Mercedes Camshaft position sensor p0016, p0017

[@philadv]

The problem it's NOT the oil pump or cheap oil, it's the quality of the metal (to soft) they used make the balance shaft, well documented everywhere. Great video, tks.

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

You are absolutely right, the video was done before Mercedes assumed liability

[@philadv]

MBT OF ATLANTA Mercedes Master Techs unfortunately they never did the official recall 🤯

[@offbeatmedia-farshad]

David, Thank you so very much for taking your time and answering all my questions. You are one of a kind and I'm grateful for your guidance. You answered all my questions and guided me on the right path. Please create an account so that we can financially support your channel and the time you spend making these great videos. Again, Thank you.

[@sdenney89]

Wow! I can’t believe how helpful all your merc videos ! Your freakin awesome! I’m a professional mechanic and the time you put into your video are unbelievable! I’ve learned invaluable information that keeps me passionate about mercedes and the engineering that’s is involved in these vehicles,,,,,, I can watch your videos over n over n over Your the best at whut you do!

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Stephen Denney thanks for watching my videos, people like you encourage me to continue doing my videos. Thanks.

[@robertporter4501]

I wish someone would be "freaking awsome" showing me how to replace the CRANKSHAFT position sensor on a 2005 C230 Kompressor. Everything I seen so far is useless. The sensor is down below the left rear corner of the cylinder head, but how the devil do I get in there?

[@antwontaylor9765]

DIYer great vid

[@olaomishore]

I was getting code p0015 and p0019 on my s550. My mechanic replaced all four crank shaft actuator sensors. Now, I’m getting three new codes, p00016, 18, and 19. Car drives fine and all. Please, help.

[@jfossen1318]

Very grateful for the informative video. Allowed me to rule out the infamous camshaft sprocket balancer issue. Wasn't certain if my ML350 was one of the ones affected, but after oil change with no evidence of metal shavings or pieces and then successfully performing the alignment procedure you provided, I was able to get my issue resolved by just replacing the 2 - bank 1 sensors. P0016 & P0017 codes have gone away and now I can get it smogged. Thank you!

[@captain.america]

Can you tell which one exactly sensor A and which one B? I mean if we looking on two of them staying with open hood?

[@elianangelmoreno]

@@captain.america yah you can tell in the video he has the code with bank A sensor 1 which then he shows us physically in the motor and the passenger bank is bank 1 and the left sensor is sensor A. I don’t know the orientation of the driver side bank however

[@elianangelmoreno]

Do you know what it means if you did find a small amount of very fine metal shavings In the oil? I changed my oil as soon as I got the code and it said bank 1 sensor A and I performed the test with crank at 305 and both cams were aligned for bank 1 so I just replaced the sensor but now I’m scared to drive it

[@nttam1920]

@@elianangelmoreno Which one is sensor B? If you stand and face the front of the engine is sensor B on the right side, the one that is vertical?

[@muttratti1]

@@nttam1920if your sitting in your car faceing the road the a bank is the left side of the engine the B bank is the right side now if you’re looking at your engine faceing the car then the left side is B bank and right side is A bank

[@oda0111]

MB actually recommends using 0w40 for the M273&272 motors. High mileage versions might benefit from the jump to 5 from 0 weight but only if they eat oil, otherwise stick with the 0w. That's what I've been using on my 135k miles M273 for the past 4 years and it's perfect.

[@ANGELRODRIGUEZ-yq8oj]

The "recommended oil" that manufacturers put on those stickers is only the highest bidder at the time it was produced. It doesn't mean it is the best oil for the car. It's all marketing. Mobil 1, Titan, Liqui Moly, Castrol, etc are all the same.

[@glasser2819]

the devil is in the details... in case of oil it is in "additives package" mix and viscosity grade. Everybody swear by xyz oil brand like a religious belief... to each his own. 🙂

[@marcsmith3881]

Great video! I am a former MB Tech and I have never done this job. I have a Master MB tech friend that does them and he gets $3,800 to do this job. The dealers here charge significantly more. Nothing a novice should attempt.

[@harvrindrsingh]

Hi from dubai. Can you suggest which mercedes engine n gear box are reliable for long run

[@EARTHKEENING]

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[@kmovaffagh]

The crankshaft pulley uses a 27mm socket.... he should've mentioned that in the video. Other than that, great video!!

[@magaan4717]

Kamyar Movaffagh I’ll buy me a 27mm socket now. Thanks for the input.

[@uniqueauto9781]

If you dont have a 27mm socket. Dont even try to work on a mercedes

[@davidcox7378]

Your video helped me big time on my 2008 R350 , Camshaft Adjuster Magnets were bad. Replaced them and no more issues.

[@cboyzy9764]

Did you have starting problems

[@mydc2200]

How camshaft adjuster did you replace on bank 2?

[@mikedizzle5273]

I had codes on my m272 engine that indicated that I had a balance shaft issue like he is describing. I pulled the cam sensors and checked to see the small circle stamps through the hole and noticed on bank 2 my cam adjuster was clicking and spitting oil from the front and on bank 1 exhaust camshast timing mark was way off. I changed both the exhaust camshaft actuators and the timing marks came spot on and ran perfect! Things aren't always what they seem.

[@ranbymonkeys2384]

Yup, I have the GL450 and thats what people are saying it is the cam adjusters NOT the balancer. Well, I'm off to start this job and I hope mine is the same problem you had.

[@mikedizzle5273]

@@ranbymonkeys2384 If you get into changing the cam adjuster do all of them. Mine has 2 intake and 2 exhaust. More importantly make sure all timing marks like up perfectly and rotate the engine a few times and recheck timing marks befor starting it.

[@jeffsnyder4696]

@@mikedizzle5273how were you able to see the timing marks? It’s so tight down there it’s hard to get a good angle.

[@mikedizzle5273]

@@jeffsnyder4696 yes I was able to see. Take all 4 cam sensors out and slowly rotate the engine while looking through the empty cam sensor holes. All 4 timing Mark's should rotate in the middle of the holes evenly.

[@mangooc4958]

I have my P0016/P0017 m272 engine swaped, which costs me $3K. Lucky that the problem showed up at 180K mi or 15 years later after i bought the car. I used engineer oil additive to prolong the wear and tear, which seems to work for me. After some premature wear and tear, the Bank #1 CAM timing is advanced and resulted in running hotter. Now everything is back to normal.

[@thescorpio6754]

What did u swap the 272 with and what it cost u? I have to do it also.

[@ChrisCuevas-j1z]

¿Cuáles son los síntomas cuando tienes este problema?

[@ItsMe-ez5hq]

Hello David, I have a 2006 Mercedes ML350, I did all the checking you have mentioned and I have the two round marks you have mentioned, I seen one circle but did not see the other one, my questioned is can you tell me all the parts and gasket I would need to replace the balancer, I have a mechanic said he would do it, I just need the part list and gasket list. I already have the oil and filter, anti freeze, power steering fluid, I know those are the basic stuff. I just need to know so I can order the original parts for the job. By the way, your doing a good job, thank you for the tutorials.

[@akoust1c]

I've got the the death codes p0016 and p0017 together... I'm going to do this test tomorrow but I don't consider myself to be so lucky... LOL I want this guy to do my job! Anyways, keep up the good work and keep the videos coming! This is very helpful!

[@israelmartinez2397]

Kevin Park dude i just bought a 2007 e350 for $1500 the car is mint condition but unfortunately the check engine is on with those two same codes, so my question did you ended up fixing it? and if you did how much did you ended up paying

[@streetlife8244]

Sam Otab did u end up fixing it I got the same codes on my 2007 e350 lol

[@onlytoloveyou1]

dis way = clockwise, counter clockwise = dat way

[@82stuntman]

onlytoloveyou1 The guy knows his Mercedes engines though.

[@TravelKings_kings]

Hello can you do this job for mines please let me know I can have my Mercedes towed to your shop....

[@MonaHarrisVlog]

I like his knowledge no matter how his accent is. Great job sir on your videos.

[@corzabourne2101]

Lefty loosey righty tighty

[@kidchris7693]

Just picked up One of these at an auction today. thank you for your help!

[@hobie0001]

I did this test and got lucky, mine lined up perfectly! Thanks for the video.

[@NewdeeMoe]

Did you get fault codes? Replaced the sensors?

[@elianangelmoreno]

Did you replace the sensor and did the code go away

[@EARTHKEENING]

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[@daowause]

Very informative video. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I'm a professional mechanic and have a hard time getting good information. You saved me a lot of time!

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

glad I could help

[@commodoreras]

This is one of the best videos in Tube, very informative, straight to the point, no other BS like some other jackasses “hey guys look how cute my dog is or how cool my stupid music is.... blah blah blah” Thank you for your great videos David, I learned a lot from your videos and both my E Classes (2001 and 2011) runs like a clock. You are 1700 miles away from me but if I lived in GA, you’d get my business any day.

[@AggieAze]

Very helpful, very informative video. I could feel how disappointed you were when you didn't get it at 305, that its taking too long. But dont you worry man it still was a great vid. Thank you very much for your effort!

[@byronsosagt3224]

Thank you so much for sharing this video, very well explained and simple. I am going to test mine tomorrow as I have random missfires on cyl 1 2 3 and P0017 code. I am hoping this is not my case but I have a feeling that this is going to be my problem.

[@ginolovari5440]

What was your problem

[@byronsosagt3224]

It jumped a few teeth, I did the test and the right circle aligns perfect but the left one doesnt. At least I know now that it needs a new timing kit. Your video was very helpful to diagnose. Thank you.

[@georgecarmona1817]

Thank you for the help,put 4 magnets and 4 new sensors and the check engine light came back on rite away,I'll do the test but would it help to put the titan oil in now before test or is it too late?

[@sirseanisrobinson1515]

I did the same thing to my Customer's car and it didn't fix the problem.

[@Chris-yy5pj]

Hi sir, I have a 06 CLK350 with 118k miles and I'm getting P0016/17 as well as p0021 codes. I also had misfire codes on the entire passenger side bank however the car had no misfires. I went ahead and replaced the spark plugs all around regardless and I'm still getting the misfire codes even though the car has little to no vibration and feels factory new. I don't think it is the timing shaft or Ballance shaft and I've just had the intake manifold replaced 8k miles ago and I've done everything I can to try and figure out my problem. I've disconnected the battery to reset the codes but they all still popped up when I reconnected it. The car is not sluggish or shaky at all and is still very peppy and I'm only getting a solid Check engine light. Do you have any recommendations as to what I should do? I'm truly stumped. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

[@charlessmith918]

great video David ... you are communicating at the perfect level on technical issues and I enjoy your blunt opinion to what is/was the cause of the problem. I am doing the check this weekend and hope for the best. Thank you

[@aboGTR]

I get the same codes and my car seems to run perfect! 21 city mpg and 27 mpg highway. Starts fine , runs fine, no strange sounds. 2006 e350 base, has this been the case for all of you?

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Adam Graves yes, in 95% of the time it runs just fine

[@adesholaakangbe1101]

Mercedes Benz Techs what about the remaining 5%,what actually happens to them?because am thinking of getting a used w164,would you recommend that?

[@bbyfcemoreno8959]

Mine also runs perfectly. Changed the spark plugs and it turned off for a second

[@MannyScoot]

I use Amsoil 5W-40 Full European synthetic since new and my 1999 ML320 just hit 359,000 miles !

[@saudrahimi520]

First of all thank alot from you informative videos , i also have these code P0016 and P0017 and my vehicle is w204 2012 so mechanic's told me to change the camshafts adjuster both intake and exhaust now I'm confused what should i do. Please reply, thanks

[@ingridlake8736]

Your so right bout us always looking the cheap way out that's why our cars is all jacked up🤣🤣 lesson learn thank you much I'll be reaching out to this company I see your located in GA yessssss💯🥰

[@growingforlife2489]

I have this problem but for the driver side of the car. I was wondering if the test to see if the cams are in the correct position is the same. putting the crank shaft at 305° then checking if the circles on the cams are aligned with the holes? or if the crank shaft position needs to be placed at a different degree to check for the driver side cams? thank you so much this video is amazingly helpful!!!!

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

growing for life 305 will align all cam sensors at the middle but since the valve are always pushing the cams away from each other you will be able to see only one side off at the time...

[@growingforlife2489]

Mercedes Benz Techs thank you so much

[@donaldstewart444]

This man is a very good teacher.

[@MrSuperwoman32]

Thank you for your video. But I was wondering if these have been a common code reading's for the 2008 E350 Mercedes?

[@ken5ism]

The cause is a gear on the balance shaft inside the motor made of inferior material that wears down after a short amount of time and causes the camshaft to lose it's alignment. Oil grade is for lubrication of the metal parts inside of the engine and slight cooling, only! But the video is correct to a certain degree.

[@shckltnebay]

Thanks for the VId but this is NOT DUE TO IMPROPER OIL, my car has 44600 miles and has had Mobile 1 oil changed every 10k miles, and has already thrown these codes, its due to inferior materials used be Mercedes for the crank shaft sprocket!!!!

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Eric sin correct, Mercedes made a bad part.

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Eric sin it’s not the crankshaft sprocket, it’s the Balance shaft

[@robertporter4501]

I have two Mercedes C230 Kompressor coupes, a 2004 and 2005, one with 164,000 miles the other about 85,000 miles. I've had no grief with the engines. When coming up to 250,000 on the 2004, in a moment of insanity I took it to 132 mph and it was gaining speed when my fear of getting copped convince me to take my foot off the gas pedal.

[@doctorstrange1734]

Robert Porter you might have had good luck with your Mercedes, but most people don’t. Ive owned both Mercedes and BMWs and in my opinion, they are not worth it. Prestigious cars, semi-good looking, but not very reliable and expensive to fix. I switched to Lexus because I don’t like throwing my money away. After Lexus, no more european cars.

[@glasser2819]

@@doctorstrange1734 you are so very right! German cars are built to eat junk parts predictably so companies can have a chance to compete. Japanese companies licence the Bosch technologies and managing their own quality. Worldwide transportation: air, rail, road and maritime is dominated by German technologies. Japanese have been their longtime partners for centuries.

[@cbsautosevicesllc.circlesh368]

David, aka Crankshaft God, I loved your video.. I have yet to see a better vid than what you made. Thank you!!!!!

[@noelmaldonado3870]

Very detailed explaining the process of checking and problems of a bad balancer.

[@sksevents]

Hi David. Great Video. I have a 2006 ML350 V6 with 55,000 Miles, P0016 & P0017 diagnostic codes. Wondering where you are based and how much do you charge to fix this if the balancer needs replacement. Thanks.

[@bartholomewnwobu1142]

Please I need to see timing March ml 4matic 350

[@kloeungpat8380]

Hello David, I bought a 2007 ML350 with 205,658 miles on it. Got error codes P0016 and P0017. Reset it but came back. After watching your a video, I think it's related to camshaft balancer. I check 305 Mark only saw 3/4 of mark on one hole and other not see it. I want to ask you personal opinion on this one. how long can I keep driving before it won't start or run? Thank you David.

[@pastormichaelhibbertminist7486]

how long did you get out of that motor...i have the same thing

[@CelsoEstrada-kk8fb]

I like s way u explain hope someday u will guide or help me incase I have some problem with MBZ cars..

[@firerx]

guys, it's the balance shaft gear wear

[@jeffsnyder4696]

Hello. Great video and if I lived in the ATL I would for sure be making an appointment. On the passenger side I have changed the 2 sensors and magnets. Seeing your video for the first time I need to check for the circles. I am having a heck of a time figuring out how to see the numbers to find 305. Are the numbers and the line you’re speaking of at the bottom or top? For the life of me I cannot see them. It’s a 2010 e350 4Matic. I had the p0016 and P0017. After changing the sensors and magnets only the P0016 went away. Also, does the drivers side need to be changed too? Thanks so much for reading this.

[@jeevan270578]

Is it should adjust the timing chain but how the camshaft position may runaway ? Great video. Thanks

[@Irishirish-xl5tz]

Thanks for the video! Great information. Can you tell me how I check to see if the sencor is bad? Or do I simply see if the circles alien? If thye do the sencor is BAD??? How do I knonw its not the magnet? Also if one side is bad do I have to chane both on the one side or all four?? Any help you can provide would be greatly appriciated. Thanks

[@ve-nature1769]

Irish770 irish770 is your Problem being Solve the issue

[@viktorgorelyy8806]

Hello, my 2007 c230, 2.5 v6. Is lined up at 305 degrees with the circles in the center but I still have the codes. Should I replace the sensors?

[@haydenlogston2164]

Great vid with important info. You did an excellent job explaining.

[@cavensmith2834]

I watched your video on the p0016 and p0017 codes. The stamps on the camshafts were both in the center. Mine is pulling up just the p0016 code. Which sensor would that be on the right side. The one closer to the fender or the one closer to the center of the engine.

[@baba_2072]

Hi, thank you for your videos. I can't imagine that i bought a 2006MB e350 wagon with errors codes p0016, p0017, p2004 and p0019. Only after watching your videos that i realized that i made a big mistake. I also already spent a lot of money on the car fixing and replacing parts. How can you help fixing the errors codes? Thanks you in advance,

[@pattyboybenz6352]

great post .. but oil has nothing to due with it the balance shaft gears were defective in the early m 272 motors the gear would wear out .. probally using cheap oil will cause issues but this problem not related

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Pattyboy Benz correct, I didn’t have all the information at the time of the video.

[@82stuntman]

You mention cranking to 305deg, then it sounds like you rotated 180deg, so are you aligning the top alignment mark to 305deg or 125deg? Thanks for the video, very helpful!

[@AandRMotorsports]

He was 180* out on the camshafts, so he rotated the crankshaft 360* to bring the camshafts to the correct location... Camshafts turn half of crankshaft speed, so it takes 720* of crank rotation to get 360* of camshaft rotation.

[@tonoutauger8172]

Maybe bottom dead center so he needs top dead center on compression stroke.

[@ouuimtelling]

Thank you so much for posting this video, you explained everything very well on how to inspect b4 you r & r sensors, however please tell me what kind and size tool to turn crank shaft front wheel as I dont have one again thank you and I am now subscribed to your channel.

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

27mm

[@ouuimtelling]

Is that a e torqs or something else

[@gilster1969]

Dave you were right on the money engine has to come out :( Thanks for your input!!

[@torchmmaempire]

I see... Thank you for getting back. I live in California. Can I plug in a code reader to perhaps trace issue?

[@paijulawsonijaw9319]

Awesome and helpful video by an awesome mechanic,thanks so much

[@pierrehunter7477]

I think it's not an oil problem but a real problem of the balance shaft on some Mercedes. So i ask 1) Can you change the balance shaft without keep out the engine from the car. 2) Can you change only the pignon at the beginning of the balance shaft by reengenering and clever method without touch anything else. 3) Can i dismounted the back of the engine ( does we have place between the firewall and the engine if we keep out the Automatic BV ) It's seem to me a very challenging mechanic problem because i am interesting in buying a CLK350 with that problem or similarly but i find that 5000 euros or more for changing the shaft is not normal. I don't want to try to repair a car without be sure i will succeed if i am not a Mercedes technician. Thanks a lot for your video and explanations

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

You are right, I didn’t have all the information at the time of the video, bad design. You need to remove the engine and open the timing cover to replace the shaft, I can’t think of any shortcut

[@absbica31]

Hi MBT, what would the symptoms be with someone who has this issue and ultimately needs a new balancer? I have a 2006 ML350...and at this point the cost of such a job outweighs the desire to put that kind of $$$ into the vehicle since it's Kelly Blue Book is probably $2000 We have a series of issues from occasional hesitations or stuttering..but most of our issues seem electrical in nature especially if it rains out (faulty ground, fuse, etc..not sure).

[@norman1712]

I've got a 2006 ML350 with electrical issues too and camshaft codes #16 & 17. Having it looked at right now.

[@melg.5151]

@@norman1712 I have the same codes on my 2006 ml350. Two mechanics told me not worth doing anything. If it’s the Balancer then they have to take out the to replace it. 28hrs X $200 plus parts . The car is just not worth fixing if that’s the case. What did your mechanics say?

[@sean52mcardle]

Excellent video, very well explained and camera work, Thank you very much

[@Aramigo123]

Why not attempt to install new cam adjusters (the pieces right below the cam sensor) ?

[@openbiblechurchinternation3844]

*****

[@cali_cal]

cause it didn't give that code?

[@chadparker8198]

I have this problem. What is the name of the socket you used to turn the crank shaft? I know I don't have that in the toolbox LOL. Thanks for the video. I have those codes. Mine is a 2007 and the TSB for 2007 engines say to replace the sensors. The TSB for the 2006 says replace the balancer shaft. My understanding is that the teeth on the balancer can wear, but since it is on the back, you can't just inspect (or can you?) I've been driving like 25k miles or so with the issue and there does not seem to be anything noticeable except for the check engine light. I got it from a 1 owner with perfect dealership records. back when I bought it, a friend worked at Mercedes and pulled the records. Mercedes...so stupid. They want like 6k to make this issue go away. I just want to pass the stupid inspection (check engine light fails inspections in central Texas) I may hay have a paperweight on my hands.

[@pierrehunter7477]

Do you think it's impossible to change the back counter weight when you keep out the BV and the flywheel If it' s possible many people who have the problem of the balance shaft will win a lot of money by following a precise tutoriel of how doing that job. Moreover i am thinking how can the sprocket be used like that ??? what is the root cause if you have any idea with explanations !!! I think of the tensioner ??? best regards

[@PreppyvibesAdeline]

Hi. My check engine light is on in my 2010 Mercedes GLK 350 4MATIC. I ran the test codes and comes back P0017. The car drives fine, other than little rough idle on a colder day. Not super rough. I erased the codes, had the oil changed and still comes back on after a few miles. Do you think I should replace the sensor or first do this test? I just need it to pass emissions here in ATL. Thanks

[@rustydaily183]

My question is I have an ever so slight sound on the driver's bank directly up front at idle on my 06 ml350.. it runs great though with no cell on .. any ideas ?

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Maybe camshaft sprocket??…sometime it will make a little rattling noise on cold starts..

[@rustydaily183]

Ita actually quiet cold.. when it warms up is when the rattle on idle is heard..could it be the tensioner ? I'm running Castrol 5w30 synthetic.

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

@@rustydaily183 yes, idler.. loser steering pump.. water pump.. AC compressor… alternator.. tensioner… belt… timing chain…

[@dominiquewarren9678]

I have a 2006 Mercedes Benz cls500 do you have a video showing how to change out the transmission output speed sensor

[@dardencopeland163]

I have a 2006 C230 with these codes. CEL has been on for a while with no negative effects. Recently, however, it started misfiring in cylinder 3 and 5, which was noticeable. I am going to replace coils, plugs and wires first to solve the misfire issue, but do you have any other thoughts? How necessary is the repair if the circles do not line up as you have shown in the video? Thank you!

[@Sergeant5e]

I am getting this code and have done what you did. The circles are aligned in my car. What is the problem?? Is it the sensors misreading????

[@josephzamora6741]

Thanks for this I have a 07 e350 is this code the same as camshaft out of permissible limit?

[@ademking7441]

So can you please tell me, that you said on the video if its little bit ,in that case its fine it's ok. I have been check both side of the engine, right side both was in the middle exaxly. Left side was one of it exactly on the middle the one on the left hole was lets say 2mm on the side but not really much. I got today engine light on. Deleted it after drive stop and start again it came back. I changed the cam sensors from left to the right. Right now did not show up the engine light. What i supposed to do? I just bought it today. You think it would be probably the cam sensors?engine runs perfect no shaking no power lose, very smooth. What should I do? Codes was same p0017 and p0016

[@melg.5151]

I did everything you said in this video. The two circles align , I changed oil and replaced sensors and solenoids however the p0016 p0017 still come up . What else could it be?

[@ard9941]

Awesome video. I know you probably get a lot of questions regarding this video and know you are probably a busy guy. I thought I would at least try and ask you what you might think about my situation. I think I may have a similar issue on my 2008 C300 but the error codes I am getting are p0060 and p0064 my check engine light is no off and the car runs just fine. I took the car to my local shop and they told me that they saw that a camshaft sensors was leaking oil. They then told me that the standard practice for this issue is to replace all 4. My question would be is this acceptable? should I just clean the sensor off, should I just replace the sensor that was leaking oil or should I replace all 4? Thank you

[@karrknutt3842]

A quick search of google will show what engines had balance shaft issues, the M273 V8s had problems with balance shaft only up to a certain serial number, mostly ended with the 2006 model year.

[@studentofscience]

scene one cam is on time and one cam is not on time would that not be that the cam advance is stuck on one cam. if the cam on the left of the engine was off on both then the balance shaft teeth are gone because the chain would have more slack? the teeth where not hardened properly during manufacturing on the balance shaft. thanks for the video like it a lot.

[@colinaglae2605]

Thank you for the informative video. Looking forward to the next one,

[@randygohil1155]

David gr8 video. I have a 2010 E350 and having engine start problems occasionally. The battery and alternator have been checked as good.My engine has failed to start on several occasions after the car has been driven or on the first start of the day. I am baffled by this,do you have any suggestions? Thank you

[@meatyklaws8774]

Thank you so much was very helpful to explain to the customer

[@Guro007]

I have exactly the same problem with my Mercedes e350 2006 my mechanic replaced the sensor but it did not fix the problem where is your shop?

[@yahyagulma667]

Thanks for the video, learned a lot. Btw do you know what size the crankshaft bolt is?

[@robertsantiago7855]

as always excellent video with precise details. thanks

[@pierrehunter7477]

Bonjour Do you think that without the converter the automatic BV and the flywheel we can have enough place for dismounting the plate of the cranshaft and the balance shaft and install the back part of the balance shaft and then avoid keeping out the engine ??? second why it's necessary to change the back of the balance shaft if you change the distribution chain and some other parts in the front of the engine. For me it's clear the new back part is the same like the old. Last question the sprocket lose its teeth , why it 's so important if you can adjust the timing chain for the right bank and the left bank ( admission camshaft and exhaust camshaft ) correctly. It seems to me that it's not so important that the sprocket have teeth or no because of the tensionner. I think the problem come from the tensionner. The origin adjustement is too strong so the sprocket become tired and used little by little. I hope i don't take too much of your time with my questions. best regards Pierre

[@dvdmi]

I have a 2009 MB C63 AMG with 67000 miles. Few weeks ago codes P0017 and P1200 came out. These are the only codes I have. Car starts and drives perfect. No strange noises from the engine or other abnormal behavior. Besides CEL everything is fine. I also noticed that Check Engine light comes on and goes off every few days by itself. Do you think I also have a balancer problem???

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

dvdmi no issues with balance shaft but you need to take to a shop that familiar with the engine and have them tight the bolts on the cams, there is only one bolt that holds the cam sprockets to the cam shaft and they get loos, at the same time I recommend they torque your head bolts too

[@dvdmi]

Thanks. I noticed that when it gets warmer (above 50F) CEL always goes off. Also my head bolts were replaced about 25k miles ago (preventive action).

[@karrknutt3842]

The thing on top the engine is the transformer that sends energy to the ignition coils; the ECU engine control unit (computer) is under the fuse box.

[@ranbymonkeys2384]

Nope that is the ECU right on top.

[@teufelhunden5571]

whattt??

[@davebarbieri1380]

Will this procedure also work to diagnose a P0025 (factory code 0064) continuous cam adjustment left bank, incorrect position of exhaust cam? Or is there a similar procedure for the left bank?

[@IvanMedina63]

Hello Mercedes Benz Techs. Wonderfull video, thanks for it. I have a C280 Avantgarde Sport 2006, and have the same vibration problem. The car runs OK but when in neutral vibration is there. They scanned it and said was a missfire. Could missalignment be the problem? Do I always have to check for 305 degrees alignmen? Thans

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Iván Medina you need to check what causing the misfire first.. bad coil? Bad spark plug? Or out of timing? You need a professional diagnosis first

[@serdarvule4520]

Hello David, I own a 2006 Mercedes-Benz c280. The check engine turned on and teo codes showed up at the same time (p0015,p2768). Before it turned on I felt with time how the gears were shifting rough and it was getting worse and worse until the check engine turned on. Now it is stuck in a gear, i believe this all started when i changed the engine oil. What do you think the problem could be? Thank you have a good day

[@serdarvule4520]

Thank you David for answering, I just had one more question. I have a powertrain warranty for 3 months, if it would not be covered by any chance, how much is the estimated cost of the fix?

[@saimasarwat3925]

Where is his reply

[@inehanthony8330]

My engine runs good and no Leaks but I do have an engine light on ..cam shaft cranking correlation sensor A&B are indicating note I have no leaks and th engine starts smooth do I have an expensive repair or just a minor thing It’s a Mercedes e350 2010 OBD (P0016,P0017,P2422)

[@adriangutierrez8177]

I have a 2006 E350 with 153,000 miles. An original balancing shaft would not last 150,000 miles correct? Car drives and idles great. Do you believe the camshaft adjuster magnets could be the issue? I want to try the Titan oil because after I did an oil change one time the light went away (battery was not disconnected at all but the codes came back.) Besides the balancing shaft what else could be the issue?

[@romote451]

Hi David, I have the same problem on my 2006 r350, (same codes) could you please give me a ball park figure of the cost for you guys to fix it, the car is running fine now but I just want to know to schedule the fixing.

[@jamesiyasse9949]

Good video. I went out of the country for a year, my car ( c230) had not been driven for 6 months. Battery died.. I replaced it, drove for about 5 minutes, car stopped ( steering wheel got tough to steer).. car starts but will shut down in a minute. Towed it to the Dealership diagnostic test didn't show anything major wrong apart from an inconclusive test on "CAM." Dealership says it will cost me $900 for their tech to check the "Cams"... I need your recommendations? Thanks.

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

$900 to check the cams??? Hell no!! Takes 30 minutes! Why they need to check the cams? What year and how many miles?

[@kgomotsothelo9776]

Good day Thank you for the video. Quite informative. Please I have the 2008 C200, M271 engine, the error code im getting is "P0017 - Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation (Bank 1 Sensor B)". Tried clearing and it comes back again. Could you assist with the most likely solution

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

Kgomotso Thelo change the camshaft solenoid or you might have a bag battery the problem is not related to your engine

[@aly6565]

I'm getting the p0017 code as well. is the camshaft solenoid the magnet or sensor? also should I replace the intake or exhaust one on passenger side engine

[@pastormichaelhibbertminist7486]

I'm getting these codes and also it always says that my oil is low...but my oil is new and topped off...however, the car runs great and is getting 28mpg

[@loriscenaj8197]

Hi, I have a ML350 2006 with 100k miles. I followed your tutorial and put it to 305 degrees and one of the circles is perfectly in the middle but the other one is about 3mm/0.13 inch to the right. I did reset the check engine light but after start it was on again and it still shows the p0016 & p0017 codes. Would I have to replace the balancer or it will be fine like it is.

[@vansinhnguyen7578]

What have you done with it for correct this issue? My car, 2006 R350 has a same issue. Please let me know. Thanks

[@nobombs8784]

What size socket do you need to turn the crankshaft pulley??

[@alltsab]

Great video I have cls550 code poo16, poo17, and p2610 do you think it will be the same issue as you showing here?

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

All Tsab it can be only timing chain

[@abelramos5695]

Thanks for sharing ! I have a 2007 c230 2.5l and this car had a service due to a camshaft gear defective , the dealer covered almost close to the total repair a few years ago After about 4,000 miles I have a code Po012 and PO0015 bank 1. I thought it could be the magnets or sensors. Do you know a way to test them , before replacing all? thank you again !

[@eurowerx4267]

Yes sir! Cheap oil, including the Mobil 1 in my opinion! I like liquid Moly.

[@mbrown7019]

So, if the circles are centered, does that mean it is still in time? Is it true if the car is low on oil, with that give you a code p0016?

[@mchaudry9811]

On the 2013 gl450 the cam sensors are on the top of the valve cover for bank one. I’m getting only one code p0016. Does this mean I can do the same test on my motor or will it be different?

[@nelias7306]

David, I was just wondering, can this also occur on a M273 V8 or is it mainly isolated to the M272 V6?

[@nelias7306]

***** Thank you, good to know. I have a 2009 W221. No issues and hopefully it will never happen,but if I ever get a light and see the codes I'll know where to start

[@nelias7306]

***** You beat me to it! I researched the issue a bit and on mbworld.org someone had the TSB and the engine serial numbers affected: According to the TSB : Equipped with: M272 Engine Up to Serial No. 2729..30 468993 M273 Engine Up to Serial No. 2739..30 088611. The material for the balance shaft sprocket and the timing chain guide wheel (idler) was modified on engines past the serial numbers listed above. I went to epconline.com and they allow you to access it free. I put in my VIN and got my Datacard. My serial number is after the 088611. Good to go :D

[@inehanthony8330]

My engine runs good and no Leaks but I do have an engine light on ..cam shaft cranking correlation sensor A&B are indicating note I have no leaks and th engine starts smooth do I have an expensive repair or just a minor thing

[@pmiller5038]

David, I have this same car '06 mer ben with v6 has these same codes but runs really good. Only a little short a pickup on the highway. Can oil regularly at Jiffy Lube, their premium service. THey say it is syn oil... so not sure how good it really is. But I have not seen anything int he oil so I am guess no much in the pan. So besides the cam balancer... what else could it be. Michael

[@pmiller5038]

***** I am with you on doubting it will be the sensor... I still have not had the chance to look to see if it is out of alignment. But, isn't there a way to get it to past smog without having to do an overhaul? I really don't need the expense, not to mention the down time. And does the oil really make that big a difference? What is your take on the oil from Jiffy...?

[@pmiller5038]

***** OK Dave, I finally got the chance to check the alignment... it is good. The marks are in the center when placed at 305 degrees. So maybe in this case it may be a sensor? Oh and the oil is clean.

[@pmiller5038]

***** what do you mean by "both sides"? the codes are exactly the same as this video... bank 1 sensor A and B. And as per your video, you said that is on the passenger side. and as I mentioned both marks are centered. I did drop the pan and double checked for any metals, but it looks clean. Unless someone else went in there before me... lots of silicone round the pan

[@pmiller5038]

***** Yes I did see that video... That is why I was asking. If I can get away with not having to pull the motor, I am al for that. like I said, in checking if the marks line up, on this one it does. So just wanting to know what else it could be. Also like I said, it does look like someone has taken the pan off before, unless the dealer uses silicone to seal. But if that was the case, why would they clean out the pan and not tell anyone of the problem? Metal in the pan is a bad thing and should not be ignored. By the way, how do I test for the sensors? I am sure there is a way to test them.

[@MrBakakeng]

Does this problem also plague the newer e350s say 2013 up? Nice video subscribed.

[@MrBakakeng]

Thank you post more videos

[@brianhartman4426]

Have you heard of this happening with a 2007 Mercedes Benz clk550? And what if it's just the P0017 code? Could it be something else more simple and if so, how can you tell?

[@olaomishore]

How did you get the code p0017 fix?

[@brianhartman4426]

@@olaomishore It was a car looking to buy, thank God I didn't. I found an '08 CLK550 for $4,900 45 minutes away from me, so far I haven't had this problem.

[@johnnymichel952]

thanks for this i did what you did and the numbers align perfect appreceite it

[@optimaltrainer]

I have a 2006 c230 & have just gotten these 2 codes (P0016 & P0017). We just changed the oil with the Mobil 1 synthetic oil & the codes still appear after being cleared as you mentioned they may. Previously, I received 2 codes (P1200 & P1208) which appear to be very similar codes. Can you recommend if I should get this work done or just invest in another car? Or, do you have any other suggestions that I'm not considering? My car seems to be running very "rough" & I don't want to get stuck in LAX traffic. Thank you very much!

[@MercedesBenzTechs]

I can't make financial decisions for you but I can tell you that a repair can cost around $4,000 and if done right you should have a good running car for long time.

[@abdulhakimsaad6806]

Hi there I have changed the balancer shafts i found the teeth worn out but the code still on p0017 P0016. How 🤔 ❓️ to do .should I change the vvt cam