Mercedes-Benz W204 Facelift - The Most Solid Modern Benz? | EvoMalaysia.com

[@trustgtr33]

Another note for anyone looking out for early CGi's, if there is blue smoke on cold starts 99% workshops will tell you its the turbos but its most likely the turbo oil inlet hose..happens to very early cgi models infact mercedes had a TSB on it those days ,cost rm200 siap pasang..almost got slaughtered but thanks to a german forum which helped me out..

[@ngkwdaniel]

what was the cause?

[@trustgtr33]

@@ngkwdaniel turbo oil line

[@jeffchan1901]

yup, i had the same problem only happens at first start up early in morning. service center charged me 153 for valve and 80 for labor including for changing tranny oil and filter and bonnet spring too

[@HotRod16]

This C class is perfect daily driver's car. Had ride in 250 CGI out to south. The cruising on highway is effortless. Size a compact though but being driver is just nice. Had a short high speed with some civic FD 2.0 that was screaming, but in the Merc it was calm and can still easily overtake it.

[@tudoujin]

Truly agree with you, the w204 is still one of the best build model.....apart from the w124. Everything is still solid and works perfectly for a decade old car.

[@haiducchu]

I currently own a 2012 C300 W204 for about 2 months now and I've put 10.000km on it already. Prevention maintenance after buying is quite costly but it has been a dream to drive, fuel saving although it's a 3.0 liter, and is pretty much bulletproof engine-wise.

[@marwanmustfa]

I bought my c350 2014 after watching your videos and i love it still gives me some headache once in a while but worth os

[@BregtHainja]

Great revieuw, i drive this car 220 cdi! I ❤it! Greetz from Holland

[@KonWaiLuen]

Glad you enjoy it! We don't get the CDI officially here, but a few made it via parallel import channels.

[@letsgo6574]

What a great, in depth review. Really enjoyed it.

[@rogeretiennedelacruz3000]

I am driving a W204 C180Kompressor that is manufactured in 2010. It drives beautifully in Singapore!

[@KonWaiLuen]

Wah, you deserve special respect for keeping a Kompressor running in Singapore!

[@fongalvin4995]

Mine too, I'm driving a 1.6 c180k in sg.. 2010 as well.. 💪💪

[@rogeretiennedelacruz3000]

@@fongalvin4995 with the crazy increases in COE, there are so many more us who are owning the W204 C180K. I have seen quite a few around on the roads. Mine is white.

[@rogeretiennedelacruz3000]

@@KonWaiLuen for that paper that we need to pay to own a car, the W204 C180K is one of the most affordable Mercs to own in Singapore. There are really quite a good number of us who own the W204 C180K. road tax is also cheaper than the C200K

[@denniswong4874]

oh boy, she's a beauty. Very solid W204 FL CGI. The least problematic model. Only maintainance + wear & tear

[@duanetersan1975]

Hi Kon ... Perhaps you could also review the w212 & w212 E Class. Thanks!

[@KonWaiLuen]

I am working on that. Have been offered a car to video. Are you looking to buy one?

[@duanetersan1975]

@KonWaiLuen yeap... I'm looking for a reliable family ride.... once I'm done paying for my Persona.

[@hdbsg3.5]

​@@duanetersan1975 Camry bro for family

[@duanetersan1975]

​@@hdbsg3.5Already had enough of Japanese engineering... Let me experience German ones

[@ntsalinkosingiphile5477]

Driving the 2013 250Cdi what an awesome car great power

[@KonWaiLuen]

The C 250 CDI was not officially sold in Malaysia. Which country are you from?

[@miguelsilva9760]

I m thinking to buy a 250cdi Coupe from 2012, any issue to be aware? Do you recommend?

[@Funktastico]

2011 Saga FL also got LED side mirror indicator

[@KonWaiLuen]

It all started with Mercedes. Haha

[@jayeshjahyesh]

Greatest review i watched till now. Njoy the videos

[@troygartmann6398]

I own a 2013 C300 Sport 4matic with C63 AMG trim package. V6 3.5L with the 7 speed transmission. I absolutely love this car thru and thru. It's the best handling with the Sport tune suspension coupled with the all wheel drive which gives the 3.5L motor more ease and less abuse for showing and feeling the power and acceleration. The feedback from the road to car to driver is very well communicated, very predictable which makes it so much fun to drive but also easy to get into trouble with those poor lovers with the red and blue lights, lol! Ask me how I know but anyways. The exterior I think is sexy, elegant, sporty and means business all in one. The front end I think of the old roadsters which flows to the tucking of the front tires. The elegance of the fine lines of the body thru to the back of the car. It's like the engineers that designed and built this W204 C-class put everything they had plus more into this car. Seems like in today's vehicles all the thought is in the front end and down the side, but when it comes to the back end they just give up and slap something together. Same with some of these interior designs, just plain, boring and big ass touch screen monitors. Big isn't always better. When you sit behind the wheel of a W204 C-class like my model, you can feel yourself become 1 with the car. It's like the car and yourself are extentions of each other. Much respect to all those involved in the creation to final product of the 2008-2014 Mercedes-Benz C-class models. Other manufacturers could take some lessons from those true engineers of craftsmanship.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Thanks for your share! Where are you from? We didn't get the 3.5 V6, which I thought was the C 350? In our market, the C 300 had the older 231hp 3.0 V6.

[@troygartmann6398]

Thanks for your indepth car reviews. I am from the U.S in Wisconsin. I am wondering if the car I now own was by chance a special order vehicle. There has been a couple of things I have came across that kinda point me in that direction. So I am here in the near future of actually going into a Mercedes-Benz dealer and see what I can find out. Just to know for me.

[@MelodyMan69]

Thanks, I have the same 2012 Model but not 4 Matic. I fitted a rear window/roof spoiler (very subtle) and a small boot lip spoiler is about to be fitted. I find the seats are a bit low and do not give under knee support, but I can fix that my putting spacers under the legs.

[@dravidian667]

@@troygartmann6398what extra options it had?

[@Zeek25ification]

The shifter for mercedes benz has always been my favourite. I have a friend who doesnt understand the groovy style shifting. To him is like no safe and potential can shift accdentally. He didnt realise every shift has a locking mechanism but was too lazy to dumb it down for him. To my this is the satifaction of the changing gears but to some they really prefer straight cut

[@KonWaiLuen]

Yes! And the tactile feel at each position is so satisfying!

[@officiallyxadom3648]

great in depth review 👏 👍

[@megatkhan1704]

Hi Mr. Kon, im planning to own a used w204 cgi model. Just want to get advise. from your point of view as an owner to this w204 model. Do this model maintenance cost miles expansive compared to owning a honda?. Do this model frequently has major issue? And what would be the best advice from other w204 owner to a person like me? Really appreciate for your feedback. 🙏🏻

[@KonWaiLuen]

Parts will surely cost more than a Honda, but they also tend to last longer and perform better. Mercedes built these cars to take long autobahn miles at high speeds, so there is a price to pay for that engineering. Reliability wise, the CGI engines are generally good, but you do need to keep an eye on the timing chain gearm

[@gtfan72]

I believe the cgi you tested is 7 speed auto. I still prefer the bmw zf 8 speed autobox than the merc as the 7 speed respond slower. Overall am impress with the build quality.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Yes, you are right. The ZF 8HP is still the best torque converter AT in the business.

[@davereimer1797]

Excellent video. Good discussion on w204 and w212. As an owner of a 2016 C207 E400, can you comment on if Mercedes created enough of a premium to merit the E badge on the c207 compared with this w204 C coupe? Enough features and other to differentiate these two coupes?

[@KonWaiLuen]

Good question! The differentiation is there, but where the E Coupe is concerned, my favourite was the C238, that car carried the proper heft and presence of an E-Class.

[@Kenzo9063]

I used to have this from 2013 to 2020 (C180 sedan) with a 7G tronic. Was hoping my family would get a Tesla model 3 but they got the W205 facelift instead (C200)

[@savinsingh960]

I believe the 1.8 has 184 hp with a 7 speed gearbox. I have a 2012 face-lift CGI model which I bought from a very close friend in 2022 who maintained it well with 81kms on the clock. In spite of that, I have spent 10k on wear and tear repairs. Now it runs beautifully with Chemlube engine oil.

[@KonWaiLuen]

It's a solid car. Can't run away from the occasional RM8k-RM10k bills, but I trust you can look forward to many years of reliable service ahead.

[@savinsingh960]

Yes, indeed. @@KonWaiLuen

[@rahmanwang]

Hi Kon. I own a 2012/2013 W204 c250. Bought it brand new and so far i changed the ABS sensor cables twice on all 4 corners (one of its achilles heel). Mileage is less than 60K because the tyres are too low profile and I only take it on the outstation drive. I wanted to change the tyres to a higher profile so that I can use it more often but I also prefer my Subaru 4WD on KL roads. My mechanic told me there is also the inherent camshaft sprocket early wear which trustgtr33 mentioned. Love the car & thanks for the review.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Glad to hear your testimonial. Sensors are normal wear and tear items for most European cars. As for the camshaft sprocket issue, it seems like a sufficiently well-documented issue that any prospective owners should address with preventive maintenance.

[@abhs1141]

I am looking for either this or e250 coupe . which one do you think better to buy . the e250 turbo is slightly bigger car . which is more value but and better to own ?

[@kejargunung]

I agree with You Brother And I love the W204

[@hubcap918]

I own the same car , the gearbox is 7G as in 7 speed not 5 speed as you have mentioned.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Thank you. I stand corrected.

[@SukhwinderSingh-fz3yq]

A truly brilliant review with which I fully resonate and imo the w204 and 212 are somewhat badly underrated especially against the inferior w205

[@KonWaiLuen]

W204 easily is a better drive and more solidly built than the W205

[@pagodagaming4568]

I enjoy all of your videos and thoughts.. But please.. pleaseee upgrade your camera setup for our eyecandy pleasure..

[@KonWaiLuen]

Working on that sir. Thank you for the feedback!

[@taxes6921]

omg...I bought a used w212 prefacelift last year...aircon was just not cold enough compared to my year 2012 camry

[@KonWaiLuen]

That aside, how is the car?

[@taxes6921]

@@KonWaiLuen performance,handling,soundproofing com9lanfirm tabao 😂

[@whlawson5812]

There is this little known issue of the inner layer of air cond hose delaminating. This can cause partial blockage of air cond gas. Search thru U tube.

[@abuzarmohdazfi9923]

To complete the segment by reviewing V60 or S60 and A4 of the same era.

[@Lonewolf-kw8gg]

Very nice review of the w204 range, your knowledge of these vehicles impressed me, for example many reviewers of these cars are unaware that the c204 and c207 are basically the same car and share not only the platform/engines but many other parts. I agree with your assessment of the build quality of the w204 especially the facelift version, the interior finish is outstanding and as you mentioned the action of the auto gear selector feels like the bolt action of a quality rifle. I have owned the S204 Kompressor 2009 model and now have a 2014 C204 250cgi both great build quality but the C204 interior is a serious step up. I have driven several W205/S205 and C205 cars both diesel, hybrid and petrol version's and although they drive well the same build quality just isn't there especially when it comes to the interior finish and the fact so many body panels on the 205 version are aluminum you don't get that same vault door thud when closing the doors or boot for example. I am very pleased with my C204 and plan to keep it for several years still, having only covered 55000km so far it's just about broken in.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Yes, the way things click in the W204 is very satisfying! Which country are you from? According to my used car dealer friends, there has been a sudden drop in W204 demand here in Malaysia.

[@Lonewolf-kw8gg]

@@KonWaiLuen Belgium, still plenty on the roads here.

[@alvinchan7635]

Hi Kon, been catching up on your videos. Btw im deciding between this C180 and the same gen (facelift) E250....putting price aside, which should I get? It will be a daily driver with reliability and maintenance cost in mind for another 5-10 years or so of use.

[@KonWaiLuen]

E-Class for sure

[@alvinchan7635]

@@KonWaiLuen How about the lack of B pillar n E, in terms of road noise...and durability/security.....also I noticed the rear of the E is long, will it hit the ramp up and down multi story carpark? Thanks for your quick reply!

[@ghazwanrifqi]

been eying for this car for a while. is it hard to find the spare parts? and how about the fuel economy for this car?

[@KonWaiLuen]

Not hard to find parts. Fuel economy is good. Buy.

[@cynthiawongyeemei6009]

Hi Mr Kon.. I have been looking for this model W204 and recently found one. I am retired and need a bullet proof car.. low maintenance until I cannot drive any more. Year make 2012. Millege high at 136555. Appreciate your advice. Tqvm😊

[@KonWaiLuen]

Hi Cynthia, can you drop my team a line at 012-488 0367? Will advise you on what to look out for

[@cynthiawongyeemei6009]

❤

[@billylaw2875]

I feel u bro

[@firdausasri509]

I'm not sure if W204 drives like a Beemer. Have one in the family, C200 CGI but with 7 speed gearbox. One thing for sure it's my favourite generation and maybe just maybe a modern W124. Almost everything about it are engineered to last.

[@KonWaiLuen]

It's no Bimmer, but it's the closest of all the C-Class generations. Haha

[@sivabai]

C200 kompressor 2007 model reviews

[@trustgtr33]

M271 engine supercharge or the m271 evo on the CGi has one inherent issue is the cam phasers jamming up and stretch the timing chains...catch them early by listening for clattering sound on cold starts, usually for a few seconds..interior plastic tend to crack and fall off due to age. 5 speeders are robust but early 7 speeds can be problematic. Compared to my old e60 BMW, 10 years now into my A207 250 cgi...Mercedes proven much better terms reliability

[@KonWaiLuen]

I feel the M271 1.8 CGI pulls smoother than the M274 2.0 that replaced it.

[@trustgtr33]

@@KonWaiLuen i agree with you with the solid feel of the 204 and 212 models taking it back to the 124. Mercedes did mention that they responded to the complains fro the 210 and 211. Quite sad that the 205 has lost that 'built like a tank' feeling..

[@wscheong6701]

Hi, for this c180 coupe, is the power train is 1.8 turbo with 7 speed auto?

[@KonWaiLuen]

Depending on model year, it's either or, but this particular example is a 7-speed, I believe

[@Ackdaddy100]

20:37 I love how you blacked out your butt hahahhaaa

[@RiemsAI]

As my everyday car, i can say what you say about the exterior looks is spot on but when you start saying it is a painless use thats where you got it way wrong. All car has issues even with by the book servicing there are still things in the car that will give you headache and pain. Note that this is not the car for the budget conscious but it is better and cheaper premium car than all the modern day Mercs.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Curious what engine variant are you having? When I say painless, I of course don't mean the car won't break down, or have no wear & tear, but rather that the W204 is such a mature and common product that parts are aplenty and most faults are known and easily diagnosed. Then again, tapping on your experience, do share if you have encountered any particularly complicated or expensive fixes that you've had to face on your car

[@RiemsAI]

@@KonWaiLuen I think the most annoying are the wheel sensors. Tends to breakdown every 1 to 2 years. When it breaks all the safety system in the car will fail too like ABS etc. Cost about RM2K to replace. According the authorised experts at the merc centre, it can also fail if you dont drive the car for longer than 3 days.

[@jasonlim7098]

Well say 👏

[@chanweijiekenny2899]

Bro, review my w204 1.6 7G from Singapore next round! Love my ride max!!

[@KonWaiLuen]

Sure! Bila mari?

[@kelvin.008]

Till the sensors, ESP Module, ECU, cam gears.. fail😅

[@Mattheo76]

I have an c200 cdi since 2011 and it has 410 000 on the clock. Great car...no big issues.

[@KonWaiLuen]

Not surprised. I still think it's the best built of all C-Class

[@Mattheo76]

@@KonWaiLuen I would agree. BMWs have way more issues. Every new engine.

[@iamjonathanng6657]

Do the W212 next!

[@KonWaiLuen]

hahaha.. working on that!

[@joedennehy386]

Amazing in New Zealand in 2024 you can buy a 2012 to 2014 c 250 or cdi or 200 for 30.000 ringgit

[@AndrewTate0017]

I think i buy this car model as sedan

[@ezzatmohdazmi4704]

Good video. Only that feels tired waiting bcoz the presenter talks quite slow 😅

[@jasearon4532]

I do agree but the C 250 is best.

[@KonWaiLuen]

No arguing with you there!

[@ericleong1453]

Cost maintenance not as high compare to other Conti brand !

[@ambientsounds1416]

This is actually C204.

[@jimchokdeesal3057]

i want ...

[@KonWaiLuen]

Drop us a line. 012-488 0367. Will hook you up to seller

[@absolute_abundance]

Well the w204 has the worst interior quality and build !

[@KonWaiLuen]

In terms of design, probably, but I would argue build quality-wise, it feels more solid than the W205.

[@rijcbjlg]

not untill you found out the technology features of this car despite built more thsn a decade ago

[@robertjohn2249]

My W204 is 17 year's old and the interior still looks new. No cracking or tearing whatsoever.

[@JasZg]

Boy,you have no idea what you talking about. W 204 facelift use om651 engine which is very unreliable and unquality..For example timing chain and tensioners,piezo injectors,plastic water pump,rusty rear suspension,bad sensors,cheap plastic interior,steering wheel lock dies...Mercedes stopped to be quality for a very very long time ago.I owned w203 and now w204 and i know what i am talking about. And parts are very expensive by the way and they are not quality at all.

[@KonWaiLuen]

We don't get the W204 with diesel engines in Malaysia. Majority of our units are the 1.8-litre petrol compressor and later CGI engines.