Meshuggah Metal Riff Lesson Part 1

[@DrownedTornAsunder]

" I just improvise til it sounds cool. " Best creative advice ever. Seriously.

[@andreya3950]

Fredrik is so djent, even his voice is noise gated.

[@DrXaOs]

+Andrey Andonov hahahhahahahahahahau nailed it bro! also he is stoned as usual! :D

[@thebucketlovers9146]

this is starting to get old

[@Abrahamhamham]

Yeah, but the comment is 1 year old.

[@ezassegai4793]

L M A O

[@nihilanth_mudrarakshas]

This comment deserves a fucking Nobel Prize xD

[@Freezaen]

"Line 6, the tube." "I just improvise until it sounds cool, on the album. Live, I just improvise." -Fredrik, speaking his wisdom

[@djentmaster33]

He says "line 6 vetta 2"

[@Salomon_G]

Marten and Fredrik = The Penn & Teller of metal.

[@AlejoViard98]

They remind me to Loki and Skisgwaar from Metalocalypse.

[@bangasou12]

lol waiting for morten to say SHUT THE FUCK UP

[@nipulkradmsinatagras8293]

More like the *Lennon & Harrison* of Metal.

[@germanugo7788]

@@nipulkradmsinatagras8293 and McCartney?

[@jasmeg2844]

"This is the E string, but I use it as a crash".

[@theosarissky2129]

Oh maaaaaan😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i love this😂😂😂😂😂 This made my day. Tomas the best.

[@DoomShine117]

i love how fredrick doesn't really talk, yet he is the master mind behind meshuggah

[@jyoutube1233]

Tbf I'd say there isn't one mastermind behind Meshuggah as the writing is split fairly evenly between a number of the members, and it kinda depends on the album. Also necrobump haha!

[@DoubleH92]

That's a common misconception.

[@OHBJJ9634]

Fredrick writes most the music except on the new one where dick wrote the majority. Tomas has rythmic(i cant spell) ideas that he programs guitars on. Lyrics are usually done by tomas. Sometimes mårten on his own songs does his own lyrics (ivory tower, demiurge, nebulous). But fredrick is pretty much the brain music wise. And lyrics are usually tomas

[@Fitz1993]

I find it interesting that Jens just turns up to bust out some sick vocals and thats it. It makes sense but fuck what a sweet gig to have.

[@drumkidstu]

@@OHBJJ9634 That's actually a very common misconception. For their first and second records (contradictions collapse and dei) he did quite a lot of the writing and he often would split the writing duties with Jens, but every record since they've split it fairly evenly between him and Mårten. Tomas usually writes at least song per record as well. Tomas writes all the lyrics. Jens just comes in and him and tomas piece the lyrics together. On the latest record, fred did no writing at all. Dick and tomas came together and co wrote 6 tunes together. Mårten came in and wrote 4 of them.

[@joeylo3543]

This video is literally gold. Can’t believe this was uploaded 11 years ago. Time flies!

[@vincecarpenter661]

Probably the only video we can hear fredrik speaking english

[@choronzon69]

"There's nothing intricate about it as far as the bars and like the time signature goes (4/4) - it's the polyrhythmic stuff, how it moves...and how it doesn't always come to the same place every time it moves over." The genius of this approach is that they're dividing their notes which in sum total are multiples of 4/4 into odd-groups that phase in and out of the underlying 4/4 pulse. Polymeter is actually the precise term theory wise since their notes spill over the bars and don't align on the 1 for multiple measures whereas polyrhythms tend to resolve within the bars. Only Dick in the band is theory trained however so using the terms interchangeably really isn't a big deal since they're quite similar concepts and something they don't really calculate (they do however analyse it on the computer when it comes to arranging everything). Tomas prefers to call it odd-note groupings or odd-time cycles, however he's always listening to the 4/4 beneath and not so much the syncopating notes cycling around it. I love how humble they are because while yeah the math is fairly straightforward, writing it all creatively, making it musical and executing it tightly are very difficult, and much harder than just chop and changing odd time-sigs here and there like other progressive bands. Heck even Tool started incorporating Meshuggah's polymetric approach in some of their more recent songs.

[@Schlippan]

When Fredrik said "This is actually a bass string", I just gained 10 kilos of heavyness

[@Bret66]

2:32 best solo every written!!!

[@bsatyam]

8:30 Fredrik is NOT human!

[@fromthesky1050]

it improvise

[@Shane-zo4mg]

2:20 very important words about how they get their sound

[@6Pagan6hate6]

Probably already mentioned but "guitarists Fredrik Thordendal and Marten Hagstrom (above left and right, respectively)"... but Fredrik is on the rigth in the video...

[@mertallica96]

Tomas Fornem You are a psychopath!

[@6Pagan6hate6]

?

[@cloneboy42]

Can't be. If it were flipped, the guitars would look left handed.

[@czr7j9]

been listening to their new ablum lately it is unbelievable how they create those sound using guitar and drums

[@100PercentJoseph]

7:16 DAYUM

[@russelblacker2562]

Oh my

[@bangasou12]

okay okay okay

[@dizzod123]

This is revolutionary

[@rockrenegade]

Great stuff. I met Marten but I'm pissed that I lost my Obzen tour shirt because I had to go to hospital after an injury and it was cut off.

[@XMetalChefX]

......Explain......

[@MichelSchallenberg]

+Fragmenta Official Keep in mind, these guys do the same (cool) shit since they were teens. I think they used to practice a lot back in the days.

[@rockrenegade]

+Michel Schallenberg I wasn't really serious about that, I just admire that they can play what they create in the studio, I think every band should be able to do that.

[@rockrenegade]

+XMetalChefX I was wearing it while I was attacked in a home invasion.

[@continuum288]

In my my stupid ass opinion, Meshuggah always entertains me. Even if there was no real "lesson" here it's cool to hear about different aspects of their music etc.

[@ClosedEyeVisual]

this is actually a bass string

[@roland3285]

Was searching for just that comment.

[@zlayer4514]

Which bass string?

[@rvega8038]

the best part was ''yeh it is''

[@Iheartdgd]

_B W O N G_ (F)

[@Iheartdgd]

@@rvega8038 lmao

[@JarodRebuck]

1:31 Marten realizing Fredrik just talked

[@Chronic_meshuggah_face]

"Guys why did nobody tell me he can do that..?"

[@uriahuriah3792]

Meshuggah and Ministry Tour? Must've been incredible!!

[@killeroforce]

Yeah, Meshuggah's sound is like distorted bass guitar, which is badass.

[@mathprodigy]

"I just improvise 'til it sounds cool, on the albums. And live, I just improvise." Lmao. I fucking love Meshuggah.

[@bmarrero]

To all musicians, fans of Meshuggah I just want to tell that they have said times and times that they do not think their music in terms of time signatures and polyrhythms ... They have just been practicing a personnal, challenging music taste for more than 20 years starting at, say, a medium level, and this is what we get today. It's a will to surprise and not be too predictable among other things. A strong identity that evolved over 20 years.

[@guir0]

where is the "dat 240p" comment?

[@racemachine.1558]

Above yours actually 😂

[@dizzod123]

Above yours lol

[@SHREDDER222X]

two of the most beautiful 8 strings i've ever seen!! D:

[@horseradish4046]

70 gauge 8th string tuned down half a step. So essentially Meshuggah has 3 bass players

[@christophergrimmacy6644]

If I remember, originally, that was Jens's idea, for Meshuggah. |m|

[@thunderheads4103]

Next, Meshuggah will play concert on city street...with guitars from telephone poles and cables, not strings

[@grizzlywhisker]

i have been a drummer for 25ish years, i have picked up bass and guitar a few times over the years and never cared to really stick with it to any major degree... but if my guitar/bass sounded anything like theirs, i would sit there all day dorking around with it.

[@chriscoooley]

@Marshallfan567 the thing is, since they use a 30 inch scale, it stretches the strings a lot more than a regular 25.5 or 27.5 scale length, so it probably feels a lot tighter than you think

[@ZaphodBeeblebrox65]

@iancidplaysguitar The scale length on their guitars is about 4 inches longer than standard strat style guitars, the tension on those strings will be much MUCH higher than it would using the same strings and tuning on any other guitar.

[@YouTubricant]

I learned so many great riffs from watching this video.

[@PaddyShadowMusic]

That was a great line: "I just improvise it until it sounds cool on the albums. And live I just improvise." :D

[@Deevonee]

frederik is a Wizard, he even talks like a wizard. "Seventy"

[@htool11462]

@SnoodNoodler True .... they are very much a band that has polyrythmic beats to the extreme ..... Being a drummer, I am inspired and blown away by Thomas Haake.

[@kovenant777]

major props on the celtic frost hoodie!!

[@k5elevencinc0]

Fredrik has a Iceman 8 string..damn thats beastly!!

[@84SRVSTRAT]

the grandpas geetars

[@mtbthiccness3605]

that gave me a giggle

[@brosephthomas3764]

They totally remind me of that band/show (in a good way)

[@Iheartdgd]

Idk why but I just imagined Marten as a frail 90 year old man showing his grandson his OG 8 string. When our generation is our Grandparent’s age.. that’s going to be pretty difficult to explain lol.

[@Greendevilpaintworks]

This is actually a bass string. yeah it is... I love these guys

[@Skyecracker]

This is old...Saw them this year and Fredrik was playing through a Digitech RP1000...Sounded soooo sic...

[@shinymetalrods_]

loving marten's celtic frost longsleeve

[@brunobliss]

i'm glad to know they sufffered the same suffering i do while learning bleed

[@lobo537]

Dude Fredrick’s iceman 🫣

[@metalhead2theEnd]

man i love that guitar tone!!!

[@Massivecarcrash]

guitars with long necks, usually baritones, 7 and 8 strings. What brand it is doesn't matter. You can play metal on a stratocaster if you like. Don't be a tool and pick something everyone else use, find your own tone. Best way to do that is to go to a guitar shop and play every single guitar until you find something you like. But for this tone? Custom ibanez 8 string baritone with Lundgren M7 pickups.

[@Consural]

8:34 That chuckle.

[@MushFX1337]

I've got an Ibanez RG2228 and I'm in 74 for the F# (in standard tuning), and in 64 for the B, so I assume they are running something like 54 or 62 for the low B. But as they probably said, there 8 strings guitars have a 29.4" scale, which is huge (RG2228 has 27" scale), so a 70 gauge is not the same for them than for us, even if they mostly play in F (standard tuning 1/2 step down). Rawk on!

[@JonCruzGames]

I love Meshuggah. Pure fucking geniuses who have created their own sound and their own style that no one should EVER try to duplicate. Meshuggah is meshuggah is what it is and it's forever what it is.

[@SteelSkin667]

They use Veta IIs, which are modelling amps. So they can basically have any tone they want directly from the head. They don't use cabs either, the Vettas are directly connected to the PA. Their setup is as clean as it can be.

[@nipulkradmsinatagras8293]

*F (super damn low)* *A# (low)* *D# (low)* *G#* *C#* *F#* *A#* *D# (high)*

[@holygroove2]

At 4:00 - THAT is the sound I was trying to find out about. He says it's not really chugging... I thought that was some kind of chord, but it's more of a sound. It really comes out in Electric Red, Lethargica, and a few other tunes on Obzen. It rules! I actually want speakers that make that low rumble jump out.

[@Loki_Highlock]

@Theseventhknight Scale length changes the tension considerably.

[@chriscoooley]

no, they switched to using the fractal audio axeFX, which is a rack preamp

[@2121pooper]

I am no musician. What does he mean by notes in the vocals??? at 1:46

[@MAR.COmusic]

in the early mushuggah stuff there was still a melody going on in the vocals, now it's just screaming :)

[@leandertilstedkrist]

that is a question only a metal fan would ask.

[@2121pooper]

It is true

[@yoman1268]

Matt Nelson it means half step down from standard tuning on a guitar

[@VladlenSergiyenko1979]

I think Meshuggah is one of the most quality death-trash metal bands on this plant since their first album.

[@CameronSummerson]

Dear God, that tone. That. Tone.

[@T8trsalad]

Standard tunings: 7 string - BEADGBE 8 string - F#BEADGBE

[@th1nkman]

@Azgaroth666 Well, I was right about the maple and the Alder lol. What's the main body wood?

[@Justinzorn907]

@Xiphos707fx yeah fredriks on the right its backwards on the description

[@ELECTRICSCARS]

1:50 first and only time i see fredrik laugh

[@holygroove2]

I just improvise until it sounds cool. Yes Frederik. Yes.

[@sumsar01]

i'm not quite sure if it the same size but if I remember right then they use bass strings at least some times

[@lilfili123]

@Haddockxyz300 i think the bass is tuned Bb Eb Ab Db Gb it would be pointless to have a love F string because it would just be a rumble

[@eliten0Ob]

@ibanezbloke Because a baritone-style 6 would limit soloing and high notes altogether. They do utilize high notes once in a hundred years.

[@AlexDysphoria]

@th1nkman Not true, dear Sir. Pickups are Lundgren M8=) Guitarz are maple neck-through with ebony fingerboard and alder wings.

[@kupotaro164]

"Unfortunately... *rollseyes* I have NO idea what kind of wood selection..." I lol'd.

[@SuckaFreeSoliloquy]

How do such white Swedes truly understand the ancient simple complexity of poly-rhythm? Intelligent dudes. They get it. If everyone got it, the world would be a much more epic place. Poly rhythm carries over to waaaay more than just music, but music is the perfect medium to communicate the concept. Ask Ghana.

[@linitweapon]

@EliteNoodle249 they have one coming out in 2012

[@Blackbird5150]

@swedisheinherjer that's not a Floyd Rose it's an Edge fixed bridge that looks like a tremolo, it's standard on all 8 string Ibanez guitars..

[@Jamble187]

With locking tuners, restringing an 8 string is actually a little faster than restringing a 6 string.

[@YUFUSLAM]

I saw them four days ago, Damn, shit was awesome, such a bass rumble with every single instrument

[@Fraeg]

when he says: the tension and the measure is able to carry the tone.. thats the whole deal. what is he meaning? that in part the sheer mass of the guitar and added tension of the 7th and 8th strings is adding to the overall tone?? can anyone explain please?

[@Person009]

@horrorandmetalfan001 Have you not listened to songs until the solos such as on one of their most famous tracks 'New Millenium Cyanide Christ'?

[@k5elevencinc0]

@musicguitarlessons whoa are you gonna make a video on it?

[@thatguy5557123]

@iancidplaysguitar because of the longer scale they don't have to use heavier strings

[@Villainiz3d]

"Poor bastard...." "He likes it"

[@SlitSys]

Frederiks guitar looks like the United States

[@6slayer6sam62]

I believe epiphone had a guitar that was USA shaped lol

[@illlanoize23]

Those iceman shapes always did haha

[@splicerslayer129]

yea but but do they have this sound. like that dull no eco kind of sound like these guys guitars?

[@JoshFieldhouse3]

Gods.

[@ThePizzamage]

man, i really wish they would of givin the option for the Iceman body for the M8M sig. :/

[@kharnael]

I just saw on different forums that he has two different tunings : 5 strings : Bb3 Eb3 Ab3 Db3 Gb3 4 strings : Standard tuning , up half on each strings

[@EclipseAtDusk]

@fingerboy18 Well, for this whole they were not using their normal gear. They simply had their guitars running into the Amps that Guitar World has sitting in their office for lessons like this. Otherwise, they run their guitars into Line 6POD X3 Rack units, then Line 6 Vetta II amp heads. After that, I know Fredrick runs the signal to whatever the PA is where they are playing, and i believe that Marten uses Line 6 cabs Not positive, though.

[@gredangeo]

Why would you do that for? Makes the lower frets to high. I always found it easier right leg. Besides I rarely go past the 17th fret area anyways, and only on a few notes. I no solo typically. :)

[@sandrogoncalves8819]

Someone can tell me what is the tuning of meshuggah for six syrings?

[@storfarbrorn489]

5:42 hahaha. Tomas is the bands slave

[@mrbullseye]

Actually it's not Martin, but Mårten. (pronounciation wise, think morten, almost like mark mortons last name.) Common mistake :)

[@AlexDysphoria]

Actually Meshuggah uses Line6 Vetta II heads. Still I saw information that Meshuggah also had started to use Fractal Audio AxeFX Ultra processors.

[@MrDrMegna]

@Azgaroth666 maple and wenge neck rosewood fretboard and the iceman has ash wings

[@Mayhem136695]

Hmm, I didn't quite catch what they said the string gauge was...

[@MartyFriedmanRulez66]

@dujl 100% agree John Frusciante said it best "It's not about showing what you can do with a piece of wood and some strings, it's all about the music."

[@Marol2137]

@Theseventhknight I got a 0.72 on 25,5' 7 string and when i tune to f it falls like spaghetti, on a 30,5' it must be really tight.

[@Alejandro4891]

@I3lackArrow did some of his awesomeness channel into you?

[@1jaredjacobs]

@Marshallfan567 so u gauge it as a 8 string like me?

[@splicerslayer129]

wat guitars are best for this kind of metal??

[@Stashitquick]

I thought the RG2228 had a 28" or 28.5" scale. Hence the 28 in 2228 and Tosin Abasi's RG2228 is 28.5"

[@6672rock]

The two lowest strings are good for single-note riffing, but with all that saturated distortion, chords just sound muddy and the individual notes bleed into each other.

[@johnathantrevino346]

These were the first 8 strings I saw when I was 15 and thought it was crazy....and now there's nine

[@michaelborg4771]

Johnathan Trevino Legator recently came out with a 10 string.

[@bangasou12]

theres always been multiple string guitars

[@talloccasion1562]

you ever heard of a guy named Jared Dines?

[@barret707]

the Iceman looks like an Ashbody with a maple neck and the RG is a Mahogany body with a mahogany neck i think

[@Nunez87]

I watched a vid with their soundman, he said the 8string is down a halfstep to F

[@eschaton]

Actually they don't rehearse together much; they haven't since DEI. They live quite far away from each other nowadays so it's impractical to get together very often aside from rehearsing for tours.