Mercedes level 3 Autonomous Drive Pilot hands-on

(6/9/2023) Mercedes-Benz is the first automaker to get permission from California regulators to sell or lease vehicles with Level 3 (hands-off and eyes-off) self driving tech on designated roads, Reuters has reported. The California Department of Motor Vehicles issued a permit for the company's Drive Pilot system, provided it's used under certain conditions and on specific roads. Mercedes-Benz previous received a similar certification in Nevada.
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[@kevinkurniawan3292]

A lot of people seem to be missing the point. Level 2 automation is still available at all times, above 60kmph, or when it rains, etc. But, when those conditions (below 60, not raining) are met, then you're able to let your hands off the steering wheel completely.

[@holahola-gp6vd]

I think that you miss the point. where can you take your hands of the steering wheel? you cannot drive it in highways.(all highways are over 80 kmp). you cannot drive it in the city streets. you cannot drive it at rain ,snow ,haze ,fog ,or at night. so its essentially level 3 for maybe 2% of your driving time? then yes I agree. its totally "level 3"

[@mylex817]

@@holahola-gp6vd but it takes over in the most annoying situations, in traffic jams where you might have to travel 20 kmph on a highway for an hour, or when there is a construction site. I like driving, except in these situations, so for me this takes a lot of the downsides away, even though it might only be useful for a few percent of the time.

[@NETBotic]

Good for traffic jams, basically.

[@xenofastiq]

​@@holahola-gp6vdYou can't drive it in city streets? There are so many city streets that have speed limits that range from 30s - just 40. Level 3 is perfect for many streets with speed limits like that, not to mention during times where there is lots of traffic , which can happen a lot on busy roads. You are the one missing the point of this.

[@femkeenwichard5040]

I love the Truman show-like setting on the test circuit.

[@The_other_side-]

2:52 i had to roll it back a couple times just to make sure i heard it right 😂

[@collinshead]

Definitely said touch

[@ishaanwassan7009]

Sameeee xD

[@01DOGG01]

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[@geezer74]

I had to turn on the subtitle just to make sure. Okay, subtitle confirms it he said text.

[@falklumo]

Level 3 is pretty insane, even if capped at 60 km/h. Note that it means the car drives unsupervised! You have to start somewhere. The question will be how well the system really works, if you (and Mercedes) feel you can 100% trust it. It is then easy enough to go up. Esp. to speeds as low as 55 or 65 mph ... Note that dropping speed, rain and highway restrictions with Level 3 would make it Level 4.

[@holahola-gp6vd]

as someone who works at that filed since 1999,i can tell you that this systems will NEVER be 100% safe .if anybody tells you different he is a straight up liar. from my experience, this is a weak level 3. the biggest problem with self driving systems is that this technology based on statistical models instead of real time conscious decision making. in reality there are infinite possibilities and the computer cannot predict and understand every new situation he finds "himself" in. if you will drive and read a newspaper or sleep your life is in the hands of the computer """A.I""" nonsense. this systems(the ones that i "program" and check on daily basis are very good at certain situations, especially the auto breaking system that can really save lives(because usually it will autobrake for idiots who play there phones and driving drunk we normal people don't really need this but it defiantly works and saves lives. but the big difference when this system drives for you, its not safe as you might think and sometimes even lame. level 2 is a very good idea, but level 3-4 useless.

[@kaminenianirudh]

But isn't a Level 2 Tesla already doing what you are hoping a Merc will do (i.e., trust driving it at 60 mph) with almost a 99% confidence. That confidence number (i.e., number of no disengagement drives) is almost close of 100% in highways for a Tesla (if you consider the Merc is only able to drive on highways) and not just 2 highways which Merc got clearance for. It drives on all highways in the US. See where I'm going with L3 > L2 argument?

[@falklumo]

@@kaminenianirudh I am not arguing about Tesla vs. Mercedes here. Tesla FSD is pretty amazing by itself. I argue that L3 (which implies 100%) is insane even in the restrictive sense. As Mercedes must take responsibility for every remaining error! 99% is FAR FAR FAR less than 100%. It is the difference between an accident every 100km or every 100000km ...

[@kaminenianirudh]

@@falklumo so the way to think about it is, are you fine with having a 100% (L3) system for 15 miles or a 99% (L2) system for 1500 miles. Which do you think is more practical? Also note that the 99% is easier to improve for the L2 (cuz it doesn't need regulatory approvals like the L3) but the 15 miles is very hard to improve cuz you need to test the system thoroughly to assume all liability.

[@zivadiva]

@@kaminenianirudh it’s level two already does that so it does the same as Tessa but when you put it in three the difference is it takes legal responsibility over for the driver if the car is in level three and you’re playing by the rules and for any reason it racks Mercedes legally is on the hook for everything that happens that would include even if it killed somebody. Now your conscious may differ but by the law they have taken responsibility from the driver while in level 3 mode. Yes it’s quite limited for level 3 mode but the reason makes sense they aren’t just saying it can drive for you for a bit they are saying they will be responsible for your ticket or legal ramifications should any arise while it’s still in level 3

[@brianrom9993]

Does this do red light detection or stop signs?

[@the_sleepy_engineer]

When do you drive on the highway under 38mph? Lol this is dumb

[@timmyjan]

i like the guys preview

[@kingatowning]

Less than 40 miles an hour only on the highway? LMFAO

[@NasaRacer]

I love how if you make the exact same kind of comments in the comments section for this video in any video about Tesla Autopilot or FSD Beta it is blasphemy, FUD or shilling for big oil.

[@elck3]

Glad you love it, because it's true.

[@erebostd]

Very cool 😁👍

[@collinshead]

Max 37mph, only on the highway, on sunny days, with preloaded maps that rely on gps to update continental drift. Only use case is stop and go commuter traffic...at which point it's not doing much more than radar assisted cruise control.

[@Th3Vik1ng]

The big difference is you do not have to pay attention and can LEGALLY use your phone or watch a movie.

[@zerix01]

@@Th3Vik1ng lol legally? Hahaha try that in my state and see how that state cops handle that one. This is a joke. It's not even on the highway, this was a closed test course. So yeah of course it works so well. Can you engage it off the highway? My Tesla can.

[@collinshead]

@@Th3Vik1ng unless there's an emergency vehicle or construction or other disruption to normal traffic pattern...which is probably the reason you're only going 30mph on the highway.

[@RareKino]

@@Th3Vik1ng Wrong. You still have to pay attention. Thats why there's a camera monitoring sensor that tracks whether or not your eyes are paying attention to the road. Its an extremely limited conditional "level 3" meaning you still have to takeover in situations. Only time you dont have to pay attention is in a "Level 5" system. This system is like Tesla autopilot with camera monitoring system, but useless except during sunny day in a rush hour. Where Autopilot from Tesla works in just about any conditions, day/night/rain/snow/etc at any legal speed limit and without needing HD map.

[@Thezuule1]

@@RareKino as he said in the video, it only checks that you are physically in the seat. He doesn't have to pay any attention to anything for the system to continue driving the car.

[@davem45]

Let's see it in real world scenario not a test track...

[@BrianKabonyo]

Better than having to still keep your hands on the wheel and fighting to keep the autopilot on the actual road with the ever expensive "fully self driving" feature in the other car.

[@davem45]

I have FSD use it every day about 100 miles a day and I’m not fighting to keep it on the road.

[@soundnutz]

Any technology increasing autonomy in driving will be good for handicapped elderly and vets altho audi and Tesla technology along with Hyundai and Honda already have allocated slow levels doing compact things .i can't wait to see which car companies actually figure out level 4 and 5 technology as most highways in USA speedway limits generally 65 or 70 mph...but i am genuinely interested in this feature on my next vehicle

[@CosmicD]

I don't know, i'm only going to trust it when all cars do it minority report style. Because there's still too much risk for human errors and it can't predict everything.

[@floriannagl9193]

nice

[@antster7]

This vs supercruise 2.0?

[@TeslaonFSDNYC]

Can’t drive in the rain 🤔 we’ll no one in Seattle is getting this 😑

[@DerekKerton]

Cool, BUT: it specifically doesn't work in the domain where a system like this would deliver value, that is in the 80 -130 kph category. "Under 60 kph" is weaksauce. Tesla's L2 system isn't as elaborate or feature-rich, but it works where I want it. I'm hardly saying Tesla is better, just that you need to provide a solution to where there's pain or a use case, not to somewhere else. If there's famine in Ethiopia, providing food to Delaware doesn't help.

[@NETBotic]

Hang on, the level 3 is only approved on highways like I-15 BUT it's limited to 60kmh? I guess it's just another traffic jam autopilot then. There are plenty of cars that do this. My Honda CRV does it with a small modification.

[@biomed007]

Does Mercedes Level 2 system mirror’s Tesla’s Autopilot? Is it also limited to 60kph like the Level 3 system?

[@falklumo]

No, Level 2 is not limited in this way but you have to pay attention and regularly confirm control.

[@Durianpieenthusiast]

It would be cool if you guys could go more into the underlying tech as well, what sort of hardware it's using, what sort of software etc. basically make it seem less like a black box.

[@VR_Wizard]

They use lidar making a point cloud of the real world, also a gps module. I guess the cameras are for detecting spead signs and work together with the lidar to detect objects in the way. Detecting the police car probably by microphones and the camera. The software used is probably not open source but many papers and videos exist that describe how robots navigate and this car is in principle a big robot.

[@ivanjermakov]

I guess this dude has no idea. He said that "the thing" on the roof is responsible to include continental drift improving the geodata. This sounds hilarious - pure marketing.

[@Neojhun]

@@ivanjermakov Umm no that's not pure marketing, that's just high precision GNSS with offset algorithm. That is a very real device with very powerful usages. Mainly in long terms multi year studies. But the issue is such data should not be relied on and only used as cross reference backup. It is a nice feature to have but not necessary.

[@Foersom_]

@@VR_Wizard Mercedes Drive Pilot uses lidar, stereoscopic cameras and forward radar. The three methods allow redundancy, even if one of these three system fails (e.g. sun whites out cameras) the car can still drive based on the sensor input from the two other systems. In each of the four corners there is radar that detects traffic in neighboring lanes. In front wind screen there is additional wide angle camera that films traffic light and shows in on the display in the car. So if you too close to the light you would not have to lean forward and awkwardly look up. Additional cameras for 360 surround view.

[@contorta960]

2:53 turns into adult car commercial

[@zivadiva]

it’s level two already does that and so it does the same as Tessa but when you put it in three the difference is it takes FULL LEGAL responsibility over for the driver if the car is in level three and you’re playing by the rules and for any reason it something bad happens Mercedes legally is on the hook for everything that happens that would include even if it killed somebody. Now your conscious may differ but by the law they have taken responsibility from the driver while in level 3 mode. Yes it’s quite limited for level 3 mode but the reason makes sense they aren’t just saying it can drive for you for a bit they are saying they will be responsible for your ticket or legal ramifications should any arise while it’s still in level 3

[@leander9263]

it is geofenced. that means not really "open world", just where they geofenced the road. not as scalable as a vision only system.

[@timeTegus]

I don't get it why it needs so acuret GPS. The car should use sensors for diving and not a accurate map. Because you always have to update the map and the map is not everywhere avaliable .

[@GoodrumMC]

I don’t understand the difference between level 2 and level 3. I didn’t see this car do anything that a level 2 can’t do

[@jaxjaguarz]

How about that glitch in the matrix @5:19?

[@K3v114]

So it’s level 3 only on highways when going below 38 mph which doesn’t exist in America. This is a level 2 car with a highway traffic system. that’s it.

[@tety5775]

Maybe you should look up what lvl 3 means...

[@davidnabers8339]

The future is now thanks to science

[@davevilla1061]

no! the future is now thanks to elon having *alls to move foward even when everyone was laughing at him saying it will never happen.

[@swiftypopty1102]

@@davevilla1061 even Elon didn't exist, this auto pilot still gonna exist in future but there not gonna be a big competition with it.

[@Thezuule1]

@@swiftypopty1102 in the relatively near future many people will choose a car as a service because of driverless tech. Rather than owning a car that spends 99% of its life parked in a driveway you'll just press a button on your phone and a minute or so later a car will pull up and take you wherever. No more insurance, repairs, gas, etc. Just pay the man a few bills a month and just have access to a car whenever you want.

[@swiftypopty1102]

@@Thezuule1so what's the point of u saying? I said bout Elon musk didn't exist and the features still gonna exist and u said we all gonna use this thing??

[@majorspudhead5837]

Public service announcement! This will not be available in a few months and definitely not everywhere in the world. This is geofenced level 3 autonomy. This means the car can only perform on a previously mapped, and regularly remapped, stretch of select roadway. It will be too expensive for Mercedes to "mass map" beyond a limited few miles of heavily traveled roadway. I wish the best to you Mercedes, but this route will be expensive and extremely exclusive... witch all will fall on to the consumer down the line.

[@Mkayy9]

Its day and night from what tesla has😁 it drives slow and this is only highway system. And probably this car will be twice the model 3 price. Hopefully they will catch up in 5 years.

[@alexanderschmidt4503]

Night and day indeed - this is far ahead of anything Tesla has to offer.

[@notbanksy8294]

What no Honda Legend??

[@carlomorischi3435]

Amazing, but please be more specific about the hardware and software of this system: what kind of processor does it have? Who developed the software? Who is the supplier? What cameras does it have and where are they located

[@PizzaRobin]

hardware that bundles sensor data is an Nvidia Chip

[@MatrixJockey]

More than likely it is Nvidia's Orin SoC

[@TeslaonFSDNYC]

If this vehicle is level 3 where did it get all its real world data?

[@TeslaonFSDNYC]

@@kbhasi and this makes it level 3 because they say it is? What happens in real world edge cases?

[@elck3]

Let me be clear, this is LEVEL 3 on highways correct? And highways under 37miles per hour ("60 km/hr")? And in no rain? How is that LEVEL 3; can it do city streets and anywhere else? Do you have to keep your hands on the wheel on city streets? Is it self driving on city streets?

[@jdmoney1000]

Great looking car!

[@redrock4786]

I expect more from you Engadget. This was a shill piece way below the quality journalism standards usually put out by the team. Whoever wrote this script needs fired.

[@deftdawg]

You really need to lower your expectations. Every R.B. piece is this level of cringe.

[@MrStarchild3001]

Nah, 60km hr limit is a deal breaker in USA.

[@cherryocola]

< 60km on highway is a deal breaker anywhere in the world

[@mikefanchin]

Ok... only works IF you're in a geo fenced area IF it's a clear day and IF you're driving less than 37mph 🤣🤣🤣

[@majorspudhead5837]

Yeah, and some comments would suggest people are excited about this limiting teck. 😆

[@MRTOWELRACK]

Canada uses km/h so right away, I thought 60km/h is ridiculous. Typical city speed limits are 50 km/h or 60, with 40 in school zones, but drivers often go 12-20 over. Country roads are rarely below 70 but often 80 with people driving 100. Highways are 100 or 110, and 80 with construction. Unless this system is designed for parking lots, it's practically useless.

[@jemand8462]

it'S because of legal restrictions.

[@BrianKabonyo]

And here comes the Musk fanboys. Breaking news, Musk was wrong about Lidar and Mercedes and others will probably beat Tesla at safe, redundant and acceptable self driving technology soon unless Tesla incorporates Lidar into their autonomous technology.

[@holahola-gp6vd]

@@BrianKabonyo where is your self driving technology? this is clearly a gimmick. you cannot drive it at highways.(under 37 mph) you cannot drive it in the city streets. you cannot drive with it in the night,rain,snow,fog,haze. cannot use it if not geo fenced area. what you have left with? 2% of your total driving time "level 3"? now don't get me wrong. I don't think that tesla is any better in terms of "self driving" nonsense.

[@arieksk]

My Genesis GV80 has similar functions already.. and it's $100,000 less.

[@balokurd17]

Stop lying, you have to keep your hands on these vehicles, and it not even recognize your hands, you have to really have an influence on the steering wheel. And it doesn't even restart itself during congestions, you have to push a button again. Even if hyundai made huge improvements, they engine and transmission is still garbage and it's nowhere as reliable than honda or toyota.

[@petabb]

Pretty good to see but I am somewhat disappointed coming from experience with both Tesla Autopilot and Comma AI OpenPilot. This level 3 is a lot more limited (geo-fenced, highway, and speed limit, lol) than the other 2. But hopefully it will be improved over time.

[@ct1762]

what are you taking about? Tesla has level 2 max. that level 5 video put out almost 3 years ago was fake. no way you can get to level 5 with cameras alone. Musk is an idiot.

[@AutTheWizard]

@@ct1762 well, if Elon Musk is an idiot then why don't you go out and change the world with your mechanicilly genius brain? You clearly know how all of this works to fairly call someone uneducated in this subject? Side note: Tesla cars have way more sensors then just cameras. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. K thx bye

[@BrianKabonyo]

@@AutTheWizard What do you think about Elon Musk arguing with Turing award winning Computer science professors and researchers about the future of AI and saying AI is more dangerous than nuclear weapons? Lol

[@jurycould4275]

The point here is that Mercedes level 3 legally allows you to not pay attention to the road. No fines, no loss of insurance coverage. Tesla lets you do more, even though its not safe, you will lose insurance coverage and be criminally liable. People don’t get this: Any manufacturer and third party provider can let you do more, but it’s about doing more legally so you remain insured and out of jail.

[@jurycould4275]

The reason Tesla is so far behind is simply that they could not afford to invest in researching all those alternative sensors necessary to meet government/insurance demands. Thats why Musk pulled those „only cameras are necessary“ and „full self-driving beta-testing“ stunts; To make people BELIEVE that Tesla is the most tech-advanced automaker. They are not. Obviously.

[@gerhardlamprecht1098]

Mercedes AI is so advanced now that it can get covid?

[@jeebus2495]

2:52 - "I could touch my wife right now"😳...at least i swear that's what I heard initially. 😄

[@jiggig]

This system will not work in the rain. Maybe Lidar isn't the best solution. In northern Europe it will not work half the time.

[@meistere4631]

So essentially Tesla Autopilot is still light years ahead

[@markwinward500]

Why not even mention Tesla - which is undoubtedly the competition to beat? My Tesla FSD quite competently performs well in traffic (level 2+ NOW with level 3 in beta) whether or not on the highway, in the US, and well over 60 kph - in fact, about twice that speed! And what about price? Safe bet Mercedes is going to charge AT LEAST what the press has criticized Tesla for “price gouging.”

[@SDav21]

It can still do level 2 above 60kph better than most and tesla can not do level 3 at any speed. Mercedes takes into account stranded vehicles on the side of the road, emergency vehicles and so much more.

[@deftdawg]

R.B. is Engadget's resident anti-Tesla-shill, he will happliy endorse any car that is 4X the cost and 1/5th the capiability of a Tesla, because that's how he rolls.

[@mikechaouk5999]

Wtf a car I can only drive in dry weather.. I'll ride my bike in the wet.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Engadget 2021 - "Mercedes is putting Level-3 cars on German roads this year." Hmm, it's not just Tesla that misses it's timeline estimates lol.

[@mark99k]

Sad that there's no programming to handle pulling over to make way for emergency vehicles, since that's something a lot of human drivers do poorly.

[@abayamangali]

TBH I am not excited about self driving cars. That probably means that if we are approaching tech like this, we can get to self driving tech pretty soon. I am a guy who likes driving, I enjoy driving. If driving will be replaced with self driving, that will make me sad. At least I hope that this is going to be used as "Cruise control" and we won't have full self driving cars in the future.

[@Thezuule1]

We already have full self driving cars in the present. You can take a Waymo today if you're in the right place.

[@majorspudhead5837]

I love to drive as well, but I would argue that 1.2 million people dying as a result of avoidable crashes a year is unreasonable to settle for. I think the tech is a good idea but would also like to maintain the option to take the wheel when I feel like it. Good day to you

[@holahola-gp6vd]

don't worry you are not approaching any self driving tech. as one who works at this filed for many years ,this tech will always have restrictions. if you watch carefully, you cant drive with this Mercedes over 37mph, what means no highways. you cannot drive with it in the city streets. you cannot drive at night, rain, snow, fog ,haze. you cannot drive it if the arena is not geo fenced. what does it really leave you with?

[@shohruhjurakulov1079]

what is the point of this at all

[@JohnTackman]

Ridiculous, so you can only use this on a test track basically.. any highway is always over 60km/h xD

[@paulmeynell8866]

You are not allowed to use your phone Big fail there

[@holahola-gp6vd]

This mercedes is a very limited level 3. No rain,snow,haze,fog,only works at the days and not nights. Only up to 60 km.(37 mph) And not in the city. Its only level 3 st 5% of the time. Will take good 3 years until you really can call it level 3.

[@bemo_10]

That's what level 3 stands for. It's only conditional. What you are asking for is level 4.

[@cubozoa]

How can this be Level 3 if it doesn’t work in the rain?! Would like to see this demo’d on real roads. A test track demo doesn’t really cut it.

[@Neojhun]

Yep that seems like a massive problem. It is reliant on way too much controlled conditions.

[@cubozoa]

@@Neojhun Seems to me that this confirms Tesla might have the right approach compared to this. If this car needs to know how much the continental plates have moved for it to work accurately, to say it’s a brittle solution is an understatement. Why does Engadget think this is a wow factor. As an engineer this is more embarrassing than a selling point.

[@Neojhun]

@@cubozoa I agree with the failed concept of needing super precision. But it's also nice to have such data if it is affordable to add to the clean data set. But it should not be relied on and such precision meta data should be a backup and cross reference.

[@johnnguyen3834]

SAE Level 3 means it can determine by itself what conditions it can operate in. This allows the driver to be hands off and eyes off the road when the car says it can handle itself. A level 3 system can expand its capabilities over time, but where it can go or where it can't is not part of the Level 3 definition.

[@holahola-gp6vd]

@@johnnguyen3834 its not really level 3 no matter how you will play on words and definitions. level 3 at the bigger picture means partial self driving at certain situations. this system, however has so many restrictions that's its a very weak level 3.(or level 3 2% of the time.) only works on highways. only up to 37mph. what means that its essentially useless on highways.(When do you drive on the highway under 38mph? this is dumb) no driving in city streets. no driving at night, rain ,snow ,fog ,haze. only on geo fenced area. you can call it "level 3 how much as you want. but in reality that's just playing around with definitions.

[@wuznar]

60kph is 37mph...this system is practically worthless for the most part unless you live in a major city and sit in rush hour traffic constantly. If I were driving cross country in the US, it would not work on 95% of the drive while on any interstate system, and the fact that it can not auto reengage when one of the many things that kick it offline is less than desirable considering this car will obviously cost a ton of money. Not much bang for the crazy town bucks. Keep working Mercedes, this gimic would only be useful if it were on a go-cart at this stage.

[@QuietStormX]

On a Test track ;-(

[@108077854]

Self driving will never be safe unless every car is self driving and relying on sensors placed on the road instead of cameras and lasers

[@TeslaElonSpaceXFan]

Level 3? Tesla: Hold my beer.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

Tesla's beer would be quite warm by now...

[@ihaveworms2078]

So with this car it works up to 60km/h = 37.28mph. The BMW system in my X5 can do hands free up to 40mph. Although level 2 it is about the same experience and isn't geofenced.

[@TeslaonFSDNYC]

Ooooh geofence 😪

[@cristian-si1gb]

There's really nothing "level 3 autonomy" about anything the car was doing in this video...

[@Niko-kf7ue]

Thats the problem with autonomous driving. People don't see it, because the car does nothing "flashy". It just drives itself while the driver watches a movie. Is this exiting? Absolutly not, but still it is desirable. And very hard to achieve (the part that the driver can watch a movie and does not need to supervise the car)

[@cristian-si1gb]

@@Niko-kf7ue That's not what I'm talking about...

[@Niko-kf7ue]

@@cristian-si1gb What are you talking about then?

[@cristian-si1gb]

@@Niko-kf7ue I'm talking about the fact that there's really nothing impressive about what this car is doing. It barely did more than to follow the road lines while it's supposed to be a level 3 autonomous car... Lol.

[@ilyaholt8607]

@@Niko-kf7ue Level 3 autonomy implies that the car can handle most typical driving situations and only needs the driver to be there, alert and ready to intervene in case of errors and edge cases. "Most typical driving situations" includes rainy weather, unclear road markings, city streets, construction zones, etc. A system that can only be used in sunny weather at 60kph or below on a select number of highways is far from Level 3.

[@louididdy]

1:25 - That’s a horrible hump/dent wow!

[@BrianKabonyo]

Remember when Elon Musk said Lidar (what everyone is using in the industry and every expert vouches for) is a "fools errand"? Well one of the "fools" just beat his company to level 3 lol.

[@andrekoniger3020]

Only to rely on cameras to achieve full autonomy is a fruitless endeavour.

[@chrisja1998]

But did Elon really fail? I’m concerned Mercedes is promising too much currently. In the video it’s a test facility. If all Mercedes on normal roads will be able to drive like this that’s a huge win to Mercedes’. But currently I think it just looks like an advanced autopilot that only works on highways- and to my knowledge only very few highways in Germany currently. But I may be wrong

[@MatrixJockey]

THIS IS IN NO WAY NEAR CLOSE TO FSD!!!

[@markwinward500]

My Tesla FSD Beta does everything you described and more. In addition to hazard avoidance, smooth acceleration and advanced cornering, unlike the Mercedes system my FSD Beta is NOT geofenced and WILL navigate on secondary streets. Oh, and it’s speed limitation is about twice that of the Mercedes - 65 KPH vice 85 MPH (137 KPH) in the Tesla. Although I must gently rest my hand on the wheel and am not permitted to watch movies, Tesla FSD is only limited by Tesla’s developers, not its inherent software capabilities. Based on your reporting, Tesla’s FSD is clearly more advanced than Mercedes’ comparable offering which surprisingly has received Level 3 certification ahead of Tesla. It baffles me why the American media and its lawmakers make believe Tesla doesn’t exist - when this American automaker is clearly the competition to beat in the FSD and EV fields. In general, Tesla’s boast faster acceleration than most other EVs - and just try driving your Mercedes EQS across the US without the Tesla Supercharger network and see how that works out for you. Putting aside any accusations of more questionable influences by legacy auto manufacturers on the media and lawmakers, perhaps it is because Tesla refuses to become a union shop. Still, in my mind, American made products top unionized mostly-foreign made products.

[@MrShahramk61]

They just changed the definition of level 3 😂 under 37 mile/h is basically nothing

[@BrianKabonyo]

You seem to think speed is the only determinant to how good a self driving car is lol.

[@MrShahramk61]

@@BrianKabonyo seems like you don't realize they don't even take it out of test track. Find one video of it in real world scenario. Lol

[@BrianKabonyo]

@@MrShahramk61 Maybe Mercedes takes the safety of their system seriously instead of calling their driver assist "full self driving" when it's anything but. Anyway Mercedes just beat Tesla to Level 3, maybe if Tesla didn't keep on yapping about how Lidar is a "fools errand" when redundancy is never a bad thing in self driving systems.

[@MrShahramk61]

@@BrianKabonyo there is a huge difference between autopilot and FSD. Tesla never claimed their system is full self driving and it always warns you to keep your hand on the wheel and pay attention. If someone is reckless is companies that label their systems level 3 without having a data to back up their claims or show it in a real world scenario. Until it is not in the hand of customers I can't judge them. And I can bet you haven't step in a tesla before or tried autopilot.

[@blackballoon4u]

This so-called "Level 3" that mercedes benz is claiming doesn't even come close to the Tesla's FSD. Tesla doesn't even call their FSD Level 3 because they know they are not there yet, it is close but not yet. There are tons of videos in KZbin on how good Tesla's FSD. Only Highway and under 37mph, that's 2year old FSD.

[@HaydenLau.]

Nvidia helped develop this tech

[@greysea4841]

Car enthusiasts rejoice. The future is that you get into your car, that has no exhaust note or character, and do nothing except surf your phone as it takes you to work so you can pay for the stuff your buying on Amazon. How nice.

[@agv172]

Can't drive it in the rain, can't drive over 60km, geo fenced to highways and preloaded maps... Seems like playing in the sand box under mom's supervision. Totally useless!

[@jhon__1940]

Level 3..LOL 🤣🤣 This is not even close to autopilot or Tesla FSD which is also a level 3 system , but FSD can travel anywhere.

[@Foersom_]

Tesla does NOT have a level 3 autonomous system, it is only level 2 ADAS.

[@MrShahramk61]

If it is so great why is it still in test track? Why would you need extra accurate GPS? Why wouldn't it work in the rain? Oh wait I know why lidar doesn't work in rain. And it only works under 37 mile/h 😂 Guess who has better system? Tesla

[@jaromsmith2436]

Well… rats. I was really excited about this car, but it sounds like it’s not really worth it yet.

[@stephenm2989]

Does he work for Mercedes? He says it's so wonderful.... But it really doesn't work in almost all situations. You still have to be ready to take over, it just let's you do some other things for a few seconds at a time. But it can tell you at any time to take over for MANY reasons. Rain, fog, faster than 60 kph, not on a detail mapped highway (how many miles of those exist?)… No thanks. Stick with level 2 until you can have a real level 3. Don't make up crap definitions to call yourself level 3 when it really isn't. Also, you shouldn't fawn over the crap features when they aren't really useful.

[@shinoMusic]

Don't talk if you don't know the definitions of the different levels. Level 3 autonomy just means that you do not need to be attentive while the system is engaged. What you are describing is level 4 autonomy and even that can be geofenced.

[@ahmedalkaabi]

Mercedes still need more time to get what Tesla have . Don’t compare Mercedes’ with tesla technology. Tesla is the best. Alway we get an update with new features for the drivers❤️

[@zivadiva]

i,Robot anyone?

[@mattcole5233]

Geo fenced. What a joke!

[@peteedgley1332]

So doesn't work in the rain 🌧️ and only in pre mapped test tracks...😵‍💫

[@mrmonkeboy]

if only there was a way to map other things .... oh wait.... maps exist.

[@deftdawg]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Slow down! It can only go 35mph! lol

[@ifrs9989]

This "self driving feature" is a total joke, Tesla is literally light years in front with their FSD

[@scienceisreligion5618]

Lol.. Tesla have Lvl 2 semi autonomous😂😂 and you are here to say they are better??😂😂😂 Tesla doesnt even use LiDar for your info. The youtubers just scam on saying they are full autonomous😂😂 acting like sleeping. The sad part is Tesla even didnt got approved for autonomous

[@jiggig]

@@scienceisreligion5618 The whole problem is Lidar. That's the reason this car will NEVER be able to drive in the rain. Using lidar will work under curtain circumstances, but it will never work for real world driving.

[@scienceisreligion5618]

@@jiggig so you say Camera is better😂😂 there are developments for Lvl 5 by Trucks but there needs lot of proofs. Not just rains.. but what if snow cover car suddenly? And for offroad car like hills or other place how will it react would be developed and I dont think Tesla can achieve it. LiDar is More Scanner thing so it will work better and for offroad Gear development needed.

[@hyp-o-crite-]

this system is way.... behind tesla, baidu, intel,.....ect

[@WittyDroog]

Tesla is Level 2, friend

[@jackwhitlock1]

@@WittyDroog Basic Autopilot is level 2, FSD Beta is level 3

[@WittyDroog]

@@jackwhitlock1 Oh yeah, that thing that has been delayed forever and now you have to pay extra to upgrade equipment that they assured you that you didn't need to upgrade because they can't help but overpromise AND is only Level 2 according to Tesla itself. "Features that comprise Autopilot are Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. Full Self-Driving (FSD) capability is an additional optional suite of features that builds from Autopilot and is also representative of SAE Level 2," explained Eric Williams, the company's associate general counsel for regulatory matters, in an email sent to a recipient at the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)

[@jackwhitlock1]

@@WittyDroog The first part of your argument is irrelevant. Eric was referring to the public build of FSD, not FSD Beta.

[@WittyDroog]

@@jackwhitlock1 There is no where beyond vague Musk tweets that FSD is or even will be Level 3. He can promise all he wants but until he can prove it fits the criteria it's Level 2 with some extra features (Tesla likes calling this 'Level 2+') There is no document where Tesla claims FSD will be autonomous despite calling it self-driving, because they're not there and without LiDAR it's a very uphill road to travel. It's very exciting stuff but we have these definitions for a reason, to set customer expectations

[@gunner_3]

Lol, this is so basic compared to even Tesla's free autopilot

[@scienceisreligion5618]

😑😑dude Ajay.. Tesla has shitty Lvl 2 Semi Autonomous and Mercedez got lvl 3 approved.

[@tPL2g34]

This sounds really horrible. It seems like Daimler has a significant weakness with their autonomous driving software because they need so many sensors. Furthermore, they don't seem to think very far ahead in relation to cost-efficiency (many unnecessary sensors = high cost). Since this is already over one year old. I really and sincerely hope for Daimler that they made quantum leaps regarding their tech. plus: not working while raining? WTF?

[@georgecostanza2695]

Sorry but that’s not true L3 automation… it’s just an impressive demo vehicle. Tesla’s FSD beta program is far more advanced, deployed on real roads, with real drivers.

[@kelownatechkid]

Lmao won't work in the rain

[@kalu19991]

Totally useless. Doesn't work in the rain, doesn't work above 60km/h.

[@shadowtrader-options]

Shits all over Tesla

[@majorspudhead5837]

Great satire here 👏 👍

[@SuperMachead1]

There is no competition in self driving….I just now watched a video from 2016(5 years ago)…where a Tesla model S was doing this….now Tesla’s are actually driving themselves completely ….through neighborhoods…just put in your destination and the car will take you there…that’s how far ahead of everyone else they are….

[@majorspudhead5837]

@@SuperMachead1Tesla is indeed light years ahead 😎

[@jonathanlivingston7358]

What a joke you are Mercedes! You must have bribed someone to get authorized to call this car level 3 when it’s actually worse than the best level 2 car out there.

[@stevenjtorodeleon9123]

this is worset than what tesla had in 2014

[@cherryocola]

Lol, < 60km on highway = useless

Doomed! Lidar is a fools errand

[@biomed007]

I disagree with Elon Musk on that. I think my Tesla can use a Lidar. It is very very very hard to make a computer learn by visuals alone like a human brain, because all they can mirror with the supercomputer is just the pattern recognition part of the brain, but they cannot replace the true frontal lobe decision making ability that humans make when something weird comes on the road, or when you are faced with multiple choices. We do that unconsciously.

@@biomed007 how would Lidar help you with Visuals?😂 Lidar cant read signs

[@biomed007]

@ 3D perception. My Tesla almost crashed numerous times when a lane was getting slowly closed with cones. Does it not see the cones? Of course it does, but the 3D perception and depth is not there, probably coupled with inferior decision making.

@@biomed007 but you dont drive the FSD beta. So What you say is 100% invalid.

[@MRTOWELRACK]

For the foreseeable future, the cost of LiDAR makes it prohibitive on individual passenger vehicles. However, LiDAR is particularly useful for data collection in which money is less a concern, like what Google Waymo is doing - loading up the vehicle with sensors to collect as much data per mile.

[@dr-ok3sn]

stick to phones, y’all aren’t car journalists

[@Neojhun]

LOL He literally is mainly a Car Journalist. He also writes for Car & Driver.

[@dr-ok3sn]

@@Neojhun yeah totally, did you ever watched other videos of them? just terrible and a mess, so what’s your point of defending something like that?

[@Neojhun]

@@dr-ok3sn Dude i'm not defending anyone. I'm just stating facts. You can perceive the facts anyway you want. You just can't deny them.

[@curtisbme]

@@dr-ok3sn If you are going to be more than a basic troll, you need to state what he did that was incorrect or at least what you felt like was lacking. As Neojhun correctly pointed out, saying "stick to phone reporting" is useless whining especially when you are talking about someone who is primarily a car journalist.

[@parvezahmedjalil7310]

Crap system.. Shows how behind legacy auto is when it comes to autonomous tech and software.. 😂

[@MrShahramk61]

Thanks for reminding me to UnSubscribe

[@ct1762]

the so-called "Genius" Elon Must decided cameras alone were enough for level 5 self driving. You have to be on a whole different level of arrogance to not also use Lidar/radar. Which is why Tesla is still stuck on level 2 aka glorified cruise control. Mercedes and even Ford have better engineers than Tesla, and over 80 years of automotive expertise. Tesla will be $70 per share in 1-3 years.

[@scienceisreligion5618]

Tesla scams using KZbin Naive people😂😂 and they feel like Lvl 5 😂😂😑

[@gaylon747]

Face diaper; really?