Metal Casting with Synthetic Gemstones - a Lost Resin experiment by VOGMAN

[@KrakenCasting]

"As real as I need them to be" XD That got a real chuckle out of me. Nice one!

[@vogman]

😁

[@antoniomromo]

The ring is beautiful and the puns are top notch good sir.

[@vogman]

The puns are the most important thing 😁😁😁😁😁

[@bensgizmo2960]

I knew you'd get it! Yes, I see inclusions in created stones regularly. They still very in quality and are still subject to damage from mishandling before they even get to you. I've noticed investment curing temperature before burnout might play a role in casting quality. If my shop is around 65°F or 18.3°C, I've had a tendency for the investment to break down giving me very rough surfaces on my castings. I'd need to do a lot of extra work to make them perfect or recast. If I stabilize my investment and water around 73°F or 22.8°C and let the investment cure at that temp, my castings tend to be much better. Easily showing the pixels from the Phrozen Sonic Mini 8k. Thanks again for your great videos!

[@vogman]

Yes, my powder asks for water at 21C and in honesty I just keep it at room temperature, though in my home that's typically around 22, so it's fine. However, it's been around 30C here for a few days, so yes, the water temperature was much higher than usual. That might account for the flaws in this casting. I also think another 5 degrees on the metal may have helped as it does look a little sluggish 😁 Thank you VERY much for sharing your knowledge. It's really appreciated.

[@MariusKramer]

The best funnel filter thing I‘ve ever seen!

[@johngrant5749]

Thanks for your rainwater tip and especially for the ingenious funnel. I usually pump excess water from the water butt outside my workshop to a drain but methinks storing a few gallons will be worthwhile for all manor of things. PC water cooling, electrolysis etc although would still need to be distilled. As well as collecting particles on the way down rain also collects gasses apparently hence acid rain.

[@vogman]

If you live in a heavily industrialised area with intense traffic, etc, then falling rain will pick up crap along the way. It's a shame, but there it is. It's argued that there's some pollutants in the rain even before it falls. But I suppose you have to ask, which is chemically cleaner... tap water or filtered rainwater? My guess is rainwater. It might not be as perfect as de-ionised water, but it's free and works well enough for my needs 😁😁😁

[@stanf3531]

Looks Fantastic!! Love to see more of these kind of things with various materials integrated.

[@vogman]

I'll wait and see which way inspiration takes me 😁

[@tonywharton5220]

We all benefit from a big long screw. I filter my rain water too but only use paint filters. I like the idea of a paint filter inside a coffee filter 👍

[@vogman]

It's a slow, trickle filter with a coffee filter paper, but it ensures there's no little bits in there that might get into your castings 😁

[@tonywharton5220]

@@vogman It's not for casting! I'm not as rich as you VOG😜 I find that over time, the crud from my water butt's (notice I said butt's? That's because I'm also very rich and can afford 2 water buts) It starts blocking the fine roses of my watering cans. (I have at least 7 lol) Beat that VOG. Thank you for your great advice as always. How long do you think it would take to fill a 10, yes a 10 litre watering can please bud?

[@jeffjefferson2676]

This is perfect! It came out so well! Thank you for uploading! Greetings, Jeff

[@vogman]

Thanks Jeff 😁

[@vickovaden8780]

I knew this ring was going to look good. But it realy came out amazing. Especially with that finish. This is something I would wear.

[@vickovaden8780]

P.S. Thanks for the water tip. Never thaught about it.

[@vogman]

Thank you! 😊

[@_emory]

"anyone familiar with my veg oil systems will know how much i love settling." spoken like the hitchhiker's guide narrator that you truly are

[@BrakhianSoldier]

That is a handsome ring! Another source of distilled water is your AC unit. Just collect the water from it and you won't even have to filter it, you're good to go as soon as you collect it.

[@vogman]

Nice idea. Thanks for sharing 😁

[@ow_shark9629]

As a dental tech I am amazed by your design, looks so cool! I really want to make this too

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for sharing 👍 I use water from my dehumidifier in my steam models for the same reasons 😀

[@vogman]

Smart thinking! 😁

[@mikecampbell1829]

So VOG, As a goldsmith and metal artist for 45+ years, this is what my experience has informed me. You actually can quench corundum (rubies and sapphires - [yes, that is spelled correctly] - either natural or lab created stones as long as they don't have any inclusions, or or other major imperfections in the stone. Typically, I don't quench big gems just to be on the safe side. Little and inexpensive stones like the ones you are using I quench all the time. Here is a tip for removing the casting investment when you are done and the flask has cooled to the point where you can handle it: tap the side of the flask with a ball peen hammer. Do it lightly, and rotate the flask as you tap it. The vibration of the percussion impact of the hammer will eventually fracture the investment and it will fall out of the flask, and as long as you don't hit the flask with a lot of force, the hammer will not dent the flask.

[@vogman]

Fantastic tip, thanks Mike 😁

[@andriosz]

Awesome. I wish you would do some more DIY videos (other then casting) like back in the day. There was so much interesting stuff that you've made.

[@vogman]

I enjoyed those videos too, but at the time very few people watched them. If you have any suggestions, I'm happy to listen 😁

[@jakobhalskov]

Great success - happy to see you succeeded with this second try :) I just cast my first bronze ring this weekend; great fun!

[@vogman]

Nice one Jakob. Welcome to the casting club 😁😁😁

[@ShapingSilver]

That turned out fantastic! It's an very interesting process you have mastered there. Good one, buddy!

[@vogman]

"Mastered" is never a term that can be applied to me buddy. Hope you're doing okay 😁

[@manuelreisch2379]

Nice video again! FYI: The ruby's start to glow in UV light.

[@vogman]

I didn't know that. I'll have to try it 😁

[@andreipendle1778]

Truly one of your best creations! Congratulations on the new technique and the beautiful ring.

[@vogman]

Thank you so much 😀

[@peterkiss1204]

It's fantastic! I definitely need to get into casting. There would be so much relics and artifacts to make a replica of from games and movies, not to mention really high quality props for boardgames I designed and want to become real. My brother-in-law wanted to get into small jewelry making already.

[@GVDRAGONFISTS]

wow amazing video really was hopeing you would do round 2... learned alot the water tip was interesting...... I would like to put In a request for a video I am sure would be amazing.... On Patina and what driffrent colors you can get on silver. plus I saw somewhere when adding heat to the liver of sulfur will set better and give of different finishes. however I am looking forward to your next video I always learn something new thanks Vog.

[@vogman]

Liver of Sulphor is what I use and if there's science to it, I don't know what it is. The instruction are "add a little hot water," which is vague. Sill it works well enough for me 😁

[@byanarga2387]

your channel is incredibly amazing! thanks for sharing

[@vogman]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@HunterValleyDan]

Great result Geoff!

[@vogman]

Many thanks Dan 😁

[@juanofthekind]

The art of perseverance. Good job.

[@vogman]

Thanks buddy 😁

[@bs-tech.solutions]

Absolutely brilliant!

[@vogman]

Thanks Brenton 😁

[@SuperRunico]

Que bien te quedó excelente 👍🏻

[@vogman]

Muchísimas gracias 😁

[@dangerousandy]

That looks fantastic! Nice job 👍🏻

[@vogman]

Many thanks 😁

[@spassser]

that looks fantastic... great job

[@vogman]

Thanks 😁

[@mortem-tyrannis]

Absolute fantastic job.

[@vogman]

Thanks Kane 😁

[@sebastienc8797]

Hello Nice cast VOG ! I've done some casts with zircon gems, they support very well the heat, and are cheap too :)

[@vogman]

Thanks for the tip! 😁

[@ianroberts8158]

Brilliant work Geoff best wishes

[@vogman]

Thanks Ian. Take care buddy 😁

[@joshuablanchette2836]

Looks great! You've inspired me to make my own bake off oven and vacuum casting machine. Running a Photon Ultra making jewelry. I'd love to see more gems casted in place as there's not too much info on on this. Especially yellowing of white diamonds. Would be awesome to see a large gem casted into the center of a ring. Thanks for all the great content!

[@vogman]

Glad I've inspired you and thanks for the input 😁

[@Del350K4]

Imagine if you could go back in time. With a pocketful of those rubies, to a period in which synthetic gems were unknown - you could afford to meke everything better with a new good long screw each and every day! Well done - the finished result is terrific.

[@johnmccanntruth]

This one turned out really well!

[@vogman]

Thanks John 😁

[@cameronpeace1049]

Fantastic result Geof would definitely like to have a go at the gem version if possible please

[@vogman]

No worries buddy. Anyone who buys the file on Etsy can ask me for the Gem version as well. I'm happy to help. etsy.me/3QIuzIh

[@D3rron08]

@@vogman same here, where do you have a link to buy the gems?

[@vogman]

Depends where you are. In the UK I used these guys - wardgemstones.com A tip I'd use is to order 10 or more. The price of 2 was the same as the price of 10 for me, so I was happy to buy the extra.

[@ThoughtFission]

I was wondering if you could get more light behind the gems? It would make them glow a bit more. Like some diamond rings have settings that hold the diamond up to allow light in from behind.

[@JohnDoe-ny1wp]

Too cool. GREAT work.

[@vogman]

Thanks a lot! 😁

[@bentleygt3716]

AWESOME !. i enjoyed watching your video a lot. THANK YOU for the tips. i have a question.. ( obviously , we can't use any stone to cast to.) . so is there a specific name for these synthetic Stones that you safely cast metal to ??. thanks again.

[@HoodBillyLife]

Very nice job

[@VinnyBagODoughnuts]

That ring looks bad-ass!

[@vogman]

Thanks Vinny 😁

[@larsmurdochkalsta8808]

I've always wondered why people quench their casts. I've only known one person who did metal casting but they did bronze casting for statues and stuff. They didn't vacuum cast because the equipment for that at that scale is honestly absurd and you might as well aerospace components at that point. But his whole thing was essentially he had a big oven that all the casting molds would go into, and warm the molds up, and then after the burnout was done he would hold them around that temperature and cast into them well they were still warm. And then close the oven it would get back up to whatever temperature it was at before and then shut off and slowly cool down over the course of a couple days. His logic for this was that It reduced the stress in the metal like normalizing or anealing. But his casts seemed to have a very high success rate.

[@user-zb5xb2dv6s]

I recently found your channel and I love it. But wouldn't the water from a washer dryer reservoir a cleaner option for casting?

[@vogman]

Wherever you source your water is fine. I'm just offering an option 😁

[@Missingbyte]

A good long screw does make everything better, you are right sir! 😂 - Gold

[@vogman]

I try to share a little wisdom where I can 😁😁😁

[@Gocast2]

Amazing casting as always 👏 . Thanks for tip on getting distilled water. Can you perhaps give us some guidance on vacuum pump maintenance? I believe you can run the vac pump oil through a filter to remove the water/contaminants, instead of replacing it constantly.

[@thefunkyhippy7778]

Thank you so much for this. Im having trouble getting the power resin Dark to stick in the build plate of my phrozen sonic mini 8k. Csnt find recommend settings and similar settings are no working.

[@vogman]

Power Resins are pretty hopeless at providing reliable settings, where is crazy with a resin that at the top end of the price scale. I've written to them asking if they'll address these issues, but Power Resins have never answered my emails or Instagram messages. This is a real shame. If you saw my Dark and my Opaque reviews, I mentioned the lack of settings on both occasions, and yet Power Resins have ignored me. Why send out a product for review and testing if you don't listen to the feedback from the review or their viewers? Sadly this means that I don't have any information I can share with you. Have you tried Siraya Tech resin? It's much cheaper and does a great job kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5WroZqtfLWtmac

[@ScytheNoire]

Is there was reason to vacuum out the air bubbles before pouring the plaster, and then again after? Wouldn't only the post-pour one be needed?

[@InitiallyJB]

Looks great

[@vogman]

Many thanks 😁

[@CdoGtheGreat]

"A good long screw certainly makes everything better " lol 😆

[@vogman]

It's not a VOG video without some innuendo 😁

[@mohamedsaadany8883]

When will you make review about Anycubic new dlp d2 3d printer ?

[@joshuablanchette2836]

What is your top pick resin for casting gold jewelry? Easy burn out with minimal shrinkage and good detail. Having Problems with my Phrozen Wax not burning out properly.

[@BaronVonWoods]

Very cool! I have learned a lot from you. Where did you source the synthetic rubies from?

[@vogman]

It is in the video but I clearly didn't make it obvious enough as a few folks have asked. I had these from a British company. They do all sorts. wardgemstones.com

[@BaronVonWoods]

@@vogman Thanks! I must have missed it.

[@Convolutedtubules]

Try zero top layers for the funnel, using the infil as a permeable surface.

[@vogman]

Don't worry about the state of the filter in my video. It's a few years old and has worked hard. It's entitled to look a little tatty now. I know I do 😁😁😁

[@WONYEPEZ]

hola como estas disculpa tu tienes los parámetros de chitubox de la resina siraya tech purpura ? quiero usar esa resina para joyeria

[@christorrison832]

Could this be done, using rubies and steel? Or is molten steel just too hot for the rubies to handle? If it is too hot, then what techniques would you recommend for seating rubies in a solid steel object?

[@vogman]

I doubt it. Molten steel is just too hot I think.

[@esurfrider7687]

Hey Vogman! Where to get reputable synthetic gems?

[@The68Seeker]

I could not seem to find the garnets on the company's site, maybe I'm missing something. Do you have a link or the name they call them buy. Thanks for the Vid.

[@taftancastingchannel]

Minute 1:33 Why did the lady's picture come?

[@vogman]

Because she's wearing a ruby ring 😁

[@TheUnofficialMaker]

6:50 Amen to that!

[@emmanueltorres182]

You could use a heated super sonic washer as well. I think that using this would make much easier to clean then doing it by hand.

[@vogman]

Not something I've come across 😁

[@charlesforbin6937]

Have you found if there is really That much better definition of detail between 4k to 8k?.......Thanks Vog

[@keal.vietnam]

Is the plaster you use the same as the plaster used on house ceilings ?? Sir ♥

[@vogman]

No my friend, it's special porous plaster. You can look up the one I use here vegoilguy.co.uk/equipment.php

[@keal.vietnam]

@@vogman thanks you so much

[@hd-bild1513]

These rubies as eyes to the helmet of star lord form guardians of the galaxy. Great job on the cast :)

[@rafar8110]

Where can I find 3d models of stones with accurate size?

[@pystig]

…as real as i need them to be….😂 great one😂

[@AdventuraNZ]

How do the gems stay in place during the burnout ??

[@christianblack2916]

Great work as ever. Quick Q for Geoff or the Brotherhood of VOG: With an ultrasonic cleaner, is it worth using a special cleaning fluid or is dish soap OK? Whats the best brand of cleaning fluid? I just ordered the US cleaner Geoff recommends on his kit summary page.

[@vogman]

Hi Christian. Personally I just use laundry detergent and a spoonful of citric acid. This seems to work great, removing oxidisation and plaster. I also have a smaller plastic container in which I keep IPA. When I 3D print, I'll float this smaller container on top of the water content. It still vibrates the print and gets it spotlessly clean, but it doesn't mix the IPA and the water. It's just a quick time saver 😁

[@christianblack2916]

@@vogman Thanks, Geoff. Top answer, top bloke. I will be using it to clean off polishing compound residue. Re plaster residue I have always used sandblasting ,, Thats VERY quick and effective and the very shallow frosted texture it gives the metal comes off with the polishing process while leaving a faint, even texture in recesses. That's great for most, naturally not all pieces. Your IPA trick is clever!

[@martinmaldonado2419]

Great video, i bought the "Power Resins Burn" some time ago because of your videos and i like it, but this one seems pretty good. Which one do you prefer? Power Resins or Siraya Tech? Thank you, i love your videos :)

[@vogman]

To be honest, I generally recommend Siraya Tech Cast as it's affordable, easily available and does a damn good job. Power Resins are good, but they're very expensive, useless on customer relations (they've never answered any of my emails) and don't provide users with required printer settings. So why give them the custom? Amazon UK ▶ amzn.to/3GKRVaW Amazon US ▶ amzn.to/33O7622 Amazon CA ▶ amzn.to/3PqIjqc

[@martinmaldonado2419]

@@vogman Thank you so much for responding. You are right, Siraya Tech Cast will definitely be my next resin.

[@ikub58]

Where did you get the rubies that cheap?

[@vogman]

It is in the video but I clearly didn't make it obvious enough as a few folks have asked. I had these from a British company. They do all sorts. wardgemstones.com

[@taftancastingchannel]

Very nice 👍🏼 🙂

[@vogman]

Thank you 👍

[@ejim941099]

Why do you skip the removal of the mold and go straight to the metal melting/casting?

[@vogman]

There is no mold. This isn't Lost Wax casting, it's Lost Resin casting, which means we can go straight from print to casting 😁

[@zumbazumba1]

You can make a ruby with aluminum oxide and a electric welder . Think nighthawk in light did it.

[@vogman]

Interesting...

[@burnologist229]

Have you cast pure zinc before in my experience it casts phenomenaly. Like 10x better than aluminum

[@vogman]

I've never tried Zinc 😁

[@curtissbreeding8753]

Awesome

[@vogman]

Many thanks 😁

[@keal.vietnam]

Conglaturation ♥o ♥

[@vogman]

Many thanks 😁

[@juzensari2589]

yesss

[@vogman]

😁😁😁

[@ME10920]

I think she had real ones too! 😉

[@vect0rwolf]

Lab gems mean you get all the properties of mined gems minus any unethical labor practices typically done in most gem supply chains.

[@SaltyVet74]

A good Long Screw is ALWAYS the perfect tool to get the job done

[@whatthefunction9140]

How much is your electric bill 🤔

[@vogman]

The trick is not to look 😁

[@catnamestaken]

Cool

[@vogman]

Many thanks 😁

[@Spiderelectron]

Next week... LEDs to make the eyes glow ;-)

[@vogman]

I was thinking of lasers 😈😈😈😁😂🤣

[@hasger1941]

CZ's also work well and cost much less

[@vogman]

I've heard that. Maybe I could have a go at designing an engagement ring. Hmmm... 😁😁😁

[@hasger1941]

@@vogman Now that would be interesting 👍👍👍

[@vogman]

I might get banned from KZbin though 😂🤣😁

[@InitiallyJB]

Cz can’t handle the heat process of burnout

[@macdoctor4511]

@@InitiallyJB thats not true

[@CdoGtheGreat]

@ 1:32

[@vogman]

Yes, she's wearing a nice ruby ring 😉😁

[@zumbazumba1]

1:33 Honestly do you care they are not real? I dont . . .

[@vogman]

They're as real as I want them to be 😁😁😁

[@poornachandra3447]

26-01-2024 watched

[@vogman]

👍👍

[@creation5284]

[@vogman]

😁

[@Xerxsis717]

Hello VOG or anyone else who is trying this sort of thing out! As someone who works with Metal clay and has to subject gems to high heat regularly I can recommend this list www.cooltools.us/v/vspfiles/assets/images/Article-Gemstones_In_Metal_Clay.pdf Not sure if anyone else has shared this or anything like this but I hope it helps!

[@vogman]

Thanks for sharing that excellent resource 😁

[@Xerxsis717]

@@vogman Hope it helps. I know its not the same as the cast in place you're doing but hopefully its a place to start or get an idea