Meshuggah Metal Riff Lesson Part 2

[@Freezaen]

"It... Move." + Hand gesture -Fredrik, speaking his wisdom

[@Meurth]

2:44 "It... move..." -Fredrik Thordendal 2008

[@dngrouscrgo]

I think his mic fell off his shirt so a lot of what he said got lost

[@7AKV7]

"It's moving all the time" he said. They just thought one mic on Morten will be enough. It's not enough.

[@sjn_]

I like how Marten saved him tho 😂

[@ddrumdude]

😂😂

[@forwonder]

why waste time say lot word when few word do trick

[@horseradish4046]

when they lock in ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY at 8:04 with no metronome is fuckin sick, this is the power of Meshuggah, these two guys and their inhuman telekinetic guitar duo

[@YanusDV]

What Fred does at 7:59 is fucking crazy. He starts to count the 4/4 to lock into the song

[@hockeyfreak66666]

Drummers disguised as guitar players are funny like that

[@Knutorius]

0:11 Rational Gaze - Opening 0:34 Rational Gaze - Verse 1:10 Rational Gaze - Breakdown 1:51 Bleed - Opening/Verse/Pre-Chorus 2:43 regular guitar playing 3:18 Bleed - 3rd Verse / Riff Variation 4:37 Electric Red - Breakdown / Polyrhythmic Riff (where this happens) 6:20 Electric Red - Opening / Main Riff

[@Blargaha]

makes you proud to be swedish, they are absolutely beastly live! One of the best live bands I've seen

[@LunarLionheart]

Love how Fredrik clicked in like a metronome and started playing with him.....hes a machine.

[@CharlesUrich]

Meshuggah's elastic rhythms are absolutely fresh and cutting edge. Get in on the groove or get out. Nothing but love for the shug

[@hectorvegasduque2234]

Damn 13 years ago, I wonder if the guy still loves the shug

[@HINRG14]

I would hope one simply does not stop loving the shug

[@uriahuriah3792]

​@@HINRG14haha

[@doktormoney]

the fact that "this is just how we see music" makes more sense than every other video there is about playing meshuggah....

[@bparrish99]

I watched the Bleed section, and immediately am great at playing Bleed! Amazing!

[@jobodemon]

8:04 sounds massive

[@harryhengel]

I love the Meshuggah. It's funny to see how quiet (shy) Frederik is. I think the ending riff in Electric red is one of my favourite Meshuggah riffs. The other 20.000 not mentioned.

[@NikkElektrik]

I aspire to be able to play rhythm guitar like Fredrik. His accuracy, and memory (I mean the guy remembers 8min songs that mostly have no actual melody to keep in mind, and the riffs are just variations of the same crazy incomprehensible discordant-looking pattern!) and a right hand stamina that is mind-blowing.

[@MrXunholyx]

That Electric Red riff is evil.

[@KingJamesNBK187]

MrXunholyx right!

[@holygroove2]

Incredible video now in 2024!!! Love the Electric Red riff!

[@niovus4053]

As a fellow musician and metal composer, I can tell you guys that it is not an easy task to write polyrhythms with such intensity! Meshuggah is hands down one of the best metal bands to grace the earth. Their riffs have inspired so many creative artists, including me. These dudes are great!

[@SeeMick1]

I love how Fredrik keeps noodling while Marten is talking

[@djangofett4879]

Its funny how you see several people commenting about how they don't like meshuggah on every frickin' video. If you hate them so much, then you must really be a glutton for punishment.

[@tabza]

I love how Fredrik just jumps in on the action at 7:58

[@ComeAtMeBeer]

I've always been attracted to "odd" sounding music. I grew up with Korn (not their later shit, I'm talking first album) and Tool. It was easy for me to get into Meshuggah because they have exactly what I look for in metal; rhythmically focused music that has an unusual feel and approach.

[@romanthegambler6966]

how's your journey been these ten long years?

[@Goose21]

@@romanthegambler6966prolonged exposure to such chuggy riffage has left him unable to respond

[@DROWXXI]

Take a shot anytime meshuggah palm mutes

[@enzio24]

pretty much hahahaha

[@BradyThomas]

oh god what about bleed

[@hogosbazvarakh9220]

HAHAHAHahAHAhaHAhahaHAHASHAHhaHAhaahahaHAHAHAhaHaaaHahaha YOur so dune!

[@metallicaspiker16]

First 5 seconds of Bleed is Insta-death.

[@Iheartdgd]

My lawyer would like a word with you

[@ifutureman]

"This is a rhythmic exercise." AND I LOVE IT! Who says a hook can't be strictly a rhythm?

[@juggernautone577]

0:00 Rational Gaze 1:45 Bleed 4:12 Electric Red

[@xxczerxx]

How the f*** do they remember all those rhythms for live shows? :O

[@drumkidstu]

Feeling. They learn the songs by feel. Counting just makes it confusing.

[@AndrewKlinger]

@@drumkidstu 6 years later we've finally figured it out!!

[@crow-vz5lx]

it i really the feel and sound for them .

[@darkySp]

I can remember them by feel, which i would guess is how they probably do it, but honestly ? No idea how they remember the latter part of Bleed, i think it's the 3rd Verse. Can't get past the 4th bar.

[@leviathan3630]

@@darkySp that's when the counting starts

[@Oreomeister]

Tool and meshuggah are good friends. Their influence on each other is apparent to people who listen to both. The fact that two quite different types of music can be influential on each other is awesome. That riff was influenced by jambi, and jambi was influenced by meshuggah. Cool stuff.

[@dryad_92]

I love how eloquent they are about the bands purpose and sound.

[@holygroove2]

I wish they'd have gone further into the next section of the Bleed riffs cause that's what makes the song awesome - when they vary the rhythm and make it start and stop in funky places. LOVE it!

[@brianvillage5]

that electric red riff is dope

[@ifluxion]

4:30 lol Hagstrom - Ah, and um...it's ah where uh....uh...we come in... Thordendal - This happens Hagstrom - Yea, exactly. This happens.

[@bok3rnes425]

6:56 de-dooo-du-ku-tu-ku-tu-ku-tuk (polyrhythmic language). But yeah their music is cool and complicated (that's what's makes it fun) 👍👍👍👍👍

[@000sicair]

The thing I can never get over is how small they make those giant fucking guitars look.

[@underscoreisnotvalid]

man i love these guys, they have such a good feel in terms of groove and a sick guitar tone

[@SoaringTrumpet]

That lick in Electric Red is one of my Meshuggah favs. Basic 4/4 time, catchy as hell repetitive ("and so forth"!) syncopated riffs on top. I'm tapping my toe but at the same time trying to follow the complexity of rhythm.

[@EFFJAY88]

It’s crazy how effortlessly he plays all this stuff. The timing is insane.

[@FRANK45CASTLE]

I never even seen this in recommended for 14 fuckin years. This is awesome and makes me feel old lol

[@MatheusMPL]

8:03 damn, that's heavy

[@holygroove2]

Man that Electric Red riff is still crazy fun. Love how tricky it sounds and IS.

[@holygroove2]

Dude. Electric Red is my favorite song on Obzen. I'll have everyone know that I bought that album b/c of this video.

[@CamiloHorrorShow]

Wow I do like listening to Meshuggah but my laptop speakers don't allow such low frequencies

[@MrPist0ler0]

The tone on the Electric Red riff is \m/ for life!

[@AlexDysphoria]

To speak honestly, if to blame Meshuggah for peacockery that 2 strings are enough for playing Meshuggah rather than 8, then it would be fair to blame thousands of other popular bands who really don't play more than 2-3 strings on their 6-strings. Technique is something very subjective, personally I find polyrhythmic leads by Fredrick very technical, and I cannot say any guy from Meshuggah is a technical mediocrity.

[@-cfh-architector7963]

RiffMasters!

[@PansyFeet]

man, I love the sound they get, and thats without any stomp boxes or anything? Freaking awesome

[@AlexDysphoria]

Dear Sir, I can assure you Fredrick uses all of his strings while doing his incredible lead work. I also would like to recommend you Fredrick Thordendal Special Defects side-project. Solos it contains have completely blown me away - that proves at least Fredrick understands and uses potential of every string in his 7 and 8-string guitars. It is just a matter of Meshuggah's music - using of the lowest strings most frequently.

[@Blend33]

1:11 to 1:45 did anyone notice how thats a Crescendo to Decrescendo part; like the bends Crescendo and Deceescendo...very subtle

[@rjc7289]

I love their use of odd time signatures. They put an interesting spin on heavy metal rhythm guitar. When you consider most metal guitarists distinguish themselves with their lead guitar playing, the fact that they are unique for their rhythm parts is quite remarkable. Normally, these super-low, dinosaur-fart riffs aren't my thing, but I have to give them credit for forging their own path and not sounding like anyone else.

[@CharlesUrich]

On the contrary my friend, I love Meshuggah more than anything. nothin but love

[@Henry14arsenal2007]

Anyone knows their signal chain/tone for this video? Seriously that tone sounds so brutal.

[@DontPieceMe221]

The tightest guitar duo (and band) ever.

[@kaakatin]

Cool to see Marten's head bopping in 4/4 when he plays

[@Marinkorpse]

Most metal heads are great people, friendly, loyal and sort of family guy. But of course they will be more friendly to you if you are part of the tribe. The concert's crowd I enjoy the most are the metal ones, they are into the music. No talking, people staring at the band or killing each other. Plain awesomeness

[@hoofed]

Rational Gaze is from the album Nothing. There are two versions of the album and both should be on the iTunes Store.

[@saintlotus93]

I had a lot of trouble with it too, but I realized most of my trouble was because I would stiffen up when played it. I had to practice really slow, that way my wrist and arm would be more relaxed and loose, when I played it full speed. It also smoothed out when I changed my pick to a dunlop jazz 3, they glide over the strings a lot easier, for me.

[@argavilda]

"... he goes wild and does whatever drums do when they go flashy..."

[@CadaverSpawn]

That's some serious timing!

[@domigit]

@MendingSilence It's regular Eb tuning (Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Bb, Eb) and the two low strings are an F and a Bb

[@NecroButcher91]

The bass in the newer ('Nothing' to now) albums is actually tuned to the same pitch as the eight strings, because if it was an octave lower the speakers wouldn't be able to reproduce the frequencies properly. So that's mostly why they have that popping or boinging bass quality, because the bass and the guitars kinda blend together because they're the same pitch and they use alot of distortion on the bass.

[@donSparda]

Looking forward to downtuning to the Meshuggah tuning and playingxD

[@AntiHero1996]

@Blargaha Have you seen em? They're on my list of need to see bands.

[@DrXaOs]

lol fredrik is stoned lol 0:35

[@Si-Al-Ti]

+DrXaOs haha classic!

[@DrXaOs]

kungmat :D

[@AlexDysphoria]

Ah, guys, could you please stop this "8 strings are completely unnecessary" and "boring stuff"? Why should I ask everyone every time to be tolerant and polite here? Please, do not offend the tastes of those people who love Meshuggah (including me). Thanks.

[@ZEROTECHMUSIC]

Whoever says 8 strings are unnecessary doesn't own an 8 string and are jelous xD

[@Iheartdgd]

@@ZEROTECHMUSIC after owning an 8 string for half a year after being one of those kinds of people for my entire life... I think you might be dead on.

[@bmw_m4255]

Stop complaining about your own video

[@bmw_m4255]

@JM Coulon that's funny

[@faaip0de0oaid]

man that guitar sound is amazing!!

[@santoslhalper6116]

Marten's a comic genius.

[@AlexDysphoria]

Well, still let's respect Korn fans. There are a lot of people who love their music and are influenced by them. But still Meshuggah's lowness is so fucking sick! *praying to Re-Nothing guitar tone*

[@dngrouscrgo]

for some of the craziest metalheads known to man, these guys seem like that nicest people in the word XD

[@SquareWand]

@Virus940 I think they all sound different and unique enough that remembering it is like thinking about that one pair of socks with a hole in it. Its somewhere in the pile for sure.. and as soon as you see a glimpse of it you're able to recite every last thread in the sock.

[@PhillipMcKeever]

@CorvetteCoonass i can understand those low of notes as long as theres not too much distortion.. i picked up bass about a year ago and its getting better

[@Spermwhales93]

@PansyFeet They use an Axe FX Utra now, but then it was just the Line 6 Vetta II heads and the cabs.

[@METALHEAD80s]

dude totally!! These guys should be playing at the end of the fucking world. Sometimes when I listen to the actual song obzen I like the world is going to end when it stops and that crazy heavy riff comes in. SOOOO FUCKING HEAVY

[@OfficialArkasia]

Actually, Fredrik is on the right and Marten on the left

[@TheDescent]

3.18 to 4.12 it's absolutely brain melting to me.

[@boxmouth1]

8:04 Gotta love the internal metronome.

[@Pepefromthebario]

what kind of amp do thy use does anyone know how i can get this sound???

[@Batoo21]

i still cannot understand how its possible to play this with methronome:) awesome.

[@Solar-Winds]

@bluetoothmark Wiki says: meshuga:, also meshugge, meshugah, meshuggah: crazy (Yiddish משוגע meshuge, from Hebrew məšugga‘) So, plausible, but, I'm not too sure that's the reason behind their name.

[@Freezaen]

Those guitars must be so friggin' tight.

[@Marinkorpse]

I agree with you sire, love both bands as well

[@hssn124815030]

look how he moves his fist in the opening riff of bleed THAT'S GREATTTTT !!!!!!1

[@guillermomartinviana9390]

@Pepefromthebario I think they use the Axe Fx.

[@killzoomer]

Meshuggah is AWESOME!!!

[@Vulnus777]

I like how I don't play guitar but its just amazing to watch.

[@supah1337B]

what normmaly suprises me, with theres songs, mainly bleed obzen rational gaze esc they have repeating riffs yet still keep it non repetitive

[@fredmachine]

@mazklassa1 They mention their amps in the first part. Line 6 Vetta II heads.

[@TheChrispablo]

fredriks iceman 8 strink blew everything away...

[@Armorteur]

Amazing, when they both play.

[@andysdead]

@Jayomi09 wonder how would Fredrik feel about Tosin Abasi...

[@1x9x8x9]

Great vids bro, cheers!

[@jasperbooth6383]

"So heavy,the devil couldn't even lift it" -Chip Chipperson

[@CorvetteCoonass]

@PhillipMcKeever I can clearly hear the difference in notes that they are playing, but I'm also a bass player so that pitch range is normal for me.

[@Vesna83]

can it be more heavier than the riff starting at 7:55

[@44eelz]

@toxsikkilla are you sure? didnt they say it has a longer scale tho?

[@shapiro127]

@Wrathofkala I think people tend to mean technical not only in the physical sense, but also in the mental sense. For example, try to play bleed. Its so mentally and physically taxing I think you'll understand once you try to keep up with the polyrhythms.

[@juvedoo99]

@feverhood first six strings are regular tuning and the 7th is a b and the last is an ff but they do f# i think.

[@jAndEl01504MeTaL]

wow.. REALLY COOL.. tnx for this lesson.. I LUV the CHUG-CHUG sound of that 8-string-guitar.. haha

[@Hagstrom4ever]

In a lot of cases yes, sometimes are our parents that make us study music also when we don't need this, or when we don't show to be interested to study music, only to be educated in this way.

[@MetalAriel]

now that I think about it I must admit you're right

[@minkowski198503]

Martin is wearing Celtic Frost shirt. I fuckin' love it !

[@wasitthat]

@Crazymark1 He hardly has room in his brain for linguistics, that guy is so fucking metal.

[@reamp0000]

really nice guys

[@Hagstrom4ever]

I've never said that theory is useless, at the contrary, but sometimes, or better, the most of times who study music is not really free or able to write non-considering the penthagram, self-thaught people are a different approach to songwriting, haveto use yuour head to find a way to do what you want, sometimes autodidact find something new, that noone have never thought, so...

[@MaLaKaThIsS]

woaah yess sooo beast like their tone and playing!!!