Mesa, Wayland & X.org in trouble, Debian leaves X, Facebook blocks Linux: Linux & Open Source News

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@flumpsi-m9p]

What do you think about sponsorblock?

[@Blox117]

you make europeans look bad, soft and fold so easily

[@peasantrobot]

Unfortunately for you, we know the exact content of Debian post so, try harder..

[@aricrudd6579]

@@peasantrobot Wow, you people just can't handle any dissent or "wrong-think".

[@pacifi5t]

Linux Foundation won't even think to help Freedesktop, of course

[@LA-MJ]

Does not help the cloud giants, you see

[@watermelon0guy]

After all, they help a small and unknown browser - Chrome.

[@rezah336]

they are totally corrupt, small devs have to realize this and dont give away their work for free to companies, companies dont care about helping open source

[@skyheart9245]

They spend only %2 of the money they make/receive on Linux development which tells a lot! let alone helping another project. Bunch of lazy corrupt people.

[@skyheart9245]

Even that %2 on Linux Development includes ~$1.7 million total compensation to Linus Torvalds, it's not like they are giving that money to those poor contributors. These are all public data which I encourage everyone to read about Linux Foundation.

[@mystechry]

Title: "Debian leaves X" Me: "What!?!? Debian so quickly completely gives up on Xorg??? Thanks Elon for renaming Twitter

[@ishino_ki]

Literally my thought upon seeing the title.

[@diefrogman]

Lol I thought the same.

[@luisapaza317]

Everyone should still be calling it twitter, just "X" does not make sense

[@mystechry]

@@luisapaza317 It's called X because Mr Musk signs his documents with XXX

[@steve_1507]

I wasn't sure if he meant Twitter or X11

[@goose-lw6js]

The Steam Deck section is a weird one at this point. Valve is putting in a lot of effort to open up the platform around SteamOS and Proton. The hardware isn't the only key point there. People buy a Steam Deck to play their steam library on the go or on the couch and there will be hardware from other manufacturers. I don't think there's a huge market share to be lost to Nintendo, which always had their own universe and never really tried hard to directly compete with the other consoles. Nintendo consoles have never been what people buy to play traditional AAA games, so the mandatory ray tracing in some of those games is a weird argument to make imho. I really don't believe many would ditch the Steam Deck for the Switch 2 and start buying all their steam games in the Nintendo Shop instead, just because the hardware might be more powerful at one specific point in time.

[@theviniso]

People buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games. There's really no competition for it.

[@oatbear8243]

Yeah I think it was an oversimplification. 1) people with $1000+ libraries don’t just go to a different platform. 2) a significant portion of steam deck users are pc gamers who will keep using steam and just want something on the go, and 3) there’s literally a more powerful third party steamOS handheld that you can now preorder in the form of the Legion Go S. Release date says Feb 14 on best buy.

[@maxarendorff6521]

Exactly. Steamdeck and Switch don't really compete all that much I think.

[@IdiotRace]

@@maxarendorff6521 Pretty much, I have a switch and a gaming pc. Sure I could probably emulate the switch games but it's just easier to pick up and play the switch. Same goes for indie stuff really, seems stupid to play stuff like stardew on a device that even at idle uses more power than the switch does at full load. I'll be getting a switch 2 just because it had backwards compat with my og switch library including the eshop, although most of my games are physical.

[@Lanzetsu]

Yea this is in an issue even for people who play on high end desktops, some games are just bad optimized and awful, I already posted about it, valve has nothing to do with it and people should stop buying that bs, but anyway if you check at the market those games aren't even being so profitable because mostly the games that are getting most of the player % are the online ones and typical franchises.

[@hv4329]

From the title, I thought you meant that Debian switched to Wayland

[@flumpsi-m9p]

i agree

[@BOplaid]

Same, Elon is stupid

[@dezibeldani]

Yeah, X=Twitter or X=X11 ? 🤔

[@mrxmgs3768]

Debian runs on Wayland by default since Debian 10.

[@trustytrojan]

im pretty sure debian just ships their gnome iso with a completely vanilla gnome so yes it most likely uses wayland by default now

[@CowboyTrucking61]

Facebook is not a big loss to Linux users.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Nope

[@1pcfred]

I deleted my Facebook account and Twitter banned me. When Elon took over my ban wasn't lifted either. I could have gotten unbanned if I admitted guilt for some post I made and I refused to do that. I can't even remember what it is now. But they can go suck eggs.

[@tracktornator]

I consider it an endorsement of linux privacy 😂

[@CatFace8885]

@CowboyTrucking61 it could be a great entry point into the world of Linux for non-users, though.

[@Otacanthus]

Maybe AAA studios should make games that don't run like crap

[@8lec_R]

It's a bit of a vicious cycle. Studios that care about high fidelity games make good games... They get praise. So everyone copies them. Now gamers™ expect high fidelity games and most MANGEMENT (not devs) and EXECUTIVES continue to push to 3d, ultra detailed games that are empty and meaningless. Both sides have to give. People who enjoy games have to start boycotting and some studios have to stop this madness. Once a critical mass is reached then the perception of a AAA game needing to be high def will be shattered

[@Otacanthus]

@@8lec_R I do agree but it's a hard thing to stop. Having had interactions with more normie gamers in recent time it's a lot of just people with disposable income buying whatever's new, going crazy over the graphics, having fun with it for a week then moving on. It's often people who's not too bothered and can buy the new consoles or pcs. It's a similar case of like, realisitcally you could have a phone from 2018 and do just fine, but people with disposable income buy a new iphone every year. It's just the same crowd. Like remember, until very recently people were freaking out over playstation adding an SSD into their console. It's hard to get boycots to work when the main money comes from people who's not going to play long enough to care and see games that's not hyper realistic (Like indie games) as games not worth playing.

[@8lec_R]

@@Otacanthus i know its hard to stop. Being in the computer nerd space, Asking people to not try to "future proof" their next purchase will lead to you getting dog piled because they all want to play the highest fidelity d0gshet while not taking even a moment to consider if there's anything better they can do with their time. Even reviewers only review Aaa games

[@LarixusSnydes]

Actually I have stopped caring about AAA slop a long time ago. Even if I had the hardware to run them, none of the titles released in that category appeal to me.

[@RyudoFanel]

Oh no, a three year old handheld, with a full desktop Linux OS that is flexible enough to be used as a PC with a massive catalog of games (from modern all the way up to 50+ year old ones) is outclassed by a brand new console (that hasn't even been released yet). A console that is ultimately a walled garden and only plays games approved by Nintendo. Sooo awful... And in 1-2 years Valve will probably release the Steam Deck 2, which in turn will be a lot more powerful than the Switch 2 (we're talking about Nintendo and its aversion to performance) and the whole game will start all over again. Except that the Steam Deck (2) will still be compatible with well over 30,000+ PC games plus emulation. So Valve really has to come up with something to compete with Nintendo...

[@theviniso]

I don't think Valve and Nintendo are even competitors to be honest. The Deck is very cool indeed but at the end of the day, it's still a computer. People who buy Nintendo hardware, or any gaming console really, want ease of use above all else. Both are handhelds, sure, but they're still different products for different consumers.

[@oatbear8243]

Don’t forget that there is actually a more powerful steamOS handheld coming out this month, the Legion Go S. At this point it’s not clear whether valve will produce more hardware or just encourage hardware development from third parties, but either way, there will be increasingly powerful handhelds running steamOS.

[@TheXipherZero]

@@oatbear8243 Valve has explicitly stated that they will release a more powerful handheld in the future, but not until there is a hardware leap big enough to justify it. I tend to think this is probably the case.

[@lexcelius6921]

From what we know from Leaks. The Switch 2 is not going to be more Powerful than the Steam Deck. Its basically just a Switch with 3 times the RAM and still no dedicated VRAM. The Steam Deck has 8GB of RAM and 5GB of VRAM, yeah thats only one more Gig of RAM but thats still 5 Gigs that are Solely dedicated to Video/Gaming Activities. Plus tge Switch is an ARM Device Porting PC games to ARM usually Requires Massive Downgrades no matter the Gen of Hardware Case and Point the Borderlands Series on Switch. Also his point about Ray Tracing is based on the new Indiana Jones Game, that game was a Comercial Failure. Lastly though I agree a Switch 2 won't kill the Steam Deck. The Mainstream Media Seems to still not Realize. You buy a Steam Deck for Completely different Reason than a Switch and both a Priced where the Average Consumer can afford both. There is a Multitude of Reasons but primary ones are a Gateway to PC Gaming for people who don't want to deal with Windows, hitting the Backlog, or the many different kinds of Retrogaming. The Steam Deck dropping in Sales was also a Glitch in Valve's Store Server. Its still the 4th best Selling Thing on Steam. Also. We really need to stop Saying the Steam Deck 2 is just around the Corner. Valve keeps saying their waiting for APUs to get a Significant Performance Boost and Currently the Only APU powerful enough for that is to Expensive to put in a Steam Deck 2 and keep it Affordable. Valve learned their Lesson with trying to make Premium Machines back with the Steam Machines it was not worth it. Its why I expect Fremont to Probably have 3 Tiers. Tier 1 just an APU maybe a large enough Case to fit a GPU, though given the Average Consumer will try to shove an Nvidia Card in it instead of AMD, probably not. Tier 2 Probably will have either a Custom RX7500/9050 with a little bit more VRAM or just RX7600/9060 abd Tier 3 Probably either 7700XT 12GB or 7800 16GB non XT model to stay out of the Premium Range of Hardware.

[@oatbear8243]

@@TheXipherZero valve is still a for-profit company, they’ll release a deck 2 if it makes sense to do so. If third party steamOS devices turn out to be a success, then there’s not much reason for them to start selling an equivalent device down the line.

[@NiffirgkcaJ]

I hope FreeDesktop can continue on working well! :(

[@animefreak-san489]

OpenAI got a dose of their own medicine. China sometimes does things that helps everyone.

[@theviniso]

Anything that hurts Big Tech is a win for common people.

[@DJDocsVideos]

Spite is a hell of a motivater. Every time American arrogance leads to a full face plant is a good time.

[@fredjimbob2962]

>OpenAI got a dose of their own medicine I don't think that training AI on publicly available information on the internet is copyright infringement at all. All human artists/musicians get inspiration from and copy the styles of other artists/musicians, but when AI does it, suddenly it's copyright infringement. Of course, artists complaining that they're not making enough money is a old as art itself and the artists that are making lots (because they're good) are strangely quiet, not complaining at all - funny that. All the millions of underpaid artists are of course geniuses and every single one of them deserve to be a globally recognised, highly successful, multimillionaire, just ask them. So yes, of course they're being ripped off, especially if nobody even appreciates their art - doubly so.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

6:02 Imma just leave this here when you said free software isn't linked to free speech Bernstein v. US Department of Justice "After four years and one regulatory change, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that software source code was speech protected by the First Amendment and that the government's regulations preventing its publication were unconstitutional." - EFF

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah, code is speech, in one country. Doesn’t mean a free software project is linked in any way to free speech, apart from the fact that the code is protected as speech. That doesn’t imply anything else ?

[@TomJakobW]

⁠@@TheLinuxEXP people can’t read and just post professional (be it legal, medical etc.) texts they don’t understand the nuance of to prove something it doesn’t say? Damn, is it CoviD era again? 😂

[@damnhatesyou]

Why would we care about what some terrorist country and their crappy document says?

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

@@TheLinuxEXP I'm not even American but that 'one country' is responsible for the origins of Linux and still a lot of what goes on in Linux today. Play with words and inferences how you like, you're free to do so.

[@1pcfred]

@@TheLinuxEXP only one country matters. It's our world. Everyone else is just living on it. At our pleasure, no less.

[@kruegercharles]

"Free speech has never been linked to free software" Are you serious? 😅

[@RealMephres]

@@kruegercharles Yes. There never were direct links to free speech when it comes to free software. Arguing against that is dishonest.

[@furiahispanica3823]

I wonder if the Debian Team is all European, Free Speech is like Cancer in mostly all Western European countries, I hear this, since it contradicts with my values I will need to walk away from Debian, Free Speech is a human right, if you cannot win an argument through debate you are not winning anyone over other than sheep. They are free to do so and I glad this was brought up, at least I know now.

[@moarjank]

The GNU software freedoms, especially "the freedom to redistribute derivatives" sounds like freedom of expression to me.

[@RealMephres]

@@moarjank Giving/creating/distributing a product or having guidelines around it still is not directly tied to free speech. You're confusing free markets with free speech. Besides, corporations/companies legally have freedom of speech/expression as well, but the GPLv3 limits corporate entities from using the software as they see fit, which limits their freedom of expression (at least according to you). Funny to see no one actually counter this and repeatedly yell the same nonsense, though. All of you are in a cult.

[@daveyhodge]

It is bizarre to me that anyone is against free speech. If you don't like what somebody says, just block them. When did everybody get so wet?

[@savagepro9060]

Nick: "Facebook blocks Linux" DeepSeek: "Hmm🤔🤨, but . . . isn't Facebook running . . . ON . . . Linux?"

[@calvinkatt662]

So does this mean that Facebook banned itself?

[@sleepywitches]

ironic, isn't it?

[@cameronbosch1213]

When another A.I. model steals your stolen data: *Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.*

[@tha_pzycho]

oh, karma is a bitch right

[@sunflash9]

Many large cloud provider overchange data transfer, with cheap cloud provider 50TB is around 10 usd/euro that includes 1-2 small virtual server. Many of cloud provider have peering agreement, the cost of sending/receiving data is negligible, basically just electricity plus some initial investment of hardware for networking, and some maintenance.

[@nicolaim4275]

I don't think AAA games are as important to people buying steam decks today as it was at release and even back then there was a reason that Stardew Valley and other indies was at the top of the most played games on steam deck. We might just see that these games don't sell very well.

[@JeremyHEIDIII]

Nintendo already owned the handheld market. Valve just released the Steam Deck at the time Nintendo needed to really update the switch. Yh some may leave their Steam Decks but sales is yet to drop acc to Steam Charts.

[@hueypautonoman]

Also, there are very basic things the Steam Deck can do that Nintendo will never allow the Switch 2 to do, like emulation or playing old PC games. The deck has so many good uses beyond AAA games. I think there's always going to be room for both devices.

[@typetalk3726]

Nintendo does not own the Handheld PC market. Only the handheld console market

[@joshuakoa9596]

Would be nice if Valve waited for Switch 2 emulation to exist before launching a Steam Deck 2 that could run it

[@isofruitfruit9357]

"A lot of people tend to enjoy Nintendo games for some reason". Nick just throwing shade at some of the most commercially successful gaming-software out there.

[@MaloryHovell]

>some of the most commercially successful EA too, do you have any good words about them?

[@kvdrr]

​@@MaloryHovelli do, EA doesn't sue modders (even server emulators) unlike Nintendo, T2 and Activision

[@rohithkumarbandari]

Nintendo games are overrated

[@softwarelivre2389]

I'd rather have EA than Nintendo tbh

[@poissonpuerile8897]

When I read "Debian leaves X", I couldn't help but think that Debian was going all-Wayland.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

If only!

[@z_0968]

Deepseek hasn't stolen OpenAI's dataset, they got it from the same place... the internet. That's like saying I copied your work because we have the same source material. OpenAI claims Deepseek R1 was trained with o1 reasoning output, that's the chain-of-thought what you see R1 output before giving you a final answer. There's just a problem, o1 doens't output it's chain-of-thought. Also Mistral AI reviewed Deepseek's research paper on R1, plus the weights are open. And there's more proof supporting Deepseek R1 was trained on Deepseek V3 than it was on anything OpenAI did. Finally AI has no right to copyright, and thus anything it outputs is public-domain.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yep, can’t agree more

[@rohithkumarbandari]

Deepseek didn't steal data, it stole learning. It took outputs of chat gpt and learned from it. Deepseek is a distilled model. Main reason for performance is it's reasoning architecture. Openai learned internet data. Deepseek stole openai's learning (if it distilled that is from gpt4 that is)

[@damnhatesyou]

@@rohithkumarbandari that’s what open AI and Microsoft is claiming. We have no reasonable grounds to believe these companies and their claims.

[@BobDevV]

@@rohithkumarbandari I think no one is disagreeing with you, he just said that every single AI model is made using stolen data, aka internet. Without any sources listed, without any acknowledgement and mentions. Either way, what can they do to a CN company, really? They can do whatever they want. If you disagree, ccp would like to talk to you about proxy corporation you made in China to do business there, that ccp will take over now.

[@rohithkumarbandari]

@@BobDevV Well here's where you misunderstood my comment. I specifically said learned and not stolen because AI models learn from the data they are given. They dont remember it and print it exactly. That would be stealing. If you saw a piece of info on public internet and learned it would you call that stealing ? No because that info was publicly available to the viewers. But obviously a lot of internet thinks differently because of lack of how ai models learn and their bias against big corporations. And legally speaking its a really really grey area.

[@vitorgoncalves7527]

With the latest US politic shenanigans the EU should seriusly consider to sponsor these projects.

[@Kanbei11]

@@vitorgoncalves7527 I would love for us (the UK) to invest in Linux and open source software. Not only would it be a common good for humanity it would help us with digital sovereignty

[@flumpsi-m9p]

I thought from the title you meant that Debian left X11 behind

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Hahaha no, that’s not happening soon, I think !

[@flumpsi-m9p]

@@TheLinuxEXP What distro do you prefer?

[@GhostCoder83]

Same 😂

[@personalaccount1515]

It’s no crime to steal from a thief

[@ploskostnost]

I really want to thanks for covering Debian leaving X like that. It is really worth noting that Twitter is really not a good or safe platform for anyone but for people who do not have social brakes or something >_> Some goes for Facebook…

[@Kanbei11]

Unfortunately I need to keep a Facebook account because I need messenger. Same issue with WhatsApp, it's the inertia of getting non tech people to change

[@zephyr_kev]

I kept this mentality as well until I just said fuck it. If people need to get in contact with me they have other means. I’m not letting meta hold the grasp anymore.

[@Kanbei11]

@zephyr_kev I'm not sure where you are but in the UK (at least in my circles) WhatsApp is the default messaging app. It would be similar to iPhone users not being able to use apple messages

[@moarjank]

Zephyr is right. If your family cares about you, they won't force you to compromise your principles and use "Meta"

[@Sherolox]

WhatsApp is basically a daily necessity if you live in Germany. Good luck trying to get people to switch away from it. I tried.

[@ricochet287]

@@Sherolox Like it was too much trouble using another service.

[@GirlWhoCriedAardvark]

Oh, they are ditching _that_ X. Makes much more sense!

[@RealMephres]

And is very smart. All you get there is people calling each other names, fake news being spread around, and everything being turned political by everyone. The only reasons to stay are if you are just as lost as them, or if you still have friends over there.

[@8lec_R]

Could have just said twitter. X is stupid and dumb. And most importantly confusing.

[@daveyhodge]

@@RealMephres Because Bluesky isn't political 🙄

[@RealMephres]

@@daveyhodge Not nearly as much as on Twitter. Besides, bsky is objectively much calmer and less toxoc than Twitter. Good to see you defend a platform that was bought and ruined by someone who despises both of us, though.

[@RealMephres]

@@daveyhodge I said what I said. Read again.

[@Dominik-r7s]

btw, GNOME also has a new UI font in 48, Inter but with a tailed lowercase l (called Adwaita Sans to not conflict with upstream) and a new monospaced font, Iosevka Term that's manually adjusted to match Inter (also called Adwaita Mono to not conflict with upstream). the UI colors also got a bit cooler, it's a lot more noticeable in dark mode and the shell, and a bit rounder.

[@crapmalls]

If only debian had their own website

[@someone01233]

They're had

[@ArcTuba]

Gnome has quickly become my DE of choice on a laptop. KDE feels better on a desktop for me but the touchpad gestures are so nice

[@headkittens]

Yeah, I've touched gnome a few times, but the way it works just feels better on a constrained screen for me, it feels a bit more like a chore on big screens.

[@ErebusXanti]

I would agree though KDE kinda made that a thing on its own also depends on what distro you are using. I use Garuda Dragonized KDE and looks like gnome or you can customize it to look like it.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

On desktop GNOME is also much better. If I wanted Windows-like UI I would just use Windows

[@williamp6800]

@@Tragicomedy2137 if I wanted a phone interface, I’d use a phone.

[@JacksonNick-j6i]

@Tragicomedy2137 Just because it's different doesn't mean it's better. Stop being a hipster. Use the right tool for the job, for the right reasons. Turn off you meaningless feelings and self image and the desperate need of being unique and valuable. Be professional and flexible. Use tablet UI on tablets, phone UI on phones, and desktop UI and its classic; time tested design paradigm on desktops.

[@st0rmrider]

Free software was always as in speech not as in beer. I know because I was there before most of the people who will read this

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah it’s « free as in free speech » meaning « free not as in gratuity », but it has nothing to do with the concept of free speech, it was just a metaphor so people understood it didn’t mean « free of charge ». They wouldn’t have talked about free speech is everyone had used the term « libre » instead :)

[@NJ-wb1cz]

And neither pays for hosting, apparently

[@RealMephres]

@@st0rmrider Freedom of association and free speech are two basic, interconnected human rights, and they both apply to companies, corporations, and regular people. Making fun of a party and essentially wanting them to stay in a place they despise would take their freedom of association away, thus also eliminating free speech. Those that do not understand this are the ones crying about Debian's decision here. Sad stuff!

[@rezah336]

if open source want to improve they need to start making some money so they can control their own projects and not just be slaves of big tech

[@NJ-wb1cz]

@@rezah336 big tech successfully made predatory licenses such as MIT the norm precisely to avoid paying. And actual free licenses such as AGPL have been astroturfed, and projects that are using AGPL are punished. Seemingly benevolent services like GitHub are now providing billions if not trillions in free labor to the corporations, and effectively transfer the wealth from the craftsmen to the managers and owners. We've all been had.

[@donoteatmikezila]

Maybe Valve can step in. They have so much money that there aren't enough furnaces in the world to burn it all faster than they make it, and they benefit immensely from Mesa and Wayland.

[@SHO1989]

Whenever I hear anyone saying they don't feel safe on social media I roll my eyes.

[@Lanzetsu]

As a gamer I am so disgusted over the games since years ago NOT being optimized for PC and simply getting awful ports that runs underwater. Graphic card companies gave us options to make older or cheaper graphic cards run better games and the game devs decided that they would use those new features to make it mandatory for the games to even run decent on newer cards. I stopped buying those games then and moved into the indies and older titles or new ones that support lower hardware and are really optimized to be run on standard gaming gear.

[@Matt-qf6pd]

I bet that Nvidia and AMD are bribing devs with hush hush money and paying them to make games run like shit to force people to buy new gpu’s, just planned obsolescence in the digital world

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

Facebook? I've had that blocked with NoScript for ages. They can Zuck off.

[@rchltmedia]

1. idk why debian having a twitter account in the first place? 2. facebook does not deserve linux server. give them windows server instead, so they can suffer. 3. instead i seeing the year of linux, it's a opposite.

[@Ormgryd]

Ray Tracing is meh, We need good games, Not reflections for no reason.

[@DeathEnducer]

Yeah, perfect mirror like reflections in dirty/moving water are more unrealistic than raster ones

[@Maddy-Guthridge]

There's nothing stopping you from doing both. Demanding better from game developers doesn't require them to abandon ray tracing. The quality of a game has literally nothing to do with ray tracing.

[@DeathEnducer]

@@Maddy-Guthridge except when it takes away from development time

[@Tehstroyer]

@@DeathEnducer Engine devs don't program gameplay, leave alone design it. Also, push for RT is partly because it _should_ speed up iteration times in development - since things like baking lights can take a lot of time. Whether it will in current state, not sure - we have to see what the feedback is from the devs of RT-only games that don't need to support both RT and non-RT versions.

[@Ormgryd]

@@Maddy-Guthridge So Ray tracing is unnecessary. And they can put that resource into other things that matter instead.

[@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755]

everyone ought to stop using twitter. it's a pretty terrible place for anyone regardless of their political stance, people just completely lose their minds the minute they even log on

[@krothofdahorde]

I like Debian, but am not a fan of modern GNome. I tried the gui and just don't like it needs a mod to keep the dock open at all times. Even still, I don't think they deserve this. It's mostly a UI preference. I also was thinking of some form of MacOS to eventually ditch windows again.

[@1pcfred]

I like Debian but I don't like the Debian community. I am not into social contracts that I do not willingly enter into.

[@MiukuMac]

I find it somehow amusing, or sad, that Debian claims they do not want to be in a social media where abuse happens but they have no problem with being on bsky where there is literally no moderation to speak of. I've read some posts from there and the amount of fantasizing about violence towards ethnic or politically different groups is something that would get you instantly investigated by the police if it wasn't anonymous - however there is absolutely no consequence to these people by bsky moderators. If anything, Debian should also leave bsky in that case.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

They might do so as well. Just like FB should also be abandoned for their recent « moderation » guidelines

[@Artoooooor]

As long as they don't I assume they taking side of bsky and Facebook.

[@RavenThePlayer]

@@TheLinuxEXP what are your criticisms of the moderation guidelines changes on Facebook? I think you should be clear with your opinion if you're going to have one.

[@esat-krky]

​@@RavenThePlayerHe's probably talking about facebook banning linux posts due to linux being flagged as a cyber security threat

[@RavenThePlayer]

@@esat-krky @TheLinuxEXP is this the case?

[@GamingWithUncleJon]

The Facebook thing wasn't Linux in general, it was DistroWatch specifically, because they DID have things that got hit as malware. And it wasn't even all DistroWatch links that got hit.

[@titouan_real]

Gnome Calendar got support for timezone in the event editor yesterday, just in time for the 48 alpha 🎉

[@hardeep1singh]

$24k per month is literally pennies for any of the corporates out there that make millions from these projects. They should definitely look into taking corporate donations or start charging their for-profit users.

[@RustringX]

No, Debian users are now forced to use Wayland now. 😭 Well that was unexpected. Jokes aside, what was Elon thinking when he renamed Twitter to X.

[@1pcfred]

I downloaded X source code in anticipation of the force. I've built X before so I have no problem building it again. Maybe someday I'll use Wayland. But I'll decide when that day comes.

[@OldieBugger]

I think it's sad to hear about people who are afraid of Free Speech. Their life must be so hard, always afraid of what someone might say.

[@lepidusthewiser]

I think applying the console market wars mentality to personal computers (gaming oriented or otherwise) is a pretty bad idea. Just because the Steam Deck is "outclassed" doesn't mean it can't still game, and this goes for most computer hardware nowadays. And besides, we're Linux users. Older hardware is practically the standard amongst us.

[@RealWaffles]

i think ibm should consider hosting freedesktop, as they have a huge amount of control over the project they have the infra to maintain open source projects, they have the money, and they have the staff

[@stwenty5758]

I'd buy a Steam Deck 2 even if it came out later because I have a massive Steam library.

[@Georgi.Delchev.Reborn]

So this is why Debian is so behind in terms of implementing new Linux kernels and repositories. Instead of working on their operating system, they are busy moderating social media. And please don't tell me it's about stability, because it's not. There are many very stable distributions out there (Fedora, CentOS, even Arch). Even their own forks are more modern and stable.

[@CatFace8885]

@@Georgi.Delchev.Reborn it's extremely normal for any project or product to have a social media account. I don't know what you're on about.

[@kuhluhOG]

Debian has social media accounts?

[@1pcfred]

Considering what I learned here I'm glad I never knew.

[@IsraelSmithD]

A lot of companies would benefit from shutting down their social media accounts.

[@1pcfred]

@@IsraelSmithD social media is just a tool and like all tools it can be used right or wrong.

[@IsraelSmithD]

@@1pcfred I meant that many would benefit from not destroying their brand by not staying professional and being political, vulgar, etc. Obviously if they're smart they stand to benefit from having/using social media

[@HyuriConstancio]

"Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of 'free' as in 'free speech', not as in 'free beer'." ~Free Software Foundation It's always been about the same concept as free speech. The Woke's dislike for free speech doesn't change that fact. Also, the Linux Foundation makes hundreds of millions of dollars every year but only spend ~2% on Linux. It's not "just a poor community project with a few volunteers", they simply refuse to invest in it.

[@NilsBallmann]

As far as I have read the primary source, within the initial announcement issue about the Freedesktop situation AWS actually offered credits for hosting...

[@nuclearnyanboi]

jeez, I though Debian was leaving X (desktop)

[@jesuisjamaiscontent]

Yes, I had a couple of posts blocked; these mentioned Distrowatch and promoted Linux.

[@nuxxiz4628]

if all of this was peer to peer, it would've been easier to solve.

[@moarjank]

Mastodon's a great middle step between centralized and fully p2p. Each federalized instance is a gossip-networked peer in the fediverse network. Future extensions to allow fully p2p would not be difficult to implement.

[@szymon1051]

1:45 Valve reportedly does a lot for Linux. Maybe they'll pay a portion to make SteamOS run better 😆

[@riddler9884]

16:15 I find the reasoning a bit trigger happy and bound promote over reactions. Comparing the steam Deck a known quantity against a Switch 2? They have made a bunch of claims whose source is trust me bro, I expect Nintendo: - to not come up anything they have to sell at a loss - not to find or use something exotic like a cell processor There are more powerful possibilities than a steam deck, you just have to figure out will best fit their price point. - AMD’s new AI and Z processors - the next iteration of the Tegra/ the dev kit Nvidia was selling? - something based off n the N series of computers on a stick by Intel I’m leaning to a leaned version of Nvidia’s new jets that was released, strip away anything unnecessary and make it compute visually focused. That’s assuming it doesn’t need to lean on framegen to meet performance expectations.

[@whyherro5077]

...? Linux was built with the principles of free speech in mind. How can you say free speech isn't linked to FOSS?

[@misarthim6538]

Right?! I was also bit shocked by that statement. But I suppose those days are gone. It's easy to defend free speech when people only say things you like.

[@handfuloffrogs]

calling people slurs isn't free speech nor is it a core value of linux kernel, debian or foss in general

[@kvdrr]

​​@@misarthim6538so, the promise of absolute free speech somehow absolves Elon of other stuff he believes in and advocates for?

[@sourcerer_]

​@@handfuloffrogs Yes, for people made of glass. Sign of real engagement is to care, and taking care of work. Not letting for free expression, and speech leads to suppressing anger. People are too sensitive. You can't be defensive, if You have a distance. Avoiding confrontation with different view is simply fear. No one cares who You are, people value good work. Aren't purpose of work is to serve people? instead of telling them how to live and think?

[@Otacanthus]

@sourcerer_ free speech heads always freak out when people post their adresses though. Maybe you'll understand human interactions when you turn 15.

[@netroy]

The replies to debian's tweet only confirmed their statement. That place has become horrid.

[@asishreddy7729]

Nobody owes you the treatment you want. People will treat you based on how you behave. Here in Debian’s case, they behaved like children and couldn’t tolerate diverse opinions. That attracts the said treatment.

[@hoptoads]

@@asishreddy7729 Yeh, it's funny how diversity for some simply means only stating and doing things they agree with.

[@paherbst524]

Hahaha, no, it's fair game to call out lunacy, wherever it is. Debian is acting like a hysterical lunatic.

[@FunkeyPhysicsMonkey]

Same with the replies to this comment. Notice how the "diversity of opinion" people only like to defend abusive and harmful "opinions", but never opinions calling them out. And they like to use "diversity of opinion" to should over people who call for a diversity of people and experience (race, class, gender, ability/disability, ...). It is almost as if actual diversity is threatening to them so they pretend their "opinions" of being anti-diversity is some sort of diverse opinion when it is really an opinion that upkeeps the status quo. That said, I'm not saying that company diversity statements are perfect. For a lot of them, they only keep diversity at the bottom of the company while perpetuating the same systems of abuse that keep marginalized people down and they tend to ignore class and sometimes ignore disability. Those companies can do a lot better, but many for profit companies don't because they don't want to give actual support as resisting systems of oppression can hurt their priveledge and bottom line. But the issue was never that they have diversity statements (the issue is that they don't change their business to be equitable and meet the diverse needs of people and continue to pay low wages when they make a lot). Another issue is that with almost all companies, the idea of diversity still being contained to what largely white, able-bodied, relatively well off, men are comfortable supporting when equity and inclusion needs priveledged people to face their discomforts with their own priveledge and how they benefit from systems and structures that harm others.

[@VeeFerns]

to the other people in this reply chain: copy pasted from the debian website: " Diversity Statement The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. "

[@AutieTortie]

Technically the Steam Deck does support ray tracing. Just not REAL TIME ray tracing. In fact, my old i486 can also do ray tracing, it just takes ages.

[@AutieTortie]

The RT in RTX does not stand for "ray tracing". It stands for "REAL TIME ray tracing".

[@moarjank]

Good point. Technically they had ray tracing in the 80s. Typically at approx 1 frame a week.

[@_OS_]

Is minimal ray count secified? I think i486 can trace 1 ray in real time.

[@matthewdee6023]

Maybe Freedesktop should split into X, Wayland and XDG, and find separate sponsors for each?

[@TrunkyGurden]

lol the only thing i want from gnome is not having to press ctrl+L to edit a file path.

[@SeriousWays]

TL';DR; on the Debian thing - We cannot block free speech and statements contradictory to ours on X, so we are leaving the platform.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Complete misunderstanding of the issue coming from a privileged position or a warped mental state.

[@michaell.8748]

@@TheLinuxEXPbro what?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

They’re not leaving because of criticism against them, they’re leaving so their entire community, including people that are harassed all the time on X, can still interact without being insulted. If you can’t grasp that… you misunderstand the issue entirely, and that generally comes from not being on the receiving end of said harassment.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

What the hell is everyone about. I’m not deleting anything. KZbin has an automated filter, I don’t have time to delete comments. Don’t overvalue your importance, bro

[@michaell.8748]

@@TheLinuxEXP you definitely did delete that comment you have responded to, I've read it because I got the notification and it didn't had anything that would trigger the youtube filter, it just said that you deleted his comment

[@Destroyer954]

why does freedesktop need so much hardware? I would assume it could run on 4x 16core VLE-16 instances in OVH for 160$ / month + storage and backups so like 500$ total? what else is there that needs so much?

[@moarjank]

Compiler infrastructure, and testing infrastructure. (Including testing infrastructure for testing compilers). Mesa is very challenging to compile from scratch, and worse to unit test (since it's a compiler).

[@1pcfred]

@@moarjank I'm pretty sure I must have compiled MESA at some point. I've compiled everything else. Some builds are challenging. If MESA is I just don't recall it being so. The last time I tried to build Vulkan, now that's challenging. I have yet to figure it out. I haven't tried in a while but it beat me the last time I did. I still have PTSD from that experience. No Vulkan SDK for me.

[@Destroyer954]

@@moarjank as for compilation (at least from my experience) is nice if all files are stored on the fastest storage possible / ramdisk, which is where cloud struggles the most and fast local nvme storage is probably the best option in my opinion hence my recommendation as for testing maybe some spot instances (?), but really hard to know without understanding the nature of those tests, what are the requirements for running them etc.

[@moarjank]

@@1pcfred fair enough. I don't consider Gentoo a very hard system to update, for example, but I mostly was referring to time-to-compile difficulty, as in "it's hard for the computer"

[@1pcfred]

@@moarjank I tried to use Gentoo for a project and I'd characterize it as, "brittle". In that it is prone to failure. The Gentoo users I interacted with were woefully uninformed too. Which I found surprising. But in hindsight I guess I shouldn't have been that surprised.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

Very interesting commentary on the Steam Deck from someone that is not a gamer... friend with his own IT business got one and knows it isn't a PC, dial back unrealistic expectations. The OLED has, well, OLED and comparatively great battery life, and has Steam OS. It was also the device that re-started the handheld craze that we currently have. Some interesting takes you have, but I always watch your news because I find it usually pretty informative and you provide the sources for people to check out which is awesome.

[@Xyrer]

What we really need is games being compiled for arm processors

[@moarjank]

They'd have good buzzword marketing too "first class support for copilot PCs" (not that that's a good name for an arm laptop)

[@savagepro9060]

Farce-Book!

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

Valve should share their servers with Freedesktop like they did with Arch

[@Techmagus76]

The option to play the steam library and do not have to buy games i already like for nintendo with high prices again. For Steam it would be enough to just define the platform steamdeck 2.0 ( not the device) and have it raytracing ready. The decks can be build by others like Lenovo and co.

[@davebirch2543]

The way I see it, for the most part the steam deck and the new switch may both be gaming handhelds but it's like comparing apples to oranges. The steam deck may not be an absolute powerhouse but it suits my use case where I don't fell a lot of pull toward new, triple a titles anyhow, and the added versatility of being able to use it to play my retro console titles, run android apps, put it in a dock, plug in a keyboard and mouse, fire up desktop mode and use it as a fully fledged pc make it well worth the extra couple hundred more in price compared to the projected switch 2 pricing

[@salatwehr4099]

debian, litterally the lesbian of the linux distros

[@1pcfred]

Yeah I'm going to have to reevaluate my distro choice. They do not reflect my values.

[@RealMephres]

@@1pcfred You have no real values besides being a culture justice warrior.

[@aricrudd6579]

@@1pcfredOk, snowflake.

[@IsraelSmithD]

​@1pcfred Yeah this is disappointing, been using it for almost 30 years. The real issue is they are a "base" distro. To really get away from them would require a major change (e.g., Arch)

[@1pcfred]

@@IsraelSmithD Arch has improved a lot since the last time I tried it. Or so I've heard. I really don't care for the idea of a rolling distro though. I might give Fedora another shot. DPKG and RPM are a lot alike. Just different commands to do essentially the same things. Technically RPM is the standard package for Linux too.

[@savagepro9060]

Nick: "Debian leaves X" DeepSeek: "Sooo, X becomes Debian's X?"

[@leoronus9466]

I hope thatt Valve can prop up Freedesktop. From what I know they've proven themselves to be allies to the Linux world, have world wide data delivery infrastructure, and aren't exactly strapped for cash.

[@zxuiji]

4:43 This just sounds like "waa, people don't agree with me!" and stomping off in a huff like a child to me. Yeah I know this comment is gonna get 100s of dislikes, like I care when most of the dislikers are likely spoiled rotten by parents who couldn't think of how their children would survive without them when they finally kick the bucket.

[@Kollum]

At first, with both wayland and X "in trouble" from the title, I did not understand why Debian would leave only X(.org) and keep Wayland, took me way to long to understand X meant Twitter

[@syscruncher]

Is this really what we have been reduced to as a society? That words on a screen can make someone feel “unsafe”? This just seems ludicrous to me.

[@daveyhodge]

I know, it's pathetic. If only there was a way to block a user you don't like.

[@IsraelSmithD]

​@@daveyhodgeblocking isn't enough for them, they want to control/censor what others can see as well. It's a weak-mindset, based on fear and cowardice.

[@BarafuAlbino]

When someone is unsafe, someone else can be paid to make them safe. The root is there.

[@syscruncher]

@ follow the money…you have a point.

[@TomasSchertel]

So, Debian is afraid of people complaining. Only positive comments are allowed...

[@brickmasterhunt4561]

I think we need an open source hosting solution where users contribute any computer to a large network of computers that run a kubernetes client and use that as a hosting network for open source projects to run on. So you could contribute you own computers or free hosting services to the network like free OCI and free GCP VM's

[@saberspecter]

If only Valve had a foot in the door to host Linux drivers. 🤔

[@vendetta.02]

Steam deck and Switch are entirely different ecosystems, people buying steam deck arent looking at switch console because switch doesnt have steam games, simple as, people buying switch want nintendo ecosystem, people buying deck want steam and desktop gaming ecosystem, doesnt get simpler. They arent competing in the same market, they are in different markets.

[@adenansu]

Personally, I'm hoping that enough manufacturers take up making steamdeck-type hardware and Valve just supports them with SteamOS releases, not needing to make new steamdeck hardware themselves

[@pl_6037]

Proud of Debian, but what's next? Will they stop using swap file by default? Maybe they will mount /tmp into RAM??

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Hahah the monsters

[@homeape.]

good decision by debian

[@RafaeL_137]

The only reason why I even tolerate that cesspit is because my favorite people are there Now that they're leaving, I'm starting to have less and less reasons to go there!

[@homeape.]

@@RafaeL_137 it's time for twitter to sink into obscurity like gab and thruth social

[@giacomogalli2448]

Long live Bluesky

[@alfaxgo]

They/them/it are feeling unsafe😂.

[@homeape.]

@@alfaxgo my comment vanished but childish mocking like this is okay? the youtube gods are unintelligible

[@scottdrake5159]

The Meta ban: they're tuning their filters, which should scare you if you're on Facebook. I believe it's the same issue as the hashtag problems earlier. When they're tuned, they'll be resistant to reporting, and effective in steering conversations.

[@happieplantnl]

15:42 what is this statement??

[@matthewcheng4158]

the Indiana Jones game is a bad example for steam deck being under power. its more like NVIDIA is cornering the market with ray tracing, all AMD cards also suffers if more games rely on ray tracing for there lighting solution and put less effort to optimise for non ray tracing cards this is just beginning if they r successful all card needs ray tracing capability and nvidia will make licencing money. yes i think the steam deck is getting old need an preference upgrade but i would like them to wait until AMD respond to this threat.

[@ploskostnost]

And also you are so cool for reminding everyone about how OpenAI and other models are trained. Thank you for talking about tech and stuff and having good takes about AI

[@magnusm4]

Tuxedo and System76 seems more and more like an interesting investment. With Linux becoming more and more accessible with Wine, Proton and of course, Bottles. Intel processors being so infamous. Having an AMD chip along the same company's GPU should be a seamless job as it's the same company working on itself. Would be cool if computer stores hired software experts to handle customer requests such as certain Linux distros and features. Out home shop here sadly only offer Windows 11 in 4 different flavours but I hope they can last long enough to add other distros to their services.

[@5I6]

5:39 The way you make it sound is crazy 😭

[@avatartun3r]

I love GNOME but I still view it as unacceptable that in 2025 it does not ship a functional system tray of some sort. This is massive to me and I'm not quite sure why it seems to be low priority. I get that the current implementation through an extension is "broken", but at a certain point I will take the broken system tray over nothing at all. I totally agree with the design philosophy of the project but this is one thing I won't budge on. While I hate how apps use the system tray and think it's an anti-pattern (when i click "X", an app should CLOSE!) the reality is so many tools on Linux rely on it.

[@AlexCrMaReLiLukyanenko]

I get that technology changes and it is silly to expect new games to run on an ancient hardware (not talking about steam deck there). But having RTX as a REQUIREMENT (which means you probably can't turn off raytracing) is a line for me. I have 3080Ti myself and even use rtx and dlss here and there, but I am NOT gonna buy a game where you don't have an option to turn rtx off. I am a part-time 3D designer. And I know enough about baking, retopology, normal maps, roughness maps, bump maps, displacement maps, light, materials etc. to see "rtx mandatory" as "we clearly lost sight of how to optimise games and just fix our crooked craftwork with new hardware and proprietary dlss 4 solutions, because money and laziness"

[@montenegrofees]

Nintendo games are really cool. They are not these movie like action adventures with the plot being pre written by the authors. The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong series of games are more of the experience you live through yourself where you create your own story just for yourself. I like it, but there is no way i'm buying nintendo consoles or cartridges. I don't want to support a company that does illegal stuff to emulators of its systems

[@rizalm.s.5994]

Did I play different TLoZ, Super Mario, and Donkey Kong because I can't relate to your statement at all 🤔

[@misterjeffa2128]

i feel its time to decouple drivers from the kernel just for the control argument. gives you the ability to nuke and reinstall a driver. If done well i dont think it will have issues with performance. To me a kernel should contain interfaces for software (the OS) and drivers to talk to the kernel. A kernel should also have basic drivers. A bit like the Microsoft Basic display adapter thing. Nothing fancy. Just so it works. Yes it will be a massive amount of work to split the 2 if it were to happen. But wouldnt it make kernel dev easier? As it doesnt contain all these drivers? Like set a standard of how a driver should interact with the kernel and thats that. Let whoever else develop the driver using that standard.

[@moarjank]

Their wording implied they already attempted. It's not hard, since the dkms abi/API is designed for things like that, by providing an API very close to the internal Linux LKMS API.

[@1pcfred]

You can already do that. That's what DKMS is. Dynamic Kernel Module Support. Kernel modules are drivers.

[@datapeluche]

Switch two appeal more to console gamers and Steam deck to PC gamers. OFC there is an overlap. I think Steam Deck needs a second iteration not because of Nintendo, is just because PC game developers do not tend to optimize well their games and steam deck is suffering that.

[@theviniso]

Well, it's still more than powerful enough for non-AAA games. If you care only about AAA games then sure, the Deck is underpowered.

[@ItsJoeyG]

Good on Debian for stepping up to uphold their ideals instead of just going with the morals of whoever's in charge. It is the truest representation of freedom.

[@PersonausdemAll]

These wookies that Debian stands for and defends are themselves against common sense and free opinion. On top of that, they are so aggressive that it borders on bullying. How does that fit together?

[@nuclearnyanboi]

@7:00 digital well being is a game changer to me. it's awesome of Gnome to include that

[@paulturner5769]

DEbIan is dead. Meritocracy rules in coding.

[@jerryferreira8960]

4:30 I'm so tired of the "I'm offended" mentality. Grow up!!!

[@trickvro]

Why are you offended by people being offended? That makes you as bad, don't you think?

[@cogitoergosum7838]

@@trickvro Really? When you can no longer use "insane" in a discussion because it might apply to people with psychological issues... pffff. At the same time, it kind of feels like we're living in an open-air psychiatric hospital these days.

[@Metraunakow]

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[@Fakeman]

Debian leaving X is hilarious. Saying that X is bad because they can't moderate peoples replies is silly. Who cares if what random people say doesn't line up with their values? You can easily hide posts on X and block people if they wanted, but I guess they wanted more. Bluesky and mastodon being their new "home" is equally hilarious, since it is well known there is... uh... suspicious, content on there. X is one of the most popular platforms for communication. They are only hurting themselves. This is obviously in relation to Elon Musk, which although I don't really like some of the stuff he did in the past, he obviously isn't some guy who wants to inflict harm on any group of people. Frankly bringing awareness to this causes more harm to them imo, makes them look incompetent.

[@hademvids]

@@Fakeman the hitler saluting nazi doesnt want to cause harm? the guy funding the mass deportation of immigrants and the rise of the AfD in Germany? A far right, holocaust denying party with roots in neonazism? What a joke, choke on it.

[@handfuloffrogs]

@@hademvids he said "he obviously isn't some guy who wants to inflict harm on any group of people" which makes sense in his mind, since he doesn't consider "degenerates" like queer, disabled, black, jewish, etc people in the first place

[@cameronbosch1213]

Um, have you literally seen his bigotted rants?

[@theviniso]

That's a wild take on Musk, holy shit.

[@Fakeman]

@ I don't think he's a genocidal maniac. How is that a wild take?

[@Ghuze_]

I understand the general point behind the Steam Deck vs Switch 2 conversation; but to me the switch 2 doesn’t really compare? When I buy a game on my steam deck, I may also play that game on my laptop or my desktop or any other computer I will ever own. I get to pick the hardware I wish to run it on and even the OS. On the switch, I’d be locked to what Nintendo decides is their hardware choice for the next 8 years. This just doesn’t make sense to me (but I’m also a big old nerd)

[@orange-]

It was such a weird spec focused take that completely missed the mark on the purpose of both devices and how people use them. Steam is just not comparable at all with Nintendo handhelds. The approaches (and I am guessing the market) are entirely different. Nintendo has for a very long time has had this focus on opening up gaming to different groups and with the switch is very party/local coop leaning, which is totally different from the single play/online play and accessing their back catalog/already existing library that the steam deck provides. We don't even need to compare specs if these worlds are with very little overlap. Honestly, both Valve and Nintendo could collaborate on projects for their respective systems and I doubt it would effect the sales negatively of either. The steam deck specs matter due to the ongoing need to compete with other products in the PC market and the on-going push towards more resource usage, but with the Switch its waaaay more focused on refining and getting the most that can be gotten out of a set of specific and standardised hardware. Its pretty nut's to think that just because lots of games release on both that they will eat each others hardware sales beyond if they release around the same time and people who would buy both need to pick which they buy first lmao

[@Ghuze_]

@@orange- I get what you mean but there is definitely an overlap of the consumer base, although I don’t know how big or small that overlap is. Case and point: I have a decent switch game collection (around 30 games iirc) and yet since purchasing the Steam Deck that collection has not increased by a single game. The existence of the steam deck has rendered the switch irrelevant to me for the most part. To be fair, this is my experience and, as previously stated, I am a big old nerd who spends probably too much money on computers

[@orange-]

@@Ghuze_ Yeah I absolutely agree that there are likely quite a few people who are similar to you that replaced their Switch with the Steam Deck, and that there are many who maintain and use both. But I simply cannot fathom the idea that the bulk of Switch owners care about the Steam deck or perhaps even know it exists. And possibly the inverse is true too with Steam Deck users as a whole not wanting or caring about the Switch, they are both just very different products even if they fulfil a similar function i.e. they both play games.

[@theviniso]

People buy consoles for the simplicity when compared to computers and they buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games. The Switch and the Deck are not really competitors.

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

Christ, it's only 1pm!