know out of most DC and Marvel characters, WW has one of the worst sets of villians. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Spiderman, iron man have much better villians. In order to fix that writers need to make more good villians. Her one good villian is Ares though I'll give you that.

[@treymykel]

Get in line I've been talking about that for years

[@WonderWoman1041]

DC almost never wants to give any of their female characters content besides Harley and that’s just because she’s a Batman character and literally none of their characters except for maybe Superman matter to them compared to Batman. It’s crazy how little faith DC has in their female characters, especially Wonder Woman, given she has shown multiple times that her content sells and yet they just refuse to acknowledge it or are too stupid to see it. It’s such a shame.

[@JustinJulian-00]

They are also doing the same thing to male characters as well when have we ever get a Nightwing show or even lesser-known characters should get their own show

[@lordarekusanda]

Batman and Superman personality isn't about being sexist, they are called "World Finest for something

[@dillydraws]

@@JustinJulian-00 I do wish there were more Female villains, or at least more being used then just Harley. Like, I like Harley, she's pretty and stuff. But other female villains need that love as well. Batman is not Sexist. Let him punch a women pfft.

[@Superlad9494]

​@@dillydraws "the hammer of justice is Unisex"

[@Superlad9494]

​@@lordarekusandathey're only called that because they both appeared in that book for so long alongside Green Arrow and Aquaman during the time when only Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow and Aquaman (Adam Waterman) were allowed to be published in the 1950's before the introduction of Barry Allen, Arthur Curry, Hal Jordan, Ray Palmer and the return to action of the Hawks in current continuity (or the debut of the aliens in Pre-Crisis Earth-1) and it was more of a showcase book back then that also allowed the debut of Sandman and some of The Captain's and Hawkman's stories during the silver age alongside the usual 4...including later adding Black Canary to the Green Arrow segments or giving her a few spots too. If anything DC needs to go back to having book formats like that where team books and anthology series are for "lesser knowns" again. Overexposure of Superman and Batman is harming DC and I'm a Superman fan. Limiting the exposure of these two...especially Bruce will help. Just shift Big 3 mandate focus to Diana, she can play both ends and then when Superman and Batman both show up later...it will be more fantastic and surprising. Then if they need other regular show-ups for Diana, Arthur, Barry and Hal will do.

[@matildajumbo9372]

The fact that Harley Quinn is what comes to people's minds when you say "Female DC heroes" is criminal.🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Grenko]

especially when she IS a criminal

[@wonderwomanredson]

​@@GrenkoAnd worse than being a criminal, she is the Joker's girlfriend ☠️

[@mimorisenpai8540]

Im sure they will make her as Batman Gf in future

[@Knick3607]

They really need to make her a villain again.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

I miss when she was an obscure villain.

[@seralith]

Black canary is dope smh wish they gave her a proper series, same with huntress 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@LovethedemonWolf2.0]

same b ro

[@twincesseszeigler4366]

Sammeee

[@DitalianCole]

After I saw Black Canary in action in Young Justice and Justice League Unlimited, I said if she was an Amazon from Themascara, she'd give Wonder Woman a run for her money! Seeing her fight scenes, I was like DAMN!!!👍

[@dillydraws]

@@DitalianCole TBH I've always been more of a Green Arrow gal so I wished he showed up more. And no Arrow don't count. That's not the silly guy that is Green arrow, that's Batman with a bow.

[@normadgarmez7026]

Absolutely, I see the potential with these two lovely ladies.

[@mlgodzilla4206]

You don’t understand, DC needs to use Harley Quinn for the godzillionth time

[@SecretMagician]

After Joker 2 crashes and burns, I feel like both Joker and Harley Quinn will be taking a BIG break (almost to Green Lantern levels) in media.

[@eobardthawn6903]

Her character was butchered. She was best with Joker. But now i dont give a shit about her character. Would be interesting if she joined the Batfamily and became a love interest of Batman. She might be crazy but shes also way more loyal then any of his lovers, besides mabye WW.

[@kendi5391]

​@@eobardthawn6903So White Knight storyline?

[@Byrdstar6423-un3me]

I hate her now

[@woodman3926]

“Please bro just one more Harley based project bro I swear it won’t flop this time bro it will put us back on top bro please bro.” -Some random DC executive talking to Zaslav

[@blazingstorm9351]

Honestly if they make a Wonder Woman Animated Series, there are a few things that should be included: -Diana actually being a kind and caring person -A continous dynamic between Steve Trevor and Diana -Diana, Clark, and Bruce actualy being best friends -Most importantly…Diana with a greatsword and lasso.

[@JustinJulian-00]

Also they can extend the Greek mythology versions of the DC Universe with her own show

[@blazingstorm9351]

@@JustinJulian-00 That also, seriously, Comics or actual Mythology, so much potential storylines and devices they could use for Greek side.

[@antyep]

Also legacy characters involving Wonder Woman like Donna Troy.

[@username.exenotfound2943]

tbh should a warrior of peace even need a sword? UNLESS its against some heavy heavy hitter

[@MontenegroPlus]

I would love for it to adress the issue with The Amazons and their ouble standards, which have put Diana in a tough spot more than once and she care about their culture. Also: give her villains a proper line-up of recurring antagonists! There is more than two of them. :( Plus: WonderGirl

[@ImJusMoney]

one of the main problems is they dont give the best female dc characters movies/shows

[@TheSsjJoker]

Exactly it is a crime my queen Wonder Woman has not gotten a DCAU show

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

I'd like some Starfire and Raven rep in the movies

[@fm1668]

@@TheSsjJokerBecause it doesn’t sell. Wonder Woman has never sold well in the comics, even in her best runs. Her villains list is lacking and she couldn’t support her own animated series. It’s easy to say “this or that character should have there own series” but it’s far more complicated in reality.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@fm1668 being that of her being part of dc Trinity and being THE Female Hero, it should have already happened, like M says, it’s not that her villains are lacking but casuals don’t understand cuz wb wants to be Batman 98% of the time as much as I love the characters I also love wonder woman’s character as well…it’s a matter of care and good writing and understanding of the characters

[@jayrose8869]

No it’s because when they do decide to make a female superhero show they always hire DEI writers and directors. Ultimately making the show super cringy and alienating the core fans.

[@BaithNa]

Jason Iman said that during his time working at DC, they implemented a wide line mandate to push Harley as the "Fourth Pillar of DC Comics". Since then, we've see Harley get 4 movies, an animated series and a triple A video game. This is by design.

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

If anyone is going to be the fourth pillar of DC, its Dick Grayson/Nightwing (or the Flash).

[@fortcastellan1730]

From what I've heard, there was a time when she sold enough merchandise to justify that spot. Alas, that time has past, but they've yet to adjust their plans to the new reality.

[@Watch-0w1]

@@yourarchnemesis8453 I wish. But they gave up in making the Titan be primary league . They just went band together the justice league after disbanding them after last crisis event in comic

[@MontenegroPlus]

And I believe that, the proof is everywhere as you mentioned.

[@Homedepotorange]

So they picked the single worst female charecter possible to represent women? Like Harley is a walking example of how women shouldn't act, and she has no character outside of this. Harleys charecter is being mentally deranged

[@Cashmoneez]

Why wonder woman hasn’t got a god of war style game is beyond me. There are so many badass female protagonist in gaming like samus and Lara Croft that have aura out the ass in part bc they are women

[@TheStormbringer8751]

But those characters are grandfathered, or should I say GRANDMOTHERED in when it comes to the video game space. Any female character new to the space would no doubt be subjected to the online bull spit you see today.

[@neverbeganforme]

@@Cashmoneez OG god of war games though, not the trash reboots.

[@Cashmoneez]

@@TheStormbringer8751 you telling me motherfkin Wonder Woman fighting Greek gods wouldn’t get the grandfather pass lol

[@JustinJulian-00]

​The Norse God of war games are still canon in God of war the only thing they rebooted is the gameplay but otherwise lore wise it is still Canon that's what a soft reboot is so no God of war is not fully rebooted only the game play has been rebooted they didn't reboot the entire universe like the previous games didn't exist because they still do

[@neverbeganforme]

@@JustinJulian-00 you’re right, I meant to say continuation. But the new games are still trash to me.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Not just how much Harley Quinn has been shoved down our throats, it also how she’s characterized that sucks because they’re basically trying to make her DC’s Deadpool instead of Harley Quinn.

[@almessasorrow4950]

Still pissed about them making Cassandra Cain a sucky harper row so that Harley Quinn could shine in the movie. Mother fuckers just put harper row into the movie and foreshadow Cassandra Cain by finding one of David Cain's tapes and then introduce Shiva. As a matter of fact Shiva would have made a better villain, she constantly kills other villain's, would take most of the birds seriously(except Harley) and batman typically loses against her so they're on their own.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

Yeah Her character pretty much tied with joker and really in faith with his way of life but yeah they turn her into typical misunderstood anti heroes

[@vaporsaver]

None of the wonder girls were even in that Teen Titans cartoon smh, Wonder Woman and the Wonder Girls can't get any love. That Harley BoP movie was such an insult to BoP AND Cass Cain. It's also a crime most people dont even know who tf Zatanna is. WB is incompetent.

[@SecretMagician]

Apparently, Wonder Girl was in the background in the final season of Teen Titans as one of the heroes they recruited, but they couldn't say her name or reference her onscreen because of the DC embargo and Justice League Unlimited was still airing.

[@Oddash-lz6kw]

So apparently there's a reason why the Wonder Girls have never shown up in other media pre-2010s: DC has weird rules for how and where certain characters can show up (hence why Batman rarely shows up in live action TV shows. It was a DC rule). For Wonder Woman, there was a rule where she was not allowed to show up unless she was a main character. The DCAU Justice League allowed her but not the 2004 The Batman cartoon, even though the rest of the Justice League showed up in season 5. Apparently this rule also extends to her villains and supporting cast, hence why Donna or Cassie were exiled from the Teen Titans cartoon. It wasn't until Young Justice and Greg Weisman pleading on behalf of the Wonder family that DC negotiated the Wonder Woman contract to allow for these characters to show up more often. Aren't contracts fun, kids?

[@Superlad9494]

​@@Oddash-lz6kw actually The Batman would have allowed her in the finale, but since they couldn't find a good android design for her to face, they did a cop-out cut (as they had her design and voice actress already) instead of doing something so easy that it wasn't even funny. Just say Diana couldn't be duplicated and have her show up and save the boy's collective rear ends and razz Babs for not taking charge to keep the boys in line sooner only for Babs to say Robin's given her more than enough trouble because...she's not allowed to make that pun. The Wonder Embargo also really had more to do with Wonder Girl than Wonder Woman due to how JLU and Teen Titans were in production at the same time and both shows had a Wonder Chick-Fight. JLU wanted to be "Wonder Woman and the JLA" (as you see in JLU Diana acts more like Byrne/Rucka Wonder Woman than Atomic Age Bob Kanigher Wonder Woman), and have Donna and Cassie show up too, but Teen Titans also wanted Donna since they were loosely adapting the Wolfman/Perez run and wanted to have Dick, Donna, Wally, Gar, Vic, Kori and Rachel all together since that was the Teen Magnificent 7. DC got sick of in-fighting so *(In Susan Sullivan's Hippolyta voice shaking her sword at the writers with one hand and wagging her finger with the other)* "If you can't play nice with my daughters and niece Cassie, you can't play with them at all!"

[@akmon3490]

The executive Boomers at the top might have been alive when the comics were written but it seems they don't know what the market wants, to much coke fried their brains, can't learn anything new unless it has a billion in profit after it. And the middle management that delivers them reports and suggestions seems as incompetent, their only saving grace is that they didn't have BudLight kind of ideas. But it's never to late for Harley Quinn to transition and become the new Batman

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

this isn't just a female character issue, DC and Marvel as a whole are in a depressing state. they've been in a stale decline for like a decade.

[@larrywigginsjr.3355]

Agreed. It's like we're seeing the same recycled storylines over and over.

[@Antiprincipl3]

Dc hasn't done anything reasonable in years, marvel is Off and On at least, but I think the problem with DC is WB.

[@SarcasticEnchilada]

DC easily has the best female characters from the big 2 (Dc & Marvel) They have Zatanna, Starfire, Raven, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Hawkgirl, Big Barda, Vixen, Jessica Cruz, Artemis, Donna Troy, Black Alice, Talia Al Ghul, and so many more it’s not even funny. They’ve been seriously slept on

[@NHTube1]

Sue Storm (F4) and Storm (X Men)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[@artist0154]

@@NHTube1 for real, ironically the best X men are women and they have complete sagas around them Jean Grey, Wanda, Rogue, Emma Frost, Storm, Magik, Kitty Pride, and for the rest, Jessica Jones, Elektra, Black Widow, Wasp, Spider Ghost, Gamora, Mantis, these are characters that just by looking at them people now who they are and what to expect from them, and more importantly, they can work ON THEIR OWN (except for Wasp and She hulk) they can have their stories without introducing their male version first who knows about Black Alice? Big Barda? Vixen?, bro even put some villains there, lets be honest, besides the Teen Titan girls, WW and Zatanna, the rest are not a big hit, not in movies, series, cartoons, and not even in the comics, and if you want a batgirl, batwoman, supergirl, you NEED to put their male versions first. And thats without mentioning their messy story, everytime people want to talk about Donna, Huntress or Artemis is a can of worms, cause first you need to clarify what version and backstory

[@NHTube1]

@@artist0154 exactly

[@sabnock31]

And yet, we get fem Penguin because "there are not enough good female villains in DC".

[@space1734]

@@artist0154 who tf is Kitty Pride, Emma Frost and Magik?

[@corleonenightwing7410]

My top 3 dc female heroines 1. Batgirl (Barbra Gordon) 2. Wonder Woman 3. Catwoman Close 4th is starfire

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

My top 5 DC female heroines 1. Wonder Woman 2. Zatanna 3. Black Canary 4. Huntress 5. Cassandra Cain

[@corleonenightwing7410]

@FriendlyBatDoom Honestly underrated heroines. Those heroines are pretty cool. Black canary and zatana are good picks. Also, Cassandra, my 2nd fav batgirl

[@MontenegroPlus]

Catwoman is a terrible hero to me, if you can even call her that which I wouldn't.

[@corleonenightwing7410]

@@MontenegroPlus I mean, she is part of the bat family and the birds of prey. Which aren't teams of evil.

[@hallo23779]

just cause catwoman sleeps with batman it doesnt make her a hero

[@IAmVisionXo]

The Wonder Family is always disrespected!! (Wonder Woman, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl, Nubia, Artemis, Yara Flor)

[@daniellateibowei6264]

DC please, as a female fan I am tired of Harley Quinn. Every new iteration makes me hate her character more and more💀

[@angeloalvarez5520]

I'm so burnt out, I don't want to see a new iteration Harley or Joker for a decade. Especially Joker

[@wonderwomanredson]

Same. Please DC, stop Harley Quinn spam.

[@mattevans4377]

It's not just the pushing of Harley Quinn, but the pushing of her onto women as some kind of role model. That would be like pushing Joker as a male role model

[@trickshot_katebishop7612]

Exactly!!!

[@davidlacoste]

Worse. Harley herself is not as bad as Joker, but she's in love with him. They are telling women to fall for the worst man possible and sticking with him.

[@SabeNo-rh7mb]

And then there's the way they try to *Downplay* all the atrocities they *Know* they done let Harley get away with over the years.

[@Antiprincipl3]

It's because they changed her orientation, they want her to be seen in the positive light now, even going to so far as to have her her join the bat-family(which makes no sense), they are doing same thing with Ivy too.

[@samclayton628]

@@Antiprincipl3DC’s been big into redeeming villains for a few years now. Clayface joined the batfam in 2016-ish. Killer Croc is Arsenal’s AA sponsor. Catwoman. Harley as a current batfam member. Etc

[@birukmulugeta5817]

DC needs to do something with Vixen

[@Joseph_R._Azevedo]

Agreed

[@normadgarmez7026]

Yes, yes, yes

[@ninjaned1000]

She did have her own animated show in the arrowverse at least, plus she had a role in legends of tomorrow. but we definitely need more vixen, she's a cool character

[@birukmulugeta5817]

@@ninjaned1000 I mean what did she have since 2019 she even barely appears in comics now DC should really capitalize on the character she has endless potential she could be DC's iron man

[@Superlad9494]

@@birukmulugeta5817 Especially since during the JLU era they really amped her up quite a bit...even going so far as to make her a leader in the JLA book at the time. Vixen is effectively the Abby Lincoln of the JLA...and the Wonder Woman of the black DC Heroes.

[@TheSsjJoker]

King is Cooking again, My girls Starfire and Cassandra cain and My Queen Wonder Woman need more attention ❤❤ Edit: it is a crime Wonder Woman has not yet got her a DCAU show

[@GM-gb1eu]

And King is literally THE problem of her new book.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@GM-gb1eu meant M lol

[@twincesseszeigler4366]

Cassandra Cain and Stephanie should get their own shows too.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@@twincesseszeigler4366 exactly

[@Watch-0w1]

I am a wonder woman haters.

[@williamgeorge2580]

Wondy has the same problem as Supes- She's an aspirational character. Like how an intelligent character can't be written by an idjit, an aspirational character can't be written by a cynic. Which is all Hollywood has to offer. Maybe after Gen X dies...

[@TevyaSmolka]

Personally I have nothing against female heroes and honestly I am all for them to be other media in the future the problem is not the characters oh no it’s more with the bad writing and direction for these characters by executives as a whole at least in my opinion.

[@josep754]

Yeah, people often complain about "wokeness" and others complain about those who complain about "wokeness" but in reality, the difference between something like she-hulk and something like arcane is not them staring women, it's the quality being infinitely different.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@josep754 agreed and frankly I am so tired of these idiots claiming a show or movie starting a female character is bad or god for bid that stupid word woke, which is bullshit because like you said it’s not that character is bad oh no it’s more of the bad writing and bad storytelling not the character itself In my opinion.

[@wolfekupo5651]

@@TevyaSmolka honestly if something is labelled 'woke' and the people working on it or mainstream/access media comes out to defend it by attacking the people calling it woke as anything like racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobia, etc you should just write off the product as anything of quality since they are using a character's identity as a shield against criticism

[@JustinJulian-00]

What's the main problem of itself is not what gender of the characters it is the main problem of it that will always be around is writing or the creators not giving them any spotlight that they deserve they're always milking out the characters we already seen and know while pushing all others to the side why can't we get a show dedicated to the Batman family and not just Batman himself why not expand on the mythical aspects of the DC Universe as a show or a movie we never got anything more from that

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@wolfekupo5651 except some people took that word woke and misinterpret that word, and idiots use that word to not express criticism oh no, but idiots who use that word as a shield for there own agenda which is just dumb in my opinion.

[@yank3305]

Zatanna needs more love Black Canary needs more love Vixen needs more love Lois Lane needs more love Barbara needs to stop being disrespected The Wonder Girls needs more love And the one, the only, (the mommy), WONDER WOMAN NEEDS LOVE And stop using Harley Quinn goddamn

[@almessasorrow4950]

Realistically I prefer barbara as oracle. Best comic book runs DC needs to stop fumbling in my opinion: •Barbara Gordon as the Oracle/Og Batgirl •Cassandra Cain as Batgirl •Stephanie brown as the Spoiler •Harper Row (Honestly even without the suit she's still goated) •No idea who the wonder girls are, If you mean Lizzie I agree tho. Response to your list: •Lois lane I never really cared for so...... •Black cannary is almost always used well in shows and comics •Its strange how zatanna is constantly disrespected by DC despite how op and crucial she is in justice league comics •Vixen honestly seems to do pretty good. DC doesn't seem to mess up there so I'm uncertain why she's on this list My favorite DC comics were the Cassandra Cain Batgirl ones (literally all of them except when she's evil)

[@angeloalvarez5520]

I like Harley but if I see another portrayal of her anytime soon, my head is gonna explode. It's just too much now

[@heathmiller9533]

VIXEN 🗣️💯🔥🔥

[@SpencerBruehl]

All these characters have the love of all DC fans, neither you are a goddamn moron, or an extreme sexiest, you know damn well how long they have been around, and you say no one loves fucking Lois Lane, Bat-Girl and Wonder Woman? How fucking Dare you make such lies, do you have no shame?

[@normadgarmez7026]

Definitely. Though not sure about Lois Lane since she's been overshadowed by the powerful heroines.

[@dreamland6528]

Being a Lois Lane stan is pain bc some writers will take this crazy, utterly unhinged, stubborn, badass, military-raised woman and dumb her down to “the wifey” character. She’s done SO wrong by DC.

[@kail4997]

I love how Clark came to the realization in brainiac attack: she will always run head first into trouble with or without Superman, it’s a miracle she even survive this long 😂

[@Superlad9494]

It's like they forgot she doesn't need a suit to be Superwoman, but hey Clark still makes her one because it's nice.

[@gooderambles]

Holy Crap! Lois does not get enough credit and it's such a shame.

[@Wa-he9lx]

I wanna see more of Starfire that doesn’t have to be included with the rest of titans

[@sarachabane8404]

Me too 💯

[@Y.T.STachi]

Okay imma be a bit honest I don't think Starfire has a lot of standalone power she needs at least someone to bounce off of for her to shine.Does it have to be a member of the TItans? No,But it needs someone from Earth otherwise if feel it kinda falls flat

[@TheDukeofCheese12]

I’m positive the reason Harley Quinn is used so much because she is tied to Batman. It’s like DC doesn’t acknowledge any of their own characters that isn’t tangentially related to Batman.

[@noelogbeide7135]

Yeah even Catwoman and poison ivy have had long comic runs for the same reasons

[@FlifeSworld]

I’m tired of Harley Quinn she is a villain they try to make her hero can stand it

[@barrysmith4610]

Harley is so OVERRATED 🙄 so tired of her kmt smh.

[@angeloalvarez5520]

There's just too much Harley and Joker media right now

[@C.R.Cole331]

Ppl more worried about being called woke than properly using their characters

[@ligtningdog6399]

Let's be fair. Some shitty writers and directors tainted the waters, so of course people are going to cry about wokeness. We are going to need something really, REALLY good to fix that.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

​@@ligtningdog6399 PREACH

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

Why would they be scared to be called "woke"? It's an african-american slang for people that are aware of social issues. Also, if you're going to get scared of what a bunch of insecure men are going to say about you, maybe you're not the right person to be writing about a female character...

[@godman8226]

​@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831 Well when those "insecure men" are your customers, you should listen to them. Or just continue to let the books fail by ignoring the majority of their primary demographic. Manga with good writing and hot characters will just continue to out sell them.

[@neverbeganforme]

It’s the other way around. They’re not scared of being called woke, they’re sacred of being called a sexist. Which is the opposite of woke. Woke is the goal, being sexist is not.

[@0nepotential]

I’m completely dumbfounded when I hear these executives say people don’t want to watch a film with a female leading role. So you’re telling me nobody appreciated these films and show listed below?: Terminator Aliens Xena princess warrior Underworld Aeon Flux Resident evil Kill bill The 100 Hunger Games Etc… Tell me you have an agenda without telling me you have an agenda.

[@romanshorif2330]

Alita battle angel was good too

[@gabrielcarrasco9078]

​@romanshorif2330 So were Arcane and Fallout. Not every female led show or movie is bad. Heck even though it didn't make a lot of money, Furiosa was great.

[@themanofshadows]

@@gabrielcarrasco9078Problem is, a lot female centric media is woke and filled with identity politics. The reason why female led movies aren’t taken seriously is because of self-inflicted woke identity politics/girlbossing. The fans are tainted by the BS that studios push with these characters, as a lot of these female characters aren’t written as actual characters but as ideologues for identity politics. If female characters were written better and written as actual people, then audiences would be more wiling to watch these movies. Like I said, the damage here is self-inflicted.

[@gabrielcarrasco9078]

@themanofshadows Thats my point. People don't hate female led series or movies as long as it's good. Same is said of male leads.

[@FadzaiSimango]

​@@themanofshadows I can't take someone seriously when they whine because of "woke" 😂 Man up

[@petar2253]

I would say my favorite female hero is Supergirl but I do acknowledge she has had very few adaptations and I really love her in My adventures with Superman season 2 which makes me happy as she is cool just underutilized. And also Wonder Woman, Starfire, Stargirl and Donna Troy would also have to rank in my top 5 not in that order.

[@THerculez]

DC doesn’t care about anyone but Batman

[@angeloalvarez5520]

True

[@bighand1530]

I find Batman overrated to be honest.

[@wonderwomanredson]

Right

[@micah459]

As someone who loves Harley Quinn, I'm absolutely burnt out on her being pushed so much. Give me Vixen, Black Canary, Zatanna, Big Barda, or even Supergirl

[@000Acid]

“There’s no such thing as a bad character, only bad writers.” -Me rn

[@tinytitan8807]

Fax❤

[@animeandtokuallstarx]

Us: we want to wonder woman, Zatanna, or catwoman animated series Warner bros: Here Harley quinn The Animated series Us: Bruh! I'm just going to say this, and if you guys agreed with me on this one. I think Zatanna is a better choice for the isekai anime than Harley quinn and the Suicide squad because she has magic, and we know how much isekai loves magic like hell add our Doctor of magic himself DOCTOR FREAKING FATE in the anime that will better than too much Suicide Squad and Harley Quinn.

[@artist0154]

thats not the point of an isekai tho, you need characters that doens't know about magic, to learn about it, thats what makes it interesting, if you have a magic user in a different magic world is not that weird, he would be like "oh I get it, another dimension, I need to scape" thats boring

[@animeandtokuallstarx]

@artist0154 I know that, but It can be better with the main character not to act like it's a video game like Dragon Quest, more like Dark Souls. I liked Harley quinn as a character, but she has too much exposure to the suicide squad movie now. The other female heroes are waiting in line for the spotlight. And I like your higurashi profile picture

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

​@@artist0154 Then if that's the case get someone like Barbara Gordon to make an Isekai on. That'll be more entertaining because you have someone whose perception of reality is rooted in science and speculation in a world that's pure fantasy.

[@Oddash-lz6kw]

Another frustrating part is that the DC Heroines are much more likely to get their backstories and mythologies re-written or ignored: Wonder Woman's backstory keeps changing Donna Troy's backstory keeps changing Supergirl was both a shapeshifting alien and a reborn angel at one point Raven's backstory changed Starfire's supporting cast and planet got destroyed and also her backstory changed to be less interesting Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown were written out and then when they were added back in, they had their ages and competence downgraded to the point where they needed Batwoman and Barbara to train them (which kind of laughable given that Cassandra is the best fighter in the Bat-Family). And then there's the infamous "Killing Joke" that paralyzed Barbara; editorial had no plans to use her again and the editor at the time infamously said "Yeah cr*pple the b*cth" . I could go on- there's a lot of examples. The point I want to make is that when writers, editors, producers, etc don't care about characters, it shows and it's hard for a regular audience to get emotionally invested.

[@alimahmoud1937]

"when they were added back in, they had their ages and competence downgraded to the point where they needed Batwoman and Barbara to train them" huh!? when did that happen?(the training i mean)

[@Oddash-lz6kw]

@@alimahmoud1937 Detective Comics Rebirth had Batwoman train everyone (including Tim who should have more experience than her) and Batgirls stated that Steph and Cass's ages are between 13-15, which makes them younger than Damian who was introduced waaaay later. One of the writers tried to correct this by saying they were 17, which is still much younger than where they should have been and that's why Babs needed to 'mentor'.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

It really is confusing that there's been a Batman the Animated Series and Superman the Animated Series but no Wonder Woman the Animated Series. Like, where is she?

[@HIMMBelljuvo]

People don't understand how hardcore Supergirl actually is. Like, homegirl became a whole-ass Red Lantern one time; that's the Lantern core for people with Hulk, Kratos and Asura level anger issues. And don't get me started on Wonder Woman. There's that time when she unlocked a new form where she had witch-powers. That was so badass and they did absolutely nothing with that. Smh

[@eon001]

In a post Black Panther world, Vixen could have the same effect. Especially with the female market.

[@KingOfMadCows]

There have been multiple attempts to make a Wonder Woman show and more WW movies. Around 2010, Lauren Montgomery, the director of the 2009 animated WW tried to make a show with Bruce Timm as producer, WB passed on it. The sequel to her 2009 WW movie was also shelved. Harley Quinn gets shows/movies because she sells a lot of merchandise.

[@Dragon_Moth]

Just adapt Gail Simone's *Birds of Prey* /Greg Rucka's *Batwoman* /Mark Andreyko's *Manhunter* /Sterling Gates' *Supergirl* /Kelly Puckett's *Batgirl* /Brian Miller's *Batgirl* and we'll be fine

[@saxonswain5448]

A raven origin movie on azarath and a starfire origin movie on her planet would go crazyyyyyyyyyy

[@sarachabane8404]

Agreed💯💜💜

[@Falexandra456]

Considering raven's bacstory is actually really good they should really push her character in dcu like scarlet witch

[@saxonswain5448]

@@Falexandra456 definitely agreed, they’d make bank . She already has a huge fan base .

[@Falexandra456]

​@@saxonswain5448but i just feel like her character will need a solo film first involving the dark justice

[@Falexandra456]

@@saxonswain5448 god they can even make a horror movie with raven like shit will be so cool

[@Ovaltyrant]

I couldn't begin to describe my disappointment seeing how Huntress was treated in the DCEU.

[@xenobrina7880]

Amanda Waller also gets way too much screentime in comparison to DC's actually popular female characters. Some of it is tied to the Squad oversaturation, but even beyond that she is getting her own series and was the main villain of the whole Absolute Power event in the comics. Like why are we getting more Amanda Waller than actual DC heroes? Like Vixen is right there!

[@noelogbeide7135]

Blame that on James Gunn 😂😂

[@NewOverlord]

We really need a WW animated show. I feel like the DCAU was the perfect chance for WW to get her own show alongside Batman and Superman.

[@ajdynon]

These factors can cause a vicious circle: Media producers don’t think female led works will sell -> Female led works don’t get resources to make them good-> Works aren’t good-> Works don’t make money-> Media producers don’t think female led works will sell. There are also other factors at work, such as the films getting released when fatigue was setting in.

[@robertwwallii1357]

Being a fan of the comic "Birds of Prey", I bought the Blue-ray without having seen the movie. It seriously TICKED ME OFF! It took the best all female comic book team and made a mockery of the comic! It not only didn't even depict my favorite caricature from the comic (Oracle, an openly disabled superhero), but it also TOTALLY EVISORATES the best new female superhero (Cassandra Cain's Batgirl) and turns her into a winey, scaredy cat, pickpocket!!!!!!

[@kingn0ah377]

genuinely tho a Wonder Woman anime would have been so fucking cool. her lore is so fucking mystical nd dense that you could do seasons of ts

[@Superlad9494]

You can even give her several power-up abilities too. I mean that whole armor is her gadgetry, and she invented all the anime tropes anyway. Lynda Carter herself came up with the iconic spin which has since been merged with the traditional lasso morph. Collapsable Boomerang tiara with a pager in it to boost her technopathy Barrier busting boots Power Booster Belt Indestructible Armor & lasso of truth made from Gaia's golden girdle forged by Hesphaestus Bullet deflecting bracelets Compressor Earrings. Then add Super Strength, Speed and Gliding that later turns into flight+ the original Magic School Bus, her invisible jet. Seriously...how is Diana having an Invisible Magic School Bus not cool?

[@L0V3000]

Penguin, Kiteman, Black Adam, and Blue Beetle got a project before Zatanna. I don't understand.

[@zechariahanderson98]

Hey I fully agree with you on the fact that kite man and penguin getting a show before zatanna is wild

[@TheStormbringer8751]

Well, Penguin is Batman adjacent and Black Adam was The Rock. That explains those two. Blue Beetle, if you want to be "demographically inclined" sews up the latino vote and Kiteman........yeah.......

[@kendi5391]

I think Blue Bettle makes sense.

[@L0V3000]

@kendi5391 before Zatanna though? Blue Beetle isn't as popular.

[@kendi5391]

@@L0V3000 I'm not sure about that. Not only is Blue Bettle a legacy character but newest character to take on the mantle is quite beloved showing up in Batman Brave and The Bold, DCAMU, Injustice 2 and his own solo movie which I loved. His animated series is gonna be like New Adventures of Spider-Man or Avengers Assemble where movie is canon but it can expand upon it.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

I honestly want Huntress to get more spotlight, she's really interesting but DC does nothing with her.

[@najbgaj]

It’s insane to me that JLU set up characters such as Vixen, Dr. Light, Fire, Ice and etc. but DC just squandered all of that potential with pushing them further for the GP 😭

[@lucibasto5281]

I love Harley but she is WAYYYY over saturated it’s so sooo annoying I would love to have a Wonder Woman animated show

[@Starfirelordnsavor]

The fact they need to stop underutilizing the female characters and give them an actual lead in some storylines

[@BlahNetworkBro]

You should do a follow up about Black Women! No love for Nubia, Vixen, Natasha Steel, Sojourner Mullein, or Deluge (just to name a few) outside of comics.

[@BlahNetworkBro]

I hope they put the new character Jenny Crisis into this James Gunn authority movie

[@coyoteink]

Warner brothers doesn’t own Wonder Woman, they rent her from her creators family. Companies don’t like sharing profits, that’s why they don’t use her as much as they should.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Even though Arrowverse Supergirl's show wasn't good, I'm glad she is appearing way more now than ever before. Yeah it's sad we still haven't gotten a WW show in forever. She really deserves it and needs to be shown more Batwoman was alright but I do want to see Barbara Gordon have her own show and problems. I really enjoyed Star girl and Naomi could have been much better, but we couldn't get that

[@Soundwave413]

YES thank you! I shared this exact experience with Supergirl. When I was little I always loved her character as she just felt like a stranger trying to fit into a new life. Though I would look back fondly at the impression she made on me I just felt indifferent to the character later on in life. It wasn't until My Adventures With Superman Season 2 that I remembered why I fell in love with the character in the first place. WB is sitting on a goldmine but somehow they keep killing all hype for these characters.

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

Just a reminder that, beyond her first movie being a success, Wonder Woman's current comic is also outselling Superman's current one by a LOT. Goes to show that she can sell when given the opportunity. The problem is that DC almost never gives her one... Edit: Also, M Enterprises comes back with another W take 🤣

[@0li-0li28]

Absolute Wonder Woman is set to be the most popular one out of the new Absolute universe too so yeah she’s a genuine seller when given the chance

[@NKO_lindo]

wonder woman has SO MUCH potential is nausiating taht they dont give her a series

[@eclipseslayer98]

0:50 He gay, that's what wrong.

[@JulianMack-po9fb]

What's wrong with being gay?

[@eclipseslayer98]

@@JulianMack-po9fb Guy in the video implied that Asmongold was a bigot for not liking playing as women. I joked that Asmongold is gay. Therefore, guy in video is a bigot because he implied gay Asmongold not liking playing women is wrong.

[@dramon5835]

If I can name one thing I want from DC, please push for someone like Vixen or Starfire instead of the constant legacy characters who live in the shadows of Batman, Superman etc. Having all the female characters we get stories about be in the shadows of their popular male characters isn't great long term buisness. Make more female superhero 's also, it feels like DC' s creativity dies when they have to make an original female superhero who isn't just Superman or Batman but girl Wonder Woman, I'm not sure what to do with honestly.

[@SecretMagician]

Thank God we'll be having Hawkgirl in Superman '25. I don't think she's been in anything prominent in DC since Justice League Unlimited.

[@dramon5835]

@@SecretMagician Genuinely yes, I find Hawk girl enduring even when Hawkman exists. Though I hope DC doesn't ruin any good will I have towards them.

[@RenaroSilva02938]

I want Wonder Man, Male Canary and Vixen-boy please.

[@dramon5835]

@@RenaroSilva02938 I can only imagine how popular they will be 😭

[@TheR3d3mpti0n]

​@@RenaroSilva02938 funny enough wonder man is real

[@SepRoyle]

Wonder woman ❤❤is the best 👌 👍

[@17-_70]

Ok but i wonder woman to more divine based character rather than super hero

[@Batmanwhodrinks]

I wanna see more of Zatanna, Vixen, Batwoman, Huntress,Catwoman

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

I agree with your list. Add Hawkgirl and I think you've got a very nice group to work with.

[@Batmanwhodrinks]

@@DavidAnderson-m5c only reason I ain’t add her is cuz ik we for sure seeing her in Superman: legacy 💀

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

@@Batmanwhodrinks A very astute observation. I didn't know that. Thanks for clueing me in.

[@tam839]

REALLLL

[@tubebammy]

The fact that HARLEY F***ING QUINN is getting a fifth season before Wonder Woman’s game has a release date is beyond alarming. If I have said it once I will say this a billion times… it’s like DC wants to relabel itself as Harlequin Comics

[@monobro141]

2:53 Venom whatchu doin

[@marcusrimson6330]

Wonder Woman and Zatanna stay getting disrespected by DC, but HARLEY QUINN keeps getting pushed for some reason, she's not even interesting anymore

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

In case of The Marvels, I think the main flop was due to the marketing and writers strike. Other than that, you’re 100% correct

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

The marvels was garbage

[@normadgarmez7026]

The Marvel's could've performed well... if they focused on the plot, character, and story. Not to mention showing a bit of skin. I mean it is mostly a male audience.

[@NightRunner2099]

7:36 There's a difference between being iconic, being popular and actually guaranteeing sales. That's why many members of the New Teen Titans don't receive their own solo series that lasts more than 12 issues that aren't cancelled due to low sales, despite being quite popular with the general public, unless they are Wally and Dick. Even Tim Drake's last solo, which everyone disliked, lasted longer than someone like Raven's solo before being canceled, despite her having much more exposure and it actually being written by her own creator, Marv Wolfman. Ivy currently has her own ongoing series that has lasted about 26 issues so far, which was actually a mini that was extended to an ongoing due to popularity. Harley has even lasted longer. In contrast, someone like Kori or Rae, who are very popular Titans, have had solos that lasted a maximum of 12 issues.

[@kingbeauregard]

There is a problem with Wonder Woman, but it's fixable. Okay, suppose Superman didn't ever have a life as Clark Kent; he's just a superhero all the time, with no backstory that makes him a part of this culture, and no friends unrelated to superheroing. He'd lose a lot, wouldn't he? Unfortunately, that's where Wonder Woman is. Here's how I would opt to fix it. Let's say she was active at some point in the American past, maybe just 10 or 15 years ago. It might have been that her period of activity mostly went unnoticed. Then she disappeared for decades, and then she returned. What she was doing, was building a life in America. she wanted to understand this new country, so she built a life as Diana Prince. What sort of life? I can think of all sorts of options. But one way or another, give Diana some roots; and not just a familiarity with American culture, but also people she knows and cares about. My particular approach would be to leverage the Holliday Girls, the sorority that Etta Candy belonged to once. Make Diana a perpetual grad student at some university, give her friends, give her a non-superheroing life.

[@tquenched3210]

Hawk Girl, Wonder Woman, Vixen . Under used is larger media.

[@GreatRoostar]

It's sad how little love female heroes are getting when they have some of the best stories in comics. Hoping James Gunn's DCU and whatever elseworlds projects that come up in the future can change that. 🤞

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

2:49 bro is wilding with the clip again (completely understandable though) 12:39 why they didn't just do a gotham city sirens movie ,(a team harley quinn is actually a member of and other characters in the roster are far well known to the general audience) is beyond me.

[@SiriusM13]

😂 2:55

[@cahe6161]

That's exactly what I've been saying for a while, a Gotham City Sirens movie with Harley, Catwoman and Poison Ivy would've been miles better.

[@ravindupadmanath2802]

I will probably get a lot of flack for nitpicking this. But I always get annoyed when it comes to females in a "main cast" in shows, there are always fewer females than males. Got a group 5?: 3 Guys and 2 Women A Group of 4?: 3 guys and 1 Woman Group of 6,7,8,9 people? -6 guys, 3 Women -5 guys, 3 Women -4 guys, 3 Women -4 guys, 2 Women The only time where there are equal or more females in a main cast in media is if said media is meant for a female audience. Like I can't be the only one who finds that dumb?

[@Foreverred97]

This is something I noticed as well so your not alone.

[@dae_da21]

And usually the women are either a love interest to the someone on the team or sexualized or both

[@Galvatronover]

Your gonna have to give examples because I don’t think the examples you give are that extreme it like it has to be exactly the same number what wrong with 4 to 3

[@ravindupadmanath2802]

@@Galvatronover 2003 Teen Titans, 2001 Justice League, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Legion of Superheroes, Green Lantern: The Animated Series, Suicide Squad Isekai even Young Justice in season 1 had 2 females till they added Zatanna and Rocket at the end of season 1.

[@woodman3926]

This is an actual thing. Look up the “Smurfette Principle” trope

[@AJTV_Editz]

The problem is that they’re constantly overshadowed by Harley Quinn

[@V4Now]

I'm pretty sure Asmon was being facetious. Black Orchid would be a cool superhero show.

[@matthewhecht9257]

Thank goodness for Stargirl. She is carrying DC's female adaptations.

[@rosaline7549]

Marvel female characters are not having it any better either despite having a successful universe there's not a single good female lead show/movie in mcu.

[@NisarKhan-jm1uh]

@@rosaline7549 I quite enjoyed the miss marvel TV show.

[@WhitneyAllisonGG]

I enjoyed WandaVision, Agatha All Along and even Ms. Marvel in the MCU. The problem with MCU has to do with Episode Count more than writing. However I didn't enjoy She Hulk or Secret Invasion.

[@bighand1530]

@@WhitneyAllisonGG She Hulk had potential. And it was wasted towards the weird simping clowns of Twitter/X that likes to slander.

[@ashintheeyes2176]

Ok people here are satisfied with trash

[@maciekwucow3989]

DC be like Harley >>>>>>> Female SuperHeroes

[@angeloalvarez5520]

We need a long break from Joker and Harley

[@angeloalvarez5520]

And im really tired of seeing new jokers

[@maciekwucow3989]

@@angeloalvarez5520 DC: And we choose to ignored.

[@Byrdstar6423-un3me]

The only female character that exists in their eyes is Harley ( my God do I absolutely loathe her from how overplayed she is )

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Come on. The Harley quinn show is excellent

[@angeloalvarez5520]

​@@dcmastermindfirst9418I do love that show, but I'm tired of the Harley and/joker media. I do not want to see another portrayal of the characters for a while

[@Byrdstar6423-un3me]

I like the show but man do I hate how DC gives her all this attention ​@dcmastermindfirst9418

[@AggieNC]

I liked Supergirl on the CW and Batwoman. Though your critiques are valid. I think they hit harder for the Batwoman show's first season than Supergirl or the rest of the series. I LOVE Javicia as Ryan and i think the show got better when it had an original character as the lead. Supergirl got much better after the first season (most long lasting shows do). The reason they dud what they did for her character is that Supergirl hasn't had THAT much time to be their own character. She was dead for DECADES and then brought her back as a pre-teen, but still highly sexualized by the artists

[@awsomewaver]

I remember being so surprised and happy to get that lil mini series about vixen during the arroverse. Shes one of the goated dc characters

[@Okkotsu86275]

You know the situation is cooked when Harley Queen has more media projects than Wonder Woman. They have been doing Cassandra Cain, Barbara Gordon, Helena Bertinelli, Donna Troy, and Dinah Lance for years.

[@CNTconnoisseur]

They need to bring the DCAU back just to give WW a great animated series. It would also be cool to have Zatana in the new DCU Justice League. The new DCU should also focus more on female villains. It would be great to see Poison Ivy and Livewire.

[@MontenegroPlus]

Do the problem with Female DC villains please, there's plenty to go around there as the pattern is so clear.

[@joshuawatson575]

Zatanna would sell amazingly if the used her properly

[@Stanlos]

As for femme heroes deserving attention before Harley, there's an eff ton with Titans, Leaguers, Society, and Outsiders. Consider: Dr. Light, Donna Troy, Vixen, Zatanna, Wonder Girl, Raven, Bumble Bee, Rocket, Thunder, Lightning, Mary Marvel, Spoiler, Empress, Artowette, Secret, the ladies of Soyuz (basically Russian X-Men), effing Katana, Black Canary, Huntress, Argent, Crimson Fox, Looker, Halo, Dervish, Starfire, Skyrocket, Onyx, the Body Doubles, the Ravens, Barda, Maxima, Skyrocket, Witchfyre, Mindancer, Fire, Ice and a metric ton of others ALL deserve attention before we get to effin Harley.

[@eobardthawn6903]

Imo female characters in DC are massively better then in marvel.

[@NHTube1]

Hell nah

[@saviletotorres143]

Not really

[@bighand1530]

Giganta from Justice League/Justice League Unlimited anyone?

[@wonderwomanredson]

Well, Marvel's female characters are much better utilized than DC's.

[@LovethedemonWolf2.0]

I agree they definitely need more stories with them, especially my favorites black canary and Supergirl and Zatana

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

Yeah, whenever I see a Harley Quin based anything, I get annoyed, like a DC anime? That's not fair. The director wanted to make a Flash anime. I so want some Superhero anime but I get stuck with the anti-hero crew starring Harley Quinn instead. You're a Superhero brand. Make Superhero projects!

[@missmeme3946]

the harely anime set and story clearly were meant to be about the flash because he could travel in the time

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

@@missmeme3946 Oh, that would've been so cool, Flash is one of my favorite Superheroes. Especially if the Rogues somehow got roped into it as well.

[@baki484]

I'm so sick of Harley Quinn. Zatanna, wonder woman hell give me Shiva.

[@DoubleDragon-ks2hk]

Getting into this video I thought you where gonna be just a male feminist rambling about how the fans are misogynist. But after actually watching the video damn WB is doing wonder woman dirty and many other female heroes deserve so much more, and also getting a Harley Quinn fatigue I like the character but this is oversaturation. Hope we finally get a wonder woman animated series.

[@petar2253]

I think if DC want to make Wonder Woman more popular I feel like they have to make an animated series in an established universe and I think that would have to be MAWS universe because this would allow them to change some little things and see if they stick and that world is very different than the mainline usual universe you see and I feel like it can become the new DCAU with MAWS getting a 3rd season and maybe a movie expanding with Wonder Woman would make sense.

[@kendi5391]

Just use costumes from the comics for that.

[@shadowfoxx4]

Sooo there's a bunch of weird legal issues that stop people from putting Donna Troy in anything

[@tiquezgraham7963]

Harley also gets so much representation beacuse shes the self insert to any chick with issues EVER! And its super easy to make her a womens empowerment story or a gross fifty shades of gray reference.

[@kevinbre7563]

I'm definitely getting sick of being blamed for box office bombs. It's like I have no interest in Madam Web. Black Cat and Silver Sable are right there. Use them.

[@Ebutuoy151]

The DC women i love are Black Canary, Zatanna, Batgirl(Barbara Gordan), Huntress, Big Barda, Vixen, Catwoman, Batwoman(the original straight version), Raven, Powergirl and Lady Shiva

[@beehall3268]

See, I think that's another thing that's misunderstood. WB really started pushing Harley Quinn when Margot Robbie got the role. She is a star so they thought probably she would put Harley Quinn more on the map so they made more content after. And I do believe unfortunately a lot of people would not go and see a movie starring Raven, or just Starfire, things like that. I think that they will have to have a major male character from the teen Titans or something like that in the movie for it to somewhat be a success..

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

Funny How I was just thinking about this subject when your vid popped up lol.